The fact that some dumb adults encouraged kids to act out in satanic ritual has nothing to do with the evidence or lack thereof of DID.
There have been MDs that worked with trauma victims who claim the syndrome does exist but the patients tend to be easier to fuse back together -- altho they also tend to fly apart again. The boundaries of awareness is also not as sharp. Less dramatic than the film.
IIRC there was a scene where Sybil is aware of her hypnosis sessions unbeknownst to Wilbur.
I don't think that anyone should be making assumptions about this unless they are an expert, either these commenters or this woman if she doesn't have a degree. I'm almost positive MPD exists, and so Sybil's case was either real or exaggerated. I think this lady, however, is just contradicting to contradict and so I cannot believe her. It seems as though she thinks that anything that dramatic has to be a scandal, but that's not always the case.
This woman talking is an ass. I've seen multiple personalities. It's real. I believe and shrinks are full of shit. They don't get it. They just want to create more people on their drugs believing their crap. And it is crap.
One of the things Nathan does in her book is to discount all of the abuses Sybil endured as a child. She admits that Sybil's mother was odd, strange, "funny", "nervous", manic. She would get "the blues" so bad she would become mute and motionless for long periods. She was smothering and overprotective; she repeated the ends of sentences and "mimiced" neighbors and tossed off rhymes and lines from poetry. She was "a little strange, but nice." NICE? She sounded fucking nuts! Nathan is a crock.
not to mention this fucking lady doesnt hold any degree in any field of medicine or any related subjects , so take this with a grain of salt like she said about doctors talking about pyschology, cause she apprently is talking out of her ass.
wow so they made this up so cause woman were beginning to have roles in society, workplace ect..? Yeah riiiiight. Also this fucking lady just sits in front of a camera and says this and that without and shred of evidence, but wait BUY my book and you can find out too! So basically you are looking for money....BITCH
I would believe the sybil story over this womans excuse anyday. People deal with things as a child in many different ways. Back then you were told to shut up. Some to the point they were given to extreme abuse at the hands of those who were suppose to be nurturing and careing. A young mind will do what it has to, To survive. If they survive at all.
Maybe the reason why Dr. Wilbur went down this road for "fame and glory" was because she wanted to make a name for herself, as being a recognized female in, at the time, an all-male profession?
i think its this psychiatrist that wants the attention,,after all back in those days it was hardly heard of why would a pqychiatrist spend her time in a time when it wasnt recognised,when she neevr gained anything from it,,,it can happen,a man suffering from it said so,and he didnt have the same dr.,
This Nathan women is a total goof. Why would anyone take her word for what she presents? It's all lazy, b.s. opinion. The dorky write-up at the top explaining this video says that Nathan offers "...examination and proof..." regarding the 'Sybil' case. Of course, there's none. This 'interview offers no insights into the 'Sybil' case, but shows us all we need to know about Nathan. She's kind of stupid...
This is a load of bunk! Growing up in a time when people would go into 'denial' about child abuse and there was no authority to turn to, does not mean it didn't happen. I HAD (witnessed) friends that were abused to the point where they showed signs of multiple personalities. Why weren't sex offenders recognized up until the 60's?
Unless you've been through it, don't talk like the expert you AREN'T!!
@independentMomma1 - correction: I had friends that were beaten and sexually abused, ONE that demonstrated multiple personalities and yes.. she was TERRIBLY abused!
Yes, But science can prove that you can't have "seven hearts, or three lungs." But science CANNOT prove if you have D.I.D. Well, anyway I believe that The sybil case is true. Try reading the book. Then respond thanks
I'm a psychologist, so I'm not much into popular novels. I am far more interested in published research.
Also, that science can not prove you have a disorder is pretty good proof you either don't have it or that the order does not exist; most disorders being rather easy to substantiate.
And its nice that you believe the disorder exists. Irrelevant, but nice.
Tell you what; if you can prove the disorder exists, have at it. I'm listening.
People who make multiple personalites where placed on hardcore trama or tourte that they have to make a personality that shields her of the tormented girl. I read alot of experimentes that the goverment did to children well the end resolt was another personality as well as an abused child.
I agree with others. What is this woman's agenda? Maybe she has something to gain by trying to shore up the "False Memory Syndrome Foundation" pedophiles' claims that children don't remember abuse and the abuse never happened anyway. And if they remember it, they're "just making up stories."
This women as no clue... DID is a way of coping with abuse and pain and those that have it are not looking for attention in fact they live a private life and don't keep friends or long relationships because they don't want to be found out...
Debbie Nathan's book is not objective and is very biased; she definitely has an agenda. She absolutely loathes Connie Wilbur and Flora Schrieber and Shirley Mason and blames them for "Satanic panic" and false memory syndrome and all manner of psychiatric abuses that never would have happened if they hadn't "cooked up" their outlandish fake story of horrific child abuse and the splitting of a young woman's psyche into 16 different personaliters. Nathan's book is trashy; I wouldn't recommend it.
@beautifulmind546 "Satanic panic" was a phenomenon of the eighties. It was then that groups of children, mostly urged on by adults, accused day care providers and sometimes their own relatives of committing horrific satanic ritual abuse on them. It was kind of a mass hysteria, like what happened in Salem, Mass. Anyway, none of the accusations were proven or substantiated in any way, but many people were imprisoned anyway. The majority of them have since been exonerated.
I agree that it is interesting that this book appears after the principles have died. Dr. Wilbur, Sybil and the writer that co wrote the book with Dr. Wilbur. I believe that its some sort of effort to discredit the reality of both the severity of child abuse and its horrendous and devastating aftermath.
MPD is not agreed upon by the entire psychiatric community. When Sybil was diagnosed, there still wasn't a lot of scholarship on the subject matter. This book doesn't explain Sybil's blackouts and the fact that so much of her memories (from childhood) were missing from the core personality.
You are assuming is that memories can be "missing", that Sybil had "blackouts", and that there is such a thing as a "core personality."
Memories can not go "missing"; blackouts are based on self-report which may not be accurate, and a "core personality" is a concept with no scientific basis.
@Waltham1892 Maybe you are the one associated with FMSF and the pedophile Ralph Underwager? There is biological evidence of repressed memories. Time to expose all of the pedophiles and abusers and move on.
Yes, its a massive consipracy. You are onto us. The voices in your head are right.
Really, I'm a clinican who has done research and taught psychology at the University level.
MPD/DID is a dodge employed by Borderline Personalities to look complex and interesting so clinicians will treat them.
On the clincians side, DID is the a way to make very standard work interesting and important. Its also a way clinicans who haven't bothered to learn the science can fake being relevant.
@Waltham1892 - My theory is people who have drifted into the field of psychiatry were all attracted to the topic in the first place trying to find answers to their own psychological disorders, namely all with narcissistic & psychopathic tendency's it seems they chose their profession as an easy way to find new victims.
& When "Professionals" like you use phrases like "The voices in your head are right" it always helps prove me right
@IronicallyVague - That is of course if you aren't just another zit faced half-wit Youtube troll who lies out of his ass with every breath he takes as you're IQ seems somewhat low to even be teaching Paper Mache techniques much less Psychology
The research shows that individuals who go into mental health tend to be those who utilized mental health services in the past.
However, I don't know if that applies to psychiatry, which is more a branch of medicine.
That being said, Psychiatrists are more focused on the mechanics of the brain than the processes of cognition, which, in my experience, they don't understand very well.
This leaves them prone to make mistakes when talking outside their field.
@Waltham1892 - Yes & by pointing out my attempt at misdirection you've proved to me at least you are what you say you are, Thank you
I see nothing wrong at all with using jokes on the topic of mental health as even patients need to laugh at themselves as we all need to do in the tribulations of life but not as an insult from someone pretending to care about you.
I do care about the patients I've seen. I don't care about them as a parent would a child or a family member would another family member. But, you spend time working closely with someone and you can't help caring about them as human beings.
That being said, I've never cared about a patient enough to not confront a delusion or buy into a delusional belief system.
That’s were you go off the rails into MPD/DID/SRA land.
@Waltham1892 - Yes I did over react somewhat & I'm certain what you said in your reply is very true about your personal values & professionalism.
As for this DID I can't say I know enough on the topic as anyone else but it seems to me most members of society tends to not believe ANY psychiatric condition unless it also happens to them as well and also that if there isn't such a thing as DID (although overly diagnosed ) then regardless there is something very very wrong with them
I have the opposite view, people tend to view any diagnosis as valid because a professional made it and there is a book that says the disorder exists.
It never occurs to people that "professional" does not mean "infallible" and "because the book says it" does not means that the book is correct.
The DSM is a book written by a committee, that should be a red flag…
@Waltham1892 - If you would have said that the DSM isn't %100 correct I would agree, & that they're influenced by a rather large income from pharmaceutical company's is also true, or that after reading some of the new illnesses they dream up it's a small wonder they aren't arrested & asked to leave the country..
But to fair they do blunder across small tidbits of truth once in while, that & they spelled their own names correctly & this Sybil person is in fact suffering.
Ralph Underwager, the founder of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation was a known pedophile. There is now biological evidence of repressed memory. Children are abused, sexually molested, tortured and killed all of the time. Children who survive such trauma often develope dissociative identity disorder as a means to cope with the abuse and the pain. Who is Debbie Nathan and what is her agenda?
@Waltham1892 Psychiatry is unscientific and harmful. Psychology is a different entity. Really what would be the agenda of a woman discrediting people who have histories of extreme abuse? I would bet with a little digging Debbie Nathan would have connections with FMSF.
If she herself is not a psychoanalyst then how can she even begin to pick apart the diagnosis of Dr. C. Wilbur? She is "researching" facts that she does not truly understand. Also her use of the word "sexy" at the end is distasteful. The accusation that the book was invented and sold under the idea that the story is sexually sensationalised, is repulsive. The reality is that it chronicles the emotional trauma of a severely sexually assaulted woman, regardless of her questions over diagnosis
I must say wish I had not spent the money for a hard copy. I wanted to sit at my own pace though with the Notes, Acknowledgements and Biblio, all the John Jay Paper citing s. This is a lot of pieced together,long known facts to make it a sensationalized story that promotes the Authors agenda, false memory syndrome, sex and scandalous, the vary accusations levied at the women involved with "Sybil" Ms Nathan applies in the book.
Another junk book.Wonder why no one did a book before these two ladies passed away.Real easy to attack people who cannot defend themselves.More junk journalism.Seem friends saw a different Shirley Ardell Mason then this junk journalist take on what happened.
On the radio, however, this writer does NOT say that there is *no* such thing as MPD/DID. She says You really have to look and check, recheck, do research, and really make sure of your diagnosis. it's not *that* simple... and there ARE attention seeking people who will lie even if they are wasting time, energy, money & other's emotions even.
I heard her on the radio *today* speaking about this book and her research. It really makes you realize that when a professional relationship gets muddled with "friendship" and other deeper type of relationship feelings, etc. the lines become SO fuzzy. But also this writer had done SO much research that you see how the writer of the BOOK hadn't done HER research to see if "Sybil" was telling the truth, so when she found she hadn't, couldn't change what was written. OOPSY POOPSY!
I so sorry. Not nice to talk about people who have troubles - I know. Sometimes, people have to talk so that they don't make mistakes and judge people when they don't know what they are talking about. So, people do talk and hope that they be nice and listen to reason and decide to be gentle and kind. Maybe, you should not come here no more. You stay safe. okay?
You say that she live in her fantasiworld and often was ill as a child. A lot of sexualy abused childreen escape to the fantasyworld, to come away from the reality. Regardless what someone does to your fysical body or what people say around, you can always escape to your inner universe, its like a teddybear, but more efektiv.
I dont know much about Sybil, but like you say the brain create other person ho can do things you cant. Isnt it great?
I was wrong - the book is just plain boring - a retelling of her idea of how three women got together and made the whole thing up to sell books - well, not exactly - but pretty much that boring.
then, she goes into the whole pov that the book 'caused' all these women of the time to go out and report child abuse that never happened so to get therapist attention and a diagnosis of DID. Silly - yeah - but, she somewhat pulls it off - just like she says here - blah
Nathan rummaged through reams of therapist's notes - which were sealed - she has them unsealed - digs out the most titillating stories - to retell for the entire world to read - a retelling of each - in a tone where her voice sounds almost 'excited'. creepy, intrusive, sick. Her point - that every survivor with DID goes to t, recounts similar sexually charged stories - encouraged by the t - who helps them 'make personalities'. Mason? OMG - how very sad.
I wonder who protects Ms. Mason's estate....it seems very creepy to see pictures of her floating out there saying she is basically a liar for attention...
I wonder who protects Ms. Mason's estate....it seems very creepy to see pictures of her floating out there saying she is basically a liar for attention...
eww, more to chew on - sexy... lol. Didn't know that Sybil could be considered 'sexy' - *shrugs shoulders*? I think that the whole dissociative identity disorder thing may be way above this authors head. I wonder if she has 'any' credentials at all. Surely none in the area of psychology. She hasn't a clue - looking for the quick buck - I think.
I am thinking so - she is a journalist. I read on her facebook that she has worked with the false memory syndrome foundation before during some kind of retreat at Playboy Magazine. She evidently is trying to convince the public that there is 'no such thing' as multiple personality disorder by poking fun at multiples and those who believe that abuse can cause it. I dunno - I am the dumb public - I guess. But I KNOW DID is valid - and therapist cannot implant memories!!!!!!
this is insulting to women...that people bought this story because women wanted to believe that they could split to do whatever they needed to do? take science with a grain of salt? wow, this sounds like false memory foundation crap, is she connected to them?
OMG, are you kidding me? Trash Sybil, her diagnosis, and Dr. Wilbur - and 'hopefully' persuade 'you' that child abuse is nil - DID isn't well documented and researched (see DSMIV), and that millions of survivors are not struggling daily. Maybe, create enough 'doubt' that it will all just go away - really? No more abuse, no more DID, gone. hmmm I don't buy it - and I did read this book. Read with a 'grain of salt'.
I agree. I have seen the book. More dribble of what I just watched. Poorly written - pure speculation based on the writer's obvious ignorance of not only the facts of the ppl she is discrediting, including not only those revolving around the book but also, all ppl with dx of and mental health professionals who treat, research, etc. dissociative identity disorder. She jumps beyond cashing in on the death of a fine therapist to generalizing her fantasies to an entire population. Why?
DO NOT buy this crap. Once again here is someine ironically TRYING to create a bestseller. And can't do it any other way besides jumping on someone else's work and invalidating someone's experience. This is just sick and sad. She said herself, the book sold like crazy, so she thought writing something to discredit it would sell just as much. Very sad you have to attack others to do it! Women don't have to "create" a dissociative disorder for the reasons you stated anymore. MAYBE some women were
Sexy? Did I miss something? Since when is a child being abused sexy?
MrMap4921 1 day ago
whomever this "person" is she needs to spend a few days with me..........smfh
madimielLVX 3 days ago
@madimielLVX and the fact is MPD and DID do exist although i will say they can be one in the same or very different.
madimielLVX 3 days ago
The fact that some dumb adults encouraged kids to act out in satanic ritual has nothing to do with the evidence or lack thereof of DID.
There have been MDs that worked with trauma victims who claim the syndrome does exist but the patients tend to be easier to fuse back together -- altho they also tend to fly apart again. The boundaries of awareness is also not as sharp. Less dramatic than the film.
IIRC there was a scene where Sybil is aware of her hypnosis sessions unbeknownst to Wilbur.
puckf17 6 days ago
I don't think that anyone should be making assumptions about this unless they are an expert, either these commenters or this woman if she doesn't have a degree. I'm almost positive MPD exists, and so Sybil's case was either real or exaggerated. I think this lady, however, is just contradicting to contradict and so I cannot believe her. It seems as though she thinks that anything that dramatic has to be a scandal, but that's not always the case.
Heatherstripe22 6 days ago
bullshit i dont think that she was faking at all i hate how people try to make sense of this shit the brain is a complicated thing!
LostLambFanVideos 1 week ago
This woman talking is an ass. I've seen multiple personalities. It's real. I believe and shrinks are full of shit. They don't get it. They just want to create more people on their drugs believing their crap. And it is crap.
wendyverdades 1 week ago
One of the things Nathan does in her book is to discount all of the abuses Sybil endured as a child. She admits that Sybil's mother was odd, strange, "funny", "nervous", manic. She would get "the blues" so bad she would become mute and motionless for long periods. She was smothering and overprotective; she repeated the ends of sentences and "mimiced" neighbors and tossed off rhymes and lines from poetry. She was "a little strange, but nice." NICE? She sounded fucking nuts! Nathan is a crock.
cynthiacher 2 weeks ago
not to mention this fucking lady doesnt hold any degree in any field of medicine or any related subjects , so take this with a grain of salt like she said about doctors talking about pyschology, cause she apprently is talking out of her ass.
defcon5iveeee 2 weeks ago
wow so they made this up so cause woman were beginning to have roles in society, workplace ect..? Yeah riiiiight. Also this fucking lady just sits in front of a camera and says this and that without and shred of evidence, but wait BUY my book and you can find out too! So basically you are looking for money....BITCH
defcon5iveeee 2 weeks ago
I would believe the sybil story over this womans excuse anyday. People deal with things as a child in many different ways. Back then you were told to shut up. Some to the point they were given to extreme abuse at the hands of those who were suppose to be nurturing and careing. A young mind will do what it has to, To survive. If they survive at all.
ProffessorT 2 weeks ago
Maybe the reason why Dr. Wilbur went down this road for "fame and glory" was because she wanted to make a name for herself, as being a recognized female in, at the time, an all-male profession?
wade43671 2 weeks ago
i think its this psychiatrist that wants the attention,,after all back in those days it was hardly heard of why would a pqychiatrist spend her time in a time when it wasnt recognised,when she neevr gained anything from it,,,it can happen,a man suffering from it said so,and he didnt have the same dr.,
lynnej1970 3 weeks ago
@lynnej1970 look up mk ultra thats a fact too..
lynnej1970 3 weeks ago
This Nathan women is a total goof. Why would anyone take her word for what she presents? It's all lazy, b.s. opinion. The dorky write-up at the top explaining this video says that Nathan offers "...examination and proof..." regarding the 'Sybil' case. Of course, there's none. This 'interview offers no insights into the 'Sybil' case, but shows us all we need to know about Nathan. She's kind of stupid...
andersoncouncilpf 3 weeks ago 2
This is a load of bunk! Growing up in a time when people would go into 'denial' about child abuse and there was no authority to turn to, does not mean it didn't happen. I HAD (witnessed) friends that were abused to the point where they showed signs of multiple personalities. Why weren't sex offenders recognized up until the 60's?
Unless you've been through it, don't talk like the expert you AREN'T!!
independentMomma1 4 weeks ago
@independentMomma1 - correction: I had friends that were beaten and sexually abused, ONE that demonstrated multiple personalities and yes.. she was TERRIBLY abused!
independentMomma1 4 weeks ago
just another uninformed author trying to get everyone to buy her latest book :(
pugdogy 1 month ago
this lady is full of crap.
mslaboda 1 month ago 2
This is no proof to show that Sybil didn't have these personality, In my opinion I believe that Sybil had all 16 personalities.
MockingMikhail 1 month ago 4
@MockingMikhail
Science says you have to prove some thing exists, not prove that it doesn't, and the cornerstone of truth is evidence and not belief.
If I said that I had seven hearts, or three lungs, would you believe me?
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892
Yes, But science can prove that you can't have "seven hearts, or three lungs." But science CANNOT prove if you have D.I.D. Well, anyway I believe that The sybil case is true. Try reading the book. Then respond thanks
MockingMikhail 1 week ago
@MockingMikhail
I'm a psychologist, so I'm not much into popular novels. I am far more interested in published research.
Also, that science can not prove you have a disorder is pretty good proof you either don't have it or that the order does not exist; most disorders being rather easy to substantiate.
And its nice that you believe the disorder exists. Irrelevant, but nice.
Tell you what; if you can prove the disorder exists, have at it. I'm listening.
Waltham1892 1 week ago
@Waltham1892 youre a troll.
Tuckercrew 1 week ago
@Tuckercrew
And you are going to follow me from posting to posting telling me I'm a troll?
I'm sorry, but isn't that the definition of a troll?
If you have an point you' like to make, make it. Otherwise the block button is a viable option.
Waltham1892 1 week ago
I personally do believe in the Sybil multi-personality case so, just as it is suggested, I'm taking Debbie Nathan's opinion with a grain of salt.
BeelzenefLuver 1 month ago 2
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People who make multiple personalites where placed on hardcore trama or tourte that they have to make a personality that shields her of the tormented girl. I read alot of experimentes that the goverment did to children well the end resolt was another personality as well as an abused child.
meynard1 1 month ago
I agree with others. What is this woman's agenda? Maybe she has something to gain by trying to shore up the "False Memory Syndrome Foundation" pedophiles' claims that children don't remember abuse and the abuse never happened anyway. And if they remember it, they're "just making up stories."
yellowkitchen1 1 month ago
Well, i just looked her up. She has no psychology credentials.
axelsoncarla 1 month ago 2
I would like to know the motive for Ms. Nathan's book is? What are her credentials in the mental health field?
axelsoncarla 1 month ago
This women as no clue... DID is a way of coping with abuse and pain and those that have it are not looking for attention in fact they live a private life and don't keep friends or long relationships because they don't want to be found out...
Colifiore 1 month ago
everyone seems to be mad bro since they are not getting the attention
drjj10 1 month ago
This book is brilliant--and long overdue.
jamesjeffreypaul 2 months ago
Debbie Nathan's book is not objective and is very biased; she definitely has an agenda. She absolutely loathes Connie Wilbur and Flora Schrieber and Shirley Mason and blames them for "Satanic panic" and false memory syndrome and all manner of psychiatric abuses that never would have happened if they hadn't "cooked up" their outlandish fake story of horrific child abuse and the splitting of a young woman's psyche into 16 different personaliters. Nathan's book is trashy; I wouldn't recommend it.
cynthiacher 2 months ago
@cynthiacher Can you tell me more about the "satanic panic" situation? Please message me if it's easier.
beautifulmind546 1 month ago
@beautifulmind546 "Satanic panic" was a phenomenon of the eighties. It was then that groups of children, mostly urged on by adults, accused day care providers and sometimes their own relatives of committing horrific satanic ritual abuse on them. It was kind of a mass hysteria, like what happened in Salem, Mass. Anyway, none of the accusations were proven or substantiated in any way, but many people were imprisoned anyway. The majority of them have since been exonerated.
cynthiacher 2 weeks ago
I agree that it is interesting that this book appears after the principles have died. Dr. Wilbur, Sybil and the writer that co wrote the book with Dr. Wilbur. I believe that its some sort of effort to discredit the reality of both the severity of child abuse and its horrendous and devastating aftermath.
starlightperkins330 2 months ago 2
MPD is not agreed upon by the entire psychiatric community. When Sybil was diagnosed, there still wasn't a lot of scholarship on the subject matter. This book doesn't explain Sybil's blackouts and the fact that so much of her memories (from childhood) were missing from the core personality.
starlightperkins330 2 months ago
@starlightperkins330
You are assuming is that memories can be "missing", that Sybil had "blackouts", and that there is such a thing as a "core personality."
Memories can not go "missing"; blackouts are based on self-report which may not be accurate, and a "core personality" is a concept with no scientific basis.
Time to put MPD/DID its grave and move on.
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892 Maybe you are the one associated with FMSF and the pedophile Ralph Underwager? There is biological evidence of repressed memories. Time to expose all of the pedophiles and abusers and move on.
beautifulmind546 1 month ago
Yes, its a massive consipracy. You are onto us. The voices in your head are right.
Really, I'm a clinican who has done research and taught psychology at the University level.
MPD/DID is a dodge employed by Borderline Personalities to look complex and interesting so clinicians will treat them.
On the clincians side, DID is the a way to make very standard work interesting and important. Its also a way clinicans who haven't bothered to learn the science can fake being relevant.
YAWN
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892 - My theory is people who have drifted into the field of psychiatry were all attracted to the topic in the first place trying to find answers to their own psychological disorders, namely all with narcissistic & psychopathic tendency's it seems they chose their profession as an easy way to find new victims.
& When "Professionals" like you use phrases like "The voices in your head are right" it always helps prove me right
IronicallyVague 1 month ago
@IronicallyVague - That is of course if you aren't just another zit faced half-wit Youtube troll who lies out of his ass with every breath he takes as you're IQ seems somewhat low to even be teaching Paper Mache techniques much less Psychology
IronicallyVague 1 month ago
@IronicallyVague
The research shows that individuals who go into mental health tend to be those who utilized mental health services in the past.
However, I don't know if that applies to psychiatry, which is more a branch of medicine.
That being said, Psychiatrists are more focused on the mechanics of the brain than the processes of cognition, which, in my experience, they don't understand very well.
This leaves them prone to make mistakes when talking outside their field.
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892 - Yes & by pointing out my attempt at misdirection you've proved to me at least you are what you say you are, Thank you
I see nothing wrong at all with using jokes on the topic of mental health as even patients need to laugh at themselves as we all need to do in the tribulations of life but not as an insult from someone pretending to care about you.
Enough said.
IronicallyVague 1 month ago
@IronicallyVague
One second...
I do care about the patients I've seen. I don't care about them as a parent would a child or a family member would another family member. But, you spend time working closely with someone and you can't help caring about them as human beings.
That being said, I've never cared about a patient enough to not confront a delusion or buy into a delusional belief system.
That’s were you go off the rails into MPD/DID/SRA land.
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892 - Yes I did over react somewhat & I'm certain what you said in your reply is very true about your personal values & professionalism.
As for this DID I can't say I know enough on the topic as anyone else but it seems to me most members of society tends to not believe ANY psychiatric condition unless it also happens to them as well and also that if there isn't such a thing as DID (although overly diagnosed ) then regardless there is something very very wrong with them
IronicallyVague 1 month ago
@IronicallyVague
I have the opposite view, people tend to view any diagnosis as valid because a professional made it and there is a book that says the disorder exists.
It never occurs to people that "professional" does not mean "infallible" and "because the book says it" does not means that the book is correct.
The DSM is a book written by a committee, that should be a red flag…
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892 - If you would have said that the DSM isn't %100 correct I would agree, & that they're influenced by a rather large income from pharmaceutical company's is also true, or that after reading some of the new illnesses they dream up it's a small wonder they aren't arrested & asked to leave the country..
But to fair they do blunder across small tidbits of truth once in while, that & they spelled their own names correctly & this Sybil person is in fact suffering.
IronicallyVague 1 month ago
@IronicallyVague
The DSM started out as a way of organizing and labeling constellations of symptoms into useful constructs.
Then it became Christmas Tree for every branch of psychology and psychiatry to hang their pet theories one (this is where MPD/DID/SRA comes in).
Then it became a catalog for drug companies.
Now it’s a billing guide for insurance companies.
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892 - You're not so bad after all & I was wrong..
Glad your teaching psychology
IronicallyVague 1 month ago
Ralph Underwager, the founder of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation was a known pedophile. There is now biological evidence of repressed memory. Children are abused, sexually molested, tortured and killed all of the time. Children who survive such trauma often develope dissociative identity disorder as a means to cope with the abuse and the pain. Who is Debbie Nathan and what is her agenda?
beautifulmind546 2 months ago 17
@beautifulmind546
Maybe her "agenda" is to put a unscientific and harmful clinical practice in its grave.
Waltham1892 1 month ago
@Waltham1892 Psychiatry is unscientific and harmful. Psychology is a different entity. Really what would be the agenda of a woman discrediting people who have histories of extreme abuse? I would bet with a little digging Debbie Nathan would have connections with FMSF.
beautifulmind546 1 month ago
@beautifulmind546 That what i say children who spilt to another personality are just escaping from the trama they take on there person.
meynard1 1 month ago
I think she used sexy as in "appealing to the eye, ear or what not" I don't believe it was meant for sexualization.
TheKimKyok 2 months ago 2
If she herself is not a psychoanalyst then how can she even begin to pick apart the diagnosis of Dr. C. Wilbur? She is "researching" facts that she does not truly understand. Also her use of the word "sexy" at the end is distasteful. The accusation that the book was invented and sold under the idea that the story is sexually sensationalised, is repulsive. The reality is that it chronicles the emotional trauma of a severely sexually assaulted woman, regardless of her questions over diagnosis
JoyNine7 2 months ago
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JoyNine7 2 months ago
Sybil and MPD
s y b i l a n d m p d . b l o g s p o t . c o m
Has evidence that the original "Sybil" book is true.
The accuracy of Debbie Nathan 's "Sybil Exposed" book questioned.
TheTVman28 3 months ago 2
I must say wish I had not spent the money for a hard copy. I wanted to sit at my own pace though with the Notes, Acknowledgements and Biblio, all the John Jay Paper citing s. This is a lot of pieced together,long known facts to make it a sensationalized story that promotes the Authors agenda, false memory syndrome, sex and scandalous, the vary accusations levied at the women involved with "Sybil" Ms Nathan applies in the book.
awesomeastrid 4 months ago
Another junk book.Wonder why no one did a book before these two ladies passed away.Real easy to attack people who cannot defend themselves.More junk journalism.Seem friends saw a different Shirley Ardell Mason then this junk journalist take on what happened.
lighstwatch 4 months ago
On the radio, however, this writer does NOT say that there is *no* such thing as MPD/DID. She says You really have to look and check, recheck, do research, and really make sure of your diagnosis. it's not *that* simple... and there ARE attention seeking people who will lie even if they are wasting time, energy, money & other's emotions even.
ibkristykat 4 months ago
I heard her on the radio *today* speaking about this book and her research. It really makes you realize that when a professional relationship gets muddled with "friendship" and other deeper type of relationship feelings, etc. the lines become SO fuzzy. But also this writer had done SO much research that you see how the writer of the BOOK hadn't done HER research to see if "Sybil" was telling the truth, so when she found she hadn't, couldn't change what was written. OOPSY POOPSY!
ibkristykat 4 months ago
ohh.. bubbelboll -
I so sorry. Not nice to talk about people who have troubles - I know. Sometimes, people have to talk so that they don't make mistakes and judge people when they don't know what they are talking about. So, people do talk and hope that they be nice and listen to reason and decide to be gentle and kind. Maybe, you should not come here no more. You stay safe. okay?
natalietal2 4 months ago
and my second feel spiteful. I dont know what it have to do with a terapist to do, because i never have talk to abot it.
I cant write moore nu, im so bad at english. But i dont like have you talk about people with multiple personality.
Bubbelboll 4 months ago
You say that she live in her fantasiworld and often was ill as a child. A lot of sexualy abused childreen escape to the fantasyworld, to come away from the reality. Regardless what someone does to your fysical body or what people say around, you can always escape to your inner universe, its like a teddybear, but more efektiv.
I dont know much about Sybil, but like you say the brain create other person ho can do things you cant. Isnt it great?
Sometimes i feel compassion with a child ho cry
Bubbelboll 4 months ago
I was wrong - the book is just plain boring - a retelling of her idea of how three women got together and made the whole thing up to sell books - well, not exactly - but pretty much that boring.
then, she goes into the whole pov that the book 'caused' all these women of the time to go out and report child abuse that never happened so to get therapist attention and a diagnosis of DID. Silly - yeah - but, she somewhat pulls it off - just like she says here - blah
natalietal2 4 months ago
Nathan rummaged through reams of therapist's notes - which were sealed - she has them unsealed - digs out the most titillating stories - to retell for the entire world to read - a retelling of each - in a tone where her voice sounds almost 'excited'. creepy, intrusive, sick. Her point - that every survivor with DID goes to t, recounts similar sexually charged stories - encouraged by the t - who helps them 'make personalities'. Mason? OMG - how very sad.
natalietal2 4 months ago
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I wonder who protects Ms. Mason's estate....it seems very creepy to see pictures of her floating out there saying she is basically a liar for attention...
TheMarlyb 4 months ago
I wonder who protects Ms. Mason's estate....it seems very creepy to see pictures of her floating out there saying she is basically a liar for attention...
TheMarlyb 4 months ago
eww, more to chew on - sexy... lol. Didn't know that Sybil could be considered 'sexy' - *shrugs shoulders*? I think that the whole dissociative identity disorder thing may be way above this authors head. I wonder if she has 'any' credentials at all. Surely none in the area of psychology. She hasn't a clue - looking for the quick buck - I think.
natalietal2 4 months ago 6
PLAYBOY? Are you kidding me?
TheMarlyb 4 months ago
I am thinking so - she is a journalist. I read on her facebook that she has worked with the false memory syndrome foundation before during some kind of retreat at Playboy Magazine. She evidently is trying to convince the public that there is 'no such thing' as multiple personality disorder by poking fun at multiples and those who believe that abuse can cause it. I dunno - I am the dumb public - I guess. But I KNOW DID is valid - and therapist cannot implant memories!!!!!!
natalietal2 4 months ago
this is insulting to women...that people bought this story because women wanted to believe that they could split to do whatever they needed to do? take science with a grain of salt? wow, this sounds like false memory foundation crap, is she connected to them?
TheMarlyb 4 months ago
OMG, are you kidding me? Trash Sybil, her diagnosis, and Dr. Wilbur - and 'hopefully' persuade 'you' that child abuse is nil - DID isn't well documented and researched (see DSMIV), and that millions of survivors are not struggling daily. Maybe, create enough 'doubt' that it will all just go away - really? No more abuse, no more DID, gone. hmmm I don't buy it - and I did read this book. Read with a 'grain of salt'.
natalietal2 4 months ago
I agree. I have seen the book. More dribble of what I just watched. Poorly written - pure speculation based on the writer's obvious ignorance of not only the facts of the ppl she is discrediting, including not only those revolving around the book but also, all ppl with dx of and mental health professionals who treat, research, etc. dissociative identity disorder. She jumps beyond cashing in on the death of a fine therapist to generalizing her fantasies to an entire population. Why?
natalietal2 4 months ago
DO NOT buy this crap. Once again here is someine ironically TRYING to create a bestseller. And can't do it any other way besides jumping on someone else's work and invalidating someone's experience. This is just sick and sad. She said herself, the book sold like crazy, so she thought writing something to discredit it would sell just as much. Very sad you have to attack others to do it! Women don't have to "create" a dissociative disorder for the reasons you stated anymore. MAYBE some women were
kristins411 4 months ago