Battle For Russia Part 1 of 10

[lukebccb]

Russians drink a lot of tea?

[mddemm]

thx 2 Russia, 4 the Victory against Nazis cunts!

[zacharyberne]

Was that Moscow 1941 in the opening I heard? :D I loved playing that song.

[StSimonOfTrentV]

It took the enourmos size of Russia to stop the third reich. That right there is power.

[matthewm888888888888]

Germany lost the war when it failed to defeat Russia, and in addition to that, at its moment of failure, the US joined the war and its additional immense war potential further ensured Germany's defeat.

[MrKengre123]

1 division 20000 men

[Malovolpe]

200 million men??? I call bullshit

[FrozenPetrolPie]

wow what a gem. The hear Americans praise Russia is really unheard of. Thanks for the upload!

Fun fact, the Great Nordic War 1700 was not started by Sweden against Russia. Russia attacked Sweden.

[June28July]

@khanbaliq

NOPE! I live in the US and it's fine! Many would kill to live here.

[RovingCounter]

Yes. only the Readers Digest had the temerity to print an article critical of the Russian Reds during this time. The OWI kept Americans in the dark abou the Soviets real agenda.

[rolsson138]

Russia was beaten to a pulp in the great war and if Germany wasn't fighting a two-front war Russia would have been destroyed. The bolshevik government made a truce and gave up a huge chunk of land to the germans.

[Minoutto]

No mention of the massive American and British aid to Russia in order to defeat the European Imperium, led by Germany in order to defeat communism in the East. Also, no mention of Russian offers of capitulation during the start of Operation Barbarossa throughout this documentary.

[purity5555]

Russians suffered massive losses at the beginning of Barbarossa because of unpreparedness. However Russia's own output of tanks, guns, planes...were significantly higher than the Germans' throughout the war. Russia also had advantage in manpower. Even without Anglo-American aid, and Normandy landing, Russia alone would be able to defeat Germany. Likewise, the US would be able to take care of Japan in the Pacific without needing any help from other nations.

[Minoutto]

Russia alone would not have been able to defeat the continental European army massed by Adolf Hitler. This is evident by numerous Russian offers of capitulation to Germany and, when those failed, numerous begging requests to the British and Americans. Not only did Russia lose men during the start of operation Barbarossa, but they also lost key strategic points for troop deployment and resources. Anglo-American aid was so massive to Russia that it was able to restart the entire War machine.

[purity5555]

a) there was NO continental European army. there were only nazi oppressor and conquered and oppressed europeans.

b) it was totally untrue that USSR ever offered to surrender.

c) speaking of Barbarossa, there were 3 strategic points: Leningrad, Moscow, and Kiev - Germans captured Kiev only.

d) Anglo-American aid was massive in numbers but NOT so in percentage of total Russian war materials ( less than 10% actually, Russian produced over 90% by themselves).

[mrceebees14]

Mother nature gets just as much credit for defeating the Germans as the Russians arms production and attrition.

Talk about bad fucking luck, they chose the worst winter in over 50 years to attack Russia.

That is bad luck, the fact Hitler did not pull his troops out and fall back to give them a chance to regroup in the spring was DUMB luck.

Hitler was a great speaker, he ever made some good calls, but he sucked in the end.

[purity5555]

Furthermore, USSR had never begged for help from Britain and the US.

It was the other way.

British and Americans sympathetically and willingly offered their help to defeat naziism.

[mrceebees14]

That is not true.

The USSR was begging the Allies to make the D-Day landing much earlier because they were getting their asses kicked.

Do you know how many Russians shot their own for running from the lines to fight the Germans?

The Soviets lose to the Germans and that first D-Day invasion gets utterly crushed.

[revol148]

@purity5555 so there were no "arctic convoys" sailing between Britain and Murmansk with supplies for the Soviet Union then?

[rhyshanan]

Russia would have beaten Nazi's without aid, the population difference was like comparing a fly to an elephant. Brave red-indian crushing americans on their safe island, until Dday when they conviniently landed while germany troops were preoccupied slaughtering the decoy russia's eastward. Wonder how the russians felt after usa started with spy planes into russia, nukes in turkey (responded to with cuban missle crisis) naval blockades, equiping the afghanistan terrorists etc.

[mrceebees14]

The killing ratio was 4/1 in favor of the German flys.

Now multiply that and you have a ton of slaughtered Elephants all over the place.

Remember, 1,000 bees can being down a Bear.

I don't like either of them, but Germany lost because of 2 main reasons. 1) Weather 2) Hitlers ego.

[5000jews]

@mrceebees14 i agree with you on hitlers ego but the winter of 41/42 is actually overatted in russias favour, although the germans suffered from frostbite and coldness, the russian likes suffered from starvation because their convoys could not travel over the snowy terrain.

[logancody07]

They also neglected to mention Russian convicts or counter revolutionary's were put in uniform and sent toward German positions on suicide missions to test strong points, mine fields and artillery accuracy of the Germans. They couldn't refuse or turn back as Red Army guns were pointed at their backs. A very effective tactic no civilised nation would ever take as military policy. If killed they'd be considered forgiven by "Sins atoned for in blood."

[felisleo101]

I love how they use footage from the film Alexander Nevsky at the beginning to illustrate the Teutonic invasion. Classic.

[dpsantos1994]

awesome 200.000.000 men!!!!!

and they lost :O

[KnightCrawler2]

Its funny to see an American doc that is pro-Russian! lol

[12Oc7ock]

The enemy of our enemy back then was our friend.

[spacehopperballs]

@KnightCrawler2 Before WW1 Russia was an enemy and the Tzar helped the US fight the British but after the revolution during WW1 the Russian became Allies - hence the pro Russian propaganda of the time.

Later they pretended to be enemies so they could start the Arms race(I mean cold war)

[patsyd80]

i would like to point out a misstake doc mate. "200 million men invaded russia" thanks for the docs though

[davelyng]

why do people always argue the numbers, who did what, who didn't do anything, who's bad, who's good. communism and socialism can only be achieved by the barrel of a gun. Lots of people died needlessly and all people can say is "well it's only 6 million instead of 7million. one is to meny. stop with the nationalistic attitude. grow up!

[IvanAtlas]

davelyng. I agree with you regarding the evils of communism and socialism but for me the numbers are important because I embrace accuracy and reality and I absolutely detest over-exaggeration and false propaganda, no matter who where it comes from. Credibility is lost when I discover fallacies and misinformation and it makes me question other claims.

[ElysiumFilms]

LOL. Axis used 200 Million men?

[IvanAtlas]

ElysiumFilms. Considering the entire population of Nazi Germany was 69 million, one does wonder how this figure was calculated.

[June28July]

HOLY S***! 200,000,000 MEN!!! HOW THE F*** DID THEY LOSE???... I guess there just wasn't enough to eat or something...

[VindictivePhilosophy]

Hitler went paranoid and commanded that all battle plans be forwarded onto him for approval. To the German demise, Hitler went through the Valkyrie, leading him to trust no one but himself. War plans on the Eastern Front were poorly devised and military allocations were wasted by the Russian Winter. Due to the size of Russia, supplies were difficult to obtain, so the Army starved and suffered. They lost morale and the Russian began to push. Thus pushing the Germans back into Fortress Russia.

[Crusnik2000]

he has his numbers wrong. 200 divisions is 6 million men not 200 million men. At the time germany didn't have the population so send 200 million men in to russia. they still don't

[Crusnik2000]

a division numbers between 10,000 and 30,000 men not one million

[phdecora]

thank you for posting this. calling it documentary is a stretch, then again, calling michael moore a documentary filmmaker is also a stretch. .... so why not go with the trend...

[ghostdivision7]

I have this documentary on DVD. It's a bit propaganda. Like the Sovjet people where united by sheer will...

[shoa31]

Why should the russian children pay for their grandfathers mistakes? why? you tell me!

[stargateproductions]

well they could have killed him.

[martydrooo]

Thats like saying American could have killed bush, or the germans could have killed hitler (i know there was an attempt), but the fact is NOBODY knew what evils stalin was up to unless you were his victim, so too late. Plus, he surrounded himself with unqualified people who were extreme loyalist. He had lots of doubles too, so who could know if you killed him. Only Khrushov revealed to the public Stalins deeds. Plus theres a lot of speculation where or not stalin was killed by poisoning.

[RichardSwayne]

True

[ce1estia1]

200 million men? WTF

 That was the total population of the US in 1941.

[madosopia]

IRL it was no more than 3 million men. Docmate is wrong.

[fellbladepickle]

"200 Axis divisions (200 million men)"

200 million men? Some how, I doubt this...

[Docmate]

That was what the description on the movie mentioned.

[fellbladepickle]

Actual numbers were closer to 6.5 million men.

[Docmate]

OK whatever

[HelenaXVI]

@fellbladepickle Just over 3 million men took part in operation Barbarossa. In total, about 5 million German soldiers had "visited" Russia during the whole war, I think.