Now hear this God. You may be omniscient and omnipotent old fella, but we here on planet Earth want to clue you in on a couple of things which you CAN and CANNOT do. Numble 1: die. You go dying on us and where...
Quite frankly I find the theological explanation of Monsignor George Carlin much more to the point. At least if you're going to use LOGIC and not just wave around some scatterbrained books written by unwashed maniacs who had no idea the world was round, and orbits the sun. BLASPHEMY!
@HazardExtreme you still do not comprehen that if one turns away? then Allah does not like the disbelievers......but in the TRUE GOD in christianity that God loves the sinner and even takes on human form to die for them so a work of cleansing in ones conscience be attained..a true deliverance from sins that all sinners could never attain to on their own. Please muslim put away arguement and just meditate on this for a while.
The fact that Jesus Christ the son of God whom we believe to be God incarnated in human form died and rose again. doesnt contradict in any way that God is everlasting and al powerful. As the matter of fact God's imortality and almighty power is manifested in the ressurection.
kidsarocker, so put what you said there to Jesus (I believe that it was most of the Jews in his time)? Was Jesus really the Son of David?? No and no (to what you said about Jesus' mother).
However, when you said 'Biblical', which Bible (of the two) are you speaking of? Isaac and Ishmael were brothers (I see a pattern; and that there is one God) but that the Qur-an CORRECTS! Look at the O.T and the Jewish BIBLE (changes too)!
an when you said God enter creation to die for are sins he went into jesus an died on the cross if yes your saying their the same being same person if not when did he enter in his creation answer back to my question
@Super Giving Law and punishing them as per their deeds already happened i Old testament times.IN that Law,for the remission of Sins,God ordained shedding Blood of Goats,sheep etc..Now with this criteria,still sin increased to infinity and no one is eligible to Heaven.So it was God's old plan tht he would send his son to Die on behalf of the Sin bearer.Now no need for goats,sheep.Just by believing in Jesus,and asking forgiveness,makes you pure.Let me know what's bothering u
i heard something that said something like that the people in hell will burn for all enternity for as long as God is God. so that part as long as God is God that part must me something like God could Die or that God can lose his position as God
God works in mysterious ways... was Elizabeth God (filled with the Holy Ghost; not saying that His entity can be in Earth)? God wasn't in the Burning Bush (not saying that God is Trinity of course)! Also, please see Sura 112:4.
1 Kings 8:27, I conclude, God cannot be contained... in a body! Jesus was with the fullness of God, the invisible etc... and so cannot be Him!
Islam, on His concept, is more closer to Judaism than Christianity is to Judaism; I find is to be amazing and I ask you 'why?'
@MrRamboseven islam isnothing but a plaigerised version of the judaism - and a poor one at that - face it Muhamad was a false prophet, even the Jews of his time knew this -the Quran is full of bibilical historical errors such as Moses sister is Yeshua's mother
@Min90Ra In regards to "why did he create us in the 1st place if he knew we would sin?"
That is a fair question and easy to answer. If it were possible to enter Heaven on our own merits then we would have to be perfect like God.
In order to create us perfect, we would be more like robots compelled to follow our programming.
By creating us in a fallen state, granting us freedom of choice, and paying for our sins Himself; God ends up with kids genuinely appreciative of His free gift of life
@Min90Ra Those are very good questions.God exalts Himself in revelation saying no one can expunge sin unless exactly like Me in Nature. Hence, Jesus Christ. God creating a universe having sin allowed in it, reveals God.But not by difference but by exalting Himself far above any belief by man to attain relationship with Him. No religion can achieve relationship with God. So God became a Man and as a Man in Virtue like Himself satisfied His own Nature revealing how high it is to attain unto God
Revelation 1:18 - "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
Nowhere in the Scriptures did Jesus say he did NOT die, or that his death only affects his "physical nature." That is unscriptural, and Jesus own words, 60 years AFTER his crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension refute any such claims. He clearly say he WAS dead and is alive forever more.
I am a Bible-believing Christian, and believe Islam is from Satan.
Jesus Christ is God died only in body.Jesus Christ was always One in Spirit, with Father and Spirit.The Father never forsook Son distinctly as Father, the whole God Head denied Him,His flesh and blood for sacrifice".A body You have prepared for Me". Beleivers don't understand Christ was distinct flesh and blood. A man like any man but not like any other man in every way, no contradiction. Muslim doctrine is in this distinction, refuted. Christ distinct in blood and flesh is necessary sacrifice
The Quran says God does not love all these things u posted, but it says in every chapter that God loves those who love him, will forgive them and is compassionate and merciful.. So if one loves him that carries more bearing than the whatever sins they have committed. He does not need to enter into flesh to forgive, he can just do it at will.. Christians believe God CAN only forgive those who believe Jesus died for them, no one else. They believe forgiveness only comes from sacrifice and if one
@aca28833 is unaccepting of the sacrifice he is UNABLE to forgive, whether or not he wants to. His attributes are limited as he is bond by rules. So by your def he is not the greatest being because his rules are greater than him. On the other hand in Islam to be forgiven by God u must merely believe in only Him. Not him plus the Son, plus the Holy Ghost, plus the sacrific of his son, JUST HIM.. Belief in one God is a universal concept which the majority of world religions share, ex. Jews,
@aca28833 Zoroastrians, Muslims, etc. Forgiveness in Christianity is limited to a narrow concept which only Christians believe, while in Islam forgiveness is based upon a general concept which most religions believe.
@jefkata he did die,in the FLESH,to fulfill the law + the scriptures.The law can not be fulfilled unless innocent blood is shed.NOBODY was/has ever been sinless;not evn a new born baby;ONLY JESUS WAS PERFECT.God had to be born of flesh in order to actually be under the law in order to fulfill the law.
But when the fulness of the time was come,God sent forth his Son,made of a woman,made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law,that we might receive the adoption of sons.Gal4:4-5.peace
@jefkata Yes,Jesus' flesh was dead,but his Spirit was not.He gave up the ghost whn he died.After 3 days,God's Spirit and life returned in to his flesh(tht had not decayed-been corrupted) as a symbol of wht he promises for us believers. Most ppl ask "wht is Jesus exactly?" Jesus is the Word of God manifest in the flesh. In the OT God would put the Word of God in prophets' mouths via the Holy Spirit.Thn came Jesus.Jesus is the flesh temple of God,tht God himself made,for himself=God's creation=Son
why all of you idiot christians r trying to prove all this by logic that jezus is
GOD or there is holy trinity or jezus was GOD in flesh or he has sacrified himself in order to save the world,GOD can die??....when jezus never told al of this and all of u r creating lies....shame on you christians
You claim you love other believers but Allah doesn't, that statement is untrue, if anything the Quran loves other believers so much that it has written in the Islamic book asking Muslims to recognize and respect Jesus, Moses, and the Bible, it speaks highly of the other religions but the Bible does nothing of the sort for the other religions. So how can you contradict yourself when in this video you showed us a passage about Moses being acknowledged in the Quran?
@FeistyForJustice The Quran tells you to fight all non believers , Jesus tells us to Love everyone that in fact if we hate even ONE person we CANNOT enter into heaven!'
Jesus always referred to himself as having been sent by God, meaning that he was a Divine messenger and prophet...
And the Father Himself, which has sent me, has b orne witness of me. (John 5:37)
This is Eternal Life: to know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent (John 17:3)
I can of my own self do nothing, as I hear I judge and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent me (John 5:30)
Muslims do believe that God would forgive all their sins that if they went back to god and showed true repentance. but It does not involve sins that include people rights and oppression, unless the rights restored to their owners. After all to us Allah is to most merciful.
Moreover, I cant understand the idea of Jesus dying for the sinners and at the same time u said in the video that the sinners will be punished. Can u please explain to me that part cz i thought all the believers are going to be forgiven since jesus died for them. And if thats the case do u think its fair for the thief , killer, Unjust, rapist etc .. to be forgiven automatically just because they believe in jesus ? is that what u call fairness ?
@Zaroonism Anyone who dies in sin will go to hell. Jesus died for everyone sins... so that we - through belief in that and doing The Father's will and repentance - we could go to heaven. it has nothing to do with fairness - its the unconditional love of God !:)
The fire ur talking about in the verse u quoted wasnt an actual fire, it was in fact the light surrounding God that was attached from a great tree to the sky and was surrounded by the angels. So there wasnt any actual fire, god didnt enter to any creation in that incident.
This is according to "Ibn Kathir" explanation who is one of the biggest islamic scholars known for explaining the Holy Quran.
So what the Christian is saying is that God loves all the criminals, murderers, rapists, thieves, oppressors, tyrants and that he's going to let all of them enter heaven without any account or punishment because he's just all loving like that?
That sounds like an incredibly unjust and unintelligent God. It also means that any Christian can take advantage of Gods love and do horrendous things.
@Spined1234 Yes thats exactly who the christian god loves.He loves sinners.The whole point being,you or I are no different in sin to a prostitute or thief,and thus you are not on moral grounds to judge another,rather repent in your sin and ask for forgiveness.Look into your soul, see yourself and ask the question;I am worthy?.The difference, Mohammed s men tore a prostitute into two, Yeshua forgave the prostitute.All have sinned and defiled god.Your fast means nothing in front of a broken heart.
@MrTheCorrupter If he loves us so much then he wouldn't have created a Hellfire to torture people for all eternity. Yes we do sin, but Allah forgives people who are genuinely remorseful for their actions and do their best to mend their ways, not someone who continues to defy God and sin because he believes Jesus died for his sins so he can sin as much as he wants because he already (falsely) believes he is going to Heaven without account.
@Spined1234 Ye lol Allah much better the one that calls for the slaughter of the non believers wut a god i tell you ur just mad cuz you have an evil god and we christitians have a perfect loving god who has many ways of working and we don't limit him
Christ God always One with God the Father, and Spirit never seperated by death in Spirit from the triune God. The Father or Spirit cannot be God autonomously.The three always must be One for God to be God. God never suspended Virtue or Attribute in Christ death. Christ died as a Man never did the Spirit seperate from the three in One.Christ only sacrificed in death flesh and blood.God never died ! God is perpetual Virtue. The Word never died.
Read your bible if he died for your sins than why is there a hell why are murders still punished when they join church. Why was the sermon sinners at the hands of an angry god created of a devout christian. You tell hypocrasy.
@Tehya411 Man judged murder and punishment is meted in this world by humans.There is a huge difference between Christendom and Christianity.Jesus forgave the murderer and prostitute.Jesus meant hell as eternal damnation as opposed to everlasting life(not the torchure chamber of fabled fantasies).And eternal damnation is for the unbleiver and unrepentant heart who thinks,he is perfect in practicing religion by mugging up a few laws and repeating it in routine.Only a broken heart counts.
Besides allah does not hold account for people who have never heard of islam people who are kind but believe in god (Allah means god in arabic just as dios is it in spanish) then he would judge he is fair.
when those people need and not want, and do you love those who do not remorse for heinous crimes. Allah explains his stories through the quran and then says he gives examples of people who are committing sin. Everyone commits these sins we arent perfect that is why we repent. But how can you say allah doesnt love anybody does he not keep you alive.
No fire symbolizes light. Allah is light and will manifest as so. The quran cannot be destroyed is like a person dying physically and leaving its legacy. Second when the you say allah does not care, then how is it that he "sweeps sin under the rug" unpunished sin its called repentance, you committe a sin which doesnt disappear it not accounted for because yes a whole surah is dedicated to it- repented. And would you love people who are arrogant, prideful, conspicuous spenders. Continued
@Friederike42 Why the christian god had to die?.Yeshua was incarnate among the chosen people of god,Israel.In Torah, atonement of sin is through blood sacrifice of an animal(goats, bulls).When Yeshua laid down his life by his own accord, he himself(doing justice to the tradition of Israel) became the sacrifice.And our belief in that sacrifice, coupled along with a repentant heart redeems you of your sin and gives everlasting life.John 1:36 When he saw Jesus, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!".
The question really should be, "Why would God enter into His creation?" I always recommend a book called The Life: The Orthodox Doctrine of Salvation by Clark Carlton to anyone who wants the answer. It shows readers that the Christian theology is full of righteousness and truth.
4. to discover the Truth for themselves. The truth is we are all descendants of Adam, you and I. The common bond that we all share is that we are all sinners. We are all in need of God's merciful forgiveness right now and not until the Judgement day that Allah promised. If you walk into any court room without acquitting your crimes/sin you would be Judged accordingly. You need to be forgiven now so that on Judgement day God will find you acceptable. Salvation after death is not granted.
3. sudden The True God decided to stop being the God of the Jews after he delivered the Children of Israel out of the land of Egypt simply does not add up. Allah is a great deceiver indeed. The same true God who created the Arabs is the same God who created the Jews. The real God is a peace maker that wants all men to love one another, and to worship him willingly. God is not willing that any should perish, so he would never command for people to be killed as long as they have the opportunity
2. The fact of the matter is, out of all the nations in the world throughout history, the Jews are the only group of people who have always claimed to worshiping one God. Even the Romans knew this. It wasn't until after Muhammed came on the scene that the Arabs started claiming to worshiping one God and you know this. As I mentioned in my comments for that video I posted, The Qur'an does not deny the undeniable fact that it was the Jewish people who were in bondage to the Egyptians. How all of a
please read the numbered 66 comments I posted on this video because I really broke things down with my comments.
Like I said, Jesus was the only one who never once in his lifetime sinned. Abraham sinned and as a result of his sin he became the father of both Ishmael and Isaac. Allah who claims to be the greatest deceiver of all saw this as an opportunity to exploit the descendants of Ishmael & to turn them against their brothers, the Jews.
Poor David Wood. Allah's mercy is far greater than you as a human can ever demonstrate to any human, or one that you can conceive of. If you knew one of God's 99 names mentioned in the Qur'an, you would've known that one it's called Ar-Raheem (The Most Merciful). God can only forgive us, yet you think Jesus died for our sins & crimes. Well if that were the case, then the crime of disbelieving in Prophet Jesus (PBUH) wouldn't be accepted as a sin, therefore even non-Christian are saved.
Jesus achieved the impossible, because what is impossible with men is possible with God. The fact that Jesus never once sinned in his lifetime actually proves how Jesus was God in the flesh.
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our sinful disease, so how else could the deadly virus that Adam infected us all with have been reversed? Logically we needed another Man who was uninfected by sin to reunite us back with our heavenly father. That Uninfected Sinless Man was Jesus Christ. Even the Qur'an accepts that Jesus was without sin. Now can you explain how a human being can go through this life that is bombarded with so many sinful temptations without sinning once or twice in his or her lifetime, It is impossible.
@fanspeek Actually, all of the Prophets are sinless, not just Jesus. Prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, & Muhammad were all the greatest men of the face of the planet. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in particular. Prophets, however, may make mistakes that are part of human nature i.e., Prophet Adam eating from the tree, and Moses accidentally killed another man to rescue another man from immediate trouble. Still, they're all the best. By the way, Adam, Moses, Abraham, weren't Jews/Christians.
created beings to be good; however the devil and all the other fallen angels chose, by their God given freewill, to be corrupted which is why they became evil. By the way The Devil's real name was recorded correctly in the bible, if you ask any real devil worshipper who their master's real name is, they will tell you the devil's name is "Lucifer", not "Iblis". It is Lucifer that all these occult secret societies worship. Anyway, It was through one man Adam our common ancestor that we inherited
Jesus being the Son of God, guess what I am a son of God, and you are supposed to be a son of God too. That is what Jesus came to restore you back to, but you have to believe in him. It is a fact that humans were made to rule this planet. If God created us to be mere servants or slaves, he would have created us in heaven to serve him there, which is precisely what God did for the Angels. The Angels that chose to remain faithful to God don't sin either which proves that God made all his
authority to rule this planet.Anyone who is familiar with how Kingdoms work knows that No King would ever entrust an entire province or something as precious as an entire planet over to just mere servants, No you do that for Princes and royal heirs. So no, God created us to be Sons & Daughters, which is yet another lie that Allah deceived you into believing that you were just a mere slave or servant. That is a big lie, don't cheat your self out of your right. If you have a problem with
a Lie!!!. The purpose of a lie is to hide, conceal, and to distract people from finding the Truth. A lie when best told is designed to look like the Truth and yet still retain the qualities of being in fact a Lie to distract and detract people from finding and accepting Ultimate Truth. My dear Muslim brothers & sisters you have been deceived, because Not only was Adam created perfect in the beginning without sin, he was a Son of God whose help meet was Eve, and they were both given the
to be forgiven as we do. Now, except you're willing to believe that the real God intentionally created us to be sinners which would make him evil, The God of the bible sounds more like what a perfect holy Creator would create.
The bible then further describes in detail how Mankind fell from Glory through Adam. The Qur'an failed to mention the fall of Man, so the Quran essentially states that the universal problems we face are in existent because they just are. With all due respect that is
that we human beings are sinful creatures. From the time a child a born, you don't need to teach a child how to lie, steal, disobey e.t.c. To err is human indeed. Why would a Perfect, Holy, Righteous God created the grossly imperfect creatures that we obviously are? From what I gathered from the Qur'an that's just how we are. The bible says otherwise, According to the bible the first man that God created Adam was a perfect sinless creature. He did not need to pray five times a day for his sins
determine how the problem can be solved. My dear Muslim brothers & sisters, having read the Qur'an myself before, It is with love that I say that only the bible addresses the issue of Mankind's problem, How it started, What the cause was, Where it occurred, and What was Ultimately done to reverse the effects the universal problem. The universal problem that we all have as human beings is "Sin". Now God is our creator right? & God is righteous & Holy isn't he? How else do you explain the fact
been victimized. Victimized by deceit, foul manipulation, Lies that have been propagated by forces who clearly have wicked intentions for all of us, so we need not bash each other. So, since we all should be able to agree that we have a common enemy, how can our problem be solved? The same way you solve any problem. First you have to acknowledge that there is a problem, then you have to know what the cause of the problem is. Except you know how the problem started, there is no way to
To these well observed problems that we encounter on a daily basis. I also want to say that I completely understand your position as a Muslim. It is our instinct as humans to defend that which we have held dear and true for a long time, so I don't expect you to wholeheartedly accept what I have to share with you right away. The Truth is regardless of whatever your religion is be it Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, what we all have in common as fellow human beings is that we have all
@Min90Ra, @alfulani5, first of I want say that this is not about Christianity vs. Islam or vice versa, it's about the Truth. The Truth is more important than religiosity, or the traditions of men. The Truth of the matter is that the world we live in is filled with many problems. Mankind has suffered emotional, psychological, physical, mental, and spiritual problems and continuos to do so. What every well intentioned practitioner of any religious faith aims to do is to seek answers cont...
@ogunitracy we turn to god to cleanse our sins not jesus. don't u think god knows when we turn to him? if we turn to god then yes he can simply forgive our sins. just think about it, there's nothing god can't do
@DarweeshX11 We are discussing it is so UNGODLY for God to be born as a human and "die for your sins"
Even in todays context a Head of a company can overrule the laws of the company. For example if he comes late to the office no employee questions him. Whereas employees have to explain or endure a cut in their pay.
We believe in a God who is all powerful and most merciful. He is not governed by anyone and he can unish or forgive anyone without having to explain to anyone.
@ogunitracy what i'm saying is that god does not need to "die" for our sins, surely he forgive our sins in heaven it's god. And of course he can show us in heaven how to lead our lives. God can do everything and I'm sure everyone here agrees with me
if God will simply forgive our sins, can't we just do whatever we like? The true followers of Jesus come to him for cleansing from their sins and so cannot do whatever they like or they are simply deceiving themselves
the question is why does god need to enter human flesh when he can do everything he wants from above? is there anything that he can't see from above? anything he can't hear from above? is there anything he can't do from above?
@TheEYeZzZz 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
@gunner23 The king of the world seeing his son drowning is such a dumb example.
Unlike the king of the world, GOD MAKES THE POOLS OF MUD AND HE IS CAPABLE OF SAVING HIS SON OR CREATIONS WITHOUT MOVING FROM HIS PLACE. HE IS CAPABLE OF REMOVING THE POOL OF MUD IN A TRILLIONTH OF A SECOND IF HE WILLS.
Christians limit Gods powers and compare it to that of humans.
Allah the most merciful can forgive our sins without anyone having to offer human sacrifice.
Ethics isn't reducible to power. It is a category mistake to say that if God his all-powerful, he can just make the sins go away. And perfect justice requires that crimes are punished. You say that the most merciful can forgive them without punishment but you don't seem to notice that this would mean that God is most merciful with the expense of not being most just. Only Christianity can maintain God's perfect mercy and justice at the same time.
Even in the realm of human justice, there are various ways in which the consequences can be transferred. For example, one can choose to pay a fine that another person would be obliged to pay, and perhaps more importantly, a group or an organization may be responsible for the actions of their representative in some contexts. The one obvious injustice would be if an innocent person was FORCED to take the penalty, but that's not what Christianity teaches at all (Continued...)
Paying on behalf of someone is different than offering ones life. What would the world call me if I tell a court of law to hang me instead of a serial killer?
And worse if I offer myself BEFORE even the case is closed people will call me a lunatic.
My point was that there are SIMILARITIES and you pretend that my claim was about things being IDENTICAL with how our legal systems work. Obviously things aren't exactly the same when we are talking about the moral relationship between God and men rather than men and men. Plus there were other points you didn't even bother to answer because you seem to insist on ignoring the bigger picture. Calling opposing views "stupid" doesn't count as an argument.
But you are bringing example from men to men relationship. For example when a man cannot pay a fine, he suffers. And if one offers to pay his fine he will be happy.
But what you are saying is like one guy pays ALL the fines in the world upfront and gives them licence to engage in all the sins one could ever think of. Evangelists in the third world (where I live) call people to Christianity based on this this free licence matter.
there is no license to sin u dont understand the holy spirit once u have true faith in jesus god writes his law on our hearts and the holy spirit indwells in us it is this that teaches us and keeps us from sinning now we have gods spirit if we are not naturally following gods comandments we are not saved as for the debt "For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience (jesus) many will be made righteous because he was sinless and yet died @alfulani5
Muslims believe in Allah who MAKES THE LAWS, and CAN FORGIVE WHOEVER REPENTS SINCERELY without him having to humiliate himself.
Christians worship a GOD whose powers are limited and he himself is governed by a set of laws. This means God has someone else over him who puts down the laws.
No, God has to punish our shortcomings because they are wrong. according to him, the due punishment is death. he doesn't want to kill all of us so Jesus takes the punishment. Anyone who believes in him has to hold that sacrifice as sacred and do everything in their power to avoid sinning or else, they will still be punished for their sins. it is not a free license.
@ogunitracy Christians are really stupid due to 2 reasons:
1. God is God because he can do EVERYTHING he wants. He doesn't have to answer to anyone. He can pardon anyone he wants without having to justify to anyone.
2. And it is totally insane to kill some one else instead of the actual culprit. It is like killing another person in place of Saddam Hussain.
2. If God died for your sins that gives a free licence to sin. Probably thats the reason why Christians like Bush orchestrated 911 killing his own people and use it as a reason to kill millions more. And probably thats is the reason why Christian women question WHY GET MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN, why cant we go topless like men, why cant we screw other women like men (with strap on dicks), and why can we have sex with dogs, so and and so forth.
Jesus dying for your sins is not a free license to sin. when you come to Jesus, it is because you are a sinner and wished to be saved. if you wish to continue sinning, you are not really saved. you will still die for your sins.
anyone who does not follow Jesus teachings is a hypocrite no matter what they claim. All the things you accuse Bush and Christian women of doing are seen as wrong in the bible and so anyone who does them is a hypocrite and not a christian.
Your statistic is wrong. how many Christians have you met that you claim to know the percentage that are hypocrites? If you haven't met all of them, where do your statistics come from?
Those who sin and justify their sinful acts like in your examples are hypocrites. true Christians see that these things are wrong and try their best knowing that as the Bible says, the Holy spirit is making us more and more perfect everyday. they aim for perfection and trust god with their failures
the keyword in your sentence is maybe. My guess is that you've never met any and you're simply viewing people through broken lenses. just what in David's video shows how unloving he is? I have been to two churches here full of good christians. if you think that David and Nabeel are bad people, your view of bad is definitely crooked. can you tell me what he has done wrong?
@ogunitracy Love your enemy means NOT TO HURT HIM AND DO GOOD TO HIM.
These guys killing a mosquito in my hand with a sledge hammer. YES His "intention" is to do good to me by killing the mosquito, but in the process they break my hand.
Insulting Quran and the Prophet is definitely not doing good. It is stirring up hate!!
he is doing good to you. by showing you the truth and how you can live a perfect and happy life. how happy are you serving a God who gives his followers no assurance of their salvation and gives no advice on how to stop sinning? do you not fear that for all your worship you might still go to hell?
He is not insulting anything. He is simply showing you the truth.
@ogunitracy This is like marketing. If one promotes his products explaining how good it is and what it can do better etc. it really means he has a superior product
BUT IF HE PROMOTES HIS PRODUCTS BY CONDEMNING THE OTHERS, it only means his product has nothing special and the only thing he wants is PROMOTING HIS PRODUCT BY ANY MEANS.
If you know David tell him his approach is wrong from all angles, and he will only recruit money centered arrogant people.
if I tell you that something is wrong and that thing is indeed wrong, i am condemning your ideaology, but not because I want to be mean or petty. If he's saying the truth about Islam - and he is - then listen to him instead of condemning him for saying things you don't like. if you believe everything he says is untrue, make a video and tell us how. if you can't tell us how it is untrue, do yourself a favour and keep your untrue beliefs to yourself
First, if what you are telling is the truth why not convince people based on the truth, without throwing sarcastic remarks and lying about Islam and quoting Islamic texts grossly out of context.
Second, If I were to listen to you YOU SHOULD PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. If the Dearbon Police arrested you should should have kept quite OR OFFERED TO STAY LONGER IN JAIL, in line with the "offer the other cheek" thing. I see HYPOCRISY and SIN here.
like i said, make a video with good information about what he said wrong. you have given me no evidence, only statements.
as far as turning the other cheek, Jesus did not mean us to be stupid. the bible continually warns against stupidity. keeping quiet means that this will happen to others and offering to stay longer is stupidity, not turning the other cheek. educating others is the right thing to do. the wrong thing would be to repay the officers in their own coin.
@ogunitracy I can find fault in every single statement of David. He is a pathological LIAR who takes things totally out of context. Even the worst of Muslim find him hilarious. And the other pathological LIAR Nabeel claims to be an Arab and Muslim, whereas he is a Paksitani and Ahmadi (who got nothing to do with Islam).
Can you tell me to whom do you offer the other cheek then?
From your actions it looks you offer other cheek to those more powerful than you and jump all over the powerless!!
This pathological liar says the prophet had sex with a 9 year old girl. He makes it looks like a case of rape, whereas he got married and took care of her till his death.
Is he so dumb to understand when numerous people have explained the line Islam draws for getting married is puberty. NOT THE AGE!!
1. You said "a nine year old's body is never physically mature enough for sex. a woman's body does not become ready for sex simply because she has her period"
WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?
2. Colonial period is over, and how come you who preach freedom, and freedom of religion expect everyone to live by YOUR rules??
1. you are to offer the other cheek to anyone one who harms you. David and Nabeel have not attempted to take retaliation in any way so they have kept that law. This is not retaliation. This is educating others.
2 & 3. I have not seen the lies. Please tell me how these are lies so I refute you.
Out of curiosity, do you now agree with me that Muhammad's having sex with Aisha is wrong? you are silent on the topic.
@alfulani5 you call me deceptive. can you say what lie i have told?
A nine year old girl, whether she has attained puberty or not, does not understand marriage and sex so it does not matter whether she says yes or not. she does not understand what she is saying yes to because she is nine years old.
do you know a nine year old who understands sex like you do? You tell me it is okay. why is it okay when she does not understand what she is saying?
You said "a nine year old's body is never physically mature enough for sex. a woman's body does not become ready for sex simply because she has her period"
WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?
Or you are one of the sick evangelists who expects others to accept everything you say just because you said it?
firstly, the legal age for sex in developed countries is 18 because scientists have determined that that is the mature age both physically and intellectually.
secondly, when i had my first period, I had no hips. if i had had sex then and gotten pregnant, i would have died in childbirth.
thirdly, menstruation happens in the middle of puberty, not at the end and the hips don't completely develop till the end.
My point was PROPHET MARRIED A YOUNG WOMAN, but David (and you) make it look like extra martial sex. I PROVED BOTH OF YOU AS DECEIVERS but Instead of ADMITTING YOU ARE LIARS OR refuting it, you go on to explaining gynecology. .
And 2 more points: 1. Just because you did not get hips it doesnt mean every other girl will not get it
2. If there is scientific evidence show them to me!
3. In Islam marriage is permitted after puberty BUT NOT ENFORCED
we didn't say it is extra-marital sex. we say it is rape because a nine-year old is not intellectually mature enough. show me where we called it extra-marital sex.
The hips are only fully developed at the END of puberty.
menstruation happens in the MIDDLE of puberty.
a girl's hips are not fully developed at 9.
It does not matter if it is not enforced, people practice it because Muhammad said it was right.
i am explaining gynecology to you. is that not scientific evidence?
i cannot watch that video because i have a headache right now and because i would have to pick off all the points one by one to refute them. that would take too long. give me the points one at a time and I will refute them.
@ogunitracy If you are too tired to watch the video here are the points.
1. David says in one video Nabeel is Pakistani and Nabeel says in another video he is Arab. Pakistanis are NOT ARABS!!
2. Nabeel admits he was Ahmadi. Ahmadism is possibly the furthest from Islam started by an Indian lunatic who mixed up a few Islamic concepts with Christianity. This mad man who died while defecating (worst possible death according to Islam) has been unanimously declared a Kafir by ALL Muslims.
His skin is the color of an Arab's and his family is from pakistan. Can you put two and two together? Even if they both made a mistake, that proves what exactly?
They read the Qu'ran. They follow Muhammad. They consider themselves Muslims. That makes them Muslims. In case you do not know, I'll tell you why Ahmadis are rejected. They believe the violent verses are abrogated and only peaceful verses should be followed. what does that say about the rest of you?
@ogunitracy It proves he is a LIAR. And it looks you haven't seen neither a Pakistani NOR an Arab., Nabeel doesn't look anything like an Arab. He looks like a South Indian!!
And who the hell do you think you are to tell me what is Islam and what is not! I and 99.99% of Muslims say Ahmadis are not Muslim!! And this NABEEL is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. And you defending a LIAR automatically become a LIAR yourself!
@ogunitracy Some girls go through puberty when they are 8 or earlier!!
NABEEL THE LIAR SAYS that he is an Arab. Whereas his friend David says he is a Pakistani!! So that makes Nabeel or David a LIAR!! Looking at the dark skin of Nabeel and features it looks he is a South Indian or a South Indian who migrated to Pakistan. NABEEL IS TELLING A LIE AND HE IS A LIAR!!
Ahmadis are not Muslim and they know it!! NABEEL LIES when he says he WAS A Muslim!!
yes, the earliest that girls start puberty is 8. the earliest that they finish is 12. puberty is a process, not an event.
If i think something and i am mistaken, I am mistaken. I am not a liar. there's a difference. If ahmadis think they are muslim and are not, they are mistaken, not liars. you say they are not muslims. they think they are.
Tell me the reasons Ahmadis are rejected, please. And you can try being more civil. You're giving me a pretty bad impression of muslims.
@ogunitracy Giving you a bad impression about Muslims. THATS VERY FUNNY!! Evangelists lincluding LIARS David and Nabeel never have a good impression about anyone else other than themselves. They peddle their HATE to collect as much money as possible.
Ahmadis are NOT Muslim. If you want to find out about Ahmadis read about them yourself! I am not jobless to spoon feed you.
And I dont give a damn if you had your puberty at 20. Allah made humans from nothing and he knows whats good for them.
I'm happy that you're so certain of your views. I'd say your projecting the truth about yourself onto us but that's just my view. I pray you eventually find wisdom. When you do, you'll want to see the truth. I don't where you got all your misconceptions but may God help you.
I NEVER AGREED WITH YOU ABOUT AHMADIS!! They are NOT MUSLIM AND THATS IT!! I never agreed with your reasoning. Ahamdis are rejected by Muslims for many reasons!!
It is proven ALL evangelists are HATE MONGERS AND LIARS with only one purpose in their mind: Rob as much as possible from the life savings of frail old people to fatten their pockets!!
1. You said "a nine year old's body is never physically mature enough for sex. a woman's body does not become ready for sex simply because she has her period"
WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?
2. Colonial period is over, and how come you who preach freedom, and freedom of religion expect everyone to live by YOUR rules??
1. We believe we will only know if we are pardoned or not only on the day of judgement AND NOT BEFORE THAT!! Which means we have to take all the precautions and do everything possible to get Gods pardon. Which automatically paves the way for a just and moral society. When someone is pre-pardoned whats there to stop him from committing murder and other evils?
FOR THE LAST TIME GOD IS NOT GOVERNED BY ANY LAWS. HE MAKES THE LAWS FOR HUMANS AND HE CAN OVER RULE AND CHANGE AS HE WANTS
Christianity also teaches that the believer in some sense becomes a participant in Christ and Christ indwells the believer through the Holy Spirit. Christ's perfect righteousness becomes foundational to the believer's new identity, etc. So in a sense, one CAN say that when Christ died on the cross, the believer participated in that death and therefore the objection you gave loses its force.
As for why the death of one man can have this effect, you need to remember that according to Christianity, Jesus wasn't just a man.
As for the "license", you are misrepresenting the Christian position. True, there will be sin even in the believer's life, but if one is continuously sinning and not even trying to resist temptations, not grieving for one's sins, etc., this may indicate that he isn't a true believer. Gratefulness expressed to God is a normal consequence of salvation.
you are VERY SMART but unfortunately it still will not convince them because they just like what they are and dont wanna change it even they know it is wrong
JESUS is the WORD and SPIRIT that proceeded from God. The WORD and SPIRIT of God is ETERNAL. JESUS is the ETERNAL WORD and SPIRIT of GOD tht took the flesh of man. The word and spirit of God cannot be created but it can create. The WORD ad SPIRIT (Jesus) of God NEVER die, but the flesh OF MAN can die . GOD is infinite, his mercy, judgement and love is infinite. Gods infinite LOVE and MERCY is in JESUS. This makes Gods MERCY, LOVE,JUSTICE infinite and perfect.
brilliant video. i signed up with this account just to tell you how i felt about it. i will link this video on my blog and summarise it, if that's okay with you?
thanks for sharing your insight. i have learnt a lot!
Awesome. Keep up the good work.
GomeriteDisciple 12 hours ago
Now hear this God. You may be omniscient and omnipotent old fella, but we here on planet Earth want to clue you in on a couple of things which you CAN and CANNOT do. Numble 1: die. You go dying on us and where...
Quite frankly I find the theological explanation of Monsignor George Carlin much more to the point. At least if you're going to use LOGIC and not just wave around some scatterbrained books written by unwashed maniacs who had no idea the world was round, and orbits the sun. BLASPHEMY!
bakhirun 5 days ago
Oh, you are the one who the 20 year old, Sami Zaatari wiped the floor with? How can you even have the nerve to appear in public after such a defeat?
Everyone please watch the debate between a Muslim teenager Sami Zaatari and this human. Type in youtube "Was Muhammad a Prophet of God?"
4Shia 6 days ago
slam dunk david.....and the game only started
danielefsot 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
i pray for you, continue in that way
aldo416 3 weeks ago
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aldo416 3 weeks ago
ahaha, he should quote the whole verse rather than taking it out of context!
Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.
HazardExtreme 1 month ago
@HazardExtreme you still do not comprehen that if one turns away? then Allah does not like the disbelievers......but in the TRUE GOD in christianity that God loves the sinner and even takes on human form to die for them so a work of cleansing in ones conscience be attained..a true deliverance from sins that all sinners could never attain to on their own. Please muslim put away arguement and just meditate on this for a while.
danielefsot 3 weeks ago
The fact that Jesus Christ the son of God whom we believe to be God incarnated in human form died and rose again. doesnt contradict in any way that God is everlasting and al powerful. As the matter of fact God's imortality and almighty power is manifested in the ressurection.
ISTLGWNF 1 month ago
kidsarocker, so put what you said there to Jesus (I believe that it was most of the Jews in his time)? Was Jesus really the Son of David?? No and no (to what you said about Jesus' mother).
However, when you said 'Biblical', which Bible (of the two) are you speaking of? Isaac and Ishmael were brothers (I see a pattern; and that there is one God) but that the Qur-an CORRECTS! Look at the O.T and the Jewish BIBLE (changes too)!
MrRamboseven 1 month ago
an when you said God enter creation to die for are sins he went into jesus an died on the cross if yes your saying their the same being same person if not when did he enter in his creation answer back to my question
SuperDuperSuperb1000 1 month ago
@Super Giving Law and punishing them as per their deeds already happened i Old testament times.IN that Law,for the remission of Sins,God ordained shedding Blood of Goats,sheep etc..Now with this criteria,still sin increased to infinity and no one is eligible to Heaven.So it was God's old plan tht he would send his son to Die on behalf of the Sin bearer.Now no need for goats,sheep.Just by believing in Jesus,and asking forgiveness,makes you pure.Let me know what's bothering u
9ash39 1 month ago
i heard something that said something like that the people in hell will burn for all enternity for as long as God is God. so that part as long as God is God that part must me something like God could Die or that God can lose his position as God
SuperDuperSuperb1000 1 month ago
jesus is a human... and the quran is a book...
lilhellee 1 month ago
TheResident777, no.
MrRamboseven 1 month ago
Wow this was an excellent explanation!
Jondadon2006 2 months ago
God works in mysterious ways... was Elizabeth God (filled with the Holy Ghost; not saying that His entity can be in Earth)? God wasn't in the Burning Bush (not saying that God is Trinity of course)! Also, please see Sura 112:4.
1 Kings 8:27, I conclude, God cannot be contained... in a body! Jesus was with the fullness of God, the invisible etc... and so cannot be Him!
Islam, on His concept, is more closer to Judaism than Christianity is to Judaism; I find is to be amazing and I ask you 'why?'
MrRamboseven 2 months ago
@MrRamboseven You believe Jesus died on the cross?
TheResident777 2 months ago
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kidsarocker 1 month ago
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@MrRamboseven islam isnothing but a plaigerised version of the judaism - and a poor one at that - face it Muhamad was a false prophet, even the Jews of his time knew this -the Quran is full of bibilical historical errors such as Moses sister is Yeshua's mother
kidsarocker 1 month ago
@Min90Ra In regards to "why did he create us in the 1st place if he knew we would sin?"
That is a fair question and easy to answer. If it were possible to enter Heaven on our own merits then we would have to be perfect like God.
In order to create us perfect, we would be more like robots compelled to follow our programming.
By creating us in a fallen state, granting us freedom of choice, and paying for our sins Himself; God ends up with kids genuinely appreciative of His free gift of life
Moving2U 3 months ago
@Min90Ra Those are very good questions.God exalts Himself in revelation saying no one can expunge sin unless exactly like Me in Nature. Hence, Jesus Christ. God creating a universe having sin allowed in it, reveals God.But not by difference but by exalting Himself far above any belief by man to attain relationship with Him. No religion can achieve relationship with God. So God became a Man and as a Man in Virtue like Himself satisfied His own Nature revealing how high it is to attain unto God
polopowers1 4 months ago
Revelation 1:18 - "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
Nowhere in the Scriptures did Jesus say he did NOT die, or that his death only affects his "physical nature." That is unscriptural, and Jesus own words, 60 years AFTER his crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension refute any such claims. He clearly say he WAS dead and is alive forever more.
I am a Bible-believing Christian, and believe Islam is from Satan.
TheHorta 4 months ago
@Min90Ra Did you even WATCH this video? You couldn't have..
pretoshohmoofc 4 months ago
Much love to your ministry, David. God Bless everyone and may all people come to the Light, Jesus (Yeshua) the Lord!
hottamale02 4 months ago
Jesus Christ is God died only in body.Jesus Christ was always One in Spirit, with Father and Spirit.The Father never forsook Son distinctly as Father, the whole God Head denied Him,His flesh and blood for sacrifice".A body You have prepared for Me". Beleivers don't understand Christ was distinct flesh and blood. A man like any man but not like any other man in every way, no contradiction. Muslim doctrine is in this distinction, refuted. Christ distinct in blood and flesh is necessary sacrifice
polopowers1 5 months ago
The Quran says God does not love all these things u posted, but it says in every chapter that God loves those who love him, will forgive them and is compassionate and merciful.. So if one loves him that carries more bearing than the whatever sins they have committed. He does not need to enter into flesh to forgive, he can just do it at will.. Christians believe God CAN only forgive those who believe Jesus died for them, no one else. They believe forgiveness only comes from sacrifice and if one
aca28833 5 months ago
@aca28833 is unaccepting of the sacrifice he is UNABLE to forgive, whether or not he wants to. His attributes are limited as he is bond by rules. So by your def he is not the greatest being because his rules are greater than him. On the other hand in Islam to be forgiven by God u must merely believe in only Him. Not him plus the Son, plus the Holy Ghost, plus the sacrific of his son, JUST HIM.. Belief in one God is a universal concept which the majority of world religions share, ex. Jews,
aca28833 5 months ago
@aca28833 Zoroastrians, Muslims, etc. Forgiveness in Christianity is limited to a narrow concept which only Christians believe, while in Islam forgiveness is based upon a general concept which most religions believe.
aca28833 5 months ago
Check the tafsir you arrogant trash.
MuslimRationalizer 5 months ago
Kratos can kill god
Rokartu 5 months ago
Wood is 100% on point! May God bless you brother
SuperDonster 5 months ago
If he did not die What was the sacrifice all about?
Peace to all.
jefkata 6 months ago
@jefkata he did die,in the FLESH,to fulfill the law + the scriptures.The law can not be fulfilled unless innocent blood is shed.NOBODY was/has ever been sinless;not evn a new born baby;ONLY JESUS WAS PERFECT.God had to be born of flesh in order to actually be under the law in order to fulfill the law.
But when the fulness of the time was come,God sent forth his Son,made of a woman,made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law,that we might receive the adoption of sons.Gal4:4-5.peace
SuperDonster 5 months ago
@SuperDonster you mean GOD DIED in FLESH. ?
jefkata 5 months ago
@jefkata Yes,Jesus' flesh was dead,but his Spirit was not.He gave up the ghost whn he died.After 3 days,God's Spirit and life returned in to his flesh(tht had not decayed-been corrupted) as a symbol of wht he promises for us believers. Most ppl ask "wht is Jesus exactly?" Jesus is the Word of God manifest in the flesh. In the OT God would put the Word of God in prophets' mouths via the Holy Spirit.Thn came Jesus.Jesus is the flesh temple of God,tht God himself made,for himself=God's creation=Son
SuperDonster 5 months ago
why all of you idiot christians r trying to prove all this by logic that jezus is
GOD or there is holy trinity or jezus was GOD in flesh or he has sacrified himself in order to save the world,GOD can die??....when jezus never told al of this and all of u r creating lies....shame on you christians
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youneekk 6 months ago
@Acts17Apologetics
You claim you love other believers but Allah doesn't, that statement is untrue, if anything the Quran loves other believers so much that it has written in the Islamic book asking Muslims to recognize and respect Jesus, Moses, and the Bible, it speaks highly of the other religions but the Bible does nothing of the sort for the other religions. So how can you contradict yourself when in this video you showed us a passage about Moses being acknowledged in the Quran?
FeistyForJustice 6 months ago
@FeistyForJustice The Quran tells you to fight all non believers , Jesus tells us to Love everyone that in fact if we hate even ONE person we CANNOT enter into heaven!'
DiscipleInstinct 6 months ago
Jesus always referred to himself as having been sent by God, meaning that he was a Divine messenger and prophet...
And the Father Himself, which has sent me, has b orne witness of me. (John 5:37)
This is Eternal Life: to know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent (John 17:3)
I can of my own self do nothing, as I hear I judge and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent me (John 5:30)
FeistyForJustice 6 months ago
continue ,,
Muslims do believe that God would forgive all their sins that if they went back to god and showed true repentance. but It does not involve sins that include people rights and oppression, unless the rights restored to their owners. After all to us Allah is to most merciful.
Zaroonism 6 months ago
continue,,
Moreover, I cant understand the idea of Jesus dying for the sinners and at the same time u said in the video that the sinners will be punished. Can u please explain to me that part cz i thought all the believers are going to be forgiven since jesus died for them. And if thats the case do u think its fair for the thief , killer, Unjust, rapist etc .. to be forgiven automatically just because they believe in jesus ? is that what u call fairness ?
Zaroonism 6 months ago
@Zaroonism Anyone who dies in sin will go to hell. Jesus died for everyone sins... so that we - through belief in that and doing The Father's will and repentance - we could go to heaven. it has nothing to do with fairness - its the unconditional love of God !:)
DiscipleInstinct 6 months ago
Dear Christian Friend,
The fire ur talking about in the verse u quoted wasnt an actual fire, it was in fact the light surrounding God that was attached from a great tree to the sky and was surrounded by the angels. So there wasnt any actual fire, god didnt enter to any creation in that incident.
This is according to "Ibn Kathir" explanation who is one of the biggest islamic scholars known for explaining the Holy Quran.
Zaroonism 6 months ago
Wow David, that was so nice.All knee shall bow down to the love of yeshua.
MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
So what the Christian is saying is that God loves all the criminals, murderers, rapists, thieves, oppressors, tyrants and that he's going to let all of them enter heaven without any account or punishment because he's just all loving like that?
That sounds like an incredibly unjust and unintelligent God. It also means that any Christian can take advantage of Gods love and do horrendous things.
Blegh. Islam is better.
Spined1234 6 months ago
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MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
@Spined1234 Yes thats exactly who the christian god loves.He loves sinners.The whole point being,you or I are no different in sin to a prostitute or thief,and thus you are not on moral grounds to judge another,rather repent in your sin and ask for forgiveness.Look into your soul, see yourself and ask the question;I am worthy?.The difference, Mohammed s men tore a prostitute into two, Yeshua forgave the prostitute.All have sinned and defiled god.Your fast means nothing in front of a broken heart.
MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter If he loves us so much then he wouldn't have created a Hellfire to torture people for all eternity. Yes we do sin, but Allah forgives people who are genuinely remorseful for their actions and do their best to mend their ways, not someone who continues to defy God and sin because he believes Jesus died for his sins so he can sin as much as he wants because he already (falsely) believes he is going to Heaven without account.
This is where Christians go astray.
Spined1234 6 months ago
@Spined1234 Ok then, good.
MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
@Spined1234 Ye lol Allah much better the one that calls for the slaughter of the non believers wut a god i tell you ur just mad cuz you have an evil god and we christitians have a perfect loving god who has many ways of working and we don't limit him
Qu3enz 6 months ago
Christ God always One with God the Father, and Spirit never seperated by death in Spirit from the triune God. The Father or Spirit cannot be God autonomously.The three always must be One for God to be God. God never suspended Virtue or Attribute in Christ death. Christ died as a Man never did the Spirit seperate from the three in One.Christ only sacrificed in death flesh and blood.God never died ! God is perpetual Virtue. The Word never died.
polopowers1 7 months ago
Oh and like you said he talked through the fire he is not the fire I love all people because allah said so
Tehya411 7 months ago
blablabla all religions are human made and nothing but middle eastern bronze age mythology
mideastatheist 7 months ago
Read your bible if he died for your sins than why is there a hell why are murders still punished when they join church. Why was the sermon sinners at the hands of an angry god created of a devout christian. You tell hypocrasy.
Tehya411 7 months ago
@Tehya411 Man judged murder and punishment is meted in this world by humans.There is a huge difference between Christendom and Christianity.Jesus forgave the murderer and prostitute.Jesus meant hell as eternal damnation as opposed to everlasting life(not the torchure chamber of fabled fantasies).And eternal damnation is for the unbleiver and unrepentant heart who thinks,he is perfect in practicing religion by mugging up a few laws and repeating it in routine.Only a broken heart counts.
MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
Besides allah does not hold account for people who have never heard of islam people who are kind but believe in god (Allah means god in arabic just as dios is it in spanish) then he would judge he is fair.
Tehya411 7 months ago
when those people need and not want, and do you love those who do not remorse for heinous crimes. Allah explains his stories through the quran and then says he gives examples of people who are committing sin. Everyone commits these sins we arent perfect that is why we repent. But how can you say allah doesnt love anybody does he not keep you alive.
Tehya411 7 months ago
No fire symbolizes light. Allah is light and will manifest as so. The quran cannot be destroyed is like a person dying physically and leaving its legacy. Second when the you say allah does not care, then how is it that he "sweeps sin under the rug" unpunished sin its called repentance, you committe a sin which doesnt disappear it not accounted for because yes a whole surah is dedicated to it- repented. And would you love people who are arrogant, prideful, conspicuous spenders. Continued
Tehya411 7 months ago
I like the comparison of the Koran with Jesus. But please tell me why the Christian god has to die so that Jesus can inherit the world from him?
Friederike42 7 months ago
@Friederike42 Why the christian god had to die?.Yeshua was incarnate among the chosen people of god,Israel.In Torah, atonement of sin is through blood sacrifice of an animal(goats, bulls).When Yeshua laid down his life by his own accord, he himself(doing justice to the tradition of Israel) became the sacrifice.And our belief in that sacrifice, coupled along with a repentant heart redeems you of your sin and gives everlasting life.John 1:36 When he saw Jesus, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!".
MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
The question really should be, "Why would God enter into His creation?" I always recommend a book called The Life: The Orthodox Doctrine of Salvation by Clark Carlton to anyone who wants the answer. It shows readers that the Christian theology is full of righteousness and truth.
ManOnFia 8 months ago
5. Salvation is granted now that you are still alive. My brother that is the Truth. Please read those 66 comments. I love you & Jesus loves you.
Again here is the video link for you to read the comments I posted on there:
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PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY NUMBERED THREADED COMMENTS STARTING WITH 1 for both videos
fanspeek 8 months ago
4. to discover the Truth for themselves. The truth is we are all descendants of Adam, you and I. The common bond that we all share is that we are all sinners. We are all in need of God's merciful forgiveness right now and not until the Judgement day that Allah promised. If you walk into any court room without acquitting your crimes/sin you would be Judged accordingly. You need to be forgiven now so that on Judgement day God will find you acceptable. Salvation after death is not granted.
fanspeek 8 months ago
3. sudden The True God decided to stop being the God of the Jews after he delivered the Children of Israel out of the land of Egypt simply does not add up. Allah is a great deceiver indeed. The same true God who created the Arabs is the same God who created the Jews. The real God is a peace maker that wants all men to love one another, and to worship him willingly. God is not willing that any should perish, so he would never command for people to be killed as long as they have the opportunity
fanspeek 8 months ago
2. The fact of the matter is, out of all the nations in the world throughout history, the Jews are the only group of people who have always claimed to worshiping one God. Even the Romans knew this. It wasn't until after Muhammed came on the scene that the Arabs started claiming to worshiping one God and you know this. As I mentioned in my comments for that video I posted, The Qur'an does not deny the undeniable fact that it was the Jewish people who were in bondage to the Egyptians. How all of a
fanspeek 8 months ago
1. @ARHassan15
/watch?v=KVsedC3ocKI&feature=related
please read the numbered 66 comments I posted on this video because I really broke things down with my comments.
Like I said, Jesus was the only one who never once in his lifetime sinned. Abraham sinned and as a result of his sin he became the father of both Ishmael and Isaac. Allah who claims to be the greatest deceiver of all saw this as an opportunity to exploit the descendants of Ishmael & to turn them against their brothers, the Jews.
fanspeek 8 months ago
Poor David Wood. Allah's mercy is far greater than you as a human can ever demonstrate to any human, or one that you can conceive of. If you knew one of God's 99 names mentioned in the Qur'an, you would've known that one it's called Ar-Raheem (The Most Merciful). God can only forgive us, yet you think Jesus died for our sins & crimes. Well if that were the case, then the crime of disbelieving in Prophet Jesus (PBUH) wouldn't be accepted as a sin, therefore even non-Christian are saved.
ARHassan15 8 months ago
@Min90Ra THAT IS WHAT U MADE UP WE DONT BELIEVE THAT GABBAGE U MADE UP
WHAT WE BELIEVE :
A HUMAN BEING CANNOT BE GOD. BUT GOD CAN TAKE HUMAN NATURE OR WHATEVER FORM HE CHOOSES JOHN1:14
GOD CANNOT DIE HE IS ETERNAL .
GOD CANNOT BE CREATED, BORN,BE INVOLVED IN SEXUAL(AS ALLAH CAN WITH HAROUS AND ANGELS) THINGS
I SUGGEST U READ SURAH 6:108 CAUSE U HAVE BROUGHT ON YOUR SATANIC ALLAH INSULT
jesusyarrup 8 months ago
Thanks David , Jesus made me come back to God by Showing his love , His love made me want to be his servant , Our God is Great hallelujah
newtochrist 8 months ago
Jesus achieved the impossible, because what is impossible with men is possible with God. The fact that Jesus never once sinned in his lifetime actually proves how Jesus was God in the flesh.
PLEASE READ FROM BEGINNING OF JUSTIFIABLE LONG COMMENT! WHICH STARTS ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE. The Answer to the Truth ,In light of the abundance of many Falsehoods, does not require a quick answer. THANK YOU
recommended videos Must See
/watch?v=9rBI-ZKv7UE&feature=related
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fanspeek 9 months ago
our sinful disease, so how else could the deadly virus that Adam infected us all with have been reversed? Logically we needed another Man who was uninfected by sin to reunite us back with our heavenly father. That Uninfected Sinless Man was Jesus Christ. Even the Qur'an accepts that Jesus was without sin. Now can you explain how a human being can go through this life that is bombarded with so many sinful temptations without sinning once or twice in his or her lifetime, It is impossible.
fanspeek 9 months ago
@fanspeek Actually, all of the Prophets are sinless, not just Jesus. Prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, & Muhammad were all the greatest men of the face of the planet. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in particular. Prophets, however, may make mistakes that are part of human nature i.e., Prophet Adam eating from the tree, and Moses accidentally killed another man to rescue another man from immediate trouble. Still, they're all the best. By the way, Adam, Moses, Abraham, weren't Jews/Christians.
ARHassan15 8 months ago
created beings to be good; however the devil and all the other fallen angels chose, by their God given freewill, to be corrupted which is why they became evil. By the way The Devil's real name was recorded correctly in the bible, if you ask any real devil worshipper who their master's real name is, they will tell you the devil's name is "Lucifer", not "Iblis". It is Lucifer that all these occult secret societies worship. Anyway, It was through one man Adam our common ancestor that we inherited
fanspeek 9 months ago
Jesus being the Son of God, guess what I am a son of God, and you are supposed to be a son of God too. That is what Jesus came to restore you back to, but you have to believe in him. It is a fact that humans were made to rule this planet. If God created us to be mere servants or slaves, he would have created us in heaven to serve him there, which is precisely what God did for the Angels. The Angels that chose to remain faithful to God don't sin either which proves that God made all his
fanspeek 9 months ago
authority to rule this planet.Anyone who is familiar with how Kingdoms work knows that No King would ever entrust an entire province or something as precious as an entire planet over to just mere servants, No you do that for Princes and royal heirs. So no, God created us to be Sons & Daughters, which is yet another lie that Allah deceived you into believing that you were just a mere slave or servant. That is a big lie, don't cheat your self out of your right. If you have a problem with
fanspeek 9 months ago
a Lie!!!. The purpose of a lie is to hide, conceal, and to distract people from finding the Truth. A lie when best told is designed to look like the Truth and yet still retain the qualities of being in fact a Lie to distract and detract people from finding and accepting Ultimate Truth. My dear Muslim brothers & sisters you have been deceived, because Not only was Adam created perfect in the beginning without sin, he was a Son of God whose help meet was Eve, and they were both given the
fanspeek 9 months ago
to be forgiven as we do. Now, except you're willing to believe that the real God intentionally created us to be sinners which would make him evil, The God of the bible sounds more like what a perfect holy Creator would create.
The bible then further describes in detail how Mankind fell from Glory through Adam. The Qur'an failed to mention the fall of Man, so the Quran essentially states that the universal problems we face are in existent because they just are. With all due respect that is
fanspeek 9 months ago
that we human beings are sinful creatures. From the time a child a born, you don't need to teach a child how to lie, steal, disobey e.t.c. To err is human indeed. Why would a Perfect, Holy, Righteous God created the grossly imperfect creatures that we obviously are? From what I gathered from the Qur'an that's just how we are. The bible says otherwise, According to the bible the first man that God created Adam was a perfect sinless creature. He did not need to pray five times a day for his sins
fanspeek 9 months ago
determine how the problem can be solved. My dear Muslim brothers & sisters, having read the Qur'an myself before, It is with love that I say that only the bible addresses the issue of Mankind's problem, How it started, What the cause was, Where it occurred, and What was Ultimately done to reverse the effects the universal problem. The universal problem that we all have as human beings is "Sin". Now God is our creator right? & God is righteous & Holy isn't he? How else do you explain the fact
fanspeek 9 months ago
been victimized. Victimized by deceit, foul manipulation, Lies that have been propagated by forces who clearly have wicked intentions for all of us, so we need not bash each other. So, since we all should be able to agree that we have a common enemy, how can our problem be solved? The same way you solve any problem. First you have to acknowledge that there is a problem, then you have to know what the cause of the problem is. Except you know how the problem started, there is no way to
fanspeek 9 months ago
To these well observed problems that we encounter on a daily basis. I also want to say that I completely understand your position as a Muslim. It is our instinct as humans to defend that which we have held dear and true for a long time, so I don't expect you to wholeheartedly accept what I have to share with you right away. The Truth is regardless of whatever your religion is be it Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, what we all have in common as fellow human beings is that we have all
fanspeek 9 months ago
@Min90Ra, @alfulani5, first of I want say that this is not about Christianity vs. Islam or vice versa, it's about the Truth. The Truth is more important than religiosity, or the traditions of men. The Truth of the matter is that the world we live in is filled with many problems. Mankind has suffered emotional, psychological, physical, mental, and spiritual problems and continuos to do so. What every well intentioned practitioner of any religious faith aims to do is to seek answers cont...
fanspeek 9 months ago
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I have question for a Christian brother, who is willing to answer?
razaa09 9 months ago
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razaa09 9 months ago
@alfulani5 I know that's what I'm saying. God does not need to come down to earth as a man to forgive our sins. He can do it from heaven.
DarweeshX11 9 months ago
@ogunitracy we turn to god to cleanse our sins not jesus. don't u think god knows when we turn to him? if we turn to god then yes he can simply forgive our sins. just think about it, there's nothing god can't do
DarweeshX11 9 months ago
@DarweeshX11 We are discussing it is so UNGODLY for God to be born as a human and "die for your sins"
Even in todays context a Head of a company can overrule the laws of the company. For example if he comes late to the office no employee questions him. Whereas employees have to explain or endure a cut in their pay.
We believe in a God who is all powerful and most merciful. He is not governed by anyone and he can unish or forgive anyone without having to explain to anyone.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@ogunitracy what i'm saying is that god does not need to "die" for our sins, surely he forgive our sins in heaven it's god. And of course he can show us in heaven how to lead our lives. God can do everything and I'm sure everyone here agrees with me
DarweeshX11 9 months ago
@DarweeshX11
if God will simply forgive our sins, can't we just do whatever we like? The true followers of Jesus come to him for cleansing from their sins and so cannot do whatever they like or they are simply deceiving themselves
ogunitracy 9 months ago
lol there's no point in arguing with this video it's all flawed
DarweeshX11 9 months ago
the question is why does god need to enter human flesh when he can do everything he wants from above? is there anything that he can't see from above? anything he can't hear from above? is there anything he can't do from above?
DarweeshX11 9 months ago
@DarweeshX11
he can't die for our sins unless he's in human form. he can't show us how to leave the perfect life if he's in heaven where we can't see him
ogunitracy 9 months ago
Christians worship a God who requires human sacrifice.
Why cant he forgive the sins without his son (or himself??) having to sacrifice his life?
Man You are worshiping one ARROGANT and mean God who likes human sacrifice.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@ConservativePlanet
you know you're being hateful, right?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
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@TheEYeZzZz 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:7-8 (KJV)
markforthefallen 10 months ago
@TheEYeZzZz
in case u didnt notice JESUS is not a creation he is the creator in the form of a human
i think u r the one who is confused
u need to do some researches so u can understand
trymine2 10 months ago
Beautiful argument.
gunner23 10 months ago
@gunner23 The king of the world seeing his son drowning is such a dumb example.
Unlike the king of the world, GOD MAKES THE POOLS OF MUD AND HE IS CAPABLE OF SAVING HIS SON OR CREATIONS WITHOUT MOVING FROM HIS PLACE. HE IS CAPABLE OF REMOVING THE POOL OF MUD IN A TRILLIONTH OF A SECOND IF HE WILLS.
Christians limit Gods powers and compare it to that of humans.
Allah the most merciful can forgive our sins without anyone having to offer human sacrifice.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
Ethics isn't reducible to power. It is a category mistake to say that if God his all-powerful, he can just make the sins go away. And perfect justice requires that crimes are punished. You say that the most merciful can forgive them without punishment but you don't seem to notice that this would mean that God is most merciful with the expense of not being most just. Only Christianity can maintain God's perfect mercy and justice at the same time.
HaecceitasQuidditas 9 months ago
@HaecceitasQuidditas
Perfect justice means the culprits are punished.
What kind of justice is this: One man dies 2 millenia ago to give licence to billions of Christians to engage freely in every sin under the sun.
Excuse me but this is as stupid as executing another person in place of a murderer, and setting him free.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
Even in the realm of human justice, there are various ways in which the consequences can be transferred. For example, one can choose to pay a fine that another person would be obliged to pay, and perhaps more importantly, a group or an organization may be responsible for the actions of their representative in some contexts. The one obvious injustice would be if an innocent person was FORCED to take the penalty, but that's not what Christianity teaches at all (Continued...)
HaecceitasQuidditas 9 months ago
@HaecceitasQuidditas Please the more examples you bring the stupider it gets.
Paying on behalf of someone is different than offering ones life. What would the world call me if I tell a court of law to hang me instead of a serial killer?
And worse if I offer myself BEFORE even the case is closed people will call me a lunatic.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
My point was that there are SIMILARITIES and you pretend that my claim was about things being IDENTICAL with how our legal systems work. Obviously things aren't exactly the same when we are talking about the moral relationship between God and men rather than men and men. Plus there were other points you didn't even bother to answer because you seem to insist on ignoring the bigger picture. Calling opposing views "stupid" doesn't count as an argument.
HaecceitasQuidditas 9 months ago
@HaecceitasQuidditas
But you are bringing example from men to men relationship. For example when a man cannot pay a fine, he suffers. And if one offers to pay his fine he will be happy.
But what you are saying is like one guy pays ALL the fines in the world upfront and gives them licence to engage in all the sins one could ever think of. Evangelists in the third world (where I live) call people to Christianity based on this this free licence matter.
What other points didn't I answer?
alfulani5 9 months ago
there is no license to sin u dont understand the holy spirit once u have true faith in jesus god writes his law on our hearts and the holy spirit indwells in us it is this that teaches us and keeps us from sinning now we have gods spirit if we are not naturally following gods comandments we are not saved as for the debt "For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience (jesus) many will be made righteous because he was sinless and yet died @alfulani5
cholo123321 9 months ago
@cholo123321
Muslims believe in Allah who MAKES THE LAWS, and CAN FORGIVE WHOEVER REPENTS SINCERELY without him having to humiliate himself.
Christians worship a GOD whose powers are limited and he himself is governed by a set of laws. This means God has someone else over him who puts down the laws.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
if allah is not governed by a set of laws, can he lie?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@alfulani5
No, God has to punish our shortcomings because they are wrong. according to him, the due punishment is death. he doesn't want to kill all of us so Jesus takes the punishment. Anyone who believes in him has to hold that sacrifice as sacred and do everything in their power to avoid sinning or else, they will still be punished for their sins. it is not a free license.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Christians are really stupid due to 2 reasons:
1. God is God because he can do EVERYTHING he wants. He doesn't have to answer to anyone. He can pardon anyone he wants without having to justify to anyone.
2. And it is totally insane to kill some one else instead of the actual culprit. It is like killing another person in place of Saddam Hussain.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
God cannot do everything. he cannot die, for instance
1. if he pardons whoever he wants, is it fair to him that these people do not value his forgiveness?
2. If God himself wishes to die for our sins instead of punishing us, is that not mercy? have you forgotten that you said he can do whatever he likes?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy
2. If God died for your sins that gives a free licence to sin. Probably thats the reason why Christians like Bush orchestrated 911 killing his own people and use it as a reason to kill millions more. And probably thats is the reason why Christian women question WHY GET MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN, why cant we go topless like men, why cant we screw other women like men (with strap on dicks), and why can we have sex with dogs, so and and so forth.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
Jesus dying for your sins is not a free license to sin. when you come to Jesus, it is because you are a sinner and wished to be saved. if you wish to continue sinning, you are not really saved. you will still die for your sins.
anyone who does not follow Jesus teachings is a hypocrite no matter what they claim. All the things you accuse Bush and Christian women of doing are seen as wrong in the bible and so anyone who does them is a hypocrite and not a christian.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy
That would make 99.9 % Christians hypocrites, and going to hell!!
this is confusing.
You said those who sin are hyporcites.
SO GOD DIED TO PARDN THOSE WHO DONT SIN.
Whats going on?
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
Your statistic is wrong. how many Christians have you met that you claim to know the percentage that are hypocrites? If you haven't met all of them, where do your statistics come from?
Those who sin and justify their sinful acts like in your examples are hypocrites. true Christians see that these things are wrong and try their best knowing that as the Bible says, the Holy spirit is making us more and more perfect everyday. they aim for perfection and trust god with their failures
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy oKAY
May be it is 100% hypocrites!!
I have never come across OR KNOWN OF a Christian who practices what he preaches, like offering the other cheek, loving the enemy etc.
For example the idiot in this video who portrays himself to be a perfect Christian is NOT LOVING HIS EMENY!!
Dont tell me hurting feelings of the Enemy counts as LOVING THE ENEMY?
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
the keyword in your sentence is maybe. My guess is that you've never met any and you're simply viewing people through broken lenses. just what in David's video shows how unloving he is? I have been to two churches here full of good christians. if you think that David and Nabeel are bad people, your view of bad is definitely crooked. can you tell me what he has done wrong?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@alfulani5
i'm sorry he hurt your feelings. if you don't want to know the truth don't come here. his intention is to help you, not hurt you
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Love your enemy means NOT TO HURT HIM AND DO GOOD TO HIM.
These guys killing a mosquito in my hand with a sledge hammer. YES His "intention" is to do good to me by killing the mosquito, but in the process they break my hand.
Insulting Quran and the Prophet is definitely not doing good. It is stirring up hate!!
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
he is doing good to you. by showing you the truth and how you can live a perfect and happy life. how happy are you serving a God who gives his followers no assurance of their salvation and gives no advice on how to stop sinning? do you not fear that for all your worship you might still go to hell?
He is not insulting anything. He is simply showing you the truth.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy This is like marketing. If one promotes his products explaining how good it is and what it can do better etc. it really means he has a superior product
BUT IF HE PROMOTES HIS PRODUCTS BY CONDEMNING THE OTHERS, it only means his product has nothing special and the only thing he wants is PROMOTING HIS PRODUCT BY ANY MEANS.
If you know David tell him his approach is wrong from all angles, and he will only recruit money centered arrogant people.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
if I tell you that something is wrong and that thing is indeed wrong, i am condemning your ideaology, but not because I want to be mean or petty. If he's saying the truth about Islam - and he is - then listen to him instead of condemning him for saying things you don't like. if you believe everything he says is untrue, make a video and tell us how. if you can't tell us how it is untrue, do yourself a favour and keep your untrue beliefs to yourself
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy It looks you dont understand me.
First, if what you are telling is the truth why not convince people based on the truth, without throwing sarcastic remarks and lying about Islam and quoting Islamic texts grossly out of context.
Second, If I were to listen to you YOU SHOULD PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. If the Dearbon Police arrested you should should have kept quite OR OFFERED TO STAY LONGER IN JAIL, in line with the "offer the other cheek" thing. I see HYPOCRISY and SIN here.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
like i said, make a video with good information about what he said wrong. you have given me no evidence, only statements.
as far as turning the other cheek, Jesus did not mean us to be stupid. the bible continually warns against stupidity. keeping quiet means that this will happen to others and offering to stay longer is stupidity, not turning the other cheek. educating others is the right thing to do. the wrong thing would be to repay the officers in their own coin.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy I can find fault in every single statement of David. He is a pathological LIAR who takes things totally out of context. Even the worst of Muslim find him hilarious. And the other pathological LIAR Nabeel claims to be an Arab and Muslim, whereas he is a Paksitani and Ahmadi (who got nothing to do with Islam).
Can you tell me to whom do you offer the other cheek then?
From your actions it looks you offer other cheek to those more powerful than you and jump all over the powerless!!
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
okay, give me an example of one of the faults
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Watch this
/watch?v=lg_BJsrlzt0
This pathological liar says the prophet had sex with a 9 year old girl. He makes it looks like a case of rape, whereas he got married and took care of her till his death.
Is he so dumb to understand when numerous people have explained the line Islam draws for getting married is puberty. NOT THE AGE!!
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
okay, so assuming there is a nine year old girl who has attained puberty, a man can marry her?
A nine year old is never intellectually matured enough to understand marriage even if she already has her period.
a nine year old's body is never physically mature enough for sex. a woman's body does not become ready for sex simply because she has her period.
there is no case of a nine year old who has completely gone through puberty so that her body is ready for sex.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
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@ogunitracy
1. You said "a nine year old's body is never physically mature enough for sex. a woman's body does not become ready for sex simply because she has her period"
WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?
2. Colonial period is over, and how come you who preach freedom, and freedom of religion expect everyone to live by YOUR rules??
alfulani5 9 months ago
@ogunitracy And you still have not told me
1. TO WHOM ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO OFFER THE OTHER CHEEK? AND WHOM YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO INSULT IN THE GUISE OF TELLING TH TRUTH.
2. YOU STILL HAVE NOT EXPLAINED THE HYPOCRISY OF NABEEL WHEN HE UTTERS BLATANT LIES ABOUT HIS PAST.
3. AND YOU HAVE NOT REPLIED DAVID'S MISLEADING STATEMENT WHERE HE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THE PROPHET HAD EXTRA MARITAL SEX.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
1. you are to offer the other cheek to anyone one who harms you. David and Nabeel have not attempted to take retaliation in any way so they have kept that law. This is not retaliation. This is educating others.
2 & 3. I have not seen the lies. Please tell me how these are lies so I refute you.
Out of curiosity, do you now agree with me that Muhammad's having sex with Aisha is wrong? you are silent on the topic.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy You are being deceptive as Hypocrite David!!
The prophet GOT MARRIED!! And of course Marrying a post pubescent girl is acceptable as long as SHE AGREES TO THE MARRIAGE.
Watch
/watch?v=tSDR2aWegrM&feature=related
To know about the LIAR Nabeel
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5 you call me deceptive. can you say what lie i have told?
A nine year old girl, whether she has attained puberty or not, does not understand marriage and sex so it does not matter whether she says yes or not. she does not understand what she is saying yes to because she is nine years old.
do you know a nine year old who understands sex like you do? You tell me it is okay. why is it okay when she does not understand what she is saying?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy
You said "a nine year old's body is never physically mature enough for sex. a woman's body does not become ready for sex simply because she has her period"
WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?
Or you are one of the sick evangelists who expects others to accept everything you say just because you said it?
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
don't complain if i gross you out.
firstly, the legal age for sex in developed countries is 18 because scientists have determined that that is the mature age both physically and intellectually.
secondly, when i had my first period, I had no hips. if i had had sex then and gotten pregnant, i would have died in childbirth.
thirdly, menstruation happens in the middle of puberty, not at the end and the hips don't completely develop till the end.
at the earliest, puberty if finished by 12
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy You are getting off track here.
My point was PROPHET MARRIED A YOUNG WOMAN, but David (and you) make it look like extra martial sex. I PROVED BOTH OF YOU AS DECEIVERS but Instead of ADMITTING YOU ARE LIARS OR refuting it, you go on to explaining gynecology. .
And 2 more points: 1. Just because you did not get hips it doesnt mean every other girl will not get it
2. If there is scientific evidence show them to me!
3. In Islam marriage is permitted after puberty BUT NOT ENFORCED
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
we didn't say it is extra-marital sex. we say it is rape because a nine-year old is not intellectually mature enough. show me where we called it extra-marital sex.
The hips are only fully developed at the END of puberty.
menstruation happens in the MIDDLE of puberty.
a girl's hips are not fully developed at 9.
It does not matter if it is not enforced, people practice it because Muhammad said it was right.
i am explaining gynecology to you. is that not scientific evidence?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy If you had an under grown hip it doesn't everyone in the world will be the same.
If you were to prove your point give me solid scientific info. I dont give a damn when YOU started your period and what your hip size was!!
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
i cannot watch that video because i have a headache right now and because i would have to pick off all the points one by one to refute them. that would take too long. give me the points one at a time and I will refute them.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy If you are too tired to watch the video here are the points.
1. David says in one video Nabeel is Pakistani and Nabeel says in another video he is Arab. Pakistanis are NOT ARABS!!
2. Nabeel admits he was Ahmadi. Ahmadism is possibly the furthest from Islam started by an Indian lunatic who mixed up a few Islamic concepts with Christianity. This mad man who died while defecating (worst possible death according to Islam) has been unanimously declared a Kafir by ALL Muslims.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
His skin is the color of an Arab's and his family is from pakistan. Can you put two and two together? Even if they both made a mistake, that proves what exactly?
They read the Qu'ran. They follow Muhammad. They consider themselves Muslims. That makes them Muslims. In case you do not know, I'll tell you why Ahmadis are rejected. They believe the violent verses are abrogated and only peaceful verses should be followed. what does that say about the rest of you?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy It proves he is a LIAR. And it looks you haven't seen neither a Pakistani NOR an Arab., Nabeel doesn't look anything like an Arab. He looks like a South Indian!!
And who the hell do you think you are to tell me what is Islam and what is not! I and 99.99% of Muslims say Ahmadis are not Muslim!! And this NABEEL is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. And you defending a LIAR automatically become a LIAR yourself!
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
did i talk about my hips again? here's what i said:
The hips are only fully developed at the END of puberty.
menstruation happens in the MIDDLE of puberty.
a girl's hips are not fully developed at 9.
get a science textbook.
Nabeel believes he was actually a muslim. they can't agree on whether he is arab. that makes them confused, not liars.
i tell you that the Ahmadis are rejected because they refuse the violent verses. you agree with me.
good, we're making progress.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Some girls go through puberty when they are 8 or earlier!!
NABEEL THE LIAR SAYS that he is an Arab. Whereas his friend David says he is a Pakistani!! So that makes Nabeel or David a LIAR!! Looking at the dark skin of Nabeel and features it looks he is a South Indian or a South Indian who migrated to Pakistan. NABEEL IS TELLING A LIE AND HE IS A LIAR!!
Ahmadis are not Muslim and they know it!! NABEEL LIES when he says he WAS A Muslim!!
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
yes, the earliest that girls start puberty is 8. the earliest that they finish is 12. puberty is a process, not an event.
If i think something and i am mistaken, I am mistaken. I am not a liar. there's a difference. If ahmadis think they are muslim and are not, they are mistaken, not liars. you say they are not muslims. they think they are.
Tell me the reasons Ahmadis are rejected, please. And you can try being more civil. You're giving me a pretty bad impression of muslims.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Giving you a bad impression about Muslims. THATS VERY FUNNY!! Evangelists lincluding LIARS David and Nabeel never have a good impression about anyone else other than themselves. They peddle their HATE to collect as much money as possible.
Ahmadis are NOT Muslim. If you want to find out about Ahmadis read about them yourself! I am not jobless to spoon feed you.
And I dont give a damn if you had your puberty at 20. Allah made humans from nothing and he knows whats good for them.
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
I'm happy that you're so certain of your views. I'd say your projecting the truth about yourself onto us but that's just my view. I pray you eventually find wisdom. When you do, you'll want to see the truth. I don't where you got all your misconceptions but may God help you.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
I NEVER AGREED WITH YOU ABOUT AHMADIS!! They are NOT MUSLIM AND THATS IT!! I never agreed with your reasoning. Ahamdis are rejected by Muslims for many reasons!!
AND I NEVER AGREE WITH LIARS!!
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5 terrorist
subsrebel 9 months ago
@subsrebel
It is proven ALL evangelists are HATE MONGERS AND LIARS with only one purpose in their mind: Rob as much as possible from the life savings of frail old people to fatten their pockets!!
alfulani5 9 months ago
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@ogunitracy
I see you dodging questions!!
1. You said "a nine year old's body is never physically mature enough for sex. a woman's body does not become ready for sex simply because she has her period"
WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?
2. Colonial period is over, and how come you who preach freedom, and freedom of religion expect everyone to live by YOUR rules??
alfulani5 9 months ago
@ogunitracy
1. We believe we will only know if we are pardoned or not only on the day of judgement AND NOT BEFORE THAT!! Which means we have to take all the precautions and do everything possible to get Gods pardon. Which automatically paves the way for a just and moral society. When someone is pre-pardoned whats there to stop him from committing murder and other evils?
FOR THE LAST TIME GOD IS NOT GOVERNED BY ANY LAWS. HE MAKES THE LAWS FOR HUMANS AND HE CAN OVER RULE AND CHANGE AS HE WANTS
alfulani5 9 months ago
@alfulani5
Christianity also teaches that the believer in some sense becomes a participant in Christ and Christ indwells the believer through the Holy Spirit. Christ's perfect righteousness becomes foundational to the believer's new identity, etc. So in a sense, one CAN say that when Christ died on the cross, the believer participated in that death and therefore the objection you gave loses its force.
HaecceitasQuidditas 9 months ago
@alfulani5
As for why the death of one man can have this effect, you need to remember that according to Christianity, Jesus wasn't just a man.
As for the "license", you are misrepresenting the Christian position. True, there will be sin even in the believer's life, but if one is continuously sinning and not even trying to resist temptations, not grieving for one's sins, etc., this may indicate that he isn't a true believer. Gratefulness expressed to God is a normal consequence of salvation.
HaecceitasQuidditas 9 months ago
Great argument! let those who have ears hear, some still won't understand a very clear straightforward message until the scales fall from their eyes.
motegn07 10 months ago
you are VERY SMART but unfortunately it still will not convince them because they just like what they are and dont wanna change it even they know it is wrong
trymine2 10 months ago
MUSLIMS DILEMMA (QURAN)
JESUS is the WORD and SPIRIT that proceeded from God. The WORD and SPIRIT of God is ETERNAL. JESUS is the ETERNAL WORD and SPIRIT of GOD tht took the flesh of man. The word and spirit of God cannot be created but it can create. The WORD ad SPIRIT (Jesus) of God NEVER die, but the flesh OF MAN can die . GOD is infinite, his mercy, judgement and love is infinite. Gods infinite LOVE and MERCY is in JESUS. This makes Gods MERCY, LOVE,JUSTICE infinite and perfect.
kind4love 10 months ago
Excellent video. I am greater than the god of islam (Allah) who cannot love.
kind4love 10 months ago
brilliant video. i signed up with this account just to tell you how i felt about it. i will link this video on my blog and summarise it, if that's okay with you?
thanks for sharing your insight. i have learnt a lot!
DanteDeoMinistries 10 months ago
hitler is dead and he is still alive ;)
why not? ;)
muramasa599 11 months ago