Part 2: As the North Koreans (and Chinese) formed ranks, Col Lee said in Chinese, "Lets get this dog and pony show on the road." What was unknown to them, was that Gen Boatner was the son of Chinese missionaries and spoke fluent Chinese. He replied quickly, "What is this bull you are trying to hand me?" It is said that 5000 jaws went "Duh!" at that moment. Boatner split the compound into smaller units, put in a second fence and moved the village away from the camp. This stopped the messages.
Part 1: The North Korean Chief of Staff, Col Lee, I believe, had surrendered and was in Camp 76. The villagers surrounding the single fenced compound were mainly North Korean. So, instructions from North Korea were easily slipped to the POW's. Their game was to have many prisoners killed to save face after losing so many American POWs in the North. Gen Boatner had to stop this. There were about 5000 POWs. Gen Boatner, with his rank covered, presented himself at a morning formation. Cont.
I was in Korea for one year,those are some of the most uptight people on earth,both North and South are full of "son of a bitchs"," "at least he was ours".,did you write "Real nice?".Go and live among the people there,train with their Army,patrol the DMZ,fly up North and see with your own eyes that it was "Real nice" that we had a SOB there.Koreans are very hard people,he could had been a lot worse.Some of the things the ROKs did shocked me,at first
I have "gone and lived" among the people there for three years, and I have been revisiting Korea every summer since 1996. The "real nice" comment was about OUR diplomats calling a friendly foreign head of state (and ally) a son-of-a-bitch. Back then, such candid commentary was not unheard of, and yes, Syngman Rhee was a very hard-headed tyrant when he didn't get his way(!), but remember what happened with the "Wikileaks" incident and how diplomats' comments can cause trouble.
@mlovmo I'm glad that I spent some time with a ROK unit,it gave me different insight than your typical GI would get.I made some solid friends and met some of their families.With Chun Doo there,it was a different time,different place.It's changed so much.When I got off rotation,I tried to get as far away from camp as I could,other than one close call,I never had any problems
@mlovmo The Best films I've seen on the Korean War.Be careful,having an objective view can be controversial.I understand what "Watchman" means by ROK-shock,I hope it's changed now,even in the South,it was a brutal culture compared to home,the 1st thing that left an impression was gender treatment."Look away cherry".I do appreciate "the world" more.I was there in the early 1980s,Imjin Scout during the Cold Peace,I'd love to go back and see why I've carried this piece of steel in my knee so long
...And it seems that you've had an education in human beings in your time in the Army: It's a tough lesson for many of us to learn that not everybody on this planet thinks, acts, and sees the world the way we do (and maybe it helps you better appreciate home?). I'm being sincere here. Really, I can't fault you for not liking some parts of the "tough side" of the Koreans. I don't like some aspects of their culture and society myself, but I'm still learning...
Gen. Dodd was not Court Martialed,he was relieved of command and reduced in rank to colonel on May 23, 1952 by a review board he was not allowed to address.The next year he was forced to retire,1977,4 years after his death,the Army officially restored Dodd's rank to Brigadier General.Gen.Van Fleet and General T. M. Watlington both praised Dodd and attempted to correct the injustice of how he was treated
"he was our son of a bitch". That was also a common sentiment held by many in the state/defense departments in the US during the 70's and 80's when we propped up certain asshole dictators in Latin America. They were autocrats, but hey, at least they weren't red!
Part 2: As the North Koreans (and Chinese) formed ranks, Col Lee said in Chinese, "Lets get this dog and pony show on the road." What was unknown to them, was that Gen Boatner was the son of Chinese missionaries and spoke fluent Chinese. He replied quickly, "What is this bull you are trying to hand me?" It is said that 5000 jaws went "Duh!" at that moment. Boatner split the compound into smaller units, put in a second fence and moved the village away from the camp. This stopped the messages.
wayne487msc 1 month ago
Part 1: The North Korean Chief of Staff, Col Lee, I believe, had surrendered and was in Camp 76. The villagers surrounding the single fenced compound were mainly North Korean. So, instructions from North Korea were easily slipped to the POW's. Their game was to have many prisoners killed to save face after losing so many American POWs in the North. Gen Boatner had to stop this. There were about 5000 POWs. Gen Boatner, with his rank covered, presented himself at a morning formation. Cont.
wayne487msc 1 month ago
I was in Korea for one year,those are some of the most uptight people on earth,both North and South are full of "son of a bitchs"," "at least he was ours".,did you write "Real nice?".Go and live among the people there,train with their Army,patrol the DMZ,fly up North and see with your own eyes that it was "Real nice" that we had a SOB there.Koreans are very hard people,he could had been a lot worse.Some of the things the ROKs did shocked me,at first
OldWatchman39 7 months ago
@OldWatchman39
I have "gone and lived" among the people there for three years, and I have been revisiting Korea every summer since 1996. The "real nice" comment was about OUR diplomats calling a friendly foreign head of state (and ally) a son-of-a-bitch. Back then, such candid commentary was not unheard of, and yes, Syngman Rhee was a very hard-headed tyrant when he didn't get his way(!), but remember what happened with the "Wikileaks" incident and how diplomats' comments can cause trouble.
mlovmo 7 months ago
@mlovmo I'm glad that I spent some time with a ROK unit,it gave me different insight than your typical GI would get.I made some solid friends and met some of their families.With Chun Doo there,it was a different time,different place.It's changed so much.When I got off rotation,I tried to get as far away from camp as I could,other than one close call,I never had any problems
OldWatchman39 7 months ago
@mlovmo The Best films I've seen on the Korean War.Be careful,having an objective view can be controversial.I understand what "Watchman" means by ROK-shock,I hope it's changed now,even in the South,it was a brutal culture compared to home,the 1st thing that left an impression was gender treatment."Look away cherry".I do appreciate "the world" more.I was there in the early 1980s,Imjin Scout during the Cold Peace,I'd love to go back and see why I've carried this piece of steel in my knee so long
OakIslandBandit 7 months ago
@OldWatchman39
...And it seems that you've had an education in human beings in your time in the Army: It's a tough lesson for many of us to learn that not everybody on this planet thinks, acts, and sees the world the way we do (and maybe it helps you better appreciate home?). I'm being sincere here. Really, I can't fault you for not liking some parts of the "tough side" of the Koreans. I don't like some aspects of their culture and society myself, but I'm still learning...
mlovmo 7 months ago
Gen. Dodd was not Court Martialed,he was relieved of command and reduced in rank to colonel on May 23, 1952 by a review board he was not allowed to address.The next year he was forced to retire,1977,4 years after his death,the Army officially restored Dodd's rank to Brigadier General.Gen.Van Fleet and General T. M. Watlington both praised Dodd and attempted to correct the injustice of how he was treated
OldWatchman39 7 months ago
"he was our son of a bitch". That was also a common sentiment held by many in the state/defense departments in the US during the 70's and 80's when we propped up certain asshole dictators in Latin America. They were autocrats, but hey, at least they weren't red!
joshuaoha 1 year ago