Pat Robertson's Giuliani Compromise

[zt2211]

Absolutely, I agree completely. Great opinion video. However, you should have pointed out the fact that many "televangelists" like Robertson never touch on important subjects in the Bible(like sin, or the blood of Christ, or lifestyle lessons), and instead focus on subjects like "How to Make Yourself Feel Happy."

Anyway, thanks again. Also, despite Huck's 2nd place finish in South Carolina, I'll still support him. May God bless you!

[mikewii2]

You had the courage to say what I, and other Social Conservatives, have always kept to themselves. I would like to personally thank you for saying on YouTube what I was afraid to say myself.

PLEASE find a way to get the MSM to air your video.

It is essential to saving the core values of the Republican Party, for YOUR video to be seen and heard.

Thanks again.

Mike

[DrArbitrage]

Thank you for your support Mike. I don't think the media wants people to hear such opinions. The only way people are going to hear it is if it goes "viral". Pass it on through your list! God bless.

[mikewii2]

And Ronald Reagan WON his SECOND landslide victory back in 1984, even AFTER writing "Abortion & the Conscience of the Nation." ( I'll bet even Huckabee doesn't even know about this!)

Somehow, the Rudy's, Romney's and the "country club" Republicans keep trying to hide this aspect of Reagan's legacy from all of us (Google it).

[mikewii2]

I just saw your video on my new iPhone, and I agree with it completely.

I sure hope you can get the national media to air your video before Super Tuesday. Republicans and conservatives need to hear this point of view desperately, and stop buying into this "lesser of two evils" mentality.

Even Ronald Reagan, himself, was the ONLY President to ever pen a book, while in office called, "Abortion & The Conscience of the Nation", back in 1983.

[coolmamac]

Ron Paul is better in ALL Christian areas as compared to Huckabee. I saw Robertson speak 22 years ago. When you look into his eyes you can see he is a BS artist.

PEOPLE look up the difference between the Huchster and Paul. I was taken in by Huck, but after doing soe resaerch, I know that Paul is the better of the two.

[zybch]

You silly 'Christians' crack me up!

[win2011]

I've watched the 700 Club and admired Pat Robertson. But because of his endorsement of a pro-abortion candidate, I've changed my view of him. He may have lost his credibility as a professing Christian. I'm pretty sure he would lose a lot of his viewers. It is my hope and prayer that Mike Huckabee wins the nomination and presidency. I'm for Huckabee all the way!

[passthefire]

You speak the truth.  I like Pat and have seen him speak. But I can not understand why he did not endorce Huckabee.

[joshdamons]

Please post the link of the video, or the news site that shows that the NEA endorses Huckabee... I would be surprised if they were not endorsing Hilary or Obama.

[tttar]

I can't put the complete link here. YT deletes mesages with them.

Let's see if this goes through. Patch it together, add dots where there are spaces...

firstread msnbc msn com/

archive/2007/12/05/497082.aspx

[tttar]

That was an article about the NH NEA endorsing Huckabee. Could you see it?

And there are at least 2 YT videos where Huckabee talks to the NEA. Easy to find. He tells them that since they're so "professional" and everything, they should retire in only 28 years - at about 50, in other words. Christian mothers of course are way too stupid to be let out onto the streets so early, and need at least another 17 years like the rest of us to finally grow up.

[tttar]

joshdamons, they probably would prefer a Democrat, but shouldn't a Christian like Huckabee be WAY down their list of Republican preferences? NO WAY would they support Ron Paul.

[joshdamons]

I understand what you are saying, I am not a fan of the NEA, am a homeschooler, but I am not going to agree with any candidate 100% Never the less, I will check it out.

[tttar]

Did you see the standing ovations? Well, that's just one little example.

As far as taxes go, MH's raises and cuts resulted in a net percentage-of-income increase. He's one reason households need 2 incomes. Parents work, and kids get shuffled off to institutions. He calls it Christian, and no one even notices anything's wrong any more. Frog in the kettle...

I think you'd like Arthur Robinson's $200 K-12 curriculum. I'm sure the NEA would hate it. No job security.

[josh42271]

I agree with you.

Giulianni is a bad choice.

If he can't respect the santity of life, he wouldn't respect anything else.

You wouldn't respect your property, rights, etc.....

Mr. Huckabee is the best option.

Go Mike.

[tttar]

You're probably more passionate about this one issue than I am, but I think we should look at the whole "package", of which abortion is just one important part. Huckabee fails in so many other respects - and I've seen articles claiming that even on this issue Ron Paul has him beat, since it's just as pro-life, but more consistent with everything else he says.

Don't forget, he's delivered 4000 babies and is also a Christian.

[joshdamons]

"fails in so many other respects" like what? Every charge that exists has been answered, and Ron Paul's position on foreign policy is not acceptable.

[tttar]

"Every charge that exists"? Wow! Can you point me to a site that lists them all and rebuts them, or have you personally checked them all out?

For starters, tell me what you think of (pastor) Chuck Baldwin's articles (which I don't even need to explain to you, since you're aware of them, and the answers to them.)

He's a big liar - right?

[tttar]

joshdamons, I like Ron Paul because he lines up with the Constitution almost perfectly. His ENTIRE CAMPAIGN is basically him saying X is unconstitutional, so it must be changed.

Are you telling me Huckabee is known for this also? NO - and in that direction lie their MANY differences. Huckabee-supporting Christians are simply LYING, when they get all emotional about how important it is to them that we "get back to our roots."

[tttar]

Check out this new video on Ron Paul's pro-life stance:

watch?v=kvSuHq_TvTI

I think his idea is to not allow the federal government to decree that abortions *must* be made legal - but his Sanctity of Life Act apparently does go further by simply defining unborn life as having the same status as anyone else's.

Also Google the tragic case of Tracy Marciniak.

[tttar]

Hmm, I just found this:

Google

c2007/cbarchive_20071130.html

What does Huckabee have to say on Paul's Sanctity of Life Act? As a governor, he couldn't have voted on it (and Bush opposed it) - but has he mentioned it? I haven't seen anything yet, and Chuck Baldwin's not impressed with him.

[tttar]

...but Ron Paul - who has none of this sort of baggage - must be opposed. Because some of his supporters are obnoxious. Now there's something to explain to Jesus, when the time comes, huh? ;-)

[tttar]

Time will tell if Huckabee himself makes a "detestable compromise" if and when Giuliani gets the nomination. Ask him if that's what he plans to do in such an event. If yes - that would mean that this sin is already on his heart, and he's currently just as guilty as Robertson.

[tttar]

A few years ago, Robertson said some despicable things about forced abortion in China, which I think he was only partially able to take back. It's easy to find.

That would make a good video also. You don't want this hypocrite's endorsement.

[tttar]

Why don't you comment on the taxhikemike site?

Would Jesus do what so many have said Huckabee did?

If Huckabee represents Jesus more than Ron Paul, maybe they should call it taxhikejesus. :)

[DrArbitrage]

I think SOME Ron Paul supporters can be quite obnoxious. You may be doing Ron Paul more harm then good.

[tttar]

So obnoxious that you're going to destroy my arguments? Well - I'm sure you'd LIKE to... and that will force you to think. This can only turn out for the best. ;-)

[tttar]

Oops, sorry, I remember you now. So many Hucksterites, so little difference, they all kinda blend together after a while, and I forgot you actually seemed like you knew a few things. There's hope for people like *you* yet. :) So what does a thinking person like yourself see wrong with the good doctor? He has none of the kinds of baggage that the Huckster has to carry around.

[tttar]

*IF* you believe the Constitution is based on the Bible, and you vote for Huckabee, when Ron Paul is the only one supporting it, you're saying you hate Jesus, right?

Why are you undermining everything you've ever worked for, etc?

It sounds like you're describing Huckabee, as well as Robertson, here. ;-)

[trianglegrip]

Where does it say, that if you're a Republican, you have to be anti-abortion? If Giuliani is the Republican nominee and you don't vote for him because of his stance on abortion, you are only guaranteeing a Clinton win.

Who cares who Robertson endorses?

[DrArbitrage]

The fact that we are a pro-life party is in our platform. Our party was founded upon the belief that a human being cannot be the PROPERTY of another human. The fact that you cannot own a slave is the same reason why a mother should not be allowed to kill a baby.

[DrArbitrage]

The platitude "keep your laws off my body" is a fallacy because a baby resideing within her body does NOT mean that the baby itself is her PROPERTY to do with as she pleases. 2. You don't have to be pro-life to be a Republican. If you're pro-abortion but want to support us, fine, you have asylum in our party. BUT I am against someone who is an adversary to our fundamental platforms to run for the highest office in our nation as a Republican as it undermines our party platform.

[tttar]

If Christians had had any guts or principles, years ago they would have formed a third party and stuck with it, instead of playing this "lesser of two evils" game.

The Republicans would have come crawling to them, if they thought beating the Democrats at all costs were so important, rather than having the Christians compromise and pretend they stodd for something. Christians are as Christians do. Robertson is unfortunately a great example of that.

[tttar]

Christians always sell out to "win". What have they ever really won? They've let the government grow so much that both parents now have to work (and the system is still going bankrupt), and they sold out their children to federal babysitters, who gladly step in to pick up the slack left over from Christian former parents. But at least they get to see "their" candidate in office half the time. Some victory.

[tttar]

Check out Huckabee's fawnings at the NEA conventions. He did loosen up home schooling regulations - for those who can still afford it. He pushed "28 and out" (retirement at 50, apparently) for Christians' new secular, surrogate parents. Just like Jesus would have done - right? Do Christian parents get the same break? No, they just get to pay for it.

[DrArbitrage]

I am not against Romney because I fear he will be a bad President or that his Mormonism will prevent him being a good President. I am against it because it will be a Coup d'état used by the Mormon church to proselylize i.e. knock, knock, "would you like to learn about the faith of your President?"

[tttar]

I don't support him either, but don't really worry about that. Let them knock. I've lately been wondering if religious labels aren't almost meaningless, since the adherents have such a superficial understanding of what they're giving assent to, anyway. If they truly cared about what they believed, they'd have taken the time to understand it better, instead of playing video games.

[GTB38]

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[DrArbitrage]

Just a bit of advice. I would drop any mention of "the children" and leave that for the GENERAL- election because for most Republicans, it brings up NEGATIVE memories of the Clintons promulgating their liberl policies in the name of "the children".

[DrArbitrage]

I know it may sound crazy but at a time where some candidates are unjustly attacking the Gov as being "liberal"; leave the children out of it. Believe me, conservatives don't want government having anything to do with their children. I will be sending Huck a donation. Do they accept Paypal.

[tttar]

Hahaha, watch the Huckabee/NEA videos, and repeat that with a straight face! :)

Why did the Eagle Forum say about him, "He was pro-life and pro-gun, but otherwise a liberal," she says. "Just like Bill Clinton he will charm you, but don't be surprised if he takes a completely different turn in office."

[barnabaspark]

More reasons that I don't believe Ron Paul is right person

Ron Paul is opposed to legislation that ould protect cognitively-disabled people like Terri Schiavo from being starved to death.

Ron Paul is opposed to the enforcement of obscenity laws.

Ron Paul supports the legalization of drugs and prostitution.

[tttar]

I'm totally with you about Terry Schiavo, but that, and the other two issues, are things the states need to handle.

The best illustration for all that is that murder is not a federal crime either, although it's wrong.

All their lives, Christians tell how much they support the Constitution. Then they turn their backs on someone who finally comes along and supports it.

Apparently, they were lying all along. So why do they even keep up the appearances?

[hydroponicrose]

I like Huckabee, but I choose to support someone I believe can actually win. Romney has very similar positions, and I believe has a chance.

[DrArbitrage]

It would be a mistake in my opinion to nominate Romney. Although I agree with his purported values (in this campaign), the doctrines of Mormonism would come to light by the media after he won the nomination. Many people take at face value the specious insinuations by Romney that they are in harmoney with Christianity.

[DrArbitrage]

They are not. They deny the essential tenants of the Christian faith and once their teachings become more lucid to the average American - Romney and the Republicans will be finished.

[DrArbitrage]

The media successfully tries to paint Republicans as rascists. About 80-90% of African Americans vote Democrat and many white Democrats believe we are racsist as well (despite being the anti-slavery party, which abolished slavery while the Democrat party was PRO-SLAVERY.

[DrArbitrage]

It was hard for a - Catholic - to win the presidency for fear that he might be influenced by the Pope. How well received will a Mormon candidate be when the country learns that Mormonism says that black people are black because of a curse by God? Catholic fear was overdone in that it is one of several major denominations of Christianity. There are many more Catholics out there than Mormons.

[DrArbitrage]

In a Christian nation, how well received will it be when they learn that Mormonism teaches that our savior Jesus was Lucifer's "spirit BROTHER". Wonder why Mormons practiced poligamy? How well will women in today's America accept that women need to be married to a Mormon husband. Without a man to "lift the veil" over her face on resurrection day she won't make it.

[DrArbitrage]

They make it sound like they are in harmony with Christianity when they say things like Romny did "I believe that Jesus is the son of God". Sounds compelling. They don't tell you that they believe there are many Gods and that they too believe they will become God's of their own planets. They believe that our God was once a man like they are and that he BECAME God, as will they.

[DrArbitrage]

In a nation where the majority of people are identified with some sect of Christianity - how likely are they to vote for a candidate of a faith that is so contrary to theirs and that teaches there is no salvation outside the "Latter Day Saints" church? The media liberals will inculcate the American people with the finer poits of Mormonism especially regarding blacks and women. See my vid Governor Mike Huckabee: The Clear Choice

[hydroponicrose]

So, you are here to define what is essential to 'Christian Faith'? Oh, and when you say 'They deny'... Who's 'they'? All mormons? Do you know all 13million members of the faith? I believe that Christ is my savior. And that's the ONLY thing I see essential to being a Christian.

[DrArbitrage]

Christians believe there is only 1 God. Jesus said "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father". Mormonism teaches Jesus and the Father are different, God BECAME God and they too will be gods (with their own planets). This is not Christian and not the same God.

[hydroponicrose]

The Christians I've came across believe a lot of different things about god. Some think Christ was the son of god, some think that Christ was god, some think Christ was a prophet. Maybe Christ just looked like the Father... But it looks like you have your interpretation of your quote, I see your quote a different way.

[tttar]

Is supporting the lesser of the evils what they call "values voting"?

[atlcowboy2536]

Robertson just lost every shred of what little dignity he had left.

[kedalgreen]

I hope by Pat Robertson endorsing Giuliani that finally Pat will be totally discredited and he will stop being paraded as some kind of Christian spokesman. He is an embarrassment.

[DrArbitrage]

I understand where your coming from.  It's sad because he has done many great things in his lifetime, operation blessing, etc. Impetuous statements and actions like this endorsement causes one to question whether he is doing more harm than good. It is embarrassing.

[barnabaspark]

I as Christian can't support Ron Paul.

1.) Ron Paul believes in evolution. At the MSNBC debate in May, three candidates raised their hands when asked if they did not believe in evolution: Huckabee, Brownback, and Tancredo. Ron Paul did not.

2.) Ron Paul is opposed to the Federal Marriage Amendment and the Human Life Amdendment.

[atlcowboy2536]

Leave relegion out of it and vote for the only honest man running for president. Worry about your own salvation, vote for the salvation of our nation.

[tttar]

1. Huckabee just said he didn't know. He didn't say he necessarily supported a 6-day creation. Ron Paul would have had a similar answer.

2. Some issues are supposed to be left to the states. Murder has never been a federal crime.

[DrArbitrage]

Mass-muder, LEGALIZED infanticide certainly should be a federal crime. Our constitution protects the sanctity of life as it will not allow STATES to legalize SLAVERY; therefore it is quite specious to say that the federal government shouldn't have justification and jurisdiction to stop rogue states from saying they have the authority to legalize the outright murder of innocent babies.

[tttar]

Maybe one can make an argument that it *should* be a federal crime, but so far, I don't think it ever has been. The abolition of slavery of course didn't happen at the federal level until the 13th amendment was passed in 1865, but before then the Constitution's focus always seemed to be that the *government can't* do this or that, and not that it *should* do something.

[tttar]

You're testing the limits of my understanding, here. :)

I just went back and read through the Constitution ( usconstitution net ) . I guess the reason it isn't more explicit about what may seem obvious (like murder), is that wherever it were, you would then have two crimes for every offense, at two levels of government.

[tttar]

BTW, I noticed something very interesting. Slavery per se was never abolished. At the federal level it's still allowed if it's a punishment for a crime. I've always thought indentured servitude is infinitely better than jail, for both the victim and the criminal.

[clovercouple]

Everyone should understand by now that Robertson is a zionist, so that agenda comes first,above and beyond his "profesion of faith" his support for rudy illustrates this point...it is a very brazen and in your face move on the part of the puppet masters that are recreating the bush/kerry "two sides of one coin" voting situation with a giuliani/clinton ticket...wake up christians and smell the brimstone!

[sleuth51]

No.. as Christian I have no obligation to support a Baptist pastor. According to Chuck Baldwin we should vote for the candidate who defends the Constitution and that candidate is Ron Paul. Robertson is all wood, hay and stubble. He is worse than Balaam's ass. Tell why do you prefer Huckabee over Paul? Ron Paul is integrity personified.

[DrArbitrage]

I agree that as a Christian you do not have an obligation to support Mike Huckabee. He just happens to be MY prefered choice. I said there are other candidates(plural) - like Mike Huckabee. I disagree with Ron Paul on the issue of pulling out of Iraq and I think he comes across as too timid. If he won the nomination (which won't happen), I would certainly vote for him. Giuliani is the only Republican I won't vote for in the general election.

[sleuth51]

Why don't you talk about the $2.3 trillion debt that this stupid war is putting on our children. We invaded to enforce a UN resolution...get rid of Saddam, install a puppet government so that US oil and service companies could collect the spoil. We destroyed the economy, inflicted untold suffering and death on Iraqi people... you're pro-life - what a contradiction, duped by the silly slogan, if we don't fight them over there.. who are them? a handful of thugs imposing a $12 billion per day debt.

[DrArbitrage]

Good point Graytooth1. I think you are right in saying it is reactionary. He is impetuous and definitely jumped the gun on this. I have to wonder if he needed some attention from the networks.

[chukmaty]

Does anyone really want Robertson's endorsment. Maybe it is just because I am a northerner but Pat has very little impact.

[DrArbitrage]

Chuckmaty, I don't think most candidates are looking for Pat's endorsement. The irony is that the LIBERAL is the one who really wants it because he needs to find a way to bamboozle conservatives into thinking he has credibility on moral issues.

[110fwy]

I prefer Ron Paul to Huckabee, however I respect your opinions in this video. People, look at the issues, and vote for who you know is right! Don't cast your vote based on what a sellout like Pat Robertson tells you to do.

[wstube2007]

Excellent points, but Duncan Hunter embodies everything America needs--he's not liberal on any issue--Go Hunter...

[chukmaty]

He would make a good, though maybe too low profile, vp for Huckabee... he lacks the skill of articulation and he really has very few differences to set him apart from Huckabee.

[wstube2007]

..then you've never compared their positions on Illegal Immigration--Huck is actually worse than GWB...

[DrArbitrage]

wstube. I like Duncan Hunter. I just don't think he has the ability to win the general election. Who was the last congressman to win the presidency, Lincoln? Politics is interesting in that you usually don't get everything you want in a candidate. He is the best choice for me. 1.Huckabee believes in the sanctity of life. 2. I like his position on the national sales tax and the IRS. 3. I see Huckabee as the most likely to win the general election.

[troyg19]

Huckabee.. is not a member of the CFR... and I don;t think he's part of the New World Order.. I would vote for him... But Ron Paul (hands  down) has my vote

[troyg19]

Like I said before... The Christians are the ones most asleep in this nation today... they just refuse to believe Bush would do anything to harm this nation.. the same way Clinton did. Thus, they look the other way. I'm afraid it will take black boots breaking down their door asking for their guns or to get a microchip implant, before they wake-up.. but it will be too late then.

[tttar]

I think that's because Romans 13:1-7 appears to justify almost anything their "God-ordained" rulers do. But if and when the bigscary Beast comes on the scene, and tells them to accept his mark, they'll know to stand their ground and say No. But for almost everything up to that, they see it as their purpose in life to roll out the red carpet for him. If you support freedom, you obviously oppose God and His authority, they think.

[musicsheddcom]

I agree sir. My dad (a pastor) and I were talking about this yesterday. He even had a book called "The New World Order". I didn't get a chance to skim it yet. He lost all creditability.

[troyg19]

The New world Order is real!

However, Robertson is part of it.

Along with Bush, Cheney, Rudy, Romney, Thompson, McCain, Obama, Clinton, Edwards... Anyone thats a member of the CFR or the trilateral commission.

[abnormalphun]

Robertson is a looney. I like what you have to say about him. But dobson needs to endourse Ron Paul! :D And stop watching fox news! it'll rot your brain!

[troyg19]

Oh Lord...

May God Have mercy on this nation...

Robertson is a Mason,

I caught on to him a few years back.

Unless this man repents... he will burn in hell.

Bush and the FDA approved for the first time a Human Implantable Micro chip... (Mark of the Beast anyone?)

The Christians are the ones most asleep in this nation. Falling for Wolves in sheep clothing