I don't get this movie. Who got the blame afterall? Was Matt Damon corrupted as well? Was the imam part of some C.I.A. scheme? Was George Clooney trying to warn the would be Emir?
This movie was the most difficult for me to understand. Usually I get them, but not this one.
The parts in the movie where the two kids are 'educated' by their master are really good. I mean it really shows how a charismatic leader can corrupt desperate youngsters.
I enjoyed watching this movie. I believe it showed why suicide bombers exist and do horrible things. I thought it was due to the fanatical part of the Muslim religion, but it is not! It is due to the financial difficulties that the poor Arabs go through, basically the son’s desperation of not being able to provide for their mothers and fathers. Their horrible actions are justified by the fanatical war mongrels of some Muslim sects which recruit them, and perpetuated by US oil foreign policy.
Please add: The Muslim sects are a reactionairy response to the marginalization of their political parties and views by dictators that are kept in power by Western oilmoney.
their opressors are subsidized and armed by mostlt western nations.
Example: Bahrein, Saudia Arabia, Yemen, the Kingdom of morocco and many more.
@chele5134 And what about america's fault in this? they are the cause of world's problems. They are the foundation of so-called terrorism and suicide-bombers. I assure u that.
Wrong dialogue. "Kis cheez ki chinta kar raha hai tu?" Chinta is a hindi word and the character was Pakistani. It should have been "Kis cheez ki fikar kar raha hai tu". These minor things may not matter much but show the research of the director.
I like this film - it shows sad and bitter truth in our political life. George Clooney always showed one and the same typical acting but Finally he looked great and not monotonous. But I still think that he didn't deserve the Oscar - just because he showed nice serious acting (for the first time by the way) doesn't mean that they should give him the Oscar. Academics and critics are as corrupted as politicians. Sad, very sad but I still love this film very much
@IraqiGirl707 lol what americans do, the british will do, so will the french, so will anyone who can do it. americans do this not because they are evil, but because they can.
@IraqiGirl707 terrorists have been around forever , and modern ones over a century. It's still ultimately a decision made by the scum to kill innocent lives for some kind of demented cause. America doesn't create the terror nor force (or lead) anyone into terrorism ... that dodges and pushes the blame in a cop out for those ultimately responsible.
This isn't a justification, but I think its unfair to place the moral impetus on terrorists alone. They are unquestionably emotionally fucked up people (jihadists to klansmen to IRA bombers.) But some condition has exacerbated their deficiency, and made it easier for them to find a path into terrorist culture (it takes a culture to indoctrinate them into it, educate them in executing it, and promising to tell their story.
I think of terrorism like the schoolyard -- when that screwed up no self-esteem kid is beaten and humiliated in front of the class, then when he's at his lowest, is kicked in the face.. you can't blame him alone for the extreme awful thing he does tot hat kid later.
I'm absolutely not excusing revenge.
I think the middle east, like China, has had a centuries long narrative running about Western incursion and humiliation (true or not.)
They have media access now, and can see all the peace and prosperity we have in the U.S., and they envy us for it. They look and see the poverty and self-destruction around them, and their leaders who let ti linger for their personal benefit, and they are consumed by the feeling of helplessness. They do the stupidest thing imaginable, but they do it like a sick cry for help.
I think the US Govt hasn't caught on that the world expects more from the US now.
We can see into life anywhere in the world now, so if your life is miserable, it makes you feel al the more deprived and desperate.
Not excusing them. Just saying, the U.S. is smart, and we should be waging a smarter conflict. If someone thinks they are in a corner, you can't win by pushing them further. If you know someone's limits, you can't blame them alone for their reaction when you break them. We don't live in the desperate dogmatic fog that a lot of the middle east does.
Am Irish-American-Catholic but I like Muslims/Arabs and Irish People.. You can't blame them for being pissed off at what US has done i.e oppressed, consumed natural resources in turn depriving Locals of Health, Education, Jobs & a Life. Also the americans start wars i.e Veitnman, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Kosovo together with supporting the serbs (mofos) against the Bosnians. The american foriegn policy provokes so called terrorism! TRUTH/FACT!!
@easynowww Not sure what blame you are referring too. Everyone everywhere has some group, some reason, and some scapegoat to blame or be pissed off at. That's just human nature. How many wars and conflicts do you think the US has stopped!? If you think I'm supporting or arguing for the continued intervention of American forces ... then no I'm not. I say screw them all and let them defend themselves for a change. Korea, Europe, and the lot. Let them foot the bill.
@easynowww Calling the US evil is not only immature, ignorant, and just a bit dramatic. Look at the US's compared to any other major power and lets just stack up the good versus the bad. All nations have their scars and mistakes. ... but I'll take the Americans record over any other. You can't label a nation entirely based on a single present decade of events. I'm guessing your perhaps at most a teenager and you're only history is the past few years.
The past decade? The last decade is not some aberration. Do you have any idea how many coups and military atrocities the US funded or approved just during the Cold War, for example? It's not a series of mistakes. Read _Killing Hope_.
@flagwatch Do you have any idea how many conflicts, civil wars, broader wars, regional wars, and even world wars the US has ended before they began? I probably hate the fact that the US has become the worlds police more than you, but for very different reasons. By the sheer presence of a Superpower upholding national and global trade interest, the worlds economy and population has received the greatest reprieve from war and conflict every known. And that's just 1 example.
@flagwatch The last decade is essentially an aberration , or more specifically part of a gradual blurring of national interest and political bungling after the collapse of the Soviets and leaving a hole for the MIC to fill. Add up all the WORST of the US mistakes and so called 'atrocities' and weigh that against all the BEST of their accomplishments, advantages, umbrella protection, standard of living, political examples, and economic models and you will find your comments more than petty
No. You didn't provide me any sources for this "conflict-ending" model.
The US hasn't started viewing itself as "police," nor did they just recently start intervening in other countries.
I feel like you don't know much of the history of US involvement in foreign conflicts and the activities of the CIA, but I suspect if you did, it wouldn't matter. You believe in the inherent goodness of the US, and so there's not much point asking you to have a more critical or objective view.
@easynowww Just for curiosity, please outline your American foreign policy if you were in charege. Tell me your strategy and reaction to some of the past centuries major events.
I'm Polish catholic and I agree with you. I/m not against the Muslims. I respect their religion. In Poland we have muslim Tatars. They were always loyal towards our nation . Not like the Jews. The Jews betrayed us in many critical moments :
- during Polish-bolshevics war in 1920 (many Jews supported bolshevics)
- during WWII - after Soviet invasion on Poland in September 1939 the Jews made many anti-Polish rebellions , they took part in Soviet terror against Polish civilians
@lonewulf44 America does, dont be so naive gullible, I can point thousands of reasons why america is the cause of so called terrorism.
Before america there was Peace within Muslim World, well more so then now...Before american's forieng policy and christian crusades Muslims lived in Peace even with non-muslims.
@easynowww Hmmmm, misinformed I guess. If analyzed enough, the method and madness of terrorism can be traced to just about anything. Singular blaming of the US is not only inaccurate but it's just a cop out. I can point to thousands of reasons and instances in which American forces, money, support, political moves, ect ect have squashed, demoralized, shut out, stopped or preempted terrorism as well. And what is the peace you speak of? Pre-1991? Pre-1918? Pre-2003? Not sure where you mean
i cried so much, this is the most touching scene ever. I just felt he's a victim, in a way. Can't forget how he hugged his father before to go. So touching.
Too true, I remember a couple years ago I had to do a current event thing for school and it was how some cubans attacked a Government building in Cuba and Fidel Castro asked for help and the US responded by saying the Cubans who attacked the building were not Terrorists they were rebels fighting against an oppresive government, I don't agree with communism either but its messed up how Our own Government dismisses Terrorism of foriegners who attack governments that it doesnt agree with.
Absolutely true , but the audacity / conceptual scope of the terrorists was at a certain scale. Today the sky's the limit. Al Queda has made numerous and possibly even successful attempts to acquire nuclear weapons materials. Unlike Hiroshima the destruction of say - Chicago or New York would cripple the entire world's economy due to the impact of computer systems problems to say nothing of the response to such an attack.
The most compelling case however is as this piece shows, in fact the terrorist themselves.
HOW BAD must corporatism have f*cked up, such that otherwise descent people decide to carry out such desperate acts. The point of this movie is NOT as some might suggest anti-US or whatever, but rather how can we be more generative & fair such that profits and power are less concentrated , such that societies can work their problems out with some degree of independence.
I wouldn't say violence NEVER solved anything, I think we prefer to believe that, but if that wasn't the case - We'd all be speaking German. The effects of a modern day use of WMD, like Hiroshima would certainly devastate any country.
The really sick thing is that Al Queda & Jamal Islamia have spent time and effort trying to acquire and religiously justify the use of such weapons.
the world tried to believe that violence wouldn't solve anything after the first world war. So the nations that had defeated germany slowly decreased the size of their military, and then they allowed germany to increase the size of their army, and then take back their lost territory, and then this continued until everyone realized that maybe violence was what was needed to stop the germans.
Appeasement was the embodiment of a delusion that violence wasn't needed
I used to buy the appeasement argument - hook line and sinker until I was researching British and German intelligence. If Chamberlain had not made the "Peace of Munich", England would have fought the "Battle of Britain" with biplanes and no radar, against the Stukka and HE-109, England would have lost handily and rapidly to Germany. Today, it's certainly possible to appease inappropriately, but to suggest that nations "must" go to war, I don't suspect it's ever really that easy.
I cried so much for him. I remember how he hugs his father before he goes to blow himself. It's sad and horrible and no one deserves to feel like it's something that must be done.
When you consider the desire to use ever increasingly large weapons on the part of terrorists , one can reasonably consider how terrorists using nuclear weapons on major metropolitan centers could cause major disruption of the systems we use to feed ourselves and what have you. Consider, what does civilization look like in an given November when logistics allows crops to be sent around the world from the US, & suddenly an EMP takes out most computers on North America how does the world get fed?
No doubt corporations do some very nasty things, there is no reasonable doubt that the average citizen is almost wholly unaware of what is going on abroad - let alone around the corner, an intentional/unintentional use of biological, informational or radiological weapons could throw back society 200 years, because of how interrelated the majority of the world is in terms of food production enhanced by oil, we literally eat oil disrupt that system & billions could die unintentionally.
issues in the world are linked to economy just look at Sudan.
lol the fact that 7% of it's oil goes to CHINA, AMericas enemy number one biggest USA wishes to starve CHINA of it oil source. First by controlling the CASPIAN (AFGHANISTAN), MIDDLE EAST (IRAQ) currently focussing on INDIA OCEAN (Trouble in PAKISTAN) and AFrica Sudan
You know, "discriminately" killing someone with a 2 ton bomb and taking out 20 other people shows less respect for their lives. At least the suicide bombers target people, care enough about them to actually target them. Collateral damage is just, oh well these are ants we walk down the street on. Irrelevant.
**Intentionally** seeking out to kill innocents regardless of age, nationality is a lot better than a millitary force seeking to target terrorists but in the process killing others **unintentionally**.
Well, I think it's fair to say that given the accusations, the indiscriminate nature with which we both, are capable of killing one another, that is underscores, just how badly we suck as a species.
We can barely lift our hands from each other's necks, let alone concern ourselves with our own significant defects.
What's the solution? I don't know, but I don't suspect that neither party will really enjoy the process or be satisfied with the outcome of an inevitable reconciliation.
You know it's possible to see the various sides of this equation. But in a way, all sides are disparate, and I'm not sure who's worse off, the junkie, incessantly needing that next fix, and trying to desperately cling to what they have, because they can't concieve of another way, or the despair that takes the promise of youth and throws it into violence, or the guy just trying to make a better life caught in the middle. In a way, they are all the same person, they are just in different places.
I don't think the color of ones skin has anything to do with it nor is it westerners alone it is pure greed and coruption which is to blame which effects anyone.
this was an amazing movie. idk how true any of this is but it really made me think about my country and what really goes on. you cant help but feel sorry for the young suicide bombers.
ok first of all these are characters in a movie that i am talking about. Not real people!!! second lets remember two wrongs dont make a right and hating those who hate you is not a good way to live. i feel sorry for poor people who are vulnerable and easily persuaded by others to kill themselves and innocent people. The suicide bombers are not the real enemy. the real enemy is the people who trained them.
The people who train them are the higher ranks within the terror groups. The only difference between them is that those people need to lead, therefore they cannot commit sucide despite the fact that they'd like to.
Second, a fair chunk of the world's population lives under poverty and subhuman conditions. Actually so many countries in the past have lived under oppression, subjugation and poverty, yet or some reason they didn't feel inclined to bomb innocents.
Yes, it may be quite difficult for many to understand suicide attackers. In some cases, it definitely is about strong religious believes of being rewarded in afterlife once they've gone through a systematic ideological formation, but in many cases the attackers perform the actions due to group pressure, extortion or hatred based on personal experience. Many courageous souls say "NO" to it after all and are killed by their own "fellows" in silence - those whom we never hear about.
Yes, it may be quite difficult for many to understand suicide attackers. In some cases, it definitely is about strong religious believes of being rewarded in afterlife once they've gone through a systematic ideological formation, but in many cases the attackers perform the actions due to group pressure, extortion or hatred based on personal experience. Many courageous souls say "NO" to it after all and are killed by their own "fellows" in silence - those whom we never hear about.
"Not really. Dude, he was carrying a stinger missile about to blow up a gigantic oil tanker. Diving into the water 50 feet away wouldn't save him. That explosion was going to be absolutely gigantic. That's why they don't show it, because there is no way to really show the destruction it would cause and so they do the ingenius thing and leave it to our imaginations."
He could have jumped and dived into the water then let the another guy ram the boat into the oil tanker. No sense in taking his own life for any reason. The only time it makes sense is if a buddy in war sees a grenade, he jumps on it to save his friends or a little girl with a bright red ball crosses the street then dive in time to save her from the Mack truck barrelling down the road, That I can understand.
Hey why have people marked this comment as bad? Ok, maybe the diving into the water idea is not necessarily feasible, but in essence you're right. This kind of attack is a pointless waste of human life.
The bigger point is that this kid's life was already being wasted by the U.S. and China and all their big companies screwing him and his family over. He turned to the one thing that would always be there for him, religion. And religion told him to do this. To us it appears like a waste of human life, but to him it's a way for him to not only do something meaningful both to him and his people, but it's a way for him to escape a life of disappointment and heartbreak at the same time.
He had a very clear vision of what his life was going to be like in the form of his father - that was what he was going to become. A defeated, aimless, witless, useless man who expects to fail and plays cricket in the ruins of his life - who can't even support his own wife and son. His birthright was stolen from him by forces so distant and so far outside his control it's ridiculous.
End of the day it was the right thing to do, if CIA can kill a man who just wants to help his country then why cant they destroy the oil tanker, to me its the right thing and no other alternative, if any suicide bombs are right then its definetly in this case, why let foriegn ppl who dont care about the natives take over the land and enjoy its resources. I rest my case.
End of the day it was the right thing to do, if CIA can kill a man who just wants to help his country then why cant they destroy the oil tanker, to me its the right thing and no other alternative, if any suicide bombs are right then its definetly in this case, why let foriegn ppl who dont care about the natives take over the land and enjoy its resources. I rest my case.
Not really. Dude, he was carrying a stinger missile about to blow up a gigantic oil tanker. Diving into the water 50 feet away wouldn't save him. That explosion was going to be absolutely gigantic. That's why they don't show it, because there is no way to really show the destruction it would cause and so they do the ingenius thing and leave it to our imaginations.
In another scene, you have to understand in Middle Eastern culture, the father and the son are tight. They talk everyday so for that to happen, he left his father for a martyrdom operation when he should have said no to suicide bombing, there are plenty of anothers who will do that. He should have been smart and said no and continue with his life, visiting his family, marry a beautiful woman, not the 72 virgins but marry a real life woman. Life and marriage is always much better.
The 72 virgins thing is a LIE! If that is true what does it make Islam and god look like? Sex hungry animals? we are not. Killing urself is ALWAYS wrong. You are right there is nothing in the world like that one beautiful person you love.
Your life is s**t and you hate it but there is no were to get out of it, then someone comes along and say there is a quick easy way out of it and its to paradise. That is why people do it, the idea is to not stop the terrorist but to stop places that are breeding grounds for terrorists. You can kill one guy but another will take his place, its like a bush fire instead of focusing on the fire you need to focus on one of the elements that create fire.
"He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell-fire, and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself, he shall keep stabbing himself in the Hell-fire." - Prophet Muhammad PBUH
That was a beautiful yet disturbing scene in that movie. I can't believe they will blow themselves up for that or anything for that matter. I like the silent dialogue between the two men. One is sure and the another is un-sure. Tragic and beautiful film, finally puts a name to the faces of those who die in martyrdom operations and how that works is frighteningly all too real.
fuck the terrorists? Palestinians as terrorists? The most oppressed under Jewish control. Your a very stupid person based off this response, clearly not a Muslim either. Your people also smell like shit, use deodorant
Rıght right --and your response is much better? I am a Muslim actually --a proud and practicing one. there is a clear difference between a Freedom figher (HAMAS and Hezbollah) and a terrorist (al qaeda and talıban etc).
u have no idea what the fuck youre ranting and complaining about. So I suggest you sit down and shut the fuck up ya GHAABY.
my people smell like shit? Lol --what a good Muslim you are by insulting other Muslims.
well said my friend, 'bloody hypocrite', maybe he thinks he's 'KeWLzz' maybe those Axe adverts in amerikhastan made him feel he will be 'KEWLZZZ" if he used Axe & Playboy deodrants, sad consumerism freak
Well put. This is definitely one of my favorite scenes from the movie. The last few moments are beautiful and serene, and give us a poignant insight into Wasim's thinking -- that his death is simply a passage into something profoundly wonderful.
It's a perverse thought, especially to an atheist such as myself, but that's irrelevant.
I have a hell of respect for the filmmakers for being able to do something like this.
This is one of my all time favorite movies because it's makers too off the gloves and dug deep into issues that many in our country will always opt to ignore or dismiss rather than address. This movie is not happy, it's not pretty, and it's not pro-American, but it forces our great country to take the good long look at ourselves that we'd simply rather not. Absolutely brilliant.
it shows how terrorists became terrorists??? No it shows how innocent kids are indoctrinated by cowards into doing their deeds. It would be better if they carried out their own attacks rather than use other vulnerable people.
uh the movie showed how the US with 5% of the worlds pop. is acting like its the shit with its spending of 50% of the worlds military budget. and what for? to get more and more oil and build an empire, like the ones built by europe 200 yrs ago...but whatever i accept your view too
I don't get this movie. Who got the blame afterall? Was Matt Damon corrupted as well? Was the imam part of some C.I.A. scheme? Was George Clooney trying to warn the would be Emir?
This movie was the most difficult for me to understand. Usually I get them, but not this one.
locknezmunster 3 weeks ago
The parts in the movie where the two kids are 'educated' by their master are really good. I mean it really shows how a charismatic leader can corrupt desperate youngsters.
MrGaluska 2 months ago
Poor, poor oil supertanker?
GodlessXVIII 3 months ago
@GodlessXVIII yeah because of that the oil price went up $0.1 .
aldaloo3 3 months ago
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Fuck all muslims. All they know is killing and blowing everuthing up.
God bless America, land of the free and home of the brave.
TheAmerican732 5 months ago
@TheAmerican732 have u even seen this movie??
Josh0473 5 months ago
@Josh0473 Yes I have, I saw it last week and it reeked of pretentiousness.
TheAmerican732 5 months ago
@TheAmerican732 Nice joke.
polufhmos 4 months ago
I enjoyed watching this movie. I believe it showed why suicide bombers exist and do horrible things. I thought it was due to the fanatical part of the Muslim religion, but it is not! It is due to the financial difficulties that the poor Arabs go through, basically the son’s desperation of not being able to provide for their mothers and fathers. Their horrible actions are justified by the fanatical war mongrels of some Muslim sects which recruit them, and perpetuated by US oil foreign policy.
chele5134 8 months ago
@chele5134
This is a very correct conclussion.
Please add: The Muslim sects are a reactionairy response to the marginalization of their political parties and views by dictators that are kept in power by Western oilmoney.
their opressors are subsidized and armed by mostlt western nations.
Example: Bahrein, Saudia Arabia, Yemen, the Kingdom of morocco and many more.
vriend1 8 months ago
@chele5134 And what about america's fault in this? they are the cause of world's problems. They are the foundation of so-called terrorism and suicide-bombers. I assure u that.
easynowww 7 months ago
The director should have included the explosion
zatara29 11 months ago
Wrong dialogue. "Kis cheez ki chinta kar raha hai tu?" Chinta is a hindi word and the character was Pakistani. It should have been "Kis cheez ki fikar kar raha hai tu". These minor things may not matter much but show the research of the director.
impersoify 1 year ago
I like this film - it shows sad and bitter truth in our political life. George Clooney always showed one and the same typical acting but Finally he looked great and not monotonous. But I still think that he didn't deserve the Oscar - just because he showed nice serious acting (for the first time by the way) doesn't mean that they should give him the Oscar. Academics and critics are as corrupted as politicians. Sad, very sad but I still love this film very much
Magnolia296 1 year ago
You know, I felt so sorry for these guys when I saw this movie.
ixat00 1 year ago
the worst part about this is not that he died..he died a virgin....
lol tht would have been funny if the driver was like "fuck this" and just jumps out
demarspeed199 1 year ago
this movie is a real fist in our stomach...and beautiful
AD49938 1 year ago
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This -- watch?v=lthLeWJPqOU&list=QL -- is my favorite clip of the director talking about the real economics of war in the middle east.
Such an awesome clip. He is really lucky to have met the people he did in researching for Syriana.
watch?v=lthLeWJPqOU&list=QL
crock703 1 year ago
This -- watch?v=lthLeWJPqOU&list=QL -- is my favorite clip of the director talking about the real economics of war in the middle east.
Such an awesome clip. He is really lucky to have met the people he did in researching for Syriana.
watch?v=lthLeWJPqOU&list=QL
crock703 1 year ago
WOW
jair555 1 year ago
This film shows how America is responsible for creating terror, it lead the Muslims to become terrorists
IraqiGirl707 1 year ago
@IraqiGirl707 lol what americans do, the british will do, so will the french, so will anyone who can do it. americans do this not because they are evil, but because they can.
tubebellator 1 year ago
@tubebellator so what !! you can do many things but you have to think about consequences of what you do, you do not live alone in this world !!
IraqiGirl707 1 year ago
@IraqiGirl707 terrorists have been around forever , and modern ones over a century. It's still ultimately a decision made by the scum to kill innocent lives for some kind of demented cause. America doesn't create the terror nor force (or lead) anyone into terrorism ... that dodges and pushes the blame in a cop out for those ultimately responsible.
lonewulf44 1 year ago
@lonewulf44
This isn't a justification, but I think its unfair to place the moral impetus on terrorists alone. They are unquestionably emotionally fucked up people (jihadists to klansmen to IRA bombers.) But some condition has exacerbated their deficiency, and made it easier for them to find a path into terrorist culture (it takes a culture to indoctrinate them into it, educate them in executing it, and promising to tell their story.
crock703 1 year ago
@lonewulf44
I think of terrorism like the schoolyard -- when that screwed up no self-esteem kid is beaten and humiliated in front of the class, then when he's at his lowest, is kicked in the face.. you can't blame him alone for the extreme awful thing he does tot hat kid later.
I'm absolutely not excusing revenge.
I think the middle east, like China, has had a centuries long narrative running about Western incursion and humiliation (true or not.)
crock703 1 year ago
@lonewulf44
They have media access now, and can see all the peace and prosperity we have in the U.S., and they envy us for it. They look and see the poverty and self-destruction around them, and their leaders who let ti linger for their personal benefit, and they are consumed by the feeling of helplessness. They do the stupidest thing imaginable, but they do it like a sick cry for help.
I think the US Govt hasn't caught on that the world expects more from the US now.
crock703 1 year ago
@lonewulf44
We can see into life anywhere in the world now, so if your life is miserable, it makes you feel al the more deprived and desperate.
Not excusing them. Just saying, the U.S. is smart, and we should be waging a smarter conflict. If someone thinks they are in a corner, you can't win by pushing them further. If you know someone's limits, you can't blame them alone for their reaction when you break them. We don't live in the desperate dogmatic fog that a lot of the middle east does.
crock703 1 year ago
U.S is "NOT" smart but evil!.
Am Irish-American-Catholic but I like Muslims/Arabs and Irish People.. You can't blame them for being pissed off at what US has done i.e oppressed, consumed natural resources in turn depriving Locals of Health, Education, Jobs & a Life. Also the americans start wars i.e Veitnman, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Kosovo together with supporting the serbs (mofos) against the Bosnians. The american foriegn policy provokes so called terrorism! TRUTH/FACT!!
easynowww 1 year ago
@easynowww Not sure what blame you are referring too. Everyone everywhere has some group, some reason, and some scapegoat to blame or be pissed off at. That's just human nature. How many wars and conflicts do you think the US has stopped!? If you think I'm supporting or arguing for the continued intervention of American forces ... then no I'm not. I say screw them all and let them defend themselves for a change. Korea, Europe, and the lot. Let them foot the bill.
lonewulf44 1 year ago
@easynowww Calling the US evil is not only immature, ignorant, and just a bit dramatic. Look at the US's compared to any other major power and lets just stack up the good versus the bad. All nations have their scars and mistakes. ... but I'll take the Americans record over any other. You can't label a nation entirely based on a single present decade of events. I'm guessing your perhaps at most a teenager and you're only history is the past few years.
lonewulf44 1 year ago
@lonewulf44
The past decade? The last decade is not some aberration. Do you have any idea how many coups and military atrocities the US funded or approved just during the Cold War, for example? It's not a series of mistakes. Read _Killing Hope_.
flagwatch 3 months ago
@flagwatch Do you have any idea how many conflicts, civil wars, broader wars, regional wars, and even world wars the US has ended before they began? I probably hate the fact that the US has become the worlds police more than you, but for very different reasons. By the sheer presence of a Superpower upholding national and global trade interest, the worlds economy and population has received the greatest reprieve from war and conflict every known. And that's just 1 example.
lonewulf44 3 months ago
@flagwatch The last decade is essentially an aberration , or more specifically part of a gradual blurring of national interest and political bungling after the collapse of the Soviets and leaving a hole for the MIC to fill. Add up all the WORST of the US mistakes and so called 'atrocities' and weigh that against all the BEST of their accomplishments, advantages, umbrella protection, standard of living, political examples, and economic models and you will find your comments more than petty
lonewulf44 3 months ago
@lonewulf44
No. You didn't provide me any sources for this "conflict-ending" model.
The US hasn't started viewing itself as "police," nor did they just recently start intervening in other countries.
I feel like you don't know much of the history of US involvement in foreign conflicts and the activities of the CIA, but I suspect if you did, it wouldn't matter. You believe in the inherent goodness of the US, and so there's not much point asking you to have a more critical or objective view.
flagwatch 3 months ago
@easynowww Just for curiosity, please outline your American foreign policy if you were in charege. Tell me your strategy and reaction to some of the past centuries major events.
lonewulf44 1 year ago
@easynowww
I'm Polish catholic and I agree with you. I/m not against the Muslims. I respect their religion. In Poland we have muslim Tatars. They were always loyal towards our nation . Not like the Jews. The Jews betrayed us in many critical moments :
- during Polish-bolshevics war in 1920 (many Jews supported bolshevics)
- during WWII - after Soviet invasion on Poland in September 1939 the Jews made many anti-Polish rebellions , they took part in Soviet terror against Polish civilians
inika17 7 months ago
@lonewulf44 America does, dont be so naive gullible, I can point thousands of reasons why america is the cause of so called terrorism.
Before america there was Peace within Muslim World, well more so then now...Before american's forieng policy and christian crusades Muslims lived in Peace even with non-muslims.
Am Irish-American-Catholic!
easynowww 1 year ago
@easynowww Hmmmm, misinformed I guess. If analyzed enough, the method and madness of terrorism can be traced to just about anything. Singular blaming of the US is not only inaccurate but it's just a cop out. I can point to thousands of reasons and instances in which American forces, money, support, political moves, ect ect have squashed, demoralized, shut out, stopped or preempted terrorism as well. And what is the peace you speak of? Pre-1991? Pre-1918? Pre-2003? Not sure where you mean
lonewulf44 1 year ago
i cried so much, this is the most touching scene ever. I just felt he's a victim, in a way. Can't forget how he hugged his father before to go. So touching.
DaniMontella 1 year ago
its also capitalism and socialism yeah this ending is just totally anarchist
mediattackrecords 1 year ago
religion is communism
yeah brutally sad ending
mediattackrecords 1 year ago
@mediattackrecords No it isn't. communism relies simply on materialism, while religion is more about spirituality.
zionismwillburn 1 year ago
Too true, I remember a couple years ago I had to do a current event thing for school and it was how some cubans attacked a Government building in Cuba and Fidel Castro asked for help and the US responded by saying the Cubans who attacked the building were not Terrorists they were rebels fighting against an oppresive government, I don't agree with communism either but its messed up how Our own Government dismisses Terrorism of foriegners who attack governments that it doesnt agree with.
Joreddog 2 years ago
The US killed Prince Nasir Al-Subaai, thus they destroy the US oil depot by using Wasim.
It is war. Pure and simple.
But the part where Wasim hugs his dad, and asked for a bus fare, makes me sad. Makes me remind me of my dad.
BaganJermal 2 years ago
yet another reason why humanity is doomed..its not just terrorism..the human inside us all is why we will all fail
nalum87 2 years ago
Yeah. I think that's something anyone from any culture or religion can appreciate. It's a very touching scene.
dantehoward 2 years ago
What we call terrorism and what we don't call terrorism all depends on the financial budget the attacks have.
BaileysBeads 2 years ago 6
So true.
Raford146 2 years ago
Absolutely true , but the audacity / conceptual scope of the terrorists was at a certain scale. Today the sky's the limit. Al Queda has made numerous and possibly even successful attempts to acquire nuclear weapons materials. Unlike Hiroshima the destruction of say - Chicago or New York would cripple the entire world's economy due to the impact of computer systems problems to say nothing of the response to such an attack.
proadmin1 2 years ago
The most compelling case however is as this piece shows, in fact the terrorist themselves.
HOW BAD must corporatism have f*cked up, such that otherwise descent people decide to carry out such desperate acts. The point of this movie is NOT as some might suggest anti-US or whatever, but rather how can we be more generative & fair such that profits and power are less concentrated , such that societies can work their problems out with some degree of independence.
proadmin1 2 years ago 4
yea I agree
violence never solves anything period
Hiroshima happened decades ago. NY or Chicago during that time period would not have been as bad for world economy. Again im against bloodshed
Japan today is very intergral part of World economics. Their stock exchanges are even more high tech than USA
mauiwowi 2 years ago
I wouldn't say violence NEVER solved anything, I think we prefer to believe that, but if that wasn't the case - We'd all be speaking German. The effects of a modern day use of WMD, like Hiroshima would certainly devastate any country.
The really sick thing is that Al Queda & Jamal Islamia have spent time and effort trying to acquire and religiously justify the use of such weapons.
proadmin1 2 years ago
unfortunately your right.
the world tried to believe that violence wouldn't solve anything after the first world war. So the nations that had defeated germany slowly decreased the size of their military, and then they allowed germany to increase the size of their army, and then take back their lost territory, and then this continued until everyone realized that maybe violence was what was needed to stop the germans.
Appeasement was the embodiment of a delusion that violence wasn't needed
benzinator11 2 years ago
I used to buy the appeasement argument - hook line and sinker until I was researching British and German intelligence. If Chamberlain had not made the "Peace of Munich", England would have fought the "Battle of Britain" with biplanes and no radar, against the Stukka and HE-109, England would have lost handily and rapidly to Germany. Today, it's certainly possible to appease inappropriately, but to suggest that nations "must" go to war, I don't suspect it's ever really that easy.
proadmin1 2 years ago
life usually does not have a happy ending unfortunately
torrent820 2 years ago
I cried so much for him. I remember how he hugs his father before he goes to blow himself. It's sad and horrible and no one deserves to feel like it's something that must be done.
DaniMontella 2 years ago 5
One of the best movie scenes ever.
rji 2 years ago 23
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One wonders if we'll make it.
proadmin1 2 years ago
oh god come on
xraidedlok 2 years ago
When you consider the desire to use ever increasingly large weapons on the part of terrorists , one can reasonably consider how terrorists using nuclear weapons on major metropolitan centers could cause major disruption of the systems we use to feed ourselves and what have you. Consider, what does civilization look like in an given November when logistics allows crops to be sent around the world from the US, & suddenly an EMP takes out most computers on North America how does the world get fed?
proadmin1 2 years ago
ever consider why so called " terrorists" are doing this?
ever think about USA being a violent Corporation, why other nations are trying to stop their economic influence
mauiwowi 2 years ago 4
No doubt corporations do some very nasty things, there is no reasonable doubt that the average citizen is almost wholly unaware of what is going on abroad - let alone around the corner, an intentional/unintentional use of biological, informational or radiological weapons could throw back society 200 years, because of how interrelated the majority of the world is in terms of food production enhanced by oil, we literally eat oil disrupt that system & billions could die unintentionally.
proadmin1 2 years ago
One of my favorite movies.
flycar817 2 years ago
what a scene..
s5lumr2 2 years ago 2
two ways
XIONASPROS 2 years ago
I love this movie.
intifada1989 2 years ago
issues in the world are linked to economy just look at Sudan.
lol the fact that 7% of it's oil goes to CHINA, AMericas enemy number one biggest USA wishes to starve CHINA of it oil source. First by controlling the CASPIAN (AFGHANISTAN), MIDDLE EAST (IRAQ) currently focussing on INDIA OCEAN (Trouble in PAKISTAN) and AFrica Sudan
ALANSARALHAQ 2 years ago
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GREAT MOVIE
fuck da C.I.A
gay assholes
(hindues nd jews nd gays) also included
SALWALAIKUM
ALLAH AKBAR
SexciiAsad 3 years ago
The movie is not pointing the fingers at anyone. It's showing how easily any human is corrupted.
Paktu196 3 years ago 26
very disturbing
Dylan237tyr5 3 years ago
the bad guys wins and it starts all over again, the bad guys are the white people in charge of our gov't
stage51manager 3 years ago
Preach it bro!
It's westerners who are to blame.
Suicide bombers who kill indescriminantly are the innocents!
*shakes head*
regelemihai 3 years ago 2
You know, "discriminately" killing someone with a 2 ton bomb and taking out 20 other people shows less respect for their lives. At least the suicide bombers target people, care enough about them to actually target them. Collateral damage is just, oh well these are ants we walk down the street on. Irrelevant.
TERRAN1212 3 years ago
Oh of course, makes sense.
**Intentionally** seeking out to kill innocents regardless of age, nationality is a lot better than a millitary force seeking to target terrorists but in the process killing others **unintentionally**.
Thank you for clarifying it :)
regelemihai 3 years ago
Well, I think it's fair to say that given the accusations, the indiscriminate nature with which we both, are capable of killing one another, that is underscores, just how badly we suck as a species.
We can barely lift our hands from each other's necks, let alone concern ourselves with our own significant defects.
What's the solution? I don't know, but I don't suspect that neither party will really enjoy the process or be satisfied with the outcome of an inevitable reconciliation.
proadmin1 3 years ago
You know it's possible to see the various sides of this equation. But in a way, all sides are disparate, and I'm not sure who's worse off, the junkie, incessantly needing that next fix, and trying to desperately cling to what they have, because they can't concieve of another way, or the despair that takes the promise of youth and throws it into violence, or the guy just trying to make a better life caught in the middle. In a way, they are all the same person, they are just in different places.
proadmin1 3 years ago
I don't think the color of ones skin has anything to do with it nor is it westerners alone it is pure greed and coruption which is to blame which effects anyone.
Every1hatesU 3 years ago 3
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Nobody like the arabs, neither in America or Iran
siahdell 3 years ago
like we care !!!!!!!!!
lo0lo0007 3 years ago
this was an amazing movie. idk how true any of this is but it really made me think about my country and what really goes on. you cant help but feel sorry for the young suicide bombers.
sabroo 3 years ago
you feel bad for people that hate you and would kill you without mercy, you dumb american
surdeamrca 3 years ago
ok first of all these are characters in a movie that i am talking about. Not real people!!! second lets remember two wrongs dont make a right and hating those who hate you is not a good way to live. i feel sorry for poor people who are vulnerable and easily persuaded by others to kill themselves and innocent people. The suicide bombers are not the real enemy. the real enemy is the people who trained them.
sabroo 3 years ago
The people who train them are the higher ranks within the terror groups. The only difference between them is that those people need to lead, therefore they cannot commit sucide despite the fact that they'd like to.
Second, a fair chunk of the world's population lives under poverty and subhuman conditions. Actually so many countries in the past have lived under oppression, subjugation and poverty, yet or some reason they didn't feel inclined to bomb innocents.
Hmmm...
regelemihai 3 years ago
this part was it for me, i felt kinda depressed about everything after that.
tharbk01 3 years ago
Oppress a people. This is what you get.
SMH
2buscuits 3 years ago
I cried.
DaniMontella 3 years ago
Yes, it may be quite difficult for many to understand suicide attackers. In some cases, it definitely is about strong religious believes of being rewarded in afterlife once they've gone through a systematic ideological formation, but in many cases the attackers perform the actions due to group pressure, extortion or hatred based on personal experience. Many courageous souls say "NO" to it after all and are killed by their own "fellows" in silence - those whom we never hear about.
Tavoous 3 years ago
To them its an honor to die, Most will never understand.
DukeMontana 3 years ago
Yes, it may be quite difficult for many to understand suicide attackers. In some cases, it definitely is about strong religious believes of being rewarded in afterlife once they've gone through a systematic ideological formation, but in many cases the attackers perform the actions due to group pressure, extortion or hatred based on personal experience. Many courageous souls say "NO" to it after all and are killed by their own "fellows" in silence - those whom we never hear about.
Tavoous 3 years ago
you should watch the interview with the director on charlierose's channel, its very interesting.
historywillabsolve 3 years ago
"Not really. Dude, he was carrying a stinger missile about to blow up a gigantic oil tanker. Diving into the water 50 feet away wouldn't save him. That explosion was going to be absolutely gigantic. That's why they don't show it, because there is no way to really show the destruction it would cause and so they do the ingenius thing and leave it to our imaginations."
Its an LNG tanker not an oil tanker.....
kev0331 3 years ago
Powerful clip but you shouldn't have cut it off so abruptly.
moozeditty 3 years ago
based definetely on the limburg tanker attack
orsheed 3 years ago
Wish they would have shown the after picture, when it was blown to shit.
tylerdurden246 4 years ago 2
For some reason I can;t play this video
Afonsos91 4 years ago
cool
griffon502 4 years ago
He could have jumped and dived into the water then let the another guy ram the boat into the oil tanker. No sense in taking his own life for any reason. The only time it makes sense is if a buddy in war sees a grenade, he jumps on it to save his friends or a little girl with a bright red ball crosses the street then dive in time to save her from the Mack truck barrelling down the road, That I can understand.
Heath1940 4 years ago
Hey why have people marked this comment as bad? Ok, maybe the diving into the water idea is not necessarily feasible, but in essence you're right. This kind of attack is a pointless waste of human life.
EthirielEarendilien 3 years ago
The bigger point is that this kid's life was already being wasted by the U.S. and China and all their big companies screwing him and his family over. He turned to the one thing that would always be there for him, religion. And religion told him to do this. To us it appears like a waste of human life, but to him it's a way for him to not only do something meaningful both to him and his people, but it's a way for him to escape a life of disappointment and heartbreak at the same time.
dwilliams02 3 years ago 5
He had a very clear vision of what his life was going to be like in the form of his father - that was what he was going to become. A defeated, aimless, witless, useless man who expects to fail and plays cricket in the ruins of his life - who can't even support his own wife and son. His birthright was stolen from him by forces so distant and so far outside his control it's ridiculous.
unsightly 3 years ago 5
Well said. Brilliantly said.
dwilliams02 3 years ago
End of the day it was the right thing to do, if CIA can kill a man who just wants to help his country then why cant they destroy the oil tanker, to me its the right thing and no other alternative, if any suicide bombs are right then its definetly in this case, why let foriegn ppl who dont care about the natives take over the land and enjoy its resources. I rest my case.
easynowww 3 years ago
Well said. But suicide never can be justified.
Buy suicide bombs we showing that we're not better than they are.
adaikzman 3 years ago
End of the day it was the right thing to do, if CIA can kill a man who just wants to help his country then why cant they destroy the oil tanker, to me its the right thing and no other alternative, if any suicide bombs are right then its definetly in this case, why let foriegn ppl who dont care about the natives take over the land and enjoy its resources. I rest my case.
easynowww 3 years ago
Very well said my friend.
2buscuits 3 years ago
Not really. Dude, he was carrying a stinger missile about to blow up a gigantic oil tanker. Diving into the water 50 feet away wouldn't save him. That explosion was going to be absolutely gigantic. That's why they don't show it, because there is no way to really show the destruction it would cause and so they do the ingenius thing and leave it to our imaginations.
dwilliams02 3 years ago
In another scene, you have to understand in Middle Eastern culture, the father and the son are tight. They talk everyday so for that to happen, he left his father for a martyrdom operation when he should have said no to suicide bombing, there are plenty of anothers who will do that. He should have been smart and said no and continue with his life, visiting his family, marry a beautiful woman, not the 72 virgins but marry a real life woman. Life and marriage is always much better.
Heath1940 4 years ago
The 72 virgins thing is a LIE! If that is true what does it make Islam and god look like? Sex hungry animals? we are not. Killing urself is ALWAYS wrong. You are right there is nothing in the world like that one beautiful person you love.
xStryfx 4 years ago 2
Your life is s**t and you hate it but there is no were to get out of it, then someone comes along and say there is a quick easy way out of it and its to paradise. That is why people do it, the idea is to not stop the terrorist but to stop places that are breeding grounds for terrorists. You can kill one guy but another will take his place, its like a bush fire instead of focusing on the fire you need to focus on one of the elements that create fire.
randomusernamemygod 4 years ago
The only way I see is to educate them about suicide through an Islamic perspective. It is strictly prohibited.
"And do not kill yourselves..." - Quran (4:29)
"He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell-fire, and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself, he shall keep stabbing himself in the Hell-fire." - Prophet Muhammad PBUH
PakistaniMetalhead 4 years ago 2
That was a beautiful yet disturbing scene in that movie. I can't believe they will blow themselves up for that or anything for that matter. I like the silent dialogue between the two men. One is sure and the another is un-sure. Tragic and beautiful film, finally puts a name to the faces of those who die in martyrdom operations and how that works is frighteningly all too real.
Heath1940 4 years ago 5
I just watched this movie myself I thought the choreaography was just beautiful, I loved how they shot a lot of the scenes.
marmaloon 4 years ago 3
That's cinematography. Choreography is dancing. :)
roderickgreene 4 years ago 2
im pakistani, and this is the sad truth...that these people think what they do is pure and honourable....when in fact its not
take pakistan for example --we are peaceful prosperous nation but we are victims of terrorism by brain washed fanatics
fuck the terrorists...Musharraf zindabad! Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt Zindabad!
aa2398a 4 years ago 3
fuck the terrorists? Palestinians as terrorists? The most oppressed under Jewish control. Your a very stupid person based off this response, clearly not a Muslim either. Your people also smell like shit, use deodorant
bashartayeb 4 years ago
Rıght right --and your response is much better? I am a Muslim actually --a proud and practicing one. there is a clear difference between a Freedom figher (HAMAS and Hezbollah) and a terrorist (al qaeda and talıban etc).
u have no idea what the fuck youre ranting and complaining about. So I suggest you sit down and shut the fuck up ya GHAABY.
my people smell like shit? Lol --what a good Muslim you are by insulting other Muslims.
Bloody hypocrite
aa2398a 4 years ago 5
well said my friend, 'bloody hypocrite', maybe he thinks he's 'KeWLzz' maybe those Axe adverts in amerikhastan made him feel he will be 'KEWLZZZ" if he used Axe & Playboy deodrants, sad consumerism freak
PakistaniMetalhead 4 years ago
Movies like this were created to remind us that we are all humans. Please remember that, and try to forgive one another for our ignorance.
moozeditty 3 years ago 4
Bloody Hypocrite? What are you British now? IDIOT
Don't you dare state that Palestinians are terrorists you foolish moron. Haven't you been watching news?
bashartayeb 4 years ago
where did i say Falasteeny are terrorists? Are u drunk???
In fact, I wrote "Palestine Zindabad"////and in Urdu language that means 'long live Palestine
I am on your side, so please stop complaining
aa2398a 4 years ago
The news??? lol...Now who is the moron???
2buscuits 3 years ago
Well said..
ebiekem 3 years ago
It was a great movie...
skgremio 4 years ago 3
Well put. This is definitely one of my favorite scenes from the movie. The last few moments are beautiful and serene, and give us a poignant insight into Wasim's thinking -- that his death is simply a passage into something profoundly wonderful.
It's a perverse thought, especially to an atheist such as myself, but that's irrelevant.
I have a hell of respect for the filmmakers for being able to do something like this.
lepainiac 4 years ago 5
Finished it today. Great stuff.
CERNOBE 4 years ago 2
This is one of my all time favorite movies because it's makers too off the gloves and dug deep into issues that many in our country will always opt to ignore or dismiss rather than address. This movie is not happy, it's not pretty, and it's not pro-American, but it forces our great country to take the good long look at ourselves that we'd simply rather not. Absolutely brilliant.
Catamount1412 4 years ago
EH Panjabi ve urdu bool kurda hai!
kesh2212 4 years ago
the most people can´t understand this film , they are too stupid.
arberkusari 4 years ago
LOL.
HumIntOps 4 years ago
The two statements aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, but I'm glad you got that out of your system, Mr. Zoo.
googlyeyedwalnut 4 years ago
it shows how terrorists became terrorists??? No it shows how innocent kids are indoctrinated by cowards into doing their deeds. It would be better if they carried out their own attacks rather than use other vulnerable people.
Zoo1212 4 years ago
it also shows how the U.S wants to globalise the world at all costs. do you have tunnel vision?
Jozzdozz 4 years ago
uh the movie showed how the US with 5% of the worlds pop. is acting like its the shit with its spending of 50% of the worlds military budget. and what for? to get more and more oil and build an empire, like the ones built by europe 200 yrs ago...but whatever i accept your view too
himynameisduh 4 years ago 2
this is a good show it shows how terrorists become terrorists
weaponsargent 4 years ago
A very deep movie...
ggthe1 4 years ago
i love the way this movie is filmed
RamboNorris 5 years ago