Forum Gallery 2008 Summer Show

[wildbaby31]

i had to do a project about kitsch painters...can someone tell me why is he considered kitsch?

[FredericWatts]

@wildbaby31 Because he calls himself a Kitsch painter first off. Your project is probably over the ironic kitsch painters like Jeff koons for instance. Rembrandts kitsch is serious, he isn't afraid of making a painting about people loving each other or having emotions.. things the 'art' world consider kitschy. Also because Art as a word and its viewpoint is nothing like what the old masters did, art was a word used by Kant and was adopted shortly after by the impressionists onward til today.

[repelghosts]

I have 7 Odd Nerdrum's eto date...my kids went to university thanks to him and my late friend Jean Michel Basquiat..

[sketchyfolk]

you own nerdrums??!

[zoas41]

Should see the current summer show, for my money Assael steals it. He's a painters painter. Color abounds.

[loafpork]

He's a great painter, but his compositions are all usually pretty boring, simple portraits. Nothing like Nerdrum's imagination.

[MrChubbington]

The pros and cons of art , whether it be figuratif or not. Personally I think the most important thing is personality , style and the effect it has on us the viewers. Also being an artist I like freedom and movement more then painfull figuratif representation. At least isn't rubbish , but I pity the artist who painted those stones! talk about monotony ! i paint professionally and I keep wqell away from paintings that brain damage you. I've done my fair share of figuratif art & it"s a pain !

[FredericWatts]

I don't see how he paints those stones either, just doesn't appeal to me in teh least bit, i hate looking at it. I like figurative art when it expresses, to me more fulfilling. Rembrandt... great example. 5 lines are enough if done well, just give me 5 damn good lines of great expression... sadly thats tough to find anymore. people wanna sit around and paint marbles and shit from photos... who the fuck cares.

[jimbobtwo2]

Thoughtful...as much as I do love painting of a realist nature...I have to agree with "rubenstein418" some realists are stiff and way too formal. It is fine that they paint wonderfully....."real art...realist or not...has to be indicative of the world we live in ..." like or not....they are consummate technicians...but not visionary artists. True vision...is reactionary and exemplary. What do we feel is more important that what do we see. All we are left with is sensation and memory.

[MsJony1234]

@jimbobtwo2 you can't look a book and say you've read and the same with art, with painting there is a lot going on thats not seen straight away but I would agree that a lot of art is stiff, but above all the 'shock art or modern art' is nothing more than price fixing and politics, where talent and craft are cut out of the work which is bull .

[mconesa52]

@jimbobtwo2 This is why I added contemporary elements to my realists and figurative paintings and it made a big turn in my art career… I like the classical tradition is part of my learning process but was forced to find elements that would make my style and subject matter a very unique one…

[szarlie]

beautiful and instructive

[robkiefer12]

Jacob Collins is better than any of these on display. Knowlege, Vision and Ability are returning to Art... at long last.

[rubenstein418]

bullshit.absolutely no intuition in his technique/process, nor is there any creativity or origanility in his subject matter/how it's presented.yea, he paint realistically, but illusion is not everything and a lot of artists could have taken that road.representational is fine, but at least interpret sensation without having a stick up your ass.look at his drawings. he's good at following the rules, he's put in the work,but he lacks anything that I would constitute as individuality/inspirational.

[robkiefer12]

Wrong on all counts. Some people are so insensate that they lump all representational painting into a photomechanical exercise... they happen to be the same people who lack any sensitivity to beauty. You don't see it because you're blind.

[rubenstein418]

that was my point.representational art cannot be lumped.but he is definetly a tight ass painter.his drawings are bargue drawings.even leonardo has spontaneity with accuracey.don't get me wrong he is very good.i do like his work(i was much too harsh),but he's not better than any of the artists on display.he paints with a learned process (looks like form painting).artists should be capable of working in choas,naturaly,without too much caution.look at nerdrum,he's a painter's painter.

[FredericWatts]

I agree with you rubenstein, and I am one all for collins as well. Much of this comes down to personal taste. We can't say collins lacks originality, for his paintings don't look like photographs, they have a naturalistic sensitivity, however they are probably tighter and more exclusive to reg viewers than most anything out there, other than photorealism, which should really be pissed on imo.

[FredericWatts]

But robkiefer12 is right in one regard, not to u idt, but most people are blind when it comes to art or visual things. Collins is way to challenging for most to look at, or even Lipking, Sargent, Velasquez (who are looser) and people read it as "ohh that looks JUST! like a photograph" AS if that was ever the purpose, its the subtle notes that make these artists great, and good painters like myself can tell they're not from photos, because they have emulated life, not imitated an imitation.

[rubenstein418]

I agree. He definitely has a unique style. I was just a little upset when he claimed he was BETTER than every artist on display. In terms of raw, natural talent, I think Nerdrum is unparalleled in contemporary painting. You cannot teach what he does. It's complete chaos but always beautiful. Collins has a process. Still beautiful, but easier to perfect and can be learned. Nerdrum changes faces, plays with tone, brushwork, color, landscape, fantasy, realism... he's got everything.

[JoaquinRestrepo]

Really intersting... Thanks for posting