nice video, but adrenal glands are just responding to the pituitary gland input. The Pituitary gland is the master gland and it tells all the other glands in the endocrine system what to do. I also thought i had adrenal glands issue, but found out i have a pituitary gland adenoma, which is secreting to much hormones and making my life a living hell.
My body doesnt produce any adrenallin or norradrenallin. I feel like I died from inside. I cant feel excited about things anymore, when something dangerous happen Im not affraid of it, and its horrible, I just sit there like a robot. Is that a sign that my adrenals are dead. I never feel allert, In morning or evenings I feel tired, and when I drink cofee or alcohol it doesnt work. It like Im sober forever. I have no libido as well. I dont know what is wrong with my boddy ); I also dont sweat
Okay I need someones help.... For the past few months I have been getting in cars (it mostly happens when I'm in a car) and I start to have a panic attack for no apparent reason. It's like my life is about to end I feel so hopeless and lost during these intense panic attacks.... Could it be because of Adrenal fatigue?
What about the Flight or Fight feeling ? I have this 12 times a day. Cortisol, angry, tears, goose bumpbs and stuff .... What do you think i should do ? I'm in Australia ...
Adrenal fatigue is one more excuse for people to whine and attribute laziness to some organic disease. Grow up and see the suffering around you!!!!!!!!!
I have a low thyroid and symptoms of thyroid but no symptoms of adrenal fatigue. No exhaustion. No stress. I always sleep awesome assuming I get 8-9 hours of sleep. I had a cortisol test along with my thyroid tests, and it was in normal range, a 7 on a range of 4 to about 33 or so. My doctor who is treating my low thyroid seems to think I have adrenal fatigue despite the symptoms, but I know myself better. Anyway, he gave me a support supplement containing wheat germ and soy, two things I avoid.
I was recently diagnosed with moderate to severe adrenal fatigue. I've slowly given up caffeine over the past month. Now I'm clean. Will be taking that saliva test to see which bio-identical hormones I'll need. Hoping to regain my zest for life! I posted this on my blog today (TheSkinnyOnline) so my readers can learn. Thank you!!
What were or are your symptoms? My doctor seems to think my low thyroid is caused by adrenal fatigue, perhaps. He also gave me iodine and Vitamin B12, also things necessary for thyroid. I think he threw the farm at me and hopes one will hit, in my opinion. I know myself best, and I never had any of these adrenal fatigue symptoms. Never exhausted. Never depressed. Always sleep well. Never anxious. Any thoughts?
My mother is diagnosed with addisons. when she gets stressed out or over exerts herself it is very apparent. Her memory dissapears, she slurs her words or doe not make sense of them. She is clumbsy. It is almost like taking care of a drunk toddler. She loses her cool when you try and help her. SHe never remembers the things that she says but this usually only lasts for a day or two in extreme cases. She is seeing endocinologist in virginia but I still dont quite understand it. it is scary to me
I have Addison's disease, and I would never treat it with herbs. I take cortisol replacement. My life has drastically improved since. Reducing your stress is key. People worry too much and drink too much caffeine.
Do you find it difficult to function on a daily basis being ADHD and Bi-Polar as you are, while trying to treat these conditions with herbs and other forms of naturopathic medicines?
Ms. Keenan you are totally correct. I know from first-hand experience, I am a girl and it was mild not really affecting my menstrual cycle but after taking a supplement from a local health food store and my pupils shrunk back from practically a permanent dilation to normal size. It is incredible! Nutrition is very important to health, it is a much healthier alternative to pharmaceuticals.
I wish more doctor would use videos like this to explain things. I know I high cortisol levels from blood and urine test and was told I was close to Cushings. BUT no treatment was oftered. I also have a hypoactive thyroid which my doctor checks with a blood test and says its okay even though I tell him it isn't. I read saliva is much more accurate. I hate when a doctor feels like your just a hypochondria.
Okay, I know the post that I'm responding to is from a year ago but, I want to say to anyone who watches this video the following: I'm reading a book and one of the doctors highlighted in it basically says that the word hypochondriac is overused. He goes on to say that nobody knows your body better than you do. My interpretation of the message is if the doctor tells you that you are fine when you know you're not, then seek out another doctor. You and I have to take control of our own health.
Indeed.. a widespread and poorly diagnosed condition which is extremely prevalant, especially in industrialized nations (and it will be more and more common in the future as we desperately try to outcompete each other in this mindless, consumer capitalistic world of ours).
And yet doctors deny it (damn big pharma and their greed driven mandates.. no money to be made, no diagnosis).
@ExtraDimensional There is no such thing as "adrenal fatigue" unless you have an adrenal disease. These people are trying to A. get you into their office B. buy their products. These people are treating you for things that you don't have by telling you that you have adrenal burnout or adrenal fatigue. It's simply impossible unless your adrenal glands are diseased, which can be VERY serious and would require that you visit an endocrinologist, which is a licensed medical doctor.
@ExtraDimensional This fake condition is not a matter of medical opinion. It's based on fact that it does NOT exist unless you have one of the adrenal diseases. This is a scam. Go look at the literature on it.
This is absolutely untrue. The adrenal glands operate under the same set of rules as all the other organs in the body. If someone claims that the adrenals either function fully ("normal" adrenal function), excessively (cushings syndrome) or don't function at all (addisons), he is ignoring the basic biochemistry of the human body. Subclinical adrenal insufficiency is a very real and prevalant condition, and it is mostly secondary in nature, due to insufficient ACTH signaling.
@ExtraDimensional No. Supplementing something like DHEA which is 2 steps away from testosterone, is silly in "adrenal fatigue". They also absolutely do not operate under any same set of any rules as any other organ of the body. If you're talking about Addisons or Cushings syndrome then yes those would be diseases and/or conditions where one would clinically be correct in diagnosing. What they do for "adrenal fatigue" is deal with Dehydroepiandrosterone. Doesn't need to be replaced. It's fake.
@XforeverlongingX You damn dumbass. First of all, supplementing with DHEA MAY not be a good idea, but it CAN be if a deficiency is detected via serum test. Besides, DHEA metabolizes into testosterone very marginally (if at all) Supplementing with pregnenolone, on the other hand, IS a good idea. The body synthesizes cortisol from pregnenolone in the adrenal glands. Prolonged periods of stress, poor nutrition etc can cause pregnenolone depletion, leading to low cortisol. This is clinically proven!
@ExtraDimensional We're not talking about low cortisol being something that is okay. I never once said that. THAT would be an issue, obviously. What is used to diagnose "adrenal fatigue" is DHEA. You don't need DHEA as a supplement. It's never been proven to work. At all. Again, you use "subclinical low cortisol" Very good. That's very cute. Throw your money away all you like on conditions that only exist in your mind.
@XforeverlongingX Used by whom? I never said it should be an exclusive diagnostic criteria. Cortisol is the critical hormone here. DHEA has its uses and benefits, but it takes a second place to cortisol.
FYI, I have never thrown away a single cent of my money to "treat a condtion that exists only in my mind". Hah, ironically you spoke the truth; the disease DOES exist primarily in the mind, or more specifically the pituitary. Again for the billionth time, the main culprit is LOW ACTH signaling
@ExtraDimensional Also, I'm quite surprised you suggested that a DHEA serum test is the one you want for a diagnosis. That's misinformed and cute as well. What you'd actually want through a blood test is a DHEA sulfate test.
@XforeverlongingX I know full well the difference between DHEA and DHEA sulfate, thank you very much. And I NEVER stated, implied or insinuated that any kind of DHEA test should be used to diagnose this problem, so don't put words into my mouth.
@ExtraDimensional Oh and by the way, I've been to a top osteopath and gotten the diagnosis of "adrenal fatigue" from him via dhea sulfate. :P Try again, I've given you many more than 3 strikes now so you should be kinder to me in your tenor.
@ExtraDimensional Also you should be aware, that the so called reliable testing via saliva to diagnose "adrenal fatigue" is sent to an alternative lab. An alternative lab has no parameters to abide by and that is why so many of them are being sued AS we argue!
And again you demonstrate your institutional arrogance; the fact that a lab is "alternative" doesn't make it any less valid. Besides, your precious mainstream cortisol serum tests are useless because they can easily produce a false negative result ("sufficient cortisol") even in patients on the threshold of total adrenal failure (addisons).
@XforeverlongingX Haha yourself. You clearly don't have a goddamn clue so do yourself a favor and stop posting right now. Your precious endos don't know shit, either; all they're good for is treating diabetes (if even than). Last time I saw an endo he got FSH and TSH mixed up, and claimed TSH is a thyroid hormone (it's a pituitary hormone, but you obviously wouldn't know that), And AGAIN, subclinical low cortisol is best treated with pregnenolone, which will correct insufficient ACTH signaling.
@ExtraDimensional "all they're good for is treating diabetes" Not true. There are a myriad of endocrinological disorders that are treated and treatable by endocrinologists. That's your first mistake. Second of all, "Last time I saw an endo he got FSH and TSH mixed up, and claimed TSH is a thyroid hormone" That's your personal experience...
@XforeverlongingX And yet their comprehension of the delicate hormonal homeostasis of the human body is universally poor, not counting the few endos who have actually taken time to study the matter in-depth. An osteopath or skilled anti-aging doctor is a much better bet if you want to improve your well-being and health.
And it's not just my personal experience, it is a universal consensus amongst people AND physicians who are actually on the cutting edge of hormonal treatment.
@ExtraDimensional An osteopath is not a skilled doctor. Don't even try that one. It's entirely your personal experience to buy into fraud to literally buy yourself a diagnosis for things you don't have. "it is a universal consensus amongst people AND physicians who are actually on the cutting edge of hormonal treatment." Nonsense.
@XforeverlongingX Really now? Ever heard of Dr. John Crisler, DO? One of the most respected doctors in the field? He happens to be an osteopath and his knowledge and practical application of hormones surpasses any endo by a million miles.
Your replies reek of institutional, mainstream arrogance with zero science to back them up. You know what's wrong with mainstream medicine? It is largely funded and driven by big pharma interests. The patient's well-being and functioning is nearly irrelevant.
@ExtraDimensional No one claimed that every doctor (real doctor) on the planet is qualified. What I bet really happened was you asked about synthroid. Then he said it's a thyroid hormone. That is probably what REALLY happened.
@XforeverlongingX Bullshit. I know exactly what I asked, and what his answer was. And he was the third endo I've seen; ALL of whom disappointed me. When I corrected his critical mistake, he practically ushered me out of his office.
I've heard dozens and dozens of similar stories from people. Endos are NOT good doctors when it comes to hormonal manipulation, again, perhaps excepting diabetes.
@ExtraDimensional "I've heard dozens and dozens of similar stories from people. Endos are NOT good doctors when it comes to hormonal manipulation" What do you call the treatment of graves disease, hypothyroidism, hashimoto's disease, and addison's disease?
@ExtraDimensional I did know that also, I never assumed that something being a thyroid stimulating hormone would be a thyroid hormone. Hence the "stimulating" part of it. I'm sorry sir, your answer and argument are jibberish.
@XforeverlongingX You have yet to address my comments on pregnenolone supplementation to correct insufficient cortisol metabolism - hence I must conclude you are pretty damn far from the cutting edge. Preg will also correct insufficient ACTH signaling over time, which may be the result of stress, poor nutrition, aging, or a combination thereof. It is a scientifically established FACT that ACTH output dims with age. Serum cortisol readings are useless for determining actual cortisol metabolism.
@ExtraDimensional Lol insufficient cortisol metabolism is not adrenal fatigue my friend. That's not at all how the diagnosis works. The diagnosis uses DHEA sulfate to determine whether someone has "adrenal fatigue" or not. The adrenals dont simply stop working or strain and produce less cortisol. That would only happen in the case where a disease is present. If anything, cortisol goes higher when the patient is under severe stress and anxiety. Sorry, try again.
@XforeverlongingX Bullshit. the proper term for it would be insufficient cortisol metabolism, but I am not in the position to correct the established term. And I don't know where you get this from.. only a small minority of doctors diagnose adrenal fatigue via DHEA sulfate alone, and that is an incomplete approach.
The adrenals may be damaged by stress, but the most likely cause is stress related ACTH downregulation, causing reduced downstream metabolites, including cortisol.
@ExtraDimensional You insist on discussing Pregnenolone. They are saying practically the same things, or have said, about DHEA. In one study they thought that DHEA induced remission for 90% of crohn's disease patients. Does that mean it has any involvement or any real proof backing it as some kind of reliable means of treating an IBD like a corticosteroid would? Ofcourse not. What happens is a lot of the times it's psychological or hysteria that makes people seek the fountain of youth.
@XforeverlongingX And you keep dodging my question. DHEA and pregnenolone function VERY differently. Pregnenolone is a critical precursor hormone, and in times of stress, inadequate nutrition etc, the body can enter a state known as pregnenolone steal. The letter limit prevents me from explaining in to you fully, but again, this is a clinically proven fact. It has nothing whatsoever to do with hysteria or a psychological phenomenon.
@ExtraDimensional I'd love to see said evidence. Clinical evidence proving this as indisputable fact :"Preg will also correct insufficient ACTH signaling over time" and this, I must say, was thrown into your unlettered argument for... what reason? "It is a scientifically established FACT that ACTH output dims with age"
@XforeverlongingX Now you're just resorting to weak ad hominem attacks to discredit me. "Poorly lettered",, nice try. How about you watch the video lecture by Dr Mark Gordon, one of the top anti-aging docs in the US, that explains the use of pregnenolone to correct cortisol metabolism? But then again, you have all the hallmarks of a wilful ignorant person and you probably wouldn't grasp the concepts, anyway.
@ExtraDimensional You CANNOT confuse an insufficiency or a complete failure with adrenal fatigue. THAT is what we're talking about. Don't throw words around when you don't know their meaning. They are not synonymous
@XforeverlongingX Again you're putting words into my mouth. I know damn well the difference between full adrenal failure and the condition known as adrenal fatigue. Christ, I feel like I'm being patronized by a little child whose ego has run far afield of his actual medical knowledge.
"Adrenal fatigue" can be a misleading term, but it is not my task to correct anyone on that. Whatever term you wish to use, subclinical adrenal hormone insufficiency (most often cortisol) is a real phenomenon.
@ExtraDimensional "And yet doctors deny it (damn big pharma and their greed driven mandates.. no money to be made, no diagnosis)." If that were true about greed then they'd bottle up pills to sell for such a diagnosis. Don't be so silly. You're buying into the story that naturopaths nutritionists chiropractors and thieves want you to so that you can buy their nonsense concoctions. Isnt it funny how only the medically unqualified are all of a sudden the only ones qualified to treat you? :)
@ExtraDimensional If you're having the symptoms in this video, you're probably clinically depressed. Go get help and stop wasting your money on "doctors" who will tell you ANYTHING to get your money.
@XforeverlongingX Clinically depressed? Ahahahahah!! :DD I NEVER said I had depressive symptoms, so shut your mouth. You're nothing more than a Big Pharma brainwashed drone, that is becoming more and more obvious. People like you are automatons, and you make me sick! Next thing you'll probably suggest I take antidepressants, when there has NEVER been a single study demonstrating that all depressed people have low serotonin levels.
@ExtraDimensional I certainly hope by the way that you aren't using the diagnosis of adrenal fatigue nonsense with adrenal failure. That is a completely different thing. There is a HUGE difference. One is in your mind and the other could have serious consequences if left untreated.
It is not only a Modern society disease, it has just been ignored by the medical society, as it is too expensive to look into..............that is the saddest fact. I have Addisons too, but it took 3 years to diagose and my partner and myself demanding test after test, videos like this are what we rely on for information....thank you Dr Keenan,
nice video, but adrenal glands are just responding to the pituitary gland input. The Pituitary gland is the master gland and it tells all the other glands in the endocrine system what to do. I also thought i had adrenal glands issue, but found out i have a pituitary gland adenoma, which is secreting to much hormones and making my life a living hell.
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My body doesnt produce any adrenallin or norradrenallin. I feel like I died from inside. I cant feel excited about things anymore, when something dangerous happen Im not affraid of it, and its horrible, I just sit there like a robot. Is that a sign that my adrenals are dead. I never feel allert, In morning or evenings I feel tired, and when I drink cofee or alcohol it doesnt work. It like Im sober forever. I have no libido as well. I dont know what is wrong with my boddy ); I also dont sweat
TheChembalin 3 months ago
Okay I need someones help.... For the past few months I have been getting in cars (it mostly happens when I'm in a car) and I start to have a panic attack for no apparent reason. It's like my life is about to end I feel so hopeless and lost during these intense panic attacks.... Could it be because of Adrenal fatigue?
sXeish 4 months ago
This video is SO important!!!! Thank you so much Dr. Keenan!
winterpoetry 7 months ago
This is what I've been testing for.
pprimalPerformance 8 months ago
wow I finally found my problem...
TheResearch4life 10 months ago
What about the Flight or Fight feeling ? I have this 12 times a day. Cortisol, angry, tears, goose bumpbs and stuff .... What do you think i should do ? I'm in Australia ...
ThePhantomLash 10 months ago
What a nice looking lovely lady!
8bobthebuilder 1 year ago
What a farce. Yes, try my snake oil remedy !
Lincolnson5 1 year ago
Build something good and lasting !!!!!
Instead of wallowing in self pity and indulgence.
Lincolnson5 1 year ago
Adrenal fatigue is one more excuse for people to whine and attribute laziness to some organic disease. Grow up and see the suffering around you!!!!!!!!!
Lincolnson5 1 year ago
Yes. My periods have start and stopped for years.
VMARIE20 1 year ago
Any thoughts, anyone?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
I have a low thyroid and symptoms of thyroid but no symptoms of adrenal fatigue. No exhaustion. No stress. I always sleep awesome assuming I get 8-9 hours of sleep. I had a cortisol test along with my thyroid tests, and it was in normal range, a 7 on a range of 4 to about 33 or so. My doctor who is treating my low thyroid seems to think I have adrenal fatigue despite the symptoms, but I know myself better. Anyway, he gave me a support supplement containing wheat germ and soy, two things I avoid.
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
I was recently diagnosed with moderate to severe adrenal fatigue. I've slowly given up caffeine over the past month. Now I'm clean. Will be taking that saliva test to see which bio-identical hormones I'll need. Hoping to regain my zest for life! I posted this on my blog today (TheSkinnyOnline) so my readers can learn. Thank you!!
belovedideas 2 years ago
What were or are your symptoms? My doctor seems to think my low thyroid is caused by adrenal fatigue, perhaps. He also gave me iodine and Vitamin B12, also things necessary for thyroid. I think he threw the farm at me and hopes one will hit, in my opinion. I know myself best, and I never had any of these adrenal fatigue symptoms. Never exhausted. Never depressed. Always sleep well. Never anxious. Any thoughts?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
@belovedideas No such thing as adrenal fatigue. They are stealing your money and giving you false diagnoses
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
thank you for the info!!
rccola8282 2 years ago
thanks for the video. good info. :)
VenusAsABoyFilms 2 years ago
My mother is diagnosed with addisons. when she gets stressed out or over exerts herself it is very apparent. Her memory dissapears, she slurs her words or doe not make sense of them. She is clumbsy. It is almost like taking care of a drunk toddler. She loses her cool when you try and help her. SHe never remembers the things that she says but this usually only lasts for a day or two in extreme cases. She is seeing endocinologist in virginia but I still dont quite understand it. it is scary to me
OrangeOutlaw777 2 years ago
woah 1:02 crazy
greencity127 3 years ago
thanks for this video
taniaaust1 3 years ago 3
I have Addison's disease, and I would never treat it with herbs. I take cortisol replacement. My life has drastically improved since. Reducing your stress is key. People worry too much and drink too much caffeine.
wendyraustin 3 years ago
Do you find it difficult to function on a daily basis being ADHD and Bi-Polar as you are, while trying to treat these conditions with herbs and other forms of naturopathic medicines?
jman82768 3 years ago
Ms. Keenan you are totally correct. I know from first-hand experience, I am a girl and it was mild not really affecting my menstrual cycle but after taking a supplement from a local health food store and my pupils shrunk back from practically a permanent dilation to normal size. It is incredible! Nutrition is very important to health, it is a much healthier alternative to pharmaceuticals.
accebere 3 years ago
lol
greencity127 3 years ago
I wish more doctor would use videos like this to explain things. I know I high cortisol levels from blood and urine test and was told I was close to Cushings. BUT no treatment was oftered. I also have a hypoactive thyroid which my doctor checks with a blood test and says its okay even though I tell him it isn't. I read saliva is much more accurate. I hate when a doctor feels like your just a hypochondria.
whelkay 4 years ago
Okay, I know the post that I'm responding to is from a year ago but, I want to say to anyone who watches this video the following: I'm reading a book and one of the doctors highlighted in it basically says that the word hypochondriac is overused. He goes on to say that nobody knows your body better than you do. My interpretation of the message is if the doctor tells you that you are fine when you know you're not, then seek out another doctor. You and I have to take control of our own health.
gfoote32 3 years ago 3
rite
greencity127 3 years ago
100% true. very well put
dionstrezlecki 2 years ago
a condition that is quite widespread in modern society
thanks
jrt2009 4 years ago
Indeed.. a widespread and poorly diagnosed condition which is extremely prevalant, especially in industrialized nations (and it will be more and more common in the future as we desperately try to outcompete each other in this mindless, consumer capitalistic world of ours).
And yet doctors deny it (damn big pharma and their greed driven mandates.. no money to be made, no diagnosis).
ExtraDimensional 4 years ago 7
@ExtraDimensional There is no such thing as "adrenal fatigue" unless you have an adrenal disease. These people are trying to A. get you into their office B. buy their products. These people are treating you for things that you don't have by telling you that you have adrenal burnout or adrenal fatigue. It's simply impossible unless your adrenal glands are diseased, which can be VERY serious and would require that you visit an endocrinologist, which is a licensed medical doctor.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional This fake condition is not a matter of medical opinion. It's based on fact that it does NOT exist unless you have one of the adrenal diseases. This is a scam. Go look at the literature on it.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX
This is absolutely untrue. The adrenal glands operate under the same set of rules as all the other organs in the body. If someone claims that the adrenals either function fully ("normal" adrenal function), excessively (cushings syndrome) or don't function at all (addisons), he is ignoring the basic biochemistry of the human body. Subclinical adrenal insufficiency is a very real and prevalant condition, and it is mostly secondary in nature, due to insufficient ACTH signaling.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional No. Supplementing something like DHEA which is 2 steps away from testosterone, is silly in "adrenal fatigue". They also absolutely do not operate under any same set of any rules as any other organ of the body. If you're talking about Addisons or Cushings syndrome then yes those would be diseases and/or conditions where one would clinically be correct in diagnosing. What they do for "adrenal fatigue" is deal with Dehydroepiandrosterone. Doesn't need to be replaced. It's fake.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX You damn dumbass. First of all, supplementing with DHEA MAY not be a good idea, but it CAN be if a deficiency is detected via serum test. Besides, DHEA metabolizes into testosterone very marginally (if at all) Supplementing with pregnenolone, on the other hand, IS a good idea. The body synthesizes cortisol from pregnenolone in the adrenal glands. Prolonged periods of stress, poor nutrition etc can cause pregnenolone depletion, leading to low cortisol. This is clinically proven!
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional We're not talking about low cortisol being something that is okay. I never once said that. THAT would be an issue, obviously. What is used to diagnose "adrenal fatigue" is DHEA. You don't need DHEA as a supplement. It's never been proven to work. At all. Again, you use "subclinical low cortisol" Very good. That's very cute. Throw your money away all you like on conditions that only exist in your mind.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Used by whom? I never said it should be an exclusive diagnostic criteria. Cortisol is the critical hormone here. DHEA has its uses and benefits, but it takes a second place to cortisol.
FYI, I have never thrown away a single cent of my money to "treat a condtion that exists only in my mind". Hah, ironically you spoke the truth; the disease DOES exist primarily in the mind, or more specifically the pituitary. Again for the billionth time, the main culprit is LOW ACTH signaling
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional Also, I'm quite surprised you suggested that a DHEA serum test is the one you want for a diagnosis. That's misinformed and cute as well. What you'd actually want through a blood test is a DHEA sulfate test.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX I know full well the difference between DHEA and DHEA sulfate, thank you very much. And I NEVER stated, implied or insinuated that any kind of DHEA test should be used to diagnose this problem, so don't put words into my mouth.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional Oh and by the way, I've been to a top osteopath and gotten the diagnosis of "adrenal fatigue" from him via dhea sulfate. :P Try again, I've given you many more than 3 strikes now so you should be kinder to me in your tenor.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional Also you should be aware, that the so called reliable testing via saliva to diagnose "adrenal fatigue" is sent to an alternative lab. An alternative lab has no parameters to abide by and that is why so many of them are being sued AS we argue!
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX @XforeverlongingX I consider 24 h urinary testing to be the most reliable marker for cortisol metabolism.
And again you demonstrate your institutional arrogance; the fact that a lab is "alternative" doesn't make it any less valid. Besides, your precious mainstream cortisol serum tests are useless because they can easily produce a false negative result ("sufficient cortisol") even in patients on the threshold of total adrenal failure (addisons).
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional Also look at the history of alternative labs, they change names to avoid people catching onto their nonsense.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional Even a naturopath would correct ya on that one :P
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional "Subclinical adrenal insufficiency " Haha I love that you even wrote that nonsense. Very good, lol, nice try.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Haha yourself. You clearly don't have a goddamn clue so do yourself a favor and stop posting right now. Your precious endos don't know shit, either; all they're good for is treating diabetes (if even than). Last time I saw an endo he got FSH and TSH mixed up, and claimed TSH is a thyroid hormone (it's a pituitary hormone, but you obviously wouldn't know that), And AGAIN, subclinical low cortisol is best treated with pregnenolone, which will correct insufficient ACTH signaling.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional "all they're good for is treating diabetes" Not true. There are a myriad of endocrinological disorders that are treated and treatable by endocrinologists. That's your first mistake. Second of all, "Last time I saw an endo he got FSH and TSH mixed up, and claimed TSH is a thyroid hormone" That's your personal experience...
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX And yet their comprehension of the delicate hormonal homeostasis of the human body is universally poor, not counting the few endos who have actually taken time to study the matter in-depth. An osteopath or skilled anti-aging doctor is a much better bet if you want to improve your well-being and health.
And it's not just my personal experience, it is a universal consensus amongst people AND physicians who are actually on the cutting edge of hormonal treatment.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional An osteopath is not a skilled doctor. Don't even try that one. It's entirely your personal experience to buy into fraud to literally buy yourself a diagnosis for things you don't have. "it is a universal consensus amongst people AND physicians who are actually on the cutting edge of hormonal treatment." Nonsense.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Really now? Ever heard of Dr. John Crisler, DO? One of the most respected doctors in the field? He happens to be an osteopath and his knowledge and practical application of hormones surpasses any endo by a million miles.
Your replies reek of institutional, mainstream arrogance with zero science to back them up. You know what's wrong with mainstream medicine? It is largely funded and driven by big pharma interests. The patient's well-being and functioning is nearly irrelevant.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional No one claimed that every doctor (real doctor) on the planet is qualified. What I bet really happened was you asked about synthroid. Then he said it's a thyroid hormone. That is probably what REALLY happened.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Bullshit. I know exactly what I asked, and what his answer was. And he was the third endo I've seen; ALL of whom disappointed me. When I corrected his critical mistake, he practically ushered me out of his office.
I've heard dozens and dozens of similar stories from people. Endos are NOT good doctors when it comes to hormonal manipulation, again, perhaps excepting diabetes.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
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@ExtraDimensional "I've heard dozens and dozens of similar stories from people. Endos are NOT good doctors when it comes to hormonal manipulation" What do you call the treatment of graves disease, hypothyroidism, hashimoto's disease, and addison's disease?
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional I did know that also, I never assumed that something being a thyroid stimulating hormone would be a thyroid hormone. Hence the "stimulating" part of it. I'm sorry sir, your answer and argument are jibberish.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX You have yet to address my comments on pregnenolone supplementation to correct insufficient cortisol metabolism - hence I must conclude you are pretty damn far from the cutting edge. Preg will also correct insufficient ACTH signaling over time, which may be the result of stress, poor nutrition, aging, or a combination thereof. It is a scientifically established FACT that ACTH output dims with age. Serum cortisol readings are useless for determining actual cortisol metabolism.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional Lol insufficient cortisol metabolism is not adrenal fatigue my friend. That's not at all how the diagnosis works. The diagnosis uses DHEA sulfate to determine whether someone has "adrenal fatigue" or not. The adrenals dont simply stop working or strain and produce less cortisol. That would only happen in the case where a disease is present. If anything, cortisol goes higher when the patient is under severe stress and anxiety. Sorry, try again.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Bullshit. the proper term for it would be insufficient cortisol metabolism, but I am not in the position to correct the established term. And I don't know where you get this from.. only a small minority of doctors diagnose adrenal fatigue via DHEA sulfate alone, and that is an incomplete approach.
The adrenals may be damaged by stress, but the most likely cause is stress related ACTH downregulation, causing reduced downstream metabolites, including cortisol.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional You insist on discussing Pregnenolone. They are saying practically the same things, or have said, about DHEA. In one study they thought that DHEA induced remission for 90% of crohn's disease patients. Does that mean it has any involvement or any real proof backing it as some kind of reliable means of treating an IBD like a corticosteroid would? Ofcourse not. What happens is a lot of the times it's psychological or hysteria that makes people seek the fountain of youth.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX And you keep dodging my question. DHEA and pregnenolone function VERY differently. Pregnenolone is a critical precursor hormone, and in times of stress, inadequate nutrition etc, the body can enter a state known as pregnenolone steal. The letter limit prevents me from explaining in to you fully, but again, this is a clinically proven fact. It has nothing whatsoever to do with hysteria or a psychological phenomenon.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional I'd love to see said evidence. Clinical evidence proving this as indisputable fact :"Preg will also correct insufficient ACTH signaling over time" and this, I must say, was thrown into your unlettered argument for... what reason? "It is a scientifically established FACT that ACTH output dims with age"
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Now you're just resorting to weak ad hominem attacks to discredit me. "Poorly lettered",, nice try. How about you watch the video lecture by Dr Mark Gordon, one of the top anti-aging docs in the US, that explains the use of pregnenolone to correct cortisol metabolism? But then again, you have all the hallmarks of a wilful ignorant person and you probably wouldn't grasp the concepts, anyway.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional You CANNOT confuse an insufficiency or a complete failure with adrenal fatigue. THAT is what we're talking about. Don't throw words around when you don't know their meaning. They are not synonymous
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Again you're putting words into my mouth. I know damn well the difference between full adrenal failure and the condition known as adrenal fatigue. Christ, I feel like I'm being patronized by a little child whose ego has run far afield of his actual medical knowledge.
"Adrenal fatigue" can be a misleading term, but it is not my task to correct anyone on that. Whatever term you wish to use, subclinical adrenal hormone insufficiency (most often cortisol) is a real phenomenon.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional "And yet doctors deny it (damn big pharma and their greed driven mandates.. no money to be made, no diagnosis)." If that were true about greed then they'd bottle up pills to sell for such a diagnosis. Don't be so silly. You're buying into the story that naturopaths nutritionists chiropractors and thieves want you to so that you can buy their nonsense concoctions. Isnt it funny how only the medically unqualified are all of a sudden the only ones qualified to treat you? :)
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional If you're having the symptoms in this video, you're probably clinically depressed. Go get help and stop wasting your money on "doctors" who will tell you ANYTHING to get your money.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX Clinically depressed? Ahahahahah!! :DD I NEVER said I had depressive symptoms, so shut your mouth. You're nothing more than a Big Pharma brainwashed drone, that is becoming more and more obvious. People like you are automatons, and you make me sick! Next thing you'll probably suggest I take antidepressants, when there has NEVER been a single study demonstrating that all depressed people have low serotonin levels.
ExtraDimensional 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional I certainly hope by the way that you aren't using the diagnosis of adrenal fatigue nonsense with adrenal failure. That is a completely different thing. There is a HUGE difference. One is in your mind and the other could have serious consequences if left untreated.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@ExtraDimensional **that you aren't confusing* rather, the diagnoses.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
It is not only a Modern society disease, it has just been ignored by the medical society, as it is too expensive to look into..............that is the saddest fact. I have Addisons too, but it took 3 years to diagose and my partner and myself demanding test after test, videos like this are what we rely on for information....thank you Dr Keenan,
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