Thanks so much May - it was short but oh so sweet! I just LOVED it. This was just a quiet little intimate cermeony, just for them, no one else. The first one gave us all something big and spectacular - but this was quite like Christian had descibed the type of wedding he wanted, so they both got their wish! - I loved how they were almost in a trance at the end and has to be interrupted by the minister - so cute!!! And now they have 4 rings :) - 2 marriages are better than one! ~ CHROLLI FOREVER!
thank you my dear mercury may for uploading this great story. i'm watching this story for quite sometime now. love it. keep uploading this story. with love and peace: madeline
MercuryMay01 Thanks alot for the eps that you have done you are a wonderful person to be doing these translations for us, sorry to hear that you are leaving, I wish it wasn't so , I really liked reading the discrips that you did for the eps they were very funny. Thanks again I hope all go's will for you.
Is it funny that they traveled a long way to the cabin and Christian still can't figure out what is happening and stupid enough to wonder that place is not Schneiders?
I can't say that I'm satisfied with this second wedding of Chrolli, very poorly edited episode, this looks more like a show of the other characters with Chrolli somewhere on the edge. and for me personally it's very frustrating to see so little scenes with Olli. this show gives way too little screentime to such an amazing actor like Jo and so sweet character like Olli.
the authors have decided to reconcile chrolli , great ! but for something like that ?
@JKateC Yeah, in Europe it's the right hand but you can still choose. There are also couples where the girl wears it on the right hand and the boy on the left, for example. But I don't know why it's the right...
@daiselladarling Compromising Position: Personally I think Chris is not bisexual but gay. I think he does get a great deal of security from women finding him attractive. But ultimately, he's not attracted to them, hence he thinks he can control every situation he finds himself in with them. Thus the tossing Rebecca about, Miriam is just a stand by, ye catch the drift. But then he encountered two very dangerous women: Theresa and Jessica: Jessica cost him his marriage, Theresa cost him his job.
@sfvniceguy I think the only way to reconstitute their relationship is to bring in a "NEW" piece of information. Unfortunately, the writers have missed many opportunities, so I think a new element would have to be a lot of back tracking. ie: if Jess went on to do something really mean it would serve to remind the audience what she is like, and thereby remind O. Next, they'd discover an e-mail she'd sent to someone confessing that she didn't sleep with A & C, she just did it to get back at Helna
@daiselladarling IMO stress ultimately shows people's character--Do you behave destructively under stress, or do you simply behave badly? Everyone behaves badly under stress to one degree to another. But when one's life pattern is to behave destructively under stress, that's bad. People like that you need to avoid, because they don't just hurt you (hurt your feelings), they bring you "harm": Destroy your mental health, physically or financially harm you. I think C is a hurter but not a "harmer".
@daiselladarling I PMed you about this earlier, but I'll mention it here. For me, there are two things that end a relationship: sex outside the rel., and abandonment. By abandonment I mean, when things get difficult, one partner leaves; We can say that Chris has never abandoned Ollie--even with the AIDS thing. My greater point was to establish whether he was "the cheating type", meaning under stress, he'd take his pants off for someone else. I don't think that's his character.
It's such a shame there was so much bad writing for Christian this last year, it's like the current writers are trying to fix it, but don't really know how. They could at least have had Olli and Christian mention in a "by the way" type of way that the two of them had had a long talk about everything and sorted it out. That way it would make more sense them moving on, and the writers wouldn't have to write the actual scene (that would, in all fairness, be a pretty darn loooong scene, hehe).
I've been noticing on YouTube recently that often replies to comments aren't actually connected to the comments but show up elsewhere. I find this very confusing & annoying.
Should Chrolli be reunited ...ofcourse, the divorce was something neither of them wanted,, should the writers have solved all their issues and problems and given them, this so called happy ending , and fait de compli. many seem to crave....NO not yet, this is a Soap and it and Chrolli , have to have storyline's! They are going to be on the Backburner for a while anyway, as is the way with soaps, they had their big dream wedding, this was just righting a wrong.:-)
Reading comments-can we have a new episode please to give people to comment on because comments are getting crazy.In the past Christian did wrong,Oli did wrong and they have now starting a new and when you really do that you can't drag up the past, unlike some comments.Congrats, on and off it has been 4 years,what a ride,longer than most people commenting.Well done Thore & Jo
@sabinasabina2010 But "starting anew" doesn't change what happened or erase the problems that caused it. The writers did serious damage to the personalities & character of Christian & Olli (Christian as a vindictive serial cheater & Olli as a psycho bitch). Once the newness of this rekindled romance wears off & they settle in to Christian's new "lifestyle" those old problems could easily resurface & extinguish the flames. The problems need to be resolved & the (cont'd.)
@sfvniceguy (Cont'd.) loving character of both Christian & Olli restored in a realistic way. The writers can give Christian & Olli selective amnesia, but they can't do that to the fans. They can then create drama by giving them problems that they deal with TOGETHER instead of against each other.
@sfvniceguy that's soap for you esp VL lol!!! Said before it's not just Chrolli but most characters don't have deep conversations on Vl,has Andi talked to Jessica about rape charges,Andi with Helena about deceiving each other,Tristen to Helena about fancying his sister,Dana to her sister about her true feelings with Hagen,Rebecca & Miriam's break up went under the radar-I could go on.At this point Chrolli got married & it means starting a new so enjoy Chrolli cause it won't last forever
I think their relationship was very tumultuous after they lost Lily. This devastates people, and some never recover. So all of their non-sense makes sense in light of that tragedy. Christian certainly has loved Oliver in the past. There are so many examples: He would've married Ollie regardless of the AIDS outcome; he announced to the boxing world his love for Oliver; he married him in a large celebration, shared a child; for a straight man turned gay--Oliver is everything to him.
@daiselladarling I hear ya! There's only two things I can use to counter this, men get erections quite easily over completely non-sexual things sometimes. I think of it like a barometer for the weather! LOL!!! However, it looks like when she meant sex, she meant oral sex. What's interesting is that they were both in the exact sitting position when they started the night as well they had finished in the morning--sans clothing. I think they flirted with her when they were drunk,
@daiselladarling she sexually assaulted them, then she took their clothes off, after they had passed out. Things like this are looked into when a rape charge is involved: Where were you sitting? How many drinks did you have? Where were you when you woke up? bla bla bla. It's Occam's razor theory: the simplest explanation is the most likely. Also, think of Jessica's personality: two men do her at the same time--what a feather in her cap--though neither can really remember clearly.
Has Christian learned from his mistakes ? we have not been shown in any way that he has,no doubt Olli/Christian love each other but when another stormy situation/misunderstandings happen will they communicate better or will Christian revert to previous behaviours.I wish the writers were capable of better/there could have been some sort of dialogue build up to them getting back together,not to put too fine a point on it it could have been the hottest most mature thing ever with credible writing.
@Barclay4456 I totally agree & resent the way the writers just seem to be rushing to sweep the last months' absurdities under the rug. Christian & Olli have finally realized that they can't be happy without each other, but how are they going to be happy WITH each other until they have honest dialogue about their feelings, why what happened happened, & what they need from each other going forward? The writers have never let either of them have much self-insight & it's time for that.
@Barclay4456 Well, we will soon see that Olli, certainly, hasn't learnt anything from his mistakes. Don't want to post any spoilers here, but suffice it to say that he still is ignoring Christian's wishes and inducing him to accept decisions he knows is wrong. Christian is so grateful that they are back together that he goes along with Olli, rather than risk a confrontation.
People are flawed beings. We make mistakes, some horrible. Fortunately, we have the capacity to learn from those mistakes and we have the capacity to forgive. Equally important, we have the capacity to recognize what is ultimately important and what is or is worrth fighting for. If there is any merit to this 8 month break up storyline, it is that realization. Once again, focusing on the topic and not the fact that the characters are gay. I have not met the perfect person yet.
i feel there remain some important storylines left for Chrolli, that perhaps only this couple can present with credibility. Given that their relationship has gone on for four years, exploring meaningful gay relationship challenges of longer term partnerships. For other programs to do this, they would have to invest the time in the characters that VL have. Few are will to do so, as evidenced by the past. I feel the good work should continue as long as Jo and Thore are willing.
Christian did not continously fight for Olli after the Jessica incident he tried to talk to him maybe 2 or 3 times ? and then he very easily went off with Theresa and lets not forget many times before C always used getting off with women to taunt/hurt O the most whenever they had an argument so he has always used Ollis worst nightmare against him.Christian/Theresa went on for months and he taunted O with it,Olli/Raf was fleeting and only AFTER Chris disrespected Olli/their marriage vows so much
When so many question Christian's commitment to his relationship with Olli, let us not forget that he had to face more change when he faced and acknowledged his love for Olli than Olli had to for him. What had been his truth up to that point, no longer was truth. And once he did, he was willing to face the world with his love. Olli was the cautious one. This, to me, is the power of the storyline and that which many can identify with. Let us give Christian credit for that, shall we?
@MegaMsj1 What about the one night stands? Don't forget Olli's kissing Christian's then live in girlfriend in 08 and his representing himself as bi-sexual. I am not judging either one. The whole situation was messed up.... But I think there is no question of both of their commitments to each other. And they are moving beyond it. Given that the writers do not appear to want to have an episode that has them discussing the problems of the past, what are they to do?
I honestly don’t think the writers can do much now. There are no words they can put in Christian’s month that can excuse his behaviour over the last 8 months. What’s done is done unfortunately.
@MegaMsj1 Here we go again: beating that dead horse. The writers have finally moved on. Why don't you? The matter of who did the other the dirtiest has been debated ad nauseam. And to what purpose? In the end, when faced with the prospect of a life without Christian, victimized Olli placed his pride on the shelf, pinned his badge of courage over his heart, and chose a flawed, unpredictable Christian. Parsing this season in hell for Chrolli further is an exercise in futility.
@MegaMsj1 Personally, I agree with you. I think after the whole Jess thing, everything started to deteriorate in Chris's character--but this would be consistent with being victimized. I suppose what I'm interested in, is not so much in defending Chris's character (I would never date Chris), but in trying to figure out why his character became so despicable after the whole Jessica thing. It's just never sat well with me, and I think because there was an inequality of choice in that situation.
@MegaMsj1 I guess for me, I see J as the whole thing that got the ball rolling to begin with. Look I'm not defending Chris's idiocy. If it were me, I'd metaphorically chop off his block and tackle. I would have done that after he kissed Miriam for the first time. Marital unfaithfulness is a deal breaker, no matter what. But I do believe he was sexually assaulted. Victims tend to blame themselves and Chris was like, "well Ollie thinks this, so this must be true--nothing matters any more anyway."
WKElvis,you've gone to a lot of trouble to give reasons for Christians behaviour with J but even if i don't agree with you we can leave that incident because of the character C became afterwards,awful really SO flawed sleeping very easily with another woman and disrespecting Olli/his marriage vows so easily in a very bad way verbally as well.Hee was not willing to fight for Olli/his marriage in any way a mature adult would,having a heart attack does not suddenly excuse a badly flawed character
I think the issue isn't Chris's discretion, or lack there of, but rather his intentions and at what point he was no longer able to make a clear decision to have a sexual encounter. Or put it this way, now under US law is Jessica allowed to have a drink with Chris and Andy? Sure. Is she allowed to have sex with them if they hadn't given her explicit permission before they got drunk--no. She would then be charged with sexual assault, and these charges would stick. Quite logical really. :)
@Barclay4456 Okay, here is the BAL (blood alcohol level), and the symptoms: " .16% to .19% Very Drunk - Euphoria may give way to unpleasant feelings (depression), difficulty talking/walking/standing, sharp increase in chances of physically injuring yourself or others, may experience a blackout at this level or higher, nausea, dizzy, blurred vision." How can someone make a decision to have sex at this point? Always remember if the genders were reversed.
@Barclay4456 No, you're right--Chris should have retired for the evening and not stayed down in the bar, however was he able to? How drunk was he at the point when Hagan and Niko's husband left? If we focus on the Jessica thing alone, not anything else, I think you'll follow my drift better. Right after the sexcapade, perhaps even before sex stuff Chris blacked out--no? What does your blood alcohol level have to be before you black out? I'll google it and get back to you. :)
@thebiglover1987 There was another Gaystory with Olli from 2000 till 2002. His friend was Tom Seifert, who played a doctor. You can find these storys here under Tom & Olli but they are just in german
If the scenario of C ? having sex with Jessica was partly because she got him drunk/drugged it still does NOT excuse him putting himself in that situation in the first place/him repeartedly sleeping with Theresa (was that her name ?) whilst stone cold sober and flaunting it in front of Olli AND kissing making out with girls before that whenever he and O had an argument etc AND speaking of O/his marriage vows to her in a VERY bad way,none of this has been addressed.C is a very flawed now
@CzarriaAfdemaur Exactly. We know he didn't set out to do it; we also know that he was intoxicated--he couldn't give full consent because he didn't have his wits about him. We know based on Chris's past, that the only time he's flirted girls was to push Oliver's buttons. In THIS situation, he didn't set out to do that. Christian certainly has his faults (like why the hell was he drinking with HER to begin with?), but this situation was different. That's why it hasn't sat well with many fans.
@ppp90021 based on all the evidence we have, I really think that in THAT SITUATION Christian was sexually assaulted by Jessica. He was not in a mental state, where he could "give" consent, and when one is not in a state to give consent that IS sexual assault. We know that it is not out of character for Jessica to take advantage of people. I'm just glad that now in the US, men are also able to equally charge for sexual crimes. Maybe if this was also law in DE, Jessica may have hesitated.
@WkElvis It is very unclear as to whether sex actually took place between J and C or J and A. In fact, there have been many subtle indications that J was about to come clean on that. See op 133. It has always set bad with me the whole taking a picture thing. It sets right there with the false rape claim. As for the "affair" with Theresa, they were separated and that falls into the same category as all the encounters by Olli during that timeframe. Pretty soon J will be an Olivia
@ppp90021 I'm not defensive here; I know there is a social avalanche favouring women and sexual assault: ie women are never perpetrators of sexual crimes, and men are never victims of it. Well, Christian and Oliver both cheated on each other during their "Pause"/Separation. This separation was precipitated by Chris's "apparent" cheating with Jessica--even though it really is out of his character to "have sex" with women outside of trying to "push" Oliver's buttons.
I like it and I think that the scene in the cabin is a circle to a turning point for Chrolli. I found the irony of the wedding quite amusing and appropriate, now they have been married Ollies way and Christian's way. I thought it to be a very clever detail.
@daiselladarling lol! I wann pinch your cheeks! Think of it this way: What if the tables were reversed? If Jessica was at her home, whereever she lived at this point and Chris and Andy came over. They got her so drunk she couldn’t stand. Then they both took off her clothes and had sex with her, she passes out/blacks out, then wakes hours later only remembering fragments. She could say they took advantage of her while she was in an inebriated state. Sure she should’ve stopped drinking with them,
@daiselladarling and sure she shouldn’t have let C&A do a “half” strip tease, but she could still easily charge them after the fact with sexual assault, and it would stick. This is the inherent sexism in that law. It’s not that she didn’t assault them, or that the fall out in Chris and Andy’s personal lives was not just as devastating as it is for any victim in that situation; it is the public perception of men being “sexually” disadvantaged. Think of Julian Assange the founder of Wikileaks.
@WkElvis I'm a believer but there's the matter of hydraulics of male anatomy which, some will probably argue, serves to prove or disprove an assertion of nonconsensual sex. Hurray for Obama.
It appears to be the depths of winter at the cabin. Yet in Duesseldorf the lawns are green, the trees are in full leaf, the flowers are blooming. January reveals many sharply differing climatic zones in northwestern Germany, it seems.
@jarabaa lol it's filmed 3 months in advance so really it's October.I was laughing at the amount of smoke in the cabin,it's amazing no one suffered smoke inhalation.I love Chrolli & VL always make me smile, the mistakes they get away with that most other soaps would get crucified for,again the editing 2.48 christian lowers his blindfold to his lap, 2:51 he is raising it again, 2:54 it is nowhere to be seen as it is on his lap again. Every episode there are mistakes but it just makes me smile
Furthermore, nobody gave Oliver any shit for making out with Coco when she was dating Chris. i realize a lot of your moral high ground regards their vows but nobody takes into consideration that chris didnt set out to do it. in fact, we never had any proof it even happened. christian might not be perfect but neither was olli.
Emilio is hot, but dancing on an apron is a total mood killer. And he really could use some lessons.
The other two rings are, obviously, for Tristan and Marlene. Somehow they're gonna circumvent (I love using big words, let me be) Marelene's still standing marriage and get married.
Such a shame i used to really "believe" in the characters of Olli/Christian but they have gone from major split up with Christian sleeping with women (pleural) VERY easily AND dismissing Olli and his marriage vows in very disrespectful ways to suddenly getting married again and everything is OK,are the writers not capable of writing some sort of realistic dialogue or at least some sort of conversation between the 2 of them as to why Christian acted like he did ?? Just not believable in any way
@Barclay4456 As I recall the 8 months, it was actually Christian that continuously begged for forgiveness and tried repeatedly to get back with Olli. He also came clean with Olli about "what could have happened with J" even though he had no recollection. He did not just get found out. It seems that many of the viewers can forgive infidelity if it is with a man, but find it to be the ultimate betrayal if it is with a woman. Olli flaunted his in C's face. If they can forgive?
@66FLAV The best (ok the cutest) dancing was by Olli and Christian when Olli came back from some trip and they were both wearing hawaiin lei's on their heads. Can't remember which episode that was, but it was VERY cute. Somebody help me out with an episode number...
You know, I've just read the legislation on rape that Obama just changed. I've always maintained one of two things about the infidelity thing: 1/ Jessica didn't have sex with Chris and Andy and 2/ If she did, she sexually assaulted them. Now people want to be Christian haters for his possible infidelity, which I completely respect, and totally understand. However, under the new law (which hadn't changed in 80 years) Chris and Andy were too drunk to give their willing consent. And this makes
sense from what we know about Christian’s character. Now before anyone bites my face off, listen to my argument. In the past when Chris has flirted with women it was sheerly to push Oliver’s buttons. When Chris is stressed, he likes the sexual attention of women (think: his kiss with Rebecca and Miriam). However in this situation his intent was not to have sex. Thus when he says to Oliver “I don’t know how this happened”. He is being honest. And this new legal change is really significant.
Because it breaks the stereotype that only women are sexually assaulted, and only men are in positions of sexual power. This is an antiquated look at the power dynamics between men and women. Women are certainly capable of sexually assaulting a man. In this situation a pattern has been established. Jessica had slipped Andy a drug to incapacitate him in the past, (so she has a founded history of this). Chris and Andy did not go out of their way to find Jessica and have willing consensual
sex with her. They were sitting in their own legally owned place of residence and business and they had too many drinks with a dangerous person. But willing sexual engagement was not present because of their diminished capacity to make a decision. What does this mean? What this means, quite literally is that Christian while he was “with” Oliver, he did NOT have an affair. He didn’t. He did not break Oliver’s trust, by having sex outside of marriage.
What he did do, was naively put himself in a situation he thought he could control. He was sexually assaulted, and so was Andy. Thus, Christian did NOT have an affair on Oliver while he was with him. Phew!
@ppp90021 Now, don't bite my head off, but by the time the thing with Theresa happened, I think Christian felt he'd completely lost Olli, that their "break" was quickly heading towards "break-up" and that there was nothing he could do to stop Olli from leaving him for good. Theresa in my mind was just, as Charlie put it, distraction. She was as far from being someone he could seriously have a relationship with as you could get. It doesn't make it right, but the man was broken.
@WkElvis That is very lawyerly reasoning. What if Olli weren't dissuaded by it, not giving a gnat's ass about diminished capacity or any of the rest of the legal assertions but only caring that Christian ended up in a compromising predicament? Because that's exactly what happened.
Danke May für deine fabelhafte Arbeit. Du schaffst es VL - "the forbidden Love" - überall auf der Welt zu einem Renner zu machen. Respekt!
Aber bring doch in den neuen Folgen, die kommen werden, auch noch mal den Opener mit rein. Würde die Fans der Welt vielleicht auch mal interessieren, welch einen langen und qualitativ hochwertigen Opener es sich Germany bei dieser Soap leistet! Denn er kann sich sehen lassen!!!
just reading some of the comments now-this channel is Christian & Oliver(just like Nanna's channel previously).Some may be happy to keep watching if Christian or Oliver where to leave but not me & maybe MM will not sub in English if one of them where to leave,be careful what you wish for.It shouldn't matter who we think is the hottest, they are hot together, that is why we started watching this 4 year ago
Okay, I have to say I'm excited about something. Yay, yay! Obama just introduced a new change to the definition of rape. I can hardly contain my enthusiasm enough to write coherently. Here it is: "The new definition will include any gender of the victim and attacker and also assaults in which a victim CANNOT GIVE CONSENT because the individual has been INCAPACITATED by drugs or ALCOHOL."
Are people starting to understand what I'm getting at regarding the Chrollie storyline? The article starts with “The Obama administration on Friday broadened the definition of the crime of rape to include more forms of sexual assaults such as rape of men and oral or anal sex, the first major revision to the definition in more than 80 years.” I mentioned a few weeks ago, that Jessica sexually assaulted both Chris and Andy. Under this law, if they were American they could charge her. Any comments?
Christian"This is not Schneiders" 1.38- lol even blindfolded you can hear the difference between driving through a city centre or driving a while into the woods to a secluded cabin
@marksin1000 I completely respect your opinion, but I'm wondering if we can avoid conversations about who is the more attractive, more successful actor, bla bla bla. Let's be reasonable, we here watch the show because we like them together. Some people might favour one character over another, but so whaaat? It's an insubstantial argument--you know like "tomato/tomato" song. They're both good people, who like each other, and like working together. And that's why we like them. Right?
@danivanutti part of what gets people frustrated with the story, is the characters don't always seem to behave in ways consistent to their character/personality. Chris, for instance before he dated Oliver and just shortly afterward was a stickler for "not flirting", being honest, a stick in the mud when it came to loyalty. It would make sense that he would flirt with women (superficially) to push Oliver's buttons, but to actually "be" disloyal to suit his own pleasure doesn't make sense.
@danivanutti I think the writing seem strained after the whole Jessica stunt. In the past Chris kissed girls out of spite, in order to get back at Oli for bulldozing over him. But then there was the situation with Miri, when Chris was stressed about his heart condition, or kissing Rebecca when he was on the rocks with Ollie. Then after losing a child, he has a fight with Oli and sleeps with a woman. What are the writers saying?--that under stress, C returns to his het roots? Is Chris really gay?
i gotta say that i thought it would have been a bit too soon but i also gotta say that i am a happy camper right now! love Chrolli and thanks for the upload MercuryMay:)
I just honestly hope that Christian will never cheat on Olli again with another woman (or with anyone else for that matter) out of spite, as he's done many times before... please VL writers, redeem Christian, coz, at least for me, he still needs to make up for all the pain he put Olli through... when I watch this year's storyline, I feel soooo disappointed in Christian, it's like he's a totally different person than he was before... Olli, IMO, is a great guy and he deserves better...
Well I believe they both showed up with a set of rings so decided to wear both pairs. The scene has been either cut or will be shown perhaps in the next episode???
Pink butterfly blindfolds?! There were no solid black or blue or brown or green or red or white, etc. blindfolds available in all of Dusseldorf?! A little disappointed in the stereotypes... 8-\
@ingahauks77 vorbiden love.. a german soap.. this is a part of it.. the gay storyline.. watch it from the beginning.. there a lot on youtube.. MercuryMay01 hace covered the story for us. and there is also an account where you can find the first episodes... but you need time.. I think the gaystory runs for more then 4 years..:-)
@lode999 I know this is Vorbiden love. and it is a german soap. I have been watching Christian and Oliver for while now. I was asking about TV show that Thore is hosting.
@alexandriabanjoboy Emilio is a homophobic straight guy whom Olli met in Mallorca when he attended Emilio & Timo's pool party with Rafael. It's unlikely that Emilio would have been performing his little faux strip if the "queers," Olli & Christian, had been present at the celebration dinner.
what?? i hope you didn't write your silly comment while you were completely drunk . you're talking about Thore as if he is the German version of George Clooney. Gimme a break . If Oliver disappears , as you suggested , then nobody will be interested in watching your beloved Christian while fucking other women . This show has a meaning because of Olli not because of Christian whose confusion all the time makes me sick .Get a life!
@coldmemories1 cont'd I know they're just actors but since then I have been hooked on Christian.At that time I'd no idea about Christian falling for a man storyline,in my culture that is a big NO & if I'd had known then I wouldn't have started watching it that simple but because of Chris I became open minded.Everyone comes to Chrolli from different perspective but I have grown to love how loving 2 men can be.Oh I'd prob stop watching if Oli left too,just thought I'd share with u
@jogjog1000 same,your comment was moving and poweful. I'd miss either if they went, I'm Chrolli all the way but I understand that they are actors and one or both will eventual leave to move on with their career so until then I am just enjoying the ride
@coldmemories1 Get your knickers in a twist over Olli often, do you? We get it: you're his number one fan. One man's silly is another man's sincere opinion. And like assholes, everyone's got one.
I keep thinking with every new episode that Christian couldn't possibly get more beautiful and then here he goes proving me wrong again. What a gorgeous man!!!
@5:09 I wish Ricky Martin could unstrip. You know at the point where he takes his Jacket off: He puts his scarf and jacket back on, then walks backwards out of Schneiders. >x LMAO!!
@coldmemories1 For instance, when I first started to watch the show, my first thought was: Jo is a good looking guy--stunning in fact. I thought Thore was average/to a little above average. Now, as I've started to watch the show I think Thore is quite the pie of good looking sweetness. But their personalities have influenced this. I still wish Jessica would move to another part of the show--permanently. It's my best hope the actress continues to work for VL (a lot), but far away from our boys.
My first thought was that Jo is a damn good looking guy ... this thought has never changed up until now. Christian is too , but he's not my type. About Jessica , i just hope that she ends up under cement like our beloved Olivia. Being a bitch in this silly way makes me sick every time i see her. Ok , she seduces guys though she happens to have the ugliest female face in this show ... then what? .. what else can she do other than sleeping with x and y ?.... a fucked-up character
@coldmemories1 i loved your opinion about Jo... i will say we have almost the same opinion, i didn't find Jessica attractive NOT AT ALL, that is why i ask myself why did this guy like her??? that's the big Q.
@coldmemories1 that's untrue,I get that u like Oli but I'd miss Christian & this show has meaning to me cause of Christian,if he goes I'd prob stop watching.I started watching this soap before Oli's return only cause what Christian was going through with his dad as I could relate with family turning back cause of his addiction,like Gregor,then regretting it when he died(& my dad died same date Christian did).He potrayed that turmoil brill & made me think I must forgive my family
@coldmemories1 I love your posts btw! Now, although I agree with you about Jessica's physical unattractiveness (me of all people will sympathize with you there!), a great deal of what influences our opinion about a character is the personality. In general, an actor can have average, to above average looks (it's what you're born with right?) but it is always the personality that is the clincher. In general her character is not well written, IMO. I feel the same way about her as I did about Rob.:S
@marksin1000 although I don't agree with you, I'd still like to know your argument--why you think Oliver is a burden? for instance. Oliver has his faults, his taste in clothing being one of them, but at the end of the day, he's pretty hot. I don't just mean physically only. There's a certain sexual charisma that he has, it's just hard to pin point. Maybe because he's supportive and hot? I dunno. But I think Thore would even admit that if he were "inclined", he'd definitely be Jo/Olisexual.
that person is certainly talking out of his ass . his/her comment made me laugh hysterically . Olli is a burden for Christian ?? hahaha ... OMG .. sounds like some of Thore's fans lost their ability to recognize between right and wrong . Olli has a charisma that Christian will never be able to have not even in the afterlife. and that's enough for me to admit that i watch this soap only because of Jo :)
@coldmemories1 i agree to you, and i will say that when Jo was getting, well i say sorry for the word "older" he is getting more gorgeous, hotter and he has more charisma now.... i just love the personality of Jo on&off cam & i think this soap will never be us this big internationally w/out Jo...
He sure is ! He is now sexier than before . But i certainly hate those scarves . maybe these scarves covered the eyes of Thore's fans and made them completely blind concerning his hotness
@WraithCake8 I remember Thore saying once in an interview or something that if there was a gay man in him (i.e. if he was gay), he would fancy Jo, because he's hot! :-) I don't remember exactly what setting this was said in - anyone remember?
@Keyjeyno I think you are talking about an interview he did on a German talk show with two other cast members. If it is then he said it would be Jo because of all the emotional involvement they had shared together over the years.
@Keyjeyno Thore said this in a German interview when he was talking about his doubts about whether he could play a gay man convincingly since he never had. He also said that you never know what's in you until it's tested & that if he had any same sex attraction then he would certainly be drawn to Jo because of his talent & how much he enjoyed working with him. I don't recall his having said anything about Jo's being "hot" & he made it clear that he wasn't attracted to Jo sexually.
@sfvniceguy Hmm, yeah, I think I remember the interview you're talking about, but I don't think that's the one I remember. He didn't say it like he was serious, more like a joke. He's probably heard a lot of people call Jo that, so it might be an inside joke between them. It might have been at the GOOL event. Or maybe I'm just remembering wrong. Wishful thinking, perhaps ;-p
@Keyjeyno I recall that Thore also said (half jokingly, maybe?) at the GOOL event that he thought Christian & Olli should have sex with other people to keep the story interesting. The reaction from Jo & the fans there was not favorable. The writers gave Thore his wish & all but destroyed the Chrolli story.
@sfvniceguy As you've pointed out earlier, comments don't always appear in connection to the ones they refer to, so I'm not sure which one of my comments you're answering here... but I agree that the turn of events in the last year really put a dent in the Chrolli story, to put it mildly... I think we just have to put the last year behind us, keep in mind that it's a soap, i.e. doesn't always make sense in a logical world, and enjoy Chrolli as best we can from now.
@sfvniceguy No, what he said was "as an ACTOR" it's good to have story lines with other people so things don't get boring. He meant just to keep it fresh, but Jo was teasing him and started pouting and the audience went "awwww" and poor Thore had to explain what he meant. (But alas, people are still getting it wrong.)
Thanks so much May - it was short but oh so sweet! I just LOVED it. This was just a quiet little intimate cermeony, just for them, no one else. The first one gave us all something big and spectacular - but this was quite like Christian had descibed the type of wedding he wanted, so they both got their wish! - I loved how they were almost in a trance at the end and has to be interrupted by the minister - so cute!!! And now they have 4 rings :) - 2 marriages are better than one! ~ CHROLLI FOREVER!
coyleJ 1 week ago
thank you my dear mercury may for uploading this great story. i'm watching this story for quite sometime now. love it. keep uploading this story. with love and peace: madeline
8bride 1 month ago
MercuryMay01 Thanks alot for the eps that you have done you are a wonderful person to be doing these translations for us, sorry to hear that you are leaving, I wish it wasn't so , I really liked reading the discrips that you did for the eps they were very funny. Thanks again I hope all go's will for you.
tigger19771 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MercuryMay01
Is it funny that they traveled a long way to the cabin and Christian still can't figure out what is happening and stupid enough to wonder that place is not Schneiders?
revolutionhk 1 month ago
I can't say that I'm satisfied with this second wedding of Chrolli, very poorly edited episode, this looks more like a show of the other characters with Chrolli somewhere on the edge. and for me personally it's very frustrating to see so little scenes with Olli. this show gives way too little screentime to such an amazing actor like Jo and so sweet character like Olli.
the authors have decided to reconcile chrolli , great ! but for something like that ?
I really expected something better :/
MegaEmma67 1 month ago 2
Yummm... Emilio, lecker!
kureyon19 1 month ago
@JKateC idk...there are some cute scenes inbetween but u don't have to torture yourself just for that xD
thosenightswrong 1 month ago
@thosenightswrong very good advice
everettb100 1 month ago
@everettb100 xD
thosenightswrong 1 month ago
wow emilio's HOT
thosenightswrong 1 month ago
@JKateC Yeah, in Europe it's the right hand but you can still choose. There are also couples where the girl wears it on the right hand and the boy on the left, for example. But I don't know why it's the right...
thosenightswrong 1 month ago in playlist 2 Christian & Oliver - HD with closed captions - Playlist 2
when will the next part be up please?
nate1ification 1 month ago
SO SO SO HAPPY!!!
regininha1975 1 month ago
@daiselladarling Compromising Position: Personally I think Chris is not bisexual but gay. I think he does get a great deal of security from women finding him attractive. But ultimately, he's not attracted to them, hence he thinks he can control every situation he finds himself in with them. Thus the tossing Rebecca about, Miriam is just a stand by, ye catch the drift. But then he encountered two very dangerous women: Theresa and Jessica: Jessica cost him his marriage, Theresa cost him his job.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@sfvniceguy I think the only way to reconstitute their relationship is to bring in a "NEW" piece of information. Unfortunately, the writers have missed many opportunities, so I think a new element would have to be a lot of back tracking. ie: if Jess went on to do something really mean it would serve to remind the audience what she is like, and thereby remind O. Next, they'd discover an e-mail she'd sent to someone confessing that she didn't sleep with A & C, she just did it to get back at Helna
WkElvis 1 month ago
@daiselladarling IMO stress ultimately shows people's character--Do you behave destructively under stress, or do you simply behave badly? Everyone behaves badly under stress to one degree to another. But when one's life pattern is to behave destructively under stress, that's bad. People like that you need to avoid, because they don't just hurt you (hurt your feelings), they bring you "harm": Destroy your mental health, physically or financially harm you. I think C is a hurter but not a "harmer".
WkElvis 1 month ago
@daiselladarling I PMed you about this earlier, but I'll mention it here. For me, there are two things that end a relationship: sex outside the rel., and abandonment. By abandonment I mean, when things get difficult, one partner leaves; We can say that Chris has never abandoned Ollie--even with the AIDS thing. My greater point was to establish whether he was "the cheating type", meaning under stress, he'd take his pants off for someone else. I don't think that's his character.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@WkElvis I agree.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
I love Jens Hartwig, he really express with theatrical faces^^
Waterspirit07 1 month ago in playlist Altri video di MercuryMay01
It's such a shame there was so much bad writing for Christian this last year, it's like the current writers are trying to fix it, but don't really know how. They could at least have had Olli and Christian mention in a "by the way" type of way that the two of them had had a long talk about everything and sorted it out. That way it would make more sense them moving on, and the writers wouldn't have to write the actual scene (that would, in all fairness, be a pretty darn loooong scene, hehe).
Keyjeyno 1 month ago
I've been noticing on YouTube recently that often replies to comments aren't actually connected to the comments but show up elsewhere. I find this very confusing & annoying.
sfvniceguy 1 month ago 8
Should Chrolli be reunited ...ofcourse, the divorce was something neither of them wanted,, should the writers have solved all their issues and problems and given them, this so called happy ending , and fait de compli. many seem to crave....NO not yet, this is a Soap and it and Chrolli , have to have storyline's! They are going to be on the Backburner for a while anyway, as is the way with soaps, they had their big dream wedding, this was just righting a wrong.:-)
Tinkerbell5046 1 month ago
Reading comments-can we have a new episode please to give people to comment on because comments are getting crazy.In the past Christian did wrong,Oli did wrong and they have now starting a new and when you really do that you can't drag up the past, unlike some comments.Congrats, on and off it has been 4 years,what a ride,longer than most people commenting.Well done Thore & Jo
sabinasabina2010 1 month ago
@sabinasabina2010 But "starting anew" doesn't change what happened or erase the problems that caused it. The writers did serious damage to the personalities & character of Christian & Olli (Christian as a vindictive serial cheater & Olli as a psycho bitch). Once the newness of this rekindled romance wears off & they settle in to Christian's new "lifestyle" those old problems could easily resurface & extinguish the flames. The problems need to be resolved & the (cont'd.)
sfvniceguy 1 month ago
@sfvniceguy (Cont'd.) loving character of both Christian & Olli restored in a realistic way. The writers can give Christian & Olli selective amnesia, but they can't do that to the fans. They can then create drama by giving them problems that they deal with TOGETHER instead of against each other.
sfvniceguy 1 month ago
@sfvniceguy that's soap for you esp VL lol!!! Said before it's not just Chrolli but most characters don't have deep conversations on Vl,has Andi talked to Jessica about rape charges,Andi with Helena about deceiving each other,Tristen to Helena about fancying his sister,Dana to her sister about her true feelings with Hagen,Rebecca & Miriam's break up went under the radar-I could go on.At this point Chrolli got married & it means starting a new so enjoy Chrolli cause it won't last forever
sabinasabina2010 1 month ago
@sabinasabina2010 Well said.....
everettb100 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2
I think their relationship was very tumultuous after they lost Lily. This devastates people, and some never recover. So all of their non-sense makes sense in light of that tragedy. Christian certainly has loved Oliver in the past. There are so many examples: He would've married Ollie regardless of the AIDS outcome; he announced to the boxing world his love for Oliver; he married him in a large celebration, shared a child; for a straight man turned gay--Oliver is everything to him.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@daiselladarling I hear ya! There's only two things I can use to counter this, men get erections quite easily over completely non-sexual things sometimes. I think of it like a barometer for the weather! LOL!!! However, it looks like when she meant sex, she meant oral sex. What's interesting is that they were both in the exact sitting position when they started the night as well they had finished in the morning--sans clothing. I think they flirted with her when they were drunk,
WkElvis 1 month ago
@daiselladarling she sexually assaulted them, then she took their clothes off, after they had passed out. Things like this are looked into when a rape charge is involved: Where were you sitting? How many drinks did you have? Where were you when you woke up? bla bla bla. It's Occam's razor theory: the simplest explanation is the most likely. Also, think of Jessica's personality: two men do her at the same time--what a feather in her cap--though neither can really remember clearly.
WkElvis 1 month ago
Has Christian learned from his mistakes ? we have not been shown in any way that he has,no doubt Olli/Christian love each other but when another stormy situation/misunderstandings happen will they communicate better or will Christian revert to previous behaviours.I wish the writers were capable of better/there could have been some sort of dialogue build up to them getting back together,not to put too fine a point on it it could have been the hottest most mature thing ever with credible writing.
Barclay4456 1 month ago 7
@Barclay4456 I totally agree & resent the way the writers just seem to be rushing to sweep the last months' absurdities under the rug. Christian & Olli have finally realized that they can't be happy without each other, but how are they going to be happy WITH each other until they have honest dialogue about their feelings, why what happened happened, & what they need from each other going forward? The writers have never let either of them have much self-insight & it's time for that.
sfvniceguy 1 month ago
@Barclay4456 Well, we will soon see that Olli, certainly, hasn't learnt anything from his mistakes. Don't want to post any spoilers here, but suffice it to say that he still is ignoring Christian's wishes and inducing him to accept decisions he knows is wrong. Christian is so grateful that they are back together that he goes along with Olli, rather than risk a confrontation.
moqique 1 month ago
People are flawed beings. We make mistakes, some horrible. Fortunately, we have the capacity to learn from those mistakes and we have the capacity to forgive. Equally important, we have the capacity to recognize what is ultimately important and what is or is worrth fighting for. If there is any merit to this 8 month break up storyline, it is that realization. Once again, focusing on the topic and not the fact that the characters are gay. I have not met the perfect person yet.
everettb100 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2
and writer and producers are able.
everettb100 1 month ago
i feel there remain some important storylines left for Chrolli, that perhaps only this couple can present with credibility. Given that their relationship has gone on for four years, exploring meaningful gay relationship challenges of longer term partnerships. For other programs to do this, they would have to invest the time in the characters that VL have. Few are will to do so, as evidenced by the past. I feel the good work should continue as long as Jo and Thore are willing.
everettb100 1 month ago
Christian did not continously fight for Olli after the Jessica incident he tried to talk to him maybe 2 or 3 times ? and then he very easily went off with Theresa and lets not forget many times before C always used getting off with women to taunt/hurt O the most whenever they had an argument so he has always used Ollis worst nightmare against him.Christian/Theresa went on for months and he taunted O with it,Olli/Raf was fleeting and only AFTER Chris disrespected Olli/their marriage vows so much
Barclay4456 1 month ago
When so many question Christian's commitment to his relationship with Olli, let us not forget that he had to face more change when he faced and acknowledged his love for Olli than Olli had to for him. What had been his truth up to that point, no longer was truth. And once he did, he was willing to face the world with his love. Olli was the cautious one. This, to me, is the power of the storyline and that which many can identify with. Let us give Christian credit for that, shall we?
everettb100 1 month ago
@everettb100
I'm really sorry but you cannot compare the two situations.
Christian & Theresa lasted for months, whereas Olli and Raf lasted for 5 minutes. Christian had more time to throw his woman in Olli face.
MegaMsj1 1 month ago
@MegaMsj1 What about the one night stands? Don't forget Olli's kissing Christian's then live in girlfriend in 08 and his representing himself as bi-sexual. I am not judging either one. The whole situation was messed up.... But I think there is no question of both of their commitments to each other. And they are moving beyond it. Given that the writers do not appear to want to have an episode that has them discussing the problems of the past, what are they to do?
everettb100 1 month ago
@everettb100
I honestly don’t think the writers can do much now. There are no words they can put in Christian’s month that can excuse his behaviour over the last 8 months. What’s done is done unfortunately.
MegaMsj1 1 month ago
@MegaMsj1 I guess we have been watching different programs or at least from different perspectives..It will be what it will be....
everettb100 1 month ago
@MegaMsj1 Here we go again: beating that dead horse. The writers have finally moved on. Why don't you? The matter of who did the other the dirtiest has been debated ad nauseam. And to what purpose? In the end, when faced with the prospect of a life without Christian, victimized Olli placed his pride on the shelf, pinned his badge of courage over his heart, and chose a flawed, unpredictable Christian. Parsing this season in hell for Chrolli further is an exercise in futility.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
@MegaMsj1 Personally, I agree with you. I think after the whole Jess thing, everything started to deteriorate in Chris's character--but this would be consistent with being victimized. I suppose what I'm interested in, is not so much in defending Chris's character (I would never date Chris), but in trying to figure out why his character became so despicable after the whole Jessica thing. It's just never sat well with me, and I think because there was an inequality of choice in that situation.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@MegaMsj1 I guess for me, I see J as the whole thing that got the ball rolling to begin with. Look I'm not defending Chris's idiocy. If it were me, I'd metaphorically chop off his block and tackle. I would have done that after he kissed Miriam for the first time. Marital unfaithfulness is a deal breaker, no matter what. But I do believe he was sexually assaulted. Victims tend to blame themselves and Chris was like, "well Ollie thinks this, so this must be true--nothing matters any more anyway."
WkElvis 1 month ago
Well the ending was really hot!
maigokonekochan 1 month ago
WKElvis,you've gone to a lot of trouble to give reasons for Christians behaviour with J but even if i don't agree with you we can leave that incident because of the character C became afterwards,awful really SO flawed sleeping very easily with another woman and disrespecting Olli/his marriage vows so easily in a very bad way verbally as well.Hee was not willing to fight for Olli/his marriage in any way a mature adult would,having a heart attack does not suddenly excuse a badly flawed character
Barclay4456 1 month ago
@Barclay4456
I agree with you, who cares about Jessica. The real problem was Theresa and Chris's awful relationship that went on for months.
MegaMsj1 1 month ago
I think the issue isn't Chris's discretion, or lack there of, but rather his intentions and at what point he was no longer able to make a clear decision to have a sexual encounter. Or put it this way, now under US law is Jessica allowed to have a drink with Chris and Andy? Sure. Is she allowed to have sex with them if they hadn't given her explicit permission before they got drunk--no. She would then be charged with sexual assault, and these charges would stick. Quite logical really. :)
WkElvis 1 month ago
@Barclay4456 Okay, here is the BAL (blood alcohol level), and the symptoms: " .16% to .19% Very Drunk - Euphoria may give way to unpleasant feelings (depression), difficulty talking/walking/standing, sharp increase in chances of physically injuring yourself or others, may experience a blackout at this level or higher, nausea, dizzy, blurred vision." How can someone make a decision to have sex at this point? Always remember if the genders were reversed.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@Barclay4456 No, you're right--Chris should have retired for the evening and not stayed down in the bar, however was he able to? How drunk was he at the point when Hagan and Niko's husband left? If we focus on the Jessica thing alone, not anything else, I think you'll follow my drift better. Right after the sexcapade, perhaps even before sex stuff Chris blacked out--no? What does your blood alcohol level have to be before you black out? I'll google it and get back to you. :)
WkElvis 1 month ago
@MercuryMay01 hey MM,i was wondering if there were ollie storylines before christian,with english subs ? and txs for all your hard work
thebiglover1987 1 month ago
@thebiglover1987 There was another Gaystory with Olli from 2000 till 2002. His friend was Tom Seifert, who played a doctor. You can find these storys here under Tom & Olli but they are just in german
mike78387 1 month ago
@mike78387 txs any way,i dont know german,which eats me up a little bit more every day now
thebiglover1987 1 month ago
If the scenario of C ? having sex with Jessica was partly because she got him drunk/drugged it still does NOT excuse him putting himself in that situation in the first place/him repeartedly sleeping with Theresa (was that her name ?) whilst stone cold sober and flaunting it in front of Olli AND kissing making out with girls before that whenever he and O had an argument etc AND speaking of O/his marriage vows to her in a VERY bad way,none of this has been addressed.C is a very flawed now
Barclay4456 1 month ago 4
@CzarriaAfdemaur Exactly. We know he didn't set out to do it; we also know that he was intoxicated--he couldn't give full consent because he didn't have his wits about him. We know based on Chris's past, that the only time he's flirted girls was to push Oliver's buttons. In THIS situation, he didn't set out to do that. Christian certainly has his faults (like why the hell was he drinking with HER to begin with?), but this situation was different. That's why it hasn't sat well with many fans.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@ppp90021 based on all the evidence we have, I really think that in THAT SITUATION Christian was sexually assaulted by Jessica. He was not in a mental state, where he could "give" consent, and when one is not in a state to give consent that IS sexual assault. We know that it is not out of character for Jessica to take advantage of people. I'm just glad that now in the US, men are also able to equally charge for sexual crimes. Maybe if this was also law in DE, Jessica may have hesitated.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@WkElvis It is very unclear as to whether sex actually took place between J and C or J and A. In fact, there have been many subtle indications that J was about to come clean on that. See op 133. It has always set bad with me the whole taking a picture thing. It sets right there with the false rape claim. As for the "affair" with Theresa, they were separated and that falls into the same category as all the encounters by Olli during that timeframe. Pretty soon J will be an Olivia
everettb100 1 month ago
@ppp90021 I'm not defensive here; I know there is a social avalanche favouring women and sexual assault: ie women are never perpetrators of sexual crimes, and men are never victims of it. Well, Christian and Oliver both cheated on each other during their "Pause"/Separation. This separation was precipitated by Chris's "apparent" cheating with Jessica--even though it really is out of his character to "have sex" with women outside of trying to "push" Oliver's buttons.
WkElvis 1 month ago
loved it!!!
happy new year for mercurymay! thank you once more for all the work.
happy new year for all the chrolli fans!! may all of us have a lot of fun and love with them!
happy new year chrolli! may your roles be for ever in love!
rurrufin 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2
I like it and I think that the scene in the cabin is a circle to a turning point for Chrolli. I found the irony of the wedding quite amusing and appropriate, now they have been married Ollies way and Christian's way. I thought it to be a very clever detail.
Thanks again May for the posts.
BruceDBennett 1 month ago
@daiselladarling lol! I wann pinch your cheeks! Think of it this way: What if the tables were reversed? If Jessica was at her home, whereever she lived at this point and Chris and Andy came over. They got her so drunk she couldn’t stand. Then they both took off her clothes and had sex with her, she passes out/blacks out, then wakes hours later only remembering fragments. She could say they took advantage of her while she was in an inebriated state. Sure she should’ve stopped drinking with them,
WkElvis 1 month ago
@daiselladarling and sure she shouldn’t have let C&A do a “half” strip tease, but she could still easily charge them after the fact with sexual assault, and it would stick. This is the inherent sexism in that law. It’s not that she didn’t assault them, or that the fall out in Chris and Andy’s personal lives was not just as devastating as it is for any victim in that situation; it is the public perception of men being “sexually” disadvantaged. Think of Julian Assange the founder of Wikileaks.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@WkElvis I'm a believer but there's the matter of hydraulics of male anatomy which, some will probably argue, serves to prove or disprove an assertion of nonconsensual sex. Hurray for Obama.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
It appears to be the depths of winter at the cabin. Yet in Duesseldorf the lawns are green, the trees are in full leaf, the flowers are blooming. January reveals many sharply differing climatic zones in northwestern Germany, it seems.
jarabaa 1 month ago
@jarabaa lol it's filmed 3 months in advance so really it's October.I was laughing at the amount of smoke in the cabin,it's amazing no one suffered smoke inhalation.I love Chrolli & VL always make me smile, the mistakes they get away with that most other soaps would get crucified for,again the editing 2.48 christian lowers his blindfold to his lap, 2:51 he is raising it again, 2:54 it is nowhere to be seen as it is on his lap again. Every episode there are mistakes but it just makes me smile
jogjog1000 1 month ago
Furthermore, nobody gave Oliver any shit for making out with Coco when she was dating Chris. i realize a lot of your moral high ground regards their vows but nobody takes into consideration that chris didnt set out to do it. in fact, we never had any proof it even happened. christian might not be perfect but neither was olli.
CzarriaAfdemaur 1 month ago
@CzarriaAfdemaur Keep preaching this message, loud and clear: to set the record straight.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
I just watched the 4 last videos in a row because I had trouble with my account, so that said, THANK YOU, @MERCURYMAY01 ! You rule!
valnyra 1 month ago
Emilio is hot, but dancing on an apron is a total mood killer. And he really could use some lessons.
The other two rings are, obviously, for Tristan and Marlene. Somehow they're gonna circumvent (I love using big words, let me be) Marelene's still standing marriage and get married.
valnyra 1 month ago
why were there 4 rings?
jimenezjpyta 1 month ago in playlist Higit pang mga video mula kay MercuryMay01
@jimenezjpyta 2 engagement rings (as Christian ate his) & 2 wedding rings.
jogjog1000 1 month ago
Such a shame i used to really "believe" in the characters of Olli/Christian but they have gone from major split up with Christian sleeping with women (pleural) VERY easily AND dismissing Olli and his marriage vows in very disrespectful ways to suddenly getting married again and everything is OK,are the writers not capable of writing some sort of realistic dialogue or at least some sort of conversation between the 2 of them as to why Christian acted like he did ?? Just not believable in any way
Barclay4456 1 month ago 4
@Barclay4456 As I recall the 8 months, it was actually Christian that continuously begged for forgiveness and tried repeatedly to get back with Olli. He also came clean with Olli about "what could have happened with J" even though he had no recollection. He did not just get found out. It seems that many of the viewers can forgive infidelity if it is with a man, but find it to be the ultimate betrayal if it is with a woman. Olli flaunted his in C's face. If they can forgive?
everettb100 1 month ago
Can't anyone dance on this show?
66FLAV 1 month ago 9
@66FLAV The best (ok the cutest) dancing was by Olli and Christian when Olli came back from some trip and they were both wearing hawaiin lei's on their heads. Can't remember which episode that was, but it was VERY cute. Somebody help me out with an episode number...
Cinnamongal77 1 month ago
You know, I've just read the legislation on rape that Obama just changed. I've always maintained one of two things about the infidelity thing: 1/ Jessica didn't have sex with Chris and Andy and 2/ If she did, she sexually assaulted them. Now people want to be Christian haters for his possible infidelity, which I completely respect, and totally understand. However, under the new law (which hadn't changed in 80 years) Chris and Andy were too drunk to give their willing consent. And this makes
WkElvis 1 month ago
sense from what we know about Christian’s character. Now before anyone bites my face off, listen to my argument. In the past when Chris has flirted with women it was sheerly to push Oliver’s buttons. When Chris is stressed, he likes the sexual attention of women (think: his kiss with Rebecca and Miriam). However in this situation his intent was not to have sex. Thus when he says to Oliver “I don’t know how this happened”. He is being honest. And this new legal change is really significant.
WkElvis 1 month ago
Because it breaks the stereotype that only women are sexually assaulted, and only men are in positions of sexual power. This is an antiquated look at the power dynamics between men and women. Women are certainly capable of sexually assaulting a man. In this situation a pattern has been established. Jessica had slipped Andy a drug to incapacitate him in the past, (so she has a founded history of this). Chris and Andy did not go out of their way to find Jessica and have willing consensual
WkElvis 1 month ago
sex with her. They were sitting in their own legally owned place of residence and business and they had too many drinks with a dangerous person. But willing sexual engagement was not present because of their diminished capacity to make a decision. What does this mean? What this means, quite literally is that Christian while he was “with” Oliver, he did NOT have an affair. He didn’t. He did not break Oliver’s trust, by having sex outside of marriage.
WkElvis 1 month ago
What he did do, was naively put himself in a situation he thought he could control. He was sexually assaulted, and so was Andy. Thus, Christian did NOT have an affair on Oliver while he was with him. Phew!
WkElvis 1 month ago
@WkElvis Good luck with that assertion.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
@WkElvis
"He was sexually assaulted "....LOL ..It's most lame justification of Christian's cheating on Olli , I have ever heard !
Christian cheated on Olli when he was IN the relationship with Olli - it's fact !
and it's another fact , that Christian cheated on Olli again with Theresa when Olli wanted just a pause ( because of Christians cheating ;) )
ppp90021 1 month ago 8
@ppp90021 Now, don't bite my head off, but by the time the thing with Theresa happened, I think Christian felt he'd completely lost Olli, that their "break" was quickly heading towards "break-up" and that there was nothing he could do to stop Olli from leaving him for good. Theresa in my mind was just, as Charlie put it, distraction. She was as far from being someone he could seriously have a relationship with as you could get. It doesn't make it right, but the man was broken.
Keyjeyno 1 month ago
@ppp90021
Well-told!
Britin85 1 month ago
@WkElvis That is very lawyerly reasoning. What if Olli weren't dissuaded by it, not giving a gnat's ass about diminished capacity or any of the rest of the legal assertions but only caring that Christian ended up in a compromising predicament? Because that's exactly what happened.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
Danke May für deine fabelhafte Arbeit. Du schaffst es VL - "the forbidden Love" - überall auf der Welt zu einem Renner zu machen. Respekt!
Aber bring doch in den neuen Folgen, die kommen werden, auch noch mal den Opener mit rein. Würde die Fans der Welt vielleicht auch mal interessieren, welch einen langen und qualitativ hochwertigen Opener es sich Germany bei dieser Soap leistet! Denn er kann sich sehen lassen!!!
mike78387 1 month ago
just reading some of the comments now-this channel is Christian & Oliver(just like Nanna's channel previously).Some may be happy to keep watching if Christian or Oliver where to leave but not me & maybe MM will not sub in English if one of them where to leave,be careful what you wish for.It shouldn't matter who we think is the hottest, they are hot together, that is why we started watching this 4 year ago
sabinasabina2010 1 month ago 4
When Christian paused (4:15) then said, "Yep, I do", I had the biggest smile on my face. :)
chrollifetime 1 month ago
Okay, I have to say I'm excited about something. Yay, yay! Obama just introduced a new change to the definition of rape. I can hardly contain my enthusiasm enough to write coherently. Here it is: "The new definition will include any gender of the victim and attacker and also assaults in which a victim CANNOT GIVE CONSENT because the individual has been INCAPACITATED by drugs or ALCOHOL."
WkElvis 1 month ago
Are people starting to understand what I'm getting at regarding the Chrollie storyline? The article starts with “The Obama administration on Friday broadened the definition of the crime of rape to include more forms of sexual assaults such as rape of men and oral or anal sex, the first major revision to the definition in more than 80 years.” I mentioned a few weeks ago, that Jessica sexually assaulted both Chris and Andy. Under this law, if they were American they could charge her. Any comments?
WkElvis 1 month ago 2
Christian"This is not Schneiders" 1.38- lol even blindfolded you can hear the difference between driving through a city centre or driving a while into the woods to a secluded cabin
sabinasabina2010 1 month ago
@daiselladarling LMAO!!
WkElvis 1 month ago
meanwhile at schneiders... LOL
iamcool85 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
wouldn't it be nice to see them trying to have a child again. Maybe with a surrogate mum, that could be an interesting storyline coming ahead, right?
NancyMcTray 1 month ago
Is the same sex marriage legal in Germany?
topiaycat 1 month ago
@topiaycat We have no same sex marriage in all german states but a civil union is possible!
kevingersn 1 month ago
@kevingersn Thank you for your answer. By the way I thought... :)
topiaycat 1 month ago
@topiaycat yes it is!
mike78387 1 month ago
@mike78387 Wait! I'm so confused now. @kevingersn said isn't, just the civil union possible. Well?
topiaycat 1 month ago
@topiaycat okay?!
mike78387 1 month ago
@marksin1000 I completely respect your opinion, but I'm wondering if we can avoid conversations about who is the more attractive, more successful actor, bla bla bla. Let's be reasonable, we here watch the show because we like them together. Some people might favour one character over another, but so whaaat? It's an insubstantial argument--you know like "tomato/tomato" song. They're both good people, who like each other, and like working together. And that's why we like them. Right?
WkElvis 1 month ago 3
@danivanutti part of what gets people frustrated with the story, is the characters don't always seem to behave in ways consistent to their character/personality. Chris, for instance before he dated Oliver and just shortly afterward was a stickler for "not flirting", being honest, a stick in the mud when it came to loyalty. It would make sense that he would flirt with women (superficially) to push Oliver's buttons, but to actually "be" disloyal to suit his own pleasure doesn't make sense.
WkElvis 1 month ago
@danivanutti I think the writing seem strained after the whole Jessica stunt. In the past Chris kissed girls out of spite, in order to get back at Oli for bulldozing over him. But then there was the situation with Miri, when Chris was stressed about his heart condition, or kissing Rebecca when he was on the rocks with Ollie. Then after losing a child, he has a fight with Oli and sleeps with a woman. What are the writers saying?--that under stress, C returns to his het roots? Is Chris really gay?
WkElvis 1 month ago
i gotta say that i thought it would have been a bit too soon but i also gotta say that i am a happy camper right now! love Chrolli and thanks for the upload MercuryMay:)
krazykay17 1 month ago
I just honestly hope that Christian will never cheat on Olli again with another woman (or with anyone else for that matter) out of spite, as he's done many times before... please VL writers, redeem Christian, coz, at least for me, he still needs to make up for all the pain he put Olli through... when I watch this year's storyline, I feel soooo disappointed in Christian, it's like he's a totally different person than he was before... Olli, IMO, is a great guy and he deserves better...
danivanutti 1 month ago 2
@danivanutti Olli's gotten better: a "new" Christian, one raised from the dead (quite literally). He seems happy. Be happy for him.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
Tristan discreetly looking away when Chrolli kissed was funny. Emilio, looking good! 4 rings... 2 for the past and 2 for the future.. So romantic!
iluvjensen1 1 month ago
why four rings?
4skymylove 1 month ago
Emilio is soooooo hooot!!!!!!
2011kingofdead 1 month ago
Ahhhh so romantic love this idea of a romantic marriage..... And OMG!!!!! Emilio is soooooo Hot!!!!!
lance787 1 month ago
OMG they play Glen Hansard!!!! *.* I always loved them but now....now I ADORE them
Josi098 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2
Well I believe they both showed up with a set of rings so decided to wear both pairs. The scene has been either cut or will be shown perhaps in the next episode???
bargalad 1 month ago
Pink butterfly blindfolds?! There were no solid black or blue or brown or green or red or white, etc. blindfolds available in all of Dusseldorf?! A little disappointed in the stereotypes... 8-\
GuestEightyFour 1 month ago
@GuestEightyFour I was thinking the same thing, but then it struck me that Olli probably just stole it from Jessica for the occasion.
Lilynettemiel 1 month ago
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@GuestEightyFour I was thinking the same thing, but then it struck me that Olli probably just stole it from Jessica for the occasion.
Lilynettemiel 1 month ago
@marksin1000 What TV show is that?
ingahauks77 1 month ago
@ingahauks77 vorbiden love.. a german soap.. this is a part of it.. the gay storyline.. watch it from the beginning.. there a lot on youtube.. MercuryMay01 hace covered the story for us. and there is also an account where you can find the first episodes... but you need time.. I think the gaystory runs for more then 4 years..:-)
lode999 1 month ago
@lode999 I know this is Vorbiden love. and it is a german soap. I have been watching Christian and Oliver for while now. I was asking about TV show that Thore is hosting.
ingahauks77 1 month ago
why are there four rings?? x
calvinANNDhobbes326 1 month ago
@calvinANNDhobbes326 I've been wondering the same thing. Any idea among the viewers?
manikineko 1 month ago
@manikineko two rings from their 1st Wedding and now 2 new rings for the 2nd time
mike78387 1 month ago
@mike78387 Ah, that makes perfect sense, thanks for the explanation :-)
manikineko 1 month ago
oooh romantic.. not logic at all, like andypetuk says... but nice.. I like it:-)
lode999 1 month ago
Guys who is Emilio...he is so damn hot....love the way he dances side ways showing his curves...OMG....
alexandriabanjoboy 1 month ago
@alexandriabanjoboy Emilio is a homophobic straight guy whom Olli met in Mallorca when he attended Emilio & Timo's pool party with Rafael. It's unlikely that Emilio would have been performing his little faux strip if the "queers," Olli & Christian, had been present at the celebration dinner.
sfvniceguy 1 month ago
yay! love chrolli together forever! Love that they played When Your Mind's Made Up by Glen Hansard from the film Once (watch that too - great film!)
gunnersgirl04 1 month ago
what is the real name of EMILIO???
nizar0191 1 month ago
Emilio is HOT!!!!
chink30707 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2
they are switching between a homophobic man striping and two other men kissing after renewing their vows, whatttt?????
im so confused, and everyone at the party is celebrating. wtf????
perhaps the writers are not as sensitive as the viewers are?
ucha10 1 month ago 3
@ucha10 I think we've established that fact a long time ago. :-)
sfvniceguy 1 month ago
can anybody tell me the name of the song at the end?
BQPoperations 1 month ago
emilio really has a great body
BQPoperations 1 month ago
@marksin1000
what?? i hope you didn't write your silly comment while you were completely drunk . you're talking about Thore as if he is the German version of George Clooney. Gimme a break . If Oliver disappears , as you suggested , then nobody will be interested in watching your beloved Christian while fucking other women . This show has a meaning because of Olli not because of Christian whose confusion all the time makes me sick .Get a life!
coldmemories1 1 month ago 2
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jogjog1000 1 month ago
@coldmemories1 cont'd I know they're just actors but since then I have been hooked on Christian.At that time I'd no idea about Christian falling for a man storyline,in my culture that is a big NO & if I'd had known then I wouldn't have started watching it that simple but because of Chris I became open minded.Everyone comes to Chrolli from different perspective but I have grown to love how loving 2 men can be.Oh I'd prob stop watching if Oli left too,just thought I'd share with u
jogjog1000 1 month ago
@jogjog1000 same,your comment was moving and poweful. I'd miss either if they went, I'm Chrolli all the way but I understand that they are actors and one or both will eventual leave to move on with their career so until then I am just enjoying the ride
sabinasabina2010 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2
@coldmemories1 Cut back on swiggin' the cough medicine. You seem as equally inebriated as marky mark...
daiselladarling 1 month ago
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@coldmemories1 Get your knickers in a twist over Olli often, do you? We get it: you're his number one fan. One man's silly is another man's sincere opinion. And like assholes, everyone's got one.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
I keep thinking with every new episode that Christian couldn't possibly get more beautiful and then here he goes proving me wrong again. What a gorgeous man!!!
marilyn471964 1 month ago
aw, I cried again! and got to see a hotty strip!
phoenix3370 1 month ago
@5:09 I wish Ricky Martin could unstrip. You know at the point where he takes his Jacket off: He puts his scarf and jacket back on, then walks backwards out of Schneiders. >x LMAO!!
WraithCake8 1 month ago
@shak15ti No one has asked or said anything inappropriate here, and let May enforce her own rules. :)
WraithCake8 1 month ago
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shak15ti 1 month ago
@coldmemories1 For instance, when I first started to watch the show, my first thought was: Jo is a good looking guy--stunning in fact. I thought Thore was average/to a little above average. Now, as I've started to watch the show I think Thore is quite the pie of good looking sweetness. But their personalities have influenced this. I still wish Jessica would move to another part of the show--permanently. It's my best hope the actress continues to work for VL (a lot), but far away from our boys.
WraithCake8 1 month ago
@WraithCake8
My first thought was that Jo is a damn good looking guy ... this thought has never changed up until now. Christian is too , but he's not my type. About Jessica , i just hope that she ends up under cement like our beloved Olivia. Being a bitch in this silly way makes me sick every time i see her. Ok , she seduces guys though she happens to have the ugliest female face in this show ... then what? .. what else can she do other than sleeping with x and y ?.... a fucked-up character
coldmemories1 1 month ago 3
@coldmemories1 i loved your opinion about Jo... i will say we have almost the same opinion, i didn't find Jessica attractive NOT AT ALL, that is why i ask myself why did this guy like her??? that's the big Q.
tutter555 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2
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jogjog1000 1 month ago
@coldmemories1 that's untrue,I get that u like Oli but I'd miss Christian & this show has meaning to me cause of Christian,if he goes I'd prob stop watching.I started watching this soap before Oli's return only cause what Christian was going through with his dad as I could relate with family turning back cause of his addiction,like Gregor,then regretting it when he died(& my dad died same date Christian did).He potrayed that turmoil brill & made me think I must forgive my family
jogjog1000 1 month ago
@coldmemories1 I love your posts btw! Now, although I agree with you about Jessica's physical unattractiveness (me of all people will sympathize with you there!), a great deal of what influences our opinion about a character is the personality. In general, an actor can have average, to above average looks (it's what you're born with right?) but it is always the personality that is the clincher. In general her character is not well written, IMO. I feel the same way about her as I did about Rob.:S
WraithCake8 1 month ago
@marksin1000 although I don't agree with you, I'd still like to know your argument--why you think Oliver is a burden? for instance. Oliver has his faults, his taste in clothing being one of them, but at the end of the day, he's pretty hot. I don't just mean physically only. There's a certain sexual charisma that he has, it's just hard to pin point. Maybe because he's supportive and hot? I dunno. But I think Thore would even admit that if he were "inclined", he'd definitely be Jo/Olisexual.
WraithCake8 1 month ago
@WraithCake8
that person is certainly talking out of his ass . his/her comment made me laugh hysterically . Olli is a burden for Christian ?? hahaha ... OMG .. sounds like some of Thore's fans lost their ability to recognize between right and wrong . Olli has a charisma that Christian will never be able to have not even in the afterlife. and that's enough for me to admit that i watch this soap only because of Jo :)
coldmemories1 1 month ago 4
@coldmemories1 i agree to you, and i will say that when Jo was getting, well i say sorry for the word "older" he is getting more gorgeous, hotter and he has more charisma now.... i just love the personality of Jo on&off cam & i think this soap will never be us this big internationally w/out Jo...
tutter555 1 month ago in playlist 2 Chrolli@Verbotene Liebe - Playlist 2 4
@tutter555
He sure is ! He is now sexier than before . But i certainly hate those scarves . maybe these scarves covered the eyes of Thore's fans and made them completely blind concerning his hotness
coldmemories1 1 month ago
@coldmemories1 Wow, charisma in the afterlife. Now that's some potent shit.
daiselladarling 1 month ago
@WraithCake8 I remember Thore saying once in an interview or something that if there was a gay man in him (i.e. if he was gay), he would fancy Jo, because he's hot! :-) I don't remember exactly what setting this was said in - anyone remember?
Keyjeyno 1 month ago
@Keyjeyno I think you are talking about an interview he did on a German talk show with two other cast members. If it is then he said it would be Jo because of all the emotional involvement they had shared together over the years.
bargalad 1 month ago
@bargalad Yes, that might be it - thank you :-)
Keyjeyno 1 month ago
@Keyjeyno Thore said this in a German interview when he was talking about his doubts about whether he could play a gay man convincingly since he never had. He also said that you never know what's in you until it's tested & that if he had any same sex attraction then he would certainly be drawn to Jo because of his talent & how much he enjoyed working with him. I don't recall his having said anything about Jo's being "hot" & he made it clear that he wasn't attracted to Jo sexually.
sfvniceguy 1 month ago
@sfvniceguy Hmm, yeah, I think I remember the interview you're talking about, but I don't think that's the one I remember. He didn't say it like he was serious, more like a joke. He's probably heard a lot of people call Jo that, so it might be an inside joke between them. It might have been at the GOOL event. Or maybe I'm just remembering wrong. Wishful thinking, perhaps ;-p
Keyjeyno 1 month ago
@Keyjeyno I recall that Thore also said (half jokingly, maybe?) at the GOOL event that he thought Christian & Olli should have sex with other people to keep the story interesting. The reaction from Jo & the fans there was not favorable. The writers gave Thore his wish & all but destroyed the Chrolli story.
sfvniceguy 1 month ago
@sfvniceguy As you've pointed out earlier, comments don't always appear in connection to the ones they refer to, so I'm not sure which one of my comments you're answering here... but I agree that the turn of events in the last year really put a dent in the Chrolli story, to put it mildly... I think we just have to put the last year behind us, keep in mind that it's a soap, i.e. doesn't always make sense in a logical world, and enjoy Chrolli as best we can from now.
Keyjeyno 1 month ago
@sfvniceguy No, what he said was "as an ACTOR" it's good to have story lines with other people so things don't get boring. He meant just to keep it fresh, but Jo was teasing him and started pouting and the audience went "awwww" and poor Thore had to explain what he meant. (But alas, people are still getting it wrong.)
Cinnamongal77 1 month ago