Every defense contractor firm should be COMPLETELY dismantled, their assets nationalized, and their executives left to rot away the rest of their pointless little lives in Gitmo. War should be fought as a last resort and paid for through belt tightening and sacrifice, not fought whenever possible for profit.
@CorrerPorVida. Think practically. Laws like VAWA in the USA rapes men under a legal system. Know the reality. People who implement such laws are real rapists (Clinton, he had so much illegal affairs & he implemented VAWA in 1994). Remember this.
@CorrerPorVida. You are a female chauvinist & probably the one of those feminazi ideology, which support rape of men by women (by harassing through rape laws)
@axn36 The notion that people like you ignore the reality, that one in three women are sexually assaulted, is just sickening. Yes, sometimes women lie about it and the results are tragic, this is by far the minority of cases. I'm a chauvinist because i believe women should not be tortured? What harassment laws do you speak of? That a woman has the right to say no? I reiterate, you are a sick prick, i would not be surprised if you think lesbianism can be cured by gang rape.
@CorrerPorVida. Lesbianism, homosexuality can be cured by death sentence. If you are a female chauvinist, then I am also a male chauvinist, because I believe that no law has the right to harass men in the name of protecting women. Look at the case of Dominique Strauss Kahn, that he lost his job based on a C grade female employee's false accusation. That woman must be punished.
But as a female chauvinist, a woman like you will always support prostitution, false accusation etc and such women are heroines in your eyes. It is useless to discuss (or even talk) to women like you, as you always misinterpret what we mean. When we talk about false accusations of rape case, you try to show that we are trying to legalize rape or we support rape. Think whatever you think regarding this. Old beliefs say that women understand nothing. It is proved by women like you today.
@axn36 I'm not a woman you stupid cunt. What is wrong with prostitution? Chauvinist women support prostitution. Its obvious you are utter clueless. bug off troll.
@CorrerPorVida. Hmmmm. So, you're not a woman. Are you sure? Coz you were talking like a woman till now. Or you are a born woman, but ashamed to admit it? That is also a kinda feminism.
The 'republicans are rapist' comments are uncalled for. Though it's true that the 30 senators that voted against were rep., 10 rep senators voted for the bill. Also it was a republican congressman that saved the gang-rape victim from the shipping container she was imprissoned in by KBR supervisors by immediately sending for help to get her out of there the second he was informed by the victim's family of where she was. By blaming a party you take the blame from the jerks who deserve it.
30 Republican senators are climbin' in your windows, snatchin' your people up, tryin' to rape 'em, so ya'll need to hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your kids, hide your wife... and hide your husbands, coz they rapin' e'body out here.
I do care what party you are. Anyone who believes that it is okay to rape someone and get away with it and not have their day in court. Is to support the rapist. so if you are okay with being held accountable for every rape that goes untold every voice that is silenced than you have no soul.
What's this I read that 78% of all lawmakers opposed to abortion are men? All the women politicians voted to protect other women regardless of party!? What a shock!! lol The only thing worse than a demorat is a repuklican or a libertarian pretending they aren't Conservative Repuklicans because they disagree with them on maybe three issues..
@Hairysteed Rape is forcing someone to have sex with you, there are plenty of people that have marry and have sex for money, you don't charge them with rape are you?
Conservatives believe that rape-induced pregnancy is not acceptable for abortion. If that is the case, then they have to protect women from rape altogether.
Their answer? Burqas. Cover women head to toe and have them supervised by men at all times, reducing women to second-class citizens to remove the temptation of men to rape them.
Sounds a lot like the Taliban.
Conservatives: "Too bad for you, you didn't wear the burqa to work".
A. Beck is a TV personality douche no better than Michael Moore with his "facts". I cannot cite the language w/ a 500 character word limit. The contents of H15022-H15414 were condensed on the forums.
B. Yes, that is a correct instance, but where you are very conservative with your "truth" is that it clearly is not limited to cases of rape, and most would not be versed in the full context. This was a calculated political move, at the expense of the tax payer and security of this nation.
The republicans offered absolutely NO dissent about the victim being able to sue her attackers, but the SPECIFIC WORDING was hugely flawed and violates the security of this nation and frankly, common sense.
Basically, say the government and contractor Raytheon have invested millions in a missile defense system. Were the company found liable in a sexual discrimination lawsuit, the government would drop the contract. This is ludicrous!
I can't believe that theyoungturks deleted my post for calling them out on not being honest about this.
The republicans are not for rape. Rape is not a partisan political issue.
The issue the dissenters had was WITH THE SPECIFIC WORDING of the amendment. The wording called for the US to cease any involvement with any military contractor convicted of cases as simply to pass through civilian court as sexual discrimination lawsuits.
This is a bunch bullshit. First of all shes not in America so of course she is not going to have access to the US court system. The same is true of if you join the Army, you have access to only to military court.
Well done by Franken and what ArianaJollee wrote is so true. There's so many corporate whores in this country. KBR -what a bunch of violent moneygrubbing losers. Scum.
For all the people who seem to think she is lying about this she was locked in a shipping container! This should be a closed case! Considering the fact that well over 60% of rapes are not reported and false accusations are around 1% of the cases, it's safe to assert that she is telling the truth and no matter what she did NO MEANS NO! If she said no, it was rape. It's that simple. Even if she didn't say it, if she didn't consent, it's rape. Stop making excuses for a horrible crime.
"In the old days, this would have been political suicide... to vote against the Franken amendment. But they've lost track of politics, they've lost track of who they're supposed to represent"
I agree about 90%. They've certainly become more brazen corporate bitches, etc.. but I disagree that "they've lost track of politics". It seems the whole country's shifted further to the right. Not in everything of course (gay marriage, etc.), but enough to fuck things up hugely for progress in other areas.
Colbert described it perfectly (as usual): Republicans are under the delusion that corporations are *people* and have rights equivalent to those of citizens, and, as conservatives, they put the corporation's fiscal rights over the individual's civil rights.
She was sexual assaulted (raped) in Iraq.....what court in the U.S. would have jurisdiction? It happened in another country. Or are we gonna make shit up to please certain activists groups?
If you still think the republican party is there for the people than this should prove you wrong once and for all! It's all about the MONEY!!! I hope the states these people represent remember this when it's time to vote!!!
GayLutrash - so typical of a Conservitard. You completely miss the issue and opt for a personal attack. Yawn, please go kneel before Karl Rove somewhere else. Regardless of how many people watch the video, the fact is this situation amounts to permitting rape of Americans. I hope no woman you know (assuming you know ANY) ever gets raped. Heck, I hope you don't either. But if you do, I hope you have access to justice, unlike the employees of KBR.
Obama- Im going to tax the hell out of you, but I dont want you to notice how much Im going to tax you. So Im going to tax employers and insurance companies, and theyre going to pass the taxes on to you. Most of the taxes wont even show up in the governments budget. Its all very clever. No, seriously just ask my economic advisor Larry Summers
I think that Thune didn't support it for things like sexual harassment, which I think could be handled via arbitration. At the same time you have to weigh the good and bad of every bill and the good far outweighs the bad.
Or maybe you don't think she should be working. Maybe you think she should have stayed at home and only allow out of the house with a man's permission?
One star due to ad. You guys should start posting on on another website. I go to your website but sometimes I want to just see clips and don't feel like watching a ad. Maybe youtube should do a pay service or something for 2$ a month or something you don't watch ads. I only put it so low because it must be doable, Pandora lets you only pay 1$ for endless listening a month with only 1 ad every hour or two hours.
melora, that *must* be the explanation these reps. voted against it (because they could vote against a democrat). Thats very worrisome, if politics becomes like kindergarten. And second, there are many sociopaths/narcissists in politics, who have a lack of conscience or empathy. But then voting against a dem for it being a dem, is also a sign of lack of conscience.
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the reason this bill is wrong is because it is nothing but a political attack on haliburton and the republican party, government shouldnt get involved in this frivolous disputes where the democrat say "capitalism is bad we should become a maoist state like anita hill wants" and arbitration is an excellent way to settle legal disputes, we should allow corporations to settle all their internal disputes with fair arbitration like they do now
Bull. So you are saying that Haliburton is a Republican entity. Thank you for clearing up what we already know. This has nothing to do with capitalism. What is has to do is with the Constitution and breaking the law. Try reading the 1st and 14th amendment. Oh, that's right, you Republicans don't believe in equal rights under the law or any other part of the Constitution except some interpretations of the 2nd Amendment.
just looked up the names of the senators who voted no against this ammendment, and i have lost all respect for john McCain... here are the lit of senators that voted no, provided by the huffington post...Alexander (R-TN) Barrasso (R-WY) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burr (R-NC) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Corker (R-TN) Cornyn (R-TX)
He's from my state. Both senators voted against it. The good news is, that according to MSNBC, newspapers all over the country have editorials criticizing the senators who voted against it. Including one near where I live. I hope is spreads so everyone knows.
Republican'ts were working soo hard to go after acorn who didn't commit a crime but were just talking about helping someone do it. Now they are defending a company that ACTUALLY DID commit a crime! A crime that is FAR worse than any crime acron has been acused of.
All fucking Republicans need to be rejected by all decent Americans who believe in the phrase, "justice for all". Republicans are making all America's founding principles nothing but a farce, and have become a despicable fascist ideology joined at the hip with wealthy corporate pigs!
Democrats need to be rejected or banned by the SC of the USA, for these crimes: 1. atom bombing in Japan. 2. for implementing laws like VAWA. 3. for breaking up family system in USA. 3. for supporting LGBT, Prostitutiuon. 4. for supporting Talibans. 5. after 9/11. they opposed Bush. why? coz they support terrorism.
I really do need some kind of Youtube 12 step program. But the terms of contracts have always had to be in accord with public policy. And there's nothing wrong with making public policy express through legislation. If President Obama is really in favor of the amendment, it should be time for him to accept Secretary Gates's resignation.
I think it's obvious that etherealstill is purposely trolling this subject. He knows he is getting everyone upset and that is his goal, not actual discussion.
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I think rape is ok in some situations. At least, in a lot of situations is as much the woman's fault as the man's, because she will dress with revealing clothes and tempt the man to have sex with her. It's like carrying meat through a wolf's den. Women need to understand this, that there are some places that they do not belong, and that dressing like you're in an outlet mall in suburbia is not the right thing to do in a militia zone.
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Look, some girls want it. It's human nature. They are to blame for wanting it, and dressing like they want it, yet the man is the one who is prosecuted because they are greedy and they want control. It's like the Kobe Bryant case.
etherealstill, like the Kobe Bryant case? I don't remember reading that Kobe gang raped a girl the point of medical injury and then locked her in a box to keep her from talking!
Actually after arrest, during the interviews the rapist usually can't remember what the victim was wearing. It's a power trip for men, it's not a matter of attraction most of the time.
You're right and you're wrong. A man shouldn't take pussy by force. But a woman isn't doing herself any favors by being around all that tension & testosterone either. But that said, the woman is not "asking for it" unless she actually asks for it.
My deal is that I think she may have been there for the purpose of sating those men's appetites in the 1st place. BUT she got in a liason that went awry.
But never blame the victim for being "careless" if that's indeed the case. That's mean.
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Oh, I'm not blaming them for being 'careless', I'm blaming them for being deceitful, lying whores. Most rape victims want to be raped, and they deserve it.
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Of course they aren't going to admit they wanted it. That's part of the game.
It works like this: The women want to get the man's seed, so they dress like sluts, and the men, being innocent agents of mother-nature take what they want, thereby exerting mother-natures will. They women, being selfish and desiring the control that the man has, resorts to litigation to get 'one up' over the man. It's sates their psychological hunger for power, because it's the only way they have to get it.
You make some valid points. There are some women like those you described. But that's the sum total description of 3B humans. But the nonsense about "wanting men's seed" is a little crazy don't you think?
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I don't think it's crazy. I think our primitive desires are far underrated. I think we want to bury them, and I think the collective human consciousness wants to bury them by labeling them as 'selfish', or 'greedy', and therefore 'wrong', but I don't think that makes them go away.
Society makes rape bad. Mother-nature has condoned it.
Condoned it? I don't think so. If that were the case, mother nature would have never installed the same instincts as protective duty, nesting, building. Don't forget that men have a primitive imperative to look out for the women in their environment. But more than that, I can'[t by the premise of what was "meant to be" because we wouldn't have evolved to this point if mother nature had not intended it. See? That's a deluxe tail chaser argument.
Are people intrinsically selfish? Sure. But some people are intrinsically generous too. I've given the shoes off my own feet to a man that needed them. The same goes for shirts I've worn. I'm not religious, I didn't expect anything in return but some good karma from the Fates.
Mother nature doesn't "condone" rape. Rape just happens to be a part of existence; an unfortunate part.
But, she may have been an escort in the 1st place. Marinate on that.
Do you know how many men have raped women? Do you know how prevalent it is? In some societies, it is certainly accepted, without question. Your argument that mother nature speaks through our present society's attitude towards it is quite dubious, and if correct than mother-nature must have a fickle voice to express such contradictory opinions. She once even condoned slavery through American society. I think it makes more sense to consider society's voice separate from nature's.
Notice how the primitive properties ('fucking' and 'rape) of an imbecile seep out into common dialog, and is perfectly acceptable, yet he still isn't aware of the contradiction that society expects of his behavior.
Quite possibly, rape might not be much of an issue if prostitution were legalized. In fact, if you look at the rape statistics of societies condoning prostitution vs. ones who don't, that trumps the 'it's only a power trip for the man' argument automatically.
I love it when people try to write to be perceived as intelligent but just come across as virgins. It is quite clear and obvious that you are in fact a virgin. you could possibly be the virgin mary incarnate. you should be raped.
No It is entirely cogent and logically succinct to call you a virgin. I didnt read what you scribed as it was so pathetically boring to the 10th paradigm.
You're right about the reality but that doesn't make it implicitly correct. Among the warlords in Somalia, rape is a rite of passage. It's a way of training out all the humanity a soldier may have left. Arranged marriages are oft consummate by an act of rape. I'm not so naive that I'd deny that. But as a man, I know that my strength doesn't stem from how hard I am, it stems from how reasonable & kind I can be.
But updabittoolate, that's only your value system. Words like 'strength' and 'kind' are only defined through the value system you prescribe to, and have nothing to do with the reality that nature has defined.
It's not only my value system. It was taught to me by my own father (whose papa was a rolling stone). It was a value system that was reinforced by reading the writing King, Ghandi, Buddha & Lao Tzu. It was a developed when someone tried to pick on my kid sister. It was a principle that was further inculcated when I joined the USAF. The message was always loud & clear to me. It said, "Jamie you're powerful by your very design & your training. Use that power to protect people who aren't."
I'm not arguing that your value system has it's roots beyond your own perception, I'm arguing that you could very well subscribe to another value system. Neither would be more 'correct' in the objective sense, because neither have any real meaning outside of your, including those who also accept it (including the Air Force and your grandfather), value system. It's merely a method among many, and surely has it's own contradictions and fallacies as any other value system.
And yes, it takes more strength to be kind than to be cruel. How many times have you wanted to knock someone's block off, known that you're not only inclined but capable of doing just that BUT gave that person a pass because in the end, you're better? How many hungry people have you fed? How many shirts have you taken off your own back. How many stranded drivers have you stopped to help?
But with all that, I'm not naive. That's why I'm saying the story has other layers.
My argument is simply that in this case, society has told as that rape is wrong. That it's absolutely wrong and that we should take absolute action against its perpetrators. Many will suggest we 'kill' the rapists, for instance, as many who are convinced that some absolute sin has been committed will suggest.
I'm arguing that there is nothing inherently wrong in rape. It's natural. Some societies define it as wrong, however.
I feel you. That's why I started the dialogue by saying that you make some pithy arguments & you're not totally wrong. But I think your disconnect is when you say that rape isn't totally wrong. Sure, the Fates allow it but do you think the victim would agree w/your thesis?
"Kill the rapists"? Fuck that. The punishment wouldn't fit the crime. So that's ludicrous. Even I'm not that radical.
But I dare say that the social orders in which rape is deemed "acceptable" are in the Dark Ages
Whether or not the victims agree is actually beside the point. There are many cases where society condemns a person's individual desires and in effect disregards their perspective, such as when someone murder's another for revenge.
And nature doesn't respect 'stages' of society, such as 'the dark ages'. That's irrelevant.
I guess you're right in the sense that the victim's opinion doesn't matter. But unless you've been raped, I'm not sure you're endowed to make that call. I'm not trying to offend or dismiss you but I think you've missed that subtlety of my argument.
But let's get back to nature as a concept. If nature has allowed us to evolve, then we MUST consider the notion that it's not static; that we're developing into different beings. I ain't the same as I was last year or even yesterday. R U?
upabittoolate: I agree that nature allows us to evolve, but I was arguing against society's concept of how we've evolved. You've valued what I argue as 'natue's values' as 'the dark ages', which is simply a stage of society's evolution, and thus is defined only through society's discrimination. It does not refer to the evolution of man.
I don't think that man evolves without the assistance of his environment. In fact, evolution is a function of random mutation but it's sped along by the process of natural selection. Am I slowing evolution by protecting the "less fit"? You can argue that I am. But I think social & biological evolution are concurrent. Arrogant as I may sound, I think ultimately, everyone will see things my way. At least my stance on what strength really is. To me, an is not a brute. Man is just immature.
upabittoolate, you may very well be right that individuals may evolve to a more 'societal' animal, like bees or ants, but we currently are not. If we were, and individuals really held the views that you do without the aid of society, then there would not be individuals who rape in the first place.
Touche. But let's hope that humanity becomes more "enlightened" 1 day. I don't want any more damaged psyches in women. It does so much collateral damage that I can't begin to describe it. I've had a few gf's that were victims of rape & it made some things nightmare-ish to deal with.
Even if the woman starts wanting it, when she says "no" or "stop' it becomes rape. If a man talks a reluctant woman into have sex 'I know you want it" that is legally considered rape. Even If you think the "no" is teasing, you should stop. I know it's hard for men to control themselves. Too fucking bad for them.
@melora72 Yeah, because fully grown adult women should be treated like 5 year old children by having zero responsibility for there actions because no woman ever lies about it after not saying "no" at all, or lies in court, or makes bad decisions while there drunk. (of course all women are forced to drink by guys as well) and of course none of them say "no" in a playful way when they actually want to, and they need u to make the decision for them since you were there.. Utter crap.
Rape is wrong. Period. This isn't an argument. Most societies have NOT said that rape was wrong because women were considered to be objects that were own. What could possibly be right about forcing someone to have sex with you? You are a pretty sick person to think rape is alright. It isn't and it never will be no matter how you try to talk your way out of it. I just hope there are not women anywhere near you or I fear greatly for their safety "since there is nothing wrong with rape"
It's appalling to see how many of you are completely incapable of understanding the subjectivity of morality.
themanwhoknew, your idiocy completely obscures your perception of reality, a reality that includes the true context of my statements, not your blatant and pathetic attempt to malign my argument. I doubt you are really concerned with objectivity here, but for the record, misquoting your opponent's statements out of context does not mean you understand it.
And the argument is not dubious. I'm saying that it's not just 1 way. You say a man is a sexually ravenous being. I won't deny that, I'm sexually ravenous at times. But I say that men are also protective & nurturing. Again, I have nesting & paternal instincts.
No doubt, we're not that far removed form lower animals OR our primitive past. But my argument is that it's just as innate to be "the good guys" as it is to be "the bad guys". And yes, slavery was "condoned" but not anymore.
Yes, she may have very well been an escort. I think it's completely plausible that she was a paid hooker but her clients got out of hand. I'm all for feminism. But you have to understand that some women make the lucid choice of that as a profession.
Did she sign on to be summarily injured, tortured & confined? I don't think any rational person would sign on for that.
But I don't think she should helped herself by being over there.
The sad thing is I dont even think you realize that youre blaming the rape victim. It doesnt matter if she was an escort. Just like it doesnt matter is a woman wears revealing clothing or has had sex with the person before. If a person says NO, then the sex is no longer consensual. That makes it rape. What dont you understand about that?
People like you are the reason most rape victims dont repost their crimes.
I;m not blaming the victim. That's the feminist slant that I think your using to dress this discussion. I was the 1st 1 to say that raping, if that's the case, is vile. But, I was also the 1st to say "wait a minute, she might been hooking & got herself in a bad spot". Of course no means no. But at the same time, she didn't do herself any favors if she was hooking. Hell, she didn't do herself any favors being in a war zone.
PS. Alana, you don't know a fucking thing about me so don't make remarks about my person until you've taken a moment to walk & talk with me. As your brother, I'll protect you tooth & nail but you must do the same for me. FYI, I've taught self defense classes (and been the live punching bag); protective duty. Part of protection is that you be reason w/ me not yell @me. I never BLAMED THE VICTIM. I've simply said that there's other factors that are a bit incongruent for my tastes. Understand?
Yes I understand and you might want to think about why youre getting so defensive. If you want to pat yourself on the back for ultimately thinking no mean no while still entertaining excuses for why she was raped, then you do that. But it has nothing to do with me or feminism.
It's got everything to do with feminism. You never thought to even consider my viewpoint as valid or feasible because you were too busy being indignant about the event. Again, I've made NO excuses. But let's be grownups for a moment. Do whores exist? Yeah. Are they motivated to go where there's lots of money but few women? Sure. Is it feasible that she may have been 1 of those whores that got in over her head? You better believe it. So why are you throwing barbs at me?
& I know why I'm defensive. It's because you tried to categorize me without knowing shit about me. "... it's people like you that..."
Are you cognizant of the rhetorical trick you pulled? People oft do that unwittingly. But you're too astute such a mistake. You used that to gain traction & further compound your indignance for the event & consequently compound your contempt for me (w/o even knowing me).
Dislike me. You're allowed. But don't dislike because of a lie you've told yourself.
Now that's just mean man. Women are human beings. Some are deceitful. All lie (all PEOPLE tell lies). And yes, some are whores too. I'm not anti-prostitution. In fact, I think this may have been a business transaction gone bad. Even in trade for favor, parties are expected to be professionals.
In any case, "deserve" has nothing to do with it unless she participated in a gang rape herself (assuming that this was rape). I could see that as bad karma. But "deserve"? C'mon man.
I understand that youre arguing that a persons value system is personal and therefore laws based on those values are subjective to the people of that culture, but that doesnt support your statement that nature promotes rape.
Your are correct. That doesn't support my statement that nature promotes rape. The reality that rape occurs over and over, in society's with value systems that oppose it indiscriminately, and that it occurs with such frequently supports my argument that nature promotes rape.
He's trying to say that natural law although sometimes cruel, transcends people's law because WE are still governed by our primal instincts before conscience or restraint kicks in. His mistake however, is that there's nuances to each person. Like I said before, some women choose to be whores (yes, some are coerced but that's another convo). Yes, men can be animals. That's why I say she didn't help herself too much.
But, some men are intrinsically kind & some women are naturally virtuous.
Your comment shows you lack of understanding on this topic. Rape is an act of hate, not an act of lust. People are not animals, we have free choice. Anyone who rapes anyone else is totally responsible for their actions 100% no matter what the circumstances.
etherealstill - You're either a troll, or you can't keep your arguments straight. But either way, after reading your comments it's certain you don't know anything about psychology, biology, culture, social interactions etc. You also assume all woman dress like 'sluts' then you interpret this like they're always wanting it.
Dude, do some research AFTER you get your head out of the clouds and out of your pants.
Since you have not suggested any meaningful contradictions to my claim, then I can only assume you are an ignorant sheep who bleets out criticisms to anyone who doesn't agree with the status-quo in the name of his own 'expertise'.
etherealstill - You haven't addressed anything I've said except for one, does that mean you're an ignorant sheep?
You first say it's the woman's fault, then you say it's man's desire to do so anyway, so which is it?
Then you say it occurs in nature, therefore it's okay. So does cannibalism, murder, torture ect. Yet If I came to your house and ate you alive you would want justice.
You have also not provided ANY evidence for anything you've said at all. You're shit at trolling.
Short of slamming my head into my desk in frustration at your ignorance, I can only address your pathetic, anecdotal excuses for 'evidence' by asking that you read my actual statements, none of which are reflected in your posturing.
"I think rape is ok in some situations. is as much the woman's fault as the man's. It's human nature. They are to blame for wanting it. Mother-nature has condoned it.I'm arguing that there is nothing inherently wrong in rape. It's natural."
You seem to have this idea that:
If it occurs elsewhere = it's okay, they also deserve it (then some hate speech about woman).
Every defense contractor firm should be COMPLETELY dismantled, their assets nationalized, and their executives left to rot away the rest of their pointless little lives in Gitmo. War should be fought as a last resort and paid for through belt tightening and sacrifice, not fought whenever possible for profit.
leviathanopolitan 3 weeks ago
y'all betta lock up yo kids and lock up yo wife..cuz they rapin' everybody up in here!
SkinnyWmn69 4 months ago
Way to bash republicans. This woman made the whole thing up. They don't care though.
vjohn16 5 months ago
To be true, rape/ marital rape never exists. It is only a feminist issue to harass men.
axn36 6 months ago
@axn36 you are a sick fuck, probably a rapist yourself
CorrerPorVida 5 months ago
@CorrerPorVida. Think practically. Laws like VAWA in the USA rapes men under a legal system. Know the reality. People who implement such laws are real rapists (Clinton, he had so much illegal affairs & he implemented VAWA in 1994). Remember this.
axn36 5 months ago
@CorrerPorVida. You are a female chauvinist & probably the one of those feminazi ideology, which support rape of men by women (by harassing through rape laws)
axn36 5 months ago
@axn36 The notion that people like you ignore the reality, that one in three women are sexually assaulted, is just sickening. Yes, sometimes women lie about it and the results are tragic, this is by far the minority of cases. I'm a chauvinist because i believe women should not be tortured? What harassment laws do you speak of? That a woman has the right to say no? I reiterate, you are a sick prick, i would not be surprised if you think lesbianism can be cured by gang rape.
CorrerPorVida 5 months ago
@CorrerPorVida. Lesbianism, homosexuality can be cured by death sentence. If you are a female chauvinist, then I am also a male chauvinist, because I believe that no law has the right to harass men in the name of protecting women. Look at the case of Dominique Strauss Kahn, that he lost his job based on a C grade female employee's false accusation. That woman must be punished.
axn36 5 months ago
But as a female chauvinist, a woman like you will always support prostitution, false accusation etc and such women are heroines in your eyes. It is useless to discuss (or even talk) to women like you, as you always misinterpret what we mean. When we talk about false accusations of rape case, you try to show that we are trying to legalize rape or we support rape. Think whatever you think regarding this. Old beliefs say that women understand nothing. It is proved by women like you today.
axn36 5 months ago
@axn36 I'm not a woman you stupid cunt. What is wrong with prostitution? Chauvinist women support prostitution. Its obvious you are utter clueless. bug off troll.
CorrerPorVida 5 months ago
@CorrerPorVida. Hmmmm. So, you're not a woman. Are you sure? Coz you were talking like a woman till now. Or you are a born woman, but ashamed to admit it? That is also a kinda feminism.
axn36 5 months ago
The 'republicans are rapist' comments are uncalled for. Though it's true that the 30 senators that voted against were rep., 10 rep senators voted for the bill. Also it was a republican congressman that saved the gang-rape victim from the shipping container she was imprissoned in by KBR supervisors by immediately sending for help to get her out of there the second he was informed by the victim's family of where she was. By blaming a party you take the blame from the jerks who deserve it.
lauraleesmithagain 7 months ago
Republicans are rapists! D:
Fleursdelily 8 months ago
women usually say no at the beginning......
axn36 11 months ago
@axn36 Oh yeah because two or three minutes are paradise aren't they? Tell me why they say no again, please.
downwithbreeders 6 months ago
30 Republican senators are climbin' in your windows, snatchin' your people up, tryin' to rape 'em, so ya'll need to hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your kids, hide your wife... and hide your husbands, coz they rapin' e'body out here.
HowDyaYouLikeMeNow 11 months ago 6
I do care what party you are. Anyone who believes that it is okay to rape someone and get away with it and not have their day in court. Is to support the rapist. so if you are okay with being held accountable for every rape that goes untold every voice that is silenced than you have no soul.
cdrawe07 1 year ago
What's this I read that 78% of all lawmakers opposed to abortion are men? All the women politicians voted to protect other women regardless of party!? What a shock!! lol The only thing worse than a demorat is a repuklican or a libertarian pretending they aren't Conservative Repuklicans because they disagree with them on maybe three issues..
bigge525 1 year ago
Republicans, Democrats, same thing, liars!
Are you people sick of them yet?? Don't you know you have a choice??
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ponyboy1129 1 year ago
I'm fucking sick of Joe Donnelly and Jackie Walorski ads, if anything, I'm gonna vote for the politician that doesn't spam my fucking TV.
EducationVids666 1 year ago
If getting raped is in the job description the employer should be charged with pimping
Hairysteed 1 year ago 7
@Hairysteed Rape is forcing someone to have sex with you, there are plenty of people that have marry and have sex for money, you don't charge them with rape are you?
EducationVids666 1 year ago
God I hate John Thune. Just so people are aware, many South Dakotans are not supporters of this asshole.
BeefHarbor 1 year ago
I think I figured it out.
Conservatives believe that rape-induced pregnancy is not acceptable for abortion. If that is the case, then they have to protect women from rape altogether.
Their answer? Burqas. Cover women head to toe and have them supervised by men at all times, reducing women to second-class citizens to remove the temptation of men to rape them.
Sounds a lot like the Taliban.
Conservatives: "Too bad for you, you didn't wear the burqa to work".
masterbuilder2009 2 years ago
A. Beck is a TV personality douche no better than Michael Moore with his "facts". I cannot cite the language w/ a 500 character word limit. The contents of H15022-H15414 were condensed on the forums.
B. Yes, that is a correct instance, but where you are very conservative with your "truth" is that it clearly is not limited to cases of rape, and most would not be versed in the full context. This was a calculated political move, at the expense of the tax payer and security of this nation.
DumbDuck44 2 years ago
The republicans offered absolutely NO dissent about the victim being able to sue her attackers, but the SPECIFIC WORDING was hugely flawed and violates the security of this nation and frankly, common sense.
Basically, say the government and contractor Raytheon have invested millions in a missile defense system. Were the company found liable in a sexual discrimination lawsuit, the government would drop the contract. This is ludicrous!
DumbDuck44 2 years ago
I can't believe that theyoungturks deleted my post for calling them out on not being honest about this.
The republicans are not for rape. Rape is not a partisan political issue.
The issue the dissenters had was WITH THE SPECIFIC WORDING of the amendment. The wording called for the US to cease any involvement with any military contractor convicted of cases as simply to pass through civilian court as sexual discrimination lawsuits.
DumbDuck44 2 years ago
This is a bunch bullshit. First of all shes not in America so of course she is not going to have access to the US court system. The same is true of if you join the Army, you have access to only to military court.
myownshadow6 2 years ago
The facts of the situation are not important. Typical liberal bullshit.
Buddah186 2 years ago
Republicans have been raping the US for the past 8 years. This is nothing new.
saadasim 2 years ago 3
I think its time sombody goes to one of those republicans... and get this Rape em' yea! they might change there mind after that!
filthyfun 2 years ago 2
Well done by Franken and what ArianaJollee wrote is so true. There's so many corporate whores in this country. KBR -what a bunch of violent moneygrubbing losers. Scum.
ridewave444 2 years ago
Very true mami
DaReal2k9 2 years ago
It's not that they don't get it, they're watching out for their pockets.
kimmiesoo 2 years ago
For all the people who seem to think she is lying about this she was locked in a shipping container! This should be a closed case! Considering the fact that well over 60% of rapes are not reported and false accusations are around 1% of the cases, it's safe to assert that she is telling the truth and no matter what she did NO MEANS NO! If she said no, it was rape. It's that simple. Even if she didn't say it, if she didn't consent, it's rape. Stop making excuses for a horrible crime.
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TheCagedTiger 2 years ago
"In the old days, this would have been political suicide... to vote against the Franken amendment. But they've lost track of politics, they've lost track of who they're supposed to represent"
I agree about 90%. They've certainly become more brazen corporate bitches, etc.. but I disagree that "they've lost track of politics". It seems the whole country's shifted further to the right. Not in everything of course (gay marriage, etc.), but enough to fuck things up hugely for progress in other areas.
VerdantNight 2 years ago
Gee, sorry that your TYPE FORMAT comment didn't represent the sarcasm you apparently intended. I'm not psychic.
And no, I didn't. All I said was that those on a military base typically don't leave the base to deal with business like this, as a comparison.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Colbert described it perfectly (as usual): Republicans are under the delusion that corporations are *people* and have rights equivalent to those of citizens, and, as conservatives, they put the corporation's fiscal rights over the individual's civil rights.
Dentarthurdent54 2 years ago
The Republicans that support this are like the ancient men of Rome.
Rape was considered bad because you took another man's property....
Zio121 2 years ago
It's ironic because the liberal ACLU defend rapists for free and love the glory when they're set free to rape again.
Rapists are people too.
ProphetMuhammed72 2 years ago
Republicans believe KBR should be allowed to freely rape the US taxpayer and female employees.
If you're upset about your taxes, blame the Pentagon and the greedy defence contractors, because they are the biggest consumers of your tax dollars.
Relugus 2 years ago 3
mainstream media(corporate butt buddies) doesnt cover this kind of news we need to b informed somehow
Riverwidow64 2 years ago
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coreball 2 years ago
Democrates are so stupid and coward. Grayson and Franklyn are like the only DEMs that has the balls to do something about it.
RumbleHD 2 years ago 19
@RumbleHD It's getting more and more rare to see a politician I can support. Al Franken is promising though.
StillAware 1 year ago
She was sexual assaulted (raped) in Iraq.....what court in the U.S. would have jurisdiction? It happened in another country. Or are we gonna make shit up to please certain activists groups?
mjnr7777 2 years ago
was it not US government who contracted these PMCs? then it falls under their responsibility.
samin62 2 years ago
If you still think the republican party is there for the people than this should prove you wrong once and for all! It's all about the MONEY!!! I hope the states these people represent remember this when it's time to vote!!!
mary7bartula 2 years ago
wow..Trey is easily amused isn't he?
HistorysMysterys 2 years ago
LMAO @ 1:05 "We've covered it on the show"
What show? You have 10,000 viewers and you call that a "show"?
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TreyLutrash 2 years ago
The answer to your question is yes.
xaoseph 2 years ago
calm down there, buddy
The1CamBo 2 years ago
GayLutrash - so typical of a Conservitard. You completely miss the issue and opt for a personal attack. Yawn, please go kneel before Karl Rove somewhere else. Regardless of how many people watch the video, the fact is this situation amounts to permitting rape of Americans. I hope no woman you know (assuming you know ANY) ever gets raped. Heck, I hope you don't either. But if you do, I hope you have access to justice, unlike the employees of KBR.
NakedWombat666 2 years ago
this is unbelievable..how could they?
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quizerry 2 years ago
so rape is OK as long as we don't have to pay taxes... except for the taxes that to go to companies where Americans get raped. Very clever.
jrubin22 2 years ago 3
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Keep feeding that categorized segregation there Cenk. Keep using those labels.
Why not put 30 republicans in your title. Your just another hate monger. Keep feeding the machine like a good little puppet.
st4ticblu3 2 years ago
I think that Thune didn't support it for things like sexual harassment, which I think could be handled via arbitration. At the same time you have to weigh the good and bad of every bill and the good far outweighs the bad.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
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What the hell was this 19 year old chick doing in Iraq in the first place? I dont feel sorry for this bitch at all. What the hell was she thinking?
Ivan951 2 years ago
it doesnt matter where the rape was. rape is rape, you sick rapist
sage0857 2 years ago 2
I doubt that's what you'd say if it happened to your sister, girlfriend or friend.
relicen1 2 years ago
She was working.
Or maybe you don't think she should be working. Maybe you think she should have stayed at home and only allow out of the house with a man's permission?
veganzombie1 2 years ago
It's all about the money Lebowski !
Payoffs anyone ?
luchpockets 2 years ago
The bible is ok with rape.... so I can see why so many republicans are cool with it too.
preachersaredumb 2 years ago 2
Hmm republicans scream about rights all the time but some how they are okey with GANG RAPE!?!? interesting
RezzaNL 2 years ago 2
One star due to ad. You guys should start posting on on another website. I go to your website but sometimes I want to just see clips and don't feel like watching a ad. Maybe youtube should do a pay service or something for 2$ a month or something you don't watch ads. I only put it so low because it must be doable, Pandora lets you only pay 1$ for endless listening a month with only 1 ad every hour or two hours.
SpiralOfWhite 2 years ago
I bet most of them voted against it just so they could vote against a Democrat. They didn't really care what it was about.
melora72 2 years ago 5
melora, that *must* be the explanation these reps. voted against it (because they could vote against a democrat). Thats very worrisome, if politics becomes like kindergarten. And second, there are many sociopaths/narcissists in politics, who have a lack of conscience or empathy. But then voting against a dem for it being a dem, is also a sign of lack of conscience.
summersonset 2 years ago 2
I mean, voting against a dem for being a dem, and not because you consider the plan (especially on a subject of rape), is a clear sign of sociopathy.
summersonset 2 years ago 4
Republican politicians=whores for their corporate buddies. Teapot Dome with zero empathy or conscience.
withoutasong 2 years ago 4
Wow this makes so much sense, if you are well off, white, and republican, you encourage rape....brilliant!!
MrStickywicket 2 years ago
Imagine if one of these Republican androids found out that it was HIS daughter who'd been gang raped in Iraq. All hell would break loose.
This is the mental condition that is 'conservatism'.
The typical conservative is utterly incapable of empathy. Until something nasty happens to them or someone close to them.
geoff2204 2 years ago 6
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the reason this bill is wrong is because it is nothing but a political attack on haliburton and the republican party, government shouldnt get involved in this frivolous disputes where the democrat say "capitalism is bad we should become a maoist state like anita hill wants" and arbitration is an excellent way to settle legal disputes, we should allow corporations to settle all their internal disputes with fair arbitration like they do now
tehant1liberal 2 years ago
Bull. So you are saying that Haliburton is a Republican entity. Thank you for clearing up what we already know. This has nothing to do with capitalism. What is has to do is with the Constitution and breaking the law. Try reading the 1st and 14th amendment. Oh, that's right, you Republicans don't believe in equal rights under the law or any other part of the Constitution except some interpretations of the 2nd Amendment.
whatnowgop 2 years ago 4
wow, you're dumb.
blugreenblu 2 years ago
i want to see campaign ads on TV this 2010 election saying so and so senator is in support of rape
g13iceman 2 years ago 5
Thank you America, for being so smart to vote fo representatives who support rape. Bravo. Democracy FAIL.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago 4
haha damn al franken, he should have known that gang rape would be a divisive issue
greenergrass4130 2 years ago
I agree with Cenk, Al Franken, and TYT on this topic.
ItzMeRon 2 years ago 4
well its either her or some iraqi children
elhayya 2 years ago
Well they have done both and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Bush thugs carrying on torture didn't rape some of the male captives.
whatnowgop 2 years ago
midgetman433 2 years ago
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
midgetman433 2 years ago
Kyl (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)
midgetman433 2 years ago
Hehehehe... Senator Crapo!
MastermindX 2 years ago
lol...
midgetman433 2 years ago
He's from my state. Both senators voted against it. The good news is, that according to MSNBC, newspapers all over the country have editorials criticizing the senators who voted against it. Including one near where I live. I hope is spreads so everyone knows.
melora72 2 years ago 3
So, who is the other senator in Idaho besides Senator Crapo? Senator Bullshitto? hehehehe...
MastermindX 2 years ago
Apparently, Sessions was "doin' that crack cocaine thing" again.
skidawg22 2 years ago 2
Republican'ts were working soo hard to go after acorn who didn't commit a crime but were just talking about helping someone do it. Now they are defending a company that ACTUALLY DID commit a crime! A crime that is FAR worse than any crime acron has been acused of.
whoyouare13 2 years ago 6
All fucking Republicans need to be rejected by all decent Americans who believe in the phrase, "justice for all". Republicans are making all America's founding principles nothing but a farce, and have become a despicable fascist ideology joined at the hip with wealthy corporate pigs!
JesusSavesAtCitibank 2 years ago 5
Democrats need to be rejected or banned by the SC of the USA, for these crimes: 1. atom bombing in Japan. 2. for implementing laws like VAWA. 3. for breaking up family system in USA. 3. for supporting LGBT, Prostitutiuon. 4. for supporting Talibans. 5. after 9/11. they opposed Bush. why? coz they support terrorism.
axn36 5 months ago
I really do need some kind of Youtube 12 step program. But the terms of contracts have always had to be in accord with public policy. And there's nothing wrong with making public policy express through legislation. If President Obama is really in favor of the amendment, it should be time for him to accept Secretary Gates's resignation.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
Y'know I've come to expect ridiculous BS moves like this from Republicans, but seriously WTF is Obama thinking these days.
111hcr32111 2 years ago
Tehy won't get it; they're old, white, liver spt infested, lawyers that probably rape little boys.
djwaglmuffin 2 years ago 2
I cant believe how many rape apologist comments are being made. Its disgusting.
alanagkelly 2 years ago 4
Republicans are getting more sick and retarded each day.
BakersfieldGamer4u 2 years ago 3
i agree. it makes for good satire, but one would expect there to be a limit. there is none, because it's madness.
heyjunky 2 years ago
We have a facebook group.
Search for "Republicans for rape" and look for the one with ~600 members.
quiksilvr 2 years ago
I think it's obvious that etherealstill is purposely trolling this subject. He knows he is getting everyone upset and that is his goal, not actual discussion.
Easy to hide behind a screenname.
sachaput 2 years ago
Damn Anna! Looking good!
djb12030 2 years ago
"deserve it"?... you ignorant fool...
enlightenme992 2 years ago
damn it i hate these ads especially the create your cartoon thing
MsMjfan21 2 years ago 2
When the republicans pull stuff like this, how can anyone take them seriously?
gunslinger107 2 years ago
What a world we live in...
tommypickles09 2 years ago
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I think rape is ok in some situations. At least, in a lot of situations is as much the woman's fault as the man's, because she will dress with revealing clothes and tempt the man to have sex with her. It's like carrying meat through a wolf's den. Women need to understand this, that there are some places that they do not belong, and that dressing like you're in an outlet mall in suburbia is not the right thing to do in a militia zone.
etherealstill 2 years ago
so you're a fucking wolf unable to control your animal urges and behave like a decent human being?
wdgeo 2 years ago 4
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Look, some girls want it. It's human nature. They are to blame for wanting it, and dressing like they want it, yet the man is the one who is prosecuted because they are greedy and they want control. It's like the Kobe Bryant case.
etherealstill 2 years ago
etherealstill, like the Kobe Bryant case? I don't remember reading that Kobe gang raped a girl the point of medical injury and then locked her in a box to keep her from talking!
wdgeo 2 years ago
Actually after arrest, during the interviews the rapist usually can't remember what the victim was wearing. It's a power trip for men, it's not a matter of attraction most of the time.
soupisgreat 2 years ago
That seems to be the media's prevailing position, yes.
etherealstill 2 years ago
You're right and you're wrong. A man shouldn't take pussy by force. But a woman isn't doing herself any favors by being around all that tension & testosterone either. But that said, the woman is not "asking for it" unless she actually asks for it.
My deal is that I think she may have been there for the purpose of sating those men's appetites in the 1st place. BUT she got in a liason that went awry.
But never blame the victim for being "careless" if that's indeed the case. That's mean.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
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Oh, I'm not blaming them for being 'careless', I'm blaming them for being deceitful, lying whores. Most rape victims want to be raped, and they deserve it.
etherealstill 2 years ago
are you fucking stupid.. go talk to some rape victims and see if they "wanted it".. FUCK , people are fucking stupid.
plus44fan36 2 years ago 5
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Of course they aren't going to admit they wanted it. That's part of the game.
It works like this: The women want to get the man's seed, so they dress like sluts, and the men, being innocent agents of mother-nature take what they want, thereby exerting mother-natures will. They women, being selfish and desiring the control that the man has, resorts to litigation to get 'one up' over the man. It's sates their psychological hunger for power, because it's the only way they have to get it.
etherealstill 2 years ago
You make some valid points. There are some women like those you described. But that's the sum total description of 3B humans. But the nonsense about "wanting men's seed" is a little crazy don't you think?
upabittoolate 2 years ago
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I don't think it's crazy. I think our primitive desires are far underrated. I think we want to bury them, and I think the collective human consciousness wants to bury them by labeling them as 'selfish', or 'greedy', and therefore 'wrong', but I don't think that makes them go away.
Society makes rape bad. Mother-nature has condoned it.
etherealstill 2 years ago
Condoned it? I don't think so. If that were the case, mother nature would have never installed the same instincts as protective duty, nesting, building. Don't forget that men have a primitive imperative to look out for the women in their environment. But more than that, I can'[t by the premise of what was "meant to be" because we wouldn't have evolved to this point if mother nature had not intended it. See? That's a deluxe tail chaser argument.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Are people intrinsically selfish? Sure. But some people are intrinsically generous too. I've given the shoes off my own feet to a man that needed them. The same goes for shirts I've worn. I'm not religious, I didn't expect anything in return but some good karma from the Fates.
Mother nature doesn't "condone" rape. Rape just happens to be a part of existence; an unfortunate part.
But, she may have been an escort in the 1st place. Marinate on that.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Do you know how many men have raped women? Do you know how prevalent it is? In some societies, it is certainly accepted, without question. Your argument that mother nature speaks through our present society's attitude towards it is quite dubious, and if correct than mother-nature must have a fickle voice to express such contradictory opinions. She once even condoned slavery through American society. I think it makes more sense to consider society's voice separate from nature's.
etherealstill 2 years ago
shut the fuck up or we'll rape you !
troglodyte3344 2 years ago
Notice how the primitive properties ('fucking' and 'rape) of an imbecile seep out into common dialog, and is perfectly acceptable, yet he still isn't aware of the contradiction that society expects of his behavior.
Quite possibly, rape might not be much of an issue if prostitution were legalized. In fact, if you look at the rape statistics of societies condoning prostitution vs. ones who don't, that trumps the 'it's only a power trip for the man' argument automatically.
etherealstill 2 years ago
I love it when people try to write to be perceived as intelligent but just come across as virgins. It is quite clear and obvious that you are in fact a virgin. you could possibly be the virgin mary incarnate. you should be raped.
troglodyte3344 2 years ago
troglogyte: your statement is entirely inane, unless you could somehow correlate virginity with being wrong.
etherealstill 2 years ago
No It is entirely cogent and logically succinct to call you a virgin. I didnt read what you scribed as it was so pathetically boring to the 10th paradigm.
troglodyte3344 2 years ago
You're right about the reality but that doesn't make it implicitly correct. Among the warlords in Somalia, rape is a rite of passage. It's a way of training out all the humanity a soldier may have left. Arranged marriages are oft consummate by an act of rape. I'm not so naive that I'd deny that. But as a man, I know that my strength doesn't stem from how hard I am, it stems from how reasonable & kind I can be.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
But updabittoolate, that's only your value system. Words like 'strength' and 'kind' are only defined through the value system you prescribe to, and have nothing to do with the reality that nature has defined.
etherealstill 2 years ago
It's not only my value system. It was taught to me by my own father (whose papa was a rolling stone). It was a value system that was reinforced by reading the writing King, Ghandi, Buddha & Lao Tzu. It was a developed when someone tried to pick on my kid sister. It was a principle that was further inculcated when I joined the USAF. The message was always loud & clear to me. It said, "Jamie you're powerful by your very design & your training. Use that power to protect people who aren't."
upabittoolate 2 years ago
I'm not arguing that your value system has it's roots beyond your own perception, I'm arguing that you could very well subscribe to another value system. Neither would be more 'correct' in the objective sense, because neither have any real meaning outside of your, including those who also accept it (including the Air Force and your grandfather), value system. It's merely a method among many, and surely has it's own contradictions and fallacies as any other value system.
etherealstill 2 years ago
And yes, it takes more strength to be kind than to be cruel. How many times have you wanted to knock someone's block off, known that you're not only inclined but capable of doing just that BUT gave that person a pass because in the end, you're better? How many hungry people have you fed? How many shirts have you taken off your own back. How many stranded drivers have you stopped to help?
But with all that, I'm not naive. That's why I'm saying the story has other layers.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
You're obviously not naive.
My argument is simply that in this case, society has told as that rape is wrong. That it's absolutely wrong and that we should take absolute action against its perpetrators. Many will suggest we 'kill' the rapists, for instance, as many who are convinced that some absolute sin has been committed will suggest.
I'm arguing that there is nothing inherently wrong in rape. It's natural. Some societies define it as wrong, however.
etherealstill 2 years ago
I feel you. That's why I started the dialogue by saying that you make some pithy arguments & you're not totally wrong. But I think your disconnect is when you say that rape isn't totally wrong. Sure, the Fates allow it but do you think the victim would agree w/your thesis?
"Kill the rapists"? Fuck that. The punishment wouldn't fit the crime. So that's ludicrous. Even I'm not that radical.
But I dare say that the social orders in which rape is deemed "acceptable" are in the Dark Ages
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Whether or not the victims agree is actually beside the point. There are many cases where society condemns a person's individual desires and in effect disregards their perspective, such as when someone murder's another for revenge.
And nature doesn't respect 'stages' of society, such as 'the dark ages'. That's irrelevant.
etherealstill 2 years ago
I guess you're right in the sense that the victim's opinion doesn't matter. But unless you've been raped, I'm not sure you're endowed to make that call. I'm not trying to offend or dismiss you but I think you've missed that subtlety of my argument.
But let's get back to nature as a concept. If nature has allowed us to evolve, then we MUST consider the notion that it's not static; that we're developing into different beings. I ain't the same as I was last year or even yesterday. R U?
upabittoolate 2 years ago
upabittoolate: I agree that nature allows us to evolve, but I was arguing against society's concept of how we've evolved. You've valued what I argue as 'natue's values' as 'the dark ages', which is simply a stage of society's evolution, and thus is defined only through society's discrimination. It does not refer to the evolution of man.
etherealstill 2 years ago
I don't think that man evolves without the assistance of his environment. In fact, evolution is a function of random mutation but it's sped along by the process of natural selection. Am I slowing evolution by protecting the "less fit"? You can argue that I am. But I think social & biological evolution are concurrent. Arrogant as I may sound, I think ultimately, everyone will see things my way. At least my stance on what strength really is. To me, an is not a brute. Man is just immature.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
upabittoolate, you may very well be right that individuals may evolve to a more 'societal' animal, like bees or ants, but we currently are not. If we were, and individuals really held the views that you do without the aid of society, then there would not be individuals who rape in the first place.
etherealstill 2 years ago
Touche. But let's hope that humanity becomes more "enlightened" 1 day. I don't want any more damaged psyches in women. It does so much collateral damage that I can't begin to describe it. I've had a few gf's that were victims of rape & it made some things nightmare-ish to deal with.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Even if the woman starts wanting it, when she says "no" or "stop' it becomes rape. If a man talks a reluctant woman into have sex 'I know you want it" that is legally considered rape. Even If you think the "no" is teasing, you should stop. I know it's hard for men to control themselves. Too fucking bad for them.
melora72 2 years ago 27
you're good with words.. wanna fuck?
heyjunky 2 years ago
@melora72 Yeah, because fully grown adult women should be treated like 5 year old children by having zero responsibility for there actions because no woman ever lies about it after not saying "no" at all, or lies in court, or makes bad decisions while there drunk. (of course all women are forced to drink by guys as well) and of course none of them say "no" in a playful way when they actually want to, and they need u to make the decision for them since you were there.. Utter crap.
bigge525 1 year ago
Rape is wrong. Period. This isn't an argument. Most societies have NOT said that rape was wrong because women were considered to be objects that were own. What could possibly be right about forcing someone to have sex with you? You are a pretty sick person to think rape is alright. It isn't and it never will be no matter how you try to talk your way out of it. I just hope there are not women anywhere near you or I fear greatly for their safety "since there is nothing wrong with rape"
LifeUntilLove 2 years ago
It's appalling to see how many of you are completely incapable of understanding the subjectivity of morality.
themanwhoknew, your idiocy completely obscures your perception of reality, a reality that includes the true context of my statements, not your blatant and pathetic attempt to malign my argument. I doubt you are really concerned with objectivity here, but for the record, misquoting your opponent's statements out of context does not mean you understand it.
Seriously, buy a clue, dude.
etherealstill 2 years ago
And the argument is not dubious. I'm saying that it's not just 1 way. You say a man is a sexually ravenous being. I won't deny that, I'm sexually ravenous at times. But I say that men are also protective & nurturing. Again, I have nesting & paternal instincts.
No doubt, we're not that far removed form lower animals OR our primitive past. But my argument is that it's just as innate to be "the good guys" as it is to be "the bad guys". And yes, slavery was "condoned" but not anymore.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Who might "have been an escort?" The woman who was gang raped and held hostage in a shipping crate? What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
alanagkelly 2 years ago
Yes, she may have very well been an escort. I think it's completely plausible that she was a paid hooker but her clients got out of hand. I'm all for feminism. But you have to understand that some women make the lucid choice of that as a profession.
Did she sign on to be summarily injured, tortured & confined? I don't think any rational person would sign on for that.
But I don't think she should helped herself by being over there.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
What does feminism have to do with anything?
The sad thing is I dont even think you realize that youre blaming the rape victim. It doesnt matter if she was an escort. Just like it doesnt matter is a woman wears revealing clothing or has had sex with the person before. If a person says NO, then the sex is no longer consensual. That makes it rape. What dont you understand about that?
People like you are the reason most rape victims dont repost their crimes.
alanagkelly 2 years ago
I;m not blaming the victim. That's the feminist slant that I think your using to dress this discussion. I was the 1st 1 to say that raping, if that's the case, is vile. But, I was also the 1st to say "wait a minute, she might been hooking & got herself in a bad spot". Of course no means no. But at the same time, she didn't do herself any favors if she was hooking. Hell, she didn't do herself any favors being in a war zone.
What don't you understand about THAT?
upabittoolate 2 years ago
PS. Alana, you don't know a fucking thing about me so don't make remarks about my person until you've taken a moment to walk & talk with me. As your brother, I'll protect you tooth & nail but you must do the same for me. FYI, I've taught self defense classes (and been the live punching bag); protective duty. Part of protection is that you be reason w/ me not yell @me. I never BLAMED THE VICTIM. I've simply said that there's other factors that are a bit incongruent for my tastes. Understand?
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Yes I understand and you might want to think about why youre getting so defensive. If you want to pat yourself on the back for ultimately thinking no mean no while still entertaining excuses for why she was raped, then you do that. But it has nothing to do with me or feminism.
alanagkelly 2 years ago
It's got everything to do with feminism. You never thought to even consider my viewpoint as valid or feasible because you were too busy being indignant about the event. Again, I've made NO excuses. But let's be grownups for a moment. Do whores exist? Yeah. Are they motivated to go where there's lots of money but few women? Sure. Is it feasible that she may have been 1 of those whores that got in over her head? You better believe it. So why are you throwing barbs at me?
upabittoolate 2 years ago
& I know why I'm defensive. It's because you tried to categorize me without knowing shit about me. "... it's people like you that..."
Are you cognizant of the rhetorical trick you pulled? People oft do that unwittingly. But you're too astute such a mistake. You used that to gain traction & further compound your indignance for the event & consequently compound your contempt for me (w/o even knowing me).
Dislike me. You're allowed. But don't dislike because of a lie you've told yourself.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
you have issues.
alanagkelly 2 years ago
Issues why? Because I caught you in your own fallacy? Fine. But don't try personal bs. Argue issues,
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Now that's just mean man. Women are human beings. Some are deceitful. All lie (all PEOPLE tell lies). And yes, some are whores too. I'm not anti-prostitution. In fact, I think this may have been a business transaction gone bad. Even in trade for favor, parties are expected to be professionals.
In any case, "deserve" has nothing to do with it unless she participated in a gang rape herself (assuming that this was rape). I could see that as bad karma. But "deserve"? C'mon man.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
I understand that youre arguing that a persons value system is personal and therefore laws based on those values are subjective to the people of that culture, but that doesnt support your statement that nature promotes rape.
alanagkelly 2 years ago
Your are correct. That doesn't support my statement that nature promotes rape. The reality that rape occurs over and over, in society's with value systems that oppose it indiscriminately, and that it occurs with such frequently supports my argument that nature promotes rape.
etherealstill 2 years ago
That doesnt do it either actually.
alanagkelly 2 years ago
Actually it does.
etherealstill 2 years ago
He's trying to say that natural law although sometimes cruel, transcends people's law because WE are still governed by our primal instincts before conscience or restraint kicks in. His mistake however, is that there's nuances to each person. Like I said before, some women choose to be whores (yes, some are coerced but that's another convo). Yes, men can be animals. That's why I say she didn't help herself too much.
But, some men are intrinsically kind & some women are naturally virtuous.
upabittoolate 2 years ago
Your comment shows you lack of understanding on this topic. Rape is an act of hate, not an act of lust. People are not animals, we have free choice. Anyone who rapes anyone else is totally responsible for their actions 100% no matter what the circumstances.
gunslinger107 2 years ago 5
etherealstill - You're either a troll, or you can't keep your arguments straight. But either way, after reading your comments it's certain you don't know anything about psychology, biology, culture, social interactions etc. You also assume all woman dress like 'sluts' then you interpret this like they're always wanting it.
Dude, do some research AFTER you get your head out of the clouds and out of your pants.
themanwhoknew 2 years ago
Since you have not suggested any meaningful contradictions to my claim, then I can only assume you are an ignorant sheep who bleets out criticisms to anyone who doesn't agree with the status-quo in the name of his own 'expertise'.
etherealstill 2 years ago
etherealstill - You haven't addressed anything I've said except for one, does that mean you're an ignorant sheep?
You first say it's the woman's fault, then you say it's man's desire to do so anyway, so which is it?
Then you say it occurs in nature, therefore it's okay. So does cannibalism, murder, torture ect. Yet If I came to your house and ate you alive you would want justice.
You have also not provided ANY evidence for anything you've said at all. You're shit at trolling.
themanwhoknew 2 years ago
Short of slamming my head into my desk in frustration at your ignorance, I can only address your pathetic, anecdotal excuses for 'evidence' by asking that you read my actual statements, none of which are reflected in your posturing.
etherealstill 2 years ago
etherealstill - You said these little gems:
"I think rape is ok in some situations. is as much the woman's fault as the man's. It's human nature. They are to blame for wanting it. Mother-nature has condoned it.I'm arguing that there is nothing inherently wrong in rape. It's natural."
You seem to have this idea that:
If it occurs elsewhere = it's okay, they also deserve it (then some hate speech about woman).
themanwhoknew 2 years ago
etherealstill - And now for the fun part.
YOU interpret that woman are dressing like sluts.
You them assume their mentality based off it.
You say based off this assumption they should be raped.
You then make claims they want it but deny it (regardless of the physical or psychological damage).
Then, when someone argues again your position, you constantly say it's natural.
Nature =/= Acceptance.
Once again, you're clueless.
themanwhoknew 2 years ago
themanwhoknew - now for the funner part.
YOU misinterpreted every statement I made.
You are an idiot for giving a fuck.
You have a shitty format for attempting to make counter-arguments.
You can suck my dick.
Then, when I point out you are misinterpreting my statements, you constantly misinterpret them again.
Misinterpreting != Contradiction
Once again, you're an idiot.
etherealstill 2 years ago
etherealstill - I'm an idiot for giving a fuck? You have 26 comments, apparently you give a fuck entirely, so who's the idiot?
You deny you claimed rape is natural, it's the woman's fault, they're sluts purely based on their clothing and they want it and lie about it?
Out of the 2 or so dozens comments you've managed to quote mine yourself.
Nice talking to you Mr. Troll. But I'm going to leave because of this fun quote, "I don't have time to fill my head with ignorant falsehoods"
themanwhoknew 2 years ago