Day[9] Daily #395 P3 - Terran Week - Bomber's TvZ

[AusShinDig]

And a very ugly ENGINEERING BAY!

[Igneale]

SOA FTW

[Proto92393]

Bomber <3 that is all.

[purplefrog21]

Im having trouble against this build when they do a roach push or roach rush, the tanks cant come out in time, any advice?

[superhuther]

@purplefrog21 r u pressuring w/ hellions? or at least pretending to? if u know they coming hard and fast w/ roaches 3-4 bunks w/ 2 rax reactor pump is good still get ur weap upgrade nice and early

[purplefrog21]

@superhuther Thanks! I was doing the build wrong but never thought to get extra bunkers, and 2 rax reactor? what about 7 roch rush?

[superhuther]

@purplefrog21 doing any sort of early pressure is good. if your concern is a 7 roach set a bunk up outside their main ramp or simply turtle your main choke and delay your expand. get 1 tank and you wont need siege what will be important is rushing to fill ur one bunk getting 1 tank w/ the tech lab get blue flame hellions and get 4 -- if the roaches leave their base counter w/ ur helions. If the build is mass ling uve already got helions on field to deal w/ them. now just micro

[purplefrog21]

@superhuther Thanks so much!



[ttitanb]

i just tried this build and it actually works surprisingly well.

[teazalamode]

i just watched you for an hour. you now have a new subscriber! cheers! great vids! great analysis. can't wait to try this out. cheers mate!

[pmgmsd]

Day9, FIX THE SYNCING PROBLEM! IT'S DRIVING EVERYONE CRAZY

[hapayboy]

@cptsteiner Also you you are only talking about one small part of the TvZ match up. Terran has a huge win percentage lead in this match up so stop winning or "keep you qq'ing internal :D. Oh btw you're a dick.

[hapayboy]

@CptSteiner You sir need to take into account that the terran had 1 very simple way to catch up in economy. That is the planetary fortress. This building removes the ability for zerg to counter attack with things such as lings and if you set one of these bad boys up at a gold then all of a sudden the zerg is in deep shit. Also the mule does make it much easier for the terran to stay competative and if you think about it a zerg need to be ahead in economy just to stay competative.

[julesjordan]

Lol stressful match up? like stressful that mules keep terran in games that any other race would surely be dead on...yeah that race

[CptSteiner]

@julesjordan You are clearly a moron if you think that mules make TvZ an easy matchup. They are the only reason Terran can even make an attempt at keeping up in econ, much less some foolproof fall back plan. Do everyone a favor and keep your qq'ing internal.

[ltheSpacemanl]

yeah sound is definitely off, but it's only bothersome when it cuts to him and you see the delay in his talking.

[Ragman205]

whyyyyyyyyy is the audio lagging :(

[whateverweed666]

epic intro song and drawing lol

[razvanciurez]

How much impact can have the map design for a certain opening style? I other words, can a opening style be used on all maps?

[mistahjion]

@razvanciurez pretty much yes, but the result differs. For example 6 pooling in Steppes of War. Now try 6 pooling in Terminus Re. It can still happen, but the results will vary. 

[DLuznyyy]

most people that say terran are OP probley haven't played much terran or suck ass. people obsess over how good mules are when really, i feel like i never have any scvs. this early 3rd CC strat looks cool ima try. diamond T.

[DeuceHunter1503]

is it just my com, or is the sound out? o_O

[ghughus]

@DeuceHunter1503 mine is out too, same for the last daily

[GrugNorg]

Honestly day9, when my friend first said watch day9 hes really good, I was like eeehhh I dunno I like the uen and HD ststarcraft and husky. But now that I watched some dailys Im totally sold! Thanks so much for this build. Im rank 5 silver and my zerg game suffers. You. Really get into the nitty gritty of these builds. Awesome job dude!

[hapajaja]

wat is laddering



[hellfirepaladin]

Day 9 please could we see some of your ladder games? if you have time between everything I think it would be a real treat

[Guitar123Colt]

@hellfirepaladin he doesn't ladder often.

[myboybovice]

@Guitar123Colt thats not true in the slightest, he said he usually plays about 5 games a day

[Zuwze]

@hellfirepaladin I think he said that he will start showing his own games when he stops being terrible :P

[Protossbox]

@hellfirepaladin No he will never tell that he is bronze player who is pulling ideas out of nowhere!

[EternalNarwhal]

Can anyone tell me or give me a link to where I can find free MLG / GSL / Major tournament game replays? I'm interested in learning from the replays and I'm not sure where to get them. I realize that casters on youtube must get them from somewhere but I can never find out where.. Thanks in advance.

[Smubbs]

@EternalNarwhal google.com

[DubbelfrukT]

Day[9] made me actually dare to play my first game of starcraft 2 scince season 2! And guess what! thanks to our dear 9th day, I steamrolled my opponent :D

SO happy for this! :D :D... Now for the challenge and my NYR.. Get to silver leauge EU :)

[KoryStevens]

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[Greggah]

Just won a Barcraft Tournament Match with this build. Thanks DayJ :D!!!

[FrozenPancakesHERO]

ima let you haters finish but starcraft 2 is one of the best rts of all time.

[48tank]

Idra ftw

[wekillyou07]

you are my hero. lol

[RMJ1984]

Since when is TvZ frustating for a terran rofl ?.

Its the damn zerg, who has to worry about all ins, proxy barracks, bunker rushes, bunker blocks. hellion rushes, hellion all ins.

[alpinoterran]

@RMJ1984 lolwut, i played both races and is a stressful matchup in general, but SC2 is a stressful game in general, thats why it is cool ,fucking casuals dont play it for too long

[Jusseppe]

@RMJ1984 I'm guessing you play Zerg.

[TheReallydontcare]

@RMJ1984 You've never played terran have you?

[hypext]

Very useful daily

[Mrfakster]

LOVE that blue flame helion :)

[LtHenryCrunch]

@theultimatenose Not exactly fair, as it was just the holidays. It has been known for a while that it would be terran week this week, so it would seem silly to expect zerg replays. On top of that, it is not as if an off-race replay has no value. The general rules till apply, as well as a glimpse at something you might have trouble with in the future as zerg. No need to tell Day[9] what to do; as we all know, he is the god of all starcraft knowledge.

[Dawnwalker19]

why doesnt bomber ever wall off early? just because he knows Idra well enough to know he isnt going to do much early game harass?

[MadBagOfHorses]

@Dawnwalker19

Watch using that word 'ever'.

Two things and one you mentioned. He knows Idra is a one trick pony. The second reinforces this: he is confident in his crisis management to take less damage then the opponent invests in dealing it. Especially against Idra, who not only doesn't do early pressure but who's bad at it when he tries. That makes Bomber's confidence in crisis management even more stand out.

[raja1057]

<3 the drawing at the beginning its better than mine XD

[Guaguadeath]

omg that was like the funniest intro to the daily ive seen in a while lol

[shahidee44]

Lols, apparently ive been doing the same style that bomber is doing. Man i love doing that and zerg always rage hehe =P. One big punch!!

[YaMoZzO]

I always find myself scratching my balls whenever im watching the dailys .

Just thought id throw it out there.

[PIumpomatic]

I would let Day9 do dirty things to me o_o

[hit9uget9]

A baby seal walks into a club.

[Sapreme]

@hit9uget9 A marine walks into a bar.

There is no counter.

[MadBagOfHorses]

@Sapreme

Correction to make it actually work for the intended double entendre:

"A marine walks into a bar and asks: Where's the counter?"

[Guitar123Colt]

@Sapreme A zerg player walks into a special ed room. Because they are all retarded.

[rjgamemaster2011]

@Sapreme ikr so ture :)

[KiriStarcraft]

@Sapreme Overused lame joke lol

[heyyou3yesyou]

@Sapreme Have you tried any form of surround with ling baneling?

Or how about double evo lings with a macro hatch into infestor?

Why not make the marines run away with banes and snipe the tanks with lings groupings or your mutas then retreating to reinforcing lings so you can take out marines easily with out their tanks mk?

[ttitanb]

@Sapreme That seems like an uncomfortable bar

[hit9uget9]

A black guy walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. The bartender says "Hey, that's really nice, where'd you get it?!?!" ... the parrot replies "Africa!" herpderp.

[icefly20]

@hit9uget9 Parrots mainly come from Australia and South America ._.

[NickBigsmoke]

day9 has so many shirts

[muffinspuffinsEE]

Wow, nice build!

[Akantorz12]

I'm a protoss player, I feel so left out in this daily, I want to punch my self in the balls and suck my own dick for 20 hours till the next daily.

[Zenako21]

haha best part at 4:00 lol

[Skeeeder]

0:21

Best, Fucking.. drawings.... EVER!! :D!!!!!

[dropofthegun64]

bingo dingo, wanna mingo?

newest pickup line has been unleashed.

[malequa]

holy unsynced audio batman!

[dougransley]

@malequa he so good he speaks faster than the speed of sound!

[3BDRR7MAN]

@malequa Where?

[bzcoolness]

@malequa Maybe it's a translation from Japanese. 

[v2Drake]

Okay iv never played SC before but I played some AoE II and C&C3. My question is, is StarCraft II difficult to learn and to enjoy ?

[MrGangstar101]

@v2Drake On acount of a league system, I would awnser no. You will always be playing an opponent who is just as good as you. (After your 5 placement matches). Gogo Gl Hf- Enjoy! :D

[TheMadFedje]

@v2Drake imo starcraft 2 is one of the most difficult games around.

[v2Drake]

@TheMadFedje @MrGangstar101 - Thanks for the replies guys :)

[jumbinjumbin]

@TheMadFedje depends on who your opponents is can be the easiest game around to ;)

[K4inan]

@TheMadFedje Not difficult like some games I know..

[Dremux117]

@TheMadFedje You have a good opinion.

[Believethat]

@TheMadFedje im guessing u never played Brood War online to much that was so much harder required huge apm SC2 is far more user friendly which is a very good thing for players like me :)

[alainyy]

@TheMadFedje I don't play sc2 but I agree xD

[freezewindow1]

@TheMadFedje lol yeah i think the only game that is harder would be sc-brood war

[TBCotter]

@TheMadFedje Probably why its so addictive IMO.

[bendo9521]

@TheMadFedje when you compare sc2 with touhou

[stikyfingas90]

@TheMadFedje imo you never played BW

[vaporizeru]

@stikyfingas90 imo you never played Warcraft 2; or 1; should I tell you about how jerk you are with stupid comments like this?

[stikyfingas90]

@vaporizeru yeah if you'd like to

[FleivaSleiva]

@TheMadFedje try BW

[igrowweedfromaseed]

@TheMadFedje do dout starcraft has the highest skill cap!

[Entar0adum]

@TheMadFedje Your opinion is wrong

[AcidOverseer]

@Entar0adum A opinion cant be wrong

[Baekmagoji]

@AcidOverseer tell that to Adolf Hitler.

[Entar0adum]

@AcidOverseer .....

[gmdimaano]

@TheMadFedje Try BW. No auto-casting/smart casting. Very limited rallying, queueing and grouping system. One-click-one-action. Wonky unit AI and pathfinding. SC2 players have it easy compared to their predecessors.

[stormscion]

@gmdimaano main problem with sc2 that i have is that it looks like 2 blob balls of stuff are fighting each other ... in sc1 you can often have huge battles with spreading units across like half the map

[fateola]

@gmdimaano

Try Warcraft 2. BW players have it easy compared to their predecessors.

See v=-Mxypu9WC8c

[gmdimaano]

@fateola Point taken. I remember WC2. Thing is, I don't know why players still accept Blizzard-Activision's lousy interface for their RTS games; claiming it as a "game mechanic" or part of the "core gameplay". It's just silly, imho when there have been advances in UI in other games. E.g. TA and Supcom.

[fateola]

@gmdimaano

Well, I think it's important to separate what makes life easier (e.g., being able to select more units) from what takes important inputs away from the player (e.g., army formations negating the need for micro). To my mind, the Blizzard interface is the best at striking that balance, and that's largely why it's been able to cultivate a pro scene.

[gmdimaano]

@fateola I'm more of a fan of the former than the latter. Approachable and intuitive interfaces are a big plus for me. Notwithstanding its strategic depth, SC requires incredible skills (apm, micro) for its execution; making it more a skills game than a strategy game. Partly responsible for the very high skill threshold of SC is its interface.

[ScopezxQuick]

@TheMadFedje How bout broodwar ??

[GeoDim4evv]

@v2Drake Easy to play difficult to master :) Blizzard games are always fun. atleast for me

[KAmaKAsa1]

@GeoDim4evv easy to play?... not really hard to play even harder to master

[KAmaKAsa1]

@v2Drake well i dont know much of AoE II, but cc3 is just a build order game with no real mechanics ( was pretty fucking good at that game), i personally do not enjoy a game if im not good at it and sc2 is not something you just play for a week and youre good. ive had SC2 since release in like june 2010, i have like 800 1v1 matches played, but im still high masters level and i watch sc2 regularly so that helps alot, watching pro matches helps alot if you know abouts what theyre doing

[KAmaKAsa1]

@v2Drake teamliquid(dot)net is the main sc2 community site, stay away from blizzard forums theres only balance posts and people whining, the game is very well balanced and no race is OP atm... and you pretty much always lose only because of your mistakes, but you need to realize them in order to improve, watching day9 daily is a good way to improve in the low levels, i watch these for the entertainment value mainly

[Macheathz]

@v2Drake Easy to learn basics, hard to master. But you can't get a game more satisfying, then when you win a long macro match.

[hit9uget9]

@v2Drake SC2 is very easy to enjoy. And as with most games is easy to learn...hard to master. If you don't own it...buy it. gogogo! :D

[todeszeichen00]

@v2Drake In my experiance its easy & fun to get into (if you don't mind losing in the process) but very very hard to master, theres people who barely play it & just enjoys it from time to time & people who play it 8-10 hours a day.

I can advice you to get it & just start playing :)

[nickrowan]

@v2Drake It's easy to learn, but difficult to master :) It's also such a rewarding game to get right.

[AlduinWorldEater]

@v2Drake the ladder system is really good there are 7 leagues so there are people with very different skill levels

[MadBagGamer]

@v2Drake

SC2 feels clean as compared to any other RTS and I would argue that it's easier to learn... but that there are people who have REALLY learned it well and that it's nigh-on impossible to learn it as well as them.

Luckily the match-making is pretty much the best of any game ever and tends to create close matches no matter your skill level. There are people on the ladder who have never played RTS games, so I'm sure you wouldn't be bracketed into the very bottom of it.

[Jusseppe]

@v2Drake Easy to learn and easy to enjoy. Really hard to play at high levels.

[CheeseySoda598]

Hey

[AnDPineapple]

yay

[Whiskxy]

<3

[Bihu89]

DAY9 I LOVE YOU SO MUCH YES HOMO I DONT CARE

[jin970603]

4th?



[NinjaSandvich]

Dat audio sync.

ಠ_ಠ

[sk8apunk666]

:D

[ArchimedesClassified]

huh