@steelbrushtattoo i am no longer Christian either, now deist. I have also experienced chains of guilt falling off. quite liberating. no more church BS !!!
I love what you have to say here. Now excuse me while I pray for 7 hours on my fast so I will know how to show all them other 'grace oriented' Christians what God wants them to do...lol
hello John great video I just made a set of videos titled Christianity vs Legalism if you get a chance check it out if you could pass the word along it would be greatly appreciated thanks ,Danny
I'm still trying to sort this out and i ask these questions out of honest inquriy and do not mean to come a cross as a judgemental watch dog, but i do have some questions about these "signs of legalism.'
Let me start by saying that I have never once believed that my works get me into heaven. I never have been a legalist in the sense that I believed that "If I do "this" then God will love me.
Concerning question #3, since the Bible is the absolute word of God, does not the Bible's commands create a "black and white" view of right and wrong? if not, then how do we reconcile such a theory with Christ's "you with me or against me stance"? If the Bible has clear commentary on the subject, are we not to do our best to uphold the standard without compromise? The only area i can see for legalism to slip in here is if standards are enforced on brothers that are not born of clear commentary.
As for Question #6, Psalm 7:11 says that God is angry with the wicked every day. I may be saved, but I still produce evil, which as I understand, makes me wicked.
Furthermore Isaiah 59:2 says that my sins can keep my prayers from being heard. This can't be fixed by mere confessing of sins according to Judges 10:10-16, it requires repentance. But like the Israelites, I return to my sin. How do I reconcile these verses, which seem to suggest a merit relationship with not becoming a legalist?
#10 confuses me a lot. Are we not commanded to not carve our flesh or mark our body in Leveticus? I understand that there are brothers and sisters in Christ who have had a rough life before meeting the Father, but upon conversion, should they not take them off?
I guess my the difference for me has always been that the sin of piercings is on the out side rather than mine which for the most part is hidden but just as filthy in God's eyes.
But should they not be removed as my own secret sin?
Finnaly, how do I maintain my hatred of evil without becoming a legaist? How do I balance my righteous indingation at criminals without becoming a pharsee that is unconcered with the spiritual well being of such people?
Excellent vid.Yes, Gods love is AMAZING! Im only really motivated to serve God from the heart, after I reflect on His mercy and He never gives up on me! I would have given up on me allready!
It is wrong to Judge others. But the part about works i disagree with..Faith without works is dead my friend. matt 18 says it all..so does matt 5 : 22
It is Not a waste of Time.But I encourage you to look at what Jesus said & did.His love,grace & mercy he had for those who earnestly sought truth & healing.Jesus` biggest issues were with the religious/legalistic folks.
Nonsense. I suggest that you read the Bible thoroughly, instead of selectively. Jesus threatened hellfire for those who called others "Fools", but didn't take his own advice. He commanded us to HATE our families and desert them to prove how much we loved him- what a fucking ego-tripper!
why are most of you atheist so angry? If God talk raises your blood pressure then dont bother watching and commenting.here let me help you.you have been blocked.spread your hate elsewhere.christian soldier onward.lol
I think that they all DO represent what might be termed a legalist.
Nothing external matters, except as the Spirit of God works in us and it is made manifest by our works, even then, it is Him working. Philippians 2:13 We are to rest in Him and let Him Work in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Added point: if you're maturing in the spiritual life, you go through a phase where you fall in love with God, and you DO become anal, because you're trying to be perfect FOR Him. On the surface, it will seem like legalism. The Love will mature and grow you out of that awkward phase, if you keep on keeping on in the WORD (be sure to use 1Jn1:9 like breathing, lol).
No, I've not heard of Bob George, but maybe he is/was also under my pastor at one time, so would be harping on the need of 1Jn1:9 in order to be spiritually breathing. My pastor stressed that so much, lots of folks in the church left it. They were wrong. So was I, for thinking it wrong that he REPEAT so much, lol! I'll go to realanswers and come back here later. Ciao!
1Jn1:5-10's text is plain. If we're in a state of sin unnamed to God, we're in the dark, but fancy self in the light. It's a FELLOWSHIP issue: defiled temple(katharizw in 1Jn1:9's used in LXX for purifying the Temple). See the pun? Holy Spirit won't fill what's defiled. It's a POWER OF PERCEPTION issue. Sure, OT Temple defiled is STILL a temple (we=Temple, still saved): but Spirit didn't fill it. So we too aren't filled til 1Jn1:9's used. Ergo, grasp of Bible will be legalistic or limited.
So um -- that site is incorrect. We DO need t need 1Jn1:9 to be in FELLOWSHIP with God (see also Ps32:5, 66:18, same rule in OT). The site fails to discern between purification of salvation (1Jn1:7, hence you GET God's Life & Power), vs FUNCTIONAL SPIRITUALITY post-salv (latter's the theme of 1Jn). Unadmitted sin is a breach of fellowship: the believer refuses fellowship. So, not filled until 1Jn1:9 used. I use 1Jn1:9 instinctively (even when asleep). it's an easy habit to gain, Jn14:26.
Question 2 and 5 are my stumbling blocks. I have this tendency that other ppl are 'better' than me. That makes me vunerable to accusations. So, I'm thinking of the verses in Matt. 11: 29,30, 'Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden light." Bless
Remember Deb you are fearfully and wonderfully made.The only opinion of you that matters is Gods.When you see more of his love & grace for you and through you, amazing things will happen in your innermost being.this i pray for you amen
Hi brother John, I thought I invited you to my friends'list but I haven't as yet. So I've sent you a friend's invite. If you like you can accept my invite. I'd really like that. ps. I would have asked you via comments on your channel but I couldn't find the commentbox on your channel. Bless, Deb
Nope not a legalism. I don't wring the hands. I think the main Goal is about selflessness and compassion...Possible the two messages Christ preached...Everything else in my opinion in commentary
13. Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17 this should be our motive for going to services. to be strengthened and to strengthen.
14. But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6
but...
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Philipians 4:13
Excellent questions my brother, am looking forward to watching the video with sound, God bless
12. Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17 We gather together to admonish and strenghten one another, united we stand divided we fall. The answer to this question is determined by the motivation for going to the services in the first place.
10. For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he... Proverbs 23:7. only God knows the heart. Though it is our duty to... reprove, for correct, for instruct in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works 2 Timothy 3:17
9. There is one body and one Spirit just as you were called to one hope when you were called one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:4-6
maybe the question should be... can there be more than one church?
8. Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6.
very good question, it is very easy to compromise where children are concerned, we must endevour to hold up a certain standard where ever we find ourselves, if we teach children correctly, they will behave correctly where ever they find themselves.
7. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mark 12:30
6. For God so loved the world... John 3:16 Messiah is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the World Rev 13:8. The Lord 'is predisposed' to have Love for us. God loves the sinner but hates the sin. and is angry toward sin
4. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling. Philipians 2:12
hi bro, thanks for the response, am at work at the moment and unfortunately don't have sound on my computer, i will attempt, as the day progresses, to answer the questions as you have written them in the vid description, God bless
@steelbrushtattoo i am no longer Christian either, now deist. I have also experienced chains of guilt falling off. quite liberating. no more church BS !!!
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monika48849 1 year ago
I love what you have to say here. Now excuse me while I pray for 7 hours on my fast so I will know how to show all them other 'grace oriented' Christians what God wants them to do...lol
musicmusing 1 year ago
good video. now if only they were honest...
musicmusing 1 year ago
hello John great video I just made a set of videos titled Christianity vs Legalism if you get a chance check it out if you could pass the word along it would be greatly appreciated thanks ,Danny
DannyHebel 1 year ago
I'm still trying to sort this out and i ask these questions out of honest inquriy and do not mean to come a cross as a judgemental watch dog, but i do have some questions about these "signs of legalism.'
Let me start by saying that I have never once believed that my works get me into heaven. I never have been a legalist in the sense that I believed that "If I do "this" then God will love me.
That said here are my questions.
Lifescythe 2 years ago
Concerning question #3, since the Bible is the absolute word of God, does not the Bible's commands create a "black and white" view of right and wrong? if not, then how do we reconcile such a theory with Christ's "you with me or against me stance"? If the Bible has clear commentary on the subject, are we not to do our best to uphold the standard without compromise? The only area i can see for legalism to slip in here is if standards are enforced on brothers that are not born of clear commentary.
Lifescythe 2 years ago
As for Question #6, Psalm 7:11 says that God is angry with the wicked every day. I may be saved, but I still produce evil, which as I understand, makes me wicked.
Furthermore Isaiah 59:2 says that my sins can keep my prayers from being heard. This can't be fixed by mere confessing of sins according to Judges 10:10-16, it requires repentance. But like the Israelites, I return to my sin. How do I reconcile these verses, which seem to suggest a merit relationship with not becoming a legalist?
Lifescythe 2 years ago
#10 confuses me a lot. Are we not commanded to not carve our flesh or mark our body in Leveticus? I understand that there are brothers and sisters in Christ who have had a rough life before meeting the Father, but upon conversion, should they not take them off?
I guess my the difference for me has always been that the sin of piercings is on the out side rather than mine which for the most part is hidden but just as filthy in God's eyes.
But should they not be removed as my own secret sin?
Lifescythe 2 years ago
Finnaly, how do I maintain my hatred of evil without becoming a legaist? How do I balance my righteous indingation at criminals without becoming a pharsee that is unconcered with the spiritual well being of such people?
Many thanks!
Lifescythe 2 years ago
Excellent vid.Yes, Gods love is AMAZING! Im only really motivated to serve God from the heart, after I reflect on His mercy and He never gives up on me! I would have given up on me allready!
ScrapGoldBass 2 years ago
It is wrong to Judge others. But the part about works i disagree with..Faith without works is dead my friend. matt 18 says it all..so does matt 5 : 22
redbonesmkia 2 years ago
nice
onegreeneye 2 years ago
Keep doing what your doing, ThirdProverb, and More people than you think will come to see God's grace.
1girlsruleboysdrule 3 years ago
This stuff makes me glad to be a Satanist.
coralarch 3 years ago
Sorry to hear your on the other side.i will pray for you to see the light
ThirdProverb 3 years ago
3rdproverb, don't waste your time. The older I get, the more I am disgusted with the religion of slaves.
coralarch 3 years ago
lol
ThirdProverb 3 years ago
Good to see a God-botherer with a sense of humour.
coralarch 3 years ago
It is Not a waste of Time.But I encourage you to look at what Jesus said & did.His love,grace & mercy he had for those who earnestly sought truth & healing.Jesus` biggest issues were with the religious/legalistic folks.
ThirdProverb 3 years ago
Nonsense. I suggest that you read the Bible thoroughly, instead of selectively. Jesus threatened hellfire for those who called others "Fools", but didn't take his own advice. He commanded us to HATE our families and desert them to prove how much we loved him- what a fucking ego-tripper!
coralarch 3 years ago
why are most of you atheist so angry? If God talk raises your blood pressure then dont bother watching and commenting.here let me help you.you have been blocked.spread your hate elsewhere.christian soldier onward.lol
ThirdProverb 3 years ago
@coralarch Everyone is a slave. The issue is who do you serve?
Mike82ARP 11 months ago
Great video, Brother John. Nice find.
I think that they all DO represent what might be termed a legalist.
Nothing external matters, except as the Spirit of God works in us and it is made manifest by our works, even then, it is Him working. Philippians 2:13 We are to rest in Him and let Him Work in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Thanks for sharing that.
Phil T
Evangelander 4 years ago
Added point: if you're maturing in the spiritual life, you go through a phase where you fall in love with God, and you DO become anal, because you're trying to be perfect FOR Him. On the surface, it will seem like legalism. The Love will mature and grow you out of that awkward phase, if you keep on keeping on in the WORD (be sure to use 1Jn1:9 like breathing, lol).
brainouty 4 years ago
LOL ! i need to ask -have you heard of Bob George. He tackles this 1Jn1:9 issue.If not go to realanswers(dot)net
ThirdProverb 4 years ago
No, I've not heard of Bob George, but maybe he is/was also under my pastor at one time, so would be harping on the need of 1Jn1:9 in order to be spiritually breathing. My pastor stressed that so much, lots of folks in the church left it. They were wrong. So was I, for thinking it wrong that he REPEAT so much, lol! I'll go to realanswers and come back here later. Ciao!
brainouty 4 years ago
1Jn1:5-10's text is plain. If we're in a state of sin unnamed to God, we're in the dark, but fancy self in the light. It's a FELLOWSHIP issue: defiled temple(katharizw in 1Jn1:9's used in LXX for purifying the Temple). See the pun? Holy Spirit won't fill what's defiled. It's a POWER OF PERCEPTION issue. Sure, OT Temple defiled is STILL a temple (we=Temple, still saved): but Spirit didn't fill it. So we too aren't filled til 1Jn1:9's used. Ergo, grasp of Bible will be legalistic or limited.
brainouty 4 years ago
So um -- that site is incorrect. We DO need t need 1Jn1:9 to be in FELLOWSHIP with God (see also Ps32:5, 66:18, same rule in OT). The site fails to discern between purification of salvation (1Jn1:7, hence you GET God's Life & Power), vs FUNCTIONAL SPIRITUALITY post-salv (latter's the theme of 1Jn). Unadmitted sin is a breach of fellowship: the believer refuses fellowship. So, not filled until 1Jn1:9 used. I use 1Jn1:9 instinctively (even when asleep). it's an easy habit to gain, Jn14:26.
brainouty 4 years ago
I enjoyed watching this video. He seems like a cool guy! I will seriously think about what he said also.
MerryJoy123 4 years ago
Question 2 and 5 are my stumbling blocks. I have this tendency that other ppl are 'better' than me. That makes me vunerable to accusations. So, I'm thinking of the verses in Matt. 11: 29,30, 'Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden light." Bless
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
Remember Deb you are fearfully and wonderfully made.The only opinion of you that matters is Gods.When you see more of his love & grace for you and through you, amazing things will happen in your innermost being.this i pray for you amen
ThirdProverb 4 years ago
Thank you for your encouraging words, brother. Bless, Deb
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
Hi brother John, I thought I invited you to my friends'list but I haven't as yet. So I've sent you a friend's invite. If you like you can accept my invite. I'd really like that. ps. I would have asked you via comments on your channel but I couldn't find the commentbox on your channel. Bless, Deb
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
Excellent video and very good questions...5 stars
wayman29 4 years ago
Nope not a legalism. I don't wring the hands. I think the main Goal is about selflessness and compassion...Possible the two messages Christ preached...Everything else in my opinion in commentary
wayman29 4 years ago
whoops, i totally missed question 12 and answered 13 twice... sorry.
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 1 John 4:7
lazbo4174 4 years ago
13. Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17 this should be our motive for going to services. to be strengthened and to strengthen.
lazbo4174 4 years ago
14. But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6
but...
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Philipians 4:13
Excellent questions my brother, am looking forward to watching the video with sound, God bless
lazbo4174 4 years ago
12. Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17 We gather together to admonish and strenghten one another, united we stand divided we fall. The answer to this question is determined by the motivation for going to the services in the first place.
lazbo4174 4 years ago
11. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7
lazbo4174 4 years ago
10. For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he... Proverbs 23:7. only God knows the heart. Though it is our duty to... reprove, for correct, for instruct in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works 2 Timothy 3:17
lazbo4174 4 years ago
please ignore the word 'for' that is before the word 'correct' (typing error)
lazbo4174 4 years ago
9. There is one body and one Spirit just as you were called to one hope when you were called one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:4-6
maybe the question should be... can there be more than one church?
lazbo4174 4 years ago
8. Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6.
very good question, it is very easy to compromise where children are concerned, we must endevour to hold up a certain standard where ever we find ourselves, if we teach children correctly, they will behave correctly where ever they find themselves.
lazbo4174 4 years ago
7. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mark 12:30
lazbo4174 4 years ago
6. For God so loved the world... John 3:16 Messiah is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the World Rev 13:8. The Lord 'is predisposed' to have Love for us. God loves the sinner but hates the sin. and is angry toward sin
lazbo4174 4 years ago
4. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling. Philipians 2:12
lazbo4174 4 years ago
3. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20
lazbo4174 4 years ago
2.Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Acts 5:29
it is the LORD we must look to please
lazbo4174 4 years ago
1. God Commends His Love Unto Us, In That While We Were Yet Sinners, Christ Died For Us Romans 5:8
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Hi John. I did the test. 6 yesses the rest no`s. I guess I am roughly half legal half illegal
alamo11 4 years ago
hi bro, thanks for the response, am at work at the moment and unfortunately don't have sound on my computer, i will attempt, as the day progresses, to answer the questions as you have written them in the vid description, God bless
lazbo4174 4 years ago