And this is why I hate Christians. They're fucking hypocrites. If there IS a God, he's probably shaking his head in shame at these fuckwits.
Lol at the "Religious, African-American community". Since when do religious people consider black people equals? Last I heard, they were primary slave traders.
Loving it. Although the right of free speech quite oftenly goes hand in hand with people protesting it its all relatively pointless to argue about it because like the reporter said it's only going to be up for a month so shut up and move on with your lives.
These black christians only need to be reminded how "white christians" justified slavery just a few hundred years ago, with their bible. How ironic that they still follow the religion of their white masters.
As an optimistic atheist I hope that one day in the future the world will look at this post and laugh their guts up and say surely we were not that stupid and brainwashed! Yep we were!!
So... they're allowed to put up signs telling us we're going to "go to hell" if we don't join their religion, but atheists aren't allowed to put up a sign to confort closeted atheists? WTF?!!! I'm sorry, but that logic is REALLY SCREWED UP!!!
@aajoeyjo I hear you bro, I started out more of a "live and let live" non-believer.
But the more i run into people who claim divine order to take offense at my very existence the more i feel a need to be assertive at the first sign of theist hate
@skycomet19 That is why we have freedom of speech. If atheist want to put a billboard that is not obscene does not advocate violence or the overthrow of the government and they can pay for it I say let them.
Okay, #1, you're not spiritual. You're religious. #2, who cares if it offends you? No one has the right not to be offended. They don't seem to grasp the concept of free speech for EVERYONE. Jackasses. You can tell "big mama" I said so.
True, but in the same sense, everyone also has the right to act on their offense. If the community doesn't want a sign there then they are allowed to protest. Just because we might endorse one side or the other doesn't mean we have the right to tell the other side to 'shut up and deal with it'. Freedom of speech is, after all, for everyone.
I don't think they should "shut up and deal with it". They can protest all they like. They should just know it's not coming down because that would be telling the Free Thought group to "shut up and deal with it".
Them saying "the sign need to come down because we don't like it" is just asinine.
That's how they contradicted themselves though. In demanding that the sign be taken down, they were trying to speak out!....to stop someone else from speaking out.
In reality they're only for their own free speech, obviously. That's really not so "free," isn't it?
why does a random small local station have a british reporter? well anyway. Thatz sign need to come down! In DA Name of JEzuz! Wait? not in the name of baal?
Praise God!!! I stopped seeing my doctor, once I read that Jesus taught that demons cause diseases!! Now I'm looking for an exorcist. Can someone recommend a practitioner?
Free passes will be given out at our Traveling Temple of the Sheep
Exorcism is our specialty.
Slap you in the forehead until you see the stars of David, and you'll go into seizures that should make your wallet/loose change drop right out of your pocket.
Why, it's a miracle!!
Flick some Devil be Gone holy water into your eyes, and Sha-ZAM!! In the Name of the Lord, rickytickytavi....umumu shumumu bemumu...you are good to go, child!!
This country is covered from sea to shining sea with endorsements of religion (mostly Christianity), but one mildly stated billboard giving a different view, and these people seem to think they're being oppressed. Babies. Bratty babies.
In a place as religious and conservative as Florida, it's impossible to put up an atheist message anywhere where it won't offend some theists. So no billboards for FL atheists, I guess! Sorry, you need to go to some other state to express yourselves.
These Christians are indistinguishable from frothy mouthed, bearded Muslims. To them, the mere existence of "others" is unwelcome. Who cares what business in next door? Or that their are religious people nearby? Or what colour their skin is?
These people are just intolerant, uneducated, religious hypocrites, brain-washing children. There's no "controversy", just a bunch of intolerance.
The last man interviewed is the only intelligent one in the article. Women and blacks, indeed.
Those poor christians, having to put up with such preachy, know-it-all atheists. God forbid secularists would actually find support from each other. What if they build a temple to intelligence and free inquiry? Before you know it they'll have their tentacles in government, they'll be going to other countries to convert the innocent, and they'll start making our children chant in the street. It all starts with a sign. RELIGION IS CHILD ABUSE!!!
There should be more signs like this. It's about time people started standing up to the potentially violent and completely irrational religious, they're no better than anyone else, they don't think for themselves, they think that god will do everything for them, no, he's a character in a book! To make things happen you need hard work and free thought that is what affords you a great life! Get a good, solid, fact-based education and you'll be able to make positive decisions for your life.
Why is this Big Mama so upset about such an innocent billboard?
You dont need a God to be a good person. In fact, a very large percentage of the religious population is prejudiced, racist and intolerant, among other things. For many of you religious folk, believing in a God does not make you a good person, it makes you a hypocrite. Some of you may have good intentions, but most of you are just plain ignorant. Be a good person without the BS story of a God. Try it! Youll feel better.
That was rather fascinating...completely nutz but interesting none the less. I find ignorance to be offensive...so what does one do about that? Why should I or anyone be forced to endure the predjudice of the religious? I figure they get whole channels on TV to spread theiir "good" word so whats wrong with one little billboard? The only solution I see is education...it's difficult to retain the fantasies of childhood when confronted with the realities of science. We all have to grow up sometime!
Blacks are so ignorant...well most are.. I have very open minded black friends some atheist and some christians. The Christians accepted me for who I am but their people just discriminate and then whine about their discrimination. Atheists have taken crap not only by whites and blacks...but by all religions. which is about 70+% of the population of earth...
good thing they're protesting. more publicity! :) the billboard now reached the whole world via news and the internet, instead of just that community! :)
Fucking votebots, religion is for idiots who cant get over the fact that they are dead when they are dead, game over and their life wasted... and they make life harder for so many.....
What is so controversial? YOU can in fact, be a good person without a belief in god.
Let us all stop being divided by politics, propoganda and yes, religion.
Btw, I ran across this in the Bible and I couldn't believe what I was reading:
Matthew 10: 34-38
Advocating these scriptures is horrible, b/c it's psychological abuse. We need to "THINK" and realize that dividision causes strife. We must not be divided because together, we can make the change we need to in the world.
as a Christian, an American, and probably the most mature and level headed person (thanks to my being raised to think and look at every religion and see things through every person's eyes, thanks Dad!) i do agree with the sign! not every good person is a christian! as Americans, we can not protest the sign! everyone has a right to speak (and show) their opinion! as Christians, we should not argue about the sign... it really doesn't make those who do not believe in God rethink their beliefs.
SayYesToReason - I hear ya, but it's important to note that they we didn't "pick" him. He stepped up to the challenge all by himself.
We need do-ers in our movement, and since it's a socially risky endeavor, few rise to the calling. They rise on their own too, without a need for any governing body or extensive training effort.
We don't have enough activists to be able to pick and choose which ones get on tv. Hey maybe that's why I got on tv so many times! lolol :o)
So I guess the black preacher was against the first ammendment. If you don't want the billboard then buyout the group, you can't trample the constitution because something makes you sad
Who honestly looks like the enemy in this video? The atheist man is calm, reasonable, and understanding.
Whereas the people against the sign have nothing better to contribute but "WE NEED DIS SIGN DOWN IN DA NAME O JESUS!!!!!"
A respectable Christian would simply smirk at the sign and walk away with confidence in their faith. But, alas, their only reaction is hostility and anger.
hey aajoeyjo, we'll do our best to get your ratings back up. Keep fighting the good fight. Slowly but surely reason, logic and rationality is making its way into the realm of superstition.
Fuck. "Big Mama" needs to learn the meaning of free speech. Those poor kids standing there shouting that don't even realize that the free speech they're using to protest is the same free speech that allows that sign to stand.
OH MY! Even BIG MOMMA HERSELF?!?! America is a fuckin joke of a nation and a disgrace to all great civilizations. I support the billboard and all people who have some sense in their heads.
Oh come now. There's still hope for America, even if its people are largely uneducated, bible-thumping bigots who don't know the true meaning of freedom.
I think this recent election is a sign that the tides are turning.
Your comment proves there is no hope. You like many other sheep are misled thinking that Obama is a sign of 'change.' Political correctness and lack of research has clearly clouded your judgment. Obama is just as worse than Bush and time will tell if he turns out to be even worse. So far he's leading this country into another Great Depression. Basic knowledge of economics and our current debt level will help you understand the reasons why.
Lol, "just as worse than". I know it's just a typo, but it's funny.
Okay, I'm not a sheep, and what does political correctness have to do with anything? The fact that most of America wants people (not just Obama, btw) more enlightened than Bush and his band of republicunts in office IS a sign that America is headed in a better direction.
Also, I'm sure most people in office have more than basic knowledge of economics and they seem to disagree with you.
Oh yes, the media loves big Black women. They are loud, have charisma, certainly don't have any problem talking on video, and they appeal to the common man, i.e., the low class. Here ya go! She makes me want to purge my brain with some Dawkins.
Notice that Big Mama's faith is so shakey that she's scared of a billboard.
Notice, they have a problem with it, but not specifically. What exactly is their problem with it? Have they read it? Do they see God, and then protest if it isn't a pro-God billboard? They're making themselves look infantile and ridiculous.
Thanks to all of you for your support and nice comments, we will try to keep the campaign going by moving the billboard to a different location, a newspaper ad and radio commercials...all depending on funds...If you do donate to help us, remember that it is a tax deduction,we are a 501(c)3
So...it's ok to put crosses everywhere, religious signs, bible preach in the streets, have TONS of religious billboards such as the "I'll forgive you...God", flyers about endtimes, morons...I mean mormons out on bikes annoying people like used car salesmen, signs on buses, etc...but one little atheistic billboard and everyone protests....what a bunch of religious hypocrites.
Christians are so afraid that they are wrong. People still have the idea in their head that there's something wrong with not having imaginary friends. I am living in crazy topsy turby world.
They are allowed to have thousands of churches where people pay money to be lied to yet atheists can't have one sign in the entire state of florida. Pardon me, stupid Christians, but this is America and America is a secular nation. If you don't like it, you can move to England where they have state sponsored christianity.
These "Good Christians" have no problem lying through their teeth! There is NOOOOO Way they are losing Business because of this. They are "Bearing False Witness" as an excuse to complain. How Typical! Lying in the Name of Jesus! Stealing in the name of Jesus! Killing In the name of Jesus! Being a BIGOT In The Name Of Jesus!
I do appreciate Big Mama for giving this billboard, that local Atheist group, and the entire Atheist movement all this attention, leading to all this publicity.
It cost a lot of money for the billboard, but the media publicity is worth ten times that much, if you ask me.
It seems more like an outreach to me. The use of "recruitment" by the newscaster seems to be calculated to imply that atheists are trying to "deconvert/subvert thechildren". It just comes across as a ridiculous scare tactic.
In a way it is simply enticing(sp) people to come out of the closet..
However, they would probably visit that website. in that web site they probably will tell them how to become more active/donate and asking them to become a member of their activist site..
I'm not speaking to the intent of the billboard rather to the intent of the newscasters by using the term "recruitment", which I see as calculatedly provocative.
I like the idea of recruitment, if it means that those who are recruited will become active at helping the movement.
Churches just want warm bodies in the pews, and unquestioning providers of donations. So when they "recruit," it seems slightly immoral...because they do immoral things with their people.
In Atheist groups, you can just pay your membership dues, keep up with the movement, and occasionally attend an Atheist event. We don't have brainwashing sessions or committments.
just a thought, im not condoning vandalism but hypothetically. If someone graffitied the sign by putting just the words "IF YOU" before "Don't believe in god" would as many religious people be upset and would that change the meaning.
im aware that the sign is designed to provoke people and it helps raise the public profile.
I don't think it's designed to provoke people, other than to provoke Atheists to join that group. They were careful not to put a harsh negative message there.
It's so easy to insult religious people just by talking about their religion, so yes, the message could've been much more "offensive."
I think a simple "I disagree with this sign and in no way endorse it" would've sufficed.
And if she really felt strongly about it, she should've erected a sign of her own, on her OWN property.. Stating her counter opinion.. Maybe a "A fool hath said in his heart there is no god" verse..
sidenote:It is HAAARD to believe that people honestly believed that the barber shop put up the atheist sign.
That seemed like she was aiming for empathy there, and it ALMOST worked.
Apparently the patrons who are avoiding that business are religious people. This is the fault of religious people. They boycott their own out of misplaced anger.
I think the color scheme must've been chosen for ease of visibility. It has to be easy to read from a great distance, and bright colors catch the eye. Even if they don't soothe the eye, they catch it. That's all that really counts.
Dood - relax - You're not good looking enough to stalk. No - c'mon - you and I are obviously going to have interest in common videos because of their subjects. I just happened to notice your comment on this one, and wondered if you thought Brock was a fool too...
wow, it just irks the shit out of you , well these people are fools because they seem to think that god runs their town, can't have any new ideas or that the people who live among them might not all be christian. i love the atheist sign. i do think it was ill placed, but hey i didn't put it there.
and yes i am good looking enough to stalk, how dare you.
No - I could care less about the sign - it is just stupid. It is your characterization of other humans as "fools" because you disagree with them. Not to get all Biblical on your ass - but if I were you - I'd be careful...
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou FOOL, shall be in danger of hell fire.
I don't think the message in this billboard implies that someone is a fool for disagreeing with us. To me it's good news: Humans aren't as dependent as some people say.
But really if we have to tread lightly because of the religious folks, doesn't that indict their religious morality?
You grossly generalize if you imply all religious people hold to hateful ideologies. Not all Muslims are terrorists - remember that? Does Perez Hilton hate Will I Am? He called him a fag....
One need not be a terrorist in order to have a religion that is essentially an imaginary cosmic war that involves the faithful against other faithful. But when someone says "It's all a scam that hurts humanity," those fundies have another enemy: Anyone who would expose religion as the scam that it is.
Terrorists are a tiny minority of religious folks, perhaps the ones who take it too literally and seriously. It shouldn't be taken seriously at all. The less the better.
Religion is not a scam. Tell Ghandi his religion was a scam. Te;ll Martin Luther King jr. his religion was a scam. you are just another idiot who does not know true religion and so base all your opinions of it by what you have seen on tv,.....
I would if they were alive and in front of me. All RELIGIONS ARE LIES. Fuck all religions! Anyone who is a puppet who believes in nonsense fairy tales needs to grow up and believe in themselves and have faith in themselves, and be a good person not because of punishment but because it is the right thing to do.
The truly religious do not do good because they fear punishment. You have a misconception. The truly religious accept the truth and do good simply because they know it is the right thing to do. Your childish understanding of religion is lacking....
marklross2 - Then why do they claim that they do good because they have such a good god? We're constantly told that if we don't have religion, we don't have a good set of morals.
Yes yes yes, that's all shit I use to preach when I was a christian as well. But it's total bullshit and you know it.
If God said there were no more sins and no more 10 commandments 90% of you fuckers would kill non believers and rape women, and steal. That is why when they talk about atheists they always say that Atheists have no moral guide, so why would they be good? If they believed what you just said they wouldn't need to ask that question to atheists.
I don't think it is 90%..you're just as bad as the assholes who blame all of Islam fort the minority of the terrorist who hijack th religion for their purposes....
That violent minority is only following their religion literally. The growing peaceful majority disobeys it, and gravitates more towards humanism. That's a good change.
To paraphrase Carlin: "Thou shalt not kill?? If you look at history, the churches haven't had much problem with killing people. More people have been killed in the name of religion than for any other reason."
Actually - no - that violent minority has purposefully misinterpreted their religion to suit their purpose. Carlin is wrong. More people have been killed simply for land...
If you include the Inquisitions, the witch hunts, the Crusades, the holocausts, American slavery, and the current war of Christianity vs. Islam...you can add a lot more to that by just taking a world history class.
Religion provides plenty of instructions to kill people who are different. The Bible lists off dozens of reasons, and gives dozens of examples of God and his followers committing mass murder - for their religion. That's if you believe the Bible.
Yes, and non-religious people. Religion is it's own worst enemy.
But there have been many holocausts. Right here in Texas, there used to be tens of thousands of native people who ran this place before white Europeans came along. Now "Indians" are really hard to find around here.
Plus the "Indians" example was to show how religion resulted in even more killings. That was Manifest Destiny, the idea that God wanted that land for white Christians, instead of those who lived on it at the time.
Except that God had less to do with the concept of manifest destiny than did the secular belief that the Anglo/Saxon race was superior and "destined" to occupy the land. Even Wikipedeia says: :...it was usually used to refer to the idea that the American government was "destined" to establish uninterrupted political authority across the entire North American continent, from one ocean to the other.."
Yeah well I was taught in public school and Christian school that Manifest Destiny was the idea that God wanted Christians to take this land, however they wanted to.
But of course a lot of governments were blended with religion, making their overall motives religious based. The earliest govt. in the USA was like that, until reforms were made, and a REAL govt. that represents the people was established - much later on.
Really though, how could a real Christian do that? Apparently easily.
No, war is not exclusive to religion, but religion has been used for thousands of years to rally the people and divide them, an excuse to go to war..to think of other human beings as "non-human."
Btw, "savages" was the label white Europeans used to de-humanize the Indians, making it much easier psychologically to kill those who are different.
Once we recognize that all human divisions effect each other on this planet, the better off we will ALL be when we actually b/c CIVILIZED.
Correct! And the most predominant social process through which the spread of civilization has and continues to occur is through to spread of religion.....
Religion keeps people down, on their knees. It is when people become independent and act individually for positive change that civilization spreads. Just look at the Muslims praying on the floor and seething with hatred at the same time. The more devout, the less proactive.
"Religion keeps people down, on their knees." That is your misconception. You cannot refute the historic fact that religion was one of two forces spreading civilization throughout the world. The other - profit. Since you can't refute the truth, you try to side step the issue. Nice try....
I never said that religion wasn't a major force that came along with the force of European Christian expansion, what you call "spreading civilization."
What you seem to want to ignore is the fact that the Bible lists out who to kill, and Christians have taken that way too literally, the way it's written that is, and murdered their way onto other peoples' lands. Religion is responsible for the religious hatred and paranoia that enabled otherwise friendly Christians to murder.
The Bible is just fairy tale - I thought....Well, if NOW you are going to acknowledge the validity of the Bible since you think it suits your argument, please cite where in the Bible this ""list" of people to kill is...........Land is responsible for the tribal hatred and paranoia that enabled otherwise friendly people to murder.
It's a book of nonsense, lineage, fairy tales, and a war manual. I don't believe the supernatural parts. But many of the natural parts are real, like places and some real people.
In the book of Exodus you can find the long list of commandments that didn't make the top ten. Like Exodus 22:18 - "Do not suffer a witch to live." This was basically a death warrant on anyone a Judeo-Christian wanted to get rid of. All they had to say is that the person is a witch. Millions were killed this way.
So now YOU are cherry picking the Bible. Well, like you don't believe God is real for lack of evidence, I reject your claim that "millions" were killed in the name of witchcraft for lack of evidence...You can prove Joan de Arc and a few women in Salem.........
If I said the entire Bible is untrue, you could easily point out that it talks about places that exist or existed that we can verify, like Jerusalem and Jerico. It would be foolish of me to deny that those existed!
Now the witch hunts and trials? Seriously you don't think millions have been killed over that? It's still going on y'know.
The Vatican has the largest collection of woodcuts in the world, and many of them depict witch hunts and executions. They kept meticulous records of that.
Oh, so are you saying they are NOT teaching the Bible?
Or would you say, they don't know what they're doing because one half of the Bible says one thing, and the other part says another?
OR( an excuse that would give them an excuse to do it with another excuse on top of it) would you say a 'witch' is not a person, and therefore is condemned!!
No, I am saying that, unlike idiots who cannot or will not recognize that there are verses in the Bible that may have had real meaning as applied to the world before the New Covenant, the missionaries are intelligent human beings who understand the Gospel.
My question was not pointless. I was challenging you to provide EVIDENCE of how you reached your conclusion. I do not believe what you say to be factual.
Do you think I haven't seen these people in action via tv, the internet, You Tube?
You think no one not Christian has spoken with them?
You think missionaries just started these last few years without a history? Ask a Native American about Christian missionaries. They've been around since Paul floated around and got himself killed rallying masses causing one big heap trouble.
How shallow their faith must be if it can be uprooted by such an innocuous idea.
Kaalec 2 weeks ago
Ought to be more of these around.
We have Free Speech here in America last time I looked.
They (the people who don't like it) can put up their own billboards.
But that, of course, doesn't make the news.
Can't understand why a billboard sign that just tells atheists that they are not alone should be such a threat for Christians.
It would seem as though Christians scare easily.
BOO!
AthenaSchroedinger 3 months ago
This is AWESOME lol
iliveon 7 months ago
1:55-2:02
Wasn't that the same arguement that the KKK made against de-segregation?
;)
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago
"In the name of Jebus! I command you to show your holy noodleness!"
juuonse 1 year ago
that giant bitch is running a gang not a religious community
notfalling334 1 year ago
poor babies.
wojovox 1 year ago
And this is why I hate Christians. They're fucking hypocrites. If there IS a God, he's probably shaking his head in shame at these fuckwits.
Lol at the "Religious, African-American community". Since when do religious people consider black people equals? Last I heard, they were primary slave traders.
sonicroxandGL 1 year ago
fuck haters ill belive what i want 2 belive where the fuck do christains get off complaining about a billboard
huntsman400 1 year ago
Loving it. Although the right of free speech quite oftenly goes hand in hand with people protesting it its all relatively pointless to argue about it because like the reporter said it's only going to be up for a month so shut up and move on with your lives.
Mechana8 1 year ago
This is fucking awesome. Its funny how religious people get upset at anything that speaks against whatever it is they believe.
raulBecker 1 year ago
Free speech folks.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 year ago
The customers of the hair salon thought the hair salon put up the billboard? Really? They're that stupid?
ycantibu 1 year ago
These black christians only need to be reminded how "white christians" justified slavery just a few hundred years ago, with their bible. How ironic that they still follow the religion of their white masters.
Vegasgodless 2 years ago
hehe, i find it realy funny tbh.
VarykGerai 1 year ago
As an optimistic atheist I hope that one day in the future the world will look at this post and laugh their guts up and say surely we were not that stupid and brainwashed! Yep we were!!
factvfiction 2 years ago
bringing children out to protest that is detestable, that woman should not be allowed to infect children with her beliefs
phantomdc4 2 years ago
typical dumbass uneducated Christian nutters
frankystein12 2 years ago
So... they're allowed to put up signs telling us we're going to "go to hell" if we don't join their religion, but atheists aren't allowed to put up a sign to confort closeted atheists? WTF?!!! I'm sorry, but that logic is REALLY SCREWED UP!!!
skycomet19 2 years ago
Yep. It's one reason why I'm an Atheist activist.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
@aajoeyjo I hear you bro, I started out more of a "live and let live" non-believer.
But the more i run into people who claim divine order to take offense at my very existence the more i feel a need to be assertive at the first sign of theist hate
Floridanon407 1 year ago
@skycomet19 That is why we have freedom of speech. If atheist want to put a billboard that is not obscene does not advocate violence or the overthrow of the government and they can pay for it I say let them.
Keep watching!
Wildcard120 9 months ago
Great for the Non-believing community. Why believe in things for which there is no good evidence. How more honest can a Non-believer be.
Dutchdrummer99 2 years ago
It's a harmless sign. These Christians need to check themselves and love thy neighbor. Hooray for the brave atheists in Florida.
RegressLess 2 years ago
Oh come on! Christians do it all the time :D Christians get to poster up their "god sent his only begotten son" :D
TurboDally 2 years ago
"We're spiritual here. We don't want this here."
Okay, #1, you're not spiritual. You're religious. #2, who cares if it offends you? No one has the right not to be offended. They don't seem to grasp the concept of free speech for EVERYONE. Jackasses. You can tell "big mama" I said so.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
True, but in the same sense, everyone also has the right to act on their offense. If the community doesn't want a sign there then they are allowed to protest. Just because we might endorse one side or the other doesn't mean we have the right to tell the other side to 'shut up and deal with it'. Freedom of speech is, after all, for everyone.
GeoVII 2 years ago
I don't think they should "shut up and deal with it". They can protest all they like. They should just know it's not coming down because that would be telling the Free Thought group to "shut up and deal with it".
Them saying "the sign need to come down because we don't like it" is just asinine.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
That's how they contradicted themselves though. In demanding that the sign be taken down, they were trying to speak out!....to stop someone else from speaking out.
In reality they're only for their own free speech, obviously. That's really not so "free," isn't it?
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
why does a random small local station have a british reporter? well anyway. Thatz sign need to come down! In DA Name of JEzuz! Wait? not in the name of baal?
Rycon973 2 years ago
God causes cancer.
formless777 2 years ago
Praise God!!! I stopped seeing my doctor, once I read that Jesus taught that demons cause diseases!! Now I'm looking for an exorcist. Can someone recommend a practitioner?
coralarch 2 years ago
Free passes will be given out at our Traveling Temple of the Sheep
Exorcism is our specialty.
Slap you in the forehead until you see the stars of David, and you'll go into seizures that should make your wallet/loose change drop right out of your pocket.
Why, it's a miracle!!
Flick some Devil be Gone holy water into your eyes, and Sha-ZAM!! In the Name of the Lord, rickytickytavi....umumu shumumu bemumu...you are good to go, child!!
fonna 2 years ago
Do you guys accept coupons?
mrowepat 2 years ago
This country is covered from sea to shining sea with endorsements of religion (mostly Christianity), but one mildly stated billboard giving a different view, and these people seem to think they're being oppressed. Babies. Bratty babies.
In a place as religious and conservative as Florida, it's impossible to put up an atheist message anywhere where it won't offend some theists. So no billboards for FL atheists, I guess! Sorry, you need to go to some other state to express yourselves.
yohei72 2 years ago
These Christians are indistinguishable from frothy mouthed, bearded Muslims. To them, the mere existence of "others" is unwelcome. Who cares what business in next door? Or that their are religious people nearby? Or what colour their skin is?
These people are just intolerant, uneducated, religious hypocrites, brain-washing children. There's no "controversy", just a bunch of intolerance.
The last man interviewed is the only intelligent one in the article. Women and blacks, indeed.
seathanaich 2 years ago
Those poor christians, having to put up with such preachy, know-it-all atheists. God forbid secularists would actually find support from each other. What if they build a temple to intelligence and free inquiry? Before you know it they'll have their tentacles in government, they'll be going to other countries to convert the innocent, and they'll start making our children chant in the street. It all starts with a sign. RELIGION IS CHILD ABUSE!!!
stevepenner777 2 years ago
lol....excellent comment.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
There should be more signs like this. It's about time people started standing up to the potentially violent and completely irrational religious, they're no better than anyone else, they don't think for themselves, they think that god will do everything for them, no, he's a character in a book! To make things happen you need hard work and free thought that is what affords you a great life! Get a good, solid, fact-based education and you'll be able to make positive decisions for your life.
worldlybrit 2 years ago
If your precious Jesus really wanted the fucking sign taken down, he would've done so himself. Why hasn't he? Maybe he... *gasp*, doesn't exist?
xPurpleRayne 2 years ago
well its about time we got a billboard up there. Im sick of seeing Jesus freak bilboards telling me im going to hell and Jesus loves me.
LogicConsumedGod 2 years ago
:50 Problem #2 is I don't see a problem -LMAO 5 stars!
Celticking36 2 years ago
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of religion." -Butterfly McQueen. Take that, Big Mama!
Dramphooey 2 years ago
Why is this Big Mama so upset about such an innocent billboard?
You dont need a God to be a good person. In fact, a very large percentage of the religious population is prejudiced, racist and intolerant, among other things. For many of you religious folk, believing in a God does not make you a good person, it makes you a hypocrite. Some of you may have good intentions, but most of you are just plain ignorant. Be a good person without the BS story of a God. Try it! Youll feel better.
Sgwslkm 2 years ago
Who the F is Big Mama? I feel like I'm watching Mr. Show.
jdotglenn 2 years ago
That was rather fascinating...completely nutz but interesting none the less. I find ignorance to be offensive...so what does one do about that? Why should I or anyone be forced to endure the predjudice of the religious? I figure they get whole channels on TV to spread theiir "good" word so whats wrong with one little billboard? The only solution I see is education...it's difficult to retain the fantasies of childhood when confronted with the realities of science. We all have to grow up sometime!
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
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... Freedom is not free.
rockerwere 2 years ago
Blacks are so ignorant...well most are.. I have very open minded black friends some atheist and some christians. The Christians accepted me for who I am but their people just discriminate and then whine about their discrimination. Atheists have taken crap not only by whites and blacks...but by all religions. which is about 70+% of the population of earth...
JuiceTheBruce 2 years ago
I had to snicker at this.
But it's not like the billboard is right in front of a church, mosque, or any other place of worship.
Let it stand!!
I WILL bring up the BAC's who go to mosques with a bullhorn, blaring out "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus"
Oh, we don't want to bring up that.
Or the BAC's stopping customers in the street with their pamphlets,and bullhorns of other businesses.
And let's not forget picket signs that says "God hates fags", or "God hates you",.....oh, that's "okay".
fonna 2 years ago
good thing they're protesting. more publicity! :) the billboard now reached the whole world via news and the internet, instead of just that community! :)
thank you silly christians!;)
loverich 2 years ago
Fucking votebots, religion is for idiots who cant get over the fact that they are dead when they are dead, game over and their life wasted... and they make life harder for so many.....
DoctorE0 2 years ago
What is so controversial? YOU can in fact, be a good person without a belief in god.
Let us all stop being divided by politics, propoganda and yes, religion.
Btw, I ran across this in the Bible and I couldn't believe what I was reading:
Matthew 10: 34-38
Advocating these scriptures is horrible, b/c it's psychological abuse. We need to "THINK" and realize that dividision causes strife. We must not be divided because together, we can make the change we need to in the world.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
as a Christian, an American, and probably the most mature and level headed person (thanks to my being raised to think and look at every religion and see things through every person's eyes, thanks Dad!) i do agree with the sign! not every good person is a christian! as Americans, we can not protest the sign! everyone has a right to speak (and show) their opinion! as Christians, we should not argue about the sign... it really doesn't make those who do not believe in God rethink their beliefs.
Bethany1 2 years ago
Well said, "You're not alone"
Bastiest 2 years ago
SayYesToReason - I hear ya, but it's important to note that they we didn't "pick" him. He stepped up to the challenge all by himself.
We need do-ers in our movement, and since it's a socially risky endeavor, few rise to the calling. They rise on their own too, without a need for any governing body or extensive training effort.
We don't have enough activists to be able to pick and choose which ones get on tv. Hey maybe that's why I got on tv so many times! lolol :o)
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
"In the name of Jesus I pray, that someone will violate the constitution which I claim is built on my god's values in order to make my god happy!"
Patman968574 2 years ago
So I guess the black preacher was against the first ammendment. If you don't want the billboard then buyout the group, you can't trample the constitution because something makes you sad
Patman968574 2 years ago
Hey, here's a plan, why don't we just get rid of free speech altogether?
Once again, ignorance, and blind subjectivity prevail.
americasace 2 years ago
Who honestly looks like the enemy in this video? The atheist man is calm, reasonable, and understanding.
Whereas the people against the sign have nothing better to contribute but "WE NEED DIS SIGN DOWN IN DA NAME O JESUS!!!!!"
A respectable Christian would simply smirk at the sign and walk away with confidence in their faith. But, alas, their only reaction is hostility and anger.
l337moomoo 2 years ago
hey aajoeyjo, we'll do our best to get your ratings back up. Keep fighting the good fight. Slowly but surely reason, logic and rationality is making its way into the realm of superstition.
americasace 2 years ago
Can't have it both ways.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
Fuck. "Big Mama" needs to learn the meaning of free speech. Those poor kids standing there shouting that don't even realize that the free speech they're using to protest is the same free speech that allows that sign to stand.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
oh my god...
Cristofer7 2 years ago
I'm glad the people in that community understand the true meaning of freedom of religion. And tolerance. And diversity.
Oh, I forgot, those ideals only work one way.
AdIgnorantiam 2 years ago
OH MY! Even BIG MOMMA HERSELF?!?! America is a fuckin joke of a nation and a disgrace to all great civilizations. I support the billboard and all people who have some sense in their heads.
Midvinterblot542 2 years ago
Midvinterblot542 - Well America's not so bad afterall then, because that Atheist group is an American group. We have lots of rational folks here. :o)
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Only small groups of rational folks and far too many ignorant ones.
Midvinterblot542 2 years ago
your arrogance isnt very ingeniously too.
ahr8p 2 years ago
My arrogance? It's not my fault you're uneducated and use an adverb in a sentence where an adjective is supposed to go.
Midvinterblot542 2 years ago
lol... typical kid behaviour!
how many languages do you speak and write?
ahr8p 2 years ago
You fail at grammar.
archmagi14794 2 years ago
Oh come now. There's still hope for America, even if its people are largely uneducated, bible-thumping bigots who don't know the true meaning of freedom.
I think this recent election is a sign that the tides are turning.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
Your comment proves there is no hope. You like many other sheep are misled thinking that Obama is a sign of 'change.' Political correctness and lack of research has clearly clouded your judgment. Obama is just as worse than Bush and time will tell if he turns out to be even worse. So far he's leading this country into another Great Depression. Basic knowledge of economics and our current debt level will help you understand the reasons why.
Midvinterblot542 2 years ago
Lol, "just as worse than". I know it's just a typo, but it's funny.
Okay, I'm not a sheep, and what does political correctness have to do with anything? The fact that most of America wants people (not just Obama, btw) more enlightened than Bush and his band of republicunts in office IS a sign that America is headed in a better direction.
Also, I'm sure most people in office have more than basic knowledge of economics and they seem to disagree with you.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
1:34 Brainwashing in progress.
Oh yes, the media loves big Black women. They are loud, have charisma, certainly don't have any problem talking on video, and they appeal to the common man, i.e., the low class. Here ya go! She makes me want to purge my brain with some Dawkins.
Notice that Big Mama's faith is so shakey that she's scared of a billboard.
pmarie2003 2 years ago
beautiful
bradreed 2 years ago
Christian simpletons...
bobrussell1957 2 years ago
Notice, they have a problem with it, but not specifically. What exactly is their problem with it? Have they read it? Do they see God, and then protest if it isn't a pro-God billboard? They're making themselves look infantile and ridiculous.
tastypaper 2 years ago
Thanks to all of you for your support and nice comments, we will try to keep the campaign going by moving the billboard to a different location, a newspaper ad and radio commercials...all depending on funds...If you do donate to help us, remember that it is a tax deduction,we are a 501(c)3
java7686 2 years ago
That's beautiful positioning, right next to the evangelical christian organization.
:D
bhig3 2 years ago
This is ridiculous. -_-
shurikin93 2 years ago
So...it's ok to put crosses everywhere, religious signs, bible preach in the streets, have TONS of religious billboards such as the "I'll forgive you...God", flyers about endtimes, morons...I mean mormons out on bikes annoying people like used car salesmen, signs on buses, etc...but one little atheistic billboard and everyone protests....what a bunch of religious hypocrites.
dallased25 2 years ago
Is it possible to collectively donate to this group with intention of buying more time for the sign?
electricrobot 2 years ago
electricrobot - Don't quote me, but I believe that's their plan. If you go to their website, there should be donation info and their plans.
Yeah do that thing! :o)
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Christians are so afraid that they are wrong. People still have the idea in their head that there's something wrong with not having imaginary friends. I am living in crazy topsy turby world.
DeimosSaturn 2 years ago
They are allowed to have thousands of churches where people pay money to be lied to yet atheists can't have one sign in the entire state of florida. Pardon me, stupid Christians, but this is America and America is a secular nation. If you don't like it, you can move to England where they have state sponsored christianity.
DeimosSaturn 2 years ago
Come to Montreal! We got a strip club on every corner!
RedDaVincy 2 years ago
These "Good Christians" have no problem lying through their teeth! There is NOOOOO Way they are losing Business because of this. They are "Bearing False Witness" as an excuse to complain. How Typical! Lying in the Name of Jesus! Stealing in the name of Jesus! Killing In the name of Jesus! Being a BIGOT In The Name Of Jesus!
justanutadude 2 years ago
I do appreciate Big Mama for giving this billboard, that local Atheist group, and the entire Atheist movement all this attention, leading to all this publicity.
It cost a lot of money for the billboard, but the media publicity is worth ten times that much, if you ask me.
It's a win-win situation for us rational folks!
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
"recruitment billboard"?!?
WTF
ricorurik 2 years ago
ricorurik - Basically, although that's a gruff way of putting it. Atheist groups are looking for Atheists, and vice versa.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
It seems more like an outreach to me. The use of "recruitment" by the newscaster seems to be calculated to imply that atheists are trying to "deconvert/subvert thechildren". It just comes across as a ridiculous scare tactic.
ricorurik 2 years ago
Well..
In a way it is simply enticing(sp) people to come out of the closet..
However, they would probably visit that website. in that web site they probably will tell them how to become more active/donate and asking them to become a member of their activist site..
There lies "recruitment"
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
I'm not speaking to the intent of the billboard rather to the intent of the newscasters by using the term "recruitment", which I see as calculatedly provocative.
ricorurik 2 years ago
I like the idea of recruitment, if it means that those who are recruited will become active at helping the movement.
Churches just want warm bodies in the pews, and unquestioning providers of donations. So when they "recruit," it seems slightly immoral...because they do immoral things with their people.
In Atheist groups, you can just pay your membership dues, keep up with the movement, and occasionally attend an Atheist event. We don't have brainwashing sessions or committments.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
just a thought, im not condoning vandalism but hypothetically. If someone graffitied the sign by putting just the words "IF YOU" before "Don't believe in god" would as many religious people be upset and would that change the meaning.
im aware that the sign is designed to provoke people and it helps raise the public profile.
rarrmonkey 2 years ago
I don't think it's designed to provoke people, other than to provoke Atheists to join that group. They were careful not to put a harsh negative message there.
It's so easy to insult religious people just by talking about their religion, so yes, the message could've been much more "offensive."
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
I am sure "big momma" wouldn't be out there screaming "Oh yea! They got what was coming to dem!"..
However, it probably would stimulate her in a positive way... and secretly be proud someone did that..
As me, if someone vandalised a church by graffiting "their is no god" all over the place..
I would feel disheartened towards my fellow atheists, for reinforcing stereotypes.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
I think a simple "I disagree with this sign and in no way endorse it" would've sufficed.
And if she really felt strongly about it, she should've erected a sign of her own, on her OWN property.. Stating her counter opinion.. Maybe a "A fool hath said in his heart there is no god" verse..
sidenote:It is HAAARD to believe that people honestly believed that the barber shop put up the atheist sign.
That seemed like she was aiming for empathy there, and it ALMOST worked.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
What she and the tv station don't mention is the obvious fact that those who would avoid that business are religious people themselves.
If an Atheist saw it, would they be likely to boycott businesses under it? Of course not.
Christians are their own worst enemy sometimes.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
big ma'ma.. lmao.
xdawpax 2 years ago
To hell with free speech huh?
jroyals26 2 years ago
HAHAHA... Is that sign still up... I'll drive over there an protest the protesters.
apparantly the problem was not putting the sign up in a religious commuinty, the problem was putting the sign up in a lower eductated area.
NaTaSBlood 2 years ago
But I kinda know how they feel - if I had a shop and some stupid religious sign went up next to it, I'd be pretty pissed off too.
AuntieDiluvian 2 years ago
Apparently the patrons who are avoiding that business are religious people. This is the fault of religious people. They boycott their own out of misplaced anger.
They have a lot of anger.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
god poeple like that need to chill out and let other poeple have their freedom of speech
nailo1 2 years ago
Thanks for showing this!
steamsoldier 2 years ago
this is just crazy, that has got to be the LEAST offensive sign you could possibly get.
sheepwshotguns 2 years ago
Actually I think it rather offends my sense of aesthetics. Those color choices, jesus...
boobmcnutt 2 years ago
I think the color scheme must've been chosen for ease of visibility. It has to be easy to read from a great distance, and bright colors catch the eye. Even if they don't soothe the eye, they catch it. That's all that really counts.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
If Atheists made half as much fuss about every Christian billboard, the news would be swamped with nothing else.
Btw, what the hell is that teacher doing bringing her students on what is essentially a Christian rally.
AGrandt 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
free speech anyone?
chesterandreduction 2 years ago
Religion is just an excuse to ignore real problems. Notice these people are rallying against a SIGN rather than, oh I don't know, SOMETHING ELSE!
TheDeLoreanFlux 2 years ago
these people are fools
freethinker3161 2 years ago
don't you mean thy are "Christian apologists?"
marklross2 2 years ago
MARK ARE YOU STALKING ME?
freethinker3161 2 years ago
Dood - relax - You're not good looking enough to stalk. No - c'mon - you and I are obviously going to have interest in common videos because of their subjects. I just happened to notice your comment on this one, and wondered if you thought Brock was a fool too...
marklross2 2 years ago
wow, it just irks the shit out of you , well these people are fools because they seem to think that god runs their town, can't have any new ideas or that the people who live among them might not all be christian. i love the atheist sign. i do think it was ill placed, but hey i didn't put it there.
and yes i am good looking enough to stalk, how dare you.
freethinker3161 2 years ago
Isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? heh heh
No - I could care less about the sign - it is just stupid. It is your characterization of other humans as "fools" because you disagree with them. Not to get all Biblical on your ass - but if I were you - I'd be careful...
marklross2 2 years ago
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou FOOL, shall be in danger of hell fire.
marklross2 2 years ago
I don't think the message in this billboard implies that someone is a fool for disagreeing with us. To me it's good news: Humans aren't as dependent as some people say.
But really if we have to tread lightly because of the religious folks, doesn't that indict their religious morality?
Yes, it does.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
But really if we have to tread lightly because of gay folks, doesn't that indict their homosexual morality?
marklross2 2 years ago
I would say that since gays don't have an ideology that urges them to hate people, we won't have to tread lightly around them.
So far, I think the "homosexual morality" has been mostly harmless and friendly.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
You grossly generalize if you imply all religious people hold to hateful ideologies. Not all Muslims are terrorists - remember that? Does Perez Hilton hate Will I Am? He called him a fag....
marklross2 2 years ago
One need not be a terrorist in order to have a religion that is essentially an imaginary cosmic war that involves the faithful against other faithful. But when someone says "It's all a scam that hurts humanity," those fundies have another enemy: Anyone who would expose religion as the scam that it is.
Terrorists are a tiny minority of religious folks, perhaps the ones who take it too literally and seriously. It shouldn't be taken seriously at all. The less the better.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Religion is not a scam. Tell Ghandi his religion was a scam. Te;ll Martin Luther King jr. his religion was a scam. you are just another idiot who does not know true religion and so base all your opinions of it by what you have seen on tv,.....
marklross2 2 years ago
marklross2 - I'll be glad to tell any living religious person that religion is a scam. What would that prove to you?
When you use ad hominems, you're giving up on any rational debate.
I have direct experience with religions, on and off of television. The harm it does is very real. No joke.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Calling someone who ignores the examples of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. an idiot is not an ad hominem - YOU EARNED THE TITLE....
marklross2 2 years ago
What examples though? That we all have to grovel to a god? Or that humans should help each other?
Humans helping humans is called "Humanism," and most Christians practice it, but won't admit it using that term. Gods don't need help. Humans do.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Who's groveling to God? Not me....
marklross2 2 years ago
Praying, Groveling, tomato, tomato.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
Their god is a moron. I mean, he made a whole wall in Jericho fall on 40,000 people. Can you say bullshit?
akinadownhillace 2 years ago
marlkross2 - Religious people.
I spent years praying and it's groveling. Yes, it's begging, debasing oneself and it's groveling. All of that.
Having fun while doing something wrong tends to make it feel right. It doesn't make it so however.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
I would if they were alive and in front of me. All RELIGIONS ARE LIES. Fuck all religions! Anyone who is a puppet who believes in nonsense fairy tales needs to grow up and believe in themselves and have faith in themselves, and be a good person not because of punishment but because it is the right thing to do.
This is a matter of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
The truly religious do not do good because they fear punishment. You have a misconception. The truly religious accept the truth and do good simply because they know it is the right thing to do. Your childish understanding of religion is lacking....
marklross2 2 years ago
marklross2 - Then why do they claim that they do good because they have such a good god? We're constantly told that if we don't have religion, we don't have a good set of morals.
We can't ignore that.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Yes yes yes, that's all shit I use to preach when I was a christian as well. But it's total bullshit and you know it.
If God said there were no more sins and no more 10 commandments 90% of you fuckers would kill non believers and rape women, and steal. That is why when they talk about atheists they always say that Atheists have no moral guide, so why would they be good? If they believed what you just said they wouldn't need to ask that question to atheists.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
I don't think it is 90%..you're just as bad as the assholes who blame all of Islam fort the minority of the terrorist who hijack th religion for their purposes....
marklross2 2 years ago
It's what is known as an exaggeration which stresses a majority.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
That violent minority is only following their religion literally. The growing peaceful majority disobeys it, and gravitates more towards humanism. That's a good change.
To paraphrase Carlin: "Thou shalt not kill?? If you look at history, the churches haven't had much problem with killing people. More people have been killed in the name of religion than for any other reason."
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Actually - no - that violent minority has purposefully misinterpreted their religion to suit their purpose. Carlin is wrong. More people have been killed simply for land...
marklross2 2 years ago
If you include the Inquisitions, the witch hunts, the Crusades, the holocausts, American slavery, and the current war of Christianity vs. Islam...you can add a lot more to that by just taking a world history class.
Religion provides plenty of instructions to kill people who are different. The Bible lists off dozens of reasons, and gives dozens of examples of God and his followers committing mass murder - for their religion. That's if you believe the Bible.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
holocaust?? That was against religious people....
marklross2 2 years ago
Yes, and non-religious people. Religion is it's own worst enemy.
But there have been many holocausts. Right here in Texas, there used to be tens of thousands of native people who ran this place before white Europeans came along. Now "Indians" are really hard to find around here.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Yes - so simply put - war is not exclusive to religion...
marklross2 2 years ago
I didn't say it was exclusive to religion. I said that more people have been killed for religion than anything else.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Plus the "Indians" example was to show how religion resulted in even more killings. That was Manifest Destiny, the idea that God wanted that land for white Christians, instead of those who lived on it at the time.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
Except that God had less to do with the concept of manifest destiny than did the secular belief that the Anglo/Saxon race was superior and "destined" to occupy the land. Even Wikipedeia says: :...it was usually used to refer to the idea that the American government was "destined" to establish uninterrupted political authority across the entire North American continent, from one ocean to the other.."
marklross2 2 years ago
Yeah well I was taught in public school and Christian school that Manifest Destiny was the idea that God wanted Christians to take this land, however they wanted to.
But of course a lot of governments were blended with religion, making their overall motives religious based. The earliest govt. in the USA was like that, until reforms were made, and a REAL govt. that represents the people was established - much later on.
Really though, how could a real Christian do that? Apparently easily.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
No, war is not exclusive to religion, but religion has been used for thousands of years to rally the people and divide them, an excuse to go to war..to think of other human beings as "non-human."
Btw, "savages" was the label white Europeans used to de-humanize the Indians, making it much easier psychologically to kill those who are different.
Once we recognize that all human divisions effect each other on this planet, the better off we will ALL be when we actually b/c CIVILIZED.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Correct! And the most predominant social process through which the spread of civilization has and continues to occur is through to spread of religion.....
marklross2 2 years ago
Religion keeps people down, on their knees. It is when people become independent and act individually for positive change that civilization spreads. Just look at the Muslims praying on the floor and seething with hatred at the same time. The more devout, the less proactive.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
"Religion keeps people down, on their knees." That is your misconception. You cannot refute the historic fact that religion was one of two forces spreading civilization throughout the world. The other - profit. Since you can't refute the truth, you try to side step the issue. Nice try....
marklross2 2 years ago
I never said that religion wasn't a major force that came along with the force of European Christian expansion, what you call "spreading civilization."
What you seem to want to ignore is the fact that the Bible lists out who to kill, and Christians have taken that way too literally, the way it's written that is, and murdered their way onto other peoples' lands. Religion is responsible for the religious hatred and paranoia that enabled otherwise friendly Christians to murder.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
The Bible is just fairy tale - I thought....Well, if NOW you are going to acknowledge the validity of the Bible since you think it suits your argument, please cite where in the Bible this ""list" of people to kill is...........Land is responsible for the tribal hatred and paranoia that enabled otherwise friendly people to murder.
marklross2 2 years ago
It's a book of nonsense, lineage, fairy tales, and a war manual. I don't believe the supernatural parts. But many of the natural parts are real, like places and some real people.
In the book of Exodus you can find the long list of commandments that didn't make the top ten. Like Exodus 22:18 - "Do not suffer a witch to live." This was basically a death warrant on anyone a Judeo-Christian wanted to get rid of. All they had to say is that the person is a witch. Millions were killed this way.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
So now YOU are cherry picking the Bible. Well, like you don't believe God is real for lack of evidence, I reject your claim that "millions" were killed in the name of witchcraft for lack of evidence...You can prove Joan de Arc and a few women in Salem.........
marklross2 2 years ago
If I said the entire Bible is untrue, you could easily point out that it talks about places that exist or existed that we can verify, like Jerusalem and Jerico. It would be foolish of me to deny that those existed!
Now the witch hunts and trials? Seriously you don't think millions have been killed over that? It's still going on y'know.
The Vatican has the largest collection of woodcuts in the world, and many of them depict witch hunts and executions. They kept meticulous records of that.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
"It was reported on May 21, 2008, that in Kenya a mob had burned to death at least 11 people accused of witchcraft."
It still happens today.
fonna 2 years ago
Ooops....
Site: wiki
fonna 2 years ago
What religious affiliation was the majority of the mob? Comparing primitive belief systems to more evolved ones is invalid...
marklross2 2 years ago
ie. Modern Christians do not believe in witch burning....
marklross2 2 years ago
Well, when the missionaries go into Kenya, and other countries, maybe they should squeeze that little nugget of information in their "teachings".
fonna 2 years ago
Do you know what they teach? Do you know in fact they are omitting that? Or are you now just engaging in defensive speculation?
marklross2 2 years ago
Christians supposedly have missionaries going here, there , and everywhere to "spread the word".
The question here is, what ARE they doing ?
What ARE they teaching?
fonna 2 years ago
see my vid "BlueCollarChristians"
marklross2 2 years ago
See your Bible. I do believe that's where all of the mayhem starts about it.
Exodus 22: 18,
I think THAT'S what they're teaching them.
Don't you?
So now according to anyone who accuses someone else of being a witch in the village, that "witch" is hunted down and killed, I guess.
fonna 2 years ago
YUO THINK that is what they are teaching - but you are wrong..they are teaching: "Do unto other as as you would have others do unto you."
marklross2 2 years ago
Oh, so are you saying they are NOT teaching the Bible?
Or would you say, they don't know what they're doing because one half of the Bible says one thing, and the other part says another?
OR( an excuse that would give them an excuse to do it with another excuse on top of it) would you say a 'witch' is not a person, and therefore is condemned!!
fonna 2 years ago
No, I am saying that, unlike idiots who cannot or will not recognize that there are verses in the Bible that may have had real meaning as applied to the world before the New Covenant, the missionaries are intelligent human beings who understand the Gospel.
marklross2 2 years ago
I'm very well aware that 6,000+ years ago people believed people were witches, demon possessed, spirit possession.
They still do.
But you are the one that studies it along with your "New Covenant".....the one that's 2,000 years old 'new'.
You see, I am not the idiot. I recognize that the whole book is old....very , very old.
fonna 2 years ago
I am sure there are some missionary who think before they present their teaching to new and innocent peoples.
But I find most of them fire breathing fear mongers that just like to hear themselves talk pointlessly.
fonna 2 years ago
Really? How many have you met or seen teaching?
marklross2 2 years ago
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Does that answer your pointless question?
I have studied your people more that the Bible, and have studied the Bible more than many of your people.
I am the Toto to your curtain.
fonna 2 years ago
My question was not pointless. I was challenging you to provide EVIDENCE of how you reached your conclusion. I do not believe what you say to be factual.
marklross2 2 years ago
Your question is pointless.
Do you think I haven't seen these people in action via tv, the internet, You Tube?
You think no one not Christian has spoken with them?
You think missionaries just started these last few years without a history? Ask a Native American about Christian missionaries. They've been around since Paul floated around and got himself killed rallying masses causing one big heap trouble.
How many?
Yes. Pointless question indeed.
fonna 2 years ago