Stop blabbering we Macedonians know whom we are ,you people are lost .
You dance pontian ,black sea like music and dance and many other and call them greek, when you can plainly see Arabic style of dance .
also in the Bazuki you here Islamic music from Turkey wich you people call greek ??? hahhah How stupid can you get ??? to not recognise the difference between your own music and others you copy & call greek hahhahahhah...
TO THESE DOPY SO CALLED MODERN GREEKS THAT SPEAK ATHENIAN GREEKS .... BEFORE EVER GREEKS OR BULGARIANS CAME TO BE KNOW AS WHAT THEY ARE TODAY THERE ALWAYS WAS THE MACEDONIANS !!!
WE COME BEFORE YOU IDIOTS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS .. GREEC GOT ITS NAME AS GREECE & GREEKS AS OF 1820 !! AN DTODAY YOU IDIOTS SPEAK ATHENIAN DIALECT !! WHAT HAPPENED TO SPARTEN ,CRETE DIALECT ?? THE ATHENIANS MADE SURE THEY KILLED IT OFF LIKETHEY TRY TO KILL OFF THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE ?? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!
it is said he spread the Hellenic culture not the " Athenian greek language of today !
The Koine language of the time of Alexander the Macedonian is not anything like todays greek !!
The Macedonians may have made use of the " Koine written language " but it ewas used in the way as we use English todat, by useing the alphabte but with Macdeonians words..
e.g. English , wait for me , don't run - Macedonian, cekaj me , ne trcaj <<<<<< UNDERSTAND ???
I know much better than you which language my greatgrandfather used to speak and who he considered as their co-nationals.
That;s why the notorious criminals of VMRO/Bulgarian butchers Chakalarov and Kliassev were attacking them and killing their co-villagers cause they hadn't declared themselves Bulgarians.
Nice try of yours in deed.
Bulgarian priests and teachers of Exarchate sponsors of Bulgarian national movement/VMRO and you want to lecture us on macedonian matters
@redgreek2811 If you knew what you were talking about you would not post anything about bulgaria!!! Cause VMRO had nothing to do with Bulgaria. In fact people like Delcev and Sandanski were killed by the bulgarian police. One in Egej where he was from, one in Pirin where he was from. Both part of VMRO. Since you say VMRo was bulgarian tell me what does VMRO stand for? Where was it and when was it formed?
Look you should go elsewhere to say your farytales.
Even Mishirkov self-identified as Bulgarian after 1913.The same applied for Miladinov brothers,Parlicev now your ex PM Georgievski, Karolina Goceva etc
VMRO was part of the wider Bulgarian national movement.
In fact if Greece and Serbia had lost in the 2nd Balkan war you whould have become all proud Bulgarians.
Bulgarian language,bulgarian schools, Bulgarian priests,Bulgarian support and arms.
@redgreek2811 Again you might want to read something thats not pro greek or pro bulgarian to learn history. Misirkov has pages missing from his books. He also has stuff deleted and re-written. This has been a fact for years now. Bulgarian history of Macedonia is all based on chaging the words. Even greek historians in Sofia have said this.
Do you know what VMRO stands for? Do you know where it was formed? You are again talking out of your ass. Answer me those questions!!!
@redgreek2811 Do you know how many Macedonians were killed when the bulgarians came in Macedonia in WW2. Entire villages of women and children. Macedonians would have never been under the Bulgar army. Read about the offer Metodija Andonov Cento got from bulgaria & turned it down
You may also want to read about the Macedonian schools, language and freedom the Macedonians had in Bulgaria just after WW2
PS: Pirin was about to join vardar but Tito didnt want Bulgaria part of Yugo
@redgreek2811 You didnt answer me why they are dancing to Macedonian and not greek music? If they were greek they would be dancing and singing to greek music. Not Macedonian music talking about uniting Macedonia the way it was before 1913. These people are Macedonian. Just like the Macedonians in Pirin Vardar and Mala Prespa. One set of people in 4 different countries.
How you cant get this through your head I dont get.
Because this music is part of the tradition of the Greek nation.The same applies to music and songs in Vlach.
You do not have a clue about modern nations generally.
Of course these people are Macedonians and therefore Greek.The only ones who have nothing to do with Macedonia are some proud nationalists of the united Skopjanija project.
@redgreek2811 If they have nothing to do with the Macedonians from Macedonia. Then why do they speak the same language? Sing the same songs. dance to the same dances. And talk about uniting Macedonia. But, from your theory I can see some of the people living in Cyprus are not greek.
Skopjanci have never been and will never become Macedonians.So according to you the cornerstone of national identity is the language.The why Torbeshi do not self-identify as the christians with whom they share the same language.
Why so many of your people including ex PM of FYROM Georgievski declare themselves Bulgarians despite the common language?
@redgreek2811 Skopjani are people that live in the cap. city of Macedonia. Its on part of Macedonia. You are brining religion to this. Then explain Albanians? Serbian and Croatian speak the same languag are they the same people? Macedonian Serbian and Bulgarian are common languages. But one person developed them where was he from? The reason that idiot says he is bulgarian is cause he is.
Now you didnt answer any of my questions. WHy are these people singing and dancing to the same music.
Skopjanci are all these who share the same national ideology and recognize as their national centre the city of Skopje.
Modern nations are the product of capitalism and elightenment of the last 2 centuries.People who spoke similar languages adopted different national identities.
That's why apart from some 0.09% of people in Macedonia who vote for Vinozito all the others have adopted the Greek national identiy.
@redgreek2811 Skopjani are people that come from the city of Skopje. But I see you are an idiot and trying to start a fight. So the party you vote makes you who you are? If they have adopted greek national identity then why are there thousands and thousand of Macedonian like these people singing and dancing to Macedonian music. Speaking the same Macedonian language as the Macedonians from Pirin and mala prespa as well as the rep. of Macedonia!!!
Off course there are people in Cyprus who aren't Greek.The 20% of the indigenous Cypriots are Turks.
Are you Colombus?
Why DO Serbs and Croats are 2 diferent nations despite the same language?
How on earth are you nationally different from Bulgarians when you undermine the right of these people in Giannitsa to be slavic speaking Macedonians and Greeks at the same time.
They are free to whatever they want,dance and sing whatever they want.
@redgreek2811 Do you even know what you are asking me. Your point was that Macedonians and Bulgarians speak the same language and thats why they are the same people. I told you Serbs and Croats speak the same language are they the same people? I also said the Macedonian Serb and Bulgarian are close but you never answered me who formed the language, and where he was born?
Language is not the cornerstone of national identity.Greek speaking muslims had never felt Greeks in ethnic/national sense and were exchanged to Turkey in 1923.
That;s why i think that the majority of the slavic speaking Macedonians in Greece have been incorporated into modern Greek nation voluntarily.They have the right for a distinct cultural-linguistic identity but they are Greek not only in citizenship but in national identity too
what do you mean by asking who formed the language?
the language spoken for example by theGreek speaking muslims in Crete,Evia and southern Macedonia was the modern Greek but wasn't considered by them their national language cause they felt Turks.
Accordingly the people in Giannitsa respect and speak their slavic macedonian mother tongue but they feel Macedonian as part of Greek identity.At least the vast majority of them.Remember Vinozito have never got more than 0.09% in Macedonia
@redgreek2811 The Green party has never gotten more then 1% of the vote either. Whats your point? Tell me if these people think Macedonia is greece why are they dancing to Macedonian music and not greek?
First of all is it forbidden to dance in their local vernacular or should they be prohibited to do so?
Secondly dancing in a non Greek language does not make them anything else cause Modern Greek nation is the product of a complex nation building process like all modern nations.
They are whatever they feel and 99% of them are Greek.
Pity for the efforts and the dollars of Toronto and Melbourne
Why do your beloved Torbeshi self-identify as Albanians or Turks and not like you?
@redgreek2811 This is the same music same language and same dancing as the Macedonians from rep. of Macedonia. So if these people are greek then the Macedonians from rep. of Macedonia are greek too. LOL. What a joke.Plus these songs talk about uniting Macedonians from egej pirin and vardar. You are out of your league. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Torbeshi sing and dance the same songs and speak the very same language but they self-identify as Albanians or Turks mostly and certainly not as co-nationals of you.
Time to smell the coffe buddy.
The Millions of Real Macedonians in Greece do not feel like you
The project of the united Skopjanija has been and still is so ambitious that only got in successive Greek elections no more than 0.09% of the votes in Macedonia and no more than 3% in Florina distict.
@redgreek2811 wow do you even have a clue what you are talking about? If they were greek they would be singing and dancing to greek music not Macedonian. Plus these songs are about uniting Macedonia. So how on earth are they greek? Wow so many idiot comments by you fags. Its so stupid that you dont even have a clue what you are talking about
@redgreek2811 Is that the best argument you have. LOL. Man you are an idiot Nice try to speak Macedonian. But you may want to find out what language your great great g/father was speaking. You may also want to read history. VMRO was formed in Solun to free Macedonia from the Turks. I dont care what family you come home you have no clue about what went on in Egejska Macedonia. My great great g/father died in Egejska Macedonia. I know more about the history of Egejska Macedonia then you every will
@redgreek2811 The city is Solun. That city means more to the Macedonians then it will ever mean to any other people Many Macedonians died in that prison. Many Macedonian attacks were planned there and well when you answer my question you will see what was formed there. Now since I answered your question why dont you tell me why it took until 1988 for greece to change the name from northern greece to Macedonia? By the way I would not talk about internal Macedonian problems, look in the mirrior.
The city has always been called and will always be in the future Thessaloniki.Solun is a by-product of the original ancient name.
Many Bitolcani and Strumicani left their homes after 1913 to come to Greece and the Greek part of Macedonia. They used to call Kilkis New Strumica.
Guess why?
Macedonia has always been Macedonia in Greece.I am old enough to know that my school books in late 70s and early 80s mentioned Macedonia as the craddle of the Greek nation
@redgreek2811 So your theory is that Macedonians from rep. of Macedonia are greek as well. LOL. What a joke. You still have not explained to me why did it take until 1988 to change the name from northern greece to Macedonia? Funny how there are greek history books that only show Macedonia where todays rep. of Macedonia is and no other Macedonia. If you want I will show you the clips. You are not going to lie to me.
Bravo Makedonci :)
FuckerrMkdd 1 month ago
Greeks or what ever you actually are .
Stop blabbering we Macedonians know whom we are ,you people are lost .
You dance pontian ,black sea like music and dance and many other and call them greek, when you can plainly see Arabic style of dance .
also in the Bazuki you here Islamic music from Turkey wich you people call greek ??? hahhah How stupid can you get ??? to not recognise the difference between your own music and others you copy & call greek hahhahahhah...
JANDAR69 6 months ago
TO THESE DOPY SO CALLED MODERN GREEKS THAT SPEAK ATHENIAN GREEKS .... BEFORE EVER GREEKS OR BULGARIANS CAME TO BE KNOW AS WHAT THEY ARE TODAY THERE ALWAYS WAS THE MACEDONIANS !!!
WE COME BEFORE YOU IDIOTS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS .. GREEC GOT ITS NAME AS GREECE & GREEKS AS OF 1820 !! AN DTODAY YOU IDIOTS SPEAK ATHENIAN DIALECT !! WHAT HAPPENED TO SPARTEN ,CRETE DIALECT ?? THE ATHENIANS MADE SURE THEY KILLED IT OFF LIKETHEY TRY TO KILL OFF THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE ?? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!
JANDAR69 8 months ago
@JANDAR69
Put the blame on Alexander the Macedon who spread the ''ATHENIAN'' language worldwide.
redgreek2811 6 months ago
@redgreek2811
it is said he spread the Hellenic culture not the " Athenian greek language of today !
The Koine language of the time of Alexander the Macedonian is not anything like todays greek !!
The Macedonians may have made use of the " Koine written language " but it ewas used in the way as we use English todat, by useing the alphabte but with Macdeonians words..
e.g. English , wait for me , don't run - Macedonian, cekaj me , ne trcaj <<<<<< UNDERSTAND ???
JANDAR69 6 months ago
@JANDAR69
The Greek language in the ancient athenian version of it became an international one due to Alexander and the Macedonians.
So Alexander, instead of using his mother tongue, made international the language of his assumimg enemies,the Greeks.
Are you happy and satisfied with this explanation Skopjanec?
It seems to me a very poor explanation
redgreek2811 6 months ago
@JANDAR69
Modern Greek nation was formed in late 18th -early 19th century and your nation was formed in early-mid 20th century
What exactly is your point?
Even your assuming great awakeners of yours Mladinov brat,Parlicev and Mishirkov used to call themselves Bulgarians
redgreek2811 6 months ago
@APMUMBP
I know much better than you which language my greatgrandfather used to speak and who he considered as their co-nationals.
That;s why the notorious criminals of VMRO/Bulgarian butchers Chakalarov and Kliassev were attacking them and killing their co-villagers cause they hadn't declared themselves Bulgarians.
Nice try of yours in deed.
Bulgarian priests and teachers of Exarchate sponsors of Bulgarian national movement/VMRO and you want to lecture us on macedonian matters
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 If you knew what you were talking about you would not post anything about bulgaria!!! Cause VMRO had nothing to do with Bulgaria. In fact people like Delcev and Sandanski were killed by the bulgarian police. One in Egej where he was from, one in Pirin where he was from. Both part of VMRO. Since you say VMRo was bulgarian tell me what does VMRO stand for? Where was it and when was it formed?
APMUMBP 8 months ago
@APMUMBP
Look you should go elsewhere to say your farytales.
Even Mishirkov self-identified as Bulgarian after 1913.The same applied for Miladinov brothers,Parlicev now your ex PM Georgievski, Karolina Goceva etc
VMRO was part of the wider Bulgarian national movement.
In fact if Greece and Serbia had lost in the 2nd Balkan war you whould have become all proud Bulgarians.
Bulgarian language,bulgarian schools, Bulgarian priests,Bulgarian support and arms.
You had Bulgarian forefathers.
redgreek2811 8 months ago
@redgreek2811 Again you might want to read something thats not pro greek or pro bulgarian to learn history. Misirkov has pages missing from his books. He also has stuff deleted and re-written. This has been a fact for years now. Bulgarian history of Macedonia is all based on chaging the words. Even greek historians in Sofia have said this.
Do you know what VMRO stands for? Do you know where it was formed? You are again talking out of your ass. Answer me those questions!!!
APMUMBP 7 months ago
@APMUMBP
So again why was Mishirkov declared himself Bulgarian after 1913?
Why did Miladinov brothers collect publish the collection of Bulgarian poems and folk songs and not Macedonian?
Why did Parlicev consider himself Bulgarian all his life?
Why did exPM Georgievski apply and was granted the Bulgarian citizenship in 2006?
Why did Carolina Goceva apply for Bulgarian citizenship too?
Many questions for you to answer
redgreek2811 6 months ago
@redgreek2811 Do you know how many Macedonians were killed when the bulgarians came in Macedonia in WW2. Entire villages of women and children. Macedonians would have never been under the Bulgar army. Read about the offer Metodija Andonov Cento got from bulgaria & turned it down
You may also want to read about the Macedonian schools, language and freedom the Macedonians had in Bulgaria just after WW2
PS: Pirin was about to join vardar but Tito didnt want Bulgaria part of Yugo
Lots 4 u 2 read
APMUMBP 7 months ago
Carolina Goceva was granted the Bulgarian nationality recently
redgreek2811 9 months ago
First of all it is u who is lecturing us on Greek identity.
You don't have a clue how modern Greek nation was formed during the last 2 centuries.
These people dance and are proud about a cultural heritage that is part of the Greek tradition.
There are free,happy and have nothing to do with your moronic strategy about united "Skopjanija"
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 You didnt answer me why they are dancing to Macedonian and not greek music? If they were greek they would be dancing and singing to greek music. Not Macedonian music talking about uniting Macedonia the way it was before 1913. These people are Macedonian. Just like the Macedonians in Pirin Vardar and Mala Prespa. One set of people in 4 different countries.
How you cant get this through your head I dont get.
APMUMBP 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
Because this music is part of the tradition of the Greek nation.The same applies to music and songs in Vlach.
You do not have a clue about modern nations generally.
Of course these people are Macedonians and therefore Greek.The only ones who have nothing to do with Macedonia are some proud nationalists of the united Skopjanija project.
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 If they have nothing to do with the Macedonians from Macedonia. Then why do they speak the same language? Sing the same songs. dance to the same dances. And talk about uniting Macedonia. But, from your theory I can see some of the people living in Cyprus are not greek.
APMUMBP 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
Skopjanci have never been and will never become Macedonians.So according to you the cornerstone of national identity is the language.The why Torbeshi do not self-identify as the christians with whom they share the same language.
Why so many of your people including ex PM of FYROM Georgievski declare themselves Bulgarians despite the common language?
Why did Mishirkov declare himself Bulgarian?
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 Skopjani are people that live in the cap. city of Macedonia. Its on part of Macedonia. You are brining religion to this. Then explain Albanians? Serbian and Croatian speak the same languag are they the same people? Macedonian Serbian and Bulgarian are common languages. But one person developed them where was he from? The reason that idiot says he is bulgarian is cause he is.
Now you didnt answer any of my questions. WHy are these people singing and dancing to the same music.
APMUMBP 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
Skopjanci are all these who share the same national ideology and recognize as their national centre the city of Skopje.
Modern nations are the product of capitalism and elightenment of the last 2 centuries.People who spoke similar languages adopted different national identities.
That's why apart from some 0.09% of people in Macedonia who vote for Vinozito all the others have adopted the Greek national identiy.
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 Skopjani are people that come from the city of Skopje. But I see you are an idiot and trying to start a fight. So the party you vote makes you who you are? If they have adopted greek national identity then why are there thousands and thousand of Macedonian like these people singing and dancing to Macedonian music. Speaking the same Macedonian language as the Macedonians from Pirin and mala prespa as well as the rep. of Macedonia!!!
APMUMBP 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
Off course there are people in Cyprus who aren't Greek.The 20% of the indigenous Cypriots are Turks.
Are you Colombus?
Why DO Serbs and Croats are 2 diferent nations despite the same language?
How on earth are you nationally different from Bulgarians when you undermine the right of these people in Giannitsa to be slavic speaking Macedonians and Greeks at the same time.
They are free to whatever they want,dance and sing whatever they want.
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 Do you even know what you are asking me. Your point was that Macedonians and Bulgarians speak the same language and thats why they are the same people. I told you Serbs and Croats speak the same language are they the same people? I also said the Macedonian Serb and Bulgarian are close but you never answered me who formed the language, and where he was born?
APMUMBP 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
No actually my point is tottaly the opposite.
Language is not the cornerstone of national identity.Greek speaking muslims had never felt Greeks in ethnic/national sense and were exchanged to Turkey in 1923.
That;s why i think that the majority of the slavic speaking Macedonians in Greece have been incorporated into modern Greek nation voluntarily.They have the right for a distinct cultural-linguistic identity but they are Greek not only in citizenship but in national identity too
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
what do you mean by asking who formed the language?
the language spoken for example by theGreek speaking muslims in Crete,Evia and southern Macedonia was the modern Greek but wasn't considered by them their national language cause they felt Turks.
Accordingly the people in Giannitsa respect and speak their slavic macedonian mother tongue but they feel Macedonian as part of Greek identity.At least the vast majority of them.Remember Vinozito have never got more than 0.09% in Macedonia
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 The Green party has never gotten more then 1% of the vote either. Whats your point? Tell me if these people think Macedonia is greece why are they dancing to Macedonian music and not greek?
APMUMBP 8 months ago
@APMUMBP
First of all is it forbidden to dance in their local vernacular or should they be prohibited to do so?
Secondly dancing in a non Greek language does not make them anything else cause Modern Greek nation is the product of a complex nation building process like all modern nations.
They are whatever they feel and 99% of them are Greek.
Pity for the efforts and the dollars of Toronto and Melbourne
Why do your beloved Torbeshi self-identify as Albanians or Turks and not like you?
redgreek2811 8 months ago
@redgreek2811 This is the same music same language and same dancing as the Macedonians from rep. of Macedonia. So if these people are greek then the Macedonians from rep. of Macedonia are greek too. LOL. What a joke.Plus these songs talk about uniting Macedonians from egej pirin and vardar. You are out of your league. You have no idea what you are talking about.
APMUMBP 7 months ago
@APMUMBP
Torbeshi sing and dance the same songs and speak the very same language but they self-identify as Albanians or Turks mostly and certainly not as co-nationals of you.
Time to smell the coffe buddy.
The Millions of Real Macedonians in Greece do not feel like you
redgreek2811 6 months ago
@APMUMBP
The project of the united Skopjanija has been and still is so ambitious that only got in successive Greek elections no more than 0.09% of the votes in Macedonia and no more than 3% in Florina distict.
Why?
redgreek2811 6 months ago
greeks hope u watching this its not in skopie or bitola its in greece where macedonians live bravo pedia
lerinism 10 months ago
@lerinism
They are proud Macedonians and therefore Greeks.They express themselves freely and joyfully.
They are not however Skopjanci and will never be.
Cheers from the Real Macedonia,Greece
redgreek2811 10 months ago
@redgreek2811 wow do you even have a clue what you are talking about? If they were greek they would be singing and dancing to greek music not Macedonian. Plus these songs are about uniting Macedonia. So how on earth are they greek? Wow so many idiot comments by you fags. Its so stupid that you dont even have a clue what you are talking about
APMUMBP 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
How on earth were Kottas,Kyrou and Dalipis Greek ?
How on earth were Karatassos and Gatsos Greek the heros of the revolution of 1821 in Macedonia?
How on earth were Greek thousands of Macedonians despite their mother tongue?
It is you who do not have a clue about Macedonia and Macedonians.
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811
Because they felt Macedonians and therefore Greek.They fought for Macedonia to be free and united with Majka Gritsia.
Kottas,Kyrou and Dalipis were constanlty attacked by VMRO supporters.
Since I happen to have roots from Dalipis family i have a much better idea than you about his life and identity
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 Is that the best argument you have. LOL. Man you are an idiot Nice try to speak Macedonian. But you may want to find out what language your great great g/father was speaking. You may also want to read history. VMRO was formed in Solun to free Macedonia from the Turks. I dont care what family you come home you have no clue about what went on in Egejska Macedonia. My great great g/father died in Egejska Macedonia. I know more about the history of Egejska Macedonia then you every will
APMUMBP 9 months ago
@APMUMBP
why do you avoid mentioning the ancient name of the city, Thessaloniki?
does it make you feel nervous?
aren't you satisfied with the antiquization taking place in FYROM by Grujos and co?
redgreek2811 9 months ago
@redgreek2811 The city is Solun. That city means more to the Macedonians then it will ever mean to any other people Many Macedonians died in that prison. Many Macedonian attacks were planned there and well when you answer my question you will see what was formed there. Now since I answered your question why dont you tell me why it took until 1988 for greece to change the name from northern greece to Macedonia? By the way I would not talk about internal Macedonian problems, look in the mirrior.
APMUMBP 8 months ago
@APMUMBP
The city has always been called and will always be in the future Thessaloniki.Solun is a by-product of the original ancient name.
Many Bitolcani and Strumicani left their homes after 1913 to come to Greece and the Greek part of Macedonia. They used to call Kilkis New Strumica.
Guess why?
Macedonia has always been Macedonia in Greece.I am old enough to know that my school books in late 70s and early 80s mentioned Macedonia as the craddle of the Greek nation
redgreek2811 8 months ago
@redgreek2811 So your theory is that Macedonians from rep. of Macedonia are greek as well. LOL. What a joke. You still have not explained to me why did it take until 1988 to change the name from northern greece to Macedonia? Funny how there are greek history books that only show Macedonia where todays rep. of Macedonia is and no other Macedonia. If you want I will show you the clips. You are not going to lie to me.
APMUMBP 7 months ago
Gia sou Palikari-giunak Makenots
kiro1821 10 months ago
kade e ova?
TheZuksi 10 months ago
Поздрав Македонци !!!! Македонско ИМЕ , да не дозволиме да загине !!!
alisaofmacedon 10 months ago