My mother wanted to abort my baby brother because she had 3 boys but never did. This baby brother if it were not for the 6 year age gap we would have been like 2 peas in a pod In the 90s we had a garbage&recycleing business that employed 20-25 people I enjoyed working with my baby brother 10 years My older half-brother left home when I was 8&another younger brother we did not get along the same Abortion robs sibblings of opprotunities&experiences of life with other sibblings.Sibblings are good
@hepatitis I'm paintedsquid, this is my new account. Until about 20 or so weeks into the pregnancy, there is no possible way for the fetus to live and grow outside of the mother. Before that, it is more a cluster of cells than a developed human being. Nobody should have to have an unwanted child.
it's an ethical question. Is it right to let a potential person commandeer a woman's body against her will? THAT is the issue. Should a pregnant woman be allowed to decide if and when to give birth? That's why we have choice, so each individual woman can decide, based on her feeling, morals, intuition, knowledge of her circumstances.
I cant believe she changed her mind :( She gave women one of the most basic of human rights - control of your own body - and now she wants to take it back?? Damn... :/
@paintedsquid you say you control your own body but does that imply that you have the right to kill your baby inside? Is his/her rights respected? You know... the basic right to all human being... the right to life?
I think she has to do this because of all the death threats she probably gets from pro-life lunatics. Women are not incubators you psycho son of bitches.
~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT??McCorvey lied about being raped in her court case,gave birth to the baby & put it up for adoption.Moved with her poor family to Dallas. Said she was raped again, married a man who abused her, divorcedhim, has ANOTHER baby that she GAVE to relatives. She was a drug addict, alcoholic, played w/ lesbianism.Later gave up two MORE children to adoption.She was a carnival freak show barker, broke, & depressed. shes a nutcase
@Sueezee1 she has only been pregnant 3 times & lied about rape once. 2 times she gave her babies to family & the other to adoption. and your whole list of things she has done wrong has changed. She has started pro-life groups & has been one of the most successful pro-life movement leaders. Now that she has met the Lord she is amazing! i agree with junder89, it is sad that we look to killing as a "treatment" to a pregnancy because of stupidity about sex. seriously- don't be silly wrap your willy!
~~~~~~~~~~ Who in the hell said it was more than once , and you go the right idea......she was a white trash nutcase, she still is and her opinion of prolife means NOTHING in the law that makes it legal. Its a shame you people cant have a real hero!
@Sueezee1 I honestly can't believe what you are saying. you called me a child abuser, uneducated, ignorant and you got unnecessarily rude. how do you expect to persuade people to agree with you on opinions or support you in debates if you can't even do it maturely or kindly.
@andreachristine45601 says: I AM NOT A CHILD ABUSER NOR WILL I EVER BE!!! i would never hit a single person
~~~~~~~~~~~ Youre dumbass think abuses ONLY consists of hitting??? Done with you. I hate people who CHOOSE to ignorant . BYE...stay stupid, prochoice thanks you!!
I think we as American need to start being held accountabe for our actions, abortion is necessary in some cases but with so many form of preventive actions we can take, its pitiful that someone would need an abortion
A heavy burden to carry. Knowing it was her lawsuit that resulted in millions of babies being brutally murdered. If only she had this change of heart in 1970.
@IndyEllen007 says: t was her lawsuit that resulted in millions of babies being brutally murdered.
~~~~~~~~ Youre an idiot. It was NOT "her" lawsuit! It was NOT about her at ALL. It was a class action suit for ALL owmen. How old are you??? Youre a LIAR. too...it isnt murder. You dont know much, do you?
For shame. Hopefully her traditional Christian views land her in a traditional Christian hell for setting back 40 years of womens right progress for 1 minute of ripoff advertising. What a selfish cunt.
I don't hate the church, I'm angry at the injustices it supports and sad at those who feel obligated to follow them in such unChristian attitudes as anti-choice radicalism and homophobia. I'm almost more sad than angry at those who are misled by genuine attempts to please God, victimized by church leadership that SHOULD know better.
Many people in this current era are highly secular. There's nothing wrong with that; however, they permit their secular or atheistic attitudes to envelop their morality. They somehow develop an attitude of impartiality and indifference to human life. That is Fd up! Many simply resent the Catholic Church, so they take any stand which opposes the Church's view. They permit baby murder because they resent an institution! Reason shouold superced resentment, not vice versa.
There is very good reason to resent the evil the Catholic church promotes, but it's a total falsehood to claim people oppose it SOLELY because of Catholicism's support. Homophobia is wrong. Sexism is wrong, Anti-choice radicalism is wrong. How the Catholic Church views them won't change that.
@PrisonerNumber9653 It IS a flasehood! I should have said said MANY secualr types carry that resentment. It's made obvious by the massive number of cynical comments we find on pages like these. The reason I comment on that resentment is because I hear it in so many peoples' arguments, who claim that their arguments are impartial to their attitude towards the Church. I guarentee you that a huge # of pro-choice supporters hate the Catholic institution and that hate influences their arguments.
@oz8drive says :of all the choices in the world, why kill?
~~~~~~~~ Do you actually what ME to answer as to why 40 MILLION women a year abort ? I dont know why they do it, and its none of MY business. Why do you think its yours?
@oz8drive says: The reason why people choose abortion because they think they don't have a choice.
~~~~~~~~~ LMFAO...WHAT??????? So, youre saying all women are ignorant and dont know they can HAVE their babies & keep them, or have them and put them up for adoption? Good god, you damned LIARS get dumber everyday!!
@oz8drive says: the reaosn why people choose abortion because they think they dont have a choice
~~~~~~~~~~~ Then why did they CHOOSE abortion?? Youre a frickin idiot. Are you saying women are so ignorant that they dont know they can have a baby and KEEP it, or have it and put it up for adoption? Where did you learn women were so stupid? From your mother???
@Sueezee1 duh?? of all the good choices in the world you choose to kill? duh?? It seems like a person thinks that there is no choice at all. It is a very desperate, selfish, and wrong decision. Killing is not human.
@Sueezee1 I don't need to be a judge whether or not it is wrong or not. It is just the way it is. Kill somebody and let us see if killing is NOT wrong.
~~~~~~~~~~ yes it is! let me tell you JUST how "desperate" it is... No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg to escape. knowledge is power and you get nowhere w/o it!
@Sueezee1 So, are you saying that having a baby is wrong? That bringing life is a false and wrong move that you have to get rid of it? If you have enough knowledge and intelligence, you have to do better than choosing abortion.
@oz8drive says:If you have enough knowledge and intelligence, you have to do better than choosing abortion.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats WHY women choose abortion...becauase they are intelligent. We arent white trash prolifes who have 10 kids we cant afford or dont wnat because someone told us we shouldnt abort. Thats for you whimps, with no backbone OR brains.
@Sueezee1 said-" we arn't the white trash prolifes who have 10 kids ..someone told us we shouldn't abort.Thats for you whimps with no back bone OR brains."
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Sueezee1 , The whimps are the ones that can't take care of themselves and have unwanted pregnancies.
Those with no back bone are the ones that have abortions so they don't have to care for a baby.
And the ones with no brains are the ones to stupid to NOT GET PREGNANT if they don't want to be!!!
@Sueezee1 Owh?? "Women are choosing abortion because they are intelligent." WOW!!! What a sentence to end my day. HAHAHA!!! (Actually, I'm really laughing right now!!)
wheew... Anyway, that's the most dumbest thing I've ever heard! Killing - an intelligent choice??!! WAAAAH!!!!! What have you done to yourself lately? Killing people?? HAHA!!! MY GOSH!!!!!! HAHAHA!!!!
People do not need abortion. We need DISCIPLINE. That is an intelligent and right choice.
Ive never heard of a mother regretting having her baby no matter conceived or even disabled, but the pro lifers seem to have found thousands of women all regretting there abortions.
A human sperm inside an human egg is alive and human at conception.
@MrRichymil says: but the pro lifers seem to have found thousands of women all regretting there abortions.
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LOl, I know, isnt that amazing? Actaully thay probably know NO one who regrets it, its just that they believe if somoene did have an abortion, that they SHOULD regret it. These people arent too bright
"Well I fought and got the right for me to choose, but since I grew old and found Jesus I want to take that away from the females of future generations."
@MrBlackfish011 says: "Well I fought and got the right for me to choose, but since I grew old and found Jesus I want to take that away from the females of future generations
All human life, well then I guess she should advocate for the banning of tanning and all exercise since human life is being destroyed there on the cellular level.
McCorvey lied about being raped in her court case,gave birth to the baby & put it up for adoption.Moved with her poor family to Dallas. Said she was raped again, married a man who abused her, divorcedhim, has ANOTHER baby that she GAVE to relatives. She was a drug addict, alcoholic, played w/ lesbianism.Later gave up two MORE children to adoption.She was a carnival freak show barker, broke, & depressed. She was a frickin fruitcake!
Jane Roe was a stupid bitch to begin with, pro-choice or anti-choice. I wouldn't take ANYTHING she said seriously...she's now found her vocation, christianity, which is renowned for being full of shit.
@CosmicMutty The last part depends on who you talk to. I always recommend that people read what Christ said in the Bible. That is what Christianity is supposed to be. Then you can judge whether or not it's full of whatever you think it's full of.
35 years after the Supreme Court legalized abortion in the US, abortion rates are at their lowest level in 3 decades
Guttmacher Institute's 2005 survey- the abortion rate fell 9% in 5 years, to 19.4 abortions for every 1,000 women; the 1.2 million abortions in 2005 numbered 25% fewer than the high of 1.6 million in 1990 > That would seem to be good news, whether you view abortion as evil, a necessary evil, or a routine medical procedure no more morally troubling than a tooth extraction.
How many people like Tim Tivo are not living today, just due to the deceiving tactics from pro abortion institutions. How many women can change their mind about abortion, if only they are offer, first a conversation about all the risk of the procedure, The possibility of never having an other baby again, the psychological problems that most women experience for years after the abortion, and if an ultra sound was offered. Think about it.
She went through all that trouble to legalize abortion but went on to have the baby, millions of babies and thousands of women die from abortions and doctors are murder for doing the abortions, does she ever stop and think this is all started with her to scared to take on her responsiblity,
Bible is the worst written book ever, the koran and torah is next. Simply horrible stuff and you expect anyone with a brain to believe this biggest bullshit story of all? HAHAHAHHAA!!!
Those who accept the fact that they have human limitations are the people I expect to believe in God. Those who seeks for the truth beyond understanding, and those who are more intelligent to believe that beyond everything and all the physical and visible things in this world, there is SOMETHING MORE are the people who believe that God is here.
No because in order for that statement God is the world to be true, one has to have faith that firstly such a god exists which i don't. Thus the statement is in itself faith based and is appeal to belief making it a fallacy and a crock of shit. That is FREEDOM Sir! This is critical thinking, something that puts the fear of reality into the minds of dishonest theists.
If he owns our lives as you claim then he made ONE BIG FUCKUP, this more like the creation of a temp with a bad attitude and not some 'intelligent designer' as Carlin would put it. If god was a CEO of ANY company he would be imprisoned for life or put to death, SIMPLE. Who do people turn to when shit goes wrong? that's right, the person 'in charge' I love the intellectual freedom and fresh air of being an Atheist, no down trodden idiotic theistic neediness need apply.
And explain to me why you are capable of judging the world?
There's no such thing as God as a CEO, and even if you use "if" it will not apply for God is GOD, and CEO is just a human with limitations.
"Who do people turn to when things goes wrong?" GOD. But why blame him when it is in fact by our own abusive usage of our independence that everything went wrong in the first place?
God is mans invention, god is man. We made god in our own image :D God doesn't exist, never did, biggest lie ever told and the lie continues. I'm sure it started out with the best intentions, you know primitive minds seeking explanations and such, but the god concept is gaining more skeptics and less converters, educating people does that so i push for more inquisitive minds, knowledge and education for a better brighter religion free future :D
Wow, you're twisting it! But just answer the question!
Plus: God is man? If I made a popsicle stick, would it be considered a man? HAHAHA!!!! That's stupid! ;'D
God has no beginning and has no end.
We humans are so stupid. Our knowledge is limited, even today!... and yet we conclude that God does not exist without opening our hearts. I know you did not open your heart, I can see it. And your words about "God-does-not-exist" is totally GARBAGE. OPEN YOUR HEART!!
Okay your popsicle stick analogy makes about as much sense as your belief. Which is ZERO. God doesn't exist dude get over it, how long has primitive goat herders had to prove it's illusive existence? thousands of years and still NADA! You believe knowledge and education is stupid because that's exactly what your church wishes you to believe, religion is anti-knowledge because knowledge leads to skeptism of such follies. And religion is a folly.
Theists never answer questions because they have all the answers and their answer explains NOTHING...what is it again? oh that's right 'god did it' except god doesn't kill, mame, murder, rape, created diseases, evil ect ect...that's who? oh that's right, Satan *rolls eyes* You will be a prisoner for life, and that is your path good one!
Satan?!!! And you blame him for all the evil in the world?? HAHAHAHA!! You are really innocent!! LOL!!!
Aren't we the one who welcomed evil in the first place? Aren't we the one who abused the gift of freedom in the first place?
God never allows those things to happen! Because of His love, We demanded for our freedom, and now we are angry with the One who loved us enough to give it to us. God doesn't stop a lot of things that cause him torture because of our gift of freedom that's now abused.
Sorry oz but the eve eating of the apple is about as believable as the grinch stealing xmas. And don't bother preaching 'god' doing X and Y reads like 'and little red riding hood spoke to the wolf who was disguised as her grandmother LOL.
It doesn't need to be a fact because it is the truth. Truth in such a way that our first sin was being disobedient... and the proof? "I'm talkin 'bout that man in the mirror! (oh yeah!)"
If it the truth then you have evidence to support it yeah? and not hearsay or anecdotes or personal testimony, that isn't the kind of robust evidence that stands up to scrutiny. Of course you don't have evidence :D just alot of tall tales and fables, you poor poor thing, must be hard grasping onto AIR!
Evidence? I just said it! "I'm talking 'bout that man in the mirror! (oh yeah!)"
Like what I said, not all truth needs to be a fact? And why asking a fact when it is not needed when all you need is faith? Did you even understand the depths of faith from the facts? NO! Because you're an atheist. Personal testimony? Oh please!
And why judge something when you don't even bother of knowing? You're even wrong about evil! And now you're justifying that there's no God!! Oh please!!!
My Atheism doesn't come from a position of religious ignorance, in fact i was a theist once, the deeper i read into the bible the more convinced i became of it's utter dishonesty. I could quote all day the disgusting morally reprehensible 'stuff' the bible condones, rape, murder, genocide, infanticide, slavery, torture and so much more it's depraved! Catholics especially have NO right to even speak on humanity and the issue of life!
Again, do you expect the lives in the Bible perfect? What are they? "Catholics have NO right to even speak on humanity and the issue of life!" If so, who are you?
And go... feel free to quote ALL!! Hehehe... And after you quote all, tell me...
I'm not a person professing morality based on a moral code so out of touch with today it isn't even a joke anymore. I am not someone who claims some divine right to tell others how to live their lives and yet the code and deity by which they follow is far less morally or ethically mature than most people living in some outback buttfucksville town with one phone and a lame horse. :D
And now, you are lost! Why? Read your comment. Your words are very far from the message of scriptures and God. You see, you're a person who judge immediately without applying knowledge and without seeking a person who knows the scriptures better than you do. You judge that God doesn't exist when you are not really thinking about your own human limitations. Science only has a hypothesis made by human beings.
"Morality based on a moral code so out of touch with today" - and what are they??
Do you even know what a hypothesis is? You being able to communicate online with someone from another country in seconds is a hypothesis? NO DUDE it's FACT and it's thanks to science, try praying to your god for the same results, now that's wishful thinking. Do you use a car? do you use any type of transport, listen to music via radio, you USE science everyday and think this is all just a BIG MAYBE? your religion is a BIG MAYBE and a hypothesis.
Sure? HAHAHA! Religion is a hypothesis? My gosh! How limited! HAHAHA! You're right, thanks to science for making things easy. BUT thanks to the One who made mysteries as a sign of love as a driver in helping us develop the sphere that is SCIENCE.
Plus, I don't post words that are not familiar. Do you even know the difference between hypothesis and theory?
God is a human concept and an unproven hypothesis :D if you had a brain you would know what a hypothesis is :D. As for science, it has proven itself over and over again, otherwise someone as stupid as you wouldn't be able to communicate on a computer or drive a car, or do many things that it takes science not god to do :D poor poor religious fool, go about your delusional life and your invisible non-existent god, whatever makes you poor poor fellows feel good ROFLMAO!
God exist before time and God moves beyond human intelligence and limitations. Science has proven itself because of God's loving mysteries. Plus, God is not a hypothesis, you don't even know the difference between hypothesis and theory. HAHAHA!!!! Because of God, there's science. And please, delusional? Is it you atheist who judge that God doesn't exist while not thinking about HUMAN LIMITATIONS? Who are you? are you equal with God? hahaha!!! How ignorrant, arrogant, and daft!! HAHAHA!!!!
ROFLMAO! Appeal to belief = fallacy. Shiva exists, Ganesh exists, Odin exists, Tangaroa exists whatever it ALL exists right? Prove Tangaroa doesn't exist prove all these other deities don't exist and yours does HEHEHEHE. This is why appealing to belief is a fallacy, a positive claim without a shred of evidence, you are basically fucked :D
HAHAHAHA!!!! "Shiva exists, Ganesh exists, Odin exists, Tangaroa exists whatever it ALL exists right?" - And you're asking me these things?? HAHAHA!!! Use your scientific powers to prove them! HAHAHAH!!!!! Belief=fallacy? HAHAHA!!!
I expect a perfect being to write a perfect book, the bible is far from perfect, condoning rape, murder, infanticide, genocide, slavery, biggotry, racism, this is no divine being this is the stuff of a bunch of goat herding dumbass men with psychotic behaviourial problems. Diseases, wars, famines, disasters, extinction, when does the love and understanding kick in? oh that's right the watered down version of what DOESN'T take place in the bible is what YOU suggest ROFLMAO!
Read the 10 commandments, Mr. Judge. Also, read about the teachings of Jesus. WOW! You really read the whole Bible that you missed many BIG IMPORTANT THINGS!! You are REEEEAALLY LOST!! And excuse me, did God wrote the Bible? If not, why are you expecting it to be perfect. Plus, how can the scriptures be perfect when it speaks about the lives of HUMAN BEINGS (which aren't perfect) and God. GOSH, where is your proof about you having great reading comprehension?
Ten commandments come from the code of humurabi, in fact the code was far more detailed and advanced and is pagan NOT judeo xtian. Jesus was clearly insane and a liar IF he ever at all lived, which is highly speculative. God as portrayed in the bible is far from perfect let alone the complete utter sociopathic humans. Just face it, it's a big bullshit story made up by a bunch of goat herding arsebackwards guys still appealing to arsebackwards people like YOU for example hehehe.
Did you understand the code or not?? Plus, did you even undersood the 10 commandments or not?? Ok Mr. Judge, compare and contrast both ancient text from the sacred text, can you tell me the difference if you really understood it?
Understand a simplistic thing like abraham borrowing from pagan law? OF COURSE I DO NUTTER! How complex can the 10 commandments be? I prefer other codexes to be honest, you see, 'no murder' didn't start with the bible, even though your god contradicts itself and requests goat herders go murder, rape and pillage. MANY societes, tribes had concepts like this because it simply kept a peaceful society, it is COMMON SENSE.
common sense? HA! Do you think that's enough? You don't even speak latin and hebrew, and now you're talking about understanding the complexity of the scriptures by just COMMON SENSE? HA! No wonder!
You speak neither latin, hebrew/aramaic nor greek. The bible isn't complex, it was written by tards, is poorly written probably the worst example of old literature available today. MORE ADVANCED civilizations wrote way more complex ancient literature, sorry but the bible? ROFLMAO you've never read the Veda's have you. DUMBASS redneck
True, I speak neither of those BUT I was taught to understand the Bible by the people who knows how to speak those dead language. How about you? I wonder... HAHAHA!!! If the scripture is not complex, why are we arguing about it? DUH!!!
Guess what mate, hebrew ain't a dead language. Why are we arguing about the bible being written by a bunch of kids? It's you who is arguing, i'm just telling you like it is. It isn't very complex or advanced, most of what's in it is borrowed from much older civilisations, Noahs story for one comes from the Enuma Elish, epic of Gilgamesh circa 1700 bce, story of adam and eve first told in ethiopian myth and lore very old. How's that for 'understanding' the bible.
No, we are arguing, post-to-post, comment-to-comment. Does it need to be advanced in order to be complex? Duh! And have you read about Enuma Elis, same as the code in the previous post. Compare and contrast Mr Judge!
ozdrive: it is of my professional opinion that you are a delusional crazed fuckwad who doesn't make any sense and laughs about the stupidest shit ever. You make no points, you are all over the fucking place like your dog pissed and shit on your breakfast. I don't know what else to say but, get the fuck off my planet if you don't like it!
your planet? HA! You're always whining about the arguments. I have noticed that you are always turning around like a merry-go-round. An why use terms like "fuck" when it is already understood to say "get off my planet"? You're wasting energy.
And did I say I don't like your planet? I really am enjoying it.... hehehe...
What question would that be? Why is it theists never answer questions? OH i know! they can't so being vague, obscure, verbose without a point and providing no evidence is what Jesus taught you *snickers*
And explain to me why you are capable of judging the world?
"Who do people turn to when things goes wrong?" GOD. But why blame him when it is in fact by our own abusive usage of our independence that everything went wrong in the first place?
Theists do not answer questions? Oh please, you did not even answer mine!
I will criticize and judge and scrutinize ANY organization be it political, religious or otherwise, who profess to know EVERYTHING and claim to possess absolute truths, this includes imaginary things like God(s)
Judge the world? are you the world are you? i don't think so, and not once did i 'judge the world' whatever that means, except in your marginal theist brain.
As for your last sentence, that doesn't make sense, surprise surprise.
You did not get it do you? If you have the capacity to judge God, you have the capacity yto judge the world! And you said that I am the world HA! Im just part of it. WE ARE THE WORLD! And youre claiming that being an atheist has intellectual freedom! HA! You already have minus points in my record.
Ok Mr. Judge, by what criteria do you base your judgements?
You clearly are an idiot, I don't believe in god, GOD DOES NOT EXIST..so me judging some non-existent being is not judging the world that is a whole different issue. If you are unable to think outside the marginal shithole world you live in, it's not my problem :D
LOL what criterian i base my judgments, the criteria that for thousands of years still theists have not been able to provide ANY evidence that your idiotic fantasy guy from a primitive age even exists, and thus YES i will criticize and scrutinize and make fun of something ridiculous. That is FREEDOM sir!
Again: in order to judge the world, you mustknow, understand, absorb, and reflect all thoughts, reasons, acts, intentions of every human person, and every fabric of history from the present to the 1st civilization of human history! And now, do you have that capacity to judge, criticize something ridiculous? Wow Mr. Judge, you really have all the evidence! Does freedom provides you of these keys? NO! Even if you will try-that is what I call HUMAN LIMITATIONS Mr Judge. Critical thinking? HA!
You are so lost! And you are leveling God by being just plain HUMAN. How pity!! God is not human, He is eternal and omnipotent, and is beyond human or any other intelligence. And who are we to judge which is good and which is evil (this is not about sin) that are happening? Aren't we human? Full of limitations? If you don't believe in God, why are you proving that He is wrong??
KILLING??? Are you not reading my previous comments??
And that statement doesn't make any sense because as per usual it's from an idiot theist that likes to discuss fairies with the same sincereity as the existence of the sun.
Funny i was watching a pro-choice video where an abortion clinic nurse was talking about the idiot profilers that police were profiling...they claimed most are MALE, single, aged between 18 and 45, have weird voyeuristic ideas and like to watch pregnant women go in and out of abortion clinics because that's the closest they will ever get to a woman they know has had sex. What LOSERS!
Jane Roe is a lying ugly old bitch, she was a liar then she is a liar now, how this piece of trash born again dirt bag can even show her face is incredible. Psychopaths aren't aware of the consequences it seems, they have no remorse. She is very suited to being a born again loon, because most born agains are usually sociopaths.
cosmicmutty: Ms. Jane Roe is talking WITH EXPERIENCE, MIND YOU. And now you're talking without thinking and without understanding the BIG PICTURE. My gosh!
WHAT EXPERIENCES? she LIED about being raped she LIED about having an ABORTION she LIED AND LIED AND NOW Jane the LYING WHORE has joined the Church of LYING WHORES! she has experience as a LIAR!
Whether if she lied or not, it does not erase the fact that she wanted to have an abortion.
If all of it are lies, then Roe vs. Wade is not real. But it happened, so it was not a lie. It was part of history, and it was part of Ms. Roe's journey to the TRUTH.
"Church of lying whores"? How dirty is your mouth. If that is the kind of church our church is, what more is your beliefs and understandings in everything?
Who are you to have power and superiority of knowing everything?
Roe was a lying whore and that's it, she got knocked up and kept adopting kids out and then lied about being raped. she is a sociopath and now has found her true calling, the Temple of Sociopaths aka Christianity. She had a good book 'the bible' to help perfect her inability to tell the truth. How befitting such a screwed up woman would join christianity, you guys get all the lowly riff raff on both ends of the spectrum. Soon religion will be obsolete, HEHE!
"Who are you to have power and superiority of knowing everything?"
LOL! i can't believe a religious freak is asking me who i am to have the power and superiority of knowing everything. You all are delusional and dangerous nutters...i wish you all fucked off of my planet!
"Who are you to have power and superiority of knowing everything?" Do you know everything? Can you fill a bucket with the Pacific Ocean and all the 7 seas? Who are you?
ANSWER!! IT IS NOT RELIGION, it is just a question of being a human. What do you think?
"psychologist J.M. Prescott, in a cross-cultural investigation published in The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (1975), found that societies forbidding premarital sex are plagued by acts of rage, and tend to have higher rates of crime and violence. Prescott also found a link between sexual repression and aggression, insensitivity, criminal behavior, and a greater likelihood of killing and torturing enemies."
I just thought I'd shatter your unrealistic fantasies of getting people to conform to your fascist, puritanical, Fundamentalist whack-job beliefs by pointing out that repressing sexual behavior, as you so advocate, only causes rage and violence, and you Fundie Fucktards don't believe in exceptions for rape/incest, do you? Either way, your "advice" falters on so many levels, it's not even funny. UP WITH CONDOMS, DOWN WITH ABSTINENCE (ONLY)!
Hello, does 8 years of rising STD's and teen pregnancy rates under FAILED Abstinence-Only Education not ring any bells? No, I guess not, since you Fundie Fucktards aren't interested in the facts, only spreading your dogma around.
"kill your baby"
Wrong, FETUS! But of course, Fundie Fucktards like you wouldn't know the difference. Hence, I'm clearly wasting my time.
Also, msm, you're quick to slam my advice, when yours results in MORE teen pregnancies and higher STD rates than the advice I give (EDUCATING teens on proper birth control/contraception), irony much? If anybody needs to rethink his indefensible positions, it's you.
Also, I'll have you know there's a REASON why your advice fails EVERY time, and MOST people inherently know it once they hit puberty, it's just that you Fundie Fucktards are completely incapable of thinking: it's called HORMONES.
It's really very easy. Don't be a whore. Don't teach your daughters to be whores. Learn about values. Pay taxes. Contribute to society. I know you hate to hear it, but it is the truth. Close the legs skanks.
And I don't judge you as a Christian...I judge you as a taxpayer....and I am sick and tired of the likes of you sucking the rest of us dry because you want the right to be irresponsible and kill your baby.
Why don't you teach your kids to have some personal responsibility rather than telling them that the govment will take care of them and kill their babies? Really, is that asking too much?
My mother wanted to abort my baby brother because she had 3 boys but never did. This baby brother if it were not for the 6 year age gap we would have been like 2 peas in a pod In the 90s we had a garbage&recycleing business that employed 20-25 people I enjoyed working with my baby brother 10 years My older half-brother left home when I was 8&another younger brother we did not get along the same Abortion robs sibblings of opprotunities&experiences of life with other sibblings.Sibblings are good
RonSafreed 1 week ago
@hepatitis I'm paintedsquid, this is my new account. Until about 20 or so weeks into the pregnancy, there is no possible way for the fetus to live and grow outside of the mother. Before that, it is more a cluster of cells than a developed human being. Nobody should have to have an unwanted child.
charcoalmadness 1 week ago
We should hear her more often on mainstream media!!!
flypejose 1 month ago
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it's an ethical question. Is it right to let a potential person commandeer a woman's body against her will? THAT is the issue. Should a pregnant woman be allowed to decide if and when to give birth? That's why we have choice, so each individual woman can decide, based on her feeling, morals, intuition, knowledge of her circumstances.
geezusispan 3 months ago
Never too late to right a wrong! Love when someone admitts they are wrong. God Bless
denimdizzy 4 months ago
I cant believe she changed her mind :( She gave women one of the most basic of human rights - control of your own body - and now she wants to take it back?? Damn... :/
paintedsquid 4 months ago 2
@paintedsquid you say you control your own body but does that imply that you have the right to kill your baby inside? Is his/her rights respected? You know... the basic right to all human being... the right to life?
hepatitis 1 month ago
I think she has to do this because of all the death threats she probably gets from pro-life lunatics. Women are not incubators you psycho son of bitches.
Fishqueen1972 6 months ago
GOD Bless you My sister Norma, And Thank you.
dewerbylhserf 7 months ago
what an amazing woman :) god bless!
andreachristine45601 10 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: an amazing woman
~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT??McCorvey lied about being raped in her court case,gave birth to the baby & put it up for adoption.Moved with her poor family to Dallas. Said she was raped again, married a man who abused her, divorcedhim, has ANOTHER baby that she GAVE to relatives. She was a drug addict, alcoholic, played w/ lesbianism.Later gave up two MORE children to adoption.She was a carnival freak show barker, broke, & depressed. shes a nutcase
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 she has only been pregnant 3 times & lied about rape once. 2 times she gave her babies to family & the other to adoption. and your whole list of things she has done wrong has changed. She has started pro-life groups & has been one of the most successful pro-life movement leaders. Now that she has met the Lord she is amazing! i agree with junder89, it is sad that we look to killing as a "treatment" to a pregnancy because of stupidity about sex. seriously- don't be silly wrap your willy!
andreachristine45601 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: & lied about rape once.
~~~~~~~~~~ Who in the hell said it was more than once , and you go the right idea......she was a white trash nutcase, she still is and her opinion of prolife means NOTHING in the law that makes it legal. Its a shame you people cant have a real hero!
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: Now that she has met the Lord she is amazing!
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That makes her nuttier than she ever was, and abortion is still legal. She is a big zero in the realm of aboriton
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: She has started pro-life groups & has been one of the most successful pro-life movement leaders.
]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What "success"?????
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: she gave her babies to family
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WRONG...., they ADOPTED THEM...
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 I honestly can't believe half the things that you are saying. i am not even sure what to say i am in shock.
andreachristine45601 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: i am not even sure what to say
~~~~~~~~~~ I didnt think you would.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 I honestly can't believe what you are saying. you called me a child abuser, uneducated, ignorant and you got unnecessarily rude. how do you expect to persuade people to agree with you on opinions or support you in debates if you can't even do it maturely or kindly.
andreachristine45601 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: and your whole list of things she has done wrong has changed.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Did I say she still does all those things??? My post regarding her was correct.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 and i whole heartedly believe that giving a child up for adoption is WAY better then killing the child!
andreachristine45601 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: i whole heartedly believe that giving a child up for adoption is WAY better then killing the child!
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All child abusers think that way.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 I AM NOT A CHILD ABUSER NOR WILL I EVER BE!!! i would never hit a single person unless they threatened my life!
andreachristine45601 8 months ago
@andreachristine45601 says: I AM NOT A CHILD ABUSER NOR WILL I EVER BE!!! i would never hit a single person
~~~~~~~~~~~ Youre dumbass think abuses ONLY consists of hitting??? Done with you. I hate people who CHOOSE to ignorant . BYE...stay stupid, prochoice thanks you!!
Sueezee1 8 months ago
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Serge1965 11 months ago
I think we as American need to start being held accountabe for our actions, abortion is necessary in some cases but with so many form of preventive actions we can take, its pitiful that someone would need an abortion
junder89 11 months ago
@junder89 says: e, its pitiful that someone would need an abortion
~~~~~~~~~ What is more pitiful is YOU saying someone shouldnt need an abortion. Who the hell do you think you are??
Sueezee1 8 months ago
what a great change, complete change of mind set, for the better
xboxsumo 11 months ago
God forgives. Good for you Norma.
davidandAim 1 year ago
A heavy burden to carry. Knowing it was her lawsuit that resulted in millions of babies being brutally murdered. If only she had this change of heart in 1970.
IndyEllen007 1 year ago
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@IndyEllen007 says: t was her lawsuit that resulted in millions of babies being brutally murdered.
~~~~~~~~ Youre an idiot. It was NOT "her" lawsuit! It was NOT about her at ALL. It was a class action suit for ALL owmen. How old are you??? Youre a LIAR. too...it isnt murder. You dont know much, do you?
Sueezee1 8 months ago
God bless you!
MtMoriahMusic 1 year ago
For shame. Hopefully her traditional Christian views land her in a traditional Christian hell for setting back 40 years of womens right progress for 1 minute of ripoff advertising. What a selfish cunt.
francoamerican66 1 year ago
I don't hate the church, I'm angry at the injustices it supports and sad at those who feel obligated to follow them in such unChristian attitudes as anti-choice radicalism and homophobia. I'm almost more sad than angry at those who are misled by genuine attempts to please God, victimized by church leadership that SHOULD know better.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
I want to take a hammer to her face and beat her to death!
fleetfeetstar 1 year ago
@fleetfeetstar STOP.......HAMMERTIME!!!! America needs more people like you.
usachad1 11 months ago
Many people in this current era are highly secular. There's nothing wrong with that; however, they permit their secular or atheistic attitudes to envelop their morality. They somehow develop an attitude of impartiality and indifference to human life. That is Fd up! Many simply resent the Catholic Church, so they take any stand which opposes the Church's view. They permit baby murder because they resent an institution! Reason shouold superced resentment, not vice versa.
SoberAllmanBrosFan 1 year ago
@SoberAllmanBrosFan Lie. NOBODY is permitting baby murder.
There is very good reason to resent the evil the Catholic church promotes, but it's a total falsehood to claim people oppose it SOLELY because of Catholicism's support. Homophobia is wrong. Sexism is wrong, Anti-choice radicalism is wrong. How the Catholic Church views them won't change that.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 It IS a flasehood! I should have said said MANY secualr types carry that resentment. It's made obvious by the massive number of cynical comments we find on pages like these. The reason I comment on that resentment is because I hear it in so many peoples' arguments, who claim that their arguments are impartial to their attitude towards the Church. I guarentee you that a huge # of pro-choice supporters hate the Catholic institution and that hate influences their arguments.
SoberAllmanBrosFan 1 year ago
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EEWWWW ugly bitch should have been aborted
david0452 1 year ago
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This is fucking bullshit.
mskillzeee 1 year ago
@oz8drive says :of all the choices in the world, why kill?
~~~~~~~~ Do you actually what ME to answer as to why 40 MILLION women a year abort ? I dont know why they do it, and its none of MY business. Why do you think its yours?
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 says: it's none of my business :p (hehehe)
It is our duty to protect life. Why? You don't have that duty? What are you? Are you an animal? uncivilized and immoral??
oz8drive 1 year ago
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@oz8drive says: Are you an animal? uncivilized and immoral??
~~~~~~~~ All animals will kill their undesirable offspring... you dont like it? Too bad.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@oz8drive says:It is our duty to protect life
~~~~~~~~~ then go fo it, sweetie...good luck! LOL
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 yeah... you too... if you care. Oops... do you??
oz8drive 1 year ago
I really don't understand why people named their pro-abortion groups pro-choice?
The reason why people choose abortion because they think they don't have a choice.
oz8drive 1 year ago
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@oz8drive says: The reason why people choose abortion because they think they don't have a choice.
~~~~~~~~~ LMFAO...WHAT??????? So, youre saying all women are ignorant and dont know they can HAVE their babies & keep them, or have them and put them up for adoption? Good god, you damned LIARS get dumber everyday!!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@oz8drive says: the reaosn why people choose abortion because they think they dont have a choice
~~~~~~~~~~~ Then why did they CHOOSE abortion?? Youre a frickin idiot. Are you saying women are so ignorant that they dont know they can have a baby and KEEP it, or have it and put it up for adoption? Where did you learn women were so stupid? From your mother???
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 duh?? of all the good choices in the world you choose to kill? duh?? It seems like a person thinks that there is no choice at all. It is a very desperate, selfish, and wrong decision. Killing is not human.
oz8drive 1 year ago
@oz8drive says: its wrong
~~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong to who? You? Youre not the judge of whats right and/or wrong for the people of the world. Mind your own uterus
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 I don't need to be a judge whether or not it is wrong or not. It is just the way it is. Kill somebody and let us see if killing is NOT wrong.
oz8drive 1 year ago
@oz8drive says: its desperate
~~~~~~~~~~ yes it is! let me tell you JUST how "desperate" it is... No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg to escape. knowledge is power and you get nowhere w/o it!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 So, are you saying that having a baby is wrong? That bringing life is a false and wrong move that you have to get rid of it? If you have enough knowledge and intelligence, you have to do better than choosing abortion.
oz8drive 1 year ago
@oz8drive says:So, are you saying that having a baby is wrong?
~~~~~~~~~~ Are YOU saying I said that?
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 If having a baby is not wrong, then why do women wants to abort babies? Because they are like "animals?" Trapped??
oz8drive 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 Ok. You said that "having a baby is not wrong."
Then don't go into abortion. DUH :p
oz8drive 1 year ago
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@oz8drive says: @Sueezee1 Ok. You said that "having a baby is not wrong"
I see thats in quotes....show me where I said that!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@oz8drive says:If you have enough knowledge and intelligence, you have to do better than choosing abortion.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats WHY women choose abortion...becauase they are intelligent. We arent white trash prolifes who have 10 kids we cant afford or dont wnat because someone told us we shouldnt abort. Thats for you whimps, with no backbone OR brains.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 said-" we arn't the white trash prolifes who have 10 kids ..someone told us we shouldn't abort.Thats for you whimps with no back bone OR brains."
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Sueezee1 , The whimps are the ones that can't take care of themselves and have unwanted pregnancies.
Those with no back bone are the ones that have abortions so they don't have to care for a baby.
And the ones with no brains are the ones to stupid to NOT GET PREGNANT if they don't want to be!!!
Their called -PRO-CHOICERS!
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 *claps hands*...BRILLIANT POST !!!!!! :)
kirstiedale3 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 Nice bitch slap on the evil sueezee!
LOL
ekajeht 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 very good!!!!!
oz8drive 1 year ago
@Sueezee1
Are you ok suezee?
Because you just took one hellva BITCH SLAP!!!
ekajeht 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 Owh?? "Women are choosing abortion because they are intelligent." WOW!!! What a sentence to end my day. HAHAHA!!! (Actually, I'm really laughing right now!!)
wheew... Anyway, that's the most dumbest thing I've ever heard! Killing - an intelligent choice??!! WAAAAH!!!!! What have you done to yourself lately? Killing people?? HAHA!!! MY GOSH!!!!!! HAHAHA!!!!
People do not need abortion. We need DISCIPLINE. That is an intelligent and right choice.
oz8drive 1 year ago
Ive never heard of a mother regretting having her baby no matter conceived or even disabled, but the pro lifers seem to have found thousands of women all regretting there abortions.
A human sperm inside an human egg is alive and human at conception.
MrRichymil 1 year ago
@MrRichymil says: but the pro lifers seem to have found thousands of women all regretting there abortions.
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LOl, I know, isnt that amazing? Actaully thay probably know NO one who regrets it, its just that they believe if somoene did have an abortion, that they SHOULD regret it. These people arent too bright
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 says="no one regrets it"
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You tell em sueezee!
Infact, why don't you post a vid of all your bottled fetuses to show how you are so proud of your abortions.
Make sure to get a close up of the one of your daughter with the scissors through her head.
That is your favorite isn't it?
So easy to murder when you are so full of hate for your victim eh, sueezee?
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht i second that motion!
oz8drive 1 year ago
@MrRichymil says:Ive never heard of a mother regretting having her baby
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any smart women wold NEVER.....NEVER mention not wanting her child AFTER its born, you fruitcake!!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
"Well I fought and got the right for me to choose, but since I grew old and found Jesus I want to take that away from the females of future generations."
MrBlackfish011 1 year ago 2
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@MrBlackfish011 says: "Well I fought and got the right for me to choose, but since I grew old and found Jesus I want to take that away from the females of future generations
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LOl, that was priceless!!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
All human life, well then I guess she should advocate for the banning of tanning and all exercise since human life is being destroyed there on the cellular level.
HearingEveryRhyme 1 year ago 2
McCorvey lied about being raped in her court case,gave birth to the baby & put it up for adoption.Moved with her poor family to Dallas. Said she was raped again, married a man who abused her, divorcedhim, has ANOTHER baby that she GAVE to relatives. She was a drug addict, alcoholic, played w/ lesbianism.Later gave up two MORE children to adoption.She was a carnival freak show barker, broke, & depressed. She was a frickin fruitcake!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
Funny how someone so idiotic can do something so good.
Slipppppers 1 year ago
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Jane Roe was a stupid bitch to begin with, pro-choice or anti-choice. I wouldn't take ANYTHING she said seriously...she's now found her vocation, christianity, which is renowned for being full of shit.
CosmicMutty 1 year ago 2
@CosmicMutty The last part depends on who you talk to. I always recommend that people read what Christ said in the Bible. That is what Christianity is supposed to be. Then you can judge whether or not it's full of whatever you think it's full of.
jrichard1977 1 year ago
35 years after the Supreme Court legalized abortion in the US, abortion rates are at their lowest level in 3 decades
Guttmacher Institute's 2005 survey- the abortion rate fell 9% in 5 years, to 19.4 abortions for every 1,000 women; the 1.2 million abortions in 2005 numbered 25% fewer than the high of 1.6 million in 1990 > That would seem to be good news, whether you view abortion as evil, a necessary evil, or a routine medical procedure no more morally troubling than a tooth extraction.
Diannakw 2 years ago
damn if i invent a time machine i will go back in time and make her mom get an illegal abortion. Now that's irony.
kingleealee 2 years ago
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@kingleealee says: damn if i invent a time machine i will go back in time and make her mom get an illegal abortion.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Its nice to hear youre PRO CHOICE!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
I am totally confused. People sing her praises because she is a conservative Christian...
... but Norma McCorvey (aka Jane Roe) is a lesbian. Look it up on Wikipedia and also in her book.
So you can be both??
jeanne6471 2 years ago
How many people like Tim Tivo are not living today, just due to the deceiving tactics from pro abortion institutions. How many women can change their mind about abortion, if only they are offer, first a conversation about all the risk of the procedure, The possibility of never having an other baby again, the psychological problems that most women experience for years after the abortion, and if an ultra sound was offered. Think about it.
elagentenumerouno 2 years ago
She went through all that trouble to legalize abortion but went on to have the baby, millions of babies and thousands of women die from abortions and doctors are murder for doing the abortions, does she ever stop and think this is all started with her to scared to take on her responsiblity,
momoftwo9597 2 years ago
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momoftwo9597 2 years ago
nigger...
youdid211 2 years ago
Bible is the worst written book ever, the koran and torah is next. Simply horrible stuff and you expect anyone with a brain to believe this biggest bullshit story of all? HAHAHAHHAA!!!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Those who accept the fact that they have human limitations are the people I expect to believe in God. Those who seeks for the truth beyond understanding, and those who are more intelligent to believe that beyond everything and all the physical and visible things in this world, there is SOMETHING MORE are the people who believe that God is here.
oz8drive 2 years ago
What a load of crap, you are so talking out of your arse.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
No because in order for that statement God is the world to be true, one has to have faith that firstly such a god exists which i don't. Thus the statement is in itself faith based and is appeal to belief making it a fallacy and a crock of shit. That is FREEDOM Sir! This is critical thinking, something that puts the fear of reality into the minds of dishonest theists.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
yahoomoderator... my other account... hehehe...
oz8drive 2 years ago
If he owns our lives as you claim then he made ONE BIG FUCKUP, this more like the creation of a temp with a bad attitude and not some 'intelligent designer' as Carlin would put it. If god was a CEO of ANY company he would be imprisoned for life or put to death, SIMPLE. Who do people turn to when shit goes wrong? that's right, the person 'in charge' I love the intellectual freedom and fresh air of being an Atheist, no down trodden idiotic theistic neediness need apply.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
So, you're judging God AGAIN! WOWOWOW!!!!
Ok, let's see here...
Explain to me why you are capable of judging God?
And explain to me why you are capable of judging the world?
There's no such thing as God as a CEO, and even if you use "if" it will not apply for God is GOD, and CEO is just a human with limitations.
"Who do people turn to when things goes wrong?" GOD. But why blame him when it is in fact by our own abusive usage of our independence that everything went wrong in the first place?
oz8drive 2 years ago
God is mans invention, god is man. We made god in our own image :D God doesn't exist, never did, biggest lie ever told and the lie continues. I'm sure it started out with the best intentions, you know primitive minds seeking explanations and such, but the god concept is gaining more skeptics and less converters, educating people does that so i push for more inquisitive minds, knowledge and education for a better brighter religion free future :D
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Wow, you're twisting it! But just answer the question!
Plus: God is man? If I made a popsicle stick, would it be considered a man? HAHAHA!!!! That's stupid! ;'D
God has no beginning and has no end.
We humans are so stupid. Our knowledge is limited, even today!... and yet we conclude that God does not exist without opening our hearts. I know you did not open your heart, I can see it. And your words about "God-does-not-exist" is totally GARBAGE. OPEN YOUR HEART!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
Okay your popsicle stick analogy makes about as much sense as your belief. Which is ZERO. God doesn't exist dude get over it, how long has primitive goat herders had to prove it's illusive existence? thousands of years and still NADA! You believe knowledge and education is stupid because that's exactly what your church wishes you to believe, religion is anti-knowledge because knowledge leads to skeptism of such follies. And religion is a folly.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Sorry... OPEN YOUR HEART!!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
Open your mind and free yourself from the tyranny of religion! Become liberated in yourself open your eyes!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Why? Why will I not dwell on the truth that have set me free?
OPEN YOUR HEART!!
BTW: You did not answer the question...
oz8drive 2 years ago
Theists never answer questions because they have all the answers and their answer explains NOTHING...what is it again? oh that's right 'god did it' except god doesn't kill, mame, murder, rape, created diseases, evil ect ect...that's who? oh that's right, Satan *rolls eyes* You will be a prisoner for life, and that is your path good one!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Satan?!!! And you blame him for all the evil in the world?? HAHAHAHA!! You are really innocent!! LOL!!!
Aren't we the one who welcomed evil in the first place? Aren't we the one who abused the gift of freedom in the first place?
God never allows those things to happen! Because of His love, We demanded for our freedom, and now we are angry with the One who loved us enough to give it to us. God doesn't stop a lot of things that cause him torture because of our gift of freedom that's now abused.
oz8drive 2 years ago
Sorry oz but the eve eating of the apple is about as believable as the grinch stealing xmas. And don't bother preaching 'god' doing X and Y reads like 'and little red riding hood spoke to the wolf who was disguised as her grandmother LOL.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
It doesn't need to be a fact because it is the truth. Truth in such a way that our first sin was being disobedient... and the proof? "I'm talkin 'bout that man in the mirror! (oh yeah!)"
oz8drive 2 years ago
Claiming a myth is the truth is being deliberately misleading and dishonest, but hey what would one expect from christians and the like.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Sorry, it is the truth! The proof of the truth? "I'm talking 'bout that man in the mirror! (oh yeah!)"
You did not answer the question!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
If it the truth then you have evidence to support it yeah? and not hearsay or anecdotes or personal testimony, that isn't the kind of robust evidence that stands up to scrutiny. Of course you don't have evidence :D just alot of tall tales and fables, you poor poor thing, must be hard grasping onto AIR!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Evidence? I just said it! "I'm talking 'bout that man in the mirror! (oh yeah!)"
Like what I said, not all truth needs to be a fact? And why asking a fact when it is not needed when all you need is faith? Did you even understand the depths of faith from the facts? NO! Because you're an atheist. Personal testimony? Oh please!
And why judge something when you don't even bother of knowing? You're even wrong about evil! And now you're justifying that there's no God!! Oh please!!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
My Atheism doesn't come from a position of religious ignorance, in fact i was a theist once, the deeper i read into the bible the more convinced i became of it's utter dishonesty. I could quote all day the disgusting morally reprehensible 'stuff' the bible condones, rape, murder, genocide, infanticide, slavery, torture and so much more it's depraved! Catholics especially have NO right to even speak on humanity and the issue of life!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Again, do you expect the lives in the Bible perfect? What are they? "Catholics have NO right to even speak on humanity and the issue of life!" If so, who are you?
And go... feel free to quote ALL!! Hehehe... And after you quote all, tell me...
oz8drive 2 years ago
I'm not a person professing morality based on a moral code so out of touch with today it isn't even a joke anymore. I am not someone who claims some divine right to tell others how to live their lives and yet the code and deity by which they follow is far less morally or ethically mature than most people living in some outback buttfucksville town with one phone and a lame horse. :D
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
And now, you are lost! Why? Read your comment. Your words are very far from the message of scriptures and God. You see, you're a person who judge immediately without applying knowledge and without seeking a person who knows the scriptures better than you do. You judge that God doesn't exist when you are not really thinking about your own human limitations. Science only has a hypothesis made by human beings.
"Morality based on a moral code so out of touch with today" - and what are they??
oz8drive 2 years ago
Do you even know what a hypothesis is? You being able to communicate online with someone from another country in seconds is a hypothesis? NO DUDE it's FACT and it's thanks to science, try praying to your god for the same results, now that's wishful thinking. Do you use a car? do you use any type of transport, listen to music via radio, you USE science everyday and think this is all just a BIG MAYBE? your religion is a BIG MAYBE and a hypothesis.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Sure? HAHAHA! Religion is a hypothesis? My gosh! How limited! HAHAHA! You're right, thanks to science for making things easy. BUT thanks to the One who made mysteries as a sign of love as a driver in helping us develop the sphere that is SCIENCE.
Plus, I don't post words that are not familiar. Do you even know the difference between hypothesis and theory?
oz8drive 2 years ago
God is a human concept and an unproven hypothesis :D if you had a brain you would know what a hypothesis is :D. As for science, it has proven itself over and over again, otherwise someone as stupid as you wouldn't be able to communicate on a computer or drive a car, or do many things that it takes science not god to do :D poor poor religious fool, go about your delusional life and your invisible non-existent god, whatever makes you poor poor fellows feel good ROFLMAO!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
God exist before time and God moves beyond human intelligence and limitations. Science has proven itself because of God's loving mysteries. Plus, God is not a hypothesis, you don't even know the difference between hypothesis and theory. HAHAHA!!!! Because of God, there's science. And please, delusional? Is it you atheist who judge that God doesn't exist while not thinking about HUMAN LIMITATIONS? Who are you? are you equal with God? hahaha!!! How ignorrant, arrogant, and daft!! HAHAHA!!!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
ROFLMAO! Appeal to belief = fallacy. Shiva exists, Ganesh exists, Odin exists, Tangaroa exists whatever it ALL exists right? Prove Tangaroa doesn't exist prove all these other deities don't exist and yours does HEHEHEHE. This is why appealing to belief is a fallacy, a positive claim without a shred of evidence, you are basically fucked :D
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA!!!! "Shiva exists, Ganesh exists, Odin exists, Tangaroa exists whatever it ALL exists right?" - And you're asking me these things?? HAHAHA!!! Use your scientific powers to prove them! HAHAHAH!!!!! Belief=fallacy? HAHAHA!!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
If you can't, you have human limitations...
oz8drive 2 years ago
I expect a perfect being to write a perfect book, the bible is far from perfect, condoning rape, murder, infanticide, genocide, slavery, biggotry, racism, this is no divine being this is the stuff of a bunch of goat herding dumbass men with psychotic behaviourial problems. Diseases, wars, famines, disasters, extinction, when does the love and understanding kick in? oh that's right the watered down version of what DOESN'T take place in the bible is what YOU suggest ROFLMAO!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Read the 10 commandments, Mr. Judge. Also, read about the teachings of Jesus. WOW! You really read the whole Bible that you missed many BIG IMPORTANT THINGS!! You are REEEEAALLY LOST!! And excuse me, did God wrote the Bible? If not, why are you expecting it to be perfect. Plus, how can the scriptures be perfect when it speaks about the lives of HUMAN BEINGS (which aren't perfect) and God. GOSH, where is your proof about you having great reading comprehension?
oz8drive 2 years ago
Ten commandments come from the code of humurabi, in fact the code was far more detailed and advanced and is pagan NOT judeo xtian. Jesus was clearly insane and a liar IF he ever at all lived, which is highly speculative. God as portrayed in the bible is far from perfect let alone the complete utter sociopathic humans. Just face it, it's a big bullshit story made up by a bunch of goat herding arsebackwards guys still appealing to arsebackwards people like YOU for example hehehe.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Did you understand the code or not?? Plus, did you even undersood the 10 commandments or not?? Ok Mr. Judge, compare and contrast both ancient text from the sacred text, can you tell me the difference if you really understood it?
oz8drive 2 years ago
Understand a simplistic thing like abraham borrowing from pagan law? OF COURSE I DO NUTTER! How complex can the 10 commandments be? I prefer other codexes to be honest, you see, 'no murder' didn't start with the bible, even though your god contradicts itself and requests goat herders go murder, rape and pillage. MANY societes, tribes had concepts like this because it simply kept a peaceful society, it is COMMON SENSE.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
common sense? HA! Do you think that's enough? You don't even speak latin and hebrew, and now you're talking about understanding the complexity of the scriptures by just COMMON SENSE? HA! No wonder!
oz8drive 2 years ago
You speak neither latin, hebrew/aramaic nor greek. The bible isn't complex, it was written by tards, is poorly written probably the worst example of old literature available today. MORE ADVANCED civilizations wrote way more complex ancient literature, sorry but the bible? ROFLMAO you've never read the Veda's have you. DUMBASS redneck
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
True, I speak neither of those BUT I was taught to understand the Bible by the people who knows how to speak those dead language. How about you? I wonder... HAHAHA!!! If the scripture is not complex, why are we arguing about it? DUH!!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
Guess what mate, hebrew ain't a dead language. Why are we arguing about the bible being written by a bunch of kids? It's you who is arguing, i'm just telling you like it is. It isn't very complex or advanced, most of what's in it is borrowed from much older civilisations, Noahs story for one comes from the Enuma Elish, epic of Gilgamesh circa 1700 bce, story of adam and eve first told in ethiopian myth and lore very old. How's that for 'understanding' the bible.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
No, we are arguing, post-to-post, comment-to-comment. Does it need to be advanced in order to be complex? Duh! And have you read about Enuma Elis, same as the code in the previous post. Compare and contrast Mr Judge!
oz8drive 2 years ago
and, yes... i've heard about Veda... History and social studies class 5 years ago in High School... Love that subject!
oz8drive 2 years ago
Heard and KNOWING are two different things.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Do you want me to use KNOW? I can use KNOW, you know. HAHAHA!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
ozdrive: it is of my professional opinion that you are a delusional crazed fuckwad who doesn't make any sense and laughs about the stupidest shit ever. You make no points, you are all over the fucking place like your dog pissed and shit on your breakfast. I don't know what else to say but, get the fuck off my planet if you don't like it!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
your planet? HA! You're always whining about the arguments. I have noticed that you are always turning around like a merry-go-round. An why use terms like "fuck" when it is already understood to say "get off my planet"? You're wasting energy.
And did I say I don't like your planet? I really am enjoying it.... hehehe...
oz8drive 2 years ago
What question would that be? Why is it theists never answer questions? OH i know! they can't so being vague, obscure, verbose without a point and providing no evidence is what Jesus taught you *snickers*
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Answer this:
Explain to me why you are capable of judging God?
And explain to me why you are capable of judging the world?
"Who do people turn to when things goes wrong?" GOD. But why blame him when it is in fact by our own abusive usage of our independence that everything went wrong in the first place?
Theists do not answer questions? Oh please, you did not even answer mine!
oz8drive 2 years ago
I will criticize and judge and scrutinize ANY organization be it political, religious or otherwise, who profess to know EVERYTHING and claim to possess absolute truths, this includes imaginary things like God(s)
Judge the world? are you the world are you? i don't think so, and not once did i 'judge the world' whatever that means, except in your marginal theist brain.
As for your last sentence, that doesn't make sense, surprise surprise.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
You did not get it do you? If you have the capacity to judge God, you have the capacity yto judge the world! And you said that I am the world HA! Im just part of it. WE ARE THE WORLD! And youre claiming that being an atheist has intellectual freedom! HA! You already have minus points in my record.
Ok Mr. Judge, by what criteria do you base your judgements?
oz8drive 2 years ago
You clearly are an idiot, I don't believe in god, GOD DOES NOT EXIST..so me judging some non-existent being is not judging the world that is a whole different issue. If you are unable to think outside the marginal shithole world you live in, it's not my problem :D
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
LOL what criterian i base my judgments, the criteria that for thousands of years still theists have not been able to provide ANY evidence that your idiotic fantasy guy from a primitive age even exists, and thus YES i will criticize and scrutinize and make fun of something ridiculous. That is FREEDOM sir!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Again: in order to judge the world, you mustknow, understand, absorb, and reflect all thoughts, reasons, acts, intentions of every human person, and every fabric of history from the present to the 1st civilization of human history! And now, do you have that capacity to judge, criticize something ridiculous? Wow Mr. Judge, you really have all the evidence! Does freedom provides you of these keys? NO! Even if you will try-that is what I call HUMAN LIMITATIONS Mr Judge. Critical thinking? HA!
oz8drive 2 years ago
Plus, you don't need to be an atheist to answer. Just be human.
oz8drive 2 years ago
And wow! Boasting! Boast some more an I'll laugh!! HAHAHA!!! ;'D
oz8drive 2 years ago
Plus, in other words, a fingernail is different from a cell/DNA that has human life and would form a human body.
oz8drive 2 years ago
You are so lost! And you are leveling God by being just plain HUMAN. How pity!! God is not human, He is eternal and omnipotent, and is beyond human or any other intelligence. And who are we to judge which is good and which is evil (this is not about sin) that are happening? Aren't we human? Full of limitations? If you don't believe in God, why are you proving that He is wrong??
KILLING??? Are you not reading my previous comments??
oz8drive 2 years ago
God doesn't exist, get over it!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
God exist, you just don't grasp it!
oz8drive 2 years ago
Talking to atheist is like talking to a lunatic. It is like a child asking a person to fill his bucket with the whole ocean!
oz8drive 2 years ago
And that statement doesn't make any sense because as per usual it's from an idiot theist that likes to discuss fairies with the same sincereity as the existence of the sun.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Talking to theists is like talking to a 6 year old clueless child, just clueless and absurd!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Funny i was watching a pro-choice video where an abortion clinic nurse was talking about the idiot profilers that police were profiling...they claimed most are MALE, single, aged between 18 and 45, have weird voyeuristic ideas and like to watch pregnant women go in and out of abortion clinics because that's the closest they will ever get to a woman they know has had sex. What LOSERS!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
cosmicmutty: how sad... Let us help them not to become losers. HELP and PRAY!
oz8drive 2 years ago
Jane Roe is a lying ugly old bitch, she was a liar then she is a liar now, how this piece of trash born again dirt bag can even show her face is incredible. Psychopaths aren't aware of the consequences it seems, they have no remorse. She is very suited to being a born again loon, because most born agains are usually sociopaths.
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
cosmicmutty: Ms. Jane Roe is talking WITH EXPERIENCE, MIND YOU. And now you're talking without thinking and without understanding the BIG PICTURE. My gosh!
oz8drive 2 years ago
WHAT EXPERIENCES? she LIED about being raped she LIED about having an ABORTION she LIED AND LIED AND NOW Jane the LYING WHORE has joined the Church of LYING WHORES! she has experience as a LIAR!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
Whether if she lied or not, it does not erase the fact that she wanted to have an abortion.
If all of it are lies, then Roe vs. Wade is not real. But it happened, so it was not a lie. It was part of history, and it was part of Ms. Roe's journey to the TRUTH.
"Church of lying whores"? How dirty is your mouth. If that is the kind of church our church is, what more is your beliefs and understandings in everything?
Who are you to have power and superiority of knowing everything?
oz8drive 2 years ago
Roe was a lying whore and that's it, she got knocked up and kept adopting kids out and then lied about being raped. she is a sociopath and now has found her true calling, the Temple of Sociopaths aka Christianity. She had a good book 'the bible' to help perfect her inability to tell the truth. How befitting such a screwed up woman would join christianity, you guys get all the lowly riff raff on both ends of the spectrum. Soon religion will be obsolete, HEHE!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
"Who are you to have power and superiority of knowing everything?"
LOL! i can't believe a religious freak is asking me who i am to have the power and superiority of knowing everything. You all are delusional and dangerous nutters...i wish you all fucked off of my planet!
CosmicMutty 2 years ago
You did not answer my question...
"Who are you to have power and superiority of knowing everything?" Do you know everything? Can you fill a bucket with the Pacific Ocean and all the 7 seas? Who are you?
ANSWER!! IT IS NOT RELIGION, it is just a question of being a human. What do you think?
oz8drive 2 years ago
Also,
themedicineprogram(dot)com/category/showSubcategories/Sexual_abstinence
"psychologist J.M. Prescott, in a cross-cultural investigation published in The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (1975), found that societies forbidding premarital sex are plagued by acts of rage, and tend to have higher rates of crime and violence. Prescott also found a link between sexual repression and aggression, insensitivity, criminal behavior, and a greater likelihood of killing and torturing enemies."
Headhunter004 2 years ago
(Cont'd)
I just thought I'd shatter your unrealistic fantasies of getting people to conform to your fascist, puritanical, Fundamentalist whack-job beliefs by pointing out that repressing sexual behavior, as you so advocate, only causes rage and violence, and you Fundie Fucktards don't believe in exceptions for rape/incest, do you? Either way, your "advice" falters on so many levels, it's not even funny. UP WITH CONDOMS, DOWN WITH ABSTINENCE (ONLY)!
Headhunter004 2 years ago
"Close the legs skanks."
Hello, does 8 years of rising STD's and teen pregnancy rates under FAILED Abstinence-Only Education not ring any bells? No, I guess not, since you Fundie Fucktards aren't interested in the facts, only spreading your dogma around.
"kill your baby"
Wrong, FETUS! But of course, Fundie Fucktards like you wouldn't know the difference. Hence, I'm clearly wasting my time.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
Also, msm, you're quick to slam my advice, when yours results in MORE teen pregnancies and higher STD rates than the advice I give (EDUCATING teens on proper birth control/contraception), irony much? If anybody needs to rethink his indefensible positions, it's you.
Also, I'll have you know there's a REASON why your advice fails EVERY time, and MOST people inherently know it once they hit puberty, it's just that you Fundie Fucktards are completely incapable of thinking: it's called HORMONES.
Headhunter004 2 years ago
Let us pray for LIFE!!
oz8drive 2 years ago
It's really very easy. Don't be a whore. Don't teach your daughters to be whores. Learn about values. Pay taxes. Contribute to society. I know you hate to hear it, but it is the truth. Close the legs skanks.
msm318 2 years ago
And I don't judge you as a Christian...I judge you as a taxpayer....and I am sick and tired of the likes of you sucking the rest of us dry because you want the right to be irresponsible and kill your baby.
msm318 2 years ago
Why don't you teach your kids to have some personal responsibility rather than telling them that the govment will take care of them and kill their babies? Really, is that asking too much?
msm318 2 years ago