God can be compared to the Sun in certain respects. The sun is a sphere of gas. We can only see it's there because it sends us light. We also feel the invisible heat it produces. The Sun's light and warmth are produced within it so it would be wrong to say that they are not as much the Sun as the gas. Yet gas is not light is not heat. Likewise, Jesus is the light by which we see the image of the Father and he brings with him the life-giving Holy Spirit. All are distinct yet all are God.
0:16 God is One. He exists as three persons.. Three separate persons. Each person is fully god.
Matthew [24:36] : ""No one knows about that day or hour (of the Day of Judgement), not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son (Jesus), but only the Father".
Let's see.. one God which consists of 3 persons who don't share the same knowledge.
0:16 God is One. He exists as three persons.. Three separate persons. Each person is fully god.
Matthew [24:36] : ""No one knows about that day or hour (of the Day of Judgement), not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son (Jesus), but only the Father".
Let's see.. one God which consists of 3 persons who don't share the same knowledge.
God is our creator..We can not compare him in any human being.. God is self sustaining..He doesn't need anything..He doesn't need eyes to see..He doesn't need ears to hear..He doesn't need hands to get what He want.. so, let us not compare God to any person even Jesus... Lets stop this trinity for even in the bible it doesn't exist.. Common.. come to think of it...
The trinity is a foolish devilish pagan doctrine right out of the dead catholic church and its prior pagan roots. Council of Nicea 325 and the Athenasian Creed. Every verse used in this video is a fallacy and is not what the verse is even saying. Terrible bible understanding and twisting of scripture. Just terrible...
Lol, "Jesus is a God who died on the cross" Haha... MY God is eternal and cant die and was never born. "God exists as three persons" Haha, my God is a God, not a person. And my God is one.
the trinity is false! if jesus and god were equal then how come at john 5.19 jesus said the son(himself)could do NOTHING on his own initivave but only what the father does.also at matthew 28.18 jesus said that all authority has been GIVEN me..if he was the almity god then HOW COME HE DIDNT HAVE IT BEFORE AND WHO GAVE IT TO HIM.also at matthew 24.36 jesus said nobody nos the day nor the angels nor the son but ONLY THE FATHER..if they were equal wudnt the son no as well?
The trinity is the ancient monarchical triangle of king, heir and their charisma. The charisma was considered in astrological times to be an emanation much as the light of a star emanated and controlled people by its astrological positioning and light. There is nothing mysterious about the trinity. It is the assumption God is a monarch, Jesus is his heir and that they both emanate righteousness and its power. It's essentially astrological spiritualism. Take it with a grain of salt.
There's no three beings of God. There's one God, and only one...God sent His Word to become flesh, so that we would know His face and how He would be if He were human, and His Spirit He sends to live in us and with us, because God said He will never leave us...it's very simple. The Lord our God is one...He has no partners...Jesus is His Word and His Spirit is His. No partners there.
The Trinity is a Tri-Unity of a being, which is really saying that God can send out parts of Himself. The Father sends out His Spirit to live in us and guide us, so that God is with us wherever we go...Joshua 1:9, but God has also shown us that we were created in His image, because that's all Jesus is...God's "Image" and Word made flesh. Read John 1 also, you'll see that all is made through Jesus the Word and without Him nothing was made...God spoke His Word in Genesis, and it came to be.
Only the Father knows when the end will come is what Jesus said; therefore, the Father is greater than Jesus, but...Jesus is still a part of God. The "Trinity" is also explained as the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. The Father is on the Throne in Heaven...the Word of God was made flesh and dwelt among us, Immanuel - God with us, and you have God's Holy Spirit which lives in us, just as Jesus said if you allow, He and His Father would make Their home in you.
of the character / essence of god, of the mind of god, or the "Holy Spirit". The Holy Spirit isn´t a own person, he´s the dynamic omipotent spiritual presence, power, wisdom and glory of
God. Jesus is identical in his spiritual essence
with the essence of God, he´s under his influence and leadership, in his kind like God,
ask God on the evening before his aresting to rescue him from his cruel destinity, and has God been spoken to his self, when he named Jesus during his baptism in the Jordan ? Already on the formal / phaenomenal level means "father" not "son", they are two terms
for two persons.Trinity isn´t biblical founded
and already on the formal-logical level unlogical. Jesus is the son of the father, not
The doctrine of the Trinity isn´t to substantiate biblical and was introduce on the council
of Nicäa in the year 325 trough the majority of
a theological meeting of clerical represantatives. The Arianians / Unitarians, which defend the genuine biblical concept of a one-personal god, come into the status of haretics,after they have lost the election to decide this issue. But the genuine haretic doctrine is the dogma of Trinity,a invention of a faction of the leading pre-catholic clerus.
there are 1000 versions of the bible and they are all diffrent :). just google : buy bible ^^ and just see from how many versions you can buy. King james version , New Century Version, katholiek version ,Today's New International Version.............................
i totally disagree. the things that jezus is teaching in the bible and the things that paul are teaching are diffrent like heaven and earth.
in my opinion you cant call it christianity but PAULINISME.
paul destroyed the whole concept of monotheïsme. the funny part is paul never met jezus. infact he was killing christians by the 1000nds, he had a dream/nightmare about jezus(pbuh) thats when he became "christian".
the most teachings that we have about christianity comes from paul.
not to be rude to you but you spell Jesus wrong. it's not jezus. it's Jesus. and Paul did not have a nightmare about Jesus. Paul did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. And yes Paul was persecuting the Church. and that's a great testimony, of how God/Jesus can change a person.
@achilleus11 the true version would be the original writings in the original languages. In all translations there is some interpretation. Its not just the dead sea scrolls but the Septuagint that provides proof. The New Testament alone is more accurate and has more evidence than any other work of antiquity. We have some 30,000 fragment most works of antiquity only have 9 fragments. Yes nine.
@achilleus11 the question I have for you is. Are you seeking? Do you and are you open to new information in order to evaluate your current conlusions? Or are you looking for a debate? Debates only end in frustration and resentment. Almost never in conversion.
So in christianity the religion in the eyes of your god is christianity. Then how can jesus his son, who is also him at the exact same time be jewish ?
because Adam was the start of the human race! The Bible does say that but in different context. As in if my Dad does something bad, it's not my fault.
Jesus is God and he became a man, and was born in Isreal as a Jew.
wtf ^^? so if adam was some1 who had a totally diffrent character .
lets say he was a maniac who killed his wife his childeren. so the ppl who came after him would bare his sins ? they would go to hell for his sins ? unless............... the "son"of god comes to earth and dies by our human hands ( didnt knew that god can die , but oke ...) so the sins of human kind are forgiven. ummmmmm very logical.
jezus never spoke about original sin . you guys dont follow jezus but you follow Peter/paul
but the fact is he is not god because he is immortal, he is god because he rose from death, he beat death. thats why we have easter sunday. good friday is when jesus died and easter is when he rose from the grave
my friend, your whole logic is filty. you atribute death to god. let me ask you one question : according to the bible jezus came out from a vagina , he made his mother unclean for 40 days ( according to your OWN BIBLE), is uncleanness atribute of god ? jezus (pbuh) ate, he went to the toilet. is going to the toilet an atribute of god ?
God cannot go against his nature : he cant go to hell , he cannot die, he cannot be unjust. but you guys lower god to the status of HIS CREATION.
@gloriousgod Original sin is a doctrine created by Augustine to explain his sinful desires. The early church before Contantininism did not believe this. The difference is a Christian living in Romans ch's 1-11 verse graduating and living in ch's 12-16. If Jesus was tempted in every way we were. How can it be true if he had an advantage over us? He was born without sin and not us? Is it not that we have all sinned because what we inherited was the knowledge of good and evil and ...
Well that is a happy horse shit explanation if I ever heard one. Can't you come up with something better then that, so people can return to a logical loving church instead of all the twists and turns explanations that only liars use; please?
@EGMAG It's not really an explanation, I know that. However the Bible brings us here, it tells us that Jesus is one with the father, but he's also the son. In order for this to happen...we think there's a trinity. I think the biggest problem is not the trinity, but people underestimating God. We're in this wonderful complex and mysterious universe, yet the creator of it all cannot be any mysterious?.
The biggest problem is, in order for the human mind to stay sane it must be fed non-contradictory thoughts. Frinstance! The many stories that all the religions relate, are usually without any honest reliable proof or evidence, and are riddled with conflicting and contradicting statements as a whole. I am not saying there is no Master of the Universe; rather it seems much of the definition of God has been humanly concocted. How are we to KNOW?
@EGMAG Agreed, things like this are beyond our capability to grasp - its mind boggling. It's just somewhere the bible brings us, it doesn't mention the word trinity at all. I personally think humans are extremely small on a universal scale to even begin to grasp how God is like, and why he's like that, instead we should humbly try to understand how God has made everything (laws of nature, big bang etc) before going into the question of the nature of God himself.
@EGMAG I think the laws of nature are a proof, and objective morals. I personally believe in Darwin's God, the one masterminded the creation, but made it not supernaturally but within nature. Also, belief in a God is of faith.
FAITH : firm belief in something for which there is no proof . That is the dictionaries definition of faith.
The laws of nature and Darwin's reflections on evolving species is not faith.
God's proved existence cannot be properly termed supernatural. Yet God's existence has yet to be proved, other then by second hand speculations neither proving or denying.
@YentusScamming You dont inherit Sin, that is impossible, Sin is an action, a trangression of the law, according to 1John 3:4. Sin is not a substance we inherit through semen or blood, rather it is an action, a willful rebellion against the Law of GOD.
That was an interesting example with the Light! I am going to use that some time when I talk to my friends who arn't saved. It is really hard to explain the Trinity sometimes, But It makes so Much sense to a follower of Christ! But can be rather confusing to others. * Keep up the Good work and make videos like this! : )
Screaming and laughing they are dancing in your head. The angels arrive scorched by the flames of Satan. On Sabbath day from the ashes come the demons. They are our kings of blasphemy. Sabbath day is now demon's day. Now they are the true masters of your fears. Dark clouds have obscured the sun. The demons from Hell are rising in your mind. You may run, though you can never hide. Their Satanic dancing has attacked your puny brain. You can't escape, they are the kings of blasphemy.
A flash of lightning, a crack of thunder. It is time, the ritual will now begin. We stand before the dark alter as the demon lord stirs. Foul sheep drown themselves in empty lies. We are here to render them to pieces. The haunting winds begin to blow. A sacrificial lamb is bestowed before the serpent. Lucifer has awoken. The ground shatters under his might. Slaves of christ huddle within a church. Their time is at a darkened end. With a mighty blow, Satan crushes his final foes.
In Genesis it says "let us make man in OUR (plural)image". How is man made? Soul, body, and spirit, yet one man. God is Soul (Father), Body (Jesus) and Spirit (Holy Spirit), yet one God. Just something to consider. Bless you in the name of Jesus.
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
That wasn't bad. I think you could have gone into a bit more depth. Be careful with using analogies to explain the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity cannot be fully comprehended and analogies often only serve to confuse.
Also, If God was one unity, there would be no need for him to say "US". He would say I. But nowhere in the Old Testament is it said that God is more than One Collective Entity. "Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is One."
So what did he mean by "US"?
In Hebrew thought, plurality was used to imply greatness. No Jew living then ever thought that God was made up of more than one being. Saying "US" simply was a way of expressing to the Jews just how powerful and great God is
By the time that the Scriptures were first written down and canonized, Israel was already a monarchy. If this wasn't during the time of Kings, then it certainly wasn't too long before it
not really, Moses wrote genesis didn't he ?, it was after Israelites forgot about what God has done for them and kind of started being bad again, when God put kings in charge of Israel.
That's not true. Israel became a monarchy because the Israelites wanted to have a king like the other nations of the world. So God compromised with them, and chose Saul to be the first king.
But there is something I do not understand. Is God made up of three persons within one being, or is He made up of three beings that create one force?
That being said, yes, there is a possible that the older text are incorrect as well, however, they are more likely to be correct than later translations. If you looked in the NIV translation I asked you to, you would've seen that that verse was a FABRICATION. Period. If the people who put together the KJV together would do that, what else could they have slightly changed? Also, note what the verse was talking about...
Also, I meant Proverbs 8, sorry. Start from verse 22.
I do not believe that Jesus was an angel. I am not a Jehovah's Witness. Period. But let me ask you, does it make sense that our Immortal God can die? Can God, our God die? If that is the crux of your faith, then you have to come up with a really good explanation to convince me on that. I believe
"For as by one MAN's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Romans 5: 19
I do not doubt the possibility that God could take on the form of a man, but to say that he could actually become a man is quite a stretch. Man's mind is finite while God's is infinite. We can sin while God can not. We can die while God can not. And further more, since when did 100% +100%=100%? It would be the same thing as trying to make a round square, or a square circle. What I'm trying to say is that, if Jesus was 100% God and 100% man, he would be a walking contradiction
This conversation is going nowhere, however, I will admit that you do have a point with that. But ultimately, you're gonna believe what you believe, and I'm gonna believe what I believe. May God have mercy on us both if either one of us is wrong, and may we forever strive to know the truth
hehe well my new testament + Psalms KJV Bible is translated out of the original Bible, and have you ever noticed that most Christians do believe Jesus is God ?
I am no fool. I used to believe that Yeshua was God, in fact, I did for the majority of my life up until two years ago. But what you fail to realize, or atleast appear, is that before the printing press was made, documents had to be hand-copied by scribes. This could've given rise to simple errors and sometimes, even bias in the translation. And even certain extreme circumstances, fabrication. If you don't believe me, open a NIV translation bible, and look up 1 John 5:7. Check the footnotes.
1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century) ?
It matters. It tells you that since it was not in any manuscripts prior to the sixteen hundreds then therefore, it can only be a fabrication. And if the translators could actually fabricate a verse in the Holy Bible, what makes you think that they couldn't have accidentally or intentionally translated a verse a different way than implied by the context just to support their claims? I believe that the Bible is the Word of God, but... it has been translated by man. And that gives way to error
Of course. The doctrine of the Trinity was first proposed in 325 AD at the Council of Nicea. I didn't make that point to say that it supported the trinity, after all, how could it? It's a fabrication. And... just in case you don't know, Muslims don't believe the Trinity either. And even more importantly, neither do the Jews. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Why, therefore, do the Jews not believe in a trinity? Or even a bi- unity? Because of the Sh'ma. Plain and simple
O.K But the source of it comes from the Bible, we have proof that Jesus is God, Father is God, Holy Spirit is God but one God.
Even in the Old Testament. God said "Let US" make humans, who is he talking to ? Angels can't create.
According to the Bible, God says besides me no savior, but in the New testament Jesus is called as the savior. But Jesus and father seems to be different persons.
Was not Moses considered to be a saviour? Or Gideon? Or Abraham? The list goes on. None of these people by themselves were saviours, but through the power of God within them they were able to save their people. And likewise there's nothing in the Bible that I'm aware that says that God did not do the same thing with Jesus. Aside from God there is no saviour, but as it's been shown countless times, God works through mortal men so that his greatness can be shown.
I'm sorry if I've made it seem like that's what I'm doing. I ask because I realize that I can not understand everything, and that possibly you might have some insight on the matter that may change my mind. That's why.
But also notice that I am not saying what God can and can not be based on my own logic, but by what is said in the Bible. The Trinity gives way to contradictions within the Bible, and that can not be so, because that book is the truth. So something has to give.
My friend, I write not to argue, but to make you think. In order to fully understand the Scriptures, you must be aware of the language in which it was originally written. For example, your quotation of Psalms 110 is folly. Primarily because, how could The LORD have a lord if every member of the Trinity is co- equal? No member is greater than another. Also, the original Hebrew text uses to different words for "lord" in that passage: One that refers to God, and one that refers to a ruler/master.
No I am not a Jehovah's witness, I am a Christian like you. And you are correct, Jesus was David's Lord, however, the word "Lord" in that context is used to describe Jesus' role as the promised king of Israel, and not of Jesus' supposed nature as God
You've misunderstood me. I never said that there was another God, for we all know that the Lord our God is one. However, I made that point to say that in greek and hebrew thought, using their word for "god" didn't always directly reference the Almighty. From the context of Hebrews 1:9 you can not deny that it would seem strange if God was anointing himself. "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity..." How would it be possible for God not to love righteousness and hate iniquity?
I do not believe that he is, God forgive me if I'm wrong. It's just that, believing that Jesus is God starts bringing confusion and contradiction into the Bible, however, the Scripture is irrevocable and the Scriptures tell us that the Lord is not the author of confusion. There is an explanation of both Hebrews 1 and John 1 on the website that I asked you to go to. Did you check it out?
I'm not using that translation. I am making a translation according to the original greek passage, and when correctly translated that's how it should be read. Go back and read Psalms 8, taking special attention to what is said about Wisdom. Then I want you to think about your interpretation of John 1:1, and then mine, and tell me which one fits in better with the context of Psalms 8. I shall do the same.
It isn't. However, there are also many people who think that God stinks. So that isn't a valid example to use, being that it's an opinion rather than a fact. When the word "great" is used to refer to his power then you would be correct. However, although people do use the word in that context, many times they'll also use it to mean that he's "cool". And that doesn't work
Furthermore, examine verse 6 of the first chapter.
"...When he bringeth the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all of the angels of God worship him."
Is it not true that God is not begotten? However, if you were to interpret this verse as if he was taking about himself, it would make it seem as if not only was God begotten, but somehow he also brought himself into being. But does that make any sense to you? Can you please explain that, or atleast still me if my logic is wrong?
He did, but depending on how a person views the subject, it could be said that he was always a man. I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth, I didn't mean to offend you
But you just pointed out a point that I'm trying to make. The verse says, "Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed..." How could Jesus have a god if he and God are equal? Do you see how that doesn't make sense? Also, in Greek and Hebrew culture, the word for god didn't always mean God. It could be used to describe rulers and angels and prophets and others like them. Even Satan and mortal men like us were called "Gods". Clearly the context points to the use of that word as "ruler", not "God"
The "plurality" of God can clearly be explained in the Bible. In the Hebrew thought, plurality was used to place emphasis on a word. For example, if someone were to say, "You're in trouble!", the trouble wouldn't be as bad as if someone were to say,"You're in troubles!" Now... the trouble that the person speaks of isn't plural, however, it helps to place emphasis on how much trouble that person is in. In short, it's simply an figure of speech, similar to "really" or "very"
But you're ignoring a major flaw in your argument. The entire first chapter of Hebrews was about explaining to the Jews the fact that God highly exalted Jesus above even the angels in heaven. However, why would God take the time to elaborate on the concept that he is above all once again, after he had so clearly done so in the past? The fact is that he wouldn't. Because in order to set something above something else, it first must be below. And it is a fact that God never has or will be inferior
How can you therefore say that God was speaking to Jesus as if Jesus was the Almighty? The context clearly points to the fact that the word "God" should be better translated as "ruler". Let me ask you a question. Water, ice, and vapor are all H20 correct? But does that mean that water, ice, and vapor are different things? What do you think?
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God can be compared to the Sun in certain respects. The sun is a sphere of gas. We can only see it's there because it sends us light. We also feel the invisible heat it produces. The Sun's light and warmth are produced within it so it would be wrong to say that they are not as much the Sun as the gas. Yet gas is not light is not heat. Likewise, Jesus is the light by which we see the image of the Father and he brings with him the life-giving Holy Spirit. All are distinct yet all are God.
nepistepa 3 months ago
0:16 God is One. He exists as three persons.. Three separate persons. Each person is fully god.
Matthew [24:36] : ""No one knows about that day or hour (of the Day of Judgement), not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son (Jesus), but only the Father".
Let's see.. one God which consists of 3 persons who don't share the same knowledge.
Father - The All knowing.
Son - The Less knowing.
Holy Ghost - The (Least ?) Knowing?
Yet each is fully God and THEY IS one God?
Dude, that's messed up! LOL
dogoly2k 5 months ago
0:16 God is One. He exists as three persons.. Three separate persons. Each person is fully god.
Matthew [24:36] : ""No one knows about that day or hour (of the Day of Judgement), not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son (Jesus), but only the Father".
Let's see.. one God which consists of 3 persons who don't share the same knowledge.
Father - The All knowing.
Son - The Less knowing.
Holy Ghost - The (Least ?) Knowing?
Yet each is fully God and THEY IS one God?
Dude, that's messed up! LOL
dogoly2k 5 months ago
God is our creator..We can not compare him in any human being.. God is self sustaining..He doesn't need anything..He doesn't need eyes to see..He doesn't need ears to hear..He doesn't need hands to get what He want.. so, let us not compare God to any person even Jesus... Lets stop this trinity for even in the bible it doesn't exist.. Common.. come to think of it...
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2222pauline 6 months ago
The trinity is a foolish devilish pagan doctrine right out of the dead catholic church and its prior pagan roots. Council of Nicea 325 and the Athenasian Creed. Every verse used in this video is a fallacy and is not what the verse is even saying. Terrible bible understanding and twisting of scripture. Just terrible...
satch500 8 months ago
Lol, "Jesus is a God who died on the cross" Haha... MY God is eternal and cant die and was never born. "God exists as three persons" Haha, my God is a God, not a person. And my God is one.
ApeFlyyy 9 months ago
the trinity is false! if jesus and god were equal then how come at john 5.19 jesus said the son(himself)could do NOTHING on his own initivave but only what the father does.also at matthew 28.18 jesus said that all authority has been GIVEN me..if he was the almity god then HOW COME HE DIDNT HAVE IT BEFORE AND WHO GAVE IT TO HIM.also at matthew 24.36 jesus said nobody nos the day nor the angels nor the son but ONLY THE FATHER..if they were equal wudnt the son no as well?
bibletruths100 1 year ago
I have two questions:
1. Do you believe what Jesus said in John 14:12?
2. Do you believe Jesus is the Father?
markpaghi 1 year ago
The trinity is the ancient monarchical triangle of king, heir and their charisma. The charisma was considered in astrological times to be an emanation much as the light of a star emanated and controlled people by its astrological positioning and light. There is nothing mysterious about the trinity. It is the assumption God is a monarch, Jesus is his heir and that they both emanate righteousness and its power. It's essentially astrological spiritualism. Take it with a grain of salt.
1emanres 1 year ago
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Its real easy-there is no 1 in 3, or 3 is one, just 3 In 1.
God is simply three players on one team and this is how Jesus tells us to view God
but the relationship between themselves is one of hierarchy perplexity and infinitcy.
bryanthebarber 1 year ago
@gloriousgod :: Can we not then convince God to just say "NO!" when Satan wants to hurt us?
k0smon 1 year ago
but not get any idea....
mecoinsident 1 year ago
There's no three beings of God. There's one God, and only one...God sent His Word to become flesh, so that we would know His face and how He would be if He were human, and His Spirit He sends to live in us and with us, because God said He will never leave us...it's very simple. The Lord our God is one...He has no partners...Jesus is His Word and His Spirit is His. No partners there.
DandBMonk 1 year ago
The Trinity is a Tri-Unity of a being, which is really saying that God can send out parts of Himself. The Father sends out His Spirit to live in us and guide us, so that God is with us wherever we go...Joshua 1:9, but God has also shown us that we were created in His image, because that's all Jesus is...God's "Image" and Word made flesh. Read John 1 also, you'll see that all is made through Jesus the Word and without Him nothing was made...God spoke His Word in Genesis, and it came to be.
DandBMonk 1 year ago
Only the Father knows when the end will come is what Jesus said; therefore, the Father is greater than Jesus, but...Jesus is still a part of God. The "Trinity" is also explained as the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. The Father is on the Throne in Heaven...the Word of God was made flesh and dwelt among us, Immanuel - God with us, and you have God's Holy Spirit which lives in us, just as Jesus said if you allow, He and His Father would make Their home in you.
DandBMonk 1 year ago
it is not suposed that god is THE ONE TRUE GOD? THAT HE IS ONLY ONE?
how he can be 3 difrent persons?? WTF?
20324758 2 years ago
The Word or Wisdom of God has its own personality and has always been alive. God is one substance and three persons..
DrStevenz 2 years ago
The Genesis means God and the leading angels,
when they use the term "let us...". Also the non-
trinitarian islamic Quaran use this plural form
"us" or "we". This form isn´t a sign of the man-
made "Trinity", which don´t exist by Jews and
early genuine Christians.
TheosophicalCommie 2 years ago
you are wrong, It is all troughout the bible stating there is a trinity....
TheTruth0Seeker 2 years ago
Jesus is the messiah and a kind of incarnation
of the character / essence of god, of the mind of god, or the "Holy Spirit". The Holy Spirit isn´t a own person, he´s the dynamic omipotent spiritual presence, power, wisdom and glory of
God. Jesus is identical in his spiritual essence
with the essence of God, he´s under his influence and leadership, in his kind like God,
from a divine source, he represanted God,
is a kind of spiritual manifestation of God and
in a community with God.
TheosophicalCommie 2 years ago
Has Jesus been spoken to his self, when he
ask God on the evening before his aresting to rescue him from his cruel destinity, and has God been spoken to his self, when he named Jesus during his baptism in the Jordan ? Already on the formal / phaenomenal level means "father" not "son", they are two terms
for two persons.Trinity isn´t biblical founded
and already on the formal-logical level unlogical. Jesus is the son of the father, not
the father, and only the father is god.
TheosophicalCommie 2 years ago
The doctrine of the Trinity isn´t to substantiate biblical and was introduce on the council
of Nicäa in the year 325 trough the majority of
a theological meeting of clerical represantatives. The Arianians / Unitarians, which defend the genuine biblical concept of a one-personal god, come into the status of haretics,after they have lost the election to decide this issue. But the genuine haretic doctrine is the dogma of Trinity,a invention of a faction of the leading pre-catholic clerus.
TheosophicalCommie 2 years ago
i am no muslim nor a christian, still i dont understand why people think the trinity is so damn difficult to understand, its not
Daski69 2 years ago
lol oh wise athiest plz explain it to me ^^.
it is impossible to explain IMPOSSIBLE !
there are 3 but they arent 3 they are one . WTF!?
achilleus11 2 years ago
I didn't say I was an atheist, but you are being stupid... why would something Divine be logical to us?
Daski69 2 years ago
because god isnt the author of confusion :) read the bible
achilleus11 2 years ago
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" (Deuteronomy 6:4).
not 3 , not 3 in one , not one in 3 but SIMPLY ONE.
christianity is the must un-logical religion of all the religions on earth.
original sin , trinity, salvation ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, dont let me start on those topics
achilleus11 2 years ago
Even according to Muslims, He is. Not the Bible of today but the real bible still exists you are just not willing to acknowledge it.
Daski69 2 years ago
which one of the 1000 virsions is the real bible ? plz tell me ^^ i beg you .
achilleus11 2 years ago
what do you mean, they're all bibles.
The Bible's meaning has never been changed, we can proove it by using the dead sea scrolls.
gloriousgod 2 years ago
OMG ! you are soooooo adorable .
there are 1000 versions of the bible and they are all diffrent :). just google : buy bible ^^ and just see from how many versions you can buy. King james version , New Century Version, katholiek version ,Today's New International Version.............................
achilleus11 2 years ago
they all say the exact same message. its just different ways of saying the same thing so some people can understand it easier. thats all
CUL8T3R 2 years ago
i totally disagree. the things that jezus is teaching in the bible and the things that paul are teaching are diffrent like heaven and earth.
in my opinion you cant call it christianity but PAULINISME.
paul destroyed the whole concept of monotheïsme. the funny part is paul never met jezus. infact he was killing christians by the 1000nds, he had a dream/nightmare about jezus(pbuh) thats when he became "christian".
the most teachings that we have about christianity comes from paul.
achilleus11 2 years ago
not to be rude to you but you spell Jesus wrong. it's not jezus. it's Jesus. and Paul did not have a nightmare about Jesus. Paul did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. And yes Paul was persecuting the Church. and that's a great testimony, of how God/Jesus can change a person.
alval2v 2 years ago
sorry, but i am from germany and most ppl call him here that way.
the same way in the netherlands (my neighbours)
Paul never met JESUS, jesus died years before him. he saw him in a VISION.
most ppl claim nowadays to have seen jesus. we do not consider their work as devine now do we ? we do not put their works into the bible , do we ?
paul radicaly changed the religion of christ in to paulinism by introducing concepts like polythiesm/original sin which jesus never talked about.
achilleus11 2 years ago
@achilleus11 the true version would be the original writings in the original languages. In all translations there is some interpretation. Its not just the dead sea scrolls but the Septuagint that provides proof. The New Testament alone is more accurate and has more evidence than any other work of antiquity. We have some 30,000 fragment most works of antiquity only have 9 fragments. Yes nine.
Bkwilless 1 year ago
@achilleus11 the question I have for you is. Are you seeking? Do you and are you open to new information in order to evaluate your current conlusions? Or are you looking for a debate? Debates only end in frustration and resentment. Almost never in conversion.
Bkwilless 1 year ago
So in christianity the religion in the eyes of your god is christianity. Then how can jesus his son, who is also him at the exact same time be jewish ?
YentusScamming 2 years ago
Does it not say in the bible that no man be held accountable for his fathers sin
so how did you inherit adams"original sin"
YentusScamming 2 years ago
because Adam was the start of the human race! The Bible does say that but in different context. As in if my Dad does something bad, it's not my fault.
Jesus is God and he became a man, and was born in Isreal as a Jew.
gloriousgod 2 years ago
wtf ^^? so if adam was some1 who had a totally diffrent character .
lets say he was a maniac who killed his wife his childeren. so the ppl who came after him would bare his sins ? they would go to hell for his sins ? unless............... the "son"of god comes to earth and dies by our human hands ( didnt knew that god can die , but oke ...) so the sins of human kind are forgiven. ummmmmm very logical.
jezus never spoke about original sin . you guys dont follow jezus but you follow Peter/paul
achilleus11 2 years ago
but the fact is he is not god because he is immortal, he is god because he rose from death, he beat death. thats why we have easter sunday. good friday is when jesus died and easter is when he rose from the grave
CUL8T3R 2 years ago
my friend, your whole logic is filty. you atribute death to god. let me ask you one question : according to the bible jezus came out from a vagina , he made his mother unclean for 40 days ( according to your OWN BIBLE), is uncleanness atribute of god ? jezus (pbuh) ate, he went to the toilet. is going to the toilet an atribute of god ?
God cannot go against his nature : he cant go to hell , he cannot die, he cannot be unjust. but you guys lower god to the status of HIS CREATION.
achilleus11 2 years ago
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Bkwilless 1 year ago
@gloriousgod with out the tree of life that is Gods Devin life we cannot not sin. Especially when sin is all around us it corrupts us.
Bkwilless 1 year ago
@gloriousgod Original sin is a doctrine created by Augustine to explain his sinful desires. The early church before Contantininism did not believe this. The difference is a Christian living in Romans ch's 1-11 verse graduating and living in ch's 12-16. If Jesus was tempted in every way we were. How can it be true if he had an advantage over us? He was born without sin and not us? Is it not that we have all sinned because what we inherited was the knowledge of good and evil and ...
Bkwilless 1 year ago
@gloriousgod
Well that is a happy horse shit explanation if I ever heard one. Can't you come up with something better then that, so people can return to a logical loving church instead of all the twists and turns explanations that only liars use; please?
EGMAG 10 months ago
@EGMAG It's not really an explanation, I know that. However the Bible brings us here, it tells us that Jesus is one with the father, but he's also the son. In order for this to happen...we think there's a trinity. I think the biggest problem is not the trinity, but people underestimating God. We're in this wonderful complex and mysterious universe, yet the creator of it all cannot be any mysterious?.
gloriousgod 10 months ago
@gloriousgod biggest problem mysterious <<
The biggest problem is, in order for the human mind to stay sane it must be fed non-contradictory thoughts. Frinstance! The many stories that all the religions relate, are usually without any honest reliable proof or evidence, and are riddled with conflicting and contradicting statements as a whole. I am not saying there is no Master of the Universe; rather it seems much of the definition of God has been humanly concocted. How are we to KNOW?
EGMAG 10 months ago
@EGMAG Agreed, things like this are beyond our capability to grasp - its mind boggling. It's just somewhere the bible brings us, it doesn't mention the word trinity at all. I personally think humans are extremely small on a universal scale to even begin to grasp how God is like, and why he's like that, instead we should humbly try to understand how God has made everything (laws of nature, big bang etc) before going into the question of the nature of God himself.
gloriousgod 10 months ago
@gloriousgod humbly try to understand how God has made everything <
In order to humbly try to understand how God has made everything; should you first present total proof of God's existence?
Isn't that the very first step before proceeding forward?
EGMAG 10 months ago
@EGMAG I think the laws of nature are a proof, and objective morals. I personally believe in Darwin's God, the one masterminded the creation, but made it not supernaturally but within nature. Also, belief in a God is of faith.
gloriousgod 10 months ago
@gloriousgod
FAITH : firm belief in something for which there is no proof . That is the dictionaries definition of faith.
The laws of nature and Darwin's reflections on evolving species is not faith.
God's proved existence cannot be properly termed supernatural. Yet God's existence has yet to be proved, other then by second hand speculations neither proving or denying.
EGMAG 10 months ago
@gloriousgod . faith almost always implies certitude even where there is no evidence or proof
EGMAG 10 months ago
@YentusScamming You dont inherit Sin, that is impossible, Sin is an action, a trangression of the law, according to 1John 3:4. Sin is not a substance we inherit through semen or blood, rather it is an action, a willful rebellion against the Law of GOD.
markpaghi 1 year ago
That was an interesting example with the Light! I am going to use that some time when I talk to my friends who arn't saved. It is really hard to explain the Trinity sometimes, But It makes so Much sense to a follower of Christ! But can be rather confusing to others. * Keep up the Good work and make videos like this! : )
TristinSplah 2 years ago
Well, believe that sadly if you wish. I know where Im going and if what you say you realy enjoy then I know where you're going.
jkveda11 3 years ago
Crying out from the church, their weak minds already enslaved.
Voices of the shadowy realm, the beginning of the end.
Powerful demons destroy holy light as he bursts from the earth.
The sound of his voice from his kingdom calls to me.
Soon, we shall crush their holy hypocrisy.
Black magicks now working, powerful spells are cast.
Evil in his eyes and darkest blasphemy.
Church of christ dies while Lord Satan survives.
Seizing power in Satan's name.
A life of death is what he craves.
EveryoneLovesSatan67 3 years ago
lol, u r just an atheist right ?
or are you a Satanist, stop your poems.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Satan will be destroyed! and be put into the FIRE!!
gloriousgod 3 years ago
EveryoneLovesSatan67 3 years ago
EveryoneLovesSatan67 3 years ago
@EveryoneLovesSatan67 Even Satan will one day bend his knee and confess with his mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord.
slappy1234567 1 year ago
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:9-11
slappy1234567 1 year ago
@EveryoneLovesSatan67 :: Very picturesque!! Now how about some poetry that rhymes!
k0smon 1 year ago
Good video, and I appreciate your time looking up the verses, and posting.
smokybrick 3 years ago
great explanation
Same thing goes for water also :
fluid, gas and frozen
Frankkiy 3 years ago
In Genesis it says "let us make man in OUR (plural)image". How is man made? Soul, body, and spirit, yet one man. God is Soul (Father), Body (Jesus) and Spirit (Holy Spirit), yet one God. Just something to consider. Bless you in the name of Jesus.
sincitypreacher 3 years ago
Oh yeah, we are made in God's image!!
gloriousgod 3 years ago
.. but body spirit soul doesn't really answer Jesus sitting on Father's right side does it ?
gloriousgod 3 years ago
I've been reading comments and i agree it's very confusing.
GrandGuignologist 3 years ago
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Nice Video:)
GrandGuignologist 3 years ago
That wasn't bad. I think you could have gone into a bit more depth. Be careful with using analogies to explain the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity cannot be fully comprehended and analogies often only serve to confuse.
God Bless. Keep posting:).
ukchristian28 3 years ago
Thanks..
God is over our imagination kind of that's why its all bit of a mystery.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Also, If God was one unity, there would be no need for him to say "US". He would say I. But nowhere in the Old Testament is it said that God is more than One Collective Entity. "Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is One."
So what did he mean by "US"?
In Hebrew thought, plurality was used to imply greatness. No Jew living then ever thought that God was made up of more than one being. Saying "US" simply was a way of expressing to the Jews just how powerful and great God is
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Yes, that's in times of Kings, but this was before that.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
By the time that the Scriptures were first written down and canonized, Israel was already a monarchy. If this wasn't during the time of Kings, then it certainly wasn't too long before it
LanceJudah 3 years ago
not really, Moses wrote genesis didn't he ?, it was after Israelites forgot about what God has done for them and kind of started being bad again, when God put kings in charge of Israel.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
That's not true. Israel became a monarchy because the Israelites wanted to have a king like the other nations of the world. So God compromised with them, and chose Saul to be the first king.
But there is something I do not understand. Is God made up of three persons within one being, or is He made up of three beings that create one force?
LanceJudah 3 years ago
That being said, yes, there is a possible that the older text are incorrect as well, however, they are more likely to be correct than later translations. If you looked in the NIV translation I asked you to, you would've seen that that verse was a FABRICATION. Period. If the people who put together the KJV together would do that, what else could they have slightly changed? Also, note what the verse was talking about...
Also, I meant Proverbs 8, sorry. Start from verse 22.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Jesus was given birth ?
lol
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Doesn't it make more sence to believe God died for us rather than some angel!
gloriousgod 3 years ago
I do not believe that Jesus was an angel. I am not a Jehovah's Witness. Period. But let me ask you, does it make sense that our Immortal God can die? Can God, our God die? If that is the crux of your faith, then you have to come up with a really good explanation to convince me on that. I believe
"For as by one MAN's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Romans 5: 19
That's what my bible tells me.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
God became flesh, he was sinless and took upon the sins of men.
And died for us.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
I do not doubt the possibility that God could take on the form of a man, but to say that he could actually become a man is quite a stretch. Man's mind is finite while God's is infinite. We can sin while God can not. We can die while God can not. And further more, since when did 100% +100%=100%? It would be the same thing as trying to make a round square, or a square circle. What I'm trying to say is that, if Jesus was 100% God and 100% man, he would be a walking contradiction
LanceJudah 3 years ago
But Jesus became a man.
God have became a man before for e.g read Genesis 18. the LORD appeared to Abraham...
gloriousgod 3 years ago
This conversation is going nowhere, however, I will admit that you do have a point with that. But ultimately, you're gonna believe what you believe, and I'm gonna believe what I believe. May God have mercy on us both if either one of us is wrong, and may we forever strive to know the truth
LanceJudah 3 years ago
OK, There is three that testifies, why ?
It meant Spirit, blood and all that didn't it ?
May God Bless you
take care!
Keep in touch
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Besides that's what people say about God. And the verse in Hebrews is supposedly God speaking about Himself.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
not really!!
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Then how would you explain it?
LanceJudah 3 years ago
hehe well my new testament + Psalms KJV Bible is translated out of the original Bible, and have you ever noticed that most Christians do believe Jesus is God ?
gloriousgod 3 years ago
I am no fool. I used to believe that Yeshua was God, in fact, I did for the majority of my life up until two years ago. But what you fail to realize, or atleast appear, is that before the printing press was made, documents had to be hand-copied by scribes. This could've given rise to simple errors and sometimes, even bias in the translation. And even certain extreme circumstances, fabrication. If you don't believe me, open a NIV translation bible, and look up 1 John 5:7. Check the footnotes.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century) ?
Does it matter ?
gloriousgod 3 years ago
It matters. It tells you that since it was not in any manuscripts prior to the sixteen hundreds then therefore, it can only be a fabrication. And if the translators could actually fabricate a verse in the Holy Bible, what makes you think that they couldn't have accidentally or intentionally translated a verse a different way than implied by the context just to support their claims? I believe that the Bible is the Word of God, but... it has been translated by man. And that gives way to error
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Even in the Quran it mentions Trinity! Christians talking about the trinity.
And Quran was before 16th century!!
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Of course. The doctrine of the Trinity was first proposed in 325 AD at the Council of Nicea. I didn't make that point to say that it supported the trinity, after all, how could it? It's a fabrication. And... just in case you don't know, Muslims don't believe the Trinity either. And even more importantly, neither do the Jews. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Why, therefore, do the Jews not believe in a trinity? Or even a bi- unity? Because of the Sh'ma. Plain and simple
LanceJudah 3 years ago
O.K But the source of it comes from the Bible, we have proof that Jesus is God, Father is God, Holy Spirit is God but one God.
Even in the Old Testament. God said "Let US" make humans, who is he talking to ? Angels can't create.
According to the Bible, God says besides me no savior, but in the New testament Jesus is called as the savior. But Jesus and father seems to be different persons.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Was not Moses considered to be a saviour? Or Gideon? Or Abraham? The list goes on. None of these people by themselves were saviours, but through the power of God within them they were able to save their people. And likewise there's nothing in the Bible that I'm aware that says that God did not do the same thing with Jesus. Aside from God there is no saviour, but as it's been shown countless times, God works through mortal men so that his greatness can be shown.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Why are you asking me like if I invented God,
God is kind of beyond our imaginations.
yes, Trinity is a mystery..
How can we say what God can be and can't be ?
gloriousgod 3 years ago
I'm sorry if I've made it seem like that's what I'm doing. I ask because I realize that I can not understand everything, and that possibly you might have some insight on the matter that may change my mind. That's why.
But also notice that I am not saying what God can and can not be based on my own logic, but by what is said in the Bible. The Trinity gives way to contradictions within the Bible, and that can not be so, because that book is the truth. So something has to give.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
My friend, I write not to argue, but to make you think. In order to fully understand the Scriptures, you must be aware of the language in which it was originally written. For example, your quotation of Psalms 110 is folly. Primarily because, how could The LORD have a lord if every member of the Trinity is co- equal? No member is greater than another. Also, the original Hebrew text uses to different words for "lord" in that passage: One that refers to God, and one that refers to a ruler/master.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Jesus is David's Lord!
but what about John 1 ?
In the beginning was the Word, the word was with God and the word was God!
? Are you a Jehovah's witness ?
gloriousgod 3 years ago
No I am not a Jehovah's witness, I am a Christian like you. And you are correct, Jesus was David's Lord, however, the word "Lord" in that context is used to describe Jesus' role as the promised king of Israel, and not of Jesus' supposed nature as God
LanceJudah 3 years ago
And furthermore how could there be an other God ?
How can Jesus be called God too ?
God said I am God and besides me there is no God right ? then how can Jesus be a different God but not almighty ?
I believe there's a Trinity.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
You've misunderstood me. I never said that there was another God, for we all know that the Lord our God is one. However, I made that point to say that in greek and hebrew thought, using their word for "god" didn't always directly reference the Almighty. From the context of Hebrews 1:9 you can not deny that it would seem strange if God was anointing himself. "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity..." How would it be possible for God not to love righteousness and hate iniquity?
LanceJudah 3 years ago
You're really good at this Lance Judah, You don't believe Jesus is God right ?
In Hebrews 1 God also says Jesus created the heavens. "The heavens are work of thine hands"
And even in John 1 it says all things were made by him and with out him there is nothing that is created!
gloriousgod 3 years ago
I do not believe that he is, God forgive me if I'm wrong. It's just that, believing that Jesus is God starts bringing confusion and contradiction into the Bible, however, the Scripture is irrevocable and the Scriptures tell us that the Lord is not the author of confusion. There is an explanation of both Hebrews 1 and John 1 on the website that I asked you to go to. Did you check it out?
LanceJudah 3 years ago
yeh please do, LanceJudah, by the way the Jehovah's Witness translate John 1 as
"In the beginning the Wrd already existed, the word was with God and the word was a god.
But this is wrong the actual greek says In the beginning was the Word, the word was with God and the Word was God.
It didn't mean The Word and Father God is the same but the Word is God too, and the Father is God too!
We have the Trinity.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
When correctly translated it should read,
"In the beginning was God's plan for the universe, and this plan was with Him, and this plan was divine."
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Brother, please don't use th New Living Translation done by JW.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
I'm not using that translation. I am making a translation according to the original greek passage, and when correctly translated that's how it should be read. Go back and read Psalms 8, taking special attention to what is said about Wisdom. Then I want you to think about your interpretation of John 1:1, and then mine, and tell me which one fits in better with the context of Psalms 8. I shall do the same.
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Well some people say God is great, how is it possible for God not to be great ?
gloriousgod 3 years ago
It isn't. However, there are also many people who think that God stinks. So that isn't a valid example to use, being that it's an opinion rather than a fact. When the word "great" is used to refer to his power then you would be correct. However, although people do use the word in that context, many times they'll also use it to mean that he's "cool". And that doesn't work
LanceJudah 3 years ago
See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me.
Deuteronomy 32:39.
God doesn't lie! Only if Jesus is part of the Trinity therefore being part of the Almighty it's true, because God called Jesus God!
gloriousgod 3 years ago
Furthermore, examine verse 6 of the first chapter.
"...When he bringeth the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all of the angels of God worship him."
Is it not true that God is not begotten? However, if you were to interpret this verse as if he was taking about himself, it would make it seem as if not only was God begotten, but somehow he also brought himself into being. But does that make any sense to you? Can you please explain that, or atleast still me if my logic is wrong?
LanceJudah 3 years ago
LanceJudah please tell don't tell me about the H2O thing. I didn't explain the Trinity using H20!
Yeh LanceJudah you do have a point.
But Jesus did once became a man, to the lowest point right ?
gloriousgod 3 years ago
He did, but depending on how a person views the subject, it could be said that he was always a man. I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth, I didn't mean to offend you
LanceJudah 3 years ago
no problem, you didn't really put any bad words in my mouth ( i think)
In the beginning was the word, the word was with god and the word was GOD.
All things were made by him... (KJV)
Jesus also said that who ever has seen me has seen the father or basically who ever seen him has seen God.
Please watch Dr. Micheal Brown's Can anyone see God video.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
God is one, he exists as three persons, each person is different.
Even God calls Jesus God in Hebews 1.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
gloriousgod 3 years ago
But you just pointed out a point that I'm trying to make. The verse says, "Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed..." How could Jesus have a god if he and God are equal? Do you see how that doesn't make sense? Also, in Greek and Hebrew culture, the word for god didn't always mean God. It could be used to describe rulers and angels and prophets and others like them. Even Satan and mortal men like us were called "Gods". Clearly the context points to the use of that word as "ruler", not "God"
LanceJudah 3 years ago
Jesus created the heavens and Earth ?
"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1
Again it says "All things were made by him" about the Word.
The Word is Jesus.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
The Bible verses have something to do with the pluraty of persons in god.
gloriousgod 3 years ago
The "plurality" of God can clearly be explained in the Bible. In the Hebrew thought, plurality was used to place emphasis on a word. For example, if someone were to say, "You're in trouble!", the trouble wouldn't be as bad as if someone were to say,"You're in troubles!" Now... the trouble that the person speaks of isn't plural, however, it helps to place emphasis on how much trouble that person is in. In short, it's simply an figure of speech, similar to "really" or "very"
LanceJudah 3 years ago
LanceJudah do you believe Jesus is God ?
but anyway, I call God God because he is my God right ?
Then God called Jesus God too..
gloriousgod 3 years ago
But you're ignoring a major flaw in your argument. The entire first chapter of Hebrews was about explaining to the Jews the fact that God highly exalted Jesus above even the angels in heaven. However, why would God take the time to elaborate on the concept that he is above all once again, after he had so clearly done so in the past? The fact is that he wouldn't. Because in order to set something above something else, it first must be below. And it is a fact that God never has or will be inferior
LanceJudah 3 years ago
How can you therefore say that God was speaking to Jesus as if Jesus was the Almighty? The context clearly points to the fact that the word "God" should be better translated as "ruler". Let me ask you a question. Water, ice, and vapor are all H20 correct? But does that mean that water, ice, and vapor are different things? What do you think?
LanceJudah 3 years ago