twin otter start procedure with comedy

[mrpilot102]

So much for keeping your hands on the fuel lever until the engine stabilizes.. Guess she isn't going to pay the very expensive repair bill.

[flexairz]

@mrpilot102 She has probably enough experience with these engines to know it started properly

[mrpilot102]

@flexairz If she did know how to start it properly should would have had her hand on the fuel level. Not on the power lever, wave, back to power lever. Complacency kills. I have had the those engines rocket into the red or nipping at the red before you would have time to get your hand on that fuel lever. But thanks for letting me know she knows what she is doing.

[flexairz]

@mrpilot102 And as we could see the aircraft went up in flames due to this pilot error. NOT.

[mrpilot102]

@flexairz Quite obviously you are not a pilot. There are reasons we do procedures a certain way. If you were the owner of that plane you would not be impressed when you are having to rebuild a VERY expensive engine..get a clue guy....I could do many things wrong often but all it takes is one time for everything to go wrong..You not knowing that is why you are not a pilot.

[flexairz]

@mrpilot102 Do not assume anything. Your assumptions make you a fool. I have flown more aircraft than you can think of.

[mrpilot102]

@flexairz You're a pilot? Well that's scary seeing as you OK complacency. Hope I don't ever get on a plane with you.....Oh and BTW flight sim doesn't count as aircraft flown.

[flexairz]

@mrpilot102 Again assuming things.. Foolish.

[volkscom]

she did just fine, we were drinking just before this, it was a hoot!

[kumidaz12345]

I have been starting P&W Turboprops for 20 years and, just based on this short video, she needs some refresher training. After a period flying the same a/c and engines we all become complacent and relaxed, we all need to be reminded of why we do things in the cokpit, the cautions behind them, and the consequences of situational complacency.

[GyGergely]

Wow throttles overhead....cool

[senikle]

actually, it's late - i meant first officer....

[senikle]

very cool!!! i'm sorry some guys are buttheads and make stupid comments. i admire anyone, regardless of gender, who can fly an airplane. if i had it to do all over again, i would fight to be your second officer. best of luck.

[kvuo]

again, I only posted this video way back when because I thought it was funny the seat dropped down when she tried to adjust it. The discussion amongst REAL pilots are greatly appreciated. people who have experience with pt6's are the only people who should be commenting, really anymore.

I can get all the layman commentary from myself as an aviation buff..

[muttonize]

Don't know if I'd ever put a video up after reading comments on the end of videos, All you skid biters should get a life. Auto pilot unit? come on are you serious hahahaha, at least some of us can enjoy your stupidity.

[firaz91]

The engines require fuel to run, what is used to run the APU?

[manasacg]

@firaz91 All this commotion about planes, do you ever know wat you guys are talking about. Its a freaking DHC-6 twin otter,they don't have APU's (aux powr unit). Anyway APU's run on pneumatics and they don't need monitoring!

[Kopihucky]

start up #2 in a dhc-6-300 twin otter, pilot seat adjusts like a 32 year old aircraft should.

shouldnt the seat have been adjusted before you did anything?

[Skippy585]

I remember reading the one issue of Airways about the Twin Otter and the author claimed that the APU was in the right engine.

[Skippy585]

Do they not have a APU in one of the engines? I remember reading about the T.otter in Airways.

[GCS1992]

there is no APU in the twin otter

[Bf2MastersMaster]

does  APU stands for Auto pilot unit

[GCS1992]

APU is Auxillary Power Unit which you can find on an Embraer, Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier jet aircraft and it is an engine use while you are at the gate and then it shuts down after the main engines have started. The engine is only use as another way to get power while the engines are off.

[Bf2MastersMaster]

ty nce

[zoator]

@GCS1992 The APU is often used to start the main engines as well. Turbine engines require air pressure to get themselves to spin up and sustain themselves. This pressure is provided by the APU.

[LupusAries]

nope its the Auxillary Power Unit

[krlos116]

NO APU stands for Auxilary Power Unit , it's like a little engine to provide energy when needed

[emohunterCHCH]

with the company i work for its in the SOP to feather the prop before shutdown (45 sec before shutoff) and we leave it in feather until the temps reach a certain limit.

[mowerman437]

Bloody hell. Does anyone really care about if she did something wrong or not. She's the pilot, not any of you losers with so much time on your hands that you feel the need to be critical of someone who has a real job. Go back to playing Doom or whatever.

[fractionalflyer]

I flew for Scenic Airlines in 1998-2000. Back then the start procedure was to start the engines with the prop levers full forward. They do start either way with no real variation on startup temperature... big surprise, it's a free turbine. Since then the procedure has changed to starting them in feather... That is a company procedure so she did no wrong. My point is that if you don't work for this company then you have no real right to comment on the startup technique.

[jose2418]

wow in the moment I saw the pilot was female I knew people would say everything but bad about her, grow up assholes!

[atvman101]

@jose2418 i totally agree with you, people can be dicks sometimes

[djdecember]

yeah, its normal procedure for the props to be feathered on startup

[mgwaviator]

She also should have kept her hand on the fuel lever until the engines stabilzed in case of a hot start. Never saw her bring the props forward after disengaging the starter either. She seemed more worried about someone filming her than doing her job.

[AreaQNH870]

Perhaps it was a cold start.

[mgwaviator]

ANY turbine engine start can be a "hot start" if the wrong procedures are used, or if the engines are in need of maintenance. A hand on the fuel levers ensure that catastrophic damage wont be done if temps go beyond red line during start. Again, she should stop worring about who's watching and do her job.

[SublimeForever]

you're a tool

[mgwaviator]

that's a constructive comment to add to the discussion.

[lowiddle]

100% agree ... hand on fuel levers until ITT stabalise.

It's the first thing I've seen when watching this video !

[Ramster211]

hahaha....... i get it....

[96vfr]

nice vid... narrrgggg!

[scubaforruben]

Prop's are always in the feather position during start, unless it is below 10C AND 3000FT pressure altitude, then you would start with them full forward. Just SOP..

[qwevu]

why are the prop lever still in the feather position??

[clearancedelivery]

wow what a loose flight deck. she takes her hand off the fuel cutoff before the engines were stabelized. were i flew Twotters it was a bad work enviroment with porly maintained planes but it wasnt that bad. did they start feathered to that also is not good

[CANADIANYETI]

You fly for Ken Borek Air??

[SenorSpode]

I'm not a Twin Otter pilot, but I play one on TV...

[muz06]

Who r u saying is trying 2 convince ppl that flew otters? I never copied any1 elses comments. if I was trying 2 convince ppl, I would've gone through the whole checklist procedure.

[pilotwhoisneverhome]

I was saying that to clearancedelivery not you.

[muz06]

Oh ok no probs, lol.

[muz06]

I think ppl start the engines in feather in cooler weather because it's a hotter start than starting with them not feathered. Maybe it also depends on the company.

[qwerty3008]

Actually Muz06 you can get hotter starts with the props in fine as the FCU is introducing more fuel.

[nubfly]

lol...those seats suck! i spend more time fighting with them than flying.

[canyonair]

This was not a battery start, but an external power start and a hot start in this situation would be rare due to the rapid spool up of the gas generator. Also the temp limit for this start is actually 1090deg for 2 sec (company limit). NOT A LOOSE FLIGHT DECK. More going on here in regards to the GG Indicators and engine temp indicators than the video shows. True, hand should be on fuel condition lever but not as critical as starting with battery power.

[muz06]

I thought this was a battery start because it looked like the pilot advanced the right power lever a little 2 charge the battery. This is done so the engine is prepared 4 more load in working the generator 2 charge the battery. I also noticed the pilot take his hand quickly off the fuel lever then straight on the power lever b4 the start procedure was complete. Is it safe 2 advance the fuel lever on that quickly? I thought u spose 2 slowly advance it on as the fuel ignites.

[RichTheBlack]

Id say it is a Battery start, the annunciator panel was off prior to the master being switched on and after start the the master wasnt switched ( EXT to BATT )again before the generator was switched on. The power lever is advaned to at least 15% above idle which would give 66%Ng. It was also left advanced,Id assuming a cross generator assisted start.

[RichTheBlack]

A External power start you would normally start both engines before turning the generators on.Doing this in feather wasnt what I used to do either.

Hmmm yes the hand off the fuel requires a smack on the wrist. The Fuel Lever is on or off it gives no intermediate setting.

[Floatsforlife]

HAHAHA that was great! hahaha I wish i flew Twin Otters.

[ozzieinoz]

If the temp starts to race and looks like going above 850deg you have a two second limit to turn the fuel off. also a max touque of 68.8psi for 2 seconds as well.these problems are usually associated with a undercharged battery. left hand on start switch and right hand on fuel lever and eyes on engine instruments. always. i also had a seat drop like that on take off once right on rotation. completed the take off and initial climb on instruments.

[ozzieinoz]

I noticed that the pilot takes her hand off the fuel shutoff lever before the start was stabilised.

This was a no no in our company. pretty loose flight deck.

[kvuo]

what.. because of a hot start, fire or some other malfunction? good observation.. I never realized that..