Glenn Beck and Penn Jillette Talk Libertarian (www.arichmind.org)

[2411Hellokitty]

Why is common sense now considered crazy?

[JoshBoschke]

@2411Hellokitty

Because common sense is no longer common.

[skinspikes]

Why aren't there any "scholarships" to clown college? :D Forget it I know why! ;P

[DinoJake]

........Holy shit, I'm starting to LIKE Glenn Beck.

[Exaybachay007]

Penn raised him one mormon underwear for numerous clown college references.....Beck folded.

[THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS]

The establishment has constantly stole libertarian movements because they threaten the status quo. Classic liberalism is libertarianism. Now "liberalism" is being pro government regulating peoples lives with an authoritarian fist. Same as the Tea Party. Started by libertarians, infiltrated by Neo conservatives, taken over by the establishment.

[hylian726]

Wow, I don't watch a LOT of Beck, but this interview went a lot better than I expected with the immense amount of hate around Beck. I really liked his quote about needing to step over the body of someone who has killed themselves, as that's absolutely what we have to do, even if it's unpleasant.

[mike69dude]

@hylian726 interesting you focused on finding justification for turning away from the unpleasent rather than the part about 'you! you help them.' philanthropy is an act of compassion for all humanity. the best part? it doesnt have to cost a cent.

[RainerWarrior666]

Libertarians are all crazy. Sorry.

[daltonj2317]

@RainerWarrior666

Crazy in the sac.

[TheJaybrone]

Penn is a highly intelligent and very well spoken individual to bad he is to intelligent to ever run for ellected office.

[mikebri527]

The real truth is Libertarians are so intellectually superior to all others in matters of govn't, politics, the economy, society, etc. that it's virtually impossible for others to understand us. There is no way that the average conservative or republican can grasp our concepts. For democrats and liberals we might as well be speaking in a foreign language as far as their concerned. One day others will realize that we've been right all along and we all will be the wiser and better off for it.

[MrAtom322]

@mikebri527 ok, thanks for making us all sound like arrogant bastards. That'll definitely help convince people that we're not all crazy magnificent bastards!

[MrAtom322]

@MrAtom322 I mean I agree with you, but don't say just out and say, geez!

[mikebri527]

@MrAtom322 Thanks for the reply. Honestly, I didn't think anybody would take me seriously. I just wanted to see if someone would write back all pissed-off at me and see how long I could string them along!

But seriously, I do believe that Libertarians think very differently than most other people. Notice I said DIFFERENT not BETTER. Hopefully, we'll be proven right over the course of time. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

All the best to you!

[MrAtom322]

@mikebri527 For reals bro. I'm a libertarian basically because, as my good man Penn said once, "I don't pretend to know what is best for other people."

We are not crazy, but fuck with our freedom or rights and we'll show you fucking crazy!

[ossiorn]

If churches,neighbors,and philanthrophists can take care of the homeless and poor,then why are there still homeless and poor people?

Has the community can take care it approach not worked?

[thespacialone]

@ossiorn Is the government approach working?

[Ichiboy900]

"I never had a puff of marijuana..."

"Of course not, you couldn't make it through Clown College like that"

...Okay, I disagree with Glenn Beck 99% of the time, but he can be funny every now and then.

[EarlofCrawford]

The United States needs a strong, viable third party. It doesnt need to be libertarian. Just a strong 3rd option to relieve the pressure of the "Either or" two Party system that sets people against each other.

It works fantastically well in many successful democracies.

[Baldwynmayhem]

@EarlofCrawford US is same as any other western country. You have a Social Democratic party and a Conservative party, sad thing is in every western country, regardless of rhetoric, the economy etc ends up the same - screwed. Because both cater for vested interests, bailouts,massive regulation to stiffle classical economic liberalism, selling off sovereign land, ridiculous foreign aid to dictators, warmongering, they are bought out shills for a greater geopolitical cause. Liberty is numero uno.

[gulbirk]

Libertarians are a minority within the skeptic community and within the atheist community. I wonder why :P

[Baldwynmayhem]

@gulbirk because people have ZERO self sufficiency anymore bar a minority and rely totally on government to solve every single problem from gay marriage to liberating foreighn countries of their sovereignty. That's why. Tides are turning however, Liberty is having a resurgence. Time will tell what happens

[ReX342]

How about a cellphone with a camera and social isolation if you abuse your physical power? Everybody can kill another, a gun just makes it way too easy.|

Charity used to be religious, getting together and doing it together has now taken the form of goverment. Penn just runs away from that secular humanism and calls it socialism. I honestly don't understand his libertarianism.

[tehatemachine]

things government should look after, Regulations, making sure taht people don't beat the shit out of eachother over a fucking cookie, Run the courts (with a disco ball in every court room) and check up on it's buddies (Oh hai japan! how u do?)

[brpowerful]

I think glenn can be pretty bat-shit crazy most of the time, but every now and then when he has a sane guest on (not david barton), it seems to bring the best out glenn. In this interview he is actually pretty cool.

[MrCactopuss]

glenn beck is actually ok here

[AbjectConformity]

Libertarianism is extreme in its essence, but it does make a lot of sense on the surface. It's good political change. My only question to the "real" libertarians is, why do you care if other people have freedom? Would, hypothetically, you be satisfied if you were exempt from all laws and regulations and taxes, but everybody else was forced into that submission? Why do you really care about other people? And if you DO care about them, why not support universal healthcare?

[mugelerm]

@AbjectConformity Because universal healthcare will destroy healthcare. Taking freedoms from one is as bad as taking freedom from all. Look at how much Ron Paul gives to private charities for healthcare, look how many charity cases and pro-Bono he has done, look at the affordable medications charities he helps people with. Libertarian is about being a good person with your own resources, its easy to spend someone elses money, the real good Samaritan does the work himself.

[mugelerm]

@AbjectConformity We were number one in education at the founding of the department of Education, we are now number 11, one above mexico, after just a few years of central planned system. Healthcare costs have shot up because there are no longer market mechanisms to drive down cost and increase efficiency with the way tort laws are and the social programs are. How often do you hear of doctors working at volunteer hospitals? I dont mean clinics, I mean full size hospitals...they no longer exit

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[Coteincdr]

thomas jefferson was a libertarian

[8TheManWithNoName8]

@Coteincdr Thomas Jefferson was a BOSS!!!

[SansAuthoritas]

@Coteincdr

A libertarian believes in the principle of non-aggression. Jefferson did not believe in the principle of non-aggression.

[Coteincdr]

@SansAuthoritas A libertarian believes in alot of things, one thing does not make the diference in a big way he was a libertarian. If you say a believe in a Small goverment (courts, police and army) you are a libertarian for me. And second is not realy clear he believe or not in that priciple.

[SansAuthoritas]

@Coteincdr

The man created the first dog license in America. 'Nuff said?

[Coteincdr]

@SansAuthoritas ?????

[SansAuthoritas]

@Coteincdr

That's right. Thomas Jefferson, libertarian extraordinaire, was the first in America to force people to register their dogs with the State. (Meaning, the institution of coercive government.)

[Coteincdr]

@SansAuthoritas so... he is a comunist?? Milton Friedman was a libertarian but he believe in school subsidies and thats wors!!

[RRRRussia]

if you are dumb enough to hit yourself in the face with a brick then you should be allowed to do it exactly for the purpose of reducing your likelihood to remain in the gene pool. let's imagine that out of 100 people 10 would try heroin if it were legal and that 8 of those people would subsequently overdose and die, 1 would decide not to do it again for whatever reason, and 1 would go on using heroin safely for the rest of his life. does anyone have a problem with that outcome? i dont.

[Madfoot713]

I like how Beck knows he's butchering Franklin. lol

[83niteowl]

I like what Penn has to say usually. I do not, however, agree with his statements about everyone carrying guns. Guns do not keep people safer. I don't trust others with guns and I don't appreciate the fact that i have to fear others with guns. I don't believe in disarming America, though. Freedom is ultimately dangerous.  Still, there has to be some regulation.

[GuerrillaSauce]

@83niteowl

In what scenario is you not having a gun safer to you having one?

[83niteowl]

@GuerrillaSauce

The question is not whether or not I am safer when I have a gun, but whether I am safe when others have guns.

2/3 of homicides in the US involve a gun. "Homicides are most often committed with guns, especially handguns."

- Justice Dept. findings published on their website.

To be clear, I do not suggest a ban. However, I do point out that EVERY gun used in a crime was purchased legally at some point. Perhaps gun responsibilty is the answer.

[GuerrillaSauce]

@83niteowl

I respectfully disagree. Others will always have guns (legal or not), so the question really is whether you (and me) are safer if you (and me) do too.

I agree that increasing firearms ownership isn't going to increase public safety unless accompanied with increased "gun responsibility", as you put it, also - but greater "responsibility" alone isn't going to change the ability of people ("responsible" or otherwise) to commit atrocious acts against an unarmed population.

[83niteowl]

@GuerrillaSauce

I definitely understand what you mean. People will commit crimes with guns, period. I just mean to say that I don't believe everyone is equipped to own a gun, and that encouraging gun ownership is not, in my opinion, a good idea.

For instance, I do not own a gun. THere are children in the house and i believe that bringing a gun into my house would likely present more of a threat than it would provide comfort.

[83niteowl]

@GuerrillaSauce How many people do you know that you would not trust to own a gun? I'm sure you can think of many such people, maybe you are even related to them. I know many people, some of them close, that are not evil or malicious, but are incapable of handling such responsibility.

As a society, we have no problem revoking drivers licenses, and assert that some people should not drive. In a similar fashion, I believe blanket encouragement of gun ownership is not wise.

[Verator]

@83niteowl

While i respect your opinion and understand your personal decision in not owning a firearm, i dissent with your thoughts.

"we have no problem revoking drivers licenses"

We do the same thing with firearms and that does nothing to discourage criminals.

As a society we encourage a lot of things that may not align itself with absolute safety but that is the cost of freedom. People just need to learn to take personal responsibility for themselves and leave people to their own devices.

[BRYAN351]

@83niteowl legalizing a product doesn't equate to "encouraging" ownership or use of that product. Alcohol is legal in America, but I don't feel any pressure to drink. Legalization simply allows people to decide for themselves if they want to own/use something or not. That's called FREEDOM.

Driving is a privilege, not a right, so it can be licensed. Defending oneself is a right. Gun ownership is a right. Therefore, gun licensing is bullshit. What's next, licensing our lives?

[zcm007attack]

@83niteowl Why do you care? Would you rather be murdered with a knife, club, or car? America may have more gun homicides than many other nations, but that doesn't mean there aren't nations which have more total murders than America with other weapons.

[quezcatol]

@83niteowl And in Sweden where nobody has a gun people use a knife instead.

ban knifes?

[Godlim17]

I dont understand libertarians are they conservative are they liberal idk? I have one friend who says he is a libertarian and he loves the tea party and sarah palin. I have another friend who is an atheist and mostly liberal and he says he is a liberatarian. And then you have Bill maher who says hes a liberatarian as well. IM SO CONFUSED!

[cncinc100]

@Godlim17 Generally, libertarians believe in a mix of some left-wing policies (like promoting social liberties) and some right-wing policies (like smaller government and free trade). So libertarians can be either left-wing or right-wing, depending on how their left-wing and right-wing beliefs are balanced against each other.

[Godlim17]

@cncinc100 thanks

[dhLord64]

Libertarianism sounds good and all but there are major downfalls to it. Centrism all the way.

[GoodAvatar]

I love Penn. He's so self-deprecating and intelligent. He clearly thinks on various subjects a great deal, gives his honest opinion, and then pulls back and says, "I could be wrong, this is my opinion and it's subject to change." He has his morals and his values, he's not politicizing to tell people what they want to hear, he's just voicing his concerns and his valid objections. I'd vote for the guy if he ever ran for anything.

[RUBENSolol]

@GoodAvatar Yeah, and then compare Penn's intellect and humility with arrogance and fanatism of people like Sean Penn, or Rosie O'Donnell:)

[jeffersonianideal]

Glenn Beck, can pull biblical scripture out of his ass to make it fit his fractured view of American history but the pseudo-libertarian convert does not remember the late, great Harry Browne. Harry was one of the most astoundingly principled libertarian thinkers of the last 20 years. Beck would do better to study his fictitious bible less and spend more time reading about the virtues of individual freedom and personal responsibility by logical, perceptive libertarians such as Harry Browne.

[washaway]

hey glenn beck HE WENT TO COLLEGE

the only time i've ever seen this show and didn't feel bad.

[washaway]

hey glenn beck HE WENT TO COLLEGE

[xylemphoenix]

Harry Browne was my inspiration for becoming a libertarian!

[critter505]

This video is proof that libertarians and right wingers get along pretty well for the most part, left wingers however, only get along with other left wingers and socialists.

[KizukaRei]

glen beck is a retard. I mean seriously? You have to be a nutcase to buy into his crap. lmao

[freedomnow29]

@KizukaRei So what would you suggest? Make it compulsory for people to perform community service so that they will resent it?

[ActionJaxson28]

@freedomnow29 thats what he would probably like. Take the charity out of charity.