I could care less if he did or didn't i don't acknowledge him period frankly am tired of hearing about him (jesus) over and over again its sad i have to live in a country that wont shut up about it and leave ppl alone.
@Ltaxe1, there is too many biblical evidence on the 70 year theory. 1) Look through Book of Jeremiah,Isaiah and others which states the "70 year captivity". 2) Read Jeremiah's Book of Lamentations saying "WORMWOOD" twice when he witnessed the destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians. 3) Book of Revelation by John mentions "WORMWOOD" a prediction concerning the destruction of the Temple by the Romans! THEREFORE, John and Josephus had the same idea: a repeat of history concerning the Temple!
I don't think its really all that relevant as to whether Jesus actually existed or not. If he did, he was a human being, not the son of god, and certainly did not perform miracles or was resurrected. He may have believed he was, and his followers may have believed it, but he was just a man. Or, he may not have existed, there were many prophets at the time, and crucifixion was common. It might have been a story compiled from the lives of several different men of the time.
FACTS:(1) "Messiah" is meant to be human figure. (2) The 70 year cycle was expected by both Jews and Christians after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. (3) Nothing substantial happened in 140 AD! (4) Therefore,the creation of Israel in 1948 is a natural phenomenon. (5) All 3 Abrahamic faiths are false and baseless.(6) The only factor is the MORAL CODES which have been followed by even the ancient Greeks and ancient Egyptians.(7) The moral codes derive from the senses - empiricism.
@cris750 what 70 yr cycle there is no such thing mentioned in the bible the way you are trying to use it. yet more proof that people that dont know what they are talking about should just shut up
The conclusion: Jesus is simply a human figure who died and was buried and NO RESURRECTION. Even if there was one, the 70 year cycle is a problem. If there was a resurrection then someone lied to his followers OR the so-called followers are LYING. Evidence: The Gospel of Matthew 27:52-53. OK, Josephus did NOT EVER mentioned this in his testimony or book. Therefore, the Gospels are propoganda books by Paul and others.
5.Jesus did exist. Many who knew him gave him the title "messiah". The problem is twofold: "messiah" is meant to be a human leader not "son of god" or part of trinity w/ god. Therefore,not a supernatural figure. The other problem is the 70 year cycle. There are statements from Josephus that he extracted from Jeremiah to say that the Romans were prophecied to destroy the Temple in 70 AD. Paul and John both expected RAPTURE in 140 AD! Josephus believed simply in the return of Jews to the land.
1. The Concept of "messiah" is different between Jews and Christians. 2. Josephus believed that the Roman emperor was a figure likeness of the Babylonian(Nebuchadnezzar) and Persian(Cyrus) kings.3. Therefore,at that time,Roman emperor Vespasian was called "messiah" by him b/c he thought a 70 year repeat was occuring with the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. 4. Therefore,it could be properly assumed that both early Jews and Christians thought something was going to occur in 140 AD!
I can't take Dan Barker seriously after hearing such a rediculous statement. He goes against the flow of the mass majority of mainstream historians, who some are even sympothetic to his atheistic worldview.
@AnglicanApologist72 - Horus is bullshit? You haven't done ANY research, have you?
Go to your public library and check out a translation of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead (e.g. by Renouf, or Faulkner). You'll see the Egyptians claimed that Horus is the avenger of God (his father), "All that liveth" are subject to Horus; he promises to get you into Heaven; he is "the Lord of all"; he "dieth not a second time"; there is baptism, and communion, 1500 years before "Jesus".
@SHYPBibleStudy No not at all. That's a bad theory. What I'm suggesting is that all those prophecies did not happen because they were destined to. They happened because those people were reading the OT and one guy fit the bill. Also, give me an example of one that doesn't involve a human element.
@IceCreamRueckert The chances of one guy "fitting the bill" is astronomically impossible. What do you mean by the "human element." A virgin birth...wouldn't that fit your criteria?
@SHYPBibleStudy still posting on an atheist site i see. i suggest you take your fairytale jibber jabber with youto a good old christian site,where denial is as noble as your book of fairytales. or check out the thinking atheist site, this does require critical thinking. hope your up for that.
I actually attended UCLA as a history major. This lecture is especially amusing to me because there is a course there about the historical Jesus. We had the pleasure of learning that the hypothesis that Jesus was mythical is not widely supported in academia. We were shown that only one of Josephus' passages was worked over later by Christians. One does not need to believe in supernatural mumbo-jumbo to accept the historicity of Jesus.
@IceCreamRueckert Off the top of my head...Jesus being born in Bethlehem, Jesus escaping to Egypt, Jesus being born of a virgin, Jesus being of the line of David and the tribe of Judah. Um...Jesus being sold for 30 pieces of silver. What are you suggesting? That the authors wrote these lies because they knew the prophesies? Because that is an old theory, my friend.
Jesus did perhaps exist but certainly not the one described in the bible. If the dead arose from their graves after Jesus died on the cross (Matt 27:52) then that would have been such an amazing event that it would have been widely reported around the ancient world. But its only mentioned in ONE gospel. The gospels cannot be relied upon to give an accurate portrayal of Jesus, if indeed he did exist.
You really need to study the issue before coming to conclusion about did Jesus exist or not. I'm at the point where I agree with the popular opinion: The person probably did exist. It's a minor point though.
I believe he existed, the effort that went into showing how he was decended from King David (although the lieage differs in gospels) in order to fulfill the Jewish messianic prophecies and the effort to place him in Bethlehem for the same reason through the "census" (which didn't happen) are pointless for an invented character. Only if it is based on a real character would the effort have been made to somehow link this real character to the prophecy even though it doesn't quite fit exactly.
@MHenebury I should think he probably didnt exist. The argument against the census story, "why would it be made up", its drama. Because every prophesy story always has this kind of twist, Herod Agrippas mothers cart had a broken wheel so she had to stop off for the night in Bethlehem where Herod Agrippa was born, or so he claimed. No prophesy would be complete if there was no drama and twist, same goes for Herod the Great killing all the babys, its a gripping story.
Dan barker's filthy godamn eyes looks devilish. His fingers are just nasty disgusting looking. He Hates God, because God is not like he want him to be, or like he thinks in his filthy devil hell bound mind he should be.
Take this issue into the ProCathedral and all the other Catholic Churches in America. Make these ghastly edifices the place for discourse and win back the schools and the kids from the cuckoo church and all its subverted secular servants and agents....
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yes dan barker. there is a god. there is also a hell if u dont believe in god u will go 2 hell weather u believe in it or not. u should have learned in your debate with todd freil.
Everything you think you know about this god of yours is strictly hearsay. There is no evidence.
Please describe this god of yours. Is it male, female or just an it. Please describe where it lives, does it eat, sleep? Does it have human characteristics?
According to the teachings of christianity, we are made in the image of your god. Do you believe that this is true?. Please be specific as to the nature of this god. please go into detail of what he/she/it looks like.
your following the same delusion as millions of others if you believe in hell like the rest of the flock of sheep. show me the proof of thye devils abode...
we have not one Jewish, Greek, or Roman writer, even those who lived in the Middle East, much less anywhere else on the earth, who ever mentions him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary, and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarrassing fact.
The bible itself will tell you that the israelite people followed the religions that surrounded them. How many times did Yahweh punish people for worshipping other gods in the bible? too many to count. Any christian that denies the similarity of other religions hasn't read their bible or theological work.
Well yea, Jesus/Yeshua existed, there are literally several of them in recorded history, probably hundreds that we don't know about. Jesus/yeshua was a very popular name in ancient times like "john" however not one Jesus from Nazareth existed, only cause Nazareth didn't exist during Jesus' time line, it does not fit.
@Vegasgodless ;Sorry but you're wrong concerning the town of Nazareth. Check out the Jerusalem Post Dec. 22 2009. The reliability of the New Testament continues to be upheld.
WRONG! you need to check your sources, cause there's no archeological evidence of Nazareth to have existed during Jesus' time, fact is Nazareth came to existence on the second Century so far as the archeological evidence proves. You can't argue with what has been found on the ground!! Google "The Myth of Nazareth" a book written by an archeologist.
Several thousand years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus told his followers "I am the way, the truth, the life". Sound familiar?
The biblical Jesus myth is mostly recycled mythology, but Christians prefer to bury their heads in the sand, ignore what they don't want to hear, & be spoon fed simplistic, convenient, supernatural answers to a complicated natural reality.
It's interesting too that the divine Horus was dismembered and then brought back to life. Sound familiar? I can't think of a singe element of the story (virgin birth, signs in the sky, kings from the East, miracles, ascension to heaven etc) that are not found in earlier religions in the region.
Oh please not Horus stuff. Your statement is totally unfounded. Which internet site did you get that from? Its funny how the only things saying that Jesus is a copycat is on the web where everyone and their grandma can write whatever. Where is your scholarly support?
@jmd2980 Well, while it is true that there is a dearth of information on the web either supporting or refuting the Egyptian/Jesus connection, I would have to ask you the same. What are your scholarly sources refuting the similarities? I'm still researching the subject myself, but I'd like to see you answer your own challenge out of intellectual curiosity. Please cite sources, I wish to study them.
@xalysta13 A reasoned, intelligent education on history, mythology, and philosophy is largely beyond the attention span and interest of a large cross-section of mankind. Much of that cross-section prefers simple answers and avoids any significant mental exertion. Of course they will turtle up the moment you challenge them to actually educate themselves on such issues.
@xalysta13 While Christians may have taken some elements from other beliefs, the Horus shit is false. The Bible does contradict itself and there are no legit sources for Christ. The Josephus thing can be easily viewed as a forgery or "interpolation", hope I spelled that right, when reading it in more detail. Pliny the Younger didn't mention Christ directly and Tacitus mocked Christianity, called it superstition but cut the Zeitgeist crap.
@SHYPBibleStudy i suggest you read christ in egypt then ,by d m murdock. the christ figure is just astrological nonsense that evolved into jesus that gave the romans more control over the masses at that time. some people need religion, some of us will embrace this time knowing full well theres no nirvana awaiting us. to me it just seems childish to believe. i allways think that , heres a person that believes in such nonsense and they automatically go into the goofy pigeon hole.
@kram83au I suggest you read the actual documents that D M Murdock references. You will see her for the fraud that she is. Go to the actual source. Rather than believe what someone tells you, research and discover the truth for yourself.
@SHYPBibleStudy why didnt you bring up the source. wonder why. the sources that i have came across seem sound as a pound man. we could argue about interpretation. at the end of the day. religion is for fools, your not a fool are you. let me guess. mmmmmm
@kram83au Haha...She is a proven fraud. She has manipulated the legends of multiple ancient gods to sound like Jesus. Listen, there are plenty of solid reasons to list for being an atheist, but this garbage isn't one of them. This is bad history, and certainly you can believe bad history if you like. But you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of, believing fairy tales.
@SHYPBibleStudy with a name like yours and a site like yours, you have the credibility of a wasp. until; i hear anything otherwise, im going to run with her thoughts on astrological gods, makes more sense to me as being a part of the evolution of religion. if you cant see that, then you fall into the fundamentalist nutjob catagory. thats the way i see it and so do many others. the jesus dude myth is just that, he came about when so many other religions were on the go.religion is for the weak.
@kram83au I have the credibility of a wasp? What about her...she has no credible sources, yet for some reason you believe her fairy tales. I believe the actual Egyptian manuscripts. You should read them sometime.
@SHYPBibleStudy i have you wasp. and it all points to an evolving movement of religion. now stick yer brain dead comments where the sun dont shine, as i have nothing further to say to such denialists. be grateful for the comment.. good mental health to you, as your obviously in short supply of it. why do i bother.
@kram83au Why do you bother? Bother with what? I've asked you to read the actual Egyptian story of Horus. You obviously have not. It seems as if you believe everything you read without checking to see if what you are reading is true. That is sad.
@SHYPBibleStudy no amount of evidence will ever convince you that horus mithrus, osirus all played a part in the evolution of religious history. im not going to give you the evidence you lazy lad, just look around. of course, your the defender of the myth of christ, so youl just come back at me because your cant prove how worthy your faith is over any other and because your imaginary friend doesnt have it all in hand, hence your need to defend your position says it all. good day tae yi laddie.
@kram83au No amount of evidence? I'm looking at the evidence, atheist historians have looked at the same evidence, and still no credible historian believes this. It's not accurate. You need to read the story yourself. You still obviously have not. And Jesus couldn't possibly have been copied from Horus because the Messiah story of Judaism came first...so even if there were similiarities, which there are not, it wouldn't matter.
@kram83au Which real world is that? I study historical evidence and you study fairy tales. You refuse to read the ancient documents and instead read rhetoric on those documents. Horus was not a virgin birth, didn't have 12 disciples, didn't...I could go on and on, but you refuse to read the actual stories and prefer to live life believing something based on faith (that no historian believes).
@SHYPBibleStudy still defensive in your mythical god, yet you continue to reply , now why is that? yes their is so much misinformation and so much fact, and the fact is that your imaginary friend evolved from other imaginary friends. what a tizzy to get in, and why is that. cause you and your followers are a bunch of self deceivers. had you been born in another part of the world youd be following another imaginary friend, but hey dont apply reasoning, thats the last thing your book glorifies.
@kram83au I wouldn't believe what I do if it wasn't reasonable. That's why I study history and science and theology. You are right about one thing...if I was born somewhere else I would be worshiping another god. However, you are wrong about me being in a "tizzy." :) What does where I'm born have to do with truth?
@kram83au Why do you avoid intelligent conversation? Each of your posts is filled with insults, but not one real point was made. Not one question was answered. How am I a self deceiver? Because I study? Because I analyze? Because I think for myself?
@SHYPBibleStudy ''because i think for myself''.well, if you applied reasoning, you wouldnt believe in the mythical nonsense that you do. a self deceiver, im not at all surprised you cant figure that one out. which is a shame, as im quite sure we could have an intelligent conversation if you removed myths out of the equation.anyway, this is going nowhere. its a pity you cant apply the same reasoning as,the thinking atheist,saints revenge, dan barker, matt diillahaughnty. former preists,pastors.
@kram83au Yes I think for myself, and I'm trying to have a real conversation. Unfortunately, you seem incapable of making arguments...all you do is repeat that I believe in fairy tales. Just because you say it doesn't make it so. I can see that you're not interested in studying history or discussing philosophy, so why are you commenting in the first place?
@SHYPBibleStudy wont be pulled into your delusion, the romans recorded many events in there time and the one that sticks out is constantines collection of myths that he waded through to give you your book of fairy tales. i reiterate, religions evolved, you cant get away from those facts. so many gospells were expelled as you should well know. they never recorded the nonsense in the bible like talking donkeys snakes, walking on water, casting of demons into pigs, hand picked delusion get it.
@kram83au The difference between you and me is that I know exactly what you believe...apparently I know the atheist arguments better than you do, because you seem to be uneducated in the subject matter. I suggest you read some Dawkins and Sagan so you can make rational arguments. You are talking about historical things that you obviously have heard somewhere but have never studied yourself, and that's what saddens me. You think you know what I believe, but you haven't a clue.
@SHYPBibleStudy ive read, the god delusion, god is not great, the atheist universe, and im half way through the greatest show on earth. whos making assumptions now. you see, to me there isnt really an argument when, your discussing fairytales, its childish nonsense you know it, in your sub conscience , yet you know how to trick yourself other wise. i could pull out quotes etc, ,but whats the point when dealing with fools. oh and this is an atheist video dimwit, when you said why i post on here.
@kram83au Yes, I assume based on your juvenile arguments. You are not making good atheist arguments, rather you are making claims and saying they are facts when in fact they are not. And furthermore, I was wondering why you are holding a conversation with me when you have nothing to say. You are not discussing, debating, or teaching. You are calling me stupid and spreading hearsay by calling it fact.
@SHYPBibleStudy ive argued on many fronts, i just say it l;ike it is now, childish nonsense, your the sheep, im on a fact finding mission, hey just like dan barker. i came to the realisation, its like arguing about how the soldiers couldnt put humpty together again. hey did you ever read about the prayer study in the god delusion. tell ma about this. you should know, divine intervention and talking to imaginary friends.and being so knowledgable. in all.. what yi got then. entertain me then..
@SHYPBibleStudy ive argued on many fronts, i just say it l;ike it is now, childish nonsense, your the sheep, im on a fact finding mission, hey just like dan barker. i came to the realisation, its like arguing about how the soldiers couldnt put humpty together again. hey did you ever read about the prayer study in the god delusion. tell ma about this. you should know, divine intervention and talking to imaginary friends.and being so knowledgable. in all.. what yi got then. entertain me .
@kram83au Thank you for finally making a real argument. (Attacking this as fairy tales is not an argument.) That prayer study was definitely an interesting study, and to be honest with you, I would have expected results like that. Prayer is not about getting things or being healed. Prayer is about communication with God. If you look at the Bible how is prayer used. David expressed his anger with God. Jesus himself asked to not go through with it. It's not a vending machine, it's a relationship.
@SHYPBibleStudy science has been filling the gaps that were once filled by fools that believe in imaginary friends,. everytime science finds the answer,people like yourself throw up the deflector sheilds,denial, or change position. its embarressing to the skeptical mind that folk continually delude themselves in this day and age.abraham the pimp[morals] lol. so it doesnt matter what titbit il throw in your direction your just like the rest. your imaginary friend has it all in hand,so you think
@kram83au I have never changed my position/theology, and people who follow the Bible correctly don't either. Now, there are many Christians who have done this, and they have bad theology. They frustrate me just as they did Mr. Dawkins in The God Delusion. I will contest that atheists do exactly what you say as well. As soon as something new is discovered, they go back to the drawing board, make the world older...etc. etc.
@SHYPBibleStudy like dawkins pointed out, you can 10 biblical scholars in one room and get 10 different interpretations. picking and choosing. the cherry pickers as dawkins would have it ,and like you,they will say its about following it correctly.. as well. i admire your honesty.check out, [the history of gods] on you tube, that puts religion to bed exposing mans need to hide behide the extraordinary, without coming up with an extraordinary explanation.
@kram83au I agree you can get 10 different interpretations, but that doesn't mean there isn't a correct interpretation. The problem I have is the inconsistencies in catholicism and the reformed, which is the majority of christians today. But again, their inconsistencies doesn't mean that there is inconsistency in the Bible. Catholics follow much tradition that is not Biblical.
@SHYPBibleStudy just to remind you, it still childish nonsense to me . hitchens pointed that out as well.did you watch [the history of god]. also you are aware that jesus is merely a prophit in the eyes of islam. its a pity man didnt stick to one god, your faith would have stood a better chance. one mans god is another mans demon. check you tube for inconsistencys in the bible. its all there to see. how the hell can your imaginary friend be in 3 places at the same time,its in your book.
@kram83au I've seen the list of contradictions, and most of them are ridiculous and laughable. It'd be better to concentrate on a few, rather than stretch to reach 101. The miraculous thing is that with all the authors from many centuries that there aren't more supposed inconsistencies. Also, the Bible doesn't say that God is in 3 places at once. In fact, He is omnipresent. He is everywhere, which I hope we'd expect from an omnipotent God. We should continue this in private message...
@SHYPBibleStudy the son of god is in three places after getting his head dipped by john the baptist. no amount of evidence is going to move you, dan barker sees it and many xchristians see it. when critical thinking is appled and honesty, [check out[ not1delusion on you tube] a very honest video by a former christian. this wonderful world is all we have,so lets live it.until you remove the blindfold,i bid you you farewell ,enjoy the comic book.
10 different interpretations, but that doesn't mean there isn't a correct interpretation no prehaps not but it does indicate that the Bible is internally inconsistent and just bears wittness to the hand of mans creation.
So more than likely there is no correct interpretation it is just used to support the individuals view.
We could in fact start by tossing the entire new testament as Jesus is attributted, "Think not I have come to change the law (old testament).
@VideoAudioDisco09 Give me an example of what you're arguing. The fact that people can read something as literal or symbolic does not prove or disprove it's accuracy. In fact, most of the time you can study context and culture to come up with an education true answer.
Context and culture has been studied and that is what has been debunking the bible.
If you claim that literal or symbolic does not prove or disprove, then you admit there is nothing concrete within the bible. The difference is clear on many occasions which causes the discrepincies not to mention culturally by thier own admission the writtings werewritten in clear form of the day.
It is only modern appologists that twist it t try and give it false credibility.
@SHYPBibleStudy wont be pulled into your delusion, the romans recorded many events in there time and the one that sticks out is constantines collection of myths that he waded through to give you your book of fairy tales. i reiterate, religions evolved, you cant get away from those facts. so many gospells were expelled as you should well know. they never recorded the nonsense in the bible like talking donkeys snakes, walking on water, casting of demons into pigs, hand picked delusion, get it.
@gjsterp I see you've finally turned to more reasonable arguments...thank you for that.
Yes, I would agree that we have to trust the authors of the gospels and letters of Paul, Peter & John. Men that died for thing "imagined" or "real"? I guess that's the question. Also, things foretold in prophesy thousands of years prior.
Also, other historical authors that mention Jesus, including non-believers.
But yes, faith plays a big part, but the historical evidence is quite extensive.
@xalysta13 The CHRIST myth is recycled to some extent. Christ = christian figure / Jesus: jewish preacher. That's crazy how people keep misunderstanding that.
thats just a coincidence in the english language... although christianity is based on old religions in which the worship was on sundays and also worshiped sun gods
If Jesus did exist, and thousands knew him as the Messiah, wouldn't SOMEONE have kept a couple of souvenirs? He supposedly worked as a carpenter for 20 years...not one table kept? Chair? Cutting board? Absolutely nothing.
@Pablo113 Jesus was a preacher who said he did/was thought to do miraculous healings. There is nothing supernatural in here. Muhammad SAID he talked with God. Does that mean he is Santa Claus too?
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This guy just seeks attention. Listen to Habermas vs Anthony Flew debate on Christianity... and you'll see 100% evidence that Jesus Christ existed, died on the cross, and the most reasonable explanation to what happened next was a resurrection from the grave - otherwise the christian faith wouldn't exist. Please visit my channel too, and check out the interview on Near death experiences, which all but proves the reality of the afterlife. subscribe if you like.
This guy seeks a little level playing field against the $300 billion dollars that go to build football stadium size 'auditoriums' for the peddlars of christianity (and other religions) every year!
As more people become educated they realize that Christianity is nothing more than superstition. And a harmful one, that causes bigotry, devisiveness, ignorance and hatred.
I say it's about time, and GOOD RIDDANCE to the hypocricy of this cult.
Let's say your wife says she's pregnant .. You have not had sex with her in say ... 2 years. She claims she has not cheated on you and does not know how this could have happened. Would you believe in her or dna test your mailman, milkman, neighbor, dog, etc .. ?
Wish we had DNA testing 2000 years ago. We would have found out that the next door carpenter was indeed Jesus's dad and Joseph was just a dumb gullible douche :)
Supposed evolution assumes living neurons without a spiritual base.
There's never been any of those.
:-O
"For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." (Heb 2:10)
What's the difference between stories about Jesus and stories about Odin, Rama, Osiris, Gilgamesh, Izanami etc.? Aside from time & social acceptance...
I think the difference between myth and religion is point of view based on time and geography. All present religions will be considered myth in time....just not soon enough for me.
trac4yt, small typo in your previous post, it's fallible not infallible, also whilst im here, cheer up mate, replace your bible with a hot water bottle, provides more comfort, is tangible and doesnt propergate illogical mumbo jumbo. if you going to insist on a book to live your life by may i suggest "there's a monster at the end of this book" narrated and staring grover..awesome read..quite enlightning too!
Men deny the presence of a God because they want to be sinners, huh?
So why in hell don't I also deny the presence of a Justice system so I can go steal my neighbor's big-screen TV?
While I'm at it, I'll deny Gravity and that way I can fly, too!
The only people who reason that way are the ignorant fools who have been indoctrinated into superstition for so long, they will believe anything they're told so long the promise of eternal life for them and hell for their enemies follows.
Aren't you glad, after you get saved, He gives you the opportunity to listen in?
Receive Christ.
Then you'll see MUCH MORE.
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these." (Joh 1:50)
trac4yt, genesis "god SAID let there be light" who was he talking to? think about it, use your evolved brain but somewhat flawed reasoning, if this was the first "act" there would be no need to verbalise an action, no one else around, was there? dang maybe talks to himself, which is a little unsettling, Keep up the good work.... oh btw i dont buy the your eternal soul dammed bs, but give it you best shot next post.
AFTER you receive Christ, God will give you understanding..
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (Lu 24:44-45)
still got to work on that standup routine trac4yt, can see your trying, just work on your delivery and punchline and maybe consider some new material, i here little red riding hood is a good story too, not sure quoting it will get you the same laughs. Just putting out there.
Like those who heard the Words of Jesus Christ, your response would be similar..
"If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father." (Joh 15:24)
:-O
You don't LIKE the content of God's Words, nor His methods.
How do you call out a christian? You educate them on the fact that they've actually hijacked a pagan tradition and called it christmas, hijacked the same stories and messiahs that predate christianity by thousands of years and put it in their bible, et cetera, et cetera...
What did you use as your sources for such stunning conclusions - the zeitgeist?
I am no christian or even theist but I roll my eyes at anyone who says jesus didn't even exist - Barker included. The Gospel of Thomas (+ all other Gnostic Gospels)? Q? Cornelius Tacitus? Josephus' writings on James being Jesus' brother (which align with the recent scrolls saying to have been written by this same James, dated within the 1st century AD)?
Josephus' controversial passage, minus the italics? etc. etc.
God sets the methodology whereby "proof" is assessed. And by which you will be judged.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE:" (Ro 1:20)
The "proof" games of fallen sinners are ultimately valueless.
God doesn't need the permission of Bible critics to fulfill His prophetic Word.
Christians are a joke. I wish you would all grow up and snap out of your little im going to heaven dream. Some guy or a group of guys sat and wrote a book on what he thought was good ideas and good morals to follow and blah blah blah. And he just says you should believe in me. and if you dont your going to hell. and if you do anything i say not to do your going to burn and rot in hell for ever and ever and cry and scream, but i love you.
You condemn to hell all gods, except one, while producing evidence of none. I present the Lord of the Flies, the unicorns, and elves of netherland..all as real, to twist and to steal, you'll never believe, until you see. I speak to god as he speaks to me - with silence. I show god my worship, as he shows his love - with inaction. All is fair in the love game, unless one side dare not speak, which breaks the rules forever.
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him." (Joh 9:35-38)
No, Jesus was not christ, and never was, nor is he the son of god. The only historical source you have is the bible. You can't trust the bible, because it was written by people with an agenda, and that is the agenda to convert people to their religion. The book of mormons the koran...same thing. A muslim would quote from the koran to defend his believe in Islam. So quoting the bible isn't very useful to nonbelievers.
Have you ever lied, stolen, had lustful thoughts or used God's name in vain? If you have,God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous,adulterer at heart. The Bible warns that if you are guilty you will end up in Hell. But because God loves you,He sent His Son to suffer and die on the cross for you. Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Please,repent(turn from sin)today and trust in Jesus alone,and God will grant you the gift of everlasting life. Then read your Bible daily and obey it.
"If you have,God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous,adulterer at heart."
Thank you for admitting what a cruel, vindictive and immoral deity God is. He creates us sick and commands us to be well. He makes laws the no one can possibly live up to and then threatens us with hell for just being human. This is the hallmark of every tyrant in all of history. Your God is, by your own admission, a dictator.
Thank you for putting words in my mouth. He gave us His laws so that we can see ourselves the way that He see's us. Name one "tyrant" who loves you so much that he died for you. He's the reason why we exist, so He gets to make up the rules, not you nor I. We are sick because we are living in a fallen world. IF what I'm saying is true, don't you think that you would deserve to spend all of eternity apart from the God that you hate?
"He gave us His laws so that we can see ourselves the way that He see's us."
The way he sees us is as 'filthy rags' (Isa. 64:6). Why would we WANT to see ourselves the way he sees us?
'Name one "tyrant" who loves you so much that he died for you.'
But he DIDN'T die. He went down to hell for three days, then went back to heaven. How is that a bad thing? I would happily get tortured and spend three days in hell if I were guaranteed eternal paradise afterward.
'He's the reason why we exist, so He gets to make up the rules.'
Even if he did make us that doesn't give him the right to tell us how to live. My parents made me, but they don't get the right to dictate right and wrong to me.
"don't you think that you would deserve to spend all of eternity apart from the God that you hate"
Not if the alternative is eternity of torture in hell. I may deserve some punishment, but not an eternity of it. No one deserves that, no one can deserve that.
I could care less if he did or didn't i don't acknowledge him period frankly am tired of hearing about him (jesus) over and over again its sad i have to live in a country that wont shut up about it and leave ppl alone.
wachnathan 3 days ago
@Ltaxe1, there is too many biblical evidence on the 70 year theory. 1) Look through Book of Jeremiah,Isaiah and others which states the "70 year captivity". 2) Read Jeremiah's Book of Lamentations saying "WORMWOOD" twice when he witnessed the destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians. 3) Book of Revelation by John mentions "WORMWOOD" a prediction concerning the destruction of the Temple by the Romans! THEREFORE, John and Josephus had the same idea: a repeat of history concerning the Temple!
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@cris750 i am not saying that the 70 yr cycle does not exsit but your starting date and knolage of how it operates is flauded
Ltaxe1 1 day ago
Jesus died for the Sins of a Mud Man & Rib Woman that were given an Apple by a Talking Snake.
Pablo113 2 months ago
@Pablo113 Makes sense to me ;) Actually, Anakin Skywalker died for our sins! "Nooooooo!!!!" Gets me every damned time...
amaxamon 1 month ago
I don't think its really all that relevant as to whether Jesus actually existed or not. If he did, he was a human being, not the son of god, and certainly did not perform miracles or was resurrected. He may have believed he was, and his followers may have believed it, but he was just a man. Or, he may not have existed, there were many prophets at the time, and crucifixion was common. It might have been a story compiled from the lives of several different men of the time.
8698gil 2 months ago
(8) ....and REASON!
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FACTS:(1) "Messiah" is meant to be human figure. (2) The 70 year cycle was expected by both Jews and Christians after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. (3) Nothing substantial happened in 140 AD! (4) Therefore,the creation of Israel in 1948 is a natural phenomenon. (5) All 3 Abrahamic faiths are false and baseless.(6) The only factor is the MORAL CODES which have been followed by even the ancient Greeks and ancient Egyptians.(7) The moral codes derive from the senses - empiricism.
cris750 2 months ago
@cris750 what 70 yr cycle there is no such thing mentioned in the bible the way you are trying to use it. yet more proof that people that dont know what they are talking about should just shut up
Ltaxe1 2 months ago
@Ltaxe1 WRONG! The 70 year exile in Babylon! Josephus and others expected a repeat of history!
cris750 1 month ago
The conclusion: Jesus is simply a human figure who died and was buried and NO RESURRECTION. Even if there was one, the 70 year cycle is a problem. If there was a resurrection then someone lied to his followers OR the so-called followers are LYING. Evidence: The Gospel of Matthew 27:52-53. OK, Josephus did NOT EVER mentioned this in his testimony or book. Therefore, the Gospels are propoganda books by Paul and others.
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5.Jesus did exist. Many who knew him gave him the title "messiah". The problem is twofold: "messiah" is meant to be a human leader not "son of god" or part of trinity w/ god. Therefore,not a supernatural figure. The other problem is the 70 year cycle. There are statements from Josephus that he extracted from Jeremiah to say that the Romans were prophecied to destroy the Temple in 70 AD. Paul and John both expected RAPTURE in 140 AD! Josephus believed simply in the return of Jews to the land.
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1. The Concept of "messiah" is different between Jews and Christians. 2. Josephus believed that the Roman emperor was a figure likeness of the Babylonian(Nebuchadnezzar) and Persian(Cyrus) kings.3. Therefore,at that time,Roman emperor Vespasian was called "messiah" by him b/c he thought a 70 year repeat was occuring with the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. 4. Therefore,it could be properly assumed that both early Jews and Christians thought something was going to occur in 140 AD!
cris750 2 months ago
I can't take Dan Barker seriously after hearing such a rediculous statement. He goes against the flow of the mass majority of mainstream historians, who some are even sympothetic to his atheistic worldview.
djvdiddy 3 months ago
@AnglicanApologist72 - Horus is bullshit? You haven't done ANY research, have you?
Go to your public library and check out a translation of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead (e.g. by Renouf, or Faulkner). You'll see the Egyptians claimed that Horus is the avenger of God (his father), "All that liveth" are subject to Horus; he promises to get you into Heaven; he is "the Lord of all"; he "dieth not a second time"; there is baptism, and communion, 1500 years before "Jesus".
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youneekk 6 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy No not at all. That's a bad theory. What I'm suggesting is that all those prophecies did not happen because they were destined to. They happened because those people were reading the OT and one guy fit the bill. Also, give me an example of one that doesn't involve a human element.
IceCreamRueckert 7 months ago
@IceCreamRueckert The chances of one guy "fitting the bill" is astronomically impossible. What do you mean by the "human element." A virgin birth...wouldn't that fit your criteria?
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy still posting on an atheist site i see. i suggest you take your fairytale jibber jabber with youto a good old christian site,where denial is as noble as your book of fairytales. or check out the thinking atheist site, this does require critical thinking. hope your up for that.
kram83au 7 months ago
I actually attended UCLA as a history major. This lecture is especially amusing to me because there is a course there about the historical Jesus. We had the pleasure of learning that the hypothesis that Jesus was mythical is not widely supported in academia. We were shown that only one of Josephus' passages was worked over later by Christians. One does not need to believe in supernatural mumbo-jumbo to accept the historicity of Jesus.
Keysteeze 9 months ago
i think jesus probably did exist but his storys are made up or stolen from earlier religions
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IceCreamRueckert 10 months ago
@IceCreamRueckert Off the top of my head...Jesus being born in Bethlehem, Jesus escaping to Egypt, Jesus being born of a virgin, Jesus being of the line of David and the tribe of Judah. Um...Jesus being sold for 30 pieces of silver. What are you suggesting? That the authors wrote these lies because they knew the prophesies? Because that is an old theory, my friend.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
jesus is superman of d 1st century simple as that!!!!!!!bible is nuthin but fairytales and comicbooks of dat era and shud b treated as such
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Jesus is a myth and millions of Jews have been murdered under the deicide accusation. This is TERRIBLE.
betowm 1 year ago
Jesus did perhaps exist but certainly not the one described in the bible. If the dead arose from their graves after Jesus died on the cross (Matt 27:52) then that would have been such an amazing event that it would have been widely reported around the ancient world. But its only mentioned in ONE gospel. The gospels cannot be relied upon to give an accurate portrayal of Jesus, if indeed he did exist.
metrx330 1 year ago
Bethelehem did not exist at the time Jesus Christ is alledged to have lived. :)
It's all a BIG SCAM as is ALL religion.
Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we're broke! :)
dirtydonki 1 year ago
santa doesn´t exist? noooooooooooooooooooooo! what did you say about jesus? xD
volcanos24 1 year ago
You really need to study the issue before coming to conclusion about did Jesus exist or not. I'm at the point where I agree with the popular opinion: The person probably did exist. It's a minor point though.
latuman 1 year ago
I believe he existed, the effort that went into showing how he was decended from King David (although the lieage differs in gospels) in order to fulfill the Jewish messianic prophecies and the effort to place him in Bethlehem for the same reason through the "census" (which didn't happen) are pointless for an invented character. Only if it is based on a real character would the effort have been made to somehow link this real character to the prophecy even though it doesn't quite fit exactly.
MHenebury 1 year ago
@MHenebury I should think he probably didnt exist. The argument against the census story, "why would it be made up", its drama. Because every prophesy story always has this kind of twist, Herod Agrippas mothers cart had a broken wheel so she had to stop off for the night in Bethlehem where Herod Agrippa was born, or so he claimed. No prophesy would be complete if there was no drama and twist, same goes for Herod the Great killing all the babys, its a gripping story.
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656Devin 1 year ago
Satan even!!!
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azxzo 1 year ago
Dan barker's filthy godamn eyes looks devilish. His fingers are just nasty disgusting looking. He Hates God, because God is not like he want him to be, or like he thinks in his filthy devil hell bound mind he should be.
he's mad and he's gonna burn forever in hell.
I can't stand to even watch that filthy beast!
1982witchcraft 1 year ago
@1982witchcraft You can always just change the channel. Nobody likes reading the kind of filth that just spewed from your fingertips.
JamesMorlan 1 year ago
@1982witchcraft Someone needs a psychiatrist, and some medication wouldn’t hurt either.
eldadevata 1 year ago
He sounds oddly like Gene Wilder here.
nautola 1 year ago
dan is the man i envy his intelligence
marsgodofwarx 1 year ago 4
I suggest that people read Barker's book, Losing Faith in Faith, it explains a lot, using facts
mmaxum2002 1 year ago 3
wouldnt it be funny if the bible is a test of mans stupidity and those who reject it are the true winners
terry4144 1 year ago
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@terry4144
HAHAHAHAH!! so funny!
(you said):
wouldnt it be funny if the bible is a test of mans stupidity and those who reject it are the true winners
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PowerRedBull 1 year ago
Jesus DID exist but there is no garantee there
was anything supernatural about him.
9N8X 1 year ago
@9N8X Where is the evidence?
seonf 1 year ago
@9N8X
No he didn't.
See how easy it is to just say stuff without any proof?
terracottapie 1 year ago
he says if you can't see him, He is not there.
So if I can't see the Wind, It is not there.
If I can't see time , there is no time. That is a good one if you can't see time it not there.
Good theory
turtle4aire 1 year ago
@turtle4aire
Actually, go back to the video: he never said "see".
It's not all *see*. It's *detect*.
Any windmill-like device will detect the wind. A clock shows you passage of time.
jursamaj 1 year ago
@turtle4aire
Well...I say spongebob the cartoon is based on religion, and he is real. We must praise spongebob and eat crabburgers every day
(of course he is invisible, unhearable, impossible to smell and there is no other way to detect him -just like any other god)
Can you disproove spongebob the religion?
PowerRedBull 1 year ago
@PowerRedBull its called a krabby patty
tjv323 1 year ago
Take this issue into the ProCathedral and all the other Catholic Churches in America. Make these ghastly edifices the place for discourse and win back the schools and the kids from the cuckoo church and all its subverted secular servants and agents....
sebreathnach 1 year ago
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yes dan barker. there is a god. there is also a hell if u dont believe in god u will go 2 hell weather u believe in it or not. u should have learned in your debate with todd freil.
kellbell2908 1 year ago
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@kellbell2908
Everything you think you know about this god of yours is strictly hearsay. There is no evidence.
Please describe this god of yours. Is it male, female or just an it. Please describe where it lives, does it eat, sleep? Does it have human characteristics?
According to the teachings of christianity, we are made in the image of your god. Do you believe that this is true?. Please be specific as to the nature of this god. please go into detail of what he/she/it looks like.
efreywald 1 year ago 2
if a heaven existed your presence would turn it into a living hell.
fatmeteor 1 year ago
@kellbell2908
your following the same delusion as millions of others if you believe in hell like the rest of the flock of sheep. show me the proof of thye devils abode...
aguteempasil 1 year ago
check out Dan Barker's debate with James White concerning the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth ( yes there was a Nazareth during the time of Jesus)
victorymike 2 years ago
we have not one Jewish, Greek, or Roman writer, even those who lived in the Middle East, much less anywhere else on the earth, who ever mentions him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary, and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarrassing fact.
FoxifiedNutjob 2 years ago 9
The bible itself will tell you that the israelite people followed the religions that surrounded them. How many times did Yahweh punish people for worshipping other gods in the bible? too many to count. Any christian that denies the similarity of other religions hasn't read their bible or theological work.
Gungfuwarrior 2 years ago 2
Well yea, Jesus/Yeshua existed, there are literally several of them in recorded history, probably hundreds that we don't know about. Jesus/yeshua was a very popular name in ancient times like "john" however not one Jesus from Nazareth existed, only cause Nazareth didn't exist during Jesus' time line, it does not fit.
Vegasgodless 2 years ago
@Vegasgodless ;Sorry but you're wrong concerning the town of Nazareth. Check out the Jerusalem Post Dec. 22 2009. The reliability of the New Testament continues to be upheld.
victorymike 2 years ago
WRONG! you need to check your sources, cause there's no archeological evidence of Nazareth to have existed during Jesus' time, fact is Nazareth came to existence on the second Century so far as the archeological evidence proves. You can't argue with what has been found on the ground!! Google "The Myth of Nazareth" a book written by an archeologist.
Vegasgodless 2 years ago
@Vegasgodless Josephus lists the towns of the Galillie, and Nazareth isn't there. Jesus was a Nazareen, like Sampson.
gamesbok 1 year ago
Several thousand years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus told his followers "I am the way, the truth, the life". Sound familiar?
The biblical Jesus myth is mostly recycled mythology, but Christians prefer to bury their heads in the sand, ignore what they don't want to hear, & be spoon fed simplistic, convenient, supernatural answers to a complicated natural reality.
xalysta13 2 years ago 38
It's interesting too that the divine Horus was dismembered and then brought back to life. Sound familiar? I can't think of a singe element of the story (virgin birth, signs in the sky, kings from the East, miracles, ascension to heaven etc) that are not found in earlier religions in the region.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago 7
@xalysta13
Oh please not Horus stuff. Your statement is totally unfounded. Which internet site did you get that from? Its funny how the only things saying that Jesus is a copycat is on the web where everyone and their grandma can write whatever. Where is your scholarly support?
jmd2980 1 year ago
@jmd2980 Well, while it is true that there is a dearth of information on the web either supporting or refuting the Egyptian/Jesus connection, I would have to ask you the same. What are your scholarly sources refuting the similarities? I'm still researching the subject myself, but I'd like to see you answer your own challenge out of intellectual curiosity. Please cite sources, I wish to study them.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@xalysta13 A reasoned, intelligent education on history, mythology, and philosophy is largely beyond the attention span and interest of a large cross-section of mankind. Much of that cross-section prefers simple answers and avoids any significant mental exertion. Of course they will turtle up the moment you challenge them to actually educate themselves on such issues.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@xalysta13 While Christians may have taken some elements from other beliefs, the Horus shit is false. The Bible does contradict itself and there are no legit sources for Christ. The Josephus thing can be easily viewed as a forgery or "interpolation", hope I spelled that right, when reading it in more detail. Pliny the Younger didn't mention Christ directly and Tacitus mocked Christianity, called it superstition but cut the Zeitgeist crap.
HybridD91 1 year ago
@xalysta13 Research the actual Egyptian documents and you'll find something quite different. I have read them. Have you?
I believe it's your head that's buried in the sand.
SHYPBibleStudy 1 year ago
@SHYPBibleStudy i suggest you read christ in egypt then ,by d m murdock. the christ figure is just astrological nonsense that evolved into jesus that gave the romans more control over the masses at that time. some people need religion, some of us will embrace this time knowing full well theres no nirvana awaiting us. to me it just seems childish to believe. i allways think that , heres a person that believes in such nonsense and they automatically go into the goofy pigeon hole.
kram83au 11 months ago
@kram83au I suggest you read the actual documents that D M Murdock references. You will see her for the fraud that she is. Go to the actual source. Rather than believe what someone tells you, research and discover the truth for yourself.
SHYPBibleStudy 11 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy why didnt you bring up the source. wonder why. the sources that i have came across seem sound as a pound man. we could argue about interpretation. at the end of the day. religion is for fools, your not a fool are you. let me guess. mmmmmm
kram83au 11 months ago
@kram83au Haha...She is a proven fraud. She has manipulated the legends of multiple ancient gods to sound like Jesus. Listen, there are plenty of solid reasons to list for being an atheist, but this garbage isn't one of them. This is bad history, and certainly you can believe bad history if you like. But you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of, believing fairy tales.
SHYPBibleStudy 11 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy with a name like yours and a site like yours, you have the credibility of a wasp. until; i hear anything otherwise, im going to run with her thoughts on astrological gods, makes more sense to me as being a part of the evolution of religion. if you cant see that, then you fall into the fundamentalist nutjob catagory. thats the way i see it and so do many others. the jesus dude myth is just that, he came about when so many other religions were on the go.religion is for the weak.
kram83au 11 months ago
@kram83au I have the credibility of a wasp? What about her...she has no credible sources, yet for some reason you believe her fairy tales. I believe the actual Egyptian manuscripts. You should read them sometime.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy i have you wasp. and it all points to an evolving movement of religion. now stick yer brain dead comments where the sun dont shine, as i have nothing further to say to such denialists. be grateful for the comment.. good mental health to you, as your obviously in short supply of it. why do i bother.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au Why do you bother? Bother with what? I've asked you to read the actual Egyptian story of Horus. You obviously have not. It seems as if you believe everything you read without checking to see if what you are reading is true. That is sad.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy no amount of evidence will ever convince you that horus mithrus, osirus all played a part in the evolution of religious history. im not going to give you the evidence you lazy lad, just look around. of course, your the defender of the myth of christ, so youl just come back at me because your cant prove how worthy your faith is over any other and because your imaginary friend doesnt have it all in hand, hence your need to defend your position says it all. good day tae yi laddie.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au No amount of evidence? I'm looking at the evidence, atheist historians have looked at the same evidence, and still no credible historian believes this. It's not accurate. You need to read the story yourself. You still obviously have not. And Jesus couldn't possibly have been copied from Horus because the Messiah story of Judaism came first...so even if there were similiarities, which there are not, it wouldn't matter.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy you keep the self deception to yourself and ill stay in the real world laddie, good mental health to you.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au Which real world is that? I study historical evidence and you study fairy tales. You refuse to read the ancient documents and instead read rhetoric on those documents. Horus was not a virgin birth, didn't have 12 disciples, didn't...I could go on and on, but you refuse to read the actual stories and prefer to live life believing something based on faith (that no historian believes).
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy still defensive in your mythical god, yet you continue to reply , now why is that? yes their is so much misinformation and so much fact, and the fact is that your imaginary friend evolved from other imaginary friends. what a tizzy to get in, and why is that. cause you and your followers are a bunch of self deceivers. had you been born in another part of the world youd be following another imaginary friend, but hey dont apply reasoning, thats the last thing your book glorifies.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au I wouldn't believe what I do if it wasn't reasonable. That's why I study history and science and theology. You are right about one thing...if I was born somewhere else I would be worshiping another god. However, you are wrong about me being in a "tizzy." :) What does where I'm born have to do with truth?
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy a self deceiver of the highest order, take a bow, i congratulate you on your honesty.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au Why do you avoid intelligent conversation? Each of your posts is filled with insults, but not one real point was made. Not one question was answered. How am I a self deceiver? Because I study? Because I analyze? Because I think for myself?
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy ''because i think for myself''.well, if you applied reasoning, you wouldnt believe in the mythical nonsense that you do. a self deceiver, im not at all surprised you cant figure that one out. which is a shame, as im quite sure we could have an intelligent conversation if you removed myths out of the equation.anyway, this is going nowhere. its a pity you cant apply the same reasoning as,the thinking atheist,saints revenge, dan barker, matt diillahaughnty. former preists,pastors.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au Yes I think for myself, and I'm trying to have a real conversation. Unfortunately, you seem incapable of making arguments...all you do is repeat that I believe in fairy tales. Just because you say it doesn't make it so. I can see that you're not interested in studying history or discussing philosophy, so why are you commenting in the first place?
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy wont be pulled into your delusion, the romans recorded many events in there time and the one that sticks out is constantines collection of myths that he waded through to give you your book of fairy tales. i reiterate, religions evolved, you cant get away from those facts. so many gospells were expelled as you should well know. they never recorded the nonsense in the bible like talking donkeys snakes, walking on water, casting of demons into pigs, hand picked delusion get it.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au The difference between you and me is that I know exactly what you believe...apparently I know the atheist arguments better than you do, because you seem to be uneducated in the subject matter. I suggest you read some Dawkins and Sagan so you can make rational arguments. You are talking about historical things that you obviously have heard somewhere but have never studied yourself, and that's what saddens me. You think you know what I believe, but you haven't a clue.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy ive read, the god delusion, god is not great, the atheist universe, and im half way through the greatest show on earth. whos making assumptions now. you see, to me there isnt really an argument when, your discussing fairytales, its childish nonsense you know it, in your sub conscience , yet you know how to trick yourself other wise. i could pull out quotes etc, ,but whats the point when dealing with fools. oh and this is an atheist video dimwit, when you said why i post on here.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au Yes, I assume based on your juvenile arguments. You are not making good atheist arguments, rather you are making claims and saying they are facts when in fact they are not. And furthermore, I was wondering why you are holding a conversation with me when you have nothing to say. You are not discussing, debating, or teaching. You are calling me stupid and spreading hearsay by calling it fact.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy ive argued on many fronts, i just say it l;ike it is now, childish nonsense, your the sheep, im on a fact finding mission, hey just like dan barker. i came to the realisation, its like arguing about how the soldiers couldnt put humpty together again. hey did you ever read about the prayer study in the god delusion. tell ma about this. you should know, divine intervention and talking to imaginary friends.and being so knowledgable. in all.. what yi got then. entertain me then..
kram83au 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy ive argued on many fronts, i just say it l;ike it is now, childish nonsense, your the sheep, im on a fact finding mission, hey just like dan barker. i came to the realisation, its like arguing about how the soldiers couldnt put humpty together again. hey did you ever read about the prayer study in the god delusion. tell ma about this. you should know, divine intervention and talking to imaginary friends.and being so knowledgable. in all.. what yi got then. entertain me .
kram83au 7 months ago 2
@kram83au Thank you for finally making a real argument. (Attacking this as fairy tales is not an argument.) That prayer study was definitely an interesting study, and to be honest with you, I would have expected results like that. Prayer is not about getting things or being healed. Prayer is about communication with God. If you look at the Bible how is prayer used. David expressed his anger with God. Jesus himself asked to not go through with it. It's not a vending machine, it's a relationship.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy science has been filling the gaps that were once filled by fools that believe in imaginary friends,. everytime science finds the answer,people like yourself throw up the deflector sheilds,denial, or change position. its embarressing to the skeptical mind that folk continually delude themselves in this day and age.abraham the pimp[morals] lol. so it doesnt matter what titbit il throw in your direction your just like the rest. your imaginary friend has it all in hand,so you think
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au I have never changed my position/theology, and people who follow the Bible correctly don't either. Now, there are many Christians who have done this, and they have bad theology. They frustrate me just as they did Mr. Dawkins in The God Delusion. I will contest that atheists do exactly what you say as well. As soon as something new is discovered, they go back to the drawing board, make the world older...etc. etc.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy like dawkins pointed out, you can 10 biblical scholars in one room and get 10 different interpretations. picking and choosing. the cherry pickers as dawkins would have it ,and like you,they will say its about following it correctly.. as well. i admire your honesty.check out, [the history of gods] on you tube, that puts religion to bed exposing mans need to hide behide the extraordinary, without coming up with an extraordinary explanation.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au I agree you can get 10 different interpretations, but that doesn't mean there isn't a correct interpretation. The problem I have is the inconsistencies in catholicism and the reformed, which is the majority of christians today. But again, their inconsistencies doesn't mean that there is inconsistency in the Bible. Catholics follow much tradition that is not Biblical.
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy just to remind you, it still childish nonsense to me . hitchens pointed that out as well.did you watch [the history of god]. also you are aware that jesus is merely a prophit in the eyes of islam. its a pity man didnt stick to one god, your faith would have stood a better chance. one mans god is another mans demon. check you tube for inconsistencys in the bible. its all there to see. how the hell can your imaginary friend be in 3 places at the same time,its in your book.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au I've seen the list of contradictions, and most of them are ridiculous and laughable. It'd be better to concentrate on a few, rather than stretch to reach 101. The miraculous thing is that with all the authors from many centuries that there aren't more supposed inconsistencies. Also, the Bible doesn't say that God is in 3 places at once. In fact, He is omnipresent. He is everywhere, which I hope we'd expect from an omnipotent God. We should continue this in private message...
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy the son of god is in three places after getting his head dipped by john the baptist. no amount of evidence is going to move you, dan barker sees it and many xchristians see it. when critical thinking is appled and honesty, [check out[ not1delusion on you tube] a very honest video by a former christian. this wonderful world is all we have,so lets live it.until you remove the blindfold,i bid you you farewell ,enjoy the comic book.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au As long as you choose to not understand what we really believe, you will continue to mock based on your misperceptions. Farewell
SHYPBibleStudy 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy
"In fact, He is omnipresent. He is everywhere"
So your God is in the sperm of an AIDS infect man that was just shot into the cunt of a crack whore?
DNAunion 6 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy
10 different interpretations, but that doesn't mean there isn't a correct interpretation no prehaps not but it does indicate that the Bible is internally inconsistent and just bears wittness to the hand of mans creation.
So more than likely there is no correct interpretation it is just used to support the individuals view.
We could in fact start by tossing the entire new testament as Jesus is attributted, "Think not I have come to change the law (old testament).
VideoAudioDisco09 3 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Give me an example of what you're arguing. The fact that people can read something as literal or symbolic does not prove or disprove it's accuracy. In fact, most of the time you can study context and culture to come up with an education true answer.
SHYPBibleStudy 3 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy
Context and culture has been studied and that is what has been debunking the bible.
If you claim that literal or symbolic does not prove or disprove, then you admit there is nothing concrete within the bible. The difference is clear on many occasions which causes the discrepincies not to mention culturally by thier own admission the writtings werewritten in clear form of the day.
It is only modern appologists that twist it t try and give it false credibility.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Give me an example of context and culture debunking the Bible. You are stating facts where there are none.
SHYPBibleStudy 2 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy
because you are not aware of them does not make them absent.
There is little related to faith in the bible fantacy that is not under debate. So clear it is not.
To hold belief one has to bend the truth and lie like hell, mostly just reinterperate what is written.
How about the Virgin birth.
Standard cultural practice of Essenic Jews.
Also happens today and is medically explained not any magic involved just passion.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
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@SHYPBibleStudy wont be pulled into your delusion, the romans recorded many events in there time and the one that sticks out is constantines collection of myths that he waded through to give you your book of fairy tales. i reiterate, religions evolved, you cant get away from those facts. so many gospells were expelled as you should well know. they never recorded the nonsense in the bible like talking donkeys snakes, walking on water, casting of demons into pigs, hand picked delusion, get it.
kram83au 7 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy It is NOT Jesus you must believe in, it is the authors of the Gospels.
What evidence do you possess that indicates the Authors of the Gospels were being honest?
All the miracles in the NT could have been thought up, as many of them were before.
What single event stands out that could not have been imagined?
Something that puts it out of time.
gjsterp 11 months ago 2
@gjsterp I see you've finally turned to more reasonable arguments...thank you for that.
Yes, I would agree that we have to trust the authors of the gospels and letters of Paul, Peter & John. Men that died for thing "imagined" or "real"? I guess that's the question. Also, things foretold in prophesy thousands of years prior.
Also, other historical authors that mention Jesus, including non-believers.
But yes, faith plays a big part, but the historical evidence is quite extensive.
SHYPBibleStudy 11 months ago
@SHYPBibleStudy "faith plays a big part, but the historical evidence is quite extensive."
Such as?
TheGodlessGuitarist 8 months ago
@kram83au Name calling is not necessary. Argument Yes - Name calling NO.
gjsterp 11 months ago
@xalysta13 The CHRIST myth is recycled to some extent. Christ = christian figure / Jesus: jewish preacher. That's crazy how people keep misunderstanding that.
keirapotter 9 months ago
Without the sun, all life on Earth would perish. And, in Christianity, without Jesus (the son/sun), all souls on Earth would perish.
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In Christianity, Christians go to church on SUNday in order to worship Jesus--the son/sun.
Noisycowonline 2 years ago
thats just a coincidence in the english language... although christianity is based on old religions in which the worship was on sundays and also worshiped sun gods
BIGBWA 2 years ago
On Habermas: check out christianorigins habermas to see how to shut him up.
Are biblical authors we know little about and manipulated secular historians all there is?
StopSpamming1 2 years ago
If Jesus did exist, and thousands knew him as the Messiah, wouldn't SOMEONE have kept a couple of souvenirs? He supposedly worked as a carpenter for 20 years...not one table kept? Chair? Cutting board? Absolutely nothing.
imaccuish 2 years ago 4
Jesus is Santa Claus for Adults
Pablo113 2 years ago 35
Wow. Well said.
VesusSheist 2 years ago 3
@Pablo113 please. Leave santa out of this. lol
HonestMan395 1 year ago
@Pablo113 Jesus was a preacher who said he did/was thought to do miraculous healings. There is nothing supernatural in here. Muhammad SAID he talked with God. Does that mean he is Santa Claus too?
keirapotter 9 months ago
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This guy just seeks attention. Listen to Habermas vs Anthony Flew debate on Christianity... and you'll see 100% evidence that Jesus Christ existed, died on the cross, and the most reasonable explanation to what happened next was a resurrection from the grave - otherwise the christian faith wouldn't exist. Please visit my channel too, and check out the interview on Near death experiences, which all but proves the reality of the afterlife. subscribe if you like.
NewageDEBUNKED 2 years ago
This guy seeks a little level playing field against the $300 billion dollars that go to build football stadium size 'auditoriums' for the peddlars of christianity (and other religions) every year!
gulsbyjag 2 years ago 5
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3marie2g 2 years ago
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Christianity is nearing an end.
As more people become educated they realize that Christianity is nothing more than superstition. And a harmful one, that causes bigotry, devisiveness, ignorance and hatred.
I say it's about time, and GOOD RIDDANCE to the hypocricy of this cult.
judoyodan 2 years ago
Let's say your wife says she's pregnant .. You have not had sex with her in say ... 2 years. She claims she has not cheated on you and does not know how this could have happened. Would you believe in her or dna test your mailman, milkman, neighbor, dog, etc .. ?
Wish we had DNA testing 2000 years ago. We would have found out that the next door carpenter was indeed Jesus's dad and Joseph was just a dumb gullible douche :)
RJILupin 2 years ago 6
you cant blame her though, if she told the truth they would have killed her.
Peanutbutterbucket 2 years ago 2
maybe, but Jesus didn't get massively popular till a couple of hundred years after he died - she had nothing to worry about.
mar8les 2 years ago
Part 1??
It means you will upload more parts?
matias1428 2 years ago
main,
Supposed evolution assumes living neurons without a spiritual base.
There's never been any of those.
:-O
"For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." (Heb 2:10)
trac4yt 2 years ago
aja,
Dan has acquired the insights of old king Saul. He now listens to the scifi-Endorians.
Hopefully repentance comes soon in his life...
..Jesus Christ is the answer.
:-)
trac4yt 2 years ago
What's the difference between stories about Jesus and stories about Odin, Rama, Osiris, Gilgamesh, Izanami etc.? Aside from time & social acceptance...
Ajacks1911 2 years ago
I think the difference between myth and religion is point of view based on time and geography. All present religions will be considered myth in time....just not soon enough for me.
dkw12002 2 years ago
Jesus is an amazing lie.
Redfingers 2 years ago 3
jesus is amazing
guidobambino 2 years ago
trac4yt, small typo in your previous post, it's fallible not infallible, also whilst im here, cheer up mate, replace your bible with a hot water bottle, provides more comfort, is tangible and doesnt propergate illogical mumbo jumbo. if you going to insist on a book to live your life by may i suggest "there's a monster at the end of this book" narrated and staring grover..awesome read..quite enlightning too!
jamichelash 3 years ago
Men deny the presence of a God because they want to be sinners, huh?
So why in hell don't I also deny the presence of a Justice system so I can go steal my neighbor's big-screen TV?
While I'm at it, I'll deny Gravity and that way I can fly, too!
The only people who reason that way are the ignorant fools who have been indoctrinated into superstition for so long, they will believe anything they're told so long the promise of eternal life for them and hell for their enemies follows.
one900meat 3 years ago
jami,
The infallible Bible is God's REVELATION.
Aren't you glad, after you get saved, He gives you the opportunity to listen in?
Receive Christ.
Then you'll see MUCH MORE.
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these." (Joh 1:50)
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
patri,
Men reject God due to sin..
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (Joh 3:19)
The "quest for evidence" is "smoke-and-mirrors" by the defiant.
:-O
trac4yt 3 years ago
jami,
An evolved brain would require neurons without a spiritual base.
There's never been any of those.
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
An evolved brain is obviously more evolved than yours.
mainman9000 2 years ago
trac4yt, genesis "god SAID let there be light" who was he talking to? think about it, use your evolved brain but somewhat flawed reasoning, if this was the first "act" there would be no need to verbalise an action, no one else around, was there? dang maybe talks to himself, which is a little unsettling, Keep up the good work.... oh btw i dont buy the your eternal soul dammed bs, but give it you best shot next post.
jamichelash 3 years ago
boy,
God converts people.
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Mt 18:3)
:-)
There are people that insist on staying Hell-bound, but some learn to reconsider.
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
Presumably, God could prove his existence in a second, whereby we'd all believe and none of us would be Hell-Bound.
Since He won't, presumably He wants us all to be Hell-Bound
patrickthesaint 3 years ago
huff,
AFTER you receive Christ, God will give you understanding..
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (Lu 24:44-45)
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
trac4yt: Do you believe that you can convert people via YouTube comments?
Do you truly believe that quoting scripture impresses people, especialy when people educated in the Bible can find a passage that contradicts it?
The reason why I am replying at all is because there seems to be a lot of people like you on YouTube.
BoyintheMachine 3 years ago 3
still got to work on that standup routine trac4yt, can see your trying, just work on your delivery and punchline and maybe consider some new material, i here little red riding hood is a good story too, not sure quoting it will get you the same laughs. Just putting out there.
jamichelash 3 years ago
pooch,
My nature, you are an enemy to His Words..
Like those who heard the Words of Jesus Christ, your response would be similar..
"If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father." (Joh 15:24)
:-O
You don't LIKE the content of God's Words, nor His methods.
This is common among the fallen.
BUT some wake up.
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
Please speak plain english. I have no idea what you are saying.
Hufflewaffle 3 years ago
typo: Should be, "By nature..."
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
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How do you catch out an atheist?
You say merry CHRIST-MASS to them and they say MERRY CHRIST-MASS to you too.
Got ya, you lying suckers. lol
Alexsabier 3 years ago
How do you call out a christian? You educate them on the fact that they've actually hijacked a pagan tradition and called it christmas, hijacked the same stories and messiahs that predate christianity by thousands of years and put it in their bible, et cetera, et cetera...
liberty013 3 years ago 4
What did you use as your sources for such stunning conclusions - the zeitgeist?
I am no christian or even theist but I roll my eyes at anyone who says jesus didn't even exist - Barker included. The Gospel of Thomas (+ all other Gnostic Gospels)? Q? Cornelius Tacitus? Josephus' writings on James being Jesus' brother (which align with the recent scrolls saying to have been written by this same James, dated within the 1st century AD)?
Josephus' controversial passage, minus the italics? etc. etc.
SidedPanic 3 years ago
memu,
God doesn't need the permission of clipboarded, fallen-sinner, non-omniscient, Bible-rejecting historians to reveal His Word.
God eternal purpose is the only "agenda" that will stand..
"Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness." (Lu 3:2)
..not even the "agendas" of high priests.
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
homi,
The Biblical PROMISES are Hell-proof...
..unlike earthly legal documents and science book literature.
The expanse of the PROMISES of God exceeds the life span of the podium speaker above. This can be irritating to fallen sinners.
"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the PROMISES [made] unto the fathers:" (Ro 15:8)
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
cotd,
God sets the methodology whereby "proof" is assessed. And by which you will be judged.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE:" (Ro 1:20)
The "proof" games of fallen sinners are ultimately valueless.
God doesn't need the permission of Bible critics to fulfill His prophetic Word.
Learn quickly.
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
Christians are a joke. I wish you would all grow up and snap out of your little im going to heaven dream. Some guy or a group of guys sat and wrote a book on what he thought was good ideas and good morals to follow and blah blah blah. And he just says you should believe in me. and if you dont your going to hell. and if you do anything i say not to do your going to burn and rot in hell for ever and ever and cry and scream, but i love you.
HomicidalThoughts 3 years ago 3
You condemn to hell all gods, except one, while producing evidence of none. I present the Lord of the Flies, the unicorns, and elves of netherland..all as real, to twist and to steal, you'll never believe, until you see. I speak to god as he speaks to me - with silence. I show god my worship, as he shows his love - with inaction. All is fair in the love game, unless one side dare not speak, which breaks the rules forever.
poochz1 3 years ago
mann,
Yes, Jesus Christ was, and is, the Son of God.
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him." (Joh 9:35-38)
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
Oh yep, there's proof for ya.
Cotdail 3 years ago
No, Jesus was not christ, and never was, nor is he the son of god. The only historical source you have is the bible. You can't trust the bible, because it was written by people with an agenda, and that is the agenda to convert people to their religion. The book of mormons the koran...same thing. A muslim would quote from the koran to defend his believe in Islam. So quoting the bible isn't very useful to nonbelievers.
memully 3 years ago 2
Have you ever lied, stolen, had lustful thoughts or used God's name in vain? If you have,God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous,adulterer at heart. The Bible warns that if you are guilty you will end up in Hell. But because God loves you,He sent His Son to suffer and die on the cross for you. Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Please,repent(turn from sin)today and trust in Jesus alone,and God will grant you the gift of everlasting life. Then read your Bible daily and obey it.
brandtelope 3 years ago
"If you have,God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous,adulterer at heart."
Thank you for admitting what a cruel, vindictive and immoral deity God is. He creates us sick and commands us to be well. He makes laws the no one can possibly live up to and then threatens us with hell for just being human. This is the hallmark of every tyrant in all of history. Your God is, by your own admission, a dictator.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago 2
Thank you for putting words in my mouth. He gave us His laws so that we can see ourselves the way that He see's us. Name one "tyrant" who loves you so much that he died for you. He's the reason why we exist, so He gets to make up the rules, not you nor I. We are sick because we are living in a fallen world. IF what I'm saying is true, don't you think that you would deserve to spend all of eternity apart from the God that you hate?
brandtelope 3 years ago
"He gave us His laws so that we can see ourselves the way that He see's us."
The way he sees us is as 'filthy rags' (Isa. 64:6). Why would we WANT to see ourselves the way he sees us?
'Name one "tyrant" who loves you so much that he died for you.'
But he DIDN'T die. He went down to hell for three days, then went back to heaven. How is that a bad thing? I would happily get tortured and spend three days in hell if I were guaranteed eternal paradise afterward.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago 2
'He's the reason why we exist, so He gets to make up the rules.'
Even if he did make us that doesn't give him the right to tell us how to live. My parents made me, but they don't get the right to dictate right and wrong to me.
"don't you think that you would deserve to spend all of eternity apart from the God that you hate"
Not if the alternative is eternity of torture in hell. I may deserve some punishment, but not an eternity of it. No one deserves that, no one can deserve that.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago 3
name one tyrant who loved you so much that he died for you? Easy, the mythical character called jesus.
zosky7 3 years ago
People are actually sitting in the room listening to this? Amazing.
He must be paying the kids.
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Mt 4:4)
:-)
trac4yt 3 years ago
jesus is not god or son of god
but he is prophet of god like moses, abraham, muhammad, noah
peace be on all prophets
thanks for reading
mannypatel1 3 years ago