Hey Taiostflyer you should get a Walkera v120d02, or a m120d01. the m120d01 is like the v120d02 just carbon fiber. or Maybee a Walkera tri-blade. I just want someone reasonable to try out a walkera flybarless heli to see how it compares to the mCP X.
@dittsboylogan i would love to do the comparison if i can get my hands on them, i tried out a T28 micro Trojan recently and loved it, i should have a review coming soon.
@taoistflyer Once I get some extra allownace money, or chores I've made the decision to get the Parksone Micro T-28 Trojan. It'll be my first 4ch. plane. I've had 4/6ch. helicopters but don't know how well I'd do.
Great video for us newbies just learning about rc helis! NOT! Did not even know what the video was trying to show except for the title. Maybe next time try talking and pointing out exactly what we're supposed to be seeing or not seeing! FAIL!
@TKDMario08 i posted this video 4 years ago, it was part of a discussion forum on rcgroups and rcuniverse and it made more sense in the context of those forums. their is however a simple description of what the video is supposed to be showing in the video description.
If your just getting in to the hobby you should subscribe and check out my reviews, i regularly review some of the latest greatest consumer RC aircraft out their, i just did one on the worlds smallest rc heli.
@lerlo I almost got a 4g6, but i got the mcx instead, i've wanted a trex 450 since i watched the 2005 indoor rc competition when Jason Krause took the gold with a trex , if you ever decide you don't want it anymore let me know.
@taoistflyer Mine was a Trex 450XL 6-7 years ago....I have pretty much changed everything on it with copter x and HDX parts. Now one can get really good trex copies for less than half the price. Take a look at hobbyking. But I think CopterX is of decent quality. Better to get a brand new copy than a second hand align.
my blade 400 used to stick slightly when it was stock plastic
ive converted it to full alloy parts and its much better,
i think with low quality cp helicopters you will get this due to the quality of the parts used in the head setup, some people change these out into alloy parts but on such a small helicopter its not really worth the cost
ild say save up for a better reputable helicopter, and dont scrimp on cost for radio gear, servos etc, your heli will only fly as good as the parts allow
Dude the blade cp is just like that, it sucks balls. I was flying and a slight backwards throw made the blades hit and snap the tail boom and i lost the gear and rod for the tail rotor.
yes this heli is a shit, the same thing hapen to me, but i dont care and i learn to fly with it, (if you want check my vid) now im flying a belt cp v2 and its a exellent heli
you do know that is caused by the rubber gaskets in the feathering shaft assembly. it's designed to do that. to reduce the delay, you just install more shims on the feathering shaft.
it wouldn't make sense to design the head to be unable to hold its pitch angle,
At full thrust the pitch angle only goes up to about 2, then with a little cyclic input the collective jumps to 9 with no warning. I've rebuilt the head a few times and tried adding shims, but it never fixed the problem, I need to replace the head.
when your head is made of plastic you need give. look at the aluminum head upgrade, it doesn't use rubber spacers since aluminum can withstand the stresses.
Thanks, it really does need to be aluminum, I almost bought an aluminum head and blade grips a year or 2 ago but it would have cost the same amount as the whole heli.,
This one was manufactured nearly 3 years ago, the industry has come a long way since then so spending money upgrading this heli just doesn't seem right.
@taoistflyer yeah, it's never worth it to upgrade to alluminum. I'd say if you can fly this heli, go out and buy a trex 450 or other similary designed aircraft.
@RoboTekno I do need something at least as capable as the 450, when I decreased the pitch settings to stop it from stalling it wouldn't get off the ground because the head speed was to slow, and increasing the head speed any faster then it was put to much stress on the tail motor, I had a few burn out in mid air.
Your dead right. I have the same type of plastic rotor head assembly and it is hard to fly. i can hover, but only just and its very difficult even when there is no wind what so ever.
Better to buy a nice billet alloy head with a petrol motor in it. The smell alone is worth it!
im afraid everyone is correct, thats a twister CP, worst 3d heli in human history, definately the honey bee is a million times better, then the twister belt CP then the blade 400, try replacing the main shaft, and its bearings and the ccpm and headwork from a belt CP or blade 400
thats not a sticky "collective" responce collective refers to the changing of the main blade pitch angle also known as feathering. the movement on your video displays a laging cylic responce due to gyroscopic precession. its partially because of the head being light weight plastic.
When I say sticky collective I mean when I raise the thrust all the way the collective only goes to about 3 degrees, then as soon as I give it some cyclic pitch to move forward, reverse, left or right the collective pitch jumps instantly to about 9 degrees, and the heli jumps up about 50 feet.
The esky honey bee cp2 is one of the best collective pitch trainer rc helicopter. If you can't fly it, you can't fly any other collective pitch helys. :)
i'm going to assume that's fixed pitch so it would be cyclic pitch that you are talking about. collective would be when the pitch of the blades would increase or decrease over the entire area cyclic.. well cycles through pitches to create more thrust in diffrent areas of the rotor circle creating controled flight.
Actually I am talking about collective pitch unexpectedly changing.
This is a CP heli,
When I first lift off If I go to 100 percent thrust my collective pitch only goes from 0 to about 4 degrees.
But if I quickly push the directional stick changing the cyclic pitch, the collective pitch jumps from 4 degrees at 100 percent thrust to about 9 degrees at 100 percent thrust.
In the vid watch how the collective pitch automatically jumps up and stays high as soon as the cyclic pitch is used.
i have a honey bee cp2 and i found i had the exact same problem when i got it, all it turned out to be was two tiny little washers on the outside of the blade grips nearest the little screw. a small and big washer, all you have to do is swap them around. i hope this helps, happy flying:-)
If you want I can send you a manual of how to balance your cp2. And how to put a protection fuse to avoid the main and tail motors to burn. Just send me a private msg and I'll give you my MSN, ok?
It looks like the swashplate is either sticking or sloppy. But now that you already know how to hover...
Don't bother upgrading these cheapo helis. Get a solid copterx, they're going for $60 and no more $40 batteries. Use zippy/rhino 3s which is like $20!
You should really trash that heli or sell it on flea bay and get at least a 450 or 500 size heli, much bigger, more stable, hold up better just overall a better machine. Get Align or one of the clones you can't go wrong, of course you will have more $ in it but what goo is being cheap and frustrated all the time. Spend the loot and enjoy the heli, you only live once, lifes too short to waste time on shitty helis.
last time I did anything with this one was over a year ago, I brought it to the LHS looking for a battery, the owner said in no uncertain terms, "it's time for you to get a real mans heli"
It's true, it's better to spend the money up front and enjoy flying then it is to go cheap, In the long run you'll spend more with a cheep heli just trying to keep it in the air.
The sticky collective on my CP2 is so bad that I can flick the Idle Up switch form rest and it won't take off :-D, and even when it does it yo-yos violently. Total shit.
I had the same problem with my cp, the batery died after a little more than 10 flights, I bought another one and this time the motor wouldn't get enough rpm's.changed the motor for the same one but instead of a 10 th. gear, it had a 9 th. gear (wich is suposed to give more torque)... kept giving me problems, it would not lift itself off the ground, i added/reduced pitch and nothing...LOOKS BETTER NOT FLYING. If anyone ofers me a $100 for the heli, Tx, Rx and servos ill take them no hesitation
two things sounds like a bad battery pack, your head speed is not high enough for stable flight. the lipos that come with the heli are junk and 11c.. get a 25c 11.1v lipo pack from your local hobby shop. made all the difference for me... 2nd I found with mine the transmitter had a bad potentiometer in it right out of the box. it took three crashes for me to figure this out. I guess you get what you pay for!!!!
I have a Twister CP Gold (with none of these problems), the rotor head is identical, except for one bit. The swash plate is aluminium. I am sure the strange changes in pitch are to do with the plastic swash plate sticking and having too much give in the baring.
Try WD40 and see if that sorts it out, otherwise upgrade the swash plate and your problem should be sorted.
Ahhh, I didn't realise you'd had it for that long. There is a strong possibility that your motor is f****d. If the blades set with the correct pitch (using a pitch gauge), can't lift the heli off the ground at about 60% throttle stick, then the head can't be spinning quick enough. As far as I know that can only be the motor.
If you change over to the aluminium rotor head, and the problem only get worse (the metal head is heavier), then you have your answer. Change the engine!
the motor is totally F***ed, I had to replace it with a motor from a blade cp.
It worked a little better for a few days, but the excessive strain from the poor pitch settings killed it as well as my battery. For it to run properly I need a new motor rotor and battery, all together those parts cost more then I spent on the helicopter to begin with.
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where signals get lose ??? this could be your case if you continue flying you helicopter inside of an metal structure building,however thanx for showing us
Looks to me like your bladegrips are way too loose. Stop video at the 1:20 mark, and look how the blades drop. They should remain at 90 degrees to the shaft ? Right?
I usually keep them much tighter, the day I made this video I had removed them and rebuilt the rotor head at least 3 times, when I decided to film what the heli was doing I just loosely screwed the blades back in to the blade grips, but it still does this even when the blades are tightly griped.
I think I really need a new rotor head. it still has the stock one and I think it's had it's day in the sun.
add some WD40 to the main shaft, my friend had this prob. i have one of these its cost more to actually fly then actually buying it. You should get a mini titan though expensive its worth it.
One reason to spend money on a good heli instead of buying a cheep one and fixing it.
When I increase my throttle my pitch only goes up a little bit but as soon as I give it sum cyclic input the collective pitch dramatically increases. When I stop the blades and spin them up again the same thing happens. It only seams to hold the maximum pitch settings while the blades are spinning, on th. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!
when I increase the collective pitch to say about 75 percent, it holds the pitch angle but as soon as I give it some cyclic pitch the collective pitch angle increases about 50 percent, so basically I have to bring it to full power before it lifts off the ground, then if I move the cyclic pitch around the collective pitch jumps up and it starts flying correctly. I don't know if this makes any more sense.
I have the SAME problem but when I get my throttle up to around 60 - it will not increase the pitch anymore. It just stays there and no matter what I do it won't take off- im so pissed and cant find anyone to help me fix it
Best suggestion I have found is upgrade the rotor head to an aluminum head and grip set, add a heading hold gyro, and upgrade the servos.
of cores this will end up costing more then the helicopter in the long run. I stopped using this helicopter after it burnt up my second 40 dollar battery in about a week.
I felt the same way at first, it took me a few weeks but I was looking at other helicopters in not time.
It's like getting out of a bad relationship, you don't want to get in to another one, but after a while the urge is to great you can't resist. Do you have a 4 channel coaxial helicopter like the esky lama v3.
yeah i actually may have figured out my problem - I spoke with another youtuber by the name of nightflyyer and he asked about my battery. I have a 12V LiPo now. It only holds a charge of 7V. He thinks thats my prob. . . do you think the $40 battery is worth a try?
That may be a part of the problem, but something had to cause the damage to the battery in the first place, they can be damaged by cheap charges or heat, but the damage usually comes from excessive strain on the battery.
the fact that the rotor head can not hold the proper pitch settings consistently means the battery has to constantly change the amount of voltage it's giving just to keep up, after a few flights this will kill the battery, and waste money you could spend on a new head or grips.
If your battery can't hold a charge it will eventually need to be replaced, but i would suggest looking in to upgrading the blade grips first. the honey bee blade grips are pretty sticky, upgrading just the blade grips to aluminum may be the least expensive way to get the rotor head working properly, after that you could replace the battery safely. you can also put a fuse on the main motor and tail motor so they wont damage the battery during bad wrecks,
Is there any chance that your motor is bogging down because of too much pitch. I have an aluminium rotor hub as well as a plastic one. When I swap to the aluminium hub I have to change all the linkage arm lengths, otherwise there is too much pitch and the heli can't even get itself off the ground. It should only take a tiny amount of pitch to get off the ground, but with a nice high head speed.
that is part of the problem, for me to get enough pitch to get off the ground I have to set the blades at their maximum pitch setting, It bogs the motor down and damages the battery.
If I lower the pitch settings to the proper suggested pitch settings it just sits on the ground or will only hover a few inches at full thrust.
With a metal rotor head and blade grips the problem wouldn't be their
plus check out (night flyyer) he will teach you every thing you need to know bout helis.. plus this 1... he was the 1 who came up with the electric tail rotor motor
I've seen a lot of his vids, including the one wear he discuses building "the first" heli with a tail motor. It's true he put a motor on his helis tail first, but it was only recently that someone else cam up with the software to make it work. without the mixing software it is almost impossible to fly.
I couldn't get the head speed up any higher then what you see in the vid, that's part of the reason for the extra pitch, when I reduced the pitch, (and I tried hundreds of variations)
it wouldn't get enough pitch to fly.
The main problem is the rotor head is way to loose. It can't even hold negative pitch.
I originally set it up for zero at mid stick, but it never had enough pitch to lift off the ground like that even at full collective, When I increased mid stick to +5 it finally flew. The rotor head on mine is as loose and reliable as a Vegas stripper.
Your spindle is bent. That's what causes the shutter in the start up sequence (and when you push the ailerons up). Also it looks like you blades aren't balanced (close, put no cigar). Once you fix these issues, you'll get rid of the shuttering.
the problem goes beyond that, the rotor head will not hold the pitch that I am giving it, their is way to much play in the rotor head, I've checked the shaft and it is straight, I've re built the rotor head a few times, and it still has way to much play in it. I should replace it with an aluminum one. I may just take it to the shooting range one day.
I know, I would really like to try out a blade 400, I have heard a lot of good things about it.
Of cores I should just start buying a piece at a time of a t-rex se until I have one built. 1200 dollars is a lot to spend all at once, but over time it's a little more manageable.
I think the Honeybee king 2 is a really good helicopter. The only problem i have with mine is that you need to upgrade it. Like the stock motor burns out and you have to get the metal upgrades or you will be buying cheap crappy little plastic parts when you crash.
I wanted to upgrade this ones rotor head and swash plate but it would have cost more then the helicopter did, I should have saved my money and got a blade cp 400.
eflights web site lists the Blade 400 at 469.99 I,ll send you a link.
my honey bee cp 2 cost me around 170 dollars up front and around 200 dollars in spare parts and wasted time. and it NEVER flew well, it was always trying to crash at every second. and it was a bitch to get it perfectly tuned.
I know that this is old post, but there is well known solution to that problem.
HB CP2 series had problem with badly placed washer in the blade grips. All you have to do is to disassemble blade grips and flip the washers next to the bearings, so that they touch the bearing with the bent side, not the flat one.
I do need to replace the center hub the rubber grommets don't sit flat in it I had to grind down one of the housings just to get the two grommets to fit the same.
Yea, I went back and watched the video and see you are using the Lipo battery. I am flying the cp with lipos. My friend and I have had some CX Lipo batteries go bad on us. We noticed by "reduced flight time" Sooner or later we lost about 90% of our flights on the suspect batteries. I think there too expensive to have fail so soon. Jojo
I've personally gone through 3 cx batteries and to cp batteries. Your right They are a little to expensive to go dead so easily. The E-flight batteries are a little better then the e-sky ones.
I managed to clean up the sticky pitch by completely disassembling the blade grip assembly and reassembling it freshly oiled. I also had to machine down one of the housings for the rubber grommets to make it fit flush, but I think I killed my battery because now the helicopter looses voltage after less then a minute of flight and then it drops out of the sky.
I took apart the rotor head and blade grips and then put them back together but i couldn't get it to stay in the air after that, It seams like i may have damaged my battery, it lands itself after only a few seconds of flight it's either the battery or i messed up the blade grips. if you have any suggestions i would be glad to hear them.
Hey Taiostflyer you should get a Walkera v120d02, or a m120d01. the m120d01 is like the v120d02 just carbon fiber. or Maybee a Walkera tri-blade. I just want someone reasonable to try out a walkera flybarless heli to see how it compares to the mCP X.
dittsboylogan 7 months ago
@dittsboylogan i would love to do the comparison if i can get my hands on them, i tried out a T28 micro Trojan recently and loved it, i should have a review coming soon.
taoistflyer 7 months ago
@taoistflyer Once I get some extra allownace money, or chores I've made the decision to get the Parksone Micro T-28 Trojan. It'll be my first 4ch. plane. I've had 4/6ch. helicopters but don't know how well I'd do.
dittsboylogan 7 months ago
@dittsboylogan you'll love it, the servos are very responsive and you can loop and roll really easily, it is very stable and it is quick to respond.
I had a lot of fun flying it, and it even has a steerable nose gear.
taoistflyer 7 months ago
@dittsboylogan looking to trade my psp go white for rc helicopter it has some down loaded games
TheRandyrog 2 months ago
yeah because they're a piece of Crap!
DaveStarr4 11 months ago
Great video for us newbies just learning about rc helis! NOT! Did not even know what the video was trying to show except for the title. Maybe next time try talking and pointing out exactly what we're supposed to be seeing or not seeing! FAIL!
TKDMario08 11 months ago
@TKDMario08 i posted this video 4 years ago, it was part of a discussion forum on rcgroups and rcuniverse and it made more sense in the context of those forums. their is however a simple description of what the video is supposed to be showing in the video description.
If your just getting in to the hobby you should subscribe and check out my reviews, i regularly review some of the latest greatest consumer RC aircraft out their, i just did one on the worlds smallest rc heli.
taoistflyer 11 months ago
Ive got a 4g6s, man Its awesome, I fly that now and my trex 450 is just sitting on the shelf.
lerlo 1 year ago
@lerlo I almost got a 4g6, but i got the mcx instead, i've wanted a trex 450 since i watched the 2005 indoor rc competition when Jason Krause took the gold with a trex , if you ever decide you don't want it anymore let me know.
taoistflyer 1 year ago
@taoistflyer Mine was a Trex 450XL 6-7 years ago....I have pretty much changed everything on it with copter x and HDX parts. Now one can get really good trex copies for less than half the price. Take a look at hobbyking. But I think CopterX is of decent quality. Better to get a brand new copy than a second hand align.
lerlo 1 year ago
@lerlo willing to sell your trex 450?:P i really sant 1:(!
mysteryimpt 1 year ago
u smell smoke? lmao
donaldgrump 1 year ago
my blade 400 used to stick slightly when it was stock plastic
ive converted it to full alloy parts and its much better,
i think with low quality cp helicopters you will get this due to the quality of the parts used in the head setup, some people change these out into alloy parts but on such a small helicopter its not really worth the cost
ild say save up for a better reputable helicopter, and dont scrimp on cost for radio gear, servos etc, your heli will only fly as good as the parts allow
puggster 1 year ago
RC in the title, fucker.
yonigga223 1 year ago
@yonigga223 boo hoo, grab a tissue for your issue
davedolby85 11 months ago
Dude the blade cp is just like that, it sucks balls. I was flying and a slight backwards throw made the blades hit and snap the tail boom and i lost the gear and rod for the tail rotor.
shiznapps 1 year ago
yes this heli is a shit, the same thing hapen to me, but i dont care and i learn to fly with it, (if you want check my vid) now im flying a belt cp v2 and its a exellent heli
labperck 1 year ago
looks like a bent (is it bent or bend or watever?) shaft
heberorozco 1 year ago
is that the Exceed RC Eagle 50 for $99.00?
mynamegoshere1 1 year ago
@mynamegoshere1 no it's a honey bee CP2
taoistflyer 1 year ago
you do know that is caused by the rubber gaskets in the feathering shaft assembly. it's designed to do that. to reduce the delay, you just install more shims on the feathering shaft.
RoboTekno 2 years ago
i'm pretty sure it's not designed to do it,
it wouldn't make sense to design the head to be unable to hold its pitch angle,
At full thrust the pitch angle only goes up to about 2, then with a little cyclic input the collective jumps to 9 with no warning. I've rebuilt the head a few times and tried adding shims, but it never fixed the problem, I need to replace the head.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
when your head is made of plastic you need give. look at the aluminum head upgrade, it doesn't use rubber spacers since aluminum can withstand the stresses.
RoboTekno 2 years ago
Thanks, it really does need to be aluminum, I almost bought an aluminum head and blade grips a year or 2 ago but it would have cost the same amount as the whole heli.,
This one was manufactured nearly 3 years ago, the industry has come a long way since then so spending money upgrading this heli just doesn't seem right.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
@taoistflyer yeah, it's never worth it to upgrade to alluminum. I'd say if you can fly this heli, go out and buy a trex 450 or other similary designed aircraft.
RoboTekno 2 years ago
@RoboTekno I do need something at least as capable as the 450, when I decreased the pitch settings to stop it from stalling it wouldn't get off the ground because the head speed was to slow, and increasing the head speed any faster then it was put to much stress on the tail motor, I had a few burn out in mid air.
if your ever in Dallas let me know, we'll go fly.
taoistflyer 1 year ago
Your dead right. I have the same type of plastic rotor head assembly and it is hard to fly. i can hover, but only just and its very difficult even when there is no wind what so ever.
Better to buy a nice billet alloy head with a petrol motor in it. The smell alone is worth it!
riderzx10r05 2 years ago
blade cp junk or not ?
420choky 2 years ago
blade cp pro is pretty good, the blade 400 is better.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
The Blade CP and Blade CP pro are essentially the same helicopter as the Honey Bee CP and CP2.
PHeMoX 1 year ago
that looks like the blade cp +? that would explain why mine shacks so much i have tried everything.
mowbo75 2 years ago
I have got a Honey Bee CP2 with similar problems. :-(
It spins up and at a point it jumps to the sky.
I tried to find what's wrong but couldn't. :-(
And yes I CAN fly CP helis (T-Rex, Falcon 3D, etc.) :-)
StevieG750912 2 years ago
ps.: sorry for my bad english
StevieG750912 2 years ago
the plastic rotor head, swash plate, and blade grips needs to be replaced with metal parts, the plastic parts just don't work.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
:-D
Thanx, but for that price that metal parts cost I can buy a complete HK-450 :-)
StevieG750912 2 years ago
im afraid everyone is correct, thats a twister CP, worst 3d heli in human history, definately the honey bee is a million times better, then the twister belt CP then the blade 400, try replacing the main shaft, and its bearings and the ccpm and headwork from a belt CP or blade 400
giocattolo011 2 years ago
I am new to helis and watnt o find out about them b/c Im getting one, where is the problem I don't see it?
geedunk13 2 years ago
thats not a sticky "collective" responce collective refers to the changing of the main blade pitch angle also known as feathering. the movement on your video displays a laging cylic responce due to gyroscopic precession. its partially because of the head being light weight plastic.
steveokneivo1 2 years ago
When I say sticky collective I mean when I raise the thrust all the way the collective only goes to about 3 degrees, then as soon as I give it some cyclic pitch to move forward, reverse, left or right the collective pitch jumps instantly to about 9 degrees, and the heli jumps up about 50 feet.
it is mainly due to the cheap plastic rotor head.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
The esky honey bee cp2 is one of the best collective pitch trainer rc helicopter. If you can't fly it, you can't fly any other collective pitch helys. :)
More and more practice
good luck.
Flap1987 2 years ago
i'm going to assume that's fixed pitch so it would be cyclic pitch that you are talking about. collective would be when the pitch of the blades would increase or decrease over the entire area cyclic.. well cycles through pitches to create more thrust in diffrent areas of the rotor circle creating controled flight.
motoballz 2 years ago
Actually I am talking about collective pitch unexpectedly changing.
This is a CP heli,
When I first lift off If I go to 100 percent thrust my collective pitch only goes from 0 to about 4 degrees.
But if I quickly push the directional stick changing the cyclic pitch, the collective pitch jumps from 4 degrees at 100 percent thrust to about 9 degrees at 100 percent thrust.
In the vid watch how the collective pitch automatically jumps up and stays high as soon as the cyclic pitch is used.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
Okay i watched it again and i can see/hear what you mean lol. Thanks for the feedback?
motoballz 2 years ago
ughh plss tighten your blades
colbyj14 2 years ago
They are usually tighter, when I made this video I had removed them and rebuilt the blade grips 3 or 4 times.
I just quickly slipped the blades back on and filmed it but I didn't tighten them all the way down.
The loose blades weren't causing the problem though, this helicopter is just under powered with excessive slop.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
That would be cyclic George.
motokid032 2 years ago
i have a honey bee cp2 and i found i had the exact same problem when i got it, all it turned out to be was two tiny little washers on the outside of the blade grips nearest the little screw. a small and big washer, all you have to do is swap them around. i hope this helps, happy flying:-)
pipin024 2 years ago
That was one of the first things I tried. It helped a little, but their was still slop from the servos to the blade grips.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
First thing: put its servo arms in 90º and in the midlle arm's hole...
Second: Use a pitch gauge to set up 0º at midle throtle stick in Idle mode (Turn the main and tail motors off first).
I have 2 Esky cp2 and they are cheap but nice to fly outdoors.
Hope it helps.
SupRec 2 years ago
That's something I haven't tried yet. I still need to buy a new battery before I can do anything else with it.
If it works I'll let you know, thanks for your help.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
If you want I can send you a manual of how to balance your cp2. And how to put a protection fuse to avoid the main and tail motors to burn. Just send me a private msg and I'll give you my MSN, ok?
SupRec 2 years ago
i appreciate it.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
It looks like the swashplate is either sticking or sloppy. But now that you already know how to hover...
Don't bother upgrading these cheapo helis. Get a solid copterx, they're going for $60 and no more $40 batteries. Use zippy/rhino 3s which is like $20!
Good luck!
xn2206 2 years ago
helo can you kindly explain the problem to me pls im a beginer so |:P can u simplify it pls would really help thanks
keith18ad 2 years ago
You should really trash that heli or sell it on flea bay and get at least a 450 or 500 size heli, much bigger, more stable, hold up better just overall a better machine. Get Align or one of the clones you can't go wrong, of course you will have more $ in it but what goo is being cheap and frustrated all the time. Spend the loot and enjoy the heli, you only live once, lifes too short to waste time on shitty helis.
mgrande11 2 years ago
I need to get a shirt with that on it
"life's to short to wast on shitty helis"
That's great and so true.
last time I did anything with this one was over a year ago, I brought it to the LHS looking for a battery, the owner said in no uncertain terms, "it's time for you to get a real mans heli"
It's true, it's better to spend the money up front and enjoy flying then it is to go cheap, In the long run you'll spend more with a cheep heli just trying to keep it in the air.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
We all do that at one point or another (I had a blade cp). I just bought a Raptor 30, most fun I ever had with a heli
mgrande11 2 years ago
trop pourri !!!
jumpda53 2 years ago
the STORM 450 is cool i have one
nietpoepenAUB 2 years ago
The sticky collective on my CP2 is so bad that I can flick the Idle Up switch form rest and it won't take off :-D, and even when it does it yo-yos violently. Total shit.
Velktron 2 years ago
I had the same problem with my cp, the batery died after a little more than 10 flights, I bought another one and this time the motor wouldn't get enough rpm's.changed the motor for the same one but instead of a 10 th. gear, it had a 9 th. gear (wich is suposed to give more torque)... kept giving me problems, it would not lift itself off the ground, i added/reduced pitch and nothing...LOOKS BETTER NOT FLYING. If anyone ofers me a $100 for the heli, Tx, Rx and servos ill take them no hesitation
RFTAEC100 2 years ago
I should throw mine in to that deal as well, a hundred bucks, no questions asked.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
two things sounds like a bad battery pack, your head speed is not high enough for stable flight. the lipos that come with the heli are junk and 11c.. get a 25c 11.1v lipo pack from your local hobby shop. made all the difference for me... 2nd I found with mine the transmitter had a bad potentiometer in it right out of the box. it took three crashes for me to figure this out. I guess you get what you pay for!!!!
joady04 2 years ago
I have a Twister CP Gold (with none of these problems), the rotor head is identical, except for one bit. The swash plate is aluminium. I am sure the strange changes in pitch are to do with the plastic swash plate sticking and having too much give in the baring.
Try WD40 and see if that sorts it out, otherwise upgrade the swash plate and your problem should be sorted.
Hope this helps.
lkjasdf67 2 years ago
You're right on the money their. I really do need to get an aluminum rotor head for it, I've tried everything I can with the stock rotor head.
Of cores I've had this one for well over a year so it's about time for some major upgrades.
taoistflyer 2 years ago
Ahhh, I didn't realise you'd had it for that long. There is a strong possibility that your motor is f****d. If the blades set with the correct pitch (using a pitch gauge), can't lift the heli off the ground at about 60% throttle stick, then the head can't be spinning quick enough. As far as I know that can only be the motor.
If you change over to the aluminium rotor head, and the problem only get worse (the metal head is heavier), then you have your answer. Change the engine!
lkjasdf67 2 years ago
the motor is totally F***ed, I had to replace it with a motor from a blade cp.
It worked a little better for a few days, but the excessive strain from the poor pitch settings killed it as well as my battery. For it to run properly I need a new motor rotor and battery, all together those parts cost more then I spent on the helicopter to begin with.
I should have saved up for a blade 400 ..
taoistflyer 2 years ago
try shimming your t-block up to get the slop out of it... worked for me.
joady04 2 years ago
i have no exp in rc helicopters! till i saw one in ebay... alot of bidders!! so i won it it is blade mcx brand new only 100 bucks with extra lipo, blades and rotor blades... i flew it with no problems !! i love it 4 channel for rookie ! not bad now i am addicted e flite company is good stuff !! strong and high quality now i own 3 of it now i got my son and brother and nephew hooked to it ! now my buddies are into it ! try e flite blade mxc! ebay for 100 bucks
wowshark 3 years ago
the blade MCX is a great little helicopter.
I'm glad your addicted, you should do a video of you and your buddies flying.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
I have the SAME problem - anyone with experience - HELP!!!
N44949 3 years ago
have you ever hear of a faradai cage ???
where signals get lose ??? this could be your case if you continue flying you helicopter inside of an metal structure building,however thanx for showing us
stealhty1 3 years ago
Looks to me like your bladegrips are way too loose. Stop video at the 1:20 mark, and look how the blades drop. They should remain at 90 degrees to the shaft ? Right?
l8again49 3 years ago
I usually keep them much tighter, the day I made this video I had removed them and rebuilt the rotor head at least 3 times, when I decided to film what the heli was doing I just loosely screwed the blades back in to the blade grips, but it still does this even when the blades are tightly griped.
I think I really need a new rotor head. it still has the stock one and I think it's had it's day in the sun.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
Honeybee CP2? I have one of these, don't have any problems with (except slight crashing)
mysticalpotato86 3 years ago
try lubing the thing :P
speedstakerguy 3 years ago
sorry mate but what do you mean cheap?
and what expensive?
i have a belt-cp and flies GRRRREAT!
stratosjoebar 3 years ago
omg just fix it :p....i have 2 of those
a twister cp v2 and a blade cp pro ...just the same as yours and they fly great hehe
and you can allways make them better duh ,ive putted fins on mine .grtz mike
mikedenbroeder 3 years ago
fixed mine in all of 10 min. flys great
NitroPem 3 years ago
easy fix
NitroPem 3 years ago
if you turn your television on and place the copter in front of it on a table,throtle up the copter its easier to see where the balance problems are
sirnicholson 3 years ago 2
here man i have one of they and i can fly it quite well,
i think u need a new set of blade, i have modfiy my blades and they r soo much better
or your blades might not be balance enought
jacques19999 3 years ago
add some WD40 to the main shaft, my friend had this prob. i have one of these its cost more to actually fly then actually buying it. You should get a mini titan though expensive its worth it.
konohasblackjet 3 years ago
you are so right.
as the guy at the hobby shop said when I brought it in to get parts, " it's about time that I get myself a real mans heli"
taoistflyer 3 years ago
looks like a bent main shaft on the head , is this a century heli?
gibsonofficial 3 years ago
it's an esky heli
taoistflyer 3 years ago
is it the idle up your are aiming at?
just watching this video sound like a weak engine...
Trentaur 3 years ago
I think you might be right, but I think the rotor head is a big factor as well, it has a lot of play in it that I can't seam to get rid of.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
hi!
i think it might help usin a radio set that uses throttle curve? u think that could help?
either way it will be hard to adjust it without that curve unless the rotors arent fixed
Trentaur 3 years ago
One reason to spend money on a good heli instead of buying a cheep one and fixing it.
When I increase my throttle my pitch only goes up a little bit but as soon as I give it sum cyclic input the collective pitch dramatically increases. When I stop the blades and spin them up again the same thing happens. It only seams to hold the maximum pitch settings while the blades are spinning, on th. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!
Trentaur 3 years ago
when I increase the collective pitch to say about 75 percent, it holds the pitch angle but as soon as I give it some cyclic pitch the collective pitch angle increases about 50 percent, so basically I have to bring it to full power before it lifts off the ground, then if I move the cyclic pitch around the collective pitch jumps up and it starts flying correctly. I don't know if this makes any more sense.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
I have the SAME problem but when I get my throttle up to around 60 - it will not increase the pitch anymore. It just stays there and no matter what I do it won't take off- im so pissed and cant find anyone to help me fix it
N44949 3 years ago
Best suggestion I have found is upgrade the rotor head to an aluminum head and grip set, add a heading hold gyro, and upgrade the servos.
of cores this will end up costing more then the helicopter in the long run. I stopped using this helicopter after it burnt up my second 40 dollar battery in about a week.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
Yeah i dont think i will invest another 150 . . not worth it - i was new to the hobby and have now completly lost interest in it :(
N44949 3 years ago
I felt the same way at first, it took me a few weeks but I was looking at other helicopters in not time.
It's like getting out of a bad relationship, you don't want to get in to another one, but after a while the urge is to great you can't resist. Do you have a 4 channel coaxial helicopter like the esky lama v3.
it may be a way to renew your interests.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
yeah i actually may have figured out my problem - I spoke with another youtuber by the name of nightflyyer and he asked about my battery. I have a 12V LiPo now. It only holds a charge of 7V. He thinks thats my prob. . . do you think the $40 battery is worth a try?
N44949 3 years ago
That may be a part of the problem, but something had to cause the damage to the battery in the first place, they can be damaged by cheap charges or heat, but the damage usually comes from excessive strain on the battery.
the fact that the rotor head can not hold the proper pitch settings consistently means the battery has to constantly change the amount of voltage it's giving just to keep up, after a few flights this will kill the battery, and waste money you could spend on a new head or grips.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
If your battery can't hold a charge it will eventually need to be replaced, but i would suggest looking in to upgrading the blade grips first. the honey bee blade grips are pretty sticky, upgrading just the blade grips to aluminum may be the least expensive way to get the rotor head working properly, after that you could replace the battery safely. you can also put a fuse on the main motor and tail motor so they wont damage the battery during bad wrecks,
taoistflyer 3 years ago
Ok I will try that - first i will buy a new battery because i heard that could be a potentional quick and easy fix - it only holds 6V instead of 12V
N44949 3 years ago
Is there any chance that your motor is bogging down because of too much pitch. I have an aluminium rotor hub as well as a plastic one. When I swap to the aluminium hub I have to change all the linkage arm lengths, otherwise there is too much pitch and the heli can't even get itself off the ground. It should only take a tiny amount of pitch to get off the ground, but with a nice high head speed.
lkjasdf67 2 years ago
that is part of the problem, for me to get enough pitch to get off the ground I have to set the blades at their maximum pitch setting, It bogs the motor down and damages the battery.
If I lower the pitch settings to the proper suggested pitch settings it just sits on the ground or will only hover a few inches at full thrust.
With a metal rotor head and blade grips the problem wouldn't be their
taoistflyer 2 years ago
how much does this shit costs ?? i want one
th1nker21 3 years ago
you can get one for around 100 bucks now. but they are money pits.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
this happened to mine, i just sprayed my swashplate with some WD40 and it works great, never had this problem again.
14cyproit14 3 years ago
plus check out (night flyyer) he will teach you every thing you need to know bout helis.. plus this 1... he was the 1 who came up with the electric tail rotor motor
son8god8damn 3 years ago
I've seen a lot of his vids, including the one wear he discuses building "the first" heli with a tail motor. It's true he put a motor on his helis tail first, but it was only recently that someone else cam up with the software to make it work. without the mixing software it is almost impossible to fly.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
turn the pitch fix it when you hear that slow down at full throttle means the pitch needs to be reduced.. duhhhh
son8god8damn 3 years ago
I couldn't get the head speed up any higher then what you see in the vid, that's part of the reason for the extra pitch, when I reduced the pitch, (and I tried hundreds of variations)
it wouldn't get enough pitch to fly.
The main problem is the rotor head is way to loose. It can't even hold negative pitch.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
All heli's under 500 are garbage. Unless you super mod them.
domenicdalessandro 3 years ago
You hit the nail right on the head their.
It's sad how many helicopters are sitting in attics and basements gathering dust.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
just read the comments .....cp2
billgetsmail1 3 years ago
what the hell do i mean "just read the comments" who was i talking to. 3 months ago. sorry for sounding stupid .
billgetsmail1 3 years ago
3 months ago you asked what kind of heli it was, then you read the comments, so I think you wear talking to yourself, lol.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
what kind of heli is that.
billgetsmail1 3 years ago
a esky honeybee
1991BRabbit2010 3 years ago
you must set up head at mid stick to be 0 pitch
reason its bogging douring cyclic movments already you have more than 5 deg but now add the cyclic pitch pitch in with usually is 6 degrees
so at max stick +10 then cyclic 6 now it 16 and thats for normal
looks like at max yours would be 15 + the 6
21 thats alot for the CPP
sokal11 3 years ago
I originally set it up for zero at mid stick, but it never had enough pitch to lift off the ground like that even at full collective, When I increased mid stick to +5 it finally flew. The rotor head on mine is as loose and reliable as a Vegas stripper.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
servo problem? XD
SexRamones89 3 years ago
among other things, bad servos, links, rotor head, swash plate, battery, and so on.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
Your spindle is bent. That's what causes the shutter in the start up sequence (and when you push the ailerons up). Also it looks like you blades aren't balanced (close, put no cigar). Once you fix these issues, you'll get rid of the shuttering.
seniorortega 3 years ago
the problem goes beyond that, the rotor head will not hold the pitch that I am giving it, their is way to much play in the rotor head, I've checked the shaft and it is straight, I've re built the rotor head a few times, and it still has way to much play in it. I should replace it with an aluminum one. I may just take it to the shooting range one day.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
blade cp pro is better but blade 400 is even better!
pitboss111 3 years ago
I know, I would really like to try out a blade 400, I have heard a lot of good things about it.
Of cores I should just start buying a piece at a time of a t-rex se until I have one built. 1200 dollars is a lot to spend all at once, but over time it's a little more manageable.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
I think the Honeybee king 2 is a really good helicopter. The only problem i have with mine is that you need to upgrade it. Like the stock motor burns out and you have to get the metal upgrades or you will be buying cheap crappy little plastic parts when you crash.
retsnom92 3 years ago
I wanted to upgrade this ones rotor head and swash plate but it would have cost more then the helicopter did, I should have saved my money and got a blade cp 400.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
how much is it?>
Saphiregun 3 years ago
eflights web site lists the Blade 400 at 469.99 I,ll send you a link.
my honey bee cp 2 cost me around 170 dollars up front and around 200 dollars in spare parts and wasted time. and it NEVER flew well, it was always trying to crash at every second. and it was a bitch to get it perfectly tuned.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
Interesting comments, I got a CP2 under some advisement, mines a cow to set up and like yours, prefers crashing in hard.
Just got myself a contra rotator to learn on before the CP2 comes back out to play!
subdvr 3 years ago
That's the way to do it, I'm still waiting on my alien jump jet to arrive. I hope it's as cool as it looks.
taoistflyer 3 years ago
what heli is that?
zam640 4 years ago
It's the honey bee cp2. i should have saved my money and got the belt cp. It would have been cheaper in the long run.
taoistflyer 4 years ago
I know that this is old post, but there is well known solution to that problem.
HB CP2 series had problem with badly placed washer in the blade grips. All you have to do is to disassemble blade grips and flip the washers next to the bearings, so that they touch the bearing with the bent side, not the flat one.
grusin83 4 years ago
I will do that, i have rebuilt the head a few times, and it's hard to know if it was ever put back together correctly.
Thank you grusin83,
some day I'll put a metal head on it.
taoistflyer 4 years ago
so you mean sticky pitch is you apply a throttle to a fixed position.
then tilt swash forward/backward/left/right and then release, and the motor reduced speed?
i think i may have similar problem with you even though i have changed the nut's position...
lyclycsms 4 years ago
I had the same problem with my pitch. And what I did was buy both a new center hud and drive shaft. Turns out that was the solution to the problem.
ErrolMaster 5 years ago
I do need to replace the center hub the rubber grommets don't sit flat in it I had to grind down one of the housings just to get the two grommets to fit the same.
taoistflyer 4 years ago
Yea, I went back and watched the video and see you are using the Lipo battery. I am flying the cp with lipos. My friend and I have had some CX Lipo batteries go bad on us. We noticed by "reduced flight time" Sooner or later we lost about 90% of our flights on the suspect batteries. I think there too expensive to have fail so soon. Jojo
SEEmeCP 5 years ago
I've personally gone through 3 cx batteries and to cp batteries. Your right They are a little to expensive to go dead so easily. The E-flight batteries are a little better then the e-sky ones.
taoistflyer 4 years ago
Have you had any luck on your pich problem yet? I'd be happy to give you any help I can...I'll check in tomarrow..Jojo
SEEmeCP 5 years ago
I managed to clean up the sticky pitch by completely disassembling the blade grip assembly and reassembling it freshly oiled. I also had to machine down one of the housings for the rubber grommets to make it fit flush, but I think I killed my battery because now the helicopter looses voltage after less then a minute of flight and then it drops out of the sky.
taoistflyer 5 years ago
I took apart the rotor head and blade grips and then put them back together but i couldn't get it to stay in the air after that, It seams like i may have damaged my battery, it lands itself after only a few seconds of flight it's either the battery or i messed up the blade grips. if you have any suggestions i would be glad to hear them.
taoistflyer 4 years ago