La correspondance entre Marie-Anoinette et Axel de Fersen

[TheAmericanEvita]

Non. C'est n'est pas vrai. il n'y a pas de evidence que Fersen et Marie etait amants. Elle etais la reine, sa vie etaitt tres publique. Elle n'ai pas une vie privee. Marie aime a son mari Louis. Au contraire de sa image comme une reine du plaisir et sensualite, elle vraimment etais Catholique et simple.

[lovesGenet]

Wow, this too is fascinee.I must find book by Bertiere.. There had to be spy's everywhere I cnt beleive she a Catholic would have allowed that to happen even if they loved each other .He risked his life for her but a smaller carriage and retinue would have attracted less attention .she could have escaped her family was damn powerful. her brother's (later emperor's ) had no strong desire save Bourbon's& put them back on throne.Louis' two brothers later ruled .

[ArmourPeach]

I wish I could speak frensh T.T

[fan2jnrc]

Eh oui! Pile poil!

L'histoire du phimosis est une légende. Louis XVI n'avait pas de phimosis et n'a jamais été opéré. C'est justement ce que prouve S. Bertière ; et plein d'autres choses encore sur le sujet...

En même tout devait être proportionné chez le roi, il faisait quand même 1m92...

Franchement c'est "the" biographie à lire. "Marie-Antoinette l'insoumise" c'est paru en Livre de Poche.

[bobduvar]

Bon alors, il l'a pêcho ou pas pêcho ?

Moi j'dis qu'il l'a pêcho !!!!

C'était une chaudasse Marie Antoinette !!!!

Une gourmande de la bite !!!!

Et Axel de Fersen était monté comme un taureau !!

T'as raison Marie, régales toi !!!

[fan2jnrc]

"Ah qu'en termes galants ces choses là sont dites..."

[bobduvar]

Pourquoi ? Pensez vous qu'au siècle des Lumières, les propos crus tels que j'ai employés n'étaient pas usités ?

Regardez le film de Patrice Leconte "Ridicule" et vous comprendrez aisément que le 18ème siècle était un siècle de cruauté et que Marie-Antoinette était jugée avec des mots bien pires que les miens.

Ceci dit je reconnais que j'ai été assez.....rustique.

[fan2jnrc]

Certes! A côté des indescriptibles pamphlets contre la reine publiés à l'époque, comme "Les Fureurs utérines de Marie-Antoinette" ou "Les Amours de Charlot et Toinon", votre intervention est presque fleur bleue...

Pour info, Marie-Antoinette avait le passage très étroit, et c'est Louis XVI qui était monté comme un taureau. Il lui faisait très mal, d'où les difficultés de consommation du mariage. Voir la récente biographie de Marie-Antoinette par Simone Bertière...

[bobduvar]

Ha bon ?!

J'ignorais que Dame Nature avait gâté le Roi.

La légende dit que Louis XVI souffrait d'un phimosis qui est une affection de la verge et qui rend douloureuse l'érection. Ce qui expliquerait le fait que le Roi ait consommé le mariage sur le tard.

Je vais lire la biographie dont vous parlez.

[X33vince]

( -> the end ) A chemist unravels for us one of the processes used by Fersen and Marie Antoinette . ''So I take the first product ... [explaining something about it]'' This ink can't be seen by an human eye, only if mixed with a revelating substance . If the person who reads the letter doesn't know which specific product to add, the message keeps its mystery . ''The iron in his product will react with the first substance and blood-colored letters will appear''.

[X33vince]

(-> 0:30) The passion of the queen Marie Antoinette for the count Axel de Fersen is the story of a crazy love between the more handsome man inEurope and one of the mightiest queens in the world . So who is this beautiful Axel ? This man who gained many hearts and stole the reason of Marie Antoinette . In 1770, Marie Antoinette just married at the french Court, and Axel de Fersen is 15 years old . His father is the richest aristocra in Sweden . He leaves Stockholm in order to make an Europe tour

[X33vince]

(-> 0:53) and achieve his education . ''Immediately, in the three days following his arrival, he's presented to the royal Family . He doesn't fall in love, what interests him first are the pleasures of Paris'' However, very quickly he will win the queen's heart . ''He is very elegant, Marie Antoinette is concerned about good-looking, he's among those beautiful swedish men who came to the french Court and you can't miss him when you see him.''

[X33vince]

( -> 1:20) Time passes and bonds appear between Fersen and Marie Antoinette, growing stronger and stronger . This relation makes people in the court spread rumors, but those are not able to tear the two apart . Fersen decides he won't marry . He leaves the queen only when he goes to war for the independance of the united states . He's 25 years old . ''He will live mostly in France, closer and closer to Marie Antoinette, and they see each other almost everyday .''

[X33vince]

( -> 1:45) ''As time goes by, there will be a real, affectionate understanding . They have much in common . Very lonely people . In the same way to look at things . A bit provocative, in their young time especially . It is enough to read Fersen's notebook to notice this . During the american independance war, for example, he talks about horrid women with blackened, broken teeth . Or elsewhere, about boring english ladies .''

[X33vince]

(>2:13)''There is like that, a taste for acid storytelling that is also very well documented in Marie Antoinette's style .'' - ''As she knows he's going to leave, Marie Antoinette would have been seen with watering eyes'' Patricia is an historian . She spent three years studying the relation between Marie Antoinette and Fersen . For us, she goes into the Stockholm archives, where still today, lies the exchange of letters between the last french queen and the beautiful swedish man .

[X33vince]

(>2:49) ''From november 1723 appears a name, a certain Josephine . We know today it was a code name for Marie Antoinette . Since then begins an exchange of letters which will last until she dies .'' And the two lovers must be very cautious to keep their masks . To tell loving words or political secrets, they use a code . The technic of code letters works since the Antiquity . Each letter must be translated one by one . When it is really secret, they use chemicals to write with invisible ink.

[ArmourPeach]

Axel and Marie Antoinette: pure Love