Stokke Tripp Trapp 2 - Dangerous - Beware

[luckylori100]

Thank you! I was just about to purchase this chair for my baby. What do you suggest? It was a cool concept if that was not an issue! thanks!

[aliciahchang]

Thank you for posting the video. It baffles me that other parents could be so mean because they haven't had this problem, or because their kid was not mischievous/smart/restless/str­ong enough to push and tip the chair over. One of my kids did this too, the other didn't. Parents DID contact Stokke, and they created the extended gliders as a quick fix, and added text in the instructions warning of the tipping. The older models didn't have the gliders!!

[mburigomiranda]

Como não vejo nenhum comentário em português, fica cá o meu:

Sou uma consumidora Stokke tripp trapp e este papá esqueceu-ce de instalar um calço que está incluso na caixa do baby set, calço este que alarga a base da cadeira e evita justamente situações perigosas como está do vídeo.

Tenho duas cadeiras destas conveniente montadas e posso garantir que é IMPOSSIVEL de acontecer este episódio.

[zalan241]

cork floor?

[Mybigfan222]

Thank you for sharing this possible dangerous. It's really good to know.

[comincini]

si sempre meglio evitare e comprarne uno piu sicuro .....grazie del video

[mammaditobia]

E' ovvio che se metti i gommini per evitare che scivoli, può accadere questo. e non è vero che è così semplice, probabilmente il sedile è sbilanciato. ho 4 figli pestiferi e NESSUNO di loro si è mai fatto male in questo modo.



[bettyklang]

just FYI..."To make sure that the gliders function as intended, the high chair should be placed on a surface that doesn't inhibit it from sliding backwards. " I imagine cork tile floor is not a surface made for gliding :S

[blondnc]

Thank you for highlighting this problem. Quite frankly as a designer myself I would never have put this on the market even if there was a the slightest chance of it falling backwards. Even with the addition of the gliders I don't believe that this product has fully addressed this issue!

[kayclo]

lol this is adorable! Silly kids are always figuring out something semi dangerous! Good thing Dad is right there behind him. Gives new meaning to trust fall! Designers should be more careful!

[dimpleza]

This happened to my nephew when he was not even a year... he banged his little head really hard on their hardwood floor, lucky he "just" bruised... Thanks for sharing. And yes, my brother did set it up correctly  as well... I also got a chicco "less cool looking" highchair because of that.

[bkejm]

PS: You are using a product that was made in 1979??  Seriously? Anyone else catch that?

[jamestripptrapp]

@bkejm Not sure what you're saying here. Do you mean it was designed in 1979? I bought it, in 2004, new in its box, with the baby set, the one which only allows the seat to be placed in the top slot, due to the fixed length of the leather crotch strap. Anyone else catch what?

[bkejm]

Read the instructions...you have the seat set too high for a child that age. Basic engineering people. And the seat is still on the same setting on your video when your child is 14 months old. You are also missing a key anti-tip piece. Great reading there dad.

[jamestripptrapp]

@bkejm You could try doing a little reading yourself, and spare me the patronising self-righteous gibberish. Read the rest of the thread, where I explain that Stokke denied there was an issue, yet released optional extended gliders in some markets later on. They agreed our setup was correct, yet you know better. Both videos made around the same time. The issue is indeed 'basic engineering people', the safety of the chair is directly related to the smoothness of the flooring, which is ludicrous.

[bkejm]

@jamestripptrapp You're kidding me right? One video is your child at 9 months. The other you state at 14 months. 2 of my 4 used this product. One is a Houdini. Neither ever managed to tip that sucker, EVER, of course mine was set up correctly and I'm sorry yours is NOT. If your 9 month old child is tipping the chair over (something that appears you encourage) then I would have suggested you buy yourself a NEW HIGH CHAIR. Use some common sense, spare me YOUR self righteous gibberish.

[jamestripptrapp]

@bkejm I though both vids were around the 14 months stage. I better re-check. As I said, the chair was set up correctly, verified with Stokke UK. WIth the baby set, you can only position the seat in the top slot due to the fixed length of the crotch strap. I did buy a new chair. As you correctly suggest, a different chair is the only way to keep the child safe. I know you love your chair, but a lot of people have had this issue, some resulting in injury. Just read this thread, or google it.

[MsJanitka]

@bkejm Agree! It looks like he encourages the child to do that and the child thinks it's fun to do. This is wrong! Same as a Jobella said, this video just shows that he is not following instructions because not using extensions.

[gigismithhenry1]

Stokke has some cool designs aesthetically but their products do not live up to the price with regard to safety and ease of use. The straps that come with the stokke tripp trapp are so hard to adjust that I have never used them. The little baby guard does not keep a baby secure. I also own the crib which came with a mattress with 2 inch gaps around the edge. Stokke claimed it was safe. Sure enough, several months later, it was recalled. For Mercedes prices, I expect Mercedes quality.

[gigismithhenry1]

Stokke has some cool designs aesthetically but are their products do not live up to the price with regard to safety and ease of use. The straps that come with the stokke tripp trapp are so hard to adjust that I have never used them. The little baby guard does not keep a baby secure. I also own the crib which came with a mattress with 2 inch gaps around the edge. Stokke claimed it was safe. Sure enough, several months later, it was recalled. For Mercedes prices, I expect Mercedes quality.

[pmarzluf]

My strong 9-month-old just yesterday discovered the delights of pushing away with his hands (importantly, not just with his feet) from the table while sitting in the Stokke Tripp Trapp. Although he slammed directly back on the ground, the fall fortunately only resulted in his and my immediate terror. Also, as I'm currently house-sitting for the week, I had no other high chairs available nor any prior knowledge about this danger. The warning on the chair does not identify this tipping hazard.

[jamestripptrapp]

@pmarzluf Scary isn't it? Glad to hear no injury sustained. You better brace yourself for the Tripp Trapp evangelists, they'll tell you what a bad parent you are, what a moron you are, how the seat is too high, the table too low, the floor too sticky, the child too bold, you drink too much, you're on a crusade, the moon was in Libra at the time etc etc. Anything other than the fact that, JUST MAYBE, this design is flawed when it comes to babies. It's baffling !!

[sp4zzer]

The design has been used in Scandinavia since 1972 with no reports of seriious injury, allthough until recently it has not been targeted for children under 18 months. The change in targeting to 6 months and up came at the same time as the expandable gliders, which should be used for small children, since children that small will not have the feet under the table ilke older kids will.

[jamestripptrapp]

@sp4zzer The gliders are a total afterthought, available in some markets now, developed as a knee-jerk reaction to the flawed design. They have been targetting 6months up for years and years, way before this glider came along. We bought ours in 2004 with the baby set, and there was no such thing as extended gliders. We reported to Stokke, they said they never heard of the chair tipping back, and suggested we screw the Tripp Trapp to the table!! Google and you'll find other children have fallen.

[sp4zzer]

@jamestripptrapp Of cource children fall. All unattended children fall unless they are bolted to concrete. We've had ours since 1979, without a single hiccup. I have no problem accepting it might tip over when pushed like that, but so would most chairs. Also note that the manual (mine does) spesifically sais to not leave small children unattended "as the chair might tip over if the kid should kick off from a table", and also warns against high friction floors and placement too near such tables.

[jamestripptrapp]

@sp4zzer If the flooring is not smooth enough, the child can, with minor effort, topple the chair back sufficiently to place his/her weight out over the centre of gravity, and down it falls. By extending the legs, the centre of gravity is relocated. The simple fact is it is a mistake to rely solely on the smoothness of flooring to ensure child safety. The gliders are a sloppy after-thought. They should remove the top two seat slots, and stop promoting this for babies.

[sp4zzer]

@jamestripptrapp This I can agree with, the original target market was 18 months up, which makes more sense anyways.

[hl450]

what kind of flooring do you have? We have been using this for 3+ years and had no problem whatsoever. When my son tries to do what your son is doing, the chair just simply slides backward... but never tip over.

[fdc313]

Thank you for posting this video, this is not the first time I have heard of this happening, and what bothers me most is that there hasn't been a recall on this chair., which I am sure will come as more children are injured as to the lack of thought that has gone into this disaster .

[jamestripptrapp]

@JamesTheeButler Not a crusade, no, but I do have an agenda. What's yours? You set up a youtube user specifically to make 2 comments on one video, then accuse me of being on a crusade? Does it really upset you to see something bad said about the Tripp Trapp high chair? Do you love the Tripp Trapp high chair? Why don't you google and see if anyone else has had a child fall from this chair? As for your bicycle point I have to agree with you. It's why I don't let my baby ride one.

[jamestripptrapp]

@JamesTheeButler You say "If its possible for a kid to do this is not really interesting", well it is to me, it's interesting to me now, and it was interesting to me the first day my small baby fell backwards as we all ate dinner together and, frankly, I don't care if you find this dull. As for the rest of the gibberish about fluids and pills and knives, I don't know what to say. Let's just say I've never bought a knife that promotes itself as safe for babies to use, have you?

[Ojasor]

Interesting how the child looks over it's shoulder to make sure someone is there to catch it and also at the camera. Maybe it the video was started a couple of seconds later it wouldn't be such an obvious set up.

As with many others my children never managed this but then I never encouraged them too either.

[jamestripptrapp]

@Ojasor OF COURSE it's a setup, for crying out loud. What your smart comment shows is that you didn't read any of the other posts, the other people who have had this happen. However, the first time James did this and almost smashed to the ground was NOT a setup. It is why I made the video to show the physics allow this to happen. When you're finished with your sarcasm, you might realise that the point of this video is to show that a baby can tip the supposedly 'untippable' Tripp Trapp.

[juicenewton]

I had a tripp trapp since I was a baby and this never happened to me. I'm 34 now and my mother still puts all 11 grandkids in it. Not one accident the entire time. But whatever whatever.

[jamestripptrapp]

@juicenewton Not sure what your point is. Let me see, you didn't fall, your kids and your siblings' kids did not fall, therefore what? Therefore no-one could fall? Not sure I agree with the logic. I am not suggesting that everyone has this happen, I'm saying there are circumstances in which this happens, that's all. I'm highlighting and illustrating and documenting something real.

[juicenewton]

@jamestripptrapp

I'm saying I've had a great experience with them and have a sentimental attachment to them as furniture. But if you want some kind of praise for this clip and no other kind of comments are allowed, then fine- you're doing a great public service, maybe if you put the extenders on problem solved and it's not an issue anymore eh? Otherwise maybe a good idea to contact Stokke directly if you still think it needs fixing.

[jamestripptrapp]

@juicenewton If you read the rest of the conversation on here, you'd realise there were no extenders provided with this chair when bought new. They are still optional in some markets. I did talk to Stokke, they denied this could happen. They then sent me a strap and told me to screw the chair to the table. The extenders came out later. It's all in here, if you bothered to read it. This 'sentimental' attachment to a chair makes people so irate when I suggest it's not perfect.

[Starchiq]

wow..thank you for posting this.

[jobellea]

I noticed you did not install the plastic extension that is supposed to be attached to the legs to prevent it from tipping over, it comes with the package. Please try it with those installed before you making any claims because this video is showing just that your not following instructions and basically - YOUR FAULT! and ignorance.

[gigismithhenry1]

@jobellea

I have owned this chair for 3 years and the baby kit did not come with the gliders at that time. Ignorant of you to assume other people are just idiots.

[OfficialLarisaRudder]

@jobellea I hope you know the extenders didn't come in HIS package seeing that he bought his model much earlier. Stokke only fixed that problem recently, so he'd have to go out and purchase the extenders SEPARATELY. Babies do a lot of weird things and they are strong little people. For Stokke to change their PACKAGING AND INSTRUCTIONS, obviously it happened to more than one unsuspecting parent. It's not ignorance when the "plastic extension" doesn't come with the highchair you bought.

[mburigomiranda]

Tks Jobellea

[MsJanitka]

@jobellea agree!

[TIKE25]

Maybe you should civilize your child,because that's the real problem.It's not the highchairs fault.It's all because the child thinks it's a game.Look the smile on his/her face!!!

[Binod00]

Seems like you are broker of tripp trapp ... children items should be 110% safe no matter what. Children play, smile, you should enjoy it ... you too, enjoy moment with children if you have one.

[threeangels589]

@TIKE25 "civilize your child" that is a ridiculous comment

[TIKE25]

@TIKE25

Yes,maybe it is.But if the guy don't let the child do it,he won't.And the other thing:the extension is not on the chair.Stokke recommends to use it to avoid this..........

[angeldelite07]

thats TERRIBLE!!!!! it shouldnt matter where you put a highchair it SHOULD NOT do this!! baby items should be made where they are safe in all enviroments!disgusting for a highchair that costs a LOT of money!

[MrFitlike]

@angeldelite07 You mean a bubble?

[Simphonilkynson]

Hmmm... is it an original Stokke Tripp Trapp???

[jamestripptrapp]

@Simphonilkynson Hmmm... yes

[danielado13]

Thanks so much for posting this video , I am not astonish at all, stokke people are not child friendly but money friendly the more they can get out of you the best it is, security they don't care like their customers ... It is a shame that this dangerous chair is still on the market.... I wante to buy and meeting a dad who had it I change my mind .... IT IS DANGEROUS

[kyberias007]

People, don't panic because of this video. The chair is perfectly safe when placed on a proper surface according to instructions. The chair must be able to slide on the floor. The extenders that are provided with all the current models will provide extra security. The author of the video did not have them because they did not yet exist. You can test whether it is possible to tilt the chair before putting a child on it.

[kyberias007]

People, don't panic because of this video. The chair is perfectly safe when placed on a proper surface according to instructions. The chair must be able to slide on the floor. The extenders that are provided with all the current models will provide extra security. The author of the video did not have them because they did not yet exist. You can test whether it is possible to tilt the chair before putting a child on it.

[shannydew]

can't he push over a regular high chair too?.

[offleashstudios]

The directions clearly warn about placing it against a table with a large ledge, and the chair comes with extra extensions to add to the bottom to prevent this. If the directions were read during assembly, this very thing could have been avoided! I notice you don't have the extensions in place, we don't have a table with a large ledge, but used them anyway, just to be safe. When used properly (like most well designed things) it is a very safe chair. 

[offleashstudios]

The directions clearly warn about placing it against a table with a large ledge, and the chair comes with extra extensions to add to the bottom to prevent this. If the directions were read during assembly, this very thing could have been avoided! I notice you don't have the extensions in place, we don't have a table with a large ledge, but used them anyway, just to be safe. When used properly (like most well designed things) it is a very safe chair.

[offleashstudios]

The directions clearly warn about placing it against a table with a large ledge, and the chair comes with extra extensions to add to the bottom to prevent this. If the directions were read during assembly, this very thing could have been avoided! I notice you don't have the extensions in place, we don't have a table with a large ledge, but used them anyway, just to be safe. When used properly (like most things) it is a very safe chair.

[jamestripptrapp]

@offleashstudios If you had read the previous discussions you'd know that there were no extensions available when this was made. The extensions are still not available in some markets, and they are provided almost as 'just in case' accessories. The very existence of the extenders highlights how inherently unsafe the chair is for very small children who are, by necessity, positioned high in the frame thus introducing instability. This is a pretty good chair once the child gets a little older.

[280901abc]

Thank you so much for posting this. We were going to buy one of these. NOT NOW. And the customer care you received from STOKKE sounds extremely poor. It doesn't appear as though these extended gliders come as standard. Despite a warning on the STOKKE website that you should always use them when using the baby set. Seems it a bit poor that you have to buy an optional extra in order to stop the seat from being potentially dangerous. Thanks again.

[bigbully300]

and that´s not all....i´ve spend more than 2,000 US Dollars in their products and guess what???? I´ve never get response for a warranty.... Stokke does not care for their customers I live in México City and after hundreds of e-mails I have to make a phone call to SPAIN and USA and N O B O D Y answer my needs (warranty) but they pubish their products have a GLOBAL WARRANTY.........COMPLETE FALSE!!!!

[fronne97]

it is something they are trained to

[shimmysgirl]

Thanks for posting this video. We have a 4 month old and since day 1 have been set on the Stokke as our highchair of choice when the time came. We're looking into them now, and this is the first I've seen on this. Your baby does a very innocent maneuver that results in the tipping of the chair, and anyone who wants to blame you for that (or doesn't believe that it really IS a highchair due to its lack of tray?!) is just being argumentative. I wonder if the design has been changed at all now?

[jamestripptrapp]

@shimmysgirl Hi and thanks for your message. You're right about people being argumentative. I vary between being amused and angry at the indignant comments I get here. Some people are incensed that I would dare suggest that their amazing high chair may not be quite so amazing for small infants. This chair has an almost cult following. I believe there are extensions for the base you can now get, haven't seen them here in Ireland yet. This has happened to others too, so I'm not alone.

[tojo77]

@jamestripptrapp - Here in Sweden it now comes with extensions as standard - perhaps thanks to your videos! Good!

[aadrianogamino]

@tojo77 Here in rest of world no.....too bad!



[bentasravenseye]

Our 11 month old just did this, this morning. He brought his feet up and pushed off the table.. WHAM onto the ground. He's fine, but he wasn't happy (nor was his mom). I just put the extended gliders on and hopefully that'll help, but I'm nervous about the chair now.

[Buisvogel]

Don't put the anti slip pads under!!

[jamestripptrapp]

@Buisvogel I'll just copy and paste my reply from 5 comments back.

" I didn't put anything under the legs. Stokke call them glide strips I believe. They came on the chair and are supposed to reduce the friction between the chair and the floor. "

[NFNNMNNLN]

Well, my brother was in one, my daughter (almost 4 still has one) and my little one just got one as well. It never happened to us, but I also don't allow my kids to play around when WE are eating (my kids are never alone on the table) and I don't put them in there so that they are out of my way. Now my daughter can climb in and out of the chair by herself obviously and we can adjust it to the perfect hight for her so that she can eat and draw in a proper way. Also, you can get a tray for

[NFNNMNNLN]

this Highchair. I just don't like it because I want my Child to sit with me at one table!

I guess you can turn everything into something dangerous, even the safest furniture or toy. It all depends on what you allow your kid to do with it on daily bases.

[jamestripptrapp]

@NFNNMNNLN Yes indeed, but thanks to Stokke, us parents don't have to do anything to make it dangerous, it comes like that!!!

[vcorradi76]

Wow, I've been very lucky, then! I have Stokke Tripp Trapp since my boy is 6m, and this trick NEVER HAPPENED (he is now 3y)!

I imagine (and hope) it is not so frequent, then...

Thank you for posting!

[mhgreene22]

I always sit next to my kids in this chair and keep one foot on the base. Never had a problem. Too bad your little guy thinks it is a game now :(

[jamestripptrapp]

@mhgreene22 good for you

[JeanetteNy]

What are those white things under the "legs"? Have you put something on so it won't slip? I had one of those growing up, I'm 30 now, and I have to say mine never did that tipping thing I remember pushing away like that from the table (...and lets be honest its how I still do it, its the only way I know to get my chair closer to the table and separate it from it, granted I might be able lo semi-lift it a little, but stll...) Many things are dangerous if used wrong... even the most innocent toy..

[jamestripptrapp]

@JeanetteNy No I didn't put anything under the legs. Stokke call them glide strips I believe. They came on the chair and are supposed to reduce the friction between the chair and the floor. You've hit the nail on the head when you say you can lift it a little. Problem is the baby is positioned high up in the frame, so it takes only a small 'lift' to push the child's weight out over the center of gravity, resulting in a fall. Once the child grows and migrates down the frame, the problem goes away

[JeanetteNy]

@jamestripptrapp Wow, I'm completely amazed... I had know idea this could happen... So I guess thanks for bringing it to my attention. Although I would try taking the glide strips off... maybe that way the floors suffer a little more, but it's better the floors suffer than the child. Thanks for posting the vid!! I always thought this was the best chair ever... wow!

[saradpk]

What kind of high chair doesn't have an attachment tray for the baby to eat. High chairs don't belong next to tables like that. If I'm sitting at my dining table on a chair and I push back I would fall too. You're either going to sit him at a high chair or a table. you're creating the danger for him by doing that. I've never seen a high chair without a tray attachment. Maybe you're mistaken. Even a regular high chair with the attachment has no business being an inch from a table, dresser, etc

[jamestripptrapp]

@saradpk

Are you serious?

You ask "What kind of high chair doesn't have an attachment tray for the baby to eat." Well, the answer is the Stokke Tripp Trapp. That's the whole point of the video!! Not sure what else to say.

[knakelly]

you are right you not only have to be there but right on top of them. As it was we were there but sitting at a right angle so when we grabbed the side of the chair the angle of it just slips out of your hand and you can't grip it as it falls. What are these extensions. I can't find them?

[knakelly]

my daughter did exactly that. She landed full impact on her head. Luckily she was ok (we think!!) and it never happened again. It's one of those things where you just don't leave a little one unattended.

[jamestripptrapp]

@knakelly Hi, thanks for your comment. Glad to hear your daughter was ok after her tumble. You're right of course about never leaving a child unattended. However, to avoid an accident like this, you would literally have to be behind the chair, not sitting opposite at dinner, or feeding baby.

[diabeticgurl]

When he tips back and looks at you it's like he's saying "Hi Daddy!" lol

[SandraBOnline]

In the comments I've read (first page really), nobody's mentioned how cute the baby is! Gorgeous! =) Hope he never got hurt. Thanks for uploading

[jamestripptrapp]

@SandraBOnline Thanks Sandra. He was cute then, and still is today, just don't tell him I said that. Just lost his first tooth today! He never did get hurt thankfully, as we were there when he pulled this stunt the first time.

[neeov]

I bought the TT in Europe about 4 months ago and got the extensions.

In this video I think the child would benefit from the foot rest being lowered so he would have somewhere to put his feet comfortably.

[jamestripptrapp]

@neeov Hi Thanks for your comment. Glad to hear the extensions are in Europe now. Believe me, we put the footrest every where, but it made no difference, nothing could stop his urge to push back off the table with his feet. Other than tying his ffet down, but I think there are laws about that :-)

[megsterpie]

My Kid LOVES this chair! Only chair out there that will grow with my child (tired it out myself they had it set up for an adult AMAZING). I used the extensions that came with it and no problems. Any chair will tip if you push back on it or if it is on an uneven surface I remember doing this myself as a kid. As every parent should know that you should never leave your child unattended in a highchair or chair.

[jamestripptrapp]

ok. Thanks for this valuable insight. If you'd read any of the discussion before your comment, you'd know the surface was not uneven, the extenders are not on the market here, and didn't exist anywhere when this video was made. Most chairs can NOT be tipped back, only badly designed ones. I agree that you don't leave a child unattended, but I don't feel a parent should be required to sit behind the child holding the chair at all times, which is what would be required here.

[megsterpie]

Yes the extenders are on the market in the US they are in the box labeled Extended Gliders. So PLEASE explain to us how can a chair that had been on the market in Europe for 38 (I think 9 years here in the US) has not been taken off the market? I could not find any information on injuries or lawsuits as a result of using this chair in the US or Europe.

[jamestripptrapp]

@megsterpie I'm not really concerned what's written on the box in the US, as I don't live in the US. I'm in Europe, and bought this chair from an ofiicial dealer, and extended gliders don't exist here. Have you ever wondered WHY they had to introduce extended gliders? As for other people with this issue, try google, or just take the effort to read some of the other comments here. Stokke actually recommended I screw the chair to the table, and mailed me a strap to do this with.

[Emmieb1]

We just bought one and it came with the extenders. My BIL didn't attach them when he assembled it (not sure why) and we spent the whole week telling their son (mine is not even a month old and therefore not yet in the seat) to keep his feet off the table. I will certainly a) add the extenders and b) never leave my son alone in this chair. Thanks for posting!

[youcrazygrady]

Our baby did the exact same thing and narrowly missed both a sharp bookshelf edge and a concrete floor. For those doubters: this is not a hoax or a trick

Thank you for posting this video -- we have been warning friends and random people browsing in the baby stores.

Bought a huge 'less cool' Chicco highchair and now have baby number two in it.

[jamestripptrapp]

Glad to hear your baby was lucky like our James in avoiding serious injury. You would not believe the arguments I have with people on here who insist it's my fault. We started to use it again once James got to about 3 or so, as the seat is then lower so the centre of gravity moves forward, and the risk is gone. I just want people to keep little babies out of this thing. Thanks for posting your comment.

[sugarloz]

Jeez this is scary! Was actually on the net because I was looking at buying one for my bub and then came across this!!

Its a shame to see some people get so upset about your video.

If nothing else at least it warns me that there is a possibility this can happen regardless of the argument that the chair was installed correctly or not..

Thank you very much for posting this.

[X0ellenandportia0X]

thats cute but it looks so dangerous

[henleyfilms]

We've had one for 3 years with no problems like this. It's been on carpet the whole time. Just bought a second one today for our younger daughter.

[Peanut071505]

My daughter just did this and unfortunately fell back to the floor. I had a heart attack! She's OK thank goodness. I just ordered the extenders with express delivery. This is a danger I never knew about!

[jamestripptrapp]

oh no! Thank goodness she's ok. Thanks for adding your comment, it's good for people to see I'm not making this up. Isn't it a bizarre situation that you need to buy an optional extra to prevent injury to your child? You should contact Stokke directly and give them a piece of your mind. Maybe we should be getting legal advice!! Hey Stokke, what is the purpose of the extender? Is there something wrong with the design of the chair that it needs them? Damn right there is!

[chetopuffs]

@jamestripptrapp

What a legal response would sound like!

There is nothing wrong with the chair's design. The extenders are for children of this age group that may cause this exact accident. Infants and older children are unlikely to cause this kind of tip over. It is the responsibility of the parent to purchase and install these "available" items.

Really its time for us as parents to own up to our decisions.

Its not required to have side airbags, buts a good idea to spent the money to get them.

[jamestripptrapp]

@chetopuffs What decision do you want me to own up to? The decision to show people that they need to be careful when putting a baby in a tripp trapp? As I've been at pains to point out, the extended gliders are not readily available here, and did not exist at all when this video was made. They did not exist because Stokke did not acknowledge that there was a very real risk when placing the baby's weight so high in the frame. the video serves a purpose: get the extenders or don't use the chair.

[chetopuffs]

Sorry James you misunderstood me, there is nothing wrong with you video. Thank you for showing everyone a possible danger to children.

My point is that, children require supervision not a world made of Nerf. You caught you child from falling, because you were watching your child. Parents who just walk away and let them fall need to own up to their decisions.

My other point is that I don't believe you will get real far with a lawsuit with the given safety measures available with this product.

[jamestripptrapp]

@chetopuffs Agreed. Just one point is that supervision alone, as I interpret it, may not be sufficient to stop this happening. You would need to physically position yourself at all times so you could catch the chair. But we are agreed otherwise. As for a lawsuit, well, not something I would be intersted in. In 2005, when we bought ours, there were none of the measures discussed available, and we were told by the company this had never happened before. That's what annoyed me.

[dcstar2005]

@chetopuffs BULLSHIT DO YOU HAVE KIDS ?? A HIGH CHAIR SHOULD BE A SAFE PLACE TO LEAVE YOUR CHILD AND GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE !! WHO JUST SITS BEHIND THEIR CHILD THAT'S IN A HIGH CHAIR ?? I THINK SITTING ACROSS FROM YOU CHILD IS CONSIDERED SUPERVISION DO YOU ? EVEN STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM WOULD EVEN BE CONSIDERED SUPERVISION . SO WHEN THAT CHILD TIPS OVER BACKWARDS IN THE CHAIR WHILE THE PARENT IS IN THE SAME ROOM WAT DECISIONS ARE THERE THAT NEED TO BE OWNED UP TO ?

[chetopuffs]

@dcstar2005

1st)

What makes you think that suspending you child 3 feet in the air and walking away is ever a good idea?

Of course you can watching them from across the room, when they are on the ground.

2nd)

Damn straight someone sits next to my child when she is in her chair, on my bed, or on the couch (anywhere off the ground). How could I ever help my kid if she were to fall out of her chair, if no one is next to her to catch her?

3rd)

Turn you cap lock off, it makes you sound like an ass.

[vedim]

thank you for the warning !

I'll pay close attention to my baby in the tripptrapp chair, sertainly now I know this

[1976mnb]

I would put the invemtor in to the chair and smashed his head

[pansarballe]

My kid is kicking the table exactly like the kid in the video. We have pergo floors and the chair just slides away with no tendency to flip. The chair in the video sticks to the floor and thus the force topples it. I will put it against the wall now.. :)

[liseniels]

I have two of these chairs. One from fall 2006 and one from fall 2008. Both have the plastic rail to prevent this. We have hard wood floors. Not sure if the plastic rails would work on carpet.

[jpriddle]

Our 2009 model includes a pair of plastic extensions for the base of the chair to remedy this issue. These extensions can also be purchased separately for existing Tripp Trapps. We personally love this chair.

[rikola1984]

Oh my god! i have just purchased one yesterday for my baby (nearly 6months old). my sister had one and they have never had any problems. her daughter is 5. in germany this chair was rewarded as the best and savest high chair on the market!!! i'm gutted

[jamestripptrapp]

Don't panic, I'm sure you'll be fine, just be aware that this is a posibility, If you can position the chair with a wall behind it, you'll be ok, as ther's nowhere to fall back to.

[eatmungbeans]

that really is frightening.

Perhaps some extendable bars from the base would be a good solution for floors on which the chair sticks. Relying on sliding to prevent overbalancing seems a bit too much of a hack for me, and a warning to test it should be on a highly visible sticker, or preferably a non removable label

agreed that the point is that the child can be positioned close to the table.

should have read the manual won't help an injured child after the fact. not everyone will read it.

[jamestripptrapp]

Thanks for your comment. I think you get my point entirely. I have zero to gain from this, except grief from tripp trapp evangelists who have to show that black is white. I've had at least 10 emails from people who have changed their minds on purchasing, or at least postponed the purchase until their child is older. To me, that's a result.

[mdmlee]

I'm definitely having 2nd thoughts! Thanks so much for posting!

[jamestripptrapp]

I'm weary now. Read the thread. I've measured the table, it is to spec. I've tried all the combinations, brought it to the supplier, and these are the only videos I've got. If you read the thread you'd realise I can't provide you with any new videos to satisfy your anal misgivings. I am an engineer and understand the physics involved in tipping this/any chair. My floor is standard sealed cork tiling. This chair is not suitable for a baby.

[fiveandahalfcents]

I've read the thread. And know some physics, too. But I can also read instruction manual. "The seat is set at the correct height when your childs elbows are level with the table top...". I am not asking if you tried 'all' combinations, I am just asking whether you tried *the only correct one*, which, as you will immediately see, cannot be used with your table. If you did, why you made it completely wrong for the video?

[jamestripptrapp]

ah, ok. Thanks for the feedback. I'm afraid you kind of lost me with the psychology/physiology nonsense, but I guess I'm not smart enough to follow. I'll put the child even higher, maybe sit him on a phone directory too. That should fix it. Wonder if Ford put a 'do not allow anyone rear end you' in the Pinto manual.

[fiveandahalfcents]

So, you want to say that you have not tried the correct setup, have you? Whould the baby be able to raise his legs that high with the seat installed properly, ah? Whould he wish (get the idea) to do this trick if the footrest is in place? If you follow the instruction you would discover, though it is not stated explicitly, that the chair is incompatible with your table at all.

Ok, now we know that improper usage of the chair is highly dangerous, thank you. Anything else to say?

[fiveandahalfcents]

You made three mistakes when assembling the chair. Watch manufacturer's video at 1:05-1:45. Nothing is adjusted properly: seat height, seat depth, footrest height. The instruction also suggests not to use this type of table and WARNS you about tilings with high friction. So, what's the problem? You just demonstrate that it is dangerous not to read manufacturer's instructions. This is true about nearly everything.

[jamestripptrapp]

Read the rest of the thread and the history of this discussion, and the conversations with the manufacturers, and the different specs for different markets, and the changes in documentation, then make your comments. You have such a cheek. If you bothered your backside to read what's gone before, you would know that every permutation of assembly has been tried, AND verified with the manufacturer. I never got any video from the manufacturer, where is it? Was it included with my chair? tiresome.

[fiveandahalfcents]

I will know that the right assemly has been tried only if I see it on the video. On both your videos the chair is assembled completely wrong. No matter what you SAY about verification with stokke. I don't believe the instruction has changed in the adjustment part. At least, mine, which I got three years ago with the chair, says exactly the same as the one on the stokke site. The video I meant is also at that site.

[jamestripptrapp]

With the baby set there is only one possible height for the seat. So, you are incorrect to say I've got this wrong. There is only one factor in the assembly which will influence the ability for the chair to tip back, that is the height of the child in the frame, which is dictated by the fixed length of the crotch strap. Whether the footrest is high, low or absent is totally irrelevant where the tipping risk is concerned. Likewise the seat depth is not relevant.

[fiveandahalfcents]

1. In *all* pictures of tripp trapp + baby set that I get by google the seat is installed in the top position, i.e. one level UP compared to your setup. Even if you have a different version, whatever, your setup is different from the recommended one in three (!) aspects. 2. Physical ability is not the only issue to consider. Physiology and psychology are no less important. *The only* way to know what really matters is to try. Your video demonstrates a wrong setup. What about right one?

[heatonp99]

When I first saw this clip, I thought to myself why is a baby in a Kinderzeat (I still call it that). I've had the Kinderzeat since my son was around 20 months so I never had it when he was a baby. It is definately dangerous for babies. Stokke started to market it to younger toddlers and than eventually babies. Such a shame!!

[nick8718]

thanks for this James. Was just about to order one - with the sole intention being that it would be easy to pull up to the table. May well stick with my daughter's old one. have you sent this to Stokke yet? I would love to hear about their response!

[jamestripptrapp]

Hi, thanks for commenting. Believe me, I have had so many conversations about this online and off. The main issue, I reckon, is that there is too much friction between the cork tiles and the glide strips at the base of the chair. This, combined with the fact that the base does not extend back far enough, allow James to shift the centre of gravity out over the rear edge of the base and, BINGO. We don't have slick polished wooden floors, as is the norm in Scandinavia, where Tripp Trapp comes from.

[zoopstud]

Where did you get the back rest for that chair? It is much higher then the standard one and the child is actually leaning back with his head against it to get the leverage to tip the chair. If it was not so high the chair would just slip backwards due to the lower pivot point.

[jamestripptrapp]

The backrest came with the chair as an accessory for smaller babies where there might be a risk of them 'flopping' backwards. Made by Stokke, bought with the Tripp Trapp (in 2005). However, I studied indepth how James does it, and it's all done from the lower back. If you look at his first topple in video no2, you'll see he doesn't touch the top of the backrest at all. In the subsequent topple, he does, but more as an effort to see me than to use it for leverage.

[NadiaMaria]

I apologize if my comment was perceived as a "self righteous and patronizing outburst". That was not my intention. I was simply trying to give my opinion to the claim that the chair is "dangerous" by suggesting a common sense easy fix. If that was construed as me lecturing you on duties of parenting - then that was misconstrued and again I apologize. I thought it quite good of you to post the "possible danger". Hopefully that will come across sincere...

[jamestripptrapp]

Sorry if my response seemes somewhat irritated, but I find it is common for people to react in defence of the chair rather than the child. You say that the chair is fine when freestanding, and I say the whole point of the chair is that it is designed NOT to be free standing. I know it is "my job" to keep the kid safe, which is why I spent a couple of hundred bucks on this 'super' high chair, believing it to be the best and safest choice. This IS a dangerous design, not suitable for babies.

[NadiaMaria]

I understand your point - I really do.The chairs are heinously expensive and one would expect that not to happen so easily.When I said free standing, I in no way meant in the middle of the room,I mean a few inches from the edge of the table, just enough for a foot not to be able to push off until the meal. Have you tried sending this clip to Stokke? Since you mentioned others were injured in this way,maybe they would in turn change their claim and include a warning for small babies. Best wishes!

[NadiaMaria]

The chair is not a danger - putting our kids 2 close 2 the table is! I believe that ANY chair 2 close WILL tip just as easily. It is our job 2 keep our kids safe and use common sense when positioning our kids 2 close 2 anything. Free standing, the chair IS designed 2 be extremely hard 2 tip, so pull the kiddies back a few inches away from the table if you're not right there and the risk of injury drops dramatically. Thank you & Best wishes for your son James... He's adorable & quite clever!

[jamestripptrapp]

Sadly, as the whole selling point of the Stokke Tripp Trapp is its suitability for positioning against the dining table without the need for a tray, your point is a little irrelevant. If I wanted to leave my child sitting out in the middle of the floor, I'd have got a traditional upright high chair with a tray attached. Please read the rest of the comments before delivering a self-righteous and patronising outburst. I don't need you to tell me my duties as a parent.

[natasjasproat]

wow thats not cool..thanks for the post, was just about to buy one online!

[someiota]

Thank you for posting this. I was just about to buy one.

[chipilou]

I've got that chair for more than 2 years, I'm now using it with both my daughters, ( 8 months and 2,5) and I love the chair!

I never had (not once) a problem with it tipping, it always slides back. I used it in 2 different appartment with woodfloors.

As another user commented mine doesn't have the high back like the one in the video. I don't know if this would make a difference.

[cndawes]

Hi, we are having exactly the same problem with our tripp trap chair. Our one year old little girl has just now discovered that she can push it back and it does not slide along our floor (oak floorboards), instead it tips just like in your video. We are off to look for a new high chair!

[marniebat]

hi, i'm curious which model of tripp trapp chair you have? I had a european 2001 model and now i have two US 2007 models and none of them had a high, curved back like the one in your video.

the european model had a wooden bar like yours, the US models have plastic bars sold separately. the 2007 chairs have longer bases than the 2001 model I owned. I'm wondering if yours is an old model and the tipping issue has been resolved, or if your chair is a different brand than Stokke?

[brow1068]

I guess I am curious as to why the entire chair doesn't just slide backwards? Right now my son is in a booster and he puts his feet against the table and pushes it just pushes him and the entire chair away from the table. Have they put special cushions on the feet to keep it from sliding?

[jamestripptrapp]

I don't know why the chair doesn't slide back. Stokke rely on it to slide back, that's why they say it can't tip over. But I can tell you it does not slide back on our floor, which is smooth sealed and varnished cork tiling, which I would regard as a pretty low friction surface. They have 'low friction' pads on the base, but it's not enough to ensure the safety of a baby postioned high up in the frame.

[jessezuzu]

Thank you for this video -- that's exactly what my 6-month-old son would do (he tries to push off of me all the time!), and I was about to spend a lot of money on this thing. We have one for my 4-year-old, who loves it, but it's clearly not for little babies.

[jamestripptrapp]

I agree entirely. It's a fine chair once the kids get older, but it is NOT suitable for babies. I don't care if they've sold a billion Tripp Trapps, I would never put a baby in one again. You could try positioning the chair so there's a wall behind your 6-moth old, but I think it is crazy that we should have to re-arrange the furniture to make this expensive chair safe.

[jamestripptrapp]

Hi. To be honest, I would say, for a 3 year old, the chair is fine. An older child will have the seat positioned lower, and will never be able to tip it back, at least not without a massive effort. Just beware, and do a little testing in the shop, but it should be fine for that age. My issue is really with this chair being used for babies, where they are positioned higher, and lack the realisation of what will happen if they fall back.

[Fristessa]

wow....well i'm certainly not getting it then.

[annireland23]

hi james, how about puting the back of the chair near or against the wall so, your boy can't fall backward.

Anyway, thank you for you information

Merry Christmas !!

[jamestripptrapp]

Yes, that works, and it's what we had to do before we replaced the seat. So, users now need to re-arrange the kitchen to suit this 'amazing' high chair. This is a dangerous chair. If you google tripp trapp and words like fall, tumble, tip, you'll see I'm not alone, and that some babies HAVE been hurt.

[annireland23]

Hi james..i think a big frame under the table top makes it easier for children to push their legs against the table and tilt backwards. Also note that TRIPP TRAPP® high chair is designed for dining tables 28-30" (72-76 cm) high.

[jamestripptrapp]

The table has simple metal legs and a metal horizontal frame approx 2 inches (5cm) high. The table is 29inches (74cm) high. I'm not doing anything wrong, have followed Stokke's advice to the letter. I have spoken with them. They acknowledge in the User Guide (p2) that a child can tip the seat backwards, and that a big framed table makes it easier. A baby can, with relative ease, tip this chair backwards, potentially harming themselves. This is a flawed design, not suitable for babies.