this is bullshit. the old man have choosen the page that were already opened in the past, you can see it, the page 89 can't close at all, left a space and the guy pick that page O: lucky one
Derren Brown's written that he thinks speed reading is bull, just learning to skim, and if you can't read a book like that in 20 minutes, how on earth can you memorize it? this has to be a trick, but he doesn't usually just flat out lie like that... well sometimes... this is gonna drive me nuts.
Apparently Derren Brown can take your freaking tie off while distracting and bewildering you through various methods of misdirection.... I THINK he could manage a hidden camera on that pleasant little librarian (while getting him camera ready...) Now all you need is an earpiece... and andy nyman, or someone reading in your ear.
Remember that Derren Brown is an illusionist. He didn't memorize the whole dictionary. I bet he just memorized a few pages. He did a mind trick to get the person open on the page he wants to. For a clue on how he does it listen and watch the numbers that appear. When the clip starts there is a picture of the library clock tower pointing at 10 o'clock. Then he talks with the person that there are about 16 million books in the library. What page does he open the book at? 1016.
You're ALL retarded, he simply opens the book wide at 2 or three pages somewhere in the middle of the book, and memorizes them. It's creased in the center, so when the old dude opens to a random page, it'll be one of the pages he opened wide, I do it all the time with my Led Zeppelin music notes book, turns to Stairway every time ;D
Photographic reading, or having a photographic memory, is nothing new. Though rare, its something people are born with and develop, not something you can learn
The real intelligence for me in this clip was the old guy's response. As a librarian he is envious of the talent, but; "as a human being, I am happy (to be able) to forget.
i love Derren and his mind tricks, but this looks like a setup to me nd as derren sometime refers in his shows - showmanship..to impress his audience.
Photographic memory - he explains how it's done in there. I've read some books about that, I tried for a month and still can't get notable results.:( My memory improved slightly though..
@ssech6 wow you dont really know much or your being oblivious. search this on the internet. its called photographic memory. i can do it (not as well as him though). if you practice on how to do it, then you my friend, can do it too.
And since homosexuality is not seamingly about to vanish and seams to have been around for 10000 years in human history, nature seams to propose, that in some way, homosexuality in a society is evolutionary very stable and therefor absolutely natural. Admittadly a single homosexual is less likely to reproduce then a heterosexual but as a society as a whole, evidence suggests, that it is an important part of our species and possibly helps reproduction as a whole.
are you people SERIOUSLY arguing about homosexuality? why here? why ... now? you know what pisses me off?that in america, prop 8 was passed...ARGH....let them people marry and crap people! it's natural, for...happiness to be a priority.
Its weird how people suddenly decide homosexuality is ok out of nowhere. My memory of childhood and adoledence (not that long ago) i remeber people were against it inculding teachers and all my peers and all over television shows.
Now we have countless tv programs telling us its "ok to be gay". U people watch derren brown shows displaying how easily we are influnce and u cant see how u were munipulated to be "ok to be gay"
Yes because public oppinions are historically situated, but that doesen't mean it's not possible to debate them rationally. In my oppinion the tolerance about homosexuality is a genuine progress. If some people who are supportive of it now, would have been against it 20-30 years ago - so what?
@LeviathanRisingUp while i agree to let them do whatever they want because we are not anothers judge. i fully disagree with your statement that it is natural. it is as natural as any other disablility or deformity.
@mswagg30 i didn't say it was natural to be homosexual. I said it was natural for anyone to find their own happiness. it's natural for everyone to do what makes them happy.
@jmann114 You're right, but that also makes you a pessimistic. Either two choices, live and try to be happy, or live a crappy life. it's actually a choice and D. Brown taught me that. Good luck either way
How does make me a pessimist? You're throwing words in my mouth.
Why does that mean you have to live a crappy life? It is a choice, but the wrong choice. The mentality that it has to be a crappy life is exactly what I'm talking about. Do you just everything D. Brown says and apply it to your life? If D. Brown goes straight would you?
[continued...] The fact that you called me a pessimist is laughable. We live in a world of good and bad decisions. Just because I take the good and the bad doesn't mean I'm a pessimist. To throw away the bad to just keep the good would make you detached from reality. I'd rather be a pessimist than be detached from reality.
@jmann114 Well, i'm sorry mommy and daddy didn't love you when you were younger. Yes I said that to be mean. The point of my original post was to state that everyone was entitled to their own voices, opinions, style of living, and of course their right to live however way they want to. Go watch some nascar and drink some beer cause that's probably the lifestyle you probably know. and no, i'm not being serious.
I'm entitled to go fondle an 8 year old girl does that mean it's okay? The fact is you're so pissed off that prop. 8 got passed preaching "let them people marry and crap" but when are we able to get our say in it? In this day and age you can't be against anything or you're a bigot. It's hypocritical. I'm sure if we had straight pride parades it would be outlawed. Lmao.
@jmann114 well, my ill informed little buddy, but prop 8 was passed, saying that marriage can only be conducted between man and woman. It seems rather selfish. but yeah the straight pride parade would probable be allowed, it's just no one has the balls to say it
I just said in my last comment that prop. 8 was passed.
Lol it's not selfish. It's just some people think it's not right. WHAT!? Shocker, I know. It's nothing personal though. I found out one of my friends I've known since I was a little kid was bisexual about a week ago. We had a talk and I was honest with her. I told her I wouldn't ever judge her for something like that, but I was honest with her. I told her how I felt personally about it and she was fine with it.
So saying that homosexuality is unnatural, is simply a lack of understanding of the word. I asume, that are basing your argument on some form of darvinisme, about how reproduction is the core principal of life and so on. Now one thing about darvin is, that he doesnt say, this form of a certain species, like the absolute alphamale, is evolutionary ideal and the others will all be eradicated. He says that a constelation, a group of slightly different animals are evolutionary stable.
Hmmm I'm pretty sure you could do some mental exercises and eventually achieve that level of recall. Mine is more selected but if whatever I'm reading holds some sort of relevancy (in other words if it's interesting), I can usually recall any of it. Strange how I can't remember what I ate for lunch 2 days ago, but I can remember a conversation word for word from 9 years ago. The human mind is crazay.
Hes making a mental image of the whole page, meaning all all the shapes that lie on that page, he then looks at the mental image in his mind and reads off of it. Obviously he can't remember every single word in the dictionary.
Look up photographic memory if you're still confused.
The trick he does, is he gives a subliminal message, when he says: i believe there are SIXTEEN... million books in this library. So the guy looks trough the dictionary, feels comfortable at page 1016, which is the only page Derren memorized.
THe funny thing is that he's not actually photoreading. He's doing a booktrick, which I dont know how it works. If you read his book "tricks of the mind", you'll see he actually quite disagrees with everything they teach at a photoreading course. He also tells that it doesn't work and that it's a rob of money
I don't know why, but I have heard quotes about Derren where he said lots of things are nearly crap, but he most certainly is using them as well (eg: NLP, hypnosis). He probably has a greater understanding than the instructors, though, because of all the other skills he has, and it helps to take bits of these other ideas and just keep the grains of truth.
If you see Trick or Treat, I think season 2 episode 1, he teaches another guy to photoread, but you can see clues about how it's very dfrnt
If he were straight would you write "Derrens a heterosexual?!" or would you not? If not, then why is his being homosexual so surprising? What's the difference?
To eXcommunicate1979: On the face of it, someone who writes that thinks being homosexual is unnatural. Why other else write it if you have nothing against gay people? Seems odd to me.
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You didn't disprove anything I said, and you're just repeating yourself. You're arguing a totally different point. It is statistically unnatural, and for whatever reason you think Im wrong, you're being as narrow-minded, as the guy who thinks Derren Brown being gay is a shame. The ratio is not even 1:100. Being sterile and Red headed is not vaild comparison, and you know it. Or maybe not, and you actually that it is. Whatever the case, believe what you want, I can hardly care anymore about this.
Derren Brown *is* gay. A lot of things among humans are a low statistic like being red headed or left handed or gay. I don't know why you're picking on gay people unless you're a closet gay yourself who's close-minded and homophobic.
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I don't have to prove that Im not some closet homosexual. When did I EVER say that I hate gays or that Im "picking" on them? Im friends with a couple a gay people. So don't act like you know fucking know me. I just hate that you're spitting bullshit, and trying to argue against a point no one is making. No one you argued with said they have an issue with gays. You're making issues out of nothing. You fucking obnoxious prick know-it-all. Get over yourself.
You keep calling gay people unnatural. There's no substantial reason to say this. Your gay friends shouldn't be friends with someone who has such a low opinion of them. You keep insulting me while you're the one who is being cruel. Go bother someone else.
i see that, but nothing he said was offensive to gays, i get ALLOT of hatemail from homophobes because i defend gays allot on youtube, but this is not offensive, he's clearly stating that a straight person would have fun with this talent, which he would, and the fact that Derren is gay, makes that particular talent less useful
I can't find him say anything relatively close to that in the sentence, "It's a shame that a guy with Derren's abilities is gay. He could get pussy 4 lyfe. Straight men everywhere are jealous."
he merely pointing out, as I have said, that a man of a heterosexual nature would have more of a use of the ability to be able to focus in and see what attracts a girl and find out a pick up line that has worked on her in the past, he is stating that a man of a homosexual nature wouldn't have use for
that because he does not find women sexually appealing, Derren Brown is gay, he doesn't find women appealing (well, not that I am aware of), so he is saying that that is a wasted talent
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My point was merely that it is indeed a fact that being gay is a low statistic. But... if you actually want to get into that argument. Yes, it is unnatural to be gay. The only time animals in nature have ever been known to exhibit homosexual behavior has been in controlled situations where the opposite sex is not present, when a state is induced, or when the opposite sex is not present in nature or they are rejected by said sex in the process.
"The only time animals in nature have ever been known to exhibit homosexual behavior has been in controlled situations where the opposite sex is not present, when a state is induced, or when the opposite sex is not present in nature or they are rejected by said sex in the process."
That's incorrect. Perfect example why? The bonobos.
Um... it's an ends to a means. It's not a true case of homosexuality. Bonobos do it to relieve tension in their groups. It's in no way an exclusive preference of same sex over, which is what homosexuality is.
There is no such thing in animals. We shouldn't look to animals for cues on how to live, but no, as I said before, it doesn't exist outside of humanity.
After all, WE'RE animals. It's not so out of the question other species are similar in this aspect. Homosexual behavior has been seen in over 350 species. Perhaps some animals in those species are like this only.
You said no animals besides humans can prefer only one sex. You need to cite that. Have any scientists discovered this trend in nature? That it just doesn't exist outside of the human race? Or are you making it up?
We're not talking about proof. Scientists would notice if something that occurs among humans does or doesn't occur among other species. Since homosexuality has and is occurring in other species it's safe to assume a being in them can be homosexual.
Why? Because humans are animals and it occurs in *our* species.
You have the positive assertion that it only occurs among humans. That we're somehow different from the others in this aspect.
Ok... no. There's more holes in that logic than I care to count. To start with, according to your logic, serial killers and pedophilia are natural, since it happens in human culture. That's not a logical statement.
No... it seems you don't know the definition of natural. Just because humans do something doesn't make it natural. There's a reason why the word UNNATURAL exists. It's silly logic to think he did A., A. must be natural because he's an animal.
It doesn't matter that we're animals. Homosexuality is all over nature. It is natural. It doesn't hinder species. That's not circular, it's common sense.
Having three arms is a mutation error. Homosexuality is not. It occurs much, much more frequently that three arms does.
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How does homosexuality not hinder species? Any level of social dynamics class will teach you all things struggle to survive and replicate. It is the one commonality among living, reproductive organisms. Everything they do, ultimately, is to improve survival and replication value.
Homosexuality is in direct contrast with replication value in the same sense that suicide or wrist cutting is in direct contrast with survival value.
Because homosexuals can STILL reproduce. In fact, for the ones who choose not to, it helps our species not overpopulate.
And self injury (cutting is ONE form of it - the wrists is ONE particular area for it) is a self coping method in order for the individual partaking in it TO survive. Whereas suicide is not.
Common sense is not circular. If something is in nature, it's natural. This is deduction.
Um... no... homosexuals cannot reproduce. The only way is the unnatural way, and considering those methods did not exist thousands of years ago, it stands to reason that homosexuality is in direct contrast with your replication value... unless unnatural means are introduced. Hence, it's not natural to begin with.
Of course they can. Just because they're attracted to the same sex doesn't deny them having sex with the opposite sex to reproduce. (And anyway, there is recent scientific news same sex people COULD produce their own children in the future.)
Nope. They can't. They can implant an egg in their abdomen but it doesn't change the fact that it requires a fertile female egg in the first place... which, da da da... they can't produce without a fertile female.
Male and female are interlocked this way.
And by the way, the "population control" argument is always a ridiculous one imo... By that logic, Hitler was population control.
"In a handful of labs across the world, biologists are trying to make genetically male cells develop into eggs, and female cells into sperm. If successful, their efforts might one day allow lesbian and gay couples to have children that are genetically their own," the report continues.
What was that you were saying about that they can't?
The hitler reference is pathetic. That's the point. It's showing that your argument is pathetic. It's attacking the argument, not the act itself.
And before you go off spouting about "what was that you were saying about they can't?" refer to the line "make genetically male cells develop into eggs" ...
You're the one who doesn't understand that homosexuality is natural because it occurs often in nature.
Whereas pedophila and mass murdering people are harmful and don't occur as often. What does homosexuality harm?
Yes, genetically altering so same-sex people can reproduce is unnatural. I was simply pointing out it is POSSIBLE.
You seem to be forgetting that homosexual people can reproduce with the opposite sex. Homosexuality is ONLY about having an attraction to the same sex. Nothing else.
Intentionally, surgically breaking your face so you are decidedly ugly, for the sole purpose of being ugly (not to look unique, or different, but to be ugly) doesn't prevent you from reproducing... but it is in direct conflict with your reproduction value. As such, doing so is rightfully considered crazy.
Homosexuality isn't going to stop you from reproducing in today's modern era, but it is still in direct conflict with your reproduction value. Logic would dictate the same conclusion.
Whether beauty is in the eye of the beholder or not is irrelevant(even though there are scientific cues of attraction). The point is if someone does something DELIBERATELY to break their face with the INTENT of looking ugly (whether people think they look ugly or not doesn't matter), that's in direct contrast with your replication value... that's why it's not done, and that's why if it was done, it would be considered crazy.
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Are you kidding me? My entire argument is just how UNNATURAL homosexuality is. It's a direct contrast to your reproduction value, which is one of two instinctual purposes to life.
Homosexual people can and have been having sex and reproducing with the opposite sex for thousands of years.
Being homosexual - which is only a matter of personal attraction to a particular sex (the same sex) - does not IN AND OF ITSELF negate the ability to reproduce. Only the homosexual PEOPLE themselves can decide not to pass on their genes. The same as heterosexual/bi people. It's all the same.
You don't understand this - you keep trying to make an argument out of what you can't back up.
If you can't logically understand how homosexuality LOWERS YOUR REPRODUCTION VALUE (please take a social dynamics course) then there is really no help for you. I've explained my argument perfectly a dozen times, and you keep making the same claims that I've already explained over, and over... I think the problem is your inability to grasp concepts.
Over and over - exactly, you're going in circles without ever giving an actual VALID reason as to why homosexuality is unnatural. People in your face-breaking scenario are doing that to themselves. It's their choice. Homosexuality is not a choice. It's a matter of attraction. Reproducing with the opposite sex or not, REGARDLESS of sexual orientation, is a choice. The choice not to is, in your opinion, against nature and thus our choices to not reproduce is unnatural.
jesus... I've even given you specific parallels such as the reason why people don't break their faces purosefully with surgery to look "uglier," with the reasoning being that it's against nature to do things that will lower your reproduction VALUE in such a way. Being ugly DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T REPRODUCE (JUST AS BEING GAY DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T REPRODUCE). But what it CLEARLY means is that your reproduction VALUE is innately lowered by both such actions.
Look here kid. You are saying homosexuality is unnatural, ok? Now, we are talking about a social interaction, which has existed in human communities for over 10'000 and has also been found withseverall herdanimals, for instance lions. So for starters youhave to ask yourself what does unnatural mean, ok.. It is definitely not something we can define, the whole sense of the word is, that we find natural by what we find in nature and unnatural is the inverse of that.
nothing in this world is unnatural. Ants build hills, humans build skyscrapers, skyscrapers are natural. There are naturally "unnatural" people but anyway who cares..enjoy the video
And I've already explained how it comes in conflict with your reproduction value, yet you keep pretending it doesn't. The face breaking is an example of how you could STILL REPRODUCE with being decidedly uglier, but it doesn't change the fact that it would be considered crazy to do that to yourself because it SIGNIFICANTLY lowers your replication value.
You can use unnatural means to still reproduce if you are homosexual but it still SIGNIFICANTLY lowers your replication value.
to be fair humans aren't animals as we dont base our decisions upon instinct because we can think to the future and that is probably the reason why reasons for being gay differ to animals
Furthermore, even in instances where shallow observations are made of homosexual behavior in nature (often such events are simply a means to an ends, and not true preference of same sex over another)... it makes no difference. Many male animals are known to leave their young and stray to another female. By that same logic, should we infer that as humans it is "natural" for males to leave families and children and partake in infidelity? It is "natural" by that logic, yes? Time to rethink things.
We're our own animals. We evolved to do our own things. Not all animals perform/do the same actions/performances. What's natural for another animal may not be for another (e.g., humans).
Derren: "yea i'll crawl around on all fours and bark like a dog"
Phillipa: "doesn't take a lot"
he already had her
bigu236 3 weeks ago
FAKE and GAY!
Angel739739 6 months ago
is it me or does derren brown look like cramer from mad money....
firewoodforall 6 months ago 2
What did that girl at right wanted him to say?
filek1011 6 months ago
this is bullshit. the old man have choosen the page that were already opened in the past, you can see it, the page 89 can't close at all, left a space and the guy pick that page O: lucky one
pedro46f 6 months ago
Derren Brown's written that he thinks speed reading is bull, just learning to skim, and if you can't read a book like that in 20 minutes, how on earth can you memorize it? this has to be a trick, but he doesn't usually just flat out lie like that... well sometimes... this is gonna drive me nuts.
Roenazarrek 7 months ago
Apparently Derren Brown can take your freaking tie off while distracting and bewildering you through various methods of misdirection.... I THINK he could manage a hidden camera on that pleasant little librarian (while getting him camera ready...) Now all you need is an earpiece... and andy nyman, or someone reading in your ear.
mouthyweasel 7 months ago
Remember that Derren Brown is an illusionist. He didn't memorize the whole dictionary. I bet he just memorized a few pages. He did a mind trick to get the person open on the page he wants to. For a clue on how he does it listen and watch the numbers that appear. When the clip starts there is a picture of the library clock tower pointing at 10 o'clock. Then he talks with the person that there are about 16 million books in the library. What page does he open the book at? 1016.
markansas101 8 months ago 2
so derren has a photographic memory?
DesertSmeagle 9 months ago
You're ALL retarded, he simply opens the book wide at 2 or three pages somewhere in the middle of the book, and memorizes them. It's creased in the center, so when the old dude opens to a random page, it'll be one of the pages he opened wide, I do it all the time with my Led Zeppelin music notes book, turns to Stairway every time ;D
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ayosputik 1 year ago
The British library has over 16 million books and every single one of those books is in English? A tad chauvinist maybe?
MenteChinga 1 year ago
@MenteChinga The Sate Lenin Library in Moscow has 32 million books, and all of them in Russian. What's you point?
a1024s 7 months ago
he hasnt memorized every book in the library he just read the person's mind as he was reading it
blahblahblaha1a2a3 1 year ago
~*WOW@THE OLD MAN'S FACE WHEN DERREN WAS LIKE "WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE DONE" ROFLMFAO!!!! LAWD...THE SHOWMANSHIP IS RIDDICULOUSLY HUMOROUS*~
c0mp0zer100 1 year ago
could he not do his suggestion to simply make the man choose that word in the dictionary and then that book and the sentence etc.
Tomm0509 1 year ago
I'm not soo much into photographic memory, but im good with pornographic memory
cHeeZzAe 1 year ago 21
the intro is so lol... yes...yes i can. *grins
Crazee108 1 year ago
haha listen to Darren as he leaves the ladies: "We'll have a drink later on".. haha this man is a pimp.
iig0tem 1 year ago 3
THE ultimate book test...
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JuusoTurunen 1 year ago
Photographic reading, or having a photographic memory, is nothing new. Though rare, its something people are born with and develop, not something you can learn
The real intelligence for me in this clip was the old guy's response. As a librarian he is envious of the talent, but; "as a human being, I am happy (to be able) to forget.
Wisdom on the spur of the moment. Thats class.
TheBarpaolo 1 year ago 4
i love Derren and his mind tricks, but this looks like a setup to me nd as derren sometime refers in his shows - showmanship..to impress his audience.
machineofoz1 1 year ago
What a big load of bullshit.
Karadjordje2 1 year ago
Lols i ask him for a slip of what he had
AustinxRodriguez 1 year ago
I want Derren to go against Zoolander....LOL
aniketranade 1 year ago
Photographic memory - he explains how it's done in there. I've read some books about that, I tried for a month and still can't get notable results.:( My memory improved slightly though..
nomainreason 1 year ago
Awesome!
The librarian's response at the end was pretty cool too.
HeckoX 1 year ago 7
is he autistic?
sfgox10 1 year ago
how in the world are people soooo stupid to believe this B S. any one of you dum guys try it and see if it works thats so obiously a fake .
ssech6 1 year ago
@ssech6 wow you dont really know much or your being oblivious. search this on the internet. its called photographic memory. i can do it (not as well as him though). if you practice on how to do it, then you my friend, can do it too.
LadybugNinja0 1 year ago
omg... i would do almost anythign to be able to do that. This would be so usefull in school and places like that.
Anim8or88 1 year ago
ummm... Derren Brown admitted that he is gay...
sooooo wtf?
EastAsiandictator 1 year ago
Don't hurt yourself.
D0g63rt 1 year ago
it's mostly pschology that he think in certain age thinks and how does the mind work
jahuuja007 1 year ago
wth is this lol?
"i thinkk...you....*abracadabraaaa* ..LIKE A SENSE OF HUMOUR!"
OH no wai how'd you guess that!! thats so deep and original, wow sense of humour really how in the world couldve you guessed =O
iousup 1 year ago
born gifted just like the others.. :D
luffy3 2 years ago
I bet I could read a book off the reflection of that guys glasses too.
Itstheclaw 2 years ago
people are always saying can you use your skills to get extraordinarily beautiful women into bed? well...... YES YES I CAN HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!
Alexzhander 2 years ago
Derren is actually gay and no, I'm not joking or flaming.
TheDigitalMonk 2 years ago
why people are givinf thumbs down, its true, check the web!
ozespreit 2 years ago
ye but does it really matter.... he got some crazy skill...thats the thing that matters if u ask me
NLfreek 2 years ago 3
Holy shit that trick is useful I could pass any exams I want :)
jimboybaboy 2 years ago 27
@jimboybaboy takes a couple of months to master this technique though
Mu5clehead 2 years ago
He just memorised the book, hes done it before, if you are in the UK 4OD has all his shows watch "The Gathering"
vas876 2 years ago
@vas876 what if your not in the uk? any where i can watch it in canada?
JusBlazeDR 2 years ago
@vas876 damn im not in UK but i got to the 4od site only to be rejected in my location. Do you know of any other sources?
iig0tem 1 year ago
how do those 2 things work?
inofaith 2 years ago
with runescape
RunescapeAchievemets 2 years ago
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so fake
trooogdooor 2 years ago
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derren brown is really amazing, Check out full episodes on My Channel
FreeHypnosisMethods 2 years ago
And since homosexuality is not seamingly about to vanish and seams to have been around for 10000 years in human history, nature seams to propose, that in some way, homosexuality in a society is evolutionary very stable and therefor absolutely natural. Admittadly a single homosexual is less likely to reproduce then a heterosexual but as a society as a whole, evidence suggests, that it is an important part of our species and possibly helps reproduction as a whole.
piivo 2 years ago
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Ok, once again, homosexual tendencies are natural. Homosexual tendencies exist within nature and throughout history.
But homosexuality does not.
gojaggiesgo 2 years ago
are you people SERIOUSLY arguing about homosexuality? why here? why ... now? you know what pisses me off?that in america, prop 8 was passed...ARGH....let them people marry and crap people! it's natural, for...happiness to be a priority.
LeviathanRisingUp 2 years ago 28
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Its weird how people suddenly decide homosexuality is ok out of nowhere. My memory of childhood and adoledence (not that long ago) i remeber people were against it inculding teachers and all my peers and all over television shows.
Now we have countless tv programs telling us its "ok to be gay". U people watch derren brown shows displaying how easily we are influnce and u cant see how u were munipulated to be "ok to be gay"
Yes on 8, my free willed opinion
mettal7 2 years ago
Yes because public oppinions are historically situated, but that doesen't mean it's not possible to debate them rationally. In my oppinion the tolerance about homosexuality is a genuine progress. If some people who are supportive of it now, would have been against it 20-30 years ago - so what?
dougsinatus1 2 years ago
@LeviathanRisingUp while i agree to let them do whatever they want because we are not anothers judge. i fully disagree with your statement that it is natural. it is as natural as any other disablility or deformity.
mswagg30 1 year ago
@mswagg30 i didn't say it was natural to be homosexual. I said it was natural for anyone to find their own happiness. it's natural for everyone to do what makes them happy.
LeviathanRisingUp 1 year ago
@LeviathanRisingUp after re-reading your last post, i see what you were saying. well said as well.
mswagg30 1 year ago
@LeviathanRisingUp Happiness is overrated.
DickArmee 1 year ago
@LeviathanRisingUp Did You Know Derren Brown is Gay?
bassproshots 1 year ago
@bassproshots Is that relevant?
orso1thought 1 year ago
@LeviathanRisingUp
"it's natural, for...happiness to be a priority."
But it isn't natural to be homosexual. You can't just take the good and throw away the bad.
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 You're right, but that also makes you a pessimistic. Either two choices, live and try to be happy, or live a crappy life. it's actually a choice and D. Brown taught me that. Good luck either way
LeviathanRisingUp 6 months ago
@LeviathanRisingUp
How does make me a pessimist? You're throwing words in my mouth.
Why does that mean you have to live a crappy life? It is a choice, but the wrong choice. The mentality that it has to be a crappy life is exactly what I'm talking about. Do you just everything D. Brown says and apply it to your life? If D. Brown goes straight would you?
jmann114 6 months ago
@LeviathanRisingUp
[continued...] The fact that you called me a pessimist is laughable. We live in a world of good and bad decisions. Just because I take the good and the bad doesn't mean I'm a pessimist. To throw away the bad to just keep the good would make you detached from reality. I'd rather be a pessimist than be detached from reality.
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 Well, i'm sorry mommy and daddy didn't love you when you were younger. Yes I said that to be mean. The point of my original post was to state that everyone was entitled to their own voices, opinions, style of living, and of course their right to live however way they want to. Go watch some nascar and drink some beer cause that's probably the lifestyle you probably know. and no, i'm not being serious.
LeviathanRisingUp 6 months ago
@LeviathanRisingUp
Of course you're entitled to it.
I'm entitled to go fondle an 8 year old girl does that mean it's okay? The fact is you're so pissed off that prop. 8 got passed preaching "let them people marry and crap" but when are we able to get our say in it? In this day and age you can't be against anything or you're a bigot. It's hypocritical. I'm sure if we had straight pride parades it would be outlawed. Lmao.
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 well, my ill informed little buddy, but prop 8 was passed, saying that marriage can only be conducted between man and woman. It seems rather selfish. but yeah the straight pride parade would probable be allowed, it's just no one has the balls to say it
LeviathanRisingUp 6 months ago
@LeviathanRisingUp
I just said in my last comment that prop. 8 was passed.
Lol it's not selfish. It's just some people think it's not right. WHAT!? Shocker, I know. It's nothing personal though. I found out one of my friends I've known since I was a little kid was bisexual about a week ago. We had a talk and I was honest with her. I told her I wouldn't ever judge her for something like that, but I was honest with her. I told her how I felt personally about it and she was fine with it.
jmann114 6 months ago
So saying that homosexuality is unnatural, is simply a lack of understanding of the word. I asume, that are basing your argument on some form of darvinisme, about how reproduction is the core principal of life and so on. Now one thing about darvin is, that he doesnt say, this form of a certain species, like the absolute alphamale, is evolutionary ideal and the others will all be eradicated. He says that a constelation, a group of slightly different animals are evolutionary stable.
piivo 2 years ago
I also do not think you know enough about evolution to comment on it.
And it's darwin, not darvin. Small mistake.
gojaggiesgo 2 years ago
the fuck does this have to do with memory.
WARPALORPA 2 years ago
i agree! i'm reading and I'm like, what the hell?
LeviathanRisingUp 2 years ago
Holy shit Derren, that's approaching Savant-like ability there...
123457474869 2 years ago 3
these women are drop dead gorgeous
filip000 2 years ago 2
these girls are stunning.... :)
filip000 3 years ago
im glad i can forget haha very nice!
Depalla 3 years ago
Hmmm I'm pretty sure you could do some mental exercises and eventually achieve that level of recall. Mine is more selected but if whatever I'm reading holds some sort of relevancy (in other words if it's interesting), I can usually recall any of it. Strange how I can't remember what I ate for lunch 2 days ago, but I can remember a conversation word for word from 9 years ago. The human mind is crazay.
stuperman25 3 years ago
the thing is that you can t prove that... and we all can remember what we eat 2 days ago... if you try
m4r0lt 3 years ago
"There are, I believe, 16.... million books in this library."
That pause had the "16" planted in the guy's head so he'd pick page 1016.
Bekll 3 years ago 4
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It's a shame that a guy with Derren's abilities is gay. He could get pussy 4 lyfe. Straight men everywhere are jealous.
eXcommunicate1979 3 years ago
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what is your problem?
jokernick90 3 years ago
lol
eXcommunicate1979 3 years ago
Regardless whether or not he memorizes the words, is it even possible to read every word in that dictionary in 20 minutes?
subie123 3 years ago 3
yes
creamaster 3 years ago
Hes making a mental image of the whole page, meaning all all the shapes that lie on that page, he then looks at the mental image in his mind and reads off of it. Obviously he can't remember every single word in the dictionary.
Look up photographic memory if you're still confused.
Itsnotthisitsnotthat 3 years ago
Can this skill be learned?
rotorickle 3 years ago
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How sad that there are people in the world, so many apparently, who could believe such nonsense. "mental image" my god!
MarkLucasTube 3 years ago
The first guesses work because they work for the vast majority of women.
'Sence of humour is important' and they all giggled. Come on - every girl thinks that!
Cacadore 3 years ago
only the sense of humour guess could be scrutinised the rest were obviously very impressive
andycbounce 3 years ago
im glad i can forget, good quote from that guy
ronniepage 3 years ago
Derren: "Are you gay?"
Random guy: "...I don't know any more you frickin' jedi"
falcondude 3 years ago 2
rofl!
wubs23 3 years ago
looooool
tricknolgy 3 years ago
ha thats true
rdivita24 3 years ago 2
Because of the last one, when he is in the library? he claims to use his photograpic memory
Maxb1285 3 years ago
why is this show named memory?
cursevirus 3 years ago
The trick he does, is he gives a subliminal message, when he says: i believe there are SIXTEEN... million books in this library. So the guy looks trough the dictionary, feels comfortable at page 1016, which is the only page Derren memorized.
Maxb1285 3 years ago 4
I was looking out for such subliminal messages, saw that sixteen one but no others. did anyone catch any others?
tobyc00per 3 years ago
Might be a few more, but not recorded... You dont know what he said to the guy as introduction before the camera is turned on..
Maxb1285 3 years ago
THe funny thing is that he's not actually photoreading. He's doing a booktrick, which I dont know how it works. If you read his book "tricks of the mind", you'll see he actually quite disagrees with everything they teach at a photoreading course. He also tells that it doesn't work and that it's a rob of money
JacobPoot18 3 years ago 5
I don't know why, but I have heard quotes about Derren where he said lots of things are nearly crap, but he most certainly is using them as well (eg: NLP, hypnosis). He probably has a greater understanding than the instructors, though, because of all the other skills he has, and it helps to take bits of these other ideas and just keep the grains of truth.
If you see Trick or Treat, I think season 2 episode 1, he teaches another guy to photoread, but you can see clues about how it's very dfrnt
usucdik 3 years ago
how dyu know he's gay?
MillyTheKidd 3 years ago
interested??? ha just browse the web,,there are a lot of articles!!!
tricknolgy 3 years ago
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Derrens a homosexual?!
budge2k7 3 years ago
yep
FRUiiTCAKExX 3 years ago 5
If he were straight would you write "Derrens a heterosexual?!" or would you not? If not, then why is his being homosexual so surprising? What's the difference?
Bekll 3 years ago 3
It's called a fucking joke. I have nothing against gays. lol. I am saying straight guys would love to have his skills.
eXcommunicate1979 3 years ago
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I don't care. Quite messaging me. What is *your* problem.
Bekll 3 years ago
^ Not for you, sorry. Wrong reply.
To eXcommunicate1979: On the face of it, someone who writes that thinks being homosexual is unnatural. Why other else write it if you have nothing against gay people? Seems odd to me.
Bekll 3 years ago 4
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What the hell, it is unnatural. Not morally but statistically. Honestly you think the gay to straight ratio is 1:1? Haha oh wow.
badaudio 3 years ago
Homosexuality is all over nature. How is it unnatural?
There are fewer sterile people than not. Is being sterile unnatural? How about being red headed? Is that unnatural?
Bekll 3 years ago 3
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You didn't disprove anything I said, and you're just repeating yourself. You're arguing a totally different point. It is statistically unnatural, and for whatever reason you think Im wrong, you're being as narrow-minded, as the guy who thinks Derren Brown being gay is a shame. The ratio is not even 1:100. Being sterile and Red headed is not vaild comparison, and you know it. Or maybe not, and you actually that it is. Whatever the case, believe what you want, I can hardly care anymore about this.
badaudio 3 years ago
Derren Brown *is* gay. A lot of things among humans are a low statistic like being red headed or left handed or gay. I don't know why you're picking on gay people unless you're a closet gay yourself who's close-minded and homophobic.
Bekll 3 years ago 4
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I don't have to prove that Im not some closet homosexual. When did I EVER say that I hate gays or that Im "picking" on them? Im friends with a couple a gay people. So don't act like you know fucking know me. I just hate that you're spitting bullshit, and trying to argue against a point no one is making. No one you argued with said they have an issue with gays. You're making issues out of nothing. You fucking obnoxious prick know-it-all. Get over yourself.
badaudio 3 years ago
You keep calling gay people unnatural. There's no substantial reason to say this. Your gay friends shouldn't be friends with someone who has such a low opinion of them. You keep insulting me while you're the one who is being cruel. Go bother someone else.
Bekll 3 years ago 2
why are you taking offence to that!
spardaking 3 years ago
Because... gays are... people?
Bekll 3 years ago
i see that, but nothing he said was offensive to gays, i get ALLOT of hatemail from homophobes because i defend gays allot on youtube, but this is not offensive, he's clearly stating that a straight person would have fun with this talent, which he would, and the fact that Derren is gay, makes that particular talent less useful
spardaking 3 years ago
He said gays are "statistically" unnatural. I disagree.
Bekll 3 years ago
I can't find him say anything relatively close to that in the sentence, "It's a shame that a guy with Derren's abilities is gay. He could get pussy 4 lyfe. Straight men everywhere are jealous."
he merely pointing out, as I have said, that a man of a heterosexual nature would have more of a use of the ability to be able to focus in and see what attracts a girl and find out a pick up line that has worked on her in the past, he is stating that a man of a homosexual nature wouldn't have use for
spardaking 3 years ago
that because he does not find women sexually appealing, Derren Brown is gay, he doesn't find women appealing (well, not that I am aware of), so he is saying that that is a wasted talent
spardaking 3 years ago
"What the hell, it is unnatural. Not morally but statistically. "
You're talking about a different subject.
Bekll 3 years ago
What's to disagree with?
That's a fact.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
What's a fact? Gays are a low statistic (as being left handed is), but it's not unnatural to be gay. That's a fact.
Bekll 3 years ago
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My point was merely that it is indeed a fact that being gay is a low statistic. But... if you actually want to get into that argument. Yes, it is unnatural to be gay. The only time animals in nature have ever been known to exhibit homosexual behavior has been in controlled situations where the opposite sex is not present, when a state is induced, or when the opposite sex is not present in nature or they are rejected by said sex in the process.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
"The only time animals in nature have ever been known to exhibit homosexual behavior has been in controlled situations where the opposite sex is not present, when a state is induced, or when the opposite sex is not present in nature or they are rejected by said sex in the process."
That's incorrect. Perfect example why? The bonobos.
Bekll 3 years ago
Um... it's an ends to a means. It's not a true case of homosexuality. Bonobos do it to relieve tension in their groups. It's in no way an exclusive preference of same sex over, which is what homosexuality is.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Some people (and probably other animals) can't help not being solely attracted to the same sex. It's just what happens due to nature and nurture.
Bekll 3 years ago
There is no such thing in animals. We shouldn't look to animals for cues on how to live, but no, as I said before, it doesn't exist outside of humanity.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Can you cite that?
After all, WE'RE animals. It's not so out of the question other species are similar in this aspect. Homosexual behavior has been seen in over 350 species. Perhaps some animals in those species are like this only.
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gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
I'm telling you bigfoot doesn't exist and you're asking me to cite it. The burden of proof is on you. Show me bigfoot.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
We're not talking about Bigfoot.
Bekll 3 years ago
... it's a metaphor for something that doesn't exist.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
You said no animals besides humans can prefer only one sex. You need to cite that. Have any scientists discovered this trend in nature? That it just doesn't exist outside of the human race? Or are you making it up?
Bekll 3 years ago
You can't prove something doesn't exist. But you can assume it doesn't exist until it's shown to exist. That's your burden, not my own.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
We're not talking about proof. Scientists would notice if something that occurs among humans does or doesn't occur among other species. Since homosexuality has and is occurring in other species it's safe to assume a being in them can be homosexual.
Why? Because humans are animals and it occurs in *our* species.
You have the positive assertion that it only occurs among humans. That we're somehow different from the others in this aspect.
Bekll 3 years ago
Ok... no. There's more holes in that logic than I care to count. To start with, according to your logic, serial killers and pedophilia are natural, since it happens in human culture. That's not a logical statement.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Yes, they *are* natural. Are they harmless? No. Is homosexuality harmless? Yes.
Please, to compare homosexuality to those two is beyond ignorant.
Bekll 3 years ago
Who is comparing homosexuality to those two ethically? I'm showing how ridiculous your argument is.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
My argument in saying they're natural? Well... they occur in nature. They are natural.
It seems you don't know the definition of "natural".
Homosexuality is natural.
Bekll 3 years ago
No... it seems you don't know the definition of natural. Just because humans do something doesn't make it natural. There's a reason why the word UNNATURAL exists. It's silly logic to think he did A., A. must be natural because he's an animal.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
They're not natural because certain animals do them. After all, we're animals.
It's natural if they occur in nature. Our whole planet is nature.
But this is a technicality.
What you're meaning is that they're uncommon.
But so is being sterile. So is being left-handed. Why aren't you saying those are unnatural?
Bekll 3 years ago
Um... being sterile IS unnatural. Being left-handed is uncommon. Having three arms IS unnatural. Can you make the distinction?
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
And you're using circular logic. You're saying there are humans that are gay, and humans are animals, therefor it's natural to be gay.
That's no different than saying god is always right because the bible says god is always right and the bible is the word of god.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
It doesn't matter that we're animals. Homosexuality is all over nature. It is natural. It doesn't hinder species. That's not circular, it's common sense.
Having three arms is a mutation error. Homosexuality is not. It occurs much, much more frequently that three arms does.
Bekll 3 years ago
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How does homosexuality not hinder species? Any level of social dynamics class will teach you all things struggle to survive and replicate. It is the one commonality among living, reproductive organisms. Everything they do, ultimately, is to improve survival and replication value.
Homosexuality is in direct contrast with replication value in the same sense that suicide or wrist cutting is in direct contrast with survival value.
And yes, it is circular logic you used.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Because homosexuals can STILL reproduce. In fact, for the ones who choose not to, it helps our species not overpopulate.
And self injury (cutting is ONE form of it - the wrists is ONE particular area for it) is a self coping method in order for the individual partaking in it TO survive. Whereas suicide is not.
Common sense is not circular. If something is in nature, it's natural. This is deduction.
Bekll 3 years ago
Um... no... homosexuals cannot reproduce. The only way is the unnatural way, and considering those methods did not exist thousands of years ago, it stands to reason that homosexuality is in direct contrast with your replication value... unless unnatural means are introduced. Hence, it's not natural to begin with.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Of course they can. Just because they're attracted to the same sex doesn't deny them having sex with the opposite sex to reproduce. (And anyway, there is recent scientific news same sex people COULD produce their own children in the future.)
Bekll 3 years ago
Nope. They can't. They can implant an egg in their abdomen but it doesn't change the fact that it requires a fertile female egg in the first place... which, da da da... they can't produce without a fertile female.
Male and female are interlocked this way.
And by the way, the "population control" argument is always a ridiculous one imo... By that logic, Hitler was population control.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Same sex people can possibly one day produce children of their own:
lifesitenews(dot)com/ldn/2008/feb/08020103(dot)html
"In a handful of labs across the world, biologists are trying to make genetically male cells develop into eggs, and female cells into sperm. If successful, their efforts might one day allow lesbian and gay couples to have children that are genetically their own," the report continues.
What was that you were saying about that they can't?
The Hitler reference is pathetic.
Bekll 3 years ago
The hitler reference is pathetic. That's the point. It's showing that your argument is pathetic. It's attacking the argument, not the act itself.
And before you go off spouting about "what was that you were saying about they can't?" refer to the line "make genetically male cells develop into eggs" ...
I'll wait for the light bulb in your mind.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
You're the one who doesn't understand that homosexuality is natural because it occurs often in nature.
Whereas pedophila and mass murdering people are harmful and don't occur as often. What does homosexuality harm?
Yes, genetically altering so same-sex people can reproduce is unnatural. I was simply pointing out it is POSSIBLE.
You seem to be forgetting that homosexual people can reproduce with the opposite sex. Homosexuality is ONLY about having an attraction to the same sex. Nothing else.
Bekll 3 years ago
Intentionally, surgically breaking your face so you are decidedly ugly, for the sole purpose of being ugly (not to look unique, or different, but to be ugly) doesn't prevent you from reproducing... but it is in direct conflict with your reproduction value. As such, doing so is rightfully considered crazy.
Homosexuality isn't going to stop you from reproducing in today's modern era, but it is still in direct conflict with your reproduction value. Logic would dictate the same conclusion.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Homosexuality is simply an ATTRACTION to the same sex. It doesn't not have any conflict with the ability to reproduce. Same with bisexuality.
You're going in circles. You never made a valid point as to why homosexuality is unnatural.
Bekll 3 years ago
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Why would someone decide to be what they consider to be ugly? This isn't relevant.
Homosexuality is the ATTRACTION to the same sex. It does not come into any conflict with a person's ability to reproduce in and of itself.
You've never made a valid point as to why homosexuality is unnatural. You can't seem to back up your assertion.
Bekll 3 years ago
Whether beauty is in the eye of the beholder or not is irrelevant(even though there are scientific cues of attraction). The point is if someone does something DELIBERATELY to break their face with the INTENT of looking ugly (whether people think they look ugly or not doesn't matter), that's in direct contrast with your replication value... that's why it's not done, and that's why if it was done, it would be considered crazy.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
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Are you kidding me? My entire argument is just how UNNATURAL homosexuality is. It's a direct contrast to your reproduction value, which is one of two instinctual purposes to life.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Homosexual people can and have been having sex and reproducing with the opposite sex for thousands of years.
Being homosexual - which is only a matter of personal attraction to a particular sex (the same sex) - does not IN AND OF ITSELF negate the ability to reproduce. Only the homosexual PEOPLE themselves can decide not to pass on their genes. The same as heterosexual/bi people. It's all the same.
You don't understand this - you keep trying to make an argument out of what you can't back up.
Bekll 3 years ago 3
If you can't logically understand how homosexuality LOWERS YOUR REPRODUCTION VALUE (please take a social dynamics course) then there is really no help for you. I've explained my argument perfectly a dozen times, and you keep making the same claims that I've already explained over, and over... I think the problem is your inability to grasp concepts.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Over and over - exactly, you're going in circles without ever giving an actual VALID reason as to why homosexuality is unnatural. People in your face-breaking scenario are doing that to themselves. It's their choice. Homosexuality is not a choice. It's a matter of attraction. Reproducing with the opposite sex or not, REGARDLESS of sexual orientation, is a choice. The choice not to is, in your opinion, against nature and thus our choices to not reproduce is unnatural.
Bekll 3 years ago
jesus... I've even given you specific parallels such as the reason why people don't break their faces purosefully with surgery to look "uglier," with the reasoning being that it's against nature to do things that will lower your reproduction VALUE in such a way. Being ugly DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T REPRODUCE (JUST AS BEING GAY DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T REPRODUCE). But what it CLEARLY means is that your reproduction VALUE is innately lowered by both such actions.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
Look here kid. You are saying homosexuality is unnatural, ok? Now, we are talking about a social interaction, which has existed in human communities for over 10'000 and has also been found withseverall herdanimals, for instance lions. So for starters youhave to ask yourself what does unnatural mean, ok.. It is definitely not something we can define, the whole sense of the word is, that we find natural by what we find in nature and unnatural is the inverse of that.
piivo 2 years ago
nothing in this world is unnatural. Ants build hills, humans build skyscrapers, skyscrapers are natural. There are naturally "unnatural" people but anyway who cares..enjoy the video
etfometit 1 year ago
With the face-breaking I'm reinforcing how things are not done in contrast to replication value with any level of sanity.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
And I've already explained how it comes in conflict with your reproduction value, yet you keep pretending it doesn't. The face breaking is an example of how you could STILL REPRODUCE with being decidedly uglier, but it doesn't change the fact that it would be considered crazy to do that to yourself because it SIGNIFICANTLY lowers your replication value.
You can use unnatural means to still reproduce if you are homosexual but it still SIGNIFICANTLY lowers your replication value.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
to be fair humans aren't animals as we dont base our decisions upon instinct because we can think to the future and that is probably the reason why reasons for being gay differ to animals
icmull 3 years ago
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tuoljg 3 years ago
wrong
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Furthermore, even in instances where shallow observations are made of homosexual behavior in nature (often such events are simply a means to an ends, and not true preference of same sex over another)... it makes no difference. Many male animals are known to leave their young and stray to another female. By that same logic, should we infer that as humans it is "natural" for males to leave families and children and partake in infidelity? It is "natural" by that logic, yes? Time to rethink things.
gojaggiesgo 3 years ago
We're our own animals. We evolved to do our own things. Not all animals perform/do the same actions/performances. What's natural for another animal may not be for another (e.g., humans).
Bekll 3 years ago