With practically every boat on the ocean using modern GPS devices, I don't understand why it is so complicated to employ a simple system where fishing is allowed only within 10km longitudinal stripes... and fishing is banned within a 1km strip that separates each longitudinal stripe, or something simple like that?
@wildwasser they allready have that inforce. The sfpa can close an area down as big as 10 x 10 miles for 3 weeks. And they probably have 30 areas closed all the time ongoing. Theres alot greenpeace aint tellin ya.
@suds42 they're actually trying to help an industry that is killing itself, greenpeace isn't killing the jobs. Marine reserves will increase the population of fish in the ocean, producing more fish to be caught by fishing boats.
The fishermen should pay no regard to these protestersm Greenpeace are just a bunch of arseholes out to make trouble for everyone else trying to make a living.
greenpeace are a crowd of morons,these fishermen are only trying to make a living,if they sat down and spoke to the these men on the ground and got the real COD figures they might just find that fisherman want conservation not devastation,where are they'r sails and oars , bloody crusty college drop outs!
@foxxsea if the fishermen sat down with greenpeace they may actually learn how marine reserves can increase fish stocks... creating MORE jobs... who's the college dropout now?
@TheAMVV12 Greenpeace UK's site is hosted on servers powered by renewable energy. This Youtube site is not, as far as I know. We are aware of the issue of high CO2 emissions from server farms, and are currently pushing Facebook to host their operations using renewable sources. Not ideal, but some progress is being made, and in terms of environmental damage, mass communication via the web is still far less intrusive than chopping down trees for paper etc.
i think its stupid how this page shows only the peacefull protests but if you look on youtube you will find all kinds of home made videos by fishermen wer protest ships try bored them or even ram other ships
@adamuk161221 Greenpeace actions are never violent, adamuk161221, it's against our core principles - so if there are videos out there of the nature that you suggest they are in no way connected with us.
i don´t get why you are trying to stop us?? we have a legal quota on the fish and its all devided over the countrys.. and u don´t have to try stop us we will just sail u down XD we did it on viking bank a few years ago or allmost
Its no wonder the trawler refused to stop fishing. She was catching whiting off the coast of Shetland when you guys came along. The pair team you tried the same stunt with earlier that day had just steamed over 100miles from the Bergen Bank in the Norweigian sector in order to get away from Cod ....which is exactly what you are trying to promote, it would be nice for you to occasionally recognise the fact that all fishermen are not the greedy criminals you make them out to be.
Here in NC. all landings are recorded, have to be in order to sell them or for your seafood to be purchased, no under the table fishing here. Biologists base their presumptions of fish populations which is BS. Landings only tell you what has already been caught, not is out there for the taking. Biologist refrain from taking variable change into consideration on landings as well, weather, water temp, targeting of other species, all these factors have no account on population statistics, BS !
They need to ban Euro vessels from fishing, I hate how Spanish ships come up to the North Sea and trawl away, while UK fishermen watch their quotas constantly getting reduced (even though the N. Sea is our damned neighbourhood)!
Next time,show us you really care and jump out right in front of the moving vessel, and they will have to stop fishing for a bit while they untangle your remains from the props and the net.
yes "cod are being fished to extinction"...thats why the EU has actually increased the cod quota in the N.Sea this year as a result of the Cod Recovery Scheme starting t work....and Greenpeace had nothin to do with any of this!!!!
Sadly, the EU are doing what they've done for the past decade - ignoring their own scientific advisors in favour of the demands of you guys. ICES advice for the 2009 season was - get this - NO cod should be caught. But instead the EU upped this year's cod quota by 30% - so when there are no north sea cod left for our kids to eat we'll know who to blame, won't we?
(The politicians, obviously... , not you guys :) )
Check the ICES site if you want to see their actual projected figures...
there isn't any problem with the cod and they aren't going to become extinct. green peace should stop interfering with tests of the interceptor missiles at vandenberg afb which is keeping us safe from missiles from north korea. without the missile shield, n. korea will eventually make a missile that works, and they will be happy to nuke us. green peace should stop getting in the way of tests of the system.
I work in the regulation and control of fishing, and even we recognise that the ICES figures are utter rubbish. Yes they are a scientific body, but what you need to understand is where their figures are derived from. They get them from the amount of fish landed by the fishermen and declared to the authorities. Because they do not have the funding for a statistically significant discard monitoring programme the massive under-recording carried out by fisherman means that the figures are rubbish
Yes indeed. IUU (Illegal, unrecorded and unregistered) fishing is a huge issue all over the world, including the N Sea. What's unbelievable is that even using the inaccurate figures which get declared, ICES scientists are still given enough casue for concern by the data to regularly recommend quota cuts to preserve vanishing fish stocks, and are STILL largely ignored or over-ruled by politicians scared of a backlash from fishermen.
A classic combination of greed and stupidity and fear which proves the old adage - something can be economically wrong, morally wrong and intellectually misguided, and yet it can be the preferred political solution.
Once the fish are all gone, who will the fishermen blame, you have to wonder - the politicians who accepted the fiddled figures and refused to enforce proper regulation, presumably?
Let's face it, fishermen who take more than their quota and dump hundreds of tons of bycatch/discards in search of a quick buck are the real eco-terrorists here.
Hi Slowdazzles, going by that statement i take it you know nothing about fishing...no fisherman wants to dump fish it comes out of your pay packet doing that. when you shoot a net you do not know what is going to come up..if you haul the gear and get a bycatch you will move from that area..net full of small fish floats....and doesnt catch anything else...
Hmmm... so what was the Shetland trawler Prolific up to when it was filmed by the Norwegian coastguards openly dumping 5,000 kg of white fish in UK N Sea waters last August, I wonder?
Discarding is a big problem - I know it's largely down to stupid EU rules, but fishermen who put quick profit above the long-term health of the N Sea have to take their share of the blame, I'm afraid.
er, the short answer is of course - no. I'm fascinated by this kind of twisted logic - the relationship between seals and fish is evolutionary , an equilibriun established over hundreds of thousands of years. Commercial overfishing, on the other hand, is probably about 80 years old. In that short time it's upset that natural balance because industrial processes mean we can strip the seas faster than they can replenish themselves.
We need marine reserves now, or you'll soon all be out of a job.
Hi again, short answer for me is i left fishing 8 years ago completely saddened by what i saw ahead....and by what some other member states of this union describe as fishing. being fined for fishing with a larger mesh size than europe thought i should was probably the final nail for me. But we shouldn't put all fishermen in the same box, i made the decision to sell up at 33 and a lot of skippers of my age have done the same although some are leading the way ahead in fish management.
unlike i may add...other countries of which i experienced first hand on the west coast of scotland and especially in the english channel where i repeatedly picked up dolphin remains from french pair teams.
Yup, I've been out in the channel and seen the same thing myself - disgraceful. I'm sorry you were forced out of fishing - we need as many responsible fishermen as possible. I'm against destructive, industrial fishing, because of the disastrous consequences, but I have a lot of respect for the fishermen themselves - having seen you guys working at first hand, I know what a difficult and dangerous job it can be.
i think attacking the lowest end of it with signs they will pobably just laugh at is pointless, the people on board the ship ae just working class people trying to scratch a living, they dont have a say in what goes on
there are so many professions in the world. who forced them to work in an industry that is endangering ocean populations? do you know what few fishermen did at my dockyard? sold their boats and bought land to grow fruits and veggies. maybe if westerners wouldnt be buying more than they can afford, they could easily change their workplace instead of being slaves to banks, mortgage and car sellers.
being a fisherman myself i would not have much sypathy for the clown who jumped into the sea if he was dragged under by 1 of the wires.what an idiotic thing to do.
How utterly pointless, stupid and dangerous, now what would have happened if that activist had died, who would have been responsible. I am sure there must be more constructive ways of protesting than this hair brained scheme, sadly I bet the trlewr crew could hardly do thier job for laughing, a stop sign in the middle of the ocean, its amusing if nothing else.
Surely the most constructive approach here is not to drop some poor twit in the middle of the ocean in front of a large trawler with nets out. In a way I agree with rgp2130 that at least it is keeping us laughing.
Sustainable fishing practices must be established to allow the next generations to enjoy fresh fish from a stable stock. GP are not adding any value to this process only reducing their credibility with antics like these.
Who do you think knows best in this situation fishermen who have been at sea catching fish for over 30 odd years or scientists who have probably only been out to sea a couple of times? Obviously fishermen who have been through the rise and fall of cod stocks and they say that there is more cod in the sea than years before, and because of quotas most of it is going back into the sea DEAD! what use is that? best thing gp can do is to go on trawlers and see for themselves how much cod there is
ICES scientists base their quota recommendations on figures supplied by fishermen - and they have no interest in putting you out of business (neither does Greenpeace). In fact the exact opposite is true - they are trying to secure sustainable fish stocks to keep your fishing industry alive. We should all be working together to achieve this. Putting short-term profits before the long-term health of your catch is the quickest way to put yourselves out of business. But you already know this...
greenpeace are alot of spastics fishermen are having to dump perfectly good dead marktable fish back into the sea because you have no fucking brains. that retard that jumped into the water in the video was endengaring their own life and stopping them from their work. they have rights to fish. if i was that skiper i would have just run that spastict over.FUCK YOU
1)dumping fish at sea is a product of the Common Fisheries policy and greedy fishermen trying to increase the value of their catch - nothing at all to do with Greenpeace.
2)your own words condemn you as an illiterate, violent asshole.
Now now gents, not everything GP does is bad, i mean take a look at this video for example, they try to enlighten us with humour, the humour being that they dropped that swimmer off on the port side of the trawler and he looked like a floating embaressment to his institution in the cold sea with this lollipop stop sign. Well done GP, keep us laughing.
its seems to a perfect indication of greenpeace's militant attitudes these days
"the post will be removed and you'll be blocked."
Clearly they have a problem with differing opinions to their own rather polarised view of things
seems just a pointless stunt to me
If you want to change the way cod is caught, you should look to brussels, But thats perhaps too democratic a way to bring about change, or do you just want to bully the easy targets??
We have no problem with listening to alternate points of view, as a quick trawl (pun intended) through these comments will quickly testify. But like most reasonable people we do have a problem with mindless, violent abuse and death threats, and will continue to delete them as and when they occur.
Totally support some of the work done by greenpeace but this is crazy. Which idiot thought this would stop a trawler of fishermen out to earn a living. Continue focussing your efforts on something which may have a chance of making a positive change in the world and stop pratting about.
For a trawler too work in the norweigan sector must have 120mm codend mesh size or more, therefore undersize cod can escape.
so the norweigan coastgaurd or you is full of shit.
No one knows how fish work and migrate. Tide, moon and weather are all took into factor. Scientists have been proven wrong before... think about it. You cant exactly work out how much tons of fish are in the sea. What type of fuel does your boat use and how much litres per day?
1/ the facts are there greenpeace. the prolific dumped 5 tonnes back in the sea = there are plenty cod
2/ If you look back to your previous argument with davie tait, you will see the cod stocks supposedly had fallen less than 50 % ties in with the tows being cut from 1 hour to 30 mins
3/ And for your argument on destruction of the sea bed.... shite. the sea bed is layered with sand or mud. easily repeared with tide and bad weather. and the retard in the water. i wid run the bastard doon.
5 tonnes of undersized cod and saith was the Norwegian coastguard's opinion, which the Prolific dumped to go after a more high value catch - more like chasing a quick buck than responsible behaviour to me. As to the amount of cod in the N Sea, you talk as though we're inventing a problem just to annoy you. The figures we use come from ICES, the scientists used by the EU to set quotas (which then get ignored). And sorry, but bottom trawling trashes the sea bed - fact. Check the science.
WRONG , sorry but I was a scientist for 9 years you have NOT been a scientist. Greenpeace do NO research work of their own and cherry pick / manipulate statistics data from the ICES output which is heavily filled with people with an agenda that is NOT scientific. Do you think anyone from a national Lab goes to ICES without following the governmental line especially when those governments are propped up by "green" parties ??
Anyone who's spent any time at sea should have the greatest respect for the difficult and dangerous job fishermen do - there aren't many harder ways to earn a living. But modern trawl methods are so advanced that they're wiping out whole swaithes of ocean life which is not being replaced - sometimes dumping thousands of dead fish because they think they can net a more profitable catch later in their trip...
This is partly down to dumb EU fishing policies and partly, I'm sorry to say, down to greed. A good example is the Shetland trawler Prolific, who's crew were recently filmed dumping 5 tonnes of white fish (cod and saithe) - it's crazy but unbelievably NOT illegal. You can see for yourself by going to the Greenpeace UK site and typic 'prolific' into the search box.
We are here because of nature, its not here because of us, good way of showing respect, greenpeace are trying to help. argue against helping another living thing you've just identified youself as the bad guy, everyone just rolls over these days "OH thats just how it is" noone thinks this is how its gonna be if we can't change "Its not that people cant change they don't change". I'm here to help the natural world, humans are special the guardians of the planet I know where I'm from DO YOU
I think what you did here is ridculeous because at the end of the day these fishermen are just trying to make a living. Let me tell you something, do you drive a car? In my opinion we should be worrying more about alternate energy and reducing our dependancy on fossil fuels than how much goddamn fish are in the waters. I dont think it was fair for you to put the fishermen in that position after all its not their fault. Why not chain yourself to westminster or something.
Thanks for your comment. For the record, Greenpeace is devoting most of its resources exactly as you suggest - on climate change and reducing CO2 emissions. But overfishing is a huge and serious issue too, with massive implications both for feeding the world's population and maintaining biodiversity.
Right now the fish you and I grew up eating like cod, tuna, haddock etc, are being overfished to the point of commercial extinction (ie their numbers are being reduced by up to 90%)...
... within 30 years. If we want to eat affordable seafood (& to have a fishing industry) over the next decades we have to to replace these stocks. So we're pushing for marine reserves (national parks at sea off limits to fishing) to allow stocks to recover. Long-term, this is the only solution which will guarantee both a sustainable supply of seafood and a future for our fishing industry. Fishermen know that they're chasing declining stocks - all the available scientific data confirms this.
I know this is an emotive issue folks, but just to remind you that while we welcome fair comment, we do reserve the right do delete violent and abusive posts. If that's what it takes to make your point - that point probably isn't worth making...
the actions of this irresponsible group put lives at risk not just there own this is not there first time do they really think fishermen want to plunder the sea to extinction we have had many rules and regulations forced upn us from governments that have not had the decency to hold there hands up and say no we have go it wrong
i don't see too many comment in favour of you're campaign, your actions were stupid and irresponsible to say the least! instead of believing all Greenpeaces propaganda, i ask you guys to educate yourselfs!! the fishermen endured years of quota restrictions and area colsures to ensure a sustainable future for themselves and the generations to come!!! Actons which place the live of your "activists" and fishermen in danger shoud be severely punished!! Shame on you!!
sustainably, if we keep catching fish by such methods as beam trawling and causing our fish to go to extinction we will have no fish left for our popultaion! Greenpeace are making sure we do have fish to eat!
The rachopenshaw comment was me down at a mates house.
I firmly believe that if the scientists went back to 1hr tows they would find that their estimates on Cod , Haddock and Saithe were woefully under the true levels on the grounds.
Anyone who blindly accepts the Greenpeace spin on the figures has my pity , as someone who has been at the job as a fisherman and scientist i'm too cynical to accept anything without double/triple checking it for myself
greenpeace have the public believing everything they say. in a blind world the one eyed man is king the public are blind in knowledge and GP are the able to tell them anything they want
Nonsense - Greenpeace offices publish their annual reports and accounts, which give details of income and expenditure, in exactly the same way as other companies and NGOs. You can download the latest overall figures from the Greenpeace International website (international/press/reports/annual-report-06).
I hve also heard of green peace trying to delibrately damage trawlers nets in the english channel,to me this is a criminal offence as it is damage of property.how you get off with that is disgraceful.what do u suggest the boats do,stop fishing and be out of work and not be able to pay bills,i can see you havent thought this through!!!!
For the first time, scientists have compiled a comprehensive map of the oceans showing the extent to which they have been damaged by man. The map integrates 17 different kinds of human activity including destructive fishing, pollution and climate change to study which parts of the marine environment have suffered most. They found more than 40% of the oceans bear the scars of serious environmental degradation and that only 4% have remained as pristine regions free of human influence.
And close to the top of the worst affected areas is our very own North Sea. Check out the map on the GPUK site at: blog/oceans/dead-seas-human-activities-are-killing-off-the-o ceans20080215
This has just been published in the 'Science' journal and represents years of research by reputable scientists with no particular axe to grind. Like to tell us why you know better, Davie Tait?
The BIGGEST proble that Greenpeace has is that it does absolutely NO RESEARCH of they're own to back up they're figures. They have never done groundfish trawl surveys ( the ONLY way to estimate young fish entering the fishery ) , never been out on fishing boats to do discard surveys ( and will never get due to their attitudes ) and pick out figures from stats very very selectively. How do I know this , i'm an ex-commercial fisherman AND ex-Fishery Scientist
As an ex fishery scientist you'll be aware that ICES conduct the most thourough analysis of the state of fish stocks, and they recommended no take of cod from the North Sea between 2000-2007 because stocks had fallen to less than half the amount required for sustainable fishing to take place - and yet because of politcal expedience fishing has continued regardless.
I'm afraid that ICES "research" has been fundamentally flawed for decades. For almost 100 years the Marine Lab did 1hr tows in the Research Surveys then in 1998 when the new FRV Scotia came into service they dropped to 30mins per tow,I did the comparison trip and they did NOT catch 50% of the bulk nor all of the species.Cod and Saithe need to tire before they fall back into a net and 30mins is NOT long enough. ICES is packed with people who think stopping fishing means more money for "research"
I say it as i've seen and worked at it WK197 , there is more Cod in the North Sea than in the last 25 years. Boats have been steaming up to 200 miles just to get away from them so they can catch Haddocks.
Read Charles Clover's book 'end of the line' - he's certainly no 'trendy-lefty' and he's massively critical of the short-term way the seas are being plundered - as should anyone be who cares about the long term future of the fishing industry.
I wish greenpeace would do some homework,as scientists working alongside fisherman have proven that there are more cod in the sea this last couple of years than theres ever been!! dont stick your nose in whats nothing to do with you!!!
Green peace is a profit organization to collect money. They do not reveal the details of their expenditure. Do not donate any money to them. Give foods to the African children who are starving instead.
in my opinion you lot are bonkers!!! its the goverments job to allocate cod quotas and its the SFPA's job to police it!! and your bloody lucky that it wasn't the coastguards job to rescue you lot and the crew of a fishing boat after it got into difficulties because we had to take ovasive action to not hit your man in the water!!
very stupid, dangerous, childish and down right bonkers act to do and it has to stop before a crew is lost!!!
Your absolutely right that it is the goverment's job to allocate cod quotas, sundhamar. If only they would take responsibility. For the past 7 years the scientists who advise them on quotas advocated 'zero take' for North Sea cod (as stocks fell to only 70,000 tonnes - less than half the amount needed to ensure sustainability. That's why we were in the North Sea last year. If and when cod stocks recover to sustainable levels then we'll stop banging on about it, but until then...
Believe it or not, Greenpeace is trying to save your sorry ass by trying to preserve fish stocks so that Shetland fishermen have a livelihood for years to come, and the North Sea doesn't end up a graveyard like the Grand Banks (remember them?).
But hey, kill the messengers and ignore the truth they speak if you want. It's a free country.
The seal population had a lot more to do with the grand banks than the scientists would let on. Same is happening here, cull some seals-ok a lot of seals & the fish may survive. AS for trawlers, theres hardly any left in the UK
Seal and whale populations have coexisted with fish stocks for millions of years. We ourselves have been fishing for hundreds of thousands of years. Yet in the last 100 years since we adopted and perfected industrial fishing techniques 90% of of stocks of large predatory fish -- including tuna, swordfish, cod, and halibut -- have been fished out (source Myers RA & Worm B in Nature 423: 280--3, 2003). Coincedence?
The EU tried to ban cod fishing in 2004 but it never went ahead due to some money making politicians who would rather get rich now and exhaust the stocks than stop it for a few years then fish sustainably.
They wouldnt have had to stop in the first place if the quotas set by the EU had been what the scientists recommended according to the 50 years of study by ICES.
The EU was about to ban cod fishing in 2004 but was aborted due to some moneymen in politics who would rather make more money now and exhaust the fish stocks, rather than stop then fish sustainably. They wouldnt have had to stop at all if the quotas had been based on the scientists in the first place to keep stocks sustainable.
jumping in like that endangered the life of the skipper and crew,as he was trawling which doesent make it easy to alter course for some immiture man in the water,who thinks he knows what he is talking about.what did u expect the skipper to say "ok sorry i will stop fishing and go home with no money and not be able to pay my bills and lose my business". wisen up!!!!
ya bub well when you show up to go lobstering and these pepole stop you from goin cause they don't want us catching fish in our pots how happy are u gonna b standing on the warf with no pay check. oh ya probly don't matter to u cause u probly not supportin a famly. them guys on that boat just trying to make a liveing n u guys just can't leave them alone its no ure say it the goverments choice so till they do somethin leave the poor guys alone.
you say that draggers don't target cusk thats because dragers can't catch them so even if they did target them they wouldn't get none. and because of that the scientests think there is no cusk little do they know if they went to browns bank u get them hook for hook on long line gear . my point is that these guys got something to say bout everyting if it was up to them there would be no fishing at all bottom line. and u telling me i got to do reaserch i think u should do some of your own!!!!!!!!!
i aggree 100% i go longlineing if it was all hook n line it would b better off but like i say these men on that boat can't help that there trying to make a liveing
tbh, STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO thats the goverments job! cod isnt as endangered as the dodo is it! when it is COMPLAIN any way havn't scientists managed to GM cod any way? if i was the captain on that trawler i would have made a path towards the retard in th water! then he would be endangered
if we have closed areas and stop all fishing in the north sea who pays the bank loan on a million pound plus vessel who pays the crew and their bills such as feeding their family and keeping a roof over their heads a total ban may work quicker but it would wipe out whole towns and leave families on the street cod are recovering aswell as all other fish
Which people would those be - the ones who are destroying their own future livelihoods by fishing the North Sea into the ground? Or the ones who are trying to preserve a sustainable supply of fish for future generations?
we already have closed fishing areas in the north sea called oil and gas fields rovs working at well heads show alot of marine life exsists in these areas trawlers cant work everywhere like rough ground so these work as natural reserves as for discards these should be banned and the unmarketeble fish used as fish meal the sand eel fishery should be closed
We need protected areas - marine reserves - where all fishing and extractive industries are banned, to give stocks time to recover to truly sustainable levels. Young cod are suffering massively as bycatch victims (between 40-60% of all N Sea cod caught are thrown back as bycatch, that's the latest EU figure)- real-time closures can help, but are unlikely to go far enough, seantifish.
I strangely enough agree with you! But i dont agree with attacking the fisherman (metaphorically speaking) they're out there trying to make an honest living. you want to boycott people park a boat in front of parliament or number 10.
ices say cod are recovering in the north sea and could be at sustainable levels by 2009 meanwhile scottish fishermen are at the forefront of developing new ways to conserve cod including real time colsures of areas where small cod are found and also a new net which catches plentiful haddock and allows cod to escape go to brussels not the north sea were the good guys
It's true that ICES has issued their first non-zero recommendation for 7 years - set at 11,000 tonnes - once again it's ignored by the gov't who will allow 22,000 tonnes or more. remember that ICES say there needs to be at least 150,000 tonnes of spawning cod stock in the N Sea for sustainability. The fact they set a quota at all suggests the stock's recovered to this sort of level - but it's still not healthy - remember 25 years ago it was double that amount.
If fishermen carry on emptying the north sea at the current rate it's them who'll be out of a job - which is one of the things we're trying to prevent (along with the commercial destruction of
cod). Fascinated by your 'almost jobless trash' comment - been trying to work it out but no joy - about as meaningful as the rest of your comments.
Pitty they didn't suck the basterd into the thruster…
jat366 1 month ago
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HAIKU
I hatch! Crawl! And swim!
Oh how I love my sweet life,
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StephanieLisaTara 4 months ago
LOL THE SEA IS A BIG PLACE! THEY CAN JUST SAIL AROUND YOU!
WhitakerSJA 6 months ago
you twats trying to stop people fishing.....its their livlihood! your all just a bunch of treehugging twats.
WhitakerSJA 6 months ago
why would greenpeace post a video of them failing
afrankdapimp12 6 months ago
if i was the skipper i wuld have run them over.
fmxxx69 9 months ago
i work on a trawler and there is big fat cod every where ....... you cant help catching the things ! honestly
drummadai 9 months ago
Stop fishing easy for you to say, its how they make a living. Tell they buyers to stop buying problem solved.
shawnstam 10 months ago
greenpeace your using internal combustion engines on your boats FFS sort it out.
Casino127 11 months ago
i would have ran his ass over
goldminer27 11 months ago
Farm Raised Fish Suck!!
slbradley01 1 year ago
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@slbradley01 So you must think Alaska should sell their farmed salmon as farmed salmon?
Folkboat11 1 year ago
Too bad the trawler was out of idiot quota. Would have been an easy catch there.
nicecusk 1 year ago 2
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HIPPIES! Go get a real job.
HelloHansSolo 1 year ago
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joezef1987 1 year ago
Save the wild, eat farmed fish. Alaska farms 1.5 billion salmon a year to sustain their "wild salmon" fishery.
Folkboat11 1 year ago
@Folkboat11 Perhaps if a greater variety of fish were farmed, but until then....traditional fishing shall remain.
keysmmzero 1 year ago
With practically every boat on the ocean using modern GPS devices, I don't understand why it is so complicated to employ a simple system where fishing is allowed only within 10km longitudinal stripes... and fishing is banned within a 1km strip that separates each longitudinal stripe, or something simple like that?
wildwasser 1 year ago 2
@wildwasser they allready have that inforce. The sfpa can close an area down as big as 10 x 10 miles for 3 weeks. And they probably have 30 areas closed all the time ongoing. Theres alot greenpeace aint tellin ya.
baldycant11 3 months ago
@baldycant11 3 weeks... they need 3 years!
wildwasser 2 months ago
Why 3 years @wildwasser
baldycant11 2 months ago
Greenpeace would have more credibility if they would offer alternatives for employment rather then simply trying to kill an industry.
suds42 1 year ago
@suds42 they're actually trying to help an industry that is killing itself, greenpeace isn't killing the jobs. Marine reserves will increase the population of fish in the ocean, producing more fish to be caught by fishing boats.
wildwasser 1 year ago 2
Did it work?
MonkeyMoviesr 1 year ago
oooo that stop sign did a lot....
WhiteGangster400 1 year ago
The fishermen should pay no regard to these protestersm Greenpeace are just a bunch of arseholes out to make trouble for everyone else trying to make a living.
bochalsfriend 1 year ago
Greenpeace fools.
coldos 1 year ago
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jamesjwhalsa 1 year ago
greenpeace are a crowd of morons,these fishermen are only trying to make a living,if they sat down and spoke to the these men on the ground and got the real COD figures they might just find that fisherman want conservation not devastation,where are they'r sails and oars , bloody crusty college drop outs!
foxxsea 1 year ago 3
@foxxsea if the fishermen sat down with greenpeace they may actually learn how marine reserves can increase fish stocks... creating MORE jobs... who's the college dropout now?
wildwasser 1 year ago 3
Hey! I like codfish!!!
gatalhufo 1 year ago
Why does Greenpeace have a website and a Youtube account when the Internet contributes to high carbon emissions?
TheAMVV12 1 year ago 5
@TheAMVV12 Greenpeace UK's site is hosted on servers powered by renewable energy. This Youtube site is not, as far as I know. We are aware of the issue of high CO2 emissions from server farms, and are currently pushing Facebook to host their operations using renewable sources. Not ideal, but some progress is being made, and in terms of environmental damage, mass communication via the web is still far less intrusive than chopping down trees for paper etc.
GreenpeaceUK 1 year ago 3
@TheAMVV12 THEY JUST OWNED YOU!
TGiHoskins 7 months ago
i think its stupid how this page shows only the peacefull protests but if you look on youtube you will find all kinds of home made videos by fishermen wer protest ships try bored them or even ram other ships
adamuk161221 1 year ago
@adamuk161221 Greenpeace actions are never violent, adamuk161221, it's against our core principles - so if there are videos out there of the nature that you suggest they are in no way connected with us.
GreenpeaceUK 1 year ago
bt its the same research ship that has even been on tv
adamuk161221 1 year ago
@GreenpeaceUK Greenpeace actions often provoke violence.
keysmmzero 1 year ago
i don´t get why you are trying to stop us?? we have a legal quota on the fish and its all devided over the countrys.. and u don´t have to try stop us we will just sail u down XD we did it on viking bank a few years ago or allmost
Emulen2 2 years ago 2
Its no wonder the trawler refused to stop fishing. She was catching whiting off the coast of Shetland when you guys came along. The pair team you tried the same stunt with earlier that day had just steamed over 100miles from the Bergen Bank in the Norweigian sector in order to get away from Cod ....which is exactly what you are trying to promote, it would be nice for you to occasionally recognise the fact that all fishermen are not the greedy criminals you make them out to be.
captainwull 2 years ago 3
sorry , after the base their presumptions of fish populations, should be on landings, lol was thinking faster than my typing
strikenetter 2 years ago
Here in NC. all landings are recorded, have to be in order to sell them or for your seafood to be purchased, no under the table fishing here. Biologists base their presumptions of fish populations which is BS. Landings only tell you what has already been caught, not is out there for the taking. Biologist refrain from taking variable change into consideration on landings as well, weather, water temp, targeting of other species, all these factors have no account on population statistics, BS !
strikenetter 2 years ago
They need to ban Euro vessels from fishing, I hate how Spanish ships come up to the North Sea and trawl away, while UK fishermen watch their quotas constantly getting reduced (even though the N. Sea is our damned neighbourhood)!
cannonski 2 years ago
guess none of u eat store bought fish or fish in restaurants !
strikenetter 2 years ago
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sandwickman 2 years ago
Next time,show us you really care and jump out right in front of the moving vessel, and they will have to stop fishing for a bit while they untangle your remains from the props and the net.
dfarm123 2 years ago
what an idiot, leave uk the fisherman alone and target the real criminals.
sqt5 2 years ago
These are environmental criminals
wks1978 2 years ago
so are you (you probably drive a car producing CO2)
simontimon2 2 years ago
yes "cod are being fished to extinction"...thats why the EU has actually increased the cod quota in the N.Sea this year as a result of the Cod Recovery Scheme starting t work....and Greenpeace had nothin to do with any of this!!!!
trawlerman2007 2 years ago
Sadly, the EU are doing what they've done for the past decade - ignoring their own scientific advisors in favour of the demands of you guys. ICES advice for the 2009 season was - get this - NO cod should be caught. But instead the EU upped this year's cod quota by 30% - so when there are no north sea cod left for our kids to eat we'll know who to blame, won't we?
(The politicians, obviously... , not you guys :) )
Check the ICES site if you want to see their actual projected figures...
GreenpeaceUK 2 years ago
im sorry but wat r cods?
freebird199 2 years ago
nvm i know wat they are =P how do u get to work on one of ur vessels by the way?
freebird199 2 years ago
there isn't any problem with the cod and they aren't going to become extinct. green peace should stop interfering with tests of the interceptor missiles at vandenberg afb which is keeping us safe from missiles from north korea. without the missile shield, n. korea will eventually make a missile that works, and they will be happy to nuke us. green peace should stop getting in the way of tests of the system.
WaffleMaster4 2 years ago
I work in the regulation and control of fishing, and even we recognise that the ICES figures are utter rubbish. Yes they are a scientific body, but what you need to understand is where their figures are derived from. They get them from the amount of fish landed by the fishermen and declared to the authorities. Because they do not have the funding for a statistically significant discard monitoring programme the massive under-recording carried out by fisherman means that the figures are rubbish
gamfdhwk826t4 2 years ago
Yes indeed. IUU (Illegal, unrecorded and unregistered) fishing is a huge issue all over the world, including the N Sea. What's unbelievable is that even using the inaccurate figures which get declared, ICES scientists are still given enough casue for concern by the data to regularly recommend quota cuts to preserve vanishing fish stocks, and are STILL largely ignored or over-ruled by politicians scared of a backlash from fishermen.
GreenpeaceUK 2 years ago
A classic combination of greed and stupidity and fear which proves the old adage - something can be economically wrong, morally wrong and intellectually misguided, and yet it can be the preferred political solution.
Once the fish are all gone, who will the fishermen blame, you have to wonder - the politicians who accepted the fiddled figures and refused to enforce proper regulation, presumably?
GreenpeaceUK 2 years ago
Eco-Terrorists. Doing dangerous things rather than working on electing people to do the right thing.
RIPopperman 2 years ago
Let's face it, fishermen who take more than their quota and dump hundreds of tons of bycatch/discards in search of a quick buck are the real eco-terrorists here.
slowdazzles 2 years ago 2
I have to agree with the by-catch it's a shameful thing and all fishing should be hook and line.
RIPopperman 2 years ago
Hi Slowdazzles, going by that statement i take it you know nothing about fishing...no fisherman wants to dump fish it comes out of your pay packet doing that. when you shoot a net you do not know what is going to come up..if you haul the gear and get a bycatch you will move from that area..net full of small fish floats....and doesnt catch anything else...
gegs432 2 years ago
Hi gegs,
Hmmm... so what was the Shetland trawler Prolific up to when it was filmed by the Norwegian coastguards openly dumping 5,000 kg of white fish in UK N Sea waters last August, I wonder?
Discarding is a big problem - I know it's largely down to stupid EU rules, but fishermen who put quick profit above the long-term health of the N Sea have to take their share of the blame, I'm afraid.
slowdazzles 2 years ago
could the real eco-terrorists be seals.....estimated catch greater than the entire quota of the british fleet...
gegs432 2 years ago 3
er, the short answer is of course - no. I'm fascinated by this kind of twisted logic - the relationship between seals and fish is evolutionary , an equilibriun established over hundreds of thousands of years. Commercial overfishing, on the other hand, is probably about 80 years old. In that short time it's upset that natural balance because industrial processes mean we can strip the seas faster than they can replenish themselves.
We need marine reserves now, or you'll soon all be out of a job.
slowdazzles 2 years ago
Hi again, short answer for me is i left fishing 8 years ago completely saddened by what i saw ahead....and by what some other member states of this union describe as fishing. being fined for fishing with a larger mesh size than europe thought i should was probably the final nail for me. But we shouldn't put all fishermen in the same box, i made the decision to sell up at 33 and a lot of skippers of my age have done the same although some are leading the way ahead in fish management.
gegs432 2 years ago
unlike i may add...other countries of which i experienced first hand on the west coast of scotland and especially in the english channel where i repeatedly picked up dolphin remains from french pair teams.
gegs432 2 years ago
Yup, I've been out in the channel and seen the same thing myself - disgraceful. I'm sorry you were forced out of fishing - we need as many responsible fishermen as possible. I'm against destructive, industrial fishing, because of the disastrous consequences, but I have a lot of respect for the fishermen themselves - having seen you guys working at first hand, I know what a difficult and dangerous job it can be.
slowdazzles 2 years ago
Diffrerence is seals are part of nature. trawling is not
wks1978 2 years ago
i think attacking the lowest end of it with signs they will pobably just laugh at is pointless, the people on board the ship ae just working class people trying to scratch a living, they dont have a say in what goes on
broseph127 2 years ago
there are so many professions in the world. who forced them to work in an industry that is endangering ocean populations? do you know what few fishermen did at my dockyard? sold their boats and bought land to grow fruits and veggies. maybe if westerners wouldnt be buying more than they can afford, they could easily change their workplace instead of being slaves to banks, mortgage and car sellers.
HolySpringRolls 2 years ago
cod and chips 3 times please
rwbope 2 years ago
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GavinS1965 2 years ago
Greenpeace are a disgrace
zoch78 2 years ago 2
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mowat9269 2 years ago
being a fisherman myself i would not have much sypathy for the clown who jumped into the sea if he was dragged under by 1 of the wires.what an idiotic thing to do.
matty1903 2 years ago 2
How utterly pointless, stupid and dangerous, now what would have happened if that activist had died, who would have been responsible. I am sure there must be more constructive ways of protesting than this hair brained scheme, sadly I bet the trlewr crew could hardly do thier job for laughing, a stop sign in the middle of the ocean, its amusing if nothing else.
ukchris64 3 years ago
Surely the most constructive approach here is not to drop some poor twit in the middle of the ocean in front of a large trawler with nets out. In a way I agree with rgp2130 that at least it is keeping us laughing.
Sustainable fishing practices must be established to allow the next generations to enjoy fresh fish from a stable stock. GP are not adding any value to this process only reducing their credibility with antics like these.
A little common sense goes a long way.
BuoyzToyz 3 years ago
Who do you think knows best in this situation fishermen who have been at sea catching fish for over 30 odd years or scientists who have probably only been out to sea a couple of times? Obviously fishermen who have been through the rise and fall of cod stocks and they say that there is more cod in the sea than years before, and because of quotas most of it is going back into the sea DEAD! what use is that? best thing gp can do is to go on trawlers and see for themselves how much cod there is
darthu812 3 years ago 4
ICES scientists base their quota recommendations on figures supplied by fishermen - and they have no interest in putting you out of business (neither does Greenpeace). In fact the exact opposite is true - they are trying to secure sustainable fish stocks to keep your fishing industry alive. We should all be working together to achieve this. Putting short-term profits before the long-term health of your catch is the quickest way to put yourselves out of business. But you already know this...
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
greenpeace are trying to secure sustainable fish stocks to keep your fishing industry alive.... what alot of SHITE,BULLOCKS
iirvine80 3 years ago 2
Bullocks or not, fishermen do need fish. Sanctuaries will help secure those.
And as for this protest being pointless: I believe it is meant to be symbolic. We watch it; we start talking.
Seems to be working quite well.
odernichtja 2 years ago 10
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marcusmac1608 3 years ago
yoo shood dyeen actually dyeen af we a trawler un see foo much fish is dyitting dumped ower da side mistlsy cod
jameswhalsa 3 years ago
????
motherlodeuk 3 years ago
tow over him r her see if they no howmany boxes are in the codend ha ha
antgreen1 3 years ago
Ho ho ho - must be fun being a psychopath
motherlodeuk 3 years ago
haha, nothing better than a big lift o green!
hahaahaha!
marcusmac1608 3 years ago
greenpeace are alot of spastics fishermen are having to dump perfectly good dead marktable fish back into the sea because you have no fucking brains. that retard that jumped into the water in the video was endengaring their own life and stopping them from their work. they have rights to fish. if i was that skiper i would have just run that spastict over.FUCK YOU
iirvine80 3 years ago
Hey Iirvine80, two points:
1)dumping fish at sea is a product of the Common Fisheries policy and greedy fishermen trying to increase the value of their catch - nothing at all to do with Greenpeace.
2)your own words condemn you as an illiterate, violent asshole.
motherlodeuk 3 years ago
I agree with you!!!
they are a lot of crazy stupid politico-ecolo, full of a great non sence
Hard way to be a fishermann today...
thefashionboy253 3 years ago
Now now gents, not everything GP does is bad, i mean take a look at this video for example, they try to enlighten us with humour, the humour being that they dropped that swimmer off on the port side of the trawler and he looked like a floating embaressment to his institution in the cold sea with this lollipop stop sign. Well done GP, keep us laughing.
rgp2130 3 years ago
its seems to a perfect indication of greenpeace's militant attitudes these days
"the post will be removed and you'll be blocked."
Clearly they have a problem with differing opinions to their own rather polarised view of things
seems just a pointless stunt to me
If you want to change the way cod is caught, you should look to brussels, But thats perhaps too democratic a way to bring about change, or do you just want to bully the easy targets??
ebgbnet 3 years ago
We have no problem with listening to alternate points of view, as a quick trawl (pun intended) through these comments will quickly testify. But like most reasonable people we do have a problem with mindless, violent abuse and death threats, and will continue to delete them as and when they occur.
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
Totally support some of the work done by greenpeace but this is crazy. Which idiot thought this would stop a trawler of fishermen out to earn a living. Continue focussing your efforts on something which may have a chance of making a positive change in the world and stop pratting about.
garethcarr 3 years ago
By all means have your say, but don't just post mindless abuse or, as muckchuck just found out, the post will be removed and you'll be blocked.
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
For a trawler too work in the norweigan sector must have 120mm codend mesh size or more, therefore undersize cod can escape.
so the norweigan coastgaurd or you is full of shit.
No one knows how fish work and migrate. Tide, moon and weather are all took into factor. Scientists have been proven wrong before... think about it. You cant exactly work out how much tons of fish are in the sea. What type of fuel does your boat use and how much litres per day?
muckchuck69 3 years ago
Hmm, impartial scientists or a paranoid fisherman - wonder who's more likely to be telling the truth?
motherlodeuk 3 years ago
1/ the facts are there greenpeace. the prolific dumped 5 tonnes back in the sea = there are plenty cod
2/ If you look back to your previous argument with davie tait, you will see the cod stocks supposedly had fallen less than 50 % ties in with the tows being cut from 1 hour to 30 mins
3/ And for your argument on destruction of the sea bed.... shite. the sea bed is layered with sand or mud. easily repeared with tide and bad weather. and the retard in the water. i wid run the bastard doon.
muckchuck69 3 years ago 2
5 tonnes of undersized cod and saith was the Norwegian coastguard's opinion, which the Prolific dumped to go after a more high value catch - more like chasing a quick buck than responsible behaviour to me. As to the amount of cod in the N Sea, you talk as though we're inventing a problem just to annoy you. The figures we use come from ICES, the scientists used by the EU to set quotas (which then get ignored). And sorry, but bottom trawling trashes the sea bed - fact. Check the science.
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
WRONG , sorry but I was a scientist for 9 years you have NOT been a scientist. Greenpeace do NO research work of their own and cherry pick / manipulate statistics data from the ICES output which is heavily filled with people with an agenda that is NOT scientific. Do you think anyone from a national Lab goes to ICES without following the governmental line especially when those governments are propped up by "green" parties ??
DavieTait 3 years ago
portboy 123 u know nuthin u wanker
IxIxryanseanxIxI 3 years ago
Anyone who's spent any time at sea should have the greatest respect for the difficult and dangerous job fishermen do - there aren't many harder ways to earn a living. But modern trawl methods are so advanced that they're wiping out whole swaithes of ocean life which is not being replaced - sometimes dumping thousands of dead fish because they think they can net a more profitable catch later in their trip...
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
This is partly down to dumb EU fishing policies and partly, I'm sorry to say, down to greed. A good example is the Shetland trawler Prolific, who's crew were recently filmed dumping 5 tonnes of white fish (cod and saithe) - it's crazy but unbelievably NOT illegal. You can see for yourself by going to the Greenpeace UK site and typic 'prolific' into the search box.
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
green peace are losers
levistef 3 years ago
i laugh every time a trawler goes down,goddam rapists of the seas,they deserve everything they get,get a real job
portboy123 3 years ago
u really dont no what your talking about, people like you should be shot!
fishermenbrax2008 3 years ago 2
portboy one word....FUD
gegs432 3 years ago
We are here because of nature, its not here because of us, good way of showing respect, greenpeace are trying to help. argue against helping another living thing you've just identified youself as the bad guy, everyone just rolls over these days "OH thats just how it is" noone thinks this is how its gonna be if we can't change "Its not that people cant change they don't change". I'm here to help the natural world, humans are special the guardians of the planet I know where I'm from DO YOU
garbageday99 3 years ago
I think what you did here is ridculeous because at the end of the day these fishermen are just trying to make a living. Let me tell you something, do you drive a car? In my opinion we should be worrying more about alternate energy and reducing our dependancy on fossil fuels than how much goddamn fish are in the waters. I dont think it was fair for you to put the fishermen in that position after all its not their fault. Why not chain yourself to westminster or something.
Firefighter911 3 years ago
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Thanks for your comment. For the record, Greenpeace is devoting most of its resources exactly as you suggest - on climate change and reducing CO2 emissions. But overfishing is a huge and serious issue too, with massive implications both for feeding the world's population and maintaining biodiversity.
Right now the fish you and I grew up eating like cod, tuna, haddock etc, are being overfished to the point of commercial extinction (ie their numbers are being reduced by up to 90%)...
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
... within 30 years. If we want to eat affordable seafood (& to have a fishing industry) over the next decades we have to to replace these stocks. So we're pushing for marine reserves (national parks at sea off limits to fishing) to allow stocks to recover. Long-term, this is the only solution which will guarantee both a sustainable supply of seafood and a future for our fishing industry. Fishermen know that they're chasing declining stocks - all the available scientific data confirms this.
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
I know this is an emotive issue folks, but just to remind you that while we welcome fair comment, we do reserve the right do delete violent and abusive posts. If that's what it takes to make your point - that point probably isn't worth making...
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
what a idiot
foxcaves 3 years ago 2
Strangely enough, that's exactly what I thought when I read your comment...
lode99 3 years ago
the actions of this irresponsible group put lives at risk not just there own this is not there first time do they really think fishermen want to plunder the sea to extinction we have had many rules and regulations forced upn us from governments that have not had the decency to hold there hands up and say no we have go it wrong
jammy808 3 years ago
That is the most stupid thing i have seen on youtube,and thats saying something!what a nutter.
ruledaz 3 years ago
i don't see too many comment in favour of you're campaign, your actions were stupid and irresponsible to say the least! instead of believing all Greenpeaces propaganda, i ask you guys to educate yourselfs!! the fishermen endured years of quota restrictions and area colsures to ensure a sustainable future for themselves and the generations to come!!! Actons which place the live of your "activists" and fishermen in danger shoud be severely punished!! Shame on you!!
kallys4 3 years ago 3
Green Peace Should Get a Life and let the Fisherman Make a Living.Try to stop the Global Warming or some other cause.I say again get a life .
EVENGER6 3 years ago 10
How are we suppose to feed the enormous world population?
garbon2535 3 years ago
sustainably, if we keep catching fish by such methods as beam trawling and causing our fish to go to extinction we will have no fish left for our popultaion! Greenpeace are making sure we do have fish to eat!
hippiebridle 3 years ago
Other organizations are doing the same thing and they are not interfering with people's livelyhoods.
greenpeaceUS 3 years ago
can you explain more on the damage that beam trawling causes?
gegs432 3 years ago
Do Greenpeace erase All messages opposing thier cause?... Or just mine??
GeorgeTownsend 3 years ago
Just the abusive ones, George.
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
The rachopenshaw comment was me down at a mates house.
I firmly believe that if the scientists went back to 1hr tows they would find that their estimates on Cod , Haddock and Saithe were woefully under the true levels on the grounds.
Anyone who blindly accepts the Greenpeace spin on the figures has my pity , as someone who has been at the job as a fisherman and scientist i'm too cynical to accept anything without double/triple checking it for myself
DavieTait 3 years ago
greenpeace have the public believing everything they say. in a blind world the one eyed man is king the public are blind in knowledge and GP are the able to tell them anything they want
seantifish 3 years ago
Nonsense - Greenpeace offices publish their annual reports and accounts, which give details of income and expenditure, in exactly the same way as other companies and NGOs. You can download the latest overall figures from the Greenpeace International website (international/press/reports/annual-report-06).
GreenpeaceUK 3 years ago
I hve also heard of green peace trying to delibrately damage trawlers nets in the english channel,to me this is a criminal offence as it is damage of property.how you get off with that is disgraceful.what do u suggest the boats do,stop fishing and be out of work and not be able to pay bills,i can see you havent thought this through!!!!
chaz69ers 4 years ago 6
For the first time, scientists have compiled a comprehensive map of the oceans showing the extent to which they have been damaged by man. The map integrates 17 different kinds of human activity including destructive fishing, pollution and climate change to study which parts of the marine environment have suffered most. They found more than 40% of the oceans bear the scars of serious environmental degradation and that only 4% have remained as pristine regions free of human influence.
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
And close to the top of the worst affected areas is our very own North Sea. Check out the map on the GPUK site at: blog/oceans/dead-seas-human-activities-are-killing-off-the-o ceans20080215
This has just been published in the 'Science' journal and represents years of research by reputable scientists with no particular axe to grind. Like to tell us why you know better, Davie Tait?
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
The BIGGEST proble that Greenpeace has is that it does absolutely NO RESEARCH of they're own to back up they're figures. They have never done groundfish trawl surveys ( the ONLY way to estimate young fish entering the fishery ) , never been out on fishing boats to do discard surveys ( and will never get due to their attitudes ) and pick out figures from stats very very selectively. How do I know this , i'm an ex-commercial fisherman AND ex-Fishery Scientist
DavieTait 4 years ago
As an ex fishery scientist you'll be aware that ICES conduct the most thourough analysis of the state of fish stocks, and they recommended no take of cod from the North Sea between 2000-2007 because stocks had fallen to less than half the amount required for sustainable fishing to take place - and yet because of politcal expedience fishing has continued regardless.
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
I'm afraid that ICES "research" has been fundamentally flawed for decades. For almost 100 years the Marine Lab did 1hr tows in the Research Surveys then in 1998 when the new FRV Scotia came into service they dropped to 30mins per tow,I did the comparison trip and they did NOT catch 50% of the bulk nor all of the species.Cod and Saithe need to tire before they fall back into a net and 30mins is NOT long enough. ICES is packed with people who think stopping fishing means more money for "research"
DavieTait 4 years ago 3
Nice one Davie, those twits at Greenpeace-if they tell a lie often enough-people will believe it fact. or not !!
WK197 3 years ago 2
I say it as i've seen and worked at it WK197 , there is more Cod in the North Sea than in the last 25 years. Boats have been steaming up to 200 miles just to get away from them so they can catch Haddocks.
rachopenshaw 3 years ago 3
Read Charles Clover's book 'end of the line' - he's certainly no 'trendy-lefty' and he's massively critical of the short-term way the seas are being plundered - as should anyone be who cares about the long term future of the fishing industry.
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
I wish greenpeace would do some homework,as scientists working alongside fisherman have proven that there are more cod in the sea this last couple of years than theres ever been!! dont stick your nose in whats nothing to do with you!!!
chaz69ers 4 years ago 5
Green peace is a profit organization to collect money. They do not reveal the details of their expenditure. Do not donate any money to them. Give foods to the African children who are starving instead.
chinese5angel 4 years ago 2
in my opinion you lot are bonkers!!! its the goverments job to allocate cod quotas and its the SFPA's job to police it!! and your bloody lucky that it wasn't the coastguards job to rescue you lot and the crew of a fishing boat after it got into difficulties because we had to take ovasive action to not hit your man in the water!!
very stupid, dangerous, childish and down right bonkers act to do and it has to stop before a crew is lost!!!
sundhamar 4 years ago 2
Your absolutely right that it is the goverment's job to allocate cod quotas, sundhamar. If only they would take responsibility. For the past 7 years the scientists who advise them on quotas advocated 'zero take' for North Sea cod (as stocks fell to only 70,000 tonnes - less than half the amount needed to ensure sustainability. That's why we were in the North Sea last year. If and when cod stocks recover to sustainable levels then we'll stop banging on about it, but until then...
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
Believe it or not, Greenpeace is trying to save your sorry ass by trying to preserve fish stocks so that Shetland fishermen have a livelihood for years to come, and the North Sea doesn't end up a graveyard like the Grand Banks (remember them?).
But hey, kill the messengers and ignore the truth they speak if you want. It's a free country.
motherlodeuk 4 years ago
The seal population had a lot more to do with the grand banks than the scientists would let on. Same is happening here, cull some seals-ok a lot of seals & the fish may survive. AS for trawlers, theres hardly any left in the UK
WK197 3 years ago 2
Seal and whale populations have coexisted with fish stocks for millions of years. We ourselves have been fishing for hundreds of thousands of years. Yet in the last 100 years since we adopted and perfected industrial fishing techniques 90% of of stocks of large predatory fish -- including tuna, swordfish, cod, and halibut -- have been fished out (source Myers RA & Worm B in Nature 423: 280--3, 2003). Coincedence?
motherlodeuk 3 years ago
The EU tried to ban cod fishing in 2004 but it never went ahead due to some money making politicians who would rather get rich now and exhaust the stocks than stop it for a few years then fish sustainably.
They wouldnt have had to stop in the first place if the quotas set by the EU had been what the scientists recommended according to the 50 years of study by ICES.
danicawill1 4 years ago
The EU was about to ban cod fishing in 2004 but was aborted due to some moneymen in politics who would rather make more money now and exhaust the fish stocks, rather than stop then fish sustainably. They wouldnt have had to stop at all if the quotas had been based on the scientists in the first place to keep stocks sustainable.
danicawill1 4 years ago
jumping in like that endangered the life of the skipper and crew,as he was trawling which doesent make it easy to alter course for some immiture man in the water,who thinks he knows what he is talking about.what did u expect the skipper to say "ok sorry i will stop fishing and go home with no money and not be able to pay my bills and lose my business". wisen up!!!!
chaz69ers 4 years ago 2
afsgiete die lui
vismijn 4 years ago
keep up the good work guys and gals
MrEngland2u2 4 years ago
Just a reminder that abusive and offensive posts will be removed - so keep it clean(ish) if you don't want it deleted.
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
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zcr19 4 years ago
ya bub well when you show up to go lobstering and these pepole stop you from goin cause they don't want us catching fish in our pots how happy are u gonna b standing on the warf with no pay check. oh ya probly don't matter to u cause u probly not supportin a famly. them guys on that boat just trying to make a liveing n u guys just can't leave them alone its no ure say it the goverments choice so till they do somethin leave the poor guys alone.
902davroyal 3 years ago
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zcr19 3 years ago
ya well there trying to close certan areas for lobstering because they don't want us catching cusk in our pots and i know u can't keep the cod fish
902davroyal 3 years ago
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zcr19 3 years ago
you say that draggers don't target cusk thats because dragers can't catch them so even if they did target them they wouldn't get none. and because of that the scientests think there is no cusk little do they know if they went to browns bank u get them hook for hook on long line gear . my point is that these guys got something to say bout everyting if it was up to them there would be no fishing at all bottom line. and u telling me i got to do reaserch i think u should do some of your own!!!!!!!!!
902davroyal 3 years ago
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zcr19 3 years ago
i aggree 100% i go longlineing if it was all hook n line it would b better off but like i say these men on that boat can't help that there trying to make a liveing
902davroyal 3 years ago
get your facts right theres proven to be more cod this year than theres ever been,to me thats a stupid man attention seeking!
chaz69ers 4 years ago
tbh, STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO thats the goverments job! cod isnt as endangered as the dodo is it! when it is COMPLAIN any way havn't scientists managed to GM cod any way? if i was the captain on that trawler i would have made a path towards the retard in th water! then he would be endangered
Brain726 4 years ago 5
if we have closed areas and stop all fishing in the north sea who pays the bank loan on a million pound plus vessel who pays the crew and their bills such as feeding their family and keeping a roof over their heads a total ban may work quicker but it would wipe out whole towns and leave families on the street cod are recovering aswell as all other fish
seantifish 4 years ago
I wonder how they know it is a Cod Trawler? not just a trawler.
gegs432 4 years ago
the thing is and i know this cos i fish cod but if green peace stops letting people fish they will have no livlyhood
texasman562 4 years ago
these people have lost their mind!
osueet 4 years ago
Which people would those be - the ones who are destroying their own future livelihoods by fishing the North Sea into the ground? Or the ones who are trying to preserve a sustainable supply of fish for future generations?
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
Why are they fishing? To feed people!! This really makes Greenpeace zealouts look embarrisingly stupid.
osueet 4 years ago
we already have closed fishing areas in the north sea called oil and gas fields rovs working at well heads show alot of marine life exsists in these areas trawlers cant work everywhere like rough ground so these work as natural reserves as for discards these should be banned and the unmarketeble fish used as fish meal the sand eel fishery should be closed
seantifish 4 years ago
fools
kristoff3r92 4 years ago
wat about recreational fishing?? do u disagree with that aswell
2k7forlife 4 years ago
We need protected areas - marine reserves - where all fishing and extractive industries are banned, to give stocks time to recover to truly sustainable levels. Young cod are suffering massively as bycatch victims (between 40-60% of all N Sea cod caught are thrown back as bycatch, that's the latest EU figure)- real-time closures can help, but are unlikely to go far enough, seantifish.
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
I strangely enough agree with you! But i dont agree with attacking the fisherman (metaphorically speaking) they're out there trying to make an honest living. you want to boycott people park a boat in front of parliament or number 10.
just my opinion no offence intended.
dougpeerless 4 years ago
ices say cod are recovering in the north sea and could be at sustainable levels by 2009 meanwhile scottish fishermen are at the forefront of developing new ways to conserve cod including real time colsures of areas where small cod are found and also a new net which catches plentiful haddock and allows cod to escape go to brussels not the north sea were the good guys
seantifish 4 years ago
It's true that ICES has issued their first non-zero recommendation for 7 years - set at 11,000 tonnes - once again it's ignored by the gov't who will allow 22,000 tonnes or more. remember that ICES say there needs to be at least 150,000 tonnes of spawning cod stock in the N Sea for sustainability. The fact they set a quota at all suggests the stock's recovered to this sort of level - but it's still not healthy - remember 25 years ago it was double that amount.
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
If fishermen carry on emptying the north sea at the current rate it's them who'll be out of a job - which is one of the things we're trying to prevent (along with the commercial destruction of
cod). Fascinated by your 'almost jobless trash' comment - been trying to work it out but no joy - about as meaningful as the rest of your comments.
GreenpeaceUK 4 years ago
Plus bete que tu meur
christopheacer50 4 years ago
did you really