The caller assumes that the presence or absence of adherents to a particular point of view proves something about the reliability of that view. The fact that most Americans are Christians who doubt evolution says nothing about the truth of evolution or of Christianity. It merely proves the success of Christianity at spreading itself through that population at the cost of opposing views. It would be more instructive to examine why people believe one thing rather than another.
It's amusing how atheists accuse us of having faith in something we can't prove with our eyes, yet they believe that we don't have college degrees and don't know anything about evolution just because we don't believe in it.
Ah, the hyprocritical dishonesty of atheists who somehow try to make us think that they are "perfect", and "never lie".
As usual, an atheist will probrably respond to me giving me useless reasons why they think i'm a liar lol.
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. So unless you have evidence supporting your god's existence, I have every right to dismiss your claim without evidence.
"...theory of evolution which has been changed over 200 times!"
If you had any clue as to what a theory is then you would not make such claims. all you have done is shown your incredible ignorance - good for you though, this can be corrected through education. Start with an 8th grade science book...
it started from an explosion la di da... we've all heard that same crap how ''over time'' this happened and that happened.. do u believe in the big bang?
an explosion? I have never heard that the universe started with an explosion. where did you hear that?
Also, Big bang theory, like evolutionary theory or the theory of gravity are understood/not understood or accepted/ not accepted...there is no belief involved.
my opinion? I don't think that that matters very much when talking about fields of scientific study. I do have opinions about people who, out of ignorance or dishonesty, misrepresent fields of study in order to promote their religious beliefs.
Being an Athist is not being evil, and athismen is not evil, becuse they are beleavers making the moust horrible crimes. Tell me one good thing comming from the bible, ofcurse you shuld not kill or steal, but anybody who isen't an compleate jackass know that, even if people do it all the time.
And if sience prove anything, then the belevers, plug ther ears, close there eyes, and yel "lalalalalalala!!!!" Until we stop trying..
It's not his fault that we sin, The Jews have and still do for the most part Reject Christ. On top of that prophecies have to be fulfilled. Israel was to fall (it did in AD 70) and come back (it did in the 40's-50's) Things are going to get worse, but that in the end the Earth will be restored. And Haiti was unfortunate, but the nation was committed to Satan in 1710 by its own government and ever since voodoo witchcraft has been a big thing in their culture. It's gonna happen here too...
Free will is not possible with an all powerful god all knowing god. If you go back to creation in your theory, god had to know who was going to do what and made a decision to create people who would not believe in him and then punish them for it anyway. So at the end of the day god made a decision and then punishes the people for his decision in your story.
And Haiti was unfortunate, but the nation was committed to Satan in 1710 by its own government and ever since voodoo witchcraft....
Ignorance at it zenith there....when you wrote that, were you trying to be a troll or do you actually believe it? You think that an earthquake is caused by the religious practice of the people in the region? Really?
Why must we always prove God exists? why don't they once try to prove that he don't exist? Really if you dig into everything they try to use against God there is Biblical backing to prove wrong, Once again people don't want to believe the truth and would rather use less effort to believe truth. God don't hate us, he hates the sin we freely committed even though he strictly told Adam not to eat of the tree, we did, see God don't send us to Hell, we do that ourselves, he gives us a way out.
@izbo10 If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would realize your smartass comments do nothing for your theory. You may think you are smarter than everyone else, but from your responses, spelling, and use of the English language, Most would rather gain knowledge from a 3 year old than from you. But since you stated it, prove there is no God. You said you could so this should be easy!
prove there is no god who created your God as a joke for the feeble minded...proving something doesn't exist is a waste of time, as you probably already know.
however, just as we can say that there is no such thing as a Bunny Rabbit hiding eggs in people's back yards in the Spring or a fat man in a sled flying around the world delivering gifts, we can say that your god does not exist.
and beyond that - the person making the assertion (god exists) carries the burden of proof...and that's you!
by zzZZzzz I assume that you mean "I am too challenged and can't think clearly because people are attacking my irrational beliefs and I can't figure out how to respond in an educated manner, so I give up."
and I accept your surrender and acceptance of reality! Thanks again, bright-star!
your "bright light" is a 40 watt bulb and your ability to defend your position is pitiful, at best. like most of your kind, you are care-free with slinging your position about but incapable of dealing with or understanding criticism.
if your god does exist, he is in the middle of a cataclysmic face-palm after reading your posts.
no need to apologize for your confusion...it has been readily apparent to all reading that you are quite confused about a good many things! It is relieving to see that you are just now realizing this as well...
...perhaps you have taken the first step towards an educated life. We can only hope!
As my previous post revealed I am brave and eager to accept my confusions. Thanks God, it was necessary for only one subject. :))) You idiot, you are thinking you are discussing with me but are revealing your incapacity which even makes some other smart atheists ashamed. I should not say this so quickly and enjoy it but it will take forever to describe a simple thing to a dumb person like you. Period here!
because you made the claim that a god does exist. as for the whole not hating us and giving us free will and sin...well since you have yet to show that your god exists (compared to the tens of thousands of other gods man has made up over the years) all that comes over as "blah - blah - blah".
So provide evidence supporting your position and then we can deal with all the "blah-blah's"!
i needed to cross a river once, there was a tree at the river side, it dell down, chopped itself up and turned into a boat, and then i crossed the river... i mean why not, if the world can come into being by itself, what is a boat!!
no its impossible to argue against a religion, because whenever you corner a christian in an arguement like this they make up some intangable excuse like its a make your own story adventure
@cole3454657 Did you think with a nonsense comment like this you would impress people into thinking you had one drop of sense. Well if that was your intent, you failed. You should really stay out of adult conversations at least until you go back and get your GED!
its not nonsense if you are a person, that has argued with a christian on something like this, its exactly what happens, p.s. you need GED to function,
Well my point is that history is bloody, in every country, whether it was religiously motivated or motivated by atheism. I can't think of any country without a bloody past. And even if atheism did bring out the worst in people it still wouldn't make it wrong, it would just make it miserable.
And for others wonderful. I'm an atheist and it's fine. It doesn't make me happy, it doesn't make me sad. I see no reason for a lack of faith in a god to be considered evil by anybody.
Or are you saying that I'm evil because I'm an atheist? Or am I an atheist because I'm evil?
Yes, the thing you call miserable can be wonderful for some people and some others can find this as evil... I do not know how the thing you call miserable can also be wonderful at the same time...
You can definitely be much better person with a faith in a Creator as Einstein/Stephen Hawking describe : the reason for the existence of the universe..
Newton who shines over them was! Use scientific method. Experiment and see if experiments can prove or disprove theory... It worked for me. I do not see any reason that it will not work for you..
Yeah, Newton was religious because he lived hundreds of years ago and everyone was back then, Plato was a genius and he believed in Greek gods, doesn't prove a point either way.
I'm a science student and I would like one example of an experiment that can either prove or disprove god.
There are many religious scientists alive today. You just do not hear about them.
Newton was a great mind who could say "I do not make philosophy". What else would he say to prove he is superior than most so called scientific modern man?
And when you find one evidence that disproves God, let me know. It will give me a good reason not to believe in God.
I'm sure there are plenty of religious scientists, I'm glad there are, it would be weird if there weren't.
How's this for evidence that god doesn't exist:
There is no provable effect that god has on any of the physical laws, that is none of them are ever broken in any study, only ever in anecdotal stories.
No instrument can detect god or any of his effects.
Prayer has been shown to be ineffectual in studies.
There are thousands of disagreeing religions believing in different gods.
Due to the random chemical reactions in the mass called my brain, the mass called my fingers apply pressure on keyboard and this results in lightning on the mass called screen and the signals reaching to your brain, combined with all the internal and external electrochemical reactions end up with pressure on the mass you call your keyboard. All random, and bounded by physical laws... So do you exist? Do you do anything and everything you think you have been doing freely, really freely?
What I said is the basis of atheism and it is not understood by almost none of the atheists I discussed so far, mainly because accepting failure is harder than failure. The biggest dead-end to atheism is free will because scientifically we do not have it. If you study quantum mechanics you will understand that we humans are just ripples in a vast ocean of energy and every action even thinking is just particles randomly kicking each other in that ocean...
@1n354a: If proof is the only reason to believe in a God, than disproof is the only reason not to believe in a God. But an atheist -I have never seen a smart enough one, sorry- idiot can never see this. I believe in God, because I have free will and make choices...
This is a huge mistake you make, you don't believe something due to a lack of evidence. Their is no evidence that unicorns don't exist yet you don't believe in them.
Free will is also limited, you are limited by the human capabitlities, you can not live at the bottom of the ocean. So you don't have complete free will. Yet I have yet to find a theist smart enough to accept this.
@izbo10: keep on commenting on things you do not understand, except mine.. my sentences are meant for my collocutor! I am not interested in discussing with you.
And please tell me that you aren't arguing the if evolution is wrong then it must be god, because the fact is this video is wrong on 2 fronts. First fallacy is popularity has nothing to do with truth and 2nd is it is missing a key idea the fact that if evolution is wrong we go back to not knowing. We can't just assert god.
I would like to state that atheism says nothing about free will . It has only one meaning and that is not a theist. Nothing more nothing less to be an atheist. Please learn definitions.
I think you are confused - proof/evidence for or against the existence of god would negate the need to believe, as you would actually know something about the nature of your gods existence.
"Free will" and "omniscient" are mutually exclusive....I say this assuming that you believe in the omniscient, Christian god...so that is a poor reason to believe in something.
And since you are a science student it will be easier to explain your distorted understanding of science and scientific methodology. When you say "Newton was religious because he lived hundreds of years ago" even a single scientist who lives today will be enough to disprove your thinking. And there are more than you think... :)
@paralaks Lol I love creationists who try to use famous scientists who were religious to somehow prove that this is evidence that god exists. "if this smart guy believes in god, then everyone should"
First of all Newton also believed in witches and sea monsters that could swallow vessels whole. I mean can you blame him? We would all believe in that garbage too if we didn't have the technology and data that we have today. And don't point to religion for science because we all know the conflicts
"I love creationists who try to use famous scientists who were religious to somehow prove that this is evidence that god exists" -- you heard the voice of an idiot came out of nowhere :)))
to make society better, we follow laws, laws which we created by someone to make life better for everyone. the Creator put laws for us to follow, and we must follow them. if you break a law, ur judged. Just like like that, the creator will judge us to how we followed the universal laws.
"evil of atheism" is a fancy way of saying "I'm terrified that somebody doesn't believe the same thing that I do, as their non-belief is a challenge to the validity of my beliefs."
@paralaks I am not aware of that at all. In fact I think that that is a very accurate representation of what "evil of atheism" means to most people.
I think that you are a classic example of this mentality - you take an idea that is contrary to your beliefs and you feel threatened. To cover for feelings of inadequacy you resort to insulting the person who presented the contrary position.
not believing in a god(s) is not evil, and I think we all know that you know this.
Yes you probably have heard that one before...the questions now are a) are you just too stupid to realize what is being told to you? or b) do you fully realize the reality of this position but willingly choose to ignore as it might challenge your belief system?
I would just like to note that all i have seen you do this entire time is throw ad hominem arguments our there. You find a mistake in spelling and attack the grammar. You have provided zero in substance and then accuse the people who bring something to the conversation of being the ones doing this.
"ad hominem arguments" sounds like another enthusiastic parrot... Why don't you scroll down to my message where I summarized the decision making process in mankind and explain that with your own words? Perhaps I can conclude you and your alike deserve a bit of my time after that...
Yes, and you are an idiot. That's why instead of answering the question I put forward you act like a colorful parrot. Fine.. you are an idiot.. what can I say.. :))
pot calling the kettle black, which question would that be smart guy i tried looking through your posts here to see if you had said anything of any value but to my surprise not a single thing. So maybe i missed this post you refer to, in order to be able to answer your question give me the question again. Im sure its not hard to figure out the answer to the question. 9 times out of 10 its a god of the gaps argument from theists.
hope you have a mirror handy then, i think i found your post you referred to lol. Some random comments about chemicals in your brain making the mass called your hand move then asking the philosophy 101 question of how do you know you exist? would that be the uber intelligent post you want me to respond to.
Listen pot head, when you pas phili 101 and reach physi 999 (Heisenberg's uncertainity principle, quantum mechanics, Grand Unified Theory, String Theroy etc.) the electrical currents passing through right pathways in your brain would result in a reaction in your body which will put you into a state looks like you got the question right: "it is not how do you know you exist, it is do you really exist as a decision making unit?" :)))
great start with insults and bragging. It doesn't take a great deal of knowledge to understand the physics you presented. Sorry the way you have talked on here i can be reasonably assured you don't have a college degree at all. This philosophical question has existed for years by the way. The questions end up being the same style of answer which ever one you use. Its basically we know we exist as such to the best of our possible knowledge.
You will then go onto say see we don't know we exist as such so you just believe that then claim your god, missing 2 points 1 that everything else we believe exists is through observation and 2. that you are being owned.
Hey pot head! nice expression by the way, u r a good inspiration :))), how long will you keep on posting bulshit to my comments and expect me to take you serios you idiot? I still do and ask important question make important point like: I did not say we do not know we exist, we exist but are we making choices or every action even thinking of ours is just random? An atheist must say yes, so my other question is, you are randomly atheist and theists are randomly theists. Live with that!
Did it ever occur to anyone that the bible and the Quran, like buddhist text aswell might just be metaphor that have been misinterpreted over the centuries?? People always see what they want to see, actually they see what they have been raised to see, our genes tell us to learn from our parents, thats how we survived so far, thats how every species survive, now if you got religious parents then you'll take everything they say for granted so you'll believe it too
Of course it'll be easy to understand and believe the quran or evolution. Man would rather hear and believe 1,000 lies than listen and believe 1 truth. The Bible is true, hence why so many don't believe it since every other religion and religious text is false. I don't hate anybody, but it's ridiculous what garbage people will believe.
Christ preached love, forgiveness, charity, compassion, and devotion.
This has no bearing on the fact that God also preaches warnings to those who turn against him.
When somneone breaks into your home to kill or mame you, will you not stand up for yourself? God will also stand up for Himself against those who attack him and His followers. I know you have a problem with God's sovering right to do so, but that is your problem, not God's problem.
Essentially all the three branch religions are the same, you know, Judaism, Christianity, Islam. But they've all been taken so far out of context that it starts fights, and war.
I love all religion as well, because I love to explore everything about it.
This is true, but not all are religions, some would better classified as a way of life.
Oh, and you asked if religion teaches you to fear the unknown - based on the subject matter the answer is no, it teaches you to understand that their can be more than we are capable of seeing or even understanding.
"Essentially all the three branch religions are the same, you know, Judaism, Christianity, Islam. But they've all been taken so far out of context that it starts fights, and war."
I do love that - - - schisms of the same religion all killing each other because they are sure they they are right and the others are wrong....too damn funny!
You cant have even a basic understanding of any of the 3 religions you just mention and honestly say that. Before you make such comments again my friend I HIGHLY recommend you familiarize yourself with them. Or ATLEAST the supposed equation of them as a simple youtube search or google search of religious pluralism will show you how utterly false the equation of islam, judaism and christianity is. Good hunting my friend, if I can help please feel free to privatly message me : )
Listen at :58 and he asks "do you think theres any fact or validity to the fact that..." Moronic, inconceivably biased interviewer. How can you be on the money when you don't even approach answsering the first question. Hey was he right on the money with his "Atheist's nightmare, banana?" NO.
Being educated has nothing to do with religious preference. Well, it usually doesn't any way. I'm Muslim and I can honestly say that some of the most highly educated people on earth still believe and follow the teachings of their faith.
So don't you think, that if their was an all knowing creator, that he would know this and thus create sense of fear in us under-inelegant beings, unable to understand what we don't see.
My question to him is why he doesn't come down and explain it more clearly than the over 5000 manuscripts put together over 1500 or so years and disputed among the different religions. Seems to me..if hell is the ultimate destination...a clear explanation would be in order. Or course...the reformed like Comfort actually believe we are chosen for heaven or hell anyway..so ...their whimsical God makes the point moot.
Firstly, the bible is the most unclear religious text of any kind. It's true meaning has been tainted over many years, and as a result those meanings are lost. However, if you want a clear cut vision of what heaven or hell is like, read the quran or hadith of the prophet.
1Atomtan - Those are your terms, not God's terms. Even in this day and age the gospel is being preached but people CLOSE THEIR MINDS because they want freedom from religon. You are free to choose your beliefs and religion, to follow God or not to follow him. You get to chose between heaven or hell. If you truly want to follow God all you have to do is ask God to show you HIS truth and he will simple as that..
The Bible says God would that NONE should perish. But Ray and many others believe..For them he foreknew, he did also PREDESTINE to be conformed to the image of Christ Jesus..means God chose some fro Heaven and some for Hell. If it is in fact predetermined, and humans are all evil outside of God..then why concern your self with it?Comfort always preaches the Ten commandments, but his beliefs on the matter are that he is simply following God's guidelines. Not that anything he does changes folks.
1Atomtan - I think predestination for heaven or hell can only be determined by your actions on earth. No one is SO predestined that they can't change their destiny where they will end up for eternity. If you believe in God then earthly life is a constant struggle against the battles of evil, against the flesh. But if you continue down the narrow path you will undoubtely end up in heaven. Even Judas had the chance to repent but he chose not to and suicided due to despair.
i wont tell u wat religion i follow..but i feel religions are guidelines to live tis life better..
some religions are not upto the mark according to prsebt thinking..they need to be updated..but core teachjng and never stale, so very need to follow them to lead better lifa as human being..religion does take u to god..God is a fear that has been put so that we follow a guideline..
the stupidist logic I ever heard was that a random explosion created everything. Are you afraid that God will prove Himself to you? Just talk out loud and ask God to prove if He is real or not. Are you afraid?
at least it is logic.... what logic is there in believing in some stupid book that was written two thousand years ago, by people you've never met, and have no reason to trust, and that you've been brainwashed through the propaganda of friends and family to believe in??!! honestly, open you mind for a second... if a community lives in complete isolation, and never hears about the bible, god, or any of that nonsense... you say they deserve to burn for eternity? what kind of logic is that???????
very very correct and straight forward answer..nice..
i meet a person from a particular religion..he said bcos he's following that particular religion will go to god,heaven and cos im following something else..i'll go to hell..ppl think so narrowly..so stupid!..as they have copyright on god and heaven, if there is God and heaven!
stella - the logic behind it all is that God will judge the person who has never heard of him before according to his conscience and how he lived his life. Though it's hard to believe that in this day and age there are people out there living today that haven't heard of God or the bible etc. That's why missionaries exist or existed.
Two of the biggest fucktards talking to one another... the idiocy could not be greater
TheGamanic 10 months ago
1:33- 1:55 Great interview
mytuber81 1 year ago
The caller assumes that the presence or absence of adherents to a particular point of view proves something about the reliability of that view. The fact that most Americans are Christians who doubt evolution says nothing about the truth of evolution or of Christianity. It merely proves the success of Christianity at spreading itself through that population at the cost of opposing views. It would be more instructive to examine why people believe one thing rather than another.
Steve7508 1 year ago
Evolution is not even a theory.. it is just a joke Darwin made years ago!.. :)))
paralaks 1 year ago
Not even Einstein believed in Evolution.
It's amusing how atheists accuse us of having faith in something we can't prove with our eyes, yet they believe that we don't have college degrees and don't know anything about evolution just because we don't believe in it.
Ah, the hyprocritical dishonesty of atheists who somehow try to make us think that they are "perfect", and "never lie".
As usual, an atheist will probrably respond to me giving me useless reasons why they think i'm a liar lol.
maxhiner699 2 years ago
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. So unless you have evidence supporting your god's existence, I have every right to dismiss your claim without evidence.
"...theory of evolution which has been changed over 200 times!"
If you had any clue as to what a theory is then you would not make such claims. all you have done is shown your incredible ignorance - good for you though, this can be corrected through education. Start with an 8th grade science book...
1n354c 2 years ago
it started from an explosion la di da... we've all heard that same crap how ''over time'' this happened and that happened.. do u believe in the big bang?
mohammadawais 2 years ago
an explosion? I have never heard that the universe started with an explosion. where did you hear that?
Also, Big bang theory, like evolutionary theory or the theory of gravity are understood/not understood or accepted/ not accepted...there is no belief involved.
1n354a 2 years ago
okayy.. so what is ur opinion?
mohammadawais 2 years ago
my opinion? I don't think that that matters very much when talking about fields of scientific study. I do have opinions about people who, out of ignorance or dishonesty, misrepresent fields of study in order to promote their religious beliefs.
Would you like to hear those?
1n354a 2 years ago
They talk like atheists aren´t human.
I like how Catholics believe that the genesis is metaphorical
EnvyAbomination 2 years ago
Being an Athist is not being evil, and athismen is not evil, becuse they are beleavers making the moust horrible crimes. Tell me one good thing comming from the bible, ofcurse you shuld not kill or steal, but anybody who isen't an compleate jackass know that, even if people do it all the time.
And if sience prove anything, then the belevers, plug ther ears, close there eyes, and yel "lalalalalalala!!!!" Until we stop trying..
TFAric 2 years ago
It's not his fault that we sin, The Jews have and still do for the most part Reject Christ. On top of that prophecies have to be fulfilled. Israel was to fall (it did in AD 70) and come back (it did in the 40's-50's) Things are going to get worse, but that in the end the Earth will be restored. And Haiti was unfortunate, but the nation was committed to Satan in 1710 by its own government and ever since voodoo witchcraft has been a big thing in their culture. It's gonna happen here too...
shoprat17 2 years ago
Free will is not possible with an all powerful god all knowing god. If you go back to creation in your theory, god had to know who was going to do what and made a decision to create people who would not believe in him and then punish them for it anyway. So at the end of the day god made a decision and then punishes the people for his decision in your story.
izbo10 2 years ago
And Haiti was unfortunate, but the nation was committed to Satan in 1710 by its own government and ever since voodoo witchcraft....
Ignorance at it zenith there....when you wrote that, were you trying to be a troll or do you actually believe it? You think that an earthquake is caused by the religious practice of the people in the region? Really?
1n354a 2 years ago
Why must we always prove God exists? why don't they once try to prove that he don't exist? Really if you dig into everything they try to use against God there is Biblical backing to prove wrong, Once again people don't want to believe the truth and would rather use less effort to believe truth. God don't hate us, he hates the sin we freely committed even though he strictly told Adam not to eat of the tree, we did, see God don't send us to Hell, we do that ourselves, he gives us a way out.
shoprat17 2 years ago
why don't you believe a zimran in my backyard didn't create the world?
izbo10 2 years ago
@izbo10 If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would realize your smartass comments do nothing for your theory. You may think you are smarter than everyone else, but from your responses, spelling, and use of the English language, Most would rather gain knowledge from a 3 year old than from you. But since you stated it, prove there is no God. You said you could so this should be easy!
rocky5544 2 years ago
ok lets look at the jews in the holocaust. They die and then god sends them to hell for a worse punishment. Would the loving god really do that.
izbo10 2 years ago
nope
SpartanChic117 2 years ago
prove there is no god who created your God as a joke for the feeble minded...proving something doesn't exist is a waste of time, as you probably already know.
however, just as we can say that there is no such thing as a Bunny Rabbit hiding eggs in people's back yards in the Spring or a fat man in a sled flying around the world delivering gifts, we can say that your god does not exist.
and beyond that - the person making the assertion (god exists) carries the burden of proof...and that's you!
1n354a 2 years ago
I decided to reply all of your posts at once:
....zzZZzzz..
paralaks 2 years ago
by zzZZzzz I assume that you mean "I am too challenged and can't think clearly because people are attacking my irrational beliefs and I can't figure out how to respond in an educated manner, so I give up."
and I accept your surrender and acceptance of reality! Thanks again, bright-star!
1n354a 2 years ago
live with own your assumptions please... away from my bright light :)))
paralaks 2 years ago
your "bright light" is a 40 watt bulb and your ability to defend your position is pitiful, at best. like most of your kind, you are care-free with slinging your position about but incapable of dealing with or understanding criticism.
if your god does exist, he is in the middle of a cataclysmic face-palm after reading your posts.
1n354a 2 years ago
My apologies, I just realized that all I have to tell you for all times is ...zzZZzzZZ... sorry for my previous confusion! :)))
paralaks 2 years ago
no need to apologize for your confusion...it has been readily apparent to all reading that you are quite confused about a good many things! It is relieving to see that you are just now realizing this as well...
...perhaps you have taken the first step towards an educated life. We can only hope!
God's speed, young grasshopper!
1n354a 2 years ago
As my previous post revealed I am brave and eager to accept my confusions. Thanks God, it was necessary for only one subject. :))) You idiot, you are thinking you are discussing with me but are revealing your incapacity which even makes some other smart atheists ashamed. I should not say this so quickly and enjoy it but it will take forever to describe a simple thing to a dumb person like you. Period here!
paralaks 2 years ago
how did it go? zzzZZZzzz... ?
:D
1n354a 2 years ago
"why must we always prove God exists?"
because you made the claim that a god does exist. as for the whole not hating us and giving us free will and sin...well since you have yet to show that your god exists (compared to the tens of thousands of other gods man has made up over the years) all that comes over as "blah - blah - blah".
So provide evidence supporting your position and then we can deal with all the "blah-blah's"!
cheers!
1n354a 2 years ago
there is NO such thing as god, i agree with you.
what is easier to make a Boat or The universe??
i needed to cross a river once, there was a tree at the river side, it dell down, chopped itself up and turned into a boat, and then i crossed the river... i mean why not, if the world can come into being by itself, what is a boat!!
mohammadawais 2 years ago
no its impossible to argue against a religion, because whenever you corner a christian in an arguement like this they make up some intangable excuse like its a make your own story adventure
cole3454657 2 years ago
@cole3454657 Did you think with a nonsense comment like this you would impress people into thinking you had one drop of sense. Well if that was your intent, you failed. You should really stay out of adult conversations at least until you go back and get your GED!
rocky5544 2 years ago
its not nonsense if you are a person, that has argued with a christian on something like this, its exactly what happens, p.s. you need GED to function,
cole3454657 2 years ago
What is the 'evil of atheism'? can someone enlighten me on that?
pezzamange 2 years ago
It starts with incapacity to grasp history! :)))
paralaks 2 years ago
nope sorry, still confused.
pezzamange 2 years ago
You should start reading the history of countries where atheism was the state policy.
paralaks 2 years ago
You should start reading the history of countries where any religion was/is the state policy.
pezzamange 2 years ago
Second time??
paralaks 2 years ago
Well my point is that history is bloody, in every country, whether it was religiously motivated or motivated by atheism. I can't think of any country without a bloody past. And even if atheism did bring out the worst in people it still wouldn't make it wrong, it would just make it miserable.
pezzamange 2 years ago
For you 'miserable'.. for some 'evil'...
paralaks 2 years ago
And for others wonderful. I'm an atheist and it's fine. It doesn't make me happy, it doesn't make me sad. I see no reason for a lack of faith in a god to be considered evil by anybody.
Or are you saying that I'm evil because I'm an atheist? Or am I an atheist because I'm evil?
pezzamange 2 years ago
Yes, the thing you call miserable can be wonderful for some people and some others can find this as evil... I do not know how the thing you call miserable can also be wonderful at the same time...
You can definitely be much better person with a faith in a Creator as Einstein/Stephen Hawking describe : the reason for the existence of the universe..
paralaks 2 years ago
Neither Einstein nor Hawking are religious, but that's irrelevant. How exactly does believing in a creator make you a better person?
pezzamange 2 years ago
Newton who shines over them was! Use scientific method. Experiment and see if experiments can prove or disprove theory... It worked for me. I do not see any reason that it will not work for you..
paralaks 2 years ago
Yeah, Newton was religious because he lived hundreds of years ago and everyone was back then, Plato was a genius and he believed in Greek gods, doesn't prove a point either way.
I'm a science student and I would like one example of an experiment that can either prove or disprove god.
pezzamange 2 years ago
There are many religious scientists alive today. You just do not hear about them.
Newton was a great mind who could say "I do not make philosophy". What else would he say to prove he is superior than most so called scientific modern man?
And when you find one evidence that disproves God, let me know. It will give me a good reason not to believe in God.
paralaks 2 years ago
I'm sure there are plenty of religious scientists, I'm glad there are, it would be weird if there weren't.
How's this for evidence that god doesn't exist:
There is no provable effect that god has on any of the physical laws, that is none of them are ever broken in any study, only ever in anecdotal stories.
No instrument can detect god or any of his effects.
Prayer has been shown to be ineffectual in studies.
There are thousands of disagreeing religions believing in different gods.
pezzamange 2 years ago
Let's agree on a few things:
* Religions can be right or wrong. It does not change the nature of the Creator. People can have different opinions about same thing/person/idea
* Why physical laws exist? Why universe is not totally random?
* There are studies showing opposite results for prayers.
paralaks 2 years ago
Due to the random chemical reactions in the mass called my brain, the mass called my fingers apply pressure on keyboard and this results in lightning on the mass called screen and the signals reaching to your brain, combined with all the internal and external electrochemical reactions end up with pressure on the mass you call your keyboard. All random, and bounded by physical laws... So do you exist? Do you do anything and everything you think you have been doing freely, really freely?
paralaks 2 years ago
I have to admit, I have no idea what you're talking about now.
pezzamange 2 years ago
@pezzamange: I like your style man! :)
What I said is the basis of atheism and it is not understood by almost none of the atheists I discussed so far, mainly because accepting failure is harder than failure. The biggest dead-end to atheism is free will because scientifically we do not have it. If you study quantum mechanics you will understand that we humans are just ripples in a vast ocean of energy and every action even thinking is just particles randomly kicking each other in that ocean...
paralaks 2 years ago
"And when you find one evidence that disproves Santa, let me know. It will give me a good reason not to believe in Santa."
Sounds equally dumb when you replace santa with god.
Believe in one god, two gods or twenty gods if you like, but please don't pretend that your belief is rational or is supported in any way by science.
1n354a 2 years ago
@1n354a: If proof is the only reason to believe in a God, than disproof is the only reason not to believe in a God. But an atheist -I have never seen a smart enough one, sorry- idiot can never see this. I believe in God, because I have free will and make choices...
paralaks 2 years ago
This is a huge mistake you make, you don't believe something due to a lack of evidence. Their is no evidence that unicorns don't exist yet you don't believe in them.
Free will is also limited, you are limited by the human capabitlities, you can not live at the bottom of the ocean. So you don't have complete free will. Yet I have yet to find a theist smart enough to accept this.
izbo10 2 years ago
@izbo10: I found another stupid atheist, I wish I run into rare smart ones...
paralaks 2 years ago
how so you just said you believe in unicorns by your theory, who is the stupid one again. You can have no reality.
izbo10 2 years ago
@izbo10: yes I have no reality... find some real minds matching yours...
paralaks 2 years ago
Are you really claiming that if their is no evidence god doesn't exist you should believe?
izbo10 2 years ago
@izbo10: no, I am claiming that my time is getting more valuable each time I see a new message in my inbox..
paralaks 2 years ago
then clear yourself up i don't get what your trying to say. Lack of evidence should lead to not believing and that is all it takes to be an atheist.
izbo10 2 years ago
@izbo10: keep on commenting on things you do not understand, except mine.. my sentences are meant for my collocutor! I am not interested in discussing with you.
paralaks 2 years ago
let me ask are you christian?
If so i can disprove your god for you.
izbo10 2 years ago
You do not need to be too smart to find that out..
paralaks 2 years ago
And please tell me that you aren't arguing the if evolution is wrong then it must be god, because the fact is this video is wrong on 2 fronts. First fallacy is popularity has nothing to do with truth and 2nd is it is missing a key idea the fact that if evolution is wrong we go back to not knowing. We can't just assert god.
izbo10 2 years ago
I would like to state that atheism says nothing about free will . It has only one meaning and that is not a theist. Nothing more nothing less to be an atheist. Please learn definitions.
izbo10 2 years ago
I think you are confused - proof/evidence for or against the existence of god would negate the need to believe, as you would actually know something about the nature of your gods existence.
"Free will" and "omniscient" are mutually exclusive....I say this assuming that you believe in the omniscient, Christian god...so that is a poor reason to believe in something.
1n354a 2 years ago
i once needed to cross a river, s tree fell down, cut itself up and turned into a boat, hence i crossed the river.
mohammadawais 2 years ago
And since you are a science student it will be easier to explain your distorted understanding of science and scientific methodology. When you say "Newton was religious because he lived hundreds of years ago" even a single scientist who lives today will be enough to disprove your thinking. And there are more than you think... :)
paralaks 2 years ago
@paralaks Lol I love creationists who try to use famous scientists who were religious to somehow prove that this is evidence that god exists. "if this smart guy believes in god, then everyone should"
First of all Newton also believed in witches and sea monsters that could swallow vessels whole. I mean can you blame him? We would all believe in that garbage too if we didn't have the technology and data that we have today. And don't point to religion for science because we all know the conflicts
blacksabbathgnr098 2 years ago
"I love creationists who try to use famous scientists who were religious to somehow prove that this is evidence that god exists" -- you heard the voice of an idiot came out of nowhere :)))
paralaks 2 years ago
"you heard the voice of an idiot came out of nowhere :)))"
Oh no...not out of nowhere...your voice is ringing loud and clear for all the world to hear, twinkle-toes.
1n354a 2 years ago
to make society better, we follow laws, laws which we created by someone to make life better for everyone. the Creator put laws for us to follow, and we must follow them. if you break a law, ur judged. Just like like that, the creator will judge us to how we followed the universal laws.
mohammadawais 2 years ago
@pezzamange
"evil of atheism" is a fancy way of saying "I'm terrified that somebody doesn't believe the same thing that I do, as their non-belief is a challenge to the validity of my beliefs."
1n354a 2 years ago
@1n354a I am sure you are aware that you are speaking for yourself with your your little brain...
paralaks 2 years ago
@paralaks I am not aware of that at all. In fact I think that that is a very accurate representation of what "evil of atheism" means to most people.
I think that you are a classic example of this mentality - you take an idea that is contrary to your beliefs and you feel threatened. To cover for feelings of inadequacy you resort to insulting the person who presented the contrary position.
not believing in a god(s) is not evil, and I think we all know that you know this.
1n354a 2 years ago
@1n354a: heard that before...
paralaks 2 years ago
Yes you probably have heard that one before...the questions now are a) are you just too stupid to realize what is being told to you? or b) do you fully realize the reality of this position but willingly choose to ignore as it might challenge your belief system?
I'm on the edge of my seat...which one is it?
1n354a 2 years ago
I would just like to note that all i have seen you do this entire time is throw ad hominem arguments our there. You find a mistake in spelling and attack the grammar. You have provided zero in substance and then accuse the people who bring something to the conversation of being the ones doing this.
izbo10 2 years ago
"ad hominem arguments" sounds like another enthusiastic parrot... Why don't you scroll down to my message where I summarized the decision making process in mankind and explain that with your own words? Perhaps I can conclude you and your alike deserve a bit of my time after that...
paralaks 2 years ago
wow i accuse you of using too many ad hominem arguments and out of the blue you think its a good idea to go for the ad hominator once more.
izbo10 2 years ago
Yes, and you are an idiot. That's why instead of answering the question I put forward you act like a colorful parrot. Fine.. you are an idiot.. what can I say.. :))
paralaks 2 years ago
pot calling the kettle black, which question would that be smart guy i tried looking through your posts here to see if you had said anything of any value but to my surprise not a single thing. So maybe i missed this post you refer to, in order to be able to answer your question give me the question again. Im sure its not hard to figure out the answer to the question. 9 times out of 10 its a god of the gaps argument from theists.
izbo10 2 years ago
I prefer to to watch the squirm or an idiot... :))
paralaks 2 years ago
hope you have a mirror handy then, i think i found your post you referred to lol. Some random comments about chemicals in your brain making the mass called your hand move then asking the philosophy 101 question of how do you know you exist? would that be the uber intelligent post you want me to respond to.
izbo10 2 years ago
Listen pot head, when you pas phili 101 and reach physi 999 (Heisenberg's uncertainity principle, quantum mechanics, Grand Unified Theory, String Theroy etc.) the electrical currents passing through right pathways in your brain would result in a reaction in your body which will put you into a state looks like you got the question right: "it is not how do you know you exist, it is do you really exist as a decision making unit?" :)))
paralaks 2 years ago
great start with insults and bragging. It doesn't take a great deal of knowledge to understand the physics you presented. Sorry the way you have talked on here i can be reasonably assured you don't have a college degree at all. This philosophical question has existed for years by the way. The questions end up being the same style of answer which ever one you use. Its basically we know we exist as such to the best of our possible knowledge.
izbo10 2 years ago
You will then go onto say see we don't know we exist as such so you just believe that then claim your god, missing 2 points 1 that everything else we believe exists is through observation and 2. that you are being owned.
izbo10 2 years ago
Hey pot head! nice expression by the way, u r a good inspiration :))), how long will you keep on posting bulshit to my comments and expect me to take you serios you idiot? I still do and ask important question make important point like: I did not say we do not know we exist, we exist but are we making choices or every action even thinking of ours is just random? An atheist must say yes, so my other question is, you are randomly atheist and theists are randomly theists. Live with that!
paralaks 2 years ago
You can use statistics to prove anything anything though. 88.39% of all people know that.
cantryss 2 years ago
So we should have polls about science?
So if stop believing in gravity it will go away, what a fucking jackass.
swedisagnostic 2 years ago
Did it ever occur to anyone that the bible and the Quran, like buddhist text aswell might just be metaphor that have been misinterpreted over the centuries?? People always see what they want to see, actually they see what they have been raised to see, our genes tell us to learn from our parents, thats how we survived so far, thats how every species survive, now if you got religious parents then you'll take everything they say for granted so you'll believe it too
besidegabriel 2 years ago
Go watch my videos. Especially "My question to all Christians". This is fucking bullshit.
gerrodallen 2 years ago
Shock... May the lord be with you...
GamerGuy320 2 years ago
wikipedia the following: education
pacisvelnex 2 years ago
Of course it'll be easy to understand and believe the quran or evolution. Man would rather hear and believe 1,000 lies than listen and believe 1 truth. The Bible is true, hence why so many don't believe it since every other religion and religious text is false. I don't hate anybody, but it's ridiculous what garbage people will believe.
shoprat17 2 years ago
"I beleave in the Bibel" not "The Bible is true"
But why is good that great?
If good come to me and said "Hey, I exist"
Sure I would beleave that he existed, but I would say "Fuck you" to him.
If he exist he is evil.. or, do not care for us, or that we are some twisted experiment. Look at Haiti, why did they have that earth quake?
TFAric 2 years ago
Hey.. tell me.. what is the RIGHT religon?
Tell me.. wrong send me to hell.. so what is the real one..?
TFAric 2 years ago
Christ preached love, forgiveness, charity, compassion, and devotion.
This has no bearing on the fact that God also preaches warnings to those who turn against him.
When somneone breaks into your home to kill or mame you, will you not stand up for yourself? God will also stand up for Himself against those who attack him and His followers. I know you have a problem with God's sovering right to do so, but that is your problem, not God's problem.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
Let's examine to god you like to envision:
1) So inept he needs mistakes in nature to creat life
2) Is a wimp, and backs down from anyone who confronts him
3) provides no moral law and allows whatever perversions you like
4) Is not personal, nor personable
5) Takes no strong interest in the activities of his own children
There is no God like that anywhere except in your head.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
you're going to wish one day that you've never blasphemed god
veroinuyasha 2 years ago
@veroinuyasha your going to wish one day that you never blasphemed Zeus
blacksabbathgnr098 2 years ago
I will be one of Zeus's judges.
1Cor.6
.[3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
NephilimFree 2 years ago
umm i don't worship the devil.
veroinuyasha 2 years ago
lol..loved ur comment, im not against any particular religion..i love all..
rahulanjali07 2 years ago
Essentially all the three branch religions are the same, you know, Judaism, Christianity, Islam. But they've all been taken so far out of context that it starts fights, and war.
I love all religion as well, because I love to explore everything about it.
BBIPro 2 years ago
there are more religions which have strong roots, still they r not as relevant..all religion should be use as guidelines..then use ur own mind..
rahulanjali07 2 years ago
This is true, but not all are religions, some would better classified as a way of life.
Oh, and you asked if religion teaches you to fear the unknown - based on the subject matter the answer is no, it teaches you to understand that their can be more than we are capable of seeing or even understanding.
BBIPro 2 years ago
ur right..but most ppl take it as fear of god and evil,hell,heaven etc...
lol..u have to fear ..god..really ridiculous..else he'll send u to hell...pray him everyday!!!..lol
rahulanjali07 2 years ago
Yes, I pray each day. Literally five time (I'm Muslim). lol... And I agree. Thanks for the conversation friend.
Usually, I'm defending my beliefes against peole who don't know anything about religion.
So thanks you for being inelegant.
BBIPro 2 years ago
im glad im talking to muslim...hope all muslims understand the really meaning of Holy Quran..
its such a fine book..i love Quran's teaching and islamic discipline...just need an open mind to understand Quran indepths..
love..
rahulanjali07 2 years ago
Same...
BBIPro 2 years ago
Islam is devil worship and the one you worship is actually the devil. Please look it up
revelation4u 2 years ago
"Essentially all the three branch religions are the same, you know, Judaism, Christianity, Islam. But they've all been taken so far out of context that it starts fights, and war."
I do love that - - - schisms of the same religion all killing each other because they are sure they they are right and the others are wrong....too damn funny!
1n354a 2 years ago
Hm...
I can't tell if your being sarcastic friend...
BBIPro 2 years ago
You cant have even a basic understanding of any of the 3 religions you just mention and honestly say that. Before you make such comments again my friend I HIGHLY recommend you familiarize yourself with them. Or ATLEAST the supposed equation of them as a simple youtube search or google search of religious pluralism will show you how utterly false the equation of islam, judaism and christianity is. Good hunting my friend, if I can help please feel free to privatly message me : )
arktheball 2 years ago
riiight...they are completely unrelated...100% original in their own right...nothing to do with each other at all...
dream on, young grasshopper!
1n354a 2 years ago
judge u?..y will god judge u?..u think he has no better work..judge urself bro..if u find urself true, its heaven here then...dnt u agree?
rahulanjali07 2 years ago
Listen at :58 and he asks "do you think theres any fact or validity to the fact that..." Moronic, inconceivably biased interviewer. How can you be on the money when you don't even approach answsering the first question. Hey was he right on the money with his "Atheist's nightmare, banana?" NO.
skydome29 2 years ago
Being educated has nothing to do with religious preference. Well, it usually doesn't any way. I'm Muslim and I can honestly say that some of the most highly educated people on earth still believe and follow the teachings of their faith.
BBIPro 2 years ago
@stellarawesomevideos
This is how Muslims in America feel friend. We feel lumped into a category that is ignorantly portrayed.
Do you think people would follow religion if their was no fear of negative outcome?
BBIPro 2 years ago
All religion needs fear to thrive. Without fear and man's natural insecurity..religion stays tribal.
1Atomtan 2 years ago
So don't you think, that if their was an all knowing creator, that he would know this and thus create sense of fear in us under-inelegant beings, unable to understand what we don't see.
BBIPro 2 years ago
My question to him is why he doesn't come down and explain it more clearly than the over 5000 manuscripts put together over 1500 or so years and disputed among the different religions. Seems to me..if hell is the ultimate destination...a clear explanation would be in order. Or course...the reformed like Comfort actually believe we are chosen for heaven or hell anyway..so ...their whimsical God makes the point moot.
1Atomtan 2 years ago
Firstly, the bible is the most unclear religious text of any kind. It's true meaning has been tainted over many years, and as a result those meanings are lost. However, if you want a clear cut vision of what heaven or hell is like, read the quran or hadith of the prophet.
BBIPro 2 years ago
1Atomtan - Those are your terms, not God's terms. Even in this day and age the gospel is being preached but people CLOSE THEIR MINDS because they want freedom from religon. You are free to choose your beliefs and religion, to follow God or not to follow him. You get to chose between heaven or hell. If you truly want to follow God all you have to do is ask God to show you HIS truth and he will simple as that..
Eltsacwenify 2 years ago
The Bible says God would that NONE should perish. But Ray and many others believe..For them he foreknew, he did also PREDESTINE to be conformed to the image of Christ Jesus..means God chose some fro Heaven and some for Hell. If it is in fact predetermined, and humans are all evil outside of God..then why concern your self with it?Comfort always preaches the Ten commandments, but his beliefs on the matter are that he is simply following God's guidelines. Not that anything he does changes folks.
1Atomtan 2 years ago
1Atomtan - I think predestination for heaven or hell can only be determined by your actions on earth. No one is SO predestined that they can't change their destiny where they will end up for eternity. If you believe in God then earthly life is a constant struggle against the battles of evil, against the flesh. But if you continue down the narrow path you will undoubtely end up in heaven. Even Judas had the chance to repent but he chose not to and suicided due to despair.
Eltsacwenify 2 years ago
so does religion teach u to fear of unknown?..
i wont tell u wat religion i follow..but i feel religions are guidelines to live tis life better..
some religions are not upto the mark according to prsebt thinking..they need to be updated..but core teachjng and never stale, so very need to follow them to lead better lifa as human being..religion does take u to god..God is a fear that has been put so that we follow a guideline..
rahulanjali07 2 years ago
@skydome29
the stupidist logic I ever heard was that a random explosion created everything. Are you afraid that God will prove Himself to you? Just talk out loud and ask God to prove if He is real or not. Are you afraid?
gloryboundkev 2 years ago
at least it is logic.... what logic is there in believing in some stupid book that was written two thousand years ago, by people you've never met, and have no reason to trust, and that you've been brainwashed through the propaganda of friends and family to believe in??!! honestly, open you mind for a second... if a community lives in complete isolation, and never hears about the bible, god, or any of that nonsense... you say they deserve to burn for eternity? what kind of logic is that???????
stellarawesomevideos 2 years ago
very very correct and straight forward answer..nice..
i meet a person from a particular religion..he said bcos he's following that particular religion will go to god,heaven and cos im following something else..i'll go to hell..ppl think so narrowly..so stupid!..as they have copyright on god and heaven, if there is God and heaven!
rahulanjali07 2 years ago
stella - the logic behind it all is that God will judge the person who has never heard of him before according to his conscience and how he lived his life. Though it's hard to believe that in this day and age there are people out there living today that haven't heard of God or the bible etc. That's why missionaries exist or existed.
Eltsacwenify 2 years ago
Ray's comments were right on the money.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
@NephilimFree I wouldn't put my money on him. If i were a theist I'd go with Lennox, you might win a debate or two.
skydome29 2 years ago
Thanks for this video. I missed most of the show because I had to answer a call for help. I was disappointed that I missed the show.
If someone wants proof that God is real and created everything, they just need to pray and ask God to prove it.
gloryboundkev 2 years ago
lol done that, and it never works.
BlackRaptor31 2 years ago
Everyone already knows, deep down. Denial of the Truth will only lead to sorrow, and acceptance to joy. The choice however is up to the individual.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
Amen!
SAUNDERSacts2618 2 years ago
I really like Ray...he seems very loving.
God bless him and God bless you shock.
Nice video, I favored.
GodLovesUs100 2 years ago
Ray is the truth.
Marcell2aG 2 years ago