Glowing Mountains- China

[waynealarsen]

Just like Centralia PA, they could never put out the fire and gave up the town

[akuyuumei]

I speak Chinese and the translation they have in the video is bullshit. Only about 10% of what the people are saying were translated, the rest were completely made up.

What the hell?

[starquant]

Ha ha. I had a larff watching those males oggling those girls. I guess that what happens when you MURDER half your population.

[MetelAdict]

I don't understand the language of the chinese people how off is the translation?

[dfvxc]

umm I'm taiwanese. I can confirm that the subtitles are completely, totally off.

[peymaania]

I like them Whorientals in Skimpy Green Threads! Lovely!

[sirhumphrey01]

The translation is completely off. The ppl are not complaining nearly as much as subtitles suggest. The woman w/ the mask actually says "I never felt it, maybe the elderly and kids do." The mask was prlly for SARS. And I highly doubt that 2:10 they are actually thieves allowing themselves to be filmed.

Journeyman, shame on you. I understand all documentaries make an argument and have inherent bias, but misrepresenting what people say completely compromises your journalistic integrity.

[sirhumphrey01]

And the people were probably only saying those things in response to leading questions. Then the questions are cut, and only the responses filmed. And even that, is then doctored thru mistranslation.

Seriously why would you invoke imagery of "hell's kitchen"? Would you say that about West Virginia's coal mines or Nevada's Great Basin? And why are people "just trying to survive" when that coal region is actually a booming one w/ a growth rate > 10% a year?

[stimsWonderland]

i don't get how the oxidation can cause so much heat but that you don't see it burning on the surface where you would suppose most of the oxidation occurs

[pronatalist]

To stimsWonderland:

Oxidation doesn't cause a lot of heat, at room temperature, but the exothermic heat builds up, and the coal fuel easily burns at the high heat levels that mount. It doesn't burn so much near the surface, due to the lack of fuel. Where the fuel is abundant, the oxygen wafts in slowly. So it's a hot inferno slow-burn, a reason why it isn't usually much a big deal.

Outsiders come in looking for a story, and distort story looking for gloom-and-doom the people don't perceive.

[IFTPOT]

How sad :-(

[strongestass]

the captions are just way off from what they were actually saying.

I wonder whether the translator has been telling stories.

[tjtesttesttest]

MICtheGUITARIST96, Are you stoned or just insane?

[GekkeKattendame]

Fantastic documentary. There's many points within that are worthy of deep discussion.

[leviraider]

Chip Tsao your country make a poisonous food,pirated cd dvd vcd,fake product,smaggler shabu or cocaine!!!!!!!!!!!

very weak country........

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[bottonlines]

CO2, CO, NOx, SO2 equals global warming. The sleeping giant awoke and ended the world we knew in less that 25 years.

Thanks to Wal Mart, their director Hillary Clinton, they changed the world for the worst. So much for cheap products, big margins, look into the mirror-it's made in China, we're all to blame. DON'T buy China's products; may slow this down and maybe we will get a few years more. You buy, you do, We're Done!

[dragonext]

lol nice idea in theory but not gonna work,almost every country in the world sends its trash to china which is protected by certain laws preventing china from battling the polution.thier people are dieing from our polution and not shoping from walmart wont change it. but its a nice thought, wish had the money to help battle the polution in china.:( thier people are so sweet and kind its shame they suffer for our hapiness.

[beareroftruthiness]

China has too many people. She needs to move North to Russia. Russia has low population and big land mass. I am surprise that China has done mass migration yet.

[Ironzealot7531]

i think russia might have something to say about that

[Foul4sight]

XD yeah. Well put.

[pronatalist]

To beareroftruthiness:

Yes, I agree that migration is a useful tool among toolbox of methods to allow already huge human populations to grow huger.

But does Russia welcome massive hordes of Chinese immigrants? If so, no problem?

There are so many alternatives that can welcome Chinese to go on enjoying having traditionally very large families. All countries can grow naturally even without growing room land. Simply populate denser also. Can build enormous cities or rows of crowded highrises.

[pronatalist]

To beareroftruthiness:

China does not have too many people, but probably could use more jobs

China has a huge land mass also, and could be properly developed and could grow far denser with people, as need be

People in China has just as much basic natural primal right/duty to push out their babies just as fast as their bodies reproduce, as anybody throughout the world

I agree to let nations overflow with people into outside regions, but it's not really needed, and what of respect for borders?

[kickiniitbak]

are much more advanced than china*

[kickiniitbak]

china is still a 3rd world country. necessities that we have in the states and much more advanced in china.. some parts and even in the major cities it lacks basic necessities as a clean public toilet. It is filthy over there compared to here. but i still love it especially shanghai

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange: Philosophy continued

Nature should remain somewhat wild I say, because we can't afford to "control" every aspect of nature

The planet can much more easily bear the rising human population "pressure," than people can be expected to struggle against nature to curb childbearing

Why exactly can't mountains in China glow with naturally burning coal? Especially if not too close to population centers? One way cost-effective maybe to fight it, is haul away coal before it burns up

[eurogoldexchange]

In Holland we had floods, and we build dams, we had epidemics, and we build sewers, we had acid rain and we banned sulfer, we had dead lakes, and we stopped nitrate pollution, we had an ozone hole and we banned CFKs. In china that kind of intelligence is not absent, rather than diffuse you thoughts with abstractions, you should recognize and deal with the real problems and choices you have.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange:

Aren't you giving good examples, of largely what I am talking about? I only want nature to be somewhat wild, meaning that we alter what is good and cost-effective for us. Most all jobs already alter nature to better support more people, since jobs usually serve people in some way or another

Growth was good, family size was "uncontrollable," which drove so many innovations to welcome larger denser populations, say like sewers and vaccines. But contraceptives slowed progress

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange: Philosophy

In the movie I think it was, some dystopia view of the future, Big Brother government wanted to eliminate "orgasm," because it's distracting from the needs of the Party. Who could agree with such an unnatural tyrannical world?

I accept I think, that world population has grown so incredibly huge, that some supposedly "artificial" means are need to support it. Say like flush toilets as an adaptation. Alter nature yes, but why "control" fetish? Nature can be wild.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexhange (P.S.):

As a pronatalist, I must oppose any barbaric "carbon tax" against babies, but rather consider babies the inevitable natural consequence of powerful human reproductive urges that compel people to pair up, marry, and push out their babies enjoying sex quite often quite regularly. I believe naturally multiplying human flesh throughout the world, is the proper outlet for that powerful reproductive drive.

Stop CO2 means nuclear but we haven't built anything for 3 decades!

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (wrap-up):

I am very against "cap and trade," because it is so unrealistic, a huge fraud, a barbaric "environmental" tax as if we didn't already have too many taxes upon an already Obama Depression, and because it refuses to make room for certain perhaps inevitabilities of a naturally-growing world population.

Not too many remote forest fires and underground coal fires should be fought, unless cost-benefit justifies intervention.

China's dirty because of communist rule.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (continued):

Yes, I want more and more human life on earth, so I advocate people don't use any means of "birth control," welcome natural large family growth, let heavily populated regions naturally grow larger and closer together, big cities, whatever helps more people to fit onto the planet

I like nuclear power for electricity, because of its promise to supply very huge and vast human populations. But enviros block nuclear, and machines require fuel, else animals, slavery?

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (round wrap-up):

I don't buy the dirty coal, dirty oil corporate conspiracy theories. Oh, I know, few giant corporations are great moral saints, but I think they largely sell the people what they want, not so much rig markets to prevent better alternatives. Truth is, not all technologies, nor nature, is all that safe. Humans are supposed to alter nature, we have to to keep multiplying people. But insulating people from nature is often cheaper than "controlling" nature.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (continued):

I hear where underground coal fires rage, and can't be controlled, it's so much cheaper to move villages of people than gloriously futile attempts to "control" every aspect of nature. Coal can ignite spontaneously, some long-burning fires have nothing to do with man's activities. I consider underground coal fires largely natural, something like uncontrollable volcanos. Cheaper to relax and let them spread naturally unchallenged.

Even nature isn't very clean.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (continued):

Hasty changes to "renewable" energy, doesn't pencil out economically, and higher energy costs are class warfare against the working poor. Supposedly better wind and solar doesn't work when the wind doesn't blow or sun doesn't shine, and can't compete without government subsidies, which send taxes soaring sky-high, eliminating jobs.

I think freedom and libertarian, if people want coal, let them produce coal. Stopping coal, underground fires would still spread.

[tubecoin]

Just use the day/night temperature differential for geothermic energy production.

[joonijoon]

your funny, China builds a coal power plant every two weeks, it has a large coal based energy infastructure, it cant afford to build technologically advanced none feasible infastructures at the moment, what China needs to do is focus most of its energy on it one child per family policy, eventually reducing its population to that of the U.S.

[eurogoldexchange]

No, you funny, you believe the only way forward is using techonlogy that will kill many of you children and grandchildren. You can't think straight, what if there was no coal? Would china be stopped from building themal solar electric power plants? How long would that take? No, you rather let your leaders kill you than stand up and do what is best for yourself..

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange:

I am very pro-coal, because I am pro-development and pro-natural population growth.

World population is vast and naturally growing denser, for some very good and understandable reasons. How can people have their precious darling babies in a world with so many people alive already? Simple. Populate denser,denser. But then, don't we need to develop most all economically viable energy, so as to not oppress working poor with sky-high energy prices and to power growing cities?

[eurogoldexchange]

My question would be simple: Do you want energy that will kill life and make it harder to survive for your children, or do you want to use a type that does not reduce their chances? If you choose coal, you are saying you just can't find another way, and you think the death of those that die of the polution and damage to the environment are the price you are willing to pay. How irresponsible and weak can you get?

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange:

You ask an either-or question, as if there were plenty of better options already available. But there aren't. We can't instantly switch to magical pie-in-the-sky technology solutions that aren't ready to go yet.

Coal of course, isn't perfect. But world population is already vast and denser, coal is abundant and cheap, and a growing world of people needs abundant and cheap energy

Already, coal is cleaner, because we burn it in power plants rather than in our homes for heat

[eurogoldexchange]

That is where you are wrong. Geothermal,Solar thermal, Wave and wind energy are perfectly proven technologies. You forget that coal power requires mining and transportation of coal, which makes it expensive. What is at stake is the postiion of people that manage these resources. They do not want to lose their power, and they are ready to cause death and destruction to hold on to it. To keep you distracted they make up the concept of clean coal. There is no such thing!

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange:

I am not wrong. I consider factors far beyond the ideal utopian nonsense of lib-tards. Solar and wind, works for rich geeks who have nothing better to do but tinker and use efficient LED lights now just coming out. But in commercial use, renewables are limited to small %, as backup standby power is needed.

I wish I could produce my own electricity. But busy workers don't have time/resources, so much easier to pay electricity bill.

Clean coal means fraud of burying CO2?

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (P.S.):

If you just eliminate coal mining jobs, what do you replace those jobs with? Poverty? Gold and silver mining? What if those deposits aren't near where the people live? I see in the video, poor people gathering coal in baskets on their backs. Would you disallow them from doing that? In the Bible, farmers are told not to clean their crop fields perfectly, leave a little bit for poor people to glean.

Why waste water on fires to make pretty steam? Leave fires burning.

[eurogoldexchange]

I would go after the big fish right now, no new coal plants, because using the same money you can have clean power. The poverty argument is just a debating tactic, do you know how many chinese are hit by drought and hunger (and poverty) because the coal soot in the air causes it to lose its rain to soon? Millions. If you want life on earth you need to let go of fossil fuels now, they where not burried in the ground for nothing.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange:

How can you tell China no new coal plants, when half our American electricity is from coal? Whatever "clean power" just isn't ready to go just yet, is too expensive, and the energy needs are already huge and China has a massive and growing population. Some say so many families ignore stupid barbaric requirements to have fewer children.

Coal burns cleaner in power plants, than in people's stoves at home. And utopian idealist ideas don't work when the people reject them.

[eurogoldexchange]

The argument that 'others are doing it, so should we' does not demostrate either moral fiber or understanding of the basis of your deicisions. Of course if you present the need for clean energy as a demand form the west you are mixing a resentment of external pressure into the debate. Sit back for a second and ask yourself what you would want for yourself (I guess both energy and good health for you and your children) and then wonder why it is not what you get right now..

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange:

It's not just that "others are doing it." It's much more so, that the enviro-radical arguments don't make any sense. "Cap and trade" would be disastrous to our economy. It won't even reduce CO2 emissions globally, because advancement and population growth in places like China and India prevent CO2 emissions from reducing. CO2 isn't dangerous to planet, or China would have doomed us already.

China developed hastily, which made them dirty. Hasty conversion will doom economy.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (continued):

What do I want for my children? I want possibly many children, so many other millions of parents want naturally big families as well. World population may continue to grow, and all nations should do their part to help the planet hold lots more people, by allowing themselves to naturally populate up denser with people, especially their natural increase, their very own children.

But enviros push "carbon tax" against babies, because they grow up and drive cars.

[eurogoldexchange]

If your mind stops at 'having children' you need somebody to stop you in the interest of other people and the planet. You are sharing your environment with others, and they need to agree on what you do.

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange

So in other words, you don't give a flip about freedom and personal responsibility? You just want Big Brother tyrannical government to swoop in with its idiotic nonsolutions for us?

I can agree that it's "everybody's business" especially in modern times how many children we have. However, that can't deny people their primal basic right to procreate. World population is spreading and densifying, and we adapt best to that, by embracing it

Nature's wildness requires #s spread

[pronatalist]

To eurogoldexchange (continued)

Let's look at why humans can't reasonably be expected to stop having so many babies. Why do you point the finger at me? The number of women of childbearing age, has naturally grown into the billions. So many, that they could do endruns around any attempt to control it. I read claim somewhere that world population growth is "beyond control." There's a billion teenagers soon to reproduce. It's not just me that objects to "artificial" and "much self-control" methods

[pronatalist]

To joonijoon:

I thought I heard that China each week builds 1 or 3 more coal power plants. I agree keep building, and the U.S. building more coal power plants, as here in the U.S., coal is half our electricity. World population is huge and still growing huger, and we have to do something. Better technology may be coming, but coal is still cheap, and enviro-radicals continue to block nuclear power. I am for natural large unplanned families

Let nature be "wild" somewhat, let coal fires burn wild

[o10ciano]

wow those han chinese dancer hate this place. wish they are in Macao...where the action are.

They will mate Old male German tourist or Old male Chinese Malaysia tourist...

[wuzyb]

Very bad language translation.

[bobdiabo]

What are the saying?

[dingyilin]

The English subtitle doesn't match what the interviewees say at all!

[seka1986]

journeymanpictures couldn't care less. They enjoy putting words in people's mouths.

[starview1]

China has some major political issues and no individual rights protection, from government.

This is going to be a big problem at some point.

[mwinahaha]

Wow, the subtitles TOTALLY do not translate what was said at all.

[mwinahaha]

*I mean for the Chinese.

[Chowdder]

LOL I totally agree.

[fuckapotomis]

I wouldnt know but everyone's saying it =p Thats whats so annoying about subs on the news they can be utter bullshit! I'm so learning mandarin.

[Sojourner87]

Holy shit indeed...who the hell translated this????? Worst journalism ever...it's more or less propaganda.

[realnachewa]

OMG!! I know wat is a lie now... The translate is like a chinese human talking to a moron buffalo... Sweet~ In chinese,'I'm ok with the air...'=In english, 'Sandstorm bla bla bla...' Can I still believe Journeyman Picture??

[ckwasi2006]

"Chinese" is ignorant-speak for "Asian". Don't try explaining it to them, it's no use. Also, great to know I'm not being shown what they're really saying.

[monkeyboyn25]

wow, the translation is so biased that it's worse than CNN or BBC

[letjennifer]

plus, the translation sucks, ppl did not mention the air quoilty too much, ppl were saying they didnt know so much abt the polution.

[gongdaweinan]

the translation does not match the interviewee's statement at all

[Choopmans]

gathering for the festivities.. or super short skirts

[starview1]

Chinas uncontrolled energy use has made it the largest polluter in the world, especially in the area of air,atmospheric contamination

[Synthe]

free quebec

[Sojourner87]

I was just in china backpacking for 2 months and the chinese live far greener than we do in Canada. In every city i went to, anytime I was in a highrise looking out across the landscape I saw a sea of solar panels. almost all toilets are low flush. Tonnes of bicycles and electric scooters. China pollutes so much because of its population and its manufacturing industry which feeds the west (notice how everythng we buy is made in china?). N. Americans are by far the biggest polluters per capita.

[starview1]

Sojourner87 The water,air and ground contamination is the worst in the world Westerners use technology indivdually because western overall standards are higher,china will be at that point soonand contamination will rise proportionately.China isthe largest airpolluter hands down. And china gov wants even more business,that equalsmore pollution China must handle now before it gets worse. Its outof control now China has a realmess especially the democracy folks in china VS the communists that hide

[Sojourner87]

starview, i feel that if you spend any significant time in the country, your views will most definitley change. Obviously you have already set views on the issue, probably informed by western media. Keep an open mind.

[starview1]

Sojourner87 Look, I want everyone in the world to have a better,safe life, but the fact is that china has major issues, world reports from human concern groups show that to be the case, Local stunning success as a result of western influence is occuring in china, and with that impowerment is occuring the quest for reform. Some folks back pack others choose hotels and long walks, some travel by horse and ox others by airplane

[DrWhiggs]

@Sojourner87 You're a liar.

[Discordia5]

@Sojourner87 A mind-blowing perspective, and very well put as well. Thank you!

[chocomocha]

if people stop putting christmas lights up.. then there will be less people suffering! .. stop using coal for useless things! .. Lights had nothing to do with Jesus!

[hexzerg]

Yes, but we need to use nuclear power. Because wind will not produce enough of what we use. The world uses an extreme amount of energy and you can't power that with wind.

[farenghi]

very interesting story... i had no idea.

this i know:

Our earth is so precious and precarious.

[chinesemusicDJ]

lol FINALLY!!!! Finally they put damn subtitles!

[budbrother]

Fuck china, they eat babies and still kill millions a year, sick bastards. Wait. They did get owned by japan.hahaha

[drukpamongol]

fuck you too..

when the mongol hordes reach your shore..we are going to kill more then a million of you people. We are going to wipe u out.

[ShinsengumiTaicho1]

budbrother, as someone of Japanese ancestry, I am offended that you would glorify the imperialistic rape of the Chinese people during WWII by Japanese militarists (who also brought suffering and misery upon their own people). Those sick sociopathic fucks who held the reigns of power in Japan during WWII are the most worthless type people:greedy, cowardly, opportunistic, unempathetic, mass murderers. What do you think it says about you when you glorify such useless, worthless people? Think.

[Synthe]

troll

[khattamshud]

JOURNEYMAN PICTURES IS A FRAUD

[reggoog]

the translation does not match the interviewee's statement

[jimmymokex]

False translation!

The translation is not even close to what those interviewers were really saying.

Anybody who know Mandarin well can tell you that.

[jimmymokex]

Misleading information is not acceptable!

[ShinsengumiTaicho1]

That is the worst Chinese translation ever. I was born and grew up in China and they didn't say anything like what the translations implied. Maybe you guys have a really bad translator or something but that first guy didn't say that he was "thinking about leaving". He said that at night when you go home, you can see the fog. And that woman wearing the face mask didn't even mention anything close to sandstorms.

[ravensaint]

Thank you for your input, I would have never known the difference. However, as you say, the comment about the sandstorms didn't really fit. No one in the whole clip mentioned anything about sandstorms, but then again it was hard to determine what was really mentioned.

[ShinsengumiTaicho1]

ravensaint, that was my Chinese girlfriend using my account. She's out of town so I'll respond for her. To clarify about the sandstorms, the woman at 4:19 in the face mask is subtitled as saying, "I wear a facemask because of sandstorms not because of poor air. The sandstorms can be very violent."

However, she never once actually mentioned sandstorms while speaking. My girlfriend was using this example to demonstrate that this translation is highly inaccurate.

[BernieFIST]

horrible fucking accent.

[busuanzi1987]

wow that place sounds like " Silent Hill"

[Rundstedt1]

This isn't only in China. There has been a coal fire burning in Centralia, Pennsylvania for 46 years. The only possibility of it being extinguished is when the coal is gone.

[divinacomedias]

Why not channel the heat for geothermal power?

[yellowman88]

China does use Geothermal power. They are actually ranked #1 for using the most geothermal power in the world.

I'm guessing they lack the funds to build a power plant around there. Not enough people live near the borders of the Gobi Desert so the government/businesses might not invest in such a project.

Its likely that the german scientist was hired by the Chinese government to find a solution to this problem.

[suyuanhang]

I think the report staff are good film makers.

[suyuanhang]

Actually, what they said sounds very vague and moderate. They weren't complaining, they said at least the pollution didn't affect their lives. And the woman with "facemask" didn't mention any word of sandstorm, she just said she didn't suffer.

[suyuanhang]

The translation is deliberately distorted. The residents didn't know what the reporter said to them.

[logicandfact]

Yeah, I also noticed that part. Are you talking about the interview of that man? What he said indeed does not quite match the subtitle...

[Membrane556]

My suggestion that China invest in green energy is for their own economic survival or there will be more of this crap and more land will be poisoned and rendered useless.

China just happens to have a the combination of cheap labor and a semiconductor manufacturing base which makes solar a viable option.

Solar panels last atleast 30 years if well manufactured besides it's best to start with a green infrastructure then field something that will have to be scrapped 15 years later.

[firefox8192]

abaasan are not the MONGOLIANS and THE CHINESE genetically the same? this is unaffected by politics, geography etc... and why r the CHINESE dirty and ur white friends not

[abaasan]

Kyoto Protocol affects policy which is something that I have no direct control over, other than electing government officials. And I agree with you, there needs to be changes made but to focus on the topic before you derailed it, is that wind and solar energy sources are not going to be the be it all and end it all solution. I think nuclear power can curb carbon reliance heavily in the near future while we develop a more permanent solution.

[abaasan]

Obviously you don't know much about Mongolians or Chinese if you can't distinguish the two. I'm a born and bred Mongolian from Outer Mongolia.

It's highly erroneous to say "mongolians and the chinese are the same people" as you did because

1. ethnically two totally different groups with completely different language and culture

2. although Inner Mongolia is apart of china and a lot of chinese and mongolian blood has been mixed (not just with Han chinese but other minorities) it is seperate

[cycimian]

Thats what i like about the free internet is the indiginous comments from the regions in topic, Being the outsider has given me a even ballance as to determining what ever vallances are criteria, From experiance in life when dealing with the aboriginal claims to domain, I tend to side on the indiginous peoples side, Call it olden from my own lifes experiances when mines play out and the communitys that hosted them are left to deal with the clean ups and destruction of enviroments.

[firefox8192]

the mongolians and the chinese are the same people (akumie)

[abaasan]

Hell no. Inner Mongolians are NOT the same same as the dirty Han Chinese.

[letjennifer]

plz, Chinese is a nationality not an ethnic group, there r 56 ethnic groups in China, Mongolian and Han r Chinese as long as u v got a Chinese citizenship. It is like English and Scotich r both Brithish. there r han, mongolian, tibeten, korea and many other ethnic groups in China. but Han takes more than 90% of the total population of China. also Han is 99% of Taiwan, more than 70% of sigapore and as ethnic minority of many countries, like thailand, malasiya, canada, US and so on.

[akumie]

since when is mongolia part of China?

[Schaedelnach]

Inner Mongolia is a part of china. it´s the name of the state.

Like New Mexico.

[Membrane556]

China really should put all the money they are wasting on a military build up into green energy like solar and wind instead.

[abaasan]

The thing is no matter how much you work towards "creating" something good for the environment it always requires energy to be built. Even electric cars require electricity from power plants that require coal to burn.

Building solar panels require the mass production of synthetic polymers, semi-conductors and plastics. All takes energy to create and also creates byproducts that usually cannot be recycled into nature.

[Membrane556]

That's the worst coal fire I've ever seen.

[lcbaudar]

Here we can see the unintended consequences of population growth & technology. These fossil fuels & petro chemicals are truly a double edged sword. It may nearly wreck the planet for the world to realize it.

[ilikeicecreamandcake]

is material wealth really more significant than a quality of life?

we seriously need to ponder that!!!!!

[horsesflu]

China has got to be one of the worst places in all of earth

[cycimian]

Petrolium/Coal,We have become hooked on as to all the modern comforts outside of heating and transportation, The petrochemicals and other biproducts are an industry that supports all other MFG.If by chance we could switch overnight to a renewable source like Plant Polymeres ect the real signifigance of both sources of Petro/Coal would still remain the easiest and less costly useing the systems in place currently.Our best chances to makeing these resources safer and more friendly comes in NEW R/D

[abaasan]

Although the R/D of new hydrocarbon sources for polymers and non energy needs can greatly reduce the necessity for petro/coal dependency, I don't think anything other than nuclear power can significantly affect the need for these sources for energy.

[firefox8192]

WHY DONT CHINA BUY OIL ?

[ilikeicecreamandcake]

they're signing deals in sudan, iraq and south america as we speak.

[faszika]

Move to the Off-Earth Colonies.

[12valvepower1]

with a higher coal price.. that means more pay for digger folk

[uch]

lol good point..but thats the international price on commodity exchanges if im not wrong...these people probably take wat they can get

[12valvepower1]

tofu china