The Thief and the Cobbler Workprint (part 1)

[91lilkolo]

this is so amazing. Richard Williams is a genius! I love his work, his tutorial animation book, and he's my animation hero! I wish he had finished this piece....:/

[HUBailey]

LOL the nun ownin the thief!

[Josh366lol]

Have you ever thought of fixing the audio? Just saying.

[SultanOfSwords]

This is Muslim Tale from (Tale of 1000 And 1 Nights )

[ChickenClanxGreen]

LMFAO ! the thief cracks me up

[CDBigShow]

the talking thief is the only redeemable quality of the whole movie, besides the interesting visuals. Matthew Broderick as Tack makes Tack just an annoying character.

[darklordrandy]

Its so sad to watch this since this could have been the greatest animated film of all time

[CaninesAreLove]

Richard Williams is a great animator. He was my inspiration to animate in the first place. It's amazing what he can do with some ink and paint, and should be recognized.

[Mesterius1]

Can you post the rest of the workprint as well?

[guitaoist]

tahank YOU..

[CDBigShow]

Is there no fucking version on youtube with the thief's thoughts? All this recobbled, rework shit. Not one ass can post a video with the thief talking?

[Grahamx227]

@CDBigShow

Because... the versions where the thief talked were shit?

[BOREDAnomynous]

@CDBigShow thats what i wnat to know i love that version thats the one i grew up with and thats what makes the movie so good did you ever find one where you di?

[CDBigShow]

@BOREDAnomynous i bought the version I wanted for my birthday. My friends laughed and enjoyed it. I really don't care for Tack, just the bits with the Thief. He's smarter than any character in the story.

[aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa]

@CDBigShow the version of the thief speaking ( rather monologing) is here on Youtube by the name Arabian Knight.

it simply wont deserve to be called The Thief and the Cobbler.

[followHimnotUs]

i love watching this, but the sound mixing/sound effects/some of the music is just awful. Richard Williams was a crazy crazy guy.

[LaukkuTheGreit]

@followHimnotUs The original sound was never completely finished (much of the FX and music is missing in the workprint), and the Recobbled Cut borrows a lot from the stupid versions and other sources. Some of the workprint music probably was even placeholder.

[Vixenfox259]

A tim burton character in a aladdin world.

[guitaoist]

they both have moon in capricorn cf my channel:)

[angheartart]

My sister and cousins and I loved this movie when we were 10. I remember not a lot of people had heard of it. ): but apparently ya'll have.(:

[Mikizzle15]

This was my favorite kid movie. Tack was awesome. I wanted a boyfriend like him.

[Kissthesky94]

this is the trippiest movie ive ever seen and also the greatest

[supersqueak]

this shit scared me when I was a kid

[zimmawoman]

yeah i know right but i liked it at the same time

[rleigh87]

@supersqueak Rock a Doodle scared the crap out of me. Stupid owl....

[Ayame837]

i had my coffee...i read the paper...now its time to go to work...MINE! XD

[PhysicsLord321]

i had this movie or something like this when i was little.

[GaaraIsMine4Ever]

@PhysicsLord321

Me too! I LOVED this movie when I was little. I cried so terribly when I lost it when I moved (I was 9). I don't cry about it now, but I'm still looking for it. I might even repurchase it from somewhere. It was an AWESOME movie!!!!! :D

[PhysicsLord321]

lol after looking for about 2 days i found the movie in the old movies pile we made when i moved!

lol i watched it straight away!

i could try to upload it if anyone wants it too.

(full movie)

[GaaraIsMine4Ever]

Oh! PLEEEEEEEEEEASE do it!! :)

[Zarfene]

Yes!! This was one of my favorite childhood movies! Do eet!! DOOOO EEEEETT!!!

Pretty please?

[TheNEWfilmfanatic99]

is this different to the recobbled version?

[MajorEasley]

Woooow

[xgoddammitx]

where's the second part?

[ElachimArtist]

Wow! That looks amazing! Why did they stop the project??

[masterofzelda]

Waner Bros. was pushing Richard to change parts of the movie, which he didn't... But the biggest problem was that Disney was already around the corner with Aladin, and Waner was afraid Richard couldn't finish the movie in time anymore... And he already went past the budget with a couple of million...

[SergeantLuke]

Where can I find the rest of this workprint?

[TheJesusSucks]

Where did Williams get this music if this was just a workprint? Is it an original composition?

[LaukkuTheGreit]

Most of the music is original, although some classical music is used as well (such as in the Escher chase scene). No one knows who composed the original score (except maybe just a couple of people: Richard Williams and the composer himself).

[AngelTakio]

Why is everything Tack does just so gosh durn CUTE!? ^^

[FuzzyDuck]

Why don't you want the Recobbled Cut?

[shallwethen]

ahah I made a mistake, somebody told me the recobbled cut was redone and ruined, i didnt realise what it actually was until I watched it and it was exactly what i wanted to watch again xD

[FuzzyDuck]

Ah, I see.

[Mowaie]

My aunt still has this movie, i think....

Epic.

[eartianwerewolf]

I had this movie X3. I hope my mom didn't get rid of it....we might still have it yet, not sure..*crosses fingers* i hope we do...yet i doubt it.

[xmaryHXCx]

damn this movie is so old but such a classic.

i cant find it anywhere!!

[Sokushitsu]

It's so difficult to find this movie!!!

[Murdoc2Dbabe]

Man this is like one of my fav. movies. Zigzag walks so cool!!

Have no fear! Zigzag's here!

[dwaynefitgerald]

I remeber this movie!

[RoXiDiO]

Excelente película, NO la puedo conseguir por ningún lado, y mucho menos en español. AYUDAAA

[martavideos93]

la pelicula la puedes conseguir en el ares.. yo me la he bajado de alli!

[LaukkuTheGreit]

Did anyone notice that the hands form a tack at 3:00 when the narrator says "the smallest and simplest of things"?

[hifigi]

Wow, i've seen that intro numerous times and never caught it. Very adept!

[harpiela]

ty for film

lol

[starcat65]

I worked on this film ... and think its fab that people can see this version ...

[TheLastHylianTitan]

@starcat65 you deserve a prize of some sort. seriously, nice work.

[HUBailey]

@starcat65 Oh really! Were you on Williams' team or Calvert's team

[KingOystar]

I have not seen this in years. thank you so much for posting this.

[slymacaroon]

here i am posting again waiting for you to send more of these videos

[slymacaroon]

all right if you insist

[slymacaroon]

seriosly sangoku load the other parts now or im just gonna keep writingthese comments

[Apostolic2chik5]

Instead you can just go to google video and type in "The Thief and the Cobbler" there are 3 different versions available there...w/o parts...it's the whole movie : )

[indieshorthair]

does anyone know where I could buy or get a copy of this of the workprint on dvd or vhs?

[StaceyJohle]

I went to CD Plus, and although they didn't carry it,. they've placed an order for me and I'll get my copy within the next few weeks.

[Effici3nthawk]

I still have it on vhs from when it first came out :)

[anthonyna]

I love this movie I love Tack and Thief and Yum-Yum. btw I think that nanny is horror. her arms are looks like male monster's arms...horrifing

[Jal8919536]

The thief resembles the pickpocket from Richard Williams' "Ziggy's Gift" who pursues Ziggy for the magic crock.

[alekesam]

I think that is the same character.

[slymacaroon]

when is some one gonna get the workprint part 2???

[Tsubahi]

The beginning is WAY too slow!

[princessirenie]

ok, yes, the comment was a little negative, but dudes got a point....it IS little lengthy

[xlovinitx3]

ohh man.

i LOVE this movie.

<3

its pretty interesting to see what it looked like before.

[fanatic10387]

thanks for uploading.

[ValkyrieMoon]

Hmm, would you mind being a dear and telling me where you got this original workprint? It looks really nice.

[CaramelJamaicanGyal]

where r the rest of the parts?

[heama]

is there a way to download the movie besides torrent...all the torrent file seems dead

[CrimsonNineTail]

i guess I'll just have to watch the Miramax version then. They even have Vincent Price's voice recorded on the Miramax version. But he died after the release of that version. So I guess you can tell it was in production for a long time. I love how the Nana beats up the thief LOL.

[coolguy42188]

Wait! Scratch that. There were two versions that were released.

[winxgirl101]

(sniff) i grew up on this movie!

[CrimsonNineTail]

Ok I'm sorry but what is the story behind this film. I heard there are two versions of this. What is the deal and what company made this? Was it one of those unknown animation studios? I'll look it up on wikipedia, but I would like to know what this movies' deal is.

[coolguy42188]

There are three versions. Poor Williams started this project in the early 1960's only to have Warner Bros. take the project from him after promising him that he could finish it. He didn't submit it on time so they had someone else finish it. It was his baby, but the Warner Bros. had to act like social services and take it away. I still liked Jonathon Winters's role as the thief. The complications this film went through was an atrocity. Williams wants to finish it his way though to this very day.

[CrimsonNineTail]

OK I think I get it now. Was Jonathon Winters in the Miramax version? Its a shame I migt have liked the original version, If it only had a bit more dialouge, but it is still good none the less. To be honest I never seen this movie so I really can't be judgemental here. I thought there were only two versions released. I looked this up on wiki and it is said that this movie is the long animated film to be in production hell. Animators today still regard this as a visual masterpiece

[MatthiusMonkey]

i wish richard williams got to finnish this

[CMW1995]

This movie is SO confusing it's scaring me. I get the part that the princess is so much more, but the rest doesn't make sense! But I'm not trying to stop you from watching it, enjoy if you want to. Sorry, for this complaint.

[maggiewill]

It's confusing because the Completion Bond Company took it over before it was finished and decided to make changes. There were twin princesses in the original, not one. And the "so much more" tripe was added by people who had no idea what they were doing. It's like a game of Telephone--everyone getting part of an original message and passing on something completely unrelated.

[Pillowchii]

Maggie, where are you getting this information from?

[maggiewill]

Personal knowledge.

[Pillowchii]

That's fine and good hun, but you're kind of coming off as a pushy know-it-all. Unless you can quote your source, none of what you're saying is necessarily valid. Just let us think what we think, and enjoy what we have of this film for what it is. :/ This is the fourth Cobbler video I've seen you posting copious "facts and opinions" on. You don't have to be right all the time.

[maggiewill]

Only posting my opinion. My opinion may not be "right", whatever that means, but since I wrote the original screenplay and lived with the director and had two children with him and was married to him, I might be considered a reliable source by some, hun.

[Blazenix1]

Wow, cool!!

[imanicecreamcone]

So Maggie, are you Margaret French? That's who is listed on IMDb as the writer of this movie. IMDb doesn't mention you as ever having been married to Richard Williams. Are your two kids Alexander and Claire? That's what IMDb says, but they don't say you're the mother. Sorry if I'm irritating you, it's just IMDb is normally pretty accurate, and they seem to have just cut you out of the picture. I'm not questioning that you are what you say you are, just commenting! :)

[maggiewill]

I WAS Margaret French, Emma. Now my surname is Williams. IMDB isn't as accurate as you may wish. As in any kind of information gathering, you need to check several sources. Try looking at Wikipedia.

[imanicecreamcone]

Yeah, that's true what you say about IMDb, or any source really. That's interesting, I'm sorry your movie never got to be completed and whatnot.

[junedeon]

Maggiewill, I just had to add my comments; I had read several things about this film after watching it for the first time on cable some years ago. Such a shame that even after winning an Oscar for Roger Rabbit, he STILL wasn't able to see his version released. Is Disney still trying to restore it, or has it fallen by the wayside? By the way, is it true that Zig-Zag's name came from the rolling paper? And I enjoyed his version of the Pink Panther too.

[maggiewill]

ZigZag's name came from the way he walks, which underscores his dishonest nature. His speech always rhymes and has meter to demonstrate the same thing--he never simply responds with the truth but is always dissembling. He is the only character in the script who speaks this way. The rest of the dialogue is normal, well, except for the old witch when she's chanting a spell.

[junedeon]

Thanks for getting back to me mags! Damn my short attention span...I had almost forgotten that I posted something on this board! So, what's going on with the film so far? Anything?

[walterlantzandtetsuo]

This is a unfinished work from Richard Williams P.S.: Note that

the narration voice over was Felix Aylmer (1888-1979)

[jyhwang1505]

I have this Movie and I just watched it Best movie EVA!

[Esspresso01]

Could someone upload the remaining parts of the workprint?

[ThatGothicChick]

Can someone pleeeeease tell me where to find the music???

[haeverland457]

Wikipedia

[haeverland457]

how sad that it was never complete, or was it?

[Esspresso01]

No it wasn't, only 15 measly minutes wasn't finished!!!!

[ichigofluff66]

but its still a beautiful movie

[dopexlove]

i have this movie :)

[maggiewill]

You have an imitation of this movie. THIS movie was never finished.

[vanimelda4]

Sigh, how I love this movie. (the recobbled cut that is). Sad that it dissappeared from youtube, but I think it's on googlevidoe somewhere for those of you who still need to see it.

[crocetti1984]

Omg, Disney totally ripped off this movie!

[maggiewill]

No kidding.

[Ironqueenrkl]

I have to admit this version is worlds better than the released version!

[searchingforthree]

I know that last year, The whole Recobbled cut Version

was gone. But, Oh, how I wish it would come back, and

with it new froum.

[sonicOneTwo]

It's on Goggle Video

[CountTentacula]

It'd be cool to have shoes like those of Zig-Zag. They extend like party favors.

[electricNEON264]

hahahah i remember this movie from when i was a kid! this animation was stunning!

oh, and at 04: 17- 04: 40 the theif's ass gets whooped by an old lady XD

[darthbullwinkle]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE this original version! Wish it was on DVD... for now I have to stick to bootlegs. :(

Thank you SO MUCH for posting this! Is there any more?

[sangokyu]

If I had a program to easily and freely cut apart this workprint, I'd post the rest. It's a normal .AVI file

[tinylittlelifeform]

where did you get this from, man!? omg, id do anything to get the whole recobbled bits! ;)

[Edeus]

Zig Zag has 3 jointed fingers! And 6 digits per hand!!

[winxgirl101]

i grew up on this movie!!!!

[aznbandit355]

can u upload the whole movie?

[rosssyabide]

Yeah! I've always wanted to see this movie!

pleeeaaase?

[CountTentacula]

If you do, you'll be glad that you did.

It's the paragon of animated cartoons.

[electricNEON264]

i know right? this movie was, if not a little weird, just phenominal. The characters, dimentions, character design, everything is flawless!

But 3 questions come to mind:

Where is the REAL REAL version, and how come Disney butchered it so much? They made 2 shitty versions of this film, and hose versions aren't even available anymore! Didn't Richard Williams do sumthing about this?!?!

[electricNEON264]

*those

[Ironqueenrkl]

It wasn't disney who butdhered it! It was Miramax which used to be it's own entity! Miramax is now owned by disney. Yes the Miramax version stinks!

[Pillowchii]

I thought he died before it was finished. :/ That's why it was never released as it should. I don't get it either, I know tons of people (myself included) who would KILL to have a dvd release of the original piece, even with the unfinished scenes mixed throughout. Sigh.

[maggiewill]

He didn't die before it was finished. He's still alive, in fact. He went over time and over budget and Warner Brothers let the Completion Bond Company take it away from him.

[Pillowchii]

Huh. I never knew that. :/ Even so I truly wish whomever owns the rights to the original film would resurrect it and finish it the way it was MEANT to be finished. To me, this went the same way as Destino, it's still wonderful, but...it could have been so, so so much more.

[AngelTakio]

Roy Disney tried to put it back together in it's original formant but he left Disney in 2006 so the project is on hold until he or another animator pick it up

[DireSloth]

Wow, it seems so different without the Thief's wierd little mumblings....

Aww, I forgot what a cool looking character Tack was...

The animation in this thing is amazing! You can't get quality like this anymore, even unfinished it looks awesome...

[Niffiwan]

Wow, compare this with tygerbug's restored version. It's amazing how much difference music makes - one of the funniest scenes is absolutely boring without the music. I understand a bit better now why the studio bosses hated the film when Williams showed them the workprint...

[Jal8919536]

Williams' animation is the only kind in the biz to be fluid in motion like computer animation, only this was done before that. How does he get them to move like that . . . ?

[maxime430]

many animators animate 12 frames per second but I've heard that Richard Williams always animate in 24 per seconds, that could explain why it's more fluid...

[Sant182]

I think it looks that way because he really plays with perspective, he gets the camera moving around and thats VERY hard to do in traditional animation, after doing 2,400 comercials and directed top notch animation for Roger Rabbit, which was very ahead of its time. He really got experience to do this. Stupid studio executives!

[Hipster29]

He started working on this film way before Who Framed Roger Rabbit, actually. The Thief and the Cobbler was his masterpiece side project that he worked on while working on other projects.

And yeah, Williams said in his books that he favors animating on 1's (24 fps) more than 2's (12 FPS), but it depends on certain factors.

[sangokyu]

This is the old workprint: Check out http://www.youtube.com/view_pl­ay_list?p=55EE5872FE454FBA for the full movie, restored!

[aznbandit355]

the videos are unavailable.

[electricNEON264]

what!?!?!?!@#$%^&

why?

[tedmaz]

do u know another place where we can watch this movie that not related to youtube

[VerySourLemon]

Try Google Video.

[Isaia]

Oh god this is awesome *w*

[DancingInVenice]

please upload more!!

the art is really stunning