Some trinitarians tells people that if you don't believe in the trinity you are going to hell. To that I say "what". If that was true then for thousands of years before Christ EVERYONE went to hell(including Moses, Jacob, Abraham)? If the trinity was a revelation why did it take hundreds of years to form it. Remember in 325 it still was far from finished.
The belief in the trinity biblically doesn't appear one way or the other for salvation.
Whether or not the baptismal formula in Matthew 28.19 is original or not, God still works miracles through Trinitarian Christians, so He can't be THAT angry with us.! Not like some Muslims say, that we'll all be crying in the pit of fire because our idea of God's oneness (three yet one, like HO2 is liquid,ice and steam yet the same) differs from theirs.
The Three who spoke to Abraham was the Holy Trinity The Hebrews refferred to the Spirit and Lord and Most High and in the begginning Gid created Man-Womans and child in "Our Image" multiple person Man loves the woman woman loves the man the love between the man and woman is a child=life....The Father loves the Son and the Son the Father ang begots the Holy Spirit The Law The Giver of you know nothing of God
With all do respect to this channel, I have been a student of the word for over 20 years with a PhD in Biblcal Studied and a ThD and I have to say, from the language of the Hebrew and Greek, the teaching of the triune nature of God is correct and is truth. I challenge anyone who knows either language to discuss the issue from both languages.
Plain and simple the trinity is a false doctrine our Creator is not a author of confusion and if you believe in the trinity you are stating that the bible contradicts itself . 1 John 5:7 is a fabricated verse ,the baptismal formula was changed by the Catholic church who open admit it, and the messiah clearly said that his father was greater than himself and that he received the gift of the holy spirit from his father and to finish this off the name Jesus is a false name for the messiah
Problem The Shema has three names of God in the first verse with three parts while Jewish people pray with three fingers making the Hebrew character Shin. The second principle of Judaism is God of unparrallel unity. Jesus said Father forsaken him in Matthew 27:46. Either Jesus is God on the cross paying for our sins while the Father forsaken him in action or what is false? The concept of the Trinity is the Bible. What do most mesanic Jews believe in the Triniy?
The fact that the Jews pray with three fingers does not prove that the trinity exists or other wise God would of stated some where in an explicit form that He is three persons but He does not !Show me where God says He is one in UNITY and not one in NUMBER!When Jesus says that God had forsaken Him He was fulfilling the function of the goat that is abbandoned in the desert in the day of atonement.(Lev.16:22) to fulfill all righteousness and the law.The messianic Jews are forced to accept it.
@neronei Genesis 1:26, Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5 all speak to God being a complex one. God is an unique one or a simple one would be common. From a Jewish web 2. The belief in G-d's absolute and unparalleled unity.Jew for Jesus believe why? God say it indirectly and direct. Genesis 1:26 says us and our. 1 John 5 three are one. Jesus says he is in the Father and Father is in him. In Genesis he uses Elohim which is Gods, but is used with a singular verb in Hebrew. Why?
Yes maybe you have not seen the video and the purpose of puttin it up Mat.28:19 is a falsification seeing that Eusebius who was a wittness to the Council of Nicea quotes that same verse in a very differnet way that has nothing to do with baptism so it means it was falisified after.1John 5:7 is an Historical falsification admited by Eramus of Roterdam who was the editor of the latin vulgate. According to the gloden rule in 2Cor.13:1 these are false you have to only read their contexts.
@neronei Jesus said the Father forsaken him in Matthew 27:46, then the Father forsaken him, Jesus said I am, so he is God and he has to know. With men many things have been corrupted, that is why I when to Judaism for answers about Christianity. God is a one, but he is not simple one. Jesus said in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, He defines God not you or me. He could have me or myself.
@neronei The second principle of Judaism is the Shema or D 6:4 Why would they write that? What is the purpose? God wrote the Bible so there must be a purpose. God also use the word Elohim which is Gods in Hebrew, but he uses with a singular verb when talking about himself. He could have use the singlur version in Hebrew El. Over 2000 times he uses Elohim Hebrew word over the 200 singular version What is he communicating? Ask a Rabbi about El and Elohim. Check out Jews for Jesus.
ELOHIM expresses the plurailty as Creator of all things as it states in Eph.4:6 that He is all in all, therefore He can as a singular Creator of all things express Himself as the plurality of all. BUT HE IS ONE PERSON, BEING and above all ONE GOD !!! Eph.4:4
He says to Moses that His Name is "I AM whom I AM" (singular) and not "WE ARE whom WE ARE" Ex.3:14
@neronei There is an issue with your answer. Number 23:19 God is a not man, so I will not define him as a man. Jesus was God in flesh. Isaiah 6:8 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “ Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.” The God/Lord said Genesis 1:26, Isaish 6:8, express him with plurality many times, Jesus say it, 1 John 5 states it, and then in this verse he use Adonai in singular tense to speak. God is a unique one not a simple one.
Our universe is revealed to us through the Holy Spirit of Yeshua Jesus as States in Rom.16:25-26 so there is no more mystery in Christ. If there is it means you are nopt following the Spirit of God that teaches us the profound deep things of GOD 1Cor2:11; Jer.33:3 !!! What Spirit have you received?
Trinity is a unique doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Remember,
he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in PARABLES, so that ‘seeing they may not SEE , and hearing they may not UNDERSTAND.
Do not forget that catolic church added other verses to fit trinity doctrine.
WOULD YOU RATHER BELIEVE OTHER ....INSTEAD OF THE "WORD OF GOD"I believe in the TRINITY ... as Father, Son , Holy Spirit ...IS ONE . ARE you who call yourself a child of "God ... PART of ONE BODY ...the Body of Christ ...ONE !
The fact that Christ prayed to a higher being (Matt 26:39, Luke 6:12) is sufficient proof that he is NOT God as God doesn’t indulge in doing prayers.
Jesus is NOT the only son of God as God has sons by the tons (Gen 6:2, 4; Exodus 4:22 ; Jeremiah 31:9; Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7).
And being son of God DOESN’T make Jesus part of the Godhead but merely as God’s righteous servant (Abdullah in Arabic) as attested in Mark 15:39 c.f. Luke 23:47 as well as Acts 3:13 , 26; 4:27 , 30.
the trinity is false! if jesus and god were equal then how come at john 5.19 jesus said the son(himself)could do NOTHING on his own initivave but only what the father does.also at matthew 28.18 jesus said that all authority has been GIVEN me..if he was the almity god then HOW COME HE DIDNT HAVE IT BEFORE AND WHO GAVE IT TO HIM.also at matthew 24.36 jesus said nobody nos the day nor the angels nor the son but ONLY THE FATHER..if they were equal wudnt the son no as well?
The Trinity doctrine is false and the "Onesness" doctrine is false also. There is only one explanation for Elohim, and that is "Binitarianism" or "twoness" doctrine. There is no doubt of the Godhead if one looks closely enough, since in the beginning was the "Word" and the Word was Elohim and the Word became flesh. Notice that Yahusha prayed to Yahuah the Father. One does not pray to himself asking himself to remove something. Let me know if you have any questions concerning this.Thanks,777denny
When 1 is immersed in repentance (Acts13:24) turning away from sin & turning toward Father thru faith in His Son. But there’s only 1 baptism(Eph 4:5).How could there be 3?If in Eph 4:5 “1 Lord”,how is there 3? If God, 3 in 1, immerses our nature,also 3 in 1, wouldn’t the process also be 3 in 1 immersing us into all 3 persons? Mt 28:19,“baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, unity is preserved when discussing salvations’ link to baptism (1Pet3:21).
The Trinity & baptism are central. We’re made in God’s triune image –body, soul & spirit. Baptism, not just bodily immersion into H2O, but immersion of our entire triune being into the Triune God. With Acts 2:38;,8:16 & Gal 3:27 it’s clear water baptism most specifically identifies with Jesus. With Acts 1:5,10:47,11:16,1cor12:13 immersion & filling is with the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit only comes into repentant hearts (Act 2:37).
This is what happens to all of us when we are born into this world system, that is that the world dictates to us what God is(Col.2:8).In reality it is satan masquerading as God (Isa 14:13-14). and he wants you to understand that God has to divide Himself into 3 to defeat 1 fallen cherubim. I DON?T THINK SO !!!! So to justify these lies he has to cheat and add other lies in verses to the bible to confuses further.Those that are purposely blind follow all this and try to enforced it to others.
@RudeAwakning ALL THESE SCRIPTURES WERE ADDED by MEN that have deliberately changed or added complete verses. John 5:4, Acts 8:37, 1 John 5:7, Mark 16:9-20, Mark 16:9-20, Matthew 28:19
1 JOHN 5:7 (King James) THIS VERSE WAS ADDED to support the wicked "TRINITY" doctrine:
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
MATTHEW was written in Hebrew, not Greek! JESUS chose Hebrew disciples! JEWS learn Hebrew first, then others!
Papias, (A.D. 80-155) said MATTHEW compiled the sayings (Logia) of Jesus, in Hebrew! But that writing was later LOST, for no such version exists today.
The First Gospel, most certainly, was penned by Matthew in HEBREW, Then later translated into Greek, and the Greek manuscripts have survived until today. Matthew’s logia "sayings of Jesus", did not survive, but his Gospel did.
hmm I wonder why MEN destroyed Matthews sayings of JESUS. I wonder why! Perhaps it killed the Trinity for good! LOL
Matthew's logia, of Papias, were a collection of sayings by Jesus, which Matthew collected and published in Hebrew. In course of time, in the hands of the church, this nucleus received many additions, but these were not made by Matthew. Eventually this expanded Hebrew or Aramaic original was translated into Greek by some unknown writer and was at once accepted by the church without a single dissenting or questioning voice as "the Gospel according to Matthew," on a par with the other Gospels. WOW
When Bible Scholars begin to reason, do they even consider the fact that MATTHEW is a Hebrew Man, A Jew? Jewish children are taught Hebrew first, then Aramaic and other languages. However, lets say Matthew suddenly learned Greek at the day of Pentecost, and Yahweh granted Matthew the ability to read, write and speak Greek. That's can be true! BUT JESUS read and wrote Hebrew as well, because he read from the Hebrew scrolls at the synagogue. Matthew also read and wrote Hebrew, because He's a JEW.
Matthew was compelled to teach the Hebrews of Jerusalem and Israel. PETER, leader boy, distributed the disciples in every direction, making sure that they penned their works in HEBREW, and translated them into Aramaic and Greek. Translators were aplenty in those days! Don't forget the Day of Pentecost when the spirit of YAHWEH caused them all to speak other languages! Got Translators? LOL YEAH, It's only Obvious that somebody BURNED the Originals during all those wars and crusades. THINK people!
Man, It's not rocket science. The Original manuscripts were penned in Hebrew, because All the disciples were Hebrew. But Father YAHWEH knew they needed translators, so He sent His power down to the upper room and gave all of the Disciples, Jesus' mother & family and Others the gift to speak , read & write Aramaic, Greek, Italian latin, Etc. And that is how Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Thomas were able to translate their manuscripts into different languages. HEBREWS needed the Gospel to! THINK.
Greek manuscripts-about 300 existing Greek manuscripts contain the book of I John. Of these manuscripts, only 4 (manuscript numbers 61, 629, 918, 2318) contain the disputed words of v.7. All four are very late manuscripts (16th, 14th or 15th, 16th, and 18th centuries A.D. respectively); NONE gives the Greek text exactly as it appears in printed Greek NTs, and All 4 manuscripts give clear evidence that these words were translated into Greek from LATIN.
Four additional manuscripts (88, 12th century; 221, 10th; 429, 16th; 636, 15th) have the disputed words copied in the margin by much later writers.
Ancient writers: No Greek-speaking Christian writer before the year 1215 A.D. shows any knowledge of the disputed words of 1 JOHN 5:7. Not once are these words quoted in the great controversy with the Arians (over the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity) in the 3rd and 4th centuries;
in the 3rd and 4th centuries; they certainly would have been quoted if they had existed in any Greek manuscript of that period.
The disputed words are quoted as Scripture only by Latin-speaking writers, and only after the middle of the 5th century A.D.
LATINS ARE CATHOLICS!
Ancient translations: The disputed words ARE NOT FOUND in any of the ancient translations of the NT made in the 2nd-10th centuries A.D.--Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Gothic, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavic--EXCEPT IN LATIN.
The CATHOLICS wanted their "Trinity doctrine" by all mean necessary.
Their Latin translators inserted the words of 1 JOHN 5:7, found in some manuscripts (but not the earliest) of the Old Latin version, and in many manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate (but not the earliest).
Conclusion: The EVIDENCE of every kind is consistent and clear: The disputed words of I John 5:7 have no claim as an original part of John's letter, but were introduced into Greek from Latin in the very late Middle Ages. WOW!
I will make a complete video to expose this entire FALSIFIED "Trinity" verse at 1 JOHN 5:7. All Bible Scholars agree that 1 John 5:7 is completely falsified and it was deliberately inserted by a Latin scribe working for the Latin Catholic Vatican powers that be. The majority of Greek manuscripts do not have verse 7. IT is not the Word of YAHWEH, nor was IT inspired by the holy spirit, nor driven by a righteous Man.
NAY, the Trinity of SATAN will remain Satan's forever in the deepest Abyss.
@upNyaBizznizz I thought the new testament was in Greek? But I know all that trinity garbage is made up! It is pagan in origin, it is about as true as Sunday is Holy! NOT!
@RudeAwakning The disciple Matthew wrote two books in Hebrew, 'The Gospel according to Matthew' and the "sayings (logia) of Jesus ", but that book was mysteriously LOST. Papias viewed it with his own eyes and IT was sent to get translated from Hebrew scribes, but IT vanished for some reason. IT suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth! I guarantee that IT did not gel well with the "Trinity program" of Rome's Pagan Vatican agenda to doctrinate the world with the wicked Trinity deception.
@RudeAwakning Yes, most found manuscripts were in the Greek language. Don't forget that people back then knew a few languages and translators existed back then. Imagine the disciples writing their pages sitting at a table. They had translators doing the ones in Greek and Aramaic to spread the good news. After all that is what JESUS commanded them to do! Do you think they only wrote the good news in 1 single language? NEGATIVE! That would not be "spreading the good news for all", now would it?
@upNyaBizznizz True, I imagine the more languages they could find scribes to scribe it into the better, it would be to spread the good news throughout the many regions.
@RudeAwakning But, it amazes me how fast people forget "common sense" when they debate about such simplistic common procedures. Why would MATTHEW leave out his own race? That's ridiculous, since they had the most trouble comprehending that JESUS was their Last True Messiah (anointed one: anointed king) of ISRAEL. So "to hide truth" from them by penning IT only in Greek? NEGATIVE! That would be deliberate ignorance, wasting the best opportunity after many saw JESUS ascending up in the clouds!
Acts 2:38, Acts 2:41,47, Acts 4:12, Acts 8:12,13,16,38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:47-48, Acts 16:15,33, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:5, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:34, Eph 4:5, 1 Peter 3:21. Baptism was always done in the name of Jesus and no other!!
When Jesus prays to the father he is setting an example for us to follow. He doesn't need to tell us directly who he is, often he tells us not to believe in him because of what he says, but because of what he DOES.
Jesus IS God. God took a piece of himself, and made it his son, this was Gods very first creation. Through Jesus, God made all things. Jesus is God, and while he walked on Earth he never confirmed this but did say his followers would recognize him for who he truly is. When Philip asked Jesus to show them the father, Jesus rebuked him and said "I've been with you for this long, do you not know me? I am in the father, and the father is in me".
If the Trinity is a theological fact and represents the truth from God, surely Jesus would have introduced it to his audience. He had ample opportunity. He would have said something like “Hear O Israel! The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but they are not three Gods but one God”. Did he? NO!
Instead he reasserted the absolute and indivisible unity of God who is One and Only (Mark 12:29 c.f. Deut 6:4). Like a Muslim, Christ was strict monotheist who worshiped God alone.
Amen ! This is what I always have said in a very simular way. That is when God revealed His Name in Ex 3:14 ... I AM THAT I AM..." if He was three He would of said "...WE ARE WHOM WE ARE...". Yeshua bless you.
@neronei: The fact that Christ prayed to a higher being (Matt 26:39, Luke 6:12) is sufficient proof that he is NOT God as God doesn’t indulge in doing prayers.
Yeshua is NOT the only son of God as God has sons by the tons (Gen 6:2, 4; Exodus 4:22 ; Jeremiah 31:9; Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7).
And being son of God DOESN’T make Yeshua part of the Godhead but merely as God’s righteous servant (Abdullah in Arabic) as attested in Mark 15:39 c.f. Luke 23:47 as well as Acts 3:13 , 26; 4:27 , 30.
@neronei He is ONE ..Father, Son, Holy Spirit ... are you part of the body of Christ ...ONE BODY ... how do you explain or try to change this one.... we are ONE .... another scripture 2 think about:John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
@SoonGoingHome Are you saying your God? I mean isn't that what we teach? If were one with Christ and Christ is one with God which makes Him God then you are God too, right?
@chassr1 We are no gods... God lives WITHIN us ,John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit*John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is BORN OF THE SPIRIT* ..the Spirit (God's Spirit/Holy Spirit) ...How can you not see the 3 in 1.(see also...u have a body, soul, spirit =3..but u are 1 person)
@SoonGoingHome If you understand God lives in us then why can't you understand it the same way in Christ? Why do you change a man to God when the Bible NEVER clearly states "Jesus is God". According to you it has hints to it. The Holy Spirit is going to come and teach something different then what Christ did? Half godmen are myths! Christ is ALIVE!
@chassr1 He is .... and said " I AM" ... no one ... not even you can change that fact... God is good! I am so thankful for the Holy Spirit ... He is my Comforter ! Jesus died for you and me! ..... I am glad we agree .... CHRIST IS ALIVE and He paid the price .. we will have to make sure we repent and prepare the way .... as His return is at hand. See you in heaven. Arguments is not going to bring us there.... so we will just have to wait and see when we get to heaven...!
@SoonGoingHome The fact that Paul and Peter also said "I'am"? I totally agree with the last part of your post. We should be thankful not prideful. Pride is not a Christian quality, it comes from the other place. So really be careful. Remember this at least: Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matt 7:22-23, Lk 13:24-27). These are believers in Christ that will be turned away.
@SoonGoingHome Jesus may have said "I am" but Exodus 3:14 which trinitarians try to link it in with did not say "I am what I am".In the greek septugaint it is "ego eimi ho oon" which means "I am the BEING" so the 2 verses cant be linked up.see the Greek septugaint online.
@vuyou123 I am not linking anything ..... look at the scriptures .... I don't want to argue about this discussion, as I believe that God the Father and Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE and years of studies convinced me ... I will see you there ... by then we will have more knowledge and understanding?
@SoonGoingHome Second, the Hebrew in which Exodus 3: 14 was written is "ehyeh asher ehyeh"Although it takes some effort to further check out the meaning of ehyeh, it is worth it. With a good Hebrew Interlinear Bible one can prove to themselves that ehyeh should be translated "I will be" Most English Bibles make a false theological distinction by translating the same word EHYEH as "I Am" at Exodus 3:14, after translating EHYEH as "I will be" just two verses prior to that, at Exodus 3:12
@chassr1 Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
@chassr1 ...Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?....( The Father gives you the Holy Spirit (Himself) ... if you have not excepted Jesus into your life...you are not spirit ...and flesh cannot communicate with Spirit(God) ... therefore we need to commit our lives to God, who gave us Jesus(died on the Cross) and then gave us the Holy Spirit as our comforter (3)
@chassr1 Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (see @chassr1 ... Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. ....confirms it once again ...
I can keep going with scriptures my friend... it is very clear that there are 3 Persons in 1 ---God IS the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit...3 Persons in 1 ...
@chassr1 ...Let me know whether you need more EVIDENCE of the TRINITY ...however if you are Born Again... it will make sense to you ...because once you are born again... asking JESUS to come and live within you ... His Holy Spirit will lead you Comfort you .... God wants us with Him in Eternity so badly that He had to become flesh (through Jesus crusifiction ) ..he paid the price..His blood cleanses us and when He ascended to heaven ... He gave us His Comforter / Holy Spirit ..to lead and guide
You have no EVIDENCE of the trinity! All you have is mans traditions and twisted scriptures. Your pride is unbecoming of a Christian. You follow your father, he was a liar in the beginning and there is no truth in him. Find out how many changes you trinity believers had to make in the Bible. But you ignore that too, because it is easier to listen to men then have to sift through their lies! Seek the FATHER and you will be walking in the way of Christ. You are a sinner just like everybody else.
@chassr1 My EVIDENCE is in HIM*He is my evidence*the Holy Spirit in us guides us to understanding... I would like to say you are a sinner*however I will be looking out for you in heaven*if I get there before you do*otherwise.*if you get there before me*hope you will be looking out for me*so we can ask the Father to give us a lecture on this subject.*Oh and I do have PRIDE* I THE KINGS child* I am very proud of my inheritance*He is my God, my Jesus and my Holy Spirit whom makes me proud.c u soon
trinity is merely the english form of trinitas, or threeness, whereby some scholars saw that in scripture there is some kind of threeness in the Godhead.
and so there is, if you cant accept paradox that simply shows rigidity of mind, there is paradox in creation, after all light is both a stream of particles and a wave form, but you refuse to belive that One God is somehow three when the scriptures are full of it.
You have said it yourself. The trinity is an INTERPRETATION! Yet even being an interpretation we see that this doctrine has become LAW not an opinion.The ONENESS is stated all over the Bible from Gen to Rev, in complete fulfilment in Yeshua Jesus.Eph 4:4-6."There is one body,and one Spirit,even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;One Lord,one faith,one baptism,One God and Father of all,who is above all,and through all,and in you all." So be honest with yourself - NO TRINITY !!!
For one when Jesus came out of the water He did not receive the Holy Spirit but that was a sign to John, who was sent by the WORD of GOD in Lk3:2, to indicate which man was the body of God as prophesized Isa 11:2.Then we have a great problem when the Father SPEAKS from heaven seening that the Word of God was made flesh on the earth Jn1:1+14. In Jn3:13"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."Jesus' SPIRIT spoke from heaven.
The whole of the Bible has been edited. But I'm a disgusting Catholic. I accept the Trinity although it's not found explicitly in the scriptures and was developed by disgusting Catholics like myself because we believe that the Holy Spirit guided us. However is there a Trinity? No! But is the best explanation to God we have. But I'm just a disgusting White, Middle Class, Graduate Catholic, who is a government Bureaucrat. Good to see people hating me for being Catholic. Feeling the love of Jesus.
Yes the Bible has been edited but thank God that the passages that have been tampered with are evidenced.The fact that you confirm yourself that the trinity is not found in the Bible but is an interpretation proves that the catholic church is not guided by the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit IS and speaks of TRUTH and not lies.It is very obiviuos that you are a government bureaucrat from that NEWSPEAK you express yourself with. Jesus is truth not an intellectual twist of words.
" feel that the main problem with the trinity doctrine is the dogmatism and judgmentalism that customarily accompanies it. That to me is but another evidence of the fragility of its foundation." Raymond Franz, Commentarypress
THERE CAN BE NO ARGUMENT WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT MATTHEW WAS PRESENT ON THE DAY THAT THEY WERE BAPTIZING IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST CATHOLIC CHURCH HISTORY IS EXTREMELY SATANIC AND DISGUSTING ACTS 2 38 IS FOR EVERYBODY AND THOSE SCUMBAGS TORTURED APOSTOLIC MEN FOR PREACHING ACTS 2 38 AND NOW THE FALSE TRINITY DOCTRINE IS EVERYWHERE AND THEY EXCLUDE ACTS 2 38 AND SOME PREACHERS WILL NOT EVEN PREACH OUT OF THE BOOK OF ACTS AND MANY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO LIE AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE LYING WHEN PREACHING!
The TRUTH shall prevail and these trinitarian teachers and preachers know that this is the truth, for there is no other form of baptism in all the new testament from Acts on wards other in the Name of Jesus Christ -Acts 2:38,8:16,10:48,19:5; Rom6:3,1Cor1:13-15; Gal3:27.All are in the Name of Jesus or imply that they have been baptized into Christ which would further imply pronouncing the Name of Christ which is JESUS. Eph 4:4-6 -> One Spirit, One God, One baptisim,... ONE NAME JESUS !!!
The disciples did this because the understood that the NAME of the father,son -and holy ghost/spirit is jesus remember he said the name not title. Ephasians 4:4-6 one god
1 Timothy 3:16 explains it is a bit confusing. To those who cannot understand when jeus told the to baptize in the NAME of the fathe,son, and holy ghost/ spirit they went off and baptized in the name of Jesus but why?
There is clearly alot of confusion and arguments about Mathew 28:19 truly states to baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy ghost/spirit. However the bible tells us great is the mystery of the god head.
Matthew (28:19) was with Peter on the day of Pentecost (You know it's true)..what was Matthew doing .. (NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost)..no.. he was speaking in tongues and praising the one true God Jesus The Christ....
Sorry about some responses, but is it any funnier than a Christian arguing about the trinity? They bring what ever verse speaks about the "Spirit" as a proof, of simply use those bogus analogies "soul, body, and spirit" which, sorry again, shows the huge ignorance about those words. They think it works because the "3" is there...
Sorry about some responses, but is it any funnier than a Christian arguing about the trinity? They bring what ever verse speaks about the "Spirit" as a proof, of simply use those bogus analogies "soul, body, and spirit" which, sorry again, shows the huge ignorance about those words. They think it works because the "3" is there...
Sorry about some responses, but is it any funnier than a Christian arguing about the trinity? They bring what ever verse speaks about the "Spirit" as a proof, of simply use those bogus analogies "soul, body, and spirit" which, sorry again, shows the huge ignorance about those words. They think it works because the "3" is there...
@SeekerTruth001 hey cult seeker you know what happened to servetus right idiot,oneness heretic oneness theology is a bunch of lies form the pit of hell get over it,you cant call yourself chrisitian and deny the trinity and reject it.
I'm a soul (which is who I am), a body (my soul manifest in flesh), and a spirit (the aspect of me that connects with God). There's a trinity in us all. Maybe we were made in God's image. Huh?
Yes that is it, just count THREE and you have a trinity! Well done! I suppoose now you speak to all these three different forms and they answer you. If these are answering you, you are suffering of what is called a MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER, which is the favorite theme for horror movies where they dipict mentaly disturbed KILLERS who speak to totaly different PERSONS in their MINDS. God reveals to you that you are just a Body and Spirit Jm 2:26. and therefore you are ONE PERSON not THREE.
@neronei I know I'm one person. Just as the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is ONE God (1John5:7). You're not expected to comprehend this. It's foolishness to you. Your carnal mind can't accept what is Spiritually discerned (1Cor.2:14) because you lack the Spirit. (Rom.8:9) Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. That alone should make you scared to death.
This proves that your trinity is false because the passage you have just cited is a historicaly known forgery when Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus inserted this passage to help the trinity seeing that there was no evidence of the trinity in the whole bible!So seeing that you following a false doctrine from false doctors then you must be scared and repent for it means you do not understand the deep things of God because you do not have the Spirit of JESUS Acts 16:6-7, Rom 8:9,1Cor2:14,Phil 1:19
@neronei Man, you believe anything satan throws at you. "A historically known forgery". This is the Bible you're talking about. Written by man but inspired by God. God is in charge. By your theory, lets just throw the thing away and don't have a Bible, since God let any kind of fool put what he wants in it. There is evidence of the Trinity throughout the whole Bible. The Spirit in us testifies of the truth. He lets us know whats real and whats memorex. Anything aside Father Son and HS is trash.
@DeeStinger1 I suggest reading Genesis 2:7. It tells exactly what man is. Body + Breath (or Spirit) = Living Soul. Genesis 1:27 is another detail. This means that God has a body and a spirit, as we are made in HIS image.
Zechariah 2:10-11 (KJV) 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, LO I COME, and I WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THEE, SAITH THE LORD. 11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be MY PEOPLE and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD OF HOSTS HATH SENT ME UNTO THEE
I see alot of words, with no meaning and selfish intentions. Its very simple, humans just have the natural corrupted tendency to confuse and complicate simple spiritual matters.
ALL THE TRINITY IS, IS SATANS TOOL FOR KEEPING THE WORLD FROM KNOWING JEHOVAH.
WE HAVE A (GRACE AND PEACE) FROM ALL 3 MEMBERS OF THE TRINITY IN 2 VERSES.
Revelation 1:4-5 (KJV)
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come;(GOD THE FATHER) AND from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; (GOD THE HOLY GHOST)
5AND from Jesus Christ, (GOD THE SON) who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Oh my! So it is the Dakes bible that is all the craze now is it? I do not defend denominations, but the oneness of God is CERTAIN and is UNIFORM throughout the oneness belief. Not so with so many interpretations of the trinity in 1700 years, and are still being churned out today. By the way the "LET US MAKE MAN" God was speaking to ANGELS that are in His Image and Likeness! So stop being a Dake parrot (whom I respect) and read the Bible by yourself and The Spirit of Jesus! Jn.16:13-15.
Pitifull?For a start the term "US" does not mean " 3 " it just means plural fullstop. This can be from 2 to any other number."THE MAN HAS BECOME AS ONE OF US" if it is the so called God heads speaking to themself it will then imply that God did not know, but then came to know making His omniscience obsolete and therefore takes away His divinity. Instead Amos 3:7 says that before God does anything He shares His plan with His servants which were His angels at that time as it states in Job 38:6-7.
Again, if it is as you say it is, then find me a passage in the Revelations where you see Jesus sitting alongside the ONE that is seated on THE THRONE (SINGULAR) in heaven. Jesus is not physically A LAMB. That is just a symbolic image of the function of the body of Jesus as The Passover LAMB. In Rev 3:21 there is, and we can see just ONE THRONE and Body thereof as in Efe 4:4.The fulfillment is in Rev 21:23.One Spirit (the Father) in One Body (the Son) the fullness of the deity in visual form.
Thankyou for the count of the number of thrones in Heaven, but unfortunately it is not the answer to the question that you cunningly jumped or just may have an itchy trigger finger. I'll repeat the question " find me a passage in the Revelations where you see JESUS sitting alongside the ONE that is seated on THE THRONE (SINGULAR) in heaven."
@neronei Hello. Good on you for making a stand! I always knew the truth even as a little boy when my mother told me bible stories. Matthew 28:19 never confused me even if it was added later. It does after all say "In the name of" it's not saying these are 3 persons. It's like in Isaiah when He's referred to as "Wonderful Counsellor, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".
@neronei Best way to understand it is if we are made in His image then we too are a "3 in 1" being. We have a physical body and a spiritual body (there's 2), and the 3rd? Our soul. Which needs to be "housed" in a body whether it be physical or spiritual. If you were to meet in person you wouldn't see 3 of me (that is the 3 parts that I'm made up of) you would just see me. When Philip asked "Show us the Father?" that's like someone asking me "Show me your spiritual body".
@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
The Trinity is in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Any who deny this haven't read the Bible. The biggest critics of the Bible are the ones who won't really examine the Bible for themselves. Go ahead, prove me wrong. I challenge you like David did Goliath!!
The "trinity" idea is based on very specific language INVENTED by Tertullian in ~205AD. Without these words, the "trinity" concept would not exist. They are: "Distinct," "Persons," "Unique," "Sharing," "Essence," and "Nature." Unfortunately for Tertullian, who later converted to Montanism, which rejected the very "trinity" doctrine he himself concocted, NONE of these words occur in scripture pertaining to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The old adage "Divide and Conquer" comes to mind.
@jayorama1 : I know nothing of Tertullian, nor does he matter. The truth is that the idea of God in 3 parts is all through the Bible. But for an example where all 3 are evidenced at once, read about the baptism of Jesus.
@julieification: God is not an "idea," but the trinity doctrine that Tertullian invented certainly is. There is only ONE God, ONE Person of Deity (JESUS), and the SPIRIT of your Creator, who has TWENTY PROPER NAMES and almost as many PROPER TITLES, none of which have been given status as "Persons." It is quite an insult to refer to the heavenly Father as a "person," as a person is an individual. Try being omnipresent and a "person" at the same time. That's called a conundrum.
@jayorama1 : Hmm. Think about it. In order for God to die, He "became a little lower than the angels..for the suffering of death"(Hebrews 2:9) "Who in the days of His FLESH, when He had offered up prayers and supplications.."(Heb 5:7). Jesus indeed became a man who was "tempted like as we are yet without sin".(Heb 4:15) In Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness.." Only God can create something out of nothing, so who was God talking to?
@julieification , You don't know anything about Tertullian? Before moving into this discussion, you might want to talk a good study on him. To satisfy Pagans, Jews and Christians, Constantine took in all ideas and beliefs from each and combined them into the Catholic Church to satisfy man over God. Tertullian's "ideas" were added in with a few others as well. That was the beginning of the Trinity Doctrine. Check out Tertullian and his "ideas" and see what really went on with the Trinity.
@jonn86 : Without Tertullian, the idea of a trinity of Godhood is in Scripture. You are ignorant leading the ignorant. Anyone who truly studies God's Word, sees all 3 from Genesis to Revelation.
@julieification , and without "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" in Matthew 28:19, the Trinity Doctrine fails.
If you study the early texts, you will find that the Catholic church added to that scripture. Now without it, it don't hurt the Apostle's Doctrine that there is only 1 God, and He is a (not "They are") Spirit. Even the Jews believe in 1 God.
I deeply suggest to look into these things because it's the truth, and the truth hurts sometimes. Just go and check it out.
@julieification Smart move. That is actually a first for me because I've often had the other person I would be discussing with try to get the last word in or just feed the fire.
Anyways I cherish friendships over debate-buddies, and I hope you can understand that my intention was not to argue scripture, but suggest reading in on some of the things you believe. Also, I don't hate Trinitarians. That is basically hating another human being.. Which I don't do. God bless.
@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
@jayorama1 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."Mt28:19 "But when the Comforter(Holy Spirit) is come is come, whom I will sent unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me."Jn15:26 Notice Jesus says HE.
@julieification Is the Trinity truly in the Bible, or does the idea of it allow you to assume that the Bible teaches it? It's nothing more than an assumption just like the Mormons and other Christian "denominations".
Also I would consider no one to take your challenge. We're not to argue over scriptures, as stated in 1Cor 11:16. If you don't want to agree with us, then don't. Walk away, don't say a thing, and believe what you want. but there will be those praying for you out of love. God bless.
@jonn86: You are disobedient to Scripture. We are to "Rightly divide the word of truth" and we are to "search the Scriptures to see if those things were true" as did the Bereans in Berea, spoken of by Paul. We are to "contend for the faith". The word "rapture" isn't in the Bible either. But if you study the Scripture, it is very plain there is a secret coming as a "thief" and a very obvious one where Jesus comes after the tribulation to stand on the Mount of Olives for the whole world to see!
@julieification , my dictionary says that the definition of "Rapture" is "to be caught away; to catch away". I know the words "Caught away" are in the bible.
Please don't resort to name calling. It's very childish. I'm not here to attack you nor do I expect the same. I just merely asked you to look into Tertullian, and his "idea" of what God could be. He was a Pagan, and he created a doctrine to fit Pagan beliefs, which Constantine accepted to make his people happy.
@HARLANGENEPARROTT You are a rather confusing person. You are so correct on the trinity, but the rest? No so clear. The Bible says lest ye become like a child...Don't be so confusing.
Some trinitarians tells people that if you don't believe in the trinity you are going to hell. To that I say "what". If that was true then for thousands of years before Christ EVERYONE went to hell(including Moses, Jacob, Abraham)? If the trinity was a revelation why did it take hundreds of years to form it. Remember in 325 it still was far from finished.
The belief in the trinity biblically doesn't appear one way or the other for salvation.
onemarktwoyou 15 hours ago
Humans are 3 parts. Mind, body, and spirit. We are made in his image, so I think that should be part of the argument for the trinity.
zoozootaken 1 month ago
Whether or not the baptismal formula in Matthew 28.19 is original or not, God still works miracles through Trinitarian Christians, so He can't be THAT angry with us.! Not like some Muslims say, that we'll all be crying in the pit of fire because our idea of God's oneness (three yet one, like HO2 is liquid,ice and steam yet the same) differs from theirs.
MrDoremouse 1 month ago in playlist More videos from neronei
The Three who spoke to Abraham was the Holy Trinity The Hebrews refferred to the Spirit and Lord and Most High and in the begginning Gid created Man-Womans and child in "Our Image" multiple person Man loves the woman woman loves the man the love between the man and woman is a child=life....The Father loves the Son and the Son the Father ang begots the Holy Spirit The Law The Giver of you know nothing of God
RobinMosley24 2 months ago
With all do respect to this channel, I have been a student of the word for over 20 years with a PhD in Biblcal Studied and a ThD and I have to say, from the language of the Hebrew and Greek, the teaching of the triune nature of God is correct and is truth. I challenge anyone who knows either language to discuss the issue from both languages.
NHBChristianTalk 3 months ago
One God, One Name... There is no Son... Most High Yahuah came in the flesh... He came and died... No Son... He is the Father...
Shant325 4 months ago
Amen !
neronei 4 months ago
@Shant325 "No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:23
TruthAtlas 4 months ago
@Shant325 The Father is immortal meaning HE cannot die.
DigitalPraise7 1 week ago
Plain and simple the trinity is a false doctrine our Creator is not a author of confusion and if you believe in the trinity you are stating that the bible contradicts itself . 1 John 5:7 is a fabricated verse ,the baptismal formula was changed by the Catholic church who open admit it, and the messiah clearly said that his father was greater than himself and that he received the gift of the holy spirit from his father and to finish this off the name Jesus is a false name for the messiah
arcjahad 6 months ago
Amen !!!
neronei 4 months ago
Problem The Shema has three names of God in the first verse with three parts while Jewish people pray with three fingers making the Hebrew character Shin. The second principle of Judaism is God of unparrallel unity. Jesus said Father forsaken him in Matthew 27:46. Either Jesus is God on the cross paying for our sins while the Father forsaken him in action or what is false? The concept of the Trinity is the Bible. What do most mesanic Jews believe in the Triniy?
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
The fact that the Jews pray with three fingers does not prove that the trinity exists or other wise God would of stated some where in an explicit form that He is three persons but He does not !Show me where God says He is one in UNITY and not one in NUMBER!When Jesus says that God had forsaken Him He was fulfilling the function of the goat that is abbandoned in the desert in the day of atonement.(Lev.16:22) to fulfill all righteousness and the law.The messianic Jews are forced to accept it.
neronei 6 months ago
@neronei Genesis 1:26, Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5 all speak to God being a complex one. God is an unique one or a simple one would be common. From a Jewish web 2. The belief in G-d's absolute and unparalleled unity.Jew for Jesus believe why? God say it indirectly and direct. Genesis 1:26 says us and our. 1 John 5 three are one. Jesus says he is in the Father and Father is in him. In Genesis he uses Elohim which is Gods, but is used with a singular verb in Hebrew. Why?
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
Yes maybe you have not seen the video and the purpose of puttin it up Mat.28:19 is a falsification seeing that Eusebius who was a wittness to the Council of Nicea quotes that same verse in a very differnet way that has nothing to do with baptism so it means it was falisified after.1John 5:7 is an Historical falsification admited by Eramus of Roterdam who was the editor of the latin vulgate. According to the gloden rule in 2Cor.13:1 these are false you have to only read their contexts.
neronei 6 months ago
@neronei Jesus said the Father forsaken him in Matthew 27:46, then the Father forsaken him, Jesus said I am, so he is God and he has to know. With men many things have been corrupted, that is why I when to Judaism for answers about Christianity. God is a one, but he is not simple one. Jesus said in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, He defines God not you or me. He could have me or myself.
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
@neronei The second principle of Judaism is the Shema or D 6:4 Why would they write that? What is the purpose? God wrote the Bible so there must be a purpose. God also use the word Elohim which is Gods in Hebrew, but he uses with a singular verb when talking about himself. He could have use the singlur version in Hebrew El. Over 2000 times he uses Elohim Hebrew word over the 200 singular version What is he communicating? Ask a Rabbi about El and Elohim. Check out Jews for Jesus.
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
ELOHIM expresses the plurailty as Creator of all things as it states in Eph.4:6 that He is all in all, therefore He can as a singular Creator of all things express Himself as the plurality of all. BUT HE IS ONE PERSON, BEING and above all ONE GOD !!! Eph.4:4
He says to Moses that His Name is "I AM whom I AM" (singular) and not "WE ARE whom WE ARE" Ex.3:14
neronei 6 months ago
@neronei There is an issue with your answer. Number 23:19 God is a not man, so I will not define him as a man. Jesus was God in flesh. Isaiah 6:8 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “ Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.” The God/Lord said Genesis 1:26, Isaish 6:8, express him with plurality many times, Jesus say it, 1 John 5 states it, and then in this verse he use Adonai in singular tense to speak. God is a unique one not a simple one.
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
@neronei If our one universe is beyond our understanding, why can not one unique God be greater than his creation.
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
Our universe is revealed to us through the Holy Spirit of Yeshua Jesus as States in Rom.16:25-26 so there is no more mystery in Christ. If there is it means you are nopt following the Spirit of God that teaches us the profound deep things of GOD 1Cor2:11; Jer.33:3 !!! What Spirit have you received?
neronei 6 months ago
Beautiful presentation!
lidil100 7 months ago
Trinity is a unique doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Remember,
he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in PARABLES, so that ‘seeing they may not SEE , and hearing they may not UNDERSTAND.
Do not forget that catolic church added other verses to fit trinity doctrine.
TheEl7ohim 8 months ago
@chassr1 said to SoonGoingHome: I just wanted to say sorry for being rude.
Chassr1 .... it's ok, thanks for your apology... I'm going to heaven ....I would like to meet you there... looking out for you!!!
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
What about Matthew 3:16-17 when Jesus came up out of the water, the Spirit
came down on him and the Father spoke from heaven?
italianscool 9 months ago
WOULD YOU RATHER BELIEVE OTHER ....INSTEAD OF THE "WORD OF GOD"I believe in the TRINITY ... as Father, Son , Holy Spirit ...IS ONE . ARE you who call yourself a child of "God ... PART of ONE BODY ...the Body of Christ ...ONE !
SoonGoingHome 10 months ago
(Jesus is the Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
ACTS 2:38.8:16,10:48,19:5-6,22:16,ROM6:3,ETC....
7pentecostal7 10 months ago
Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not names, but titles.
All apostles were baptized in the name of Jesus.
What is the name of Holy Spirit, the name of the Son, the name of God ?.
God is one Spirit, not two or three.
Just one Spirit.
Roman 16:27.... to the ONLY wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen. !!! God in humanity
TheEl7ohim 11 months ago
Do not forget, John 5:7, was interpolated (was added) about the year 1600 A.D/E.C..
Pay attention, verses in parentheses and brackets are not best quoted.
Another example: book of John 7:53 - 8:11, (about the adulteress) .....
This part of the text is written in brackets. In the law of Moses, both the adulterer and the adulteress were to be presented. Where is the man?
Or would Jesus fall into a mistake?
TheEl7ohim 11 months ago
The fact that Christ prayed to a higher being (Matt 26:39, Luke 6:12) is sufficient proof that he is NOT God as God doesn’t indulge in doing prayers.
Jesus is NOT the only son of God as God has sons by the tons (Gen 6:2, 4; Exodus 4:22 ; Jeremiah 31:9; Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7).
And being son of God DOESN’T make Jesus part of the Godhead but merely as God’s righteous servant (Abdullah in Arabic) as attested in Mark 15:39 c.f. Luke 23:47 as well as Acts 3:13 , 26; 4:27 , 30.
zorin85 11 months ago
the trinity is false! if jesus and god were equal then how come at john 5.19 jesus said the son(himself)could do NOTHING on his own initivave but only what the father does.also at matthew 28.18 jesus said that all authority has been GIVEN me..if he was the almity god then HOW COME HE DIDNT HAVE IT BEFORE AND WHO GAVE IT TO HIM.also at matthew 24.36 jesus said nobody nos the day nor the angels nor the son but ONLY THE FATHER..if they were equal wudnt the son no as well?
bibletruths100 11 months ago
TorahClass(dot)com...free audio version of the Word and gives a person a good foundation.
materialclassified 11 months ago
The Trinity doctrine is false and the "Onesness" doctrine is false also. There is only one explanation for Elohim, and that is "Binitarianism" or "twoness" doctrine. There is no doubt of the Godhead if one looks closely enough, since in the beginning was the "Word" and the Word was Elohim and the Word became flesh. Notice that Yahusha prayed to Yahuah the Father. One does not pray to himself asking himself to remove something. Let me know if you have any questions concerning this.Thanks,777denny
777denny1 11 months ago
When 1 is immersed in repentance (Acts13:24) turning away from sin & turning toward Father thru faith in His Son. But there’s only 1 baptism(Eph 4:5).How could there be 3?If in Eph 4:5 “1 Lord”,how is there 3? If God, 3 in 1, immerses our nature,also 3 in 1, wouldn’t the process also be 3 in 1 immersing us into all 3 persons? Mt 28:19,“baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, unity is preserved when discussing salvations’ link to baptism (1Pet3:21).
messianicreformer 1 year ago
The Trinity & baptism are central. We’re made in God’s triune image –body, soul & spirit. Baptism, not just bodily immersion into H2O, but immersion of our entire triune being into the Triune God. With Acts 2:38;,8:16 & Gal 3:27 it’s clear water baptism most specifically identifies with Jesus. With Acts 1:5,10:47,11:16,1cor12:13 immersion & filling is with the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit only comes into repentant hearts (Act 2:37).
messianicreformer 1 year ago
Thank you for cluing me in on the changes made to the scriptures, I didn't know about that but I knew trinity was false doctrine! God Bless you!
RudeAwakning 1 year ago
This is what happens to all of us when we are born into this world system, that is that the world dictates to us what God is(Col.2:8).In reality it is satan masquerading as God (Isa 14:13-14). and he wants you to understand that God has to divide Himself into 3 to defeat 1 fallen cherubim. I DON?T THINK SO !!!! So to justify these lies he has to cheat and add other lies in verses to the bible to confuses further.Those that are purposely blind follow all this and try to enforced it to others.
neronei 1 year ago
@RudeAwakning ALL THESE SCRIPTURES WERE ADDED by MEN that have deliberately changed or added complete verses. John 5:4, Acts 8:37, 1 John 5:7, Mark 16:9-20, Mark 16:9-20, Matthew 28:19
1 JOHN 5:7 (King James) THIS VERSE WAS ADDED to support the wicked "TRINITY" doctrine:
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
MATTHEW was written in Hebrew, not Greek! JESUS chose Hebrew disciples! JEWS learn Hebrew first, then others!
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
Papias, (A.D. 80-155) said MATTHEW compiled the sayings (Logia) of Jesus, in Hebrew! But that writing was later LOST, for no such version exists today.
The First Gospel, most certainly, was penned by Matthew in HEBREW, Then later translated into Greek, and the Greek manuscripts have survived until today. Matthew’s logia "sayings of Jesus", did not survive, but his Gospel did.
hmm I wonder why MEN destroyed Matthews sayings of JESUS. I wonder why! Perhaps it killed the Trinity for good! LOL
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
Matthew's logia, of Papias, were a collection of sayings by Jesus, which Matthew collected and published in Hebrew. In course of time, in the hands of the church, this nucleus received many additions, but these were not made by Matthew. Eventually this expanded Hebrew or Aramaic original was translated into Greek by some unknown writer and was at once accepted by the church without a single dissenting or questioning voice as "the Gospel according to Matthew," on a par with the other Gospels. WOW
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
When Bible Scholars begin to reason, do they even consider the fact that MATTHEW is a Hebrew Man, A Jew? Jewish children are taught Hebrew first, then Aramaic and other languages. However, lets say Matthew suddenly learned Greek at the day of Pentecost, and Yahweh granted Matthew the ability to read, write and speak Greek. That's can be true! BUT JESUS read and wrote Hebrew as well, because he read from the Hebrew scrolls at the synagogue. Matthew also read and wrote Hebrew, because He's a JEW.
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
Matthew was compelled to teach the Hebrews of Jerusalem and Israel. PETER, leader boy, distributed the disciples in every direction, making sure that they penned their works in HEBREW, and translated them into Aramaic and Greek. Translators were aplenty in those days! Don't forget the Day of Pentecost when the spirit of YAHWEH caused them all to speak other languages! Got Translators? LOL YEAH, It's only Obvious that somebody BURNED the Originals during all those wars and crusades. THINK people!
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
Man, It's not rocket science. The Original manuscripts were penned in Hebrew, because All the disciples were Hebrew. But Father YAHWEH knew they needed translators, so He sent His power down to the upper room and gave all of the Disciples, Jesus' mother & family and Others the gift to speak , read & write Aramaic, Greek, Italian latin, Etc. And that is how Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Thomas were able to translate their manuscripts into different languages. HEBREWS needed the Gospel to! THINK.
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
The Evidence I John 5:7 was Falsified.
Greek manuscripts-about 300 existing Greek manuscripts contain the book of I John. Of these manuscripts, only 4 (manuscript numbers 61, 629, 918, 2318) contain the disputed words of v.7. All four are very late manuscripts (16th, 14th or 15th, 16th, and 18th centuries A.D. respectively); NONE gives the Greek text exactly as it appears in printed Greek NTs, and All 4 manuscripts give clear evidence that these words were translated into Greek from LATIN.
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
Four additional manuscripts (88, 12th century; 221, 10th; 429, 16th; 636, 15th) have the disputed words copied in the margin by much later writers.
Ancient writers: No Greek-speaking Christian writer before the year 1215 A.D. shows any knowledge of the disputed words of 1 JOHN 5:7. Not once are these words quoted in the great controversy with the Arians (over the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity) in the 3rd and 4th centuries;
What sound like Satan, is Satan.
continued....
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
in the 3rd and 4th centuries; they certainly would have been quoted if they had existed in any Greek manuscript of that period.
The disputed words are quoted as Scripture only by Latin-speaking writers, and only after the middle of the 5th century A.D.
LATINS ARE CATHOLICS!
Ancient translations: The disputed words ARE NOT FOUND in any of the ancient translations of the NT made in the 2nd-10th centuries A.D.--Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Gothic, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavic--EXCEPT IN LATIN.
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
The CATHOLICS wanted their "Trinity doctrine" by all mean necessary.
Their Latin translators inserted the words of 1 JOHN 5:7, found in some manuscripts (but not the earliest) of the Old Latin version, and in many manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate (but not the earliest).
Conclusion: The EVIDENCE of every kind is consistent and clear: The disputed words of I John 5:7 have no claim as an original part of John's letter, but were introduced into Greek from Latin in the very late Middle Ages. WOW!
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
I will make a complete video to expose this entire FALSIFIED "Trinity" verse at 1 JOHN 5:7. All Bible Scholars agree that 1 John 5:7 is completely falsified and it was deliberately inserted by a Latin scribe working for the Latin Catholic Vatican powers that be. The majority of Greek manuscripts do not have verse 7. IT is not the Word of YAHWEH, nor was IT inspired by the holy spirit, nor driven by a righteous Man.
NAY, the Trinity of SATAN will remain Satan's forever in the deepest Abyss.
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
@upNyaBizznizz I thought the new testament was in Greek? But I know all that trinity garbage is made up! It is pagan in origin, it is about as true as Sunday is Holy! NOT!
RudeAwakning 11 months ago
@RudeAwakning The disciple Matthew wrote two books in Hebrew, 'The Gospel according to Matthew' and the "sayings (logia) of Jesus ", but that book was mysteriously LOST. Papias viewed it with his own eyes and IT was sent to get translated from Hebrew scribes, but IT vanished for some reason. IT suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth! I guarantee that IT did not gel well with the "Trinity program" of Rome's Pagan Vatican agenda to doctrinate the world with the wicked Trinity deception.
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
@RudeAwakning Yes, most found manuscripts were in the Greek language. Don't forget that people back then knew a few languages and translators existed back then. Imagine the disciples writing their pages sitting at a table. They had translators doing the ones in Greek and Aramaic to spread the good news. After all that is what JESUS commanded them to do! Do you think they only wrote the good news in 1 single language? NEGATIVE! That would not be "spreading the good news for all", now would it?
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
@upNyaBizznizz True, I imagine the more languages they could find scribes to scribe it into the better, it would be to spread the good news throughout the many regions.
RudeAwakning 11 months ago
@RudeAwakning But, it amazes me how fast people forget "common sense" when they debate about such simplistic common procedures. Why would MATTHEW leave out his own race? That's ridiculous, since they had the most trouble comprehending that JESUS was their Last True Messiah (anointed one: anointed king) of ISRAEL. So "to hide truth" from them by penning IT only in Greek? NEGATIVE! That would be deliberate ignorance, wasting the best opportunity after many saw JESUS ascending up in the clouds!
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
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Acts 2:38, Acts 2:41,47, Acts 4:12, Acts 8:12,13,16,38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:47-48, Acts 16:15,33, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:5, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:34, Eph 4:5, 1 Peter 3:21. Baptism was always done in the name of Jesus and no other!!
7pentecostal7 1 year ago
When Jesus prays to the father he is setting an example for us to follow. He doesn't need to tell us directly who he is, often he tells us not to believe in him because of what he says, but because of what he DOES.
RageAgainstNWO 1 year ago
Jesus IS God. God took a piece of himself, and made it his son, this was Gods very first creation. Through Jesus, God made all things. Jesus is God, and while he walked on Earth he never confirmed this but did say his followers would recognize him for who he truly is. When Philip asked Jesus to show them the father, Jesus rebuked him and said "I've been with you for this long, do you not know me? I am in the father, and the father is in me".
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RageAgainstNWO 1 year ago
If the Trinity is a theological fact and represents the truth from God, surely Jesus would have introduced it to his audience. He had ample opportunity. He would have said something like “Hear O Israel! The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but they are not three Gods but one God”. Did he? NO!
Instead he reasserted the absolute and indivisible unity of God who is One and Only (Mark 12:29 c.f. Deut 6:4). Like a Muslim, Christ was strict monotheist who worshiped God alone.
zorin85 1 year ago 6
Amen ! This is what I always have said in a very simular way. That is when God revealed His Name in Ex 3:14 ... I AM THAT I AM..." if He was three He would of said "...WE ARE WHOM WE ARE...". Yeshua bless you.
neronei 1 year ago
@neronei: The fact that Christ prayed to a higher being (Matt 26:39, Luke 6:12) is sufficient proof that he is NOT God as God doesn’t indulge in doing prayers.
Yeshua is NOT the only son of God as God has sons by the tons (Gen 6:2, 4; Exodus 4:22 ; Jeremiah 31:9; Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7).
And being son of God DOESN’T make Yeshua part of the Godhead but merely as God’s righteous servant (Abdullah in Arabic) as attested in Mark 15:39 c.f. Luke 23:47 as well as Acts 3:13 , 26; 4:27 , 30.
zorin85 1 year ago
@neronei He is ONE ..Father, Son, Holy Spirit ... are you part of the body of Christ ...ONE BODY ... how do you explain or try to change this one.... we are ONE .... another scripture 2 think about:John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
SoonGoingHome 10 months ago
@SoonGoingHome Are you saying your God? I mean isn't that what we teach? If were one with Christ and Christ is one with God which makes Him God then you are God too, right?
chassr1 9 months ago
@chassr1 We are no gods... God lives WITHIN us ,John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit*John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is BORN OF THE SPIRIT* ..the Spirit (God's Spirit/Holy Spirit) ...How can you not see the 3 in 1.(see also...u have a body, soul, spirit =3..but u are 1 person)
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
@SoonGoingHome If you understand God lives in us then why can't you understand it the same way in Christ? Why do you change a man to God when the Bible NEVER clearly states "Jesus is God". According to you it has hints to it. The Holy Spirit is going to come and teach something different then what Christ did? Half godmen are myths! Christ is ALIVE!
chassr1 9 months ago
@chassr1 He is .... and said " I AM" ... no one ... not even you can change that fact... God is good! I am so thankful for the Holy Spirit ... He is my Comforter ! Jesus died for you and me! ..... I am glad we agree .... CHRIST IS ALIVE and He paid the price .. we will have to make sure we repent and prepare the way .... as His return is at hand. See you in heaven. Arguments is not going to bring us there.... so we will just have to wait and see when we get to heaven...!
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
@SoonGoingHome The fact that Paul and Peter also said "I'am"? I totally agree with the last part of your post. We should be thankful not prideful. Pride is not a Christian quality, it comes from the other place. So really be careful. Remember this at least: Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matt 7:22-23, Lk 13:24-27). These are believers in Christ that will be turned away.
chassr1 9 months ago
@SoonGoingHome Jesus may have said "I am" but Exodus 3:14 which trinitarians try to link it in with did not say "I am what I am".In the greek septugaint it is "ego eimi ho oon" which means "I am the BEING" so the 2 verses cant be linked up.see the Greek septugaint online.
vuyou123 8 months ago
@vuyou123 I am not linking anything ..... look at the scriptures .... I don't want to argue about this discussion, as I believe that God the Father and Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE and years of studies convinced me ... I will see you there ... by then we will have more knowledge and understanding?
SoonGoingHome 8 months ago
@SoonGoingHome Second, the Hebrew in which Exodus 3: 14 was written is "ehyeh asher ehyeh"Although it takes some effort to further check out the meaning of ehyeh, it is worth it. With a good Hebrew Interlinear Bible one can prove to themselves that ehyeh should be translated "I will be" Most English Bibles make a false theological distinction by translating the same word EHYEH as "I Am" at Exodus 3:14, after translating EHYEH as "I will be" just two verses prior to that, at Exodus 3:12
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@chassr1 Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
@chassr1 ...Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?....( The Father gives you the Holy Spirit (Himself) ... if you have not excepted Jesus into your life...you are not spirit ...and flesh cannot communicate with Spirit(God) ... therefore we need to commit our lives to God, who gave us Jesus(died on the Cross) and then gave us the Holy Spirit as our comforter (3)
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
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@chassr1 Holy Spirit of God..... Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
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@chassr1 Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (see @chassr1 ... Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. ....confirms it once again ...
I can keep going with scriptures my friend... it is very clear that there are 3 Persons in 1 ---God IS the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit...3 Persons in 1 ...
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
@chassr1 ...Let me know whether you need more EVIDENCE of the TRINITY ...however if you are Born Again... it will make sense to you ...because once you are born again... asking JESUS to come and live within you ... His Holy Spirit will lead you Comfort you .... God wants us with Him in Eternity so badly that He had to become flesh (through Jesus crusifiction ) ..he paid the price..His blood cleanses us and when He ascended to heaven ... He gave us His Comforter / Holy Spirit ..to lead and guide
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
You have no EVIDENCE of the trinity! All you have is mans traditions and twisted scriptures. Your pride is unbecoming of a Christian. You follow your father, he was a liar in the beginning and there is no truth in him. Find out how many changes you trinity believers had to make in the Bible. But you ignore that too, because it is easier to listen to men then have to sift through their lies! Seek the FATHER and you will be walking in the way of Christ. You are a sinner just like everybody else.
chassr1 9 months ago
@chassr1 My EVIDENCE is in HIM*He is my evidence*the Holy Spirit in us guides us to understanding... I would like to say you are a sinner*however I will be looking out for you in heaven*if I get there before you do*otherwise.*if you get there before me*hope you will be looking out for me*so we can ask the Father to give us a lecture on this subject.*Oh and I do have PRIDE* I THE KINGS child* I am very proud of my inheritance*He is my God, my Jesus and my Holy Spirit whom makes me proud.c u soon
SoonGoingHome 9 months ago
@zorin85 Just becuse 3 are named in a sentens dosent make them one.
jayandersons 1 year ago
trinity is merely the english form of trinitas, or threeness, whereby some scholars saw that in scripture there is some kind of threeness in the Godhead.
and so there is, if you cant accept paradox that simply shows rigidity of mind, there is paradox in creation, after all light is both a stream of particles and a wave form, but you refuse to belive that One God is somehow three when the scriptures are full of it.
this is not honest bible scholarship
Strefanash 1 year ago
You have said it yourself. The trinity is an INTERPRETATION! Yet even being an interpretation we see that this doctrine has become LAW not an opinion.The ONENESS is stated all over the Bible from Gen to Rev, in complete fulfilment in Yeshua Jesus.Eph 4:4-6."There is one body,and one Spirit,even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;One Lord,one faith,one baptism,One God and Father of all,who is above all,and through all,and in you all." So be honest with yourself - NO TRINITY !!!
neronei 1 year ago
This would be relevant if the only passage in the Bible indicating some kind of plurtaity in the Godhead were this. But it is not.
When Jesus was baptised he prayed to God abd received trhe Spirit, and a Voice said "my beloved son with whom i am pleased" and a host of others
you would excise this from scripture also?.
you can believe what you want i will not deny God by denying the trinity
Strefanash 1 year ago
For one when Jesus came out of the water He did not receive the Holy Spirit but that was a sign to John, who was sent by the WORD of GOD in Lk3:2, to indicate which man was the body of God as prophesized Isa 11:2.Then we have a great problem when the Father SPEAKS from heaven seening that the Word of God was made flesh on the earth Jn1:1+14. In Jn3:13"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."Jesus' SPIRIT spoke from heaven.
neronei 1 year ago
@neronei
scripture twisting. this is sure mark of heresy, passages are twisted, not allowed to speak for themselves.
Strefanash 1 year ago
You said it! Let the scripture speak for itself and don't twist it's words or meaning.
neronei 1 year ago
The whole of the Bible has been edited. But I'm a disgusting Catholic. I accept the Trinity although it's not found explicitly in the scriptures and was developed by disgusting Catholics like myself because we believe that the Holy Spirit guided us. However is there a Trinity? No! But is the best explanation to God we have. But I'm just a disgusting White, Middle Class, Graduate Catholic, who is a government Bureaucrat. Good to see people hating me for being Catholic. Feeling the love of Jesus.
modomnoc1 1 year ago
Yes the Bible has been edited but thank God that the passages that have been tampered with are evidenced.The fact that you confirm yourself that the trinity is not found in the Bible but is an interpretation proves that the catholic church is not guided by the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit IS and speaks of TRUTH and not lies.It is very obiviuos that you are a government bureaucrat from that NEWSPEAK you express yourself with. Jesus is truth not an intellectual twist of words.
neronei 1 year ago
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" feel that the main problem with the trinity doctrine is the dogmatism and judgmentalism that customarily accompanies it. That to me is but another evidence of the fragility of its foundation." Raymond Franz, Commentarypress
TheLastReformation 1 year ago
THERE CAN BE NO ARGUMENT WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT MATTHEW WAS PRESENT ON THE DAY THAT THEY WERE BAPTIZING IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST CATHOLIC CHURCH HISTORY IS EXTREMELY SATANIC AND DISGUSTING ACTS 2 38 IS FOR EVERYBODY AND THOSE SCUMBAGS TORTURED APOSTOLIC MEN FOR PREACHING ACTS 2 38 AND NOW THE FALSE TRINITY DOCTRINE IS EVERYWHERE AND THEY EXCLUDE ACTS 2 38 AND SOME PREACHERS WILL NOT EVEN PREACH OUT OF THE BOOK OF ACTS AND MANY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO LIE AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE LYING WHEN PREACHING!
erichathy222 1 year ago
The TRUTH shall prevail and these trinitarian teachers and preachers know that this is the truth, for there is no other form of baptism in all the new testament from Acts on wards other in the Name of Jesus Christ -Acts 2:38,8:16,10:48,19:5; Rom6:3,1Cor1:13-15; Gal3:27.All are in the Name of Jesus or imply that they have been baptized into Christ which would further imply pronouncing the Name of Christ which is JESUS. Eph 4:4-6 -> One Spirit, One God, One baptisim,... ONE NAME JESUS !!!
neronei 1 year ago 3
The disciples did this because the understood that the NAME of the father,son -and holy ghost/spirit is jesus remember he said the name not title. Ephasians 4:4-6 one god
abeld831 1 year ago
1 Timothy 3:16 explains it is a bit confusing. To those who cannot understand when jeus told the to baptize in the NAME of the fathe,son, and holy ghost/ spirit they went off and baptized in the name of Jesus but why?
abeld831 1 year ago
There is clearly alot of confusion and arguments about Mathew 28:19 truly states to baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy ghost/spirit. However the bible tells us great is the mystery of the god head.
abeld831 1 year ago
Matthew (28:19) was with Peter on the day of Pentecost (You know it's true)..what was Matthew doing .. (NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost)..no.. he was speaking in tongues and praising the one true God Jesus The Christ....
7pentecostal7 1 year ago
dam blasphemy oneness heretic
reformedbro1 1 year ago
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Sorry about some responses, but is it any funnier than a Christian arguing about the trinity? They bring what ever verse speaks about the "Spirit" as a proof, of simply use those bogus analogies "soul, body, and spirit" which, sorry again, shows the huge ignorance about those words. They think it works because the "3" is there...
trinity is a pagan belief. Face it.
SeekerTruth001 1 year ago
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Sorry about some responses, but is it any funnier than a Christian arguing about the trinity? They bring what ever verse speaks about the "Spirit" as a proof, of simply use those bogus analogies "soul, body, and spirit" which, sorry again, shows the huge ignorance about those words. They think it works because the "3" is there...
trinity is a pagan belief. Face it.
SeekerTruth001 1 year ago
Sorry about some responses, but is it any funnier than a Christian arguing about the trinity? They bring what ever verse speaks about the "Spirit" as a proof, of simply use those bogus analogies "soul, body, and spirit" which, sorry again, shows the huge ignorance about those words. They think it works because the "3" is there...
trinity is a pagan belief. Face it.
SeekerTruth001 1 year ago
@SeekerTruth001 hey cult seeker you know what happened to servetus right idiot,oneness heretic oneness theology is a bunch of lies form the pit of hell get over it,you cant call yourself chrisitian and deny the trinity and reject it.
reformedbro1 1 year ago
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I am not Christian. By the way, do you call yourself Christian? For your language, for your lack of charity, you sound pagan.
SeekerTruth001 1 year ago
I'm a soul (which is who I am), a body (my soul manifest in flesh), and a spirit (the aspect of me that connects with God). There's a trinity in us all. Maybe we were made in God's image. Huh?
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
Yes that is it, just count THREE and you have a trinity! Well done! I suppoose now you speak to all these three different forms and they answer you. If these are answering you, you are suffering of what is called a MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER, which is the favorite theme for horror movies where they dipict mentaly disturbed KILLERS who speak to totaly different PERSONS in their MINDS. God reveals to you that you are just a Body and Spirit Jm 2:26. and therefore you are ONE PERSON not THREE.
neronei 1 year ago
@neronei I know I'm one person. Just as the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is ONE God (1John5:7). You're not expected to comprehend this. It's foolishness to you. Your carnal mind can't accept what is Spiritually discerned (1Cor.2:14) because you lack the Spirit. (Rom.8:9) Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. That alone should make you scared to death.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
This proves that your trinity is false because the passage you have just cited is a historicaly known forgery when Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus inserted this passage to help the trinity seeing that there was no evidence of the trinity in the whole bible!So seeing that you following a false doctrine from false doctors then you must be scared and repent for it means you do not understand the deep things of God because you do not have the Spirit of JESUS Acts 16:6-7, Rom 8:9,1Cor2:14,Phil 1:19
neronei 1 year ago
@neronei Man, you believe anything satan throws at you. "A historically known forgery". This is the Bible you're talking about. Written by man but inspired by God. God is in charge. By your theory, lets just throw the thing away and don't have a Bible, since God let any kind of fool put what he wants in it. There is evidence of the Trinity throughout the whole Bible. The Spirit in us testifies of the truth. He lets us know whats real and whats memorex. Anything aside Father Son and HS is trash.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
@DeeStinger1 I suggest reading Genesis 2:7. It tells exactly what man is. Body + Breath (or Spirit) = Living Soul. Genesis 1:27 is another detail. This means that God has a body and a spirit, as we are made in HIS image.
Rosey38343 1 year ago
Isaiah 9:6 The messiah is the Everlasting Father. cool. I guess that settles it.
rock1020 1 year ago
BROTHER, WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THIS?
HERE ARE TWO
Zechariah 2:10-11 (KJV) 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, LO I COME, and I WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THEE, SAITH THE LORD. 11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be MY PEOPLE and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD OF HOSTS HATH SENT ME UNTO THEE
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Awesome vid. Thank you so much for posting it. May God bless you and keep you. Amen.
1jlady 1 year ago
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I see alot of words, with no meaning and selfish intentions. Its very simple, humans just have the natural corrupted tendency to confuse and complicate simple spiritual matters.
ALL THE TRINITY IS, IS SATANS TOOL FOR KEEPING THE WORLD FROM KNOWING JEHOVAH.
Thats it.
KenDoeFresh 1 year ago
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WE HAVE A (GRACE AND PEACE) FROM ALL 3 MEMBERS OF THE TRINITY IN 2 VERSES.
Revelation 1:4-5 (KJV)
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come;(GOD THE FATHER) AND from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; (GOD THE HOLY GHOST)
5AND from Jesus Christ, (GOD THE SON) who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
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Oh my! So it is the Dakes bible that is all the craze now is it? I do not defend denominations, but the oneness of God is CERTAIN and is UNIFORM throughout the oneness belief. Not so with so many interpretations of the trinity in 1700 years, and are still being churned out today. By the way the "LET US MAKE MAN" God was speaking to ANGELS that are in His Image and Likeness! So stop being a Dake parrot (whom I respect) and read the Bible by yourself and The Spirit of Jesus! Jn.16:13-15.
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HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Pitifull?For a start the term "US" does not mean " 3 " it just means plural fullstop. This can be from 2 to any other number."THE MAN HAS BECOME AS ONE OF US" if it is the so called God heads speaking to themself it will then imply that God did not know, but then came to know making His omniscience obsolete and therefore takes away His divinity. Instead Amos 3:7 says that before God does anything He shares His plan with His servants which were His angels at that time as it states in Job 38:6-7.
neronei 1 year ago
Again, if it is as you say it is, then find me a passage in the Revelations where you see Jesus sitting alongside the ONE that is seated on THE THRONE (SINGULAR) in heaven. Jesus is not physically A LAMB. That is just a symbolic image of the function of the body of Jesus as The Passover LAMB. In Rev 3:21 there is, and we can see just ONE THRONE and Body thereof as in Efe 4:4.The fulfillment is in Rev 21:23.One Spirit (the Father) in One Body (the Son) the fullness of the deity in visual form.
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HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Thankyou for the count of the number of thrones in Heaven, but unfortunately it is not the answer to the question that you cunningly jumped or just may have an itchy trigger finger. I'll repeat the question " find me a passage in the Revelations where you see JESUS sitting alongside the ONE that is seated on THE THRONE (SINGULAR) in heaven."
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@neronei Hello. Good on you for making a stand! I always knew the truth even as a little boy when my mother told me bible stories. Matthew 28:19 never confused me even if it was added later. It does after all say "In the name of" it's not saying these are 3 persons. It's like in Isaiah when He's referred to as "Wonderful Counsellor, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".
benmickel 1 year ago
@neronei Best way to understand it is if we are made in His image then we too are a "3 in 1" being. We have a physical body and a spiritual body (there's 2), and the 3rd? Our soul. Which needs to be "housed" in a body whether it be physical or spiritual. If you were to meet in person you wouldn't see 3 of me (that is the 3 parts that I'm made up of) you would just see me. When Philip asked "Show us the Father?" that's like someone asking me "Show me your spiritual body".
Thanks again.
Ben
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@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
jayorama1 1 year ago
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@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
jayorama1 1 year ago
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@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
jayorama1 1 year ago
The Trinity is in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Any who deny this haven't read the Bible. The biggest critics of the Bible are the ones who won't really examine the Bible for themselves. Go ahead, prove me wrong. I challenge you like David did Goliath!!
julieification 1 year ago
The "trinity" idea is based on very specific language INVENTED by Tertullian in ~205AD. Without these words, the "trinity" concept would not exist. They are: "Distinct," "Persons," "Unique," "Sharing," "Essence," and "Nature." Unfortunately for Tertullian, who later converted to Montanism, which rejected the very "trinity" doctrine he himself concocted, NONE of these words occur in scripture pertaining to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The old adage "Divide and Conquer" comes to mind.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 : I know nothing of Tertullian, nor does he matter. The truth is that the idea of God in 3 parts is all through the Bible. But for an example where all 3 are evidenced at once, read about the baptism of Jesus.
julieification 1 year ago
@julieification: God is not an "idea," but the trinity doctrine that Tertullian invented certainly is. There is only ONE God, ONE Person of Deity (JESUS), and the SPIRIT of your Creator, who has TWENTY PROPER NAMES and almost as many PROPER TITLES, none of which have been given status as "Persons." It is quite an insult to refer to the heavenly Father as a "person," as a person is an individual. Try being omnipresent and a "person" at the same time. That's called a conundrum.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 : Hmm. Think about it. In order for God to die, He "became a little lower than the angels..for the suffering of death"(Hebrews 2:9) "Who in the days of His FLESH, when He had offered up prayers and supplications.."(Heb 5:7). Jesus indeed became a man who was "tempted like as we are yet without sin".(Heb 4:15) In Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness.." Only God can create something out of nothing, so who was God talking to?
julieification 1 year ago
@julieification , You don't know anything about Tertullian? Before moving into this discussion, you might want to talk a good study on him. To satisfy Pagans, Jews and Christians, Constantine took in all ideas and beliefs from each and combined them into the Catholic Church to satisfy man over God. Tertullian's "ideas" were added in with a few others as well. That was the beginning of the Trinity Doctrine. Check out Tertullian and his "ideas" and see what really went on with the Trinity.
jonn86 1 year ago
@jonn86 : Without Tertullian, the idea of a trinity of Godhood is in Scripture. You are ignorant leading the ignorant. Anyone who truly studies God's Word, sees all 3 from Genesis to Revelation.
julieification 1 year ago
@julieification , and without "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" in Matthew 28:19, the Trinity Doctrine fails.
If you study the early texts, you will find that the Catholic church added to that scripture. Now without it, it don't hurt the Apostle's Doctrine that there is only 1 God, and He is a (not "They are") Spirit. Even the Jews believe in 1 God.
I deeply suggest to look into these things because it's the truth, and the truth hurts sometimes. Just go and check it out.
jonn86 1 year ago
@jonn86 : You and I are done. For some reason, you choose to close your eyes. The Trinity makes up God.
julieification 1 year ago
@julieification Smart move. That is actually a first for me because I've often had the other person I would be discussing with try to get the last word in or just feed the fire.
Anyways I cherish friendships over debate-buddies, and I hope you can understand that my intention was not to argue scripture, but suggest reading in on some of the things you believe. Also, I don't hate Trinitarians. That is basically hating another human being.. Which I don't do. God bless.
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@julieification: Actually, I've read the entire Bible twice, not counting devotional reading. Let's keep it simple. If there is scripture using the word "person" in reference to the "holy Spirit" and/or the "Father," then the "trinity" idea has validity. If not, it doesn't. A separate but related point is that the "trinity" doctrine fails to convey the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is instead an endless dissertation on God's "parts," a distraction to the message of salvation, and without value.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."Mt28:19 "But when the Comforter(Holy Spirit) is come is come, whom I will sent unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me."Jn15:26 Notice Jesus says HE.
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HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
@julieification Is the Trinity truly in the Bible, or does the idea of it allow you to assume that the Bible teaches it? It's nothing more than an assumption just like the Mormons and other Christian "denominations".
Also I would consider no one to take your challenge. We're not to argue over scriptures, as stated in 1Cor 11:16. If you don't want to agree with us, then don't. Walk away, don't say a thing, and believe what you want. but there will be those praying for you out of love. God bless.
jonn86 1 year ago
@jonn86: You are disobedient to Scripture. We are to "Rightly divide the word of truth" and we are to "search the Scriptures to see if those things were true" as did the Bereans in Berea, spoken of by Paul. We are to "contend for the faith". The word "rapture" isn't in the Bible either. But if you study the Scripture, it is very plain there is a secret coming as a "thief" and a very obvious one where Jesus comes after the tribulation to stand on the Mount of Olives for the whole world to see!
julieification 1 year ago
@julieification , my dictionary says that the definition of "Rapture" is "to be caught away; to catch away". I know the words "Caught away" are in the bible.
Please don't resort to name calling. It's very childish. I'm not here to attack you nor do I expect the same. I just merely asked you to look into Tertullian, and his "idea" of what God could be. He was a Pagan, and he created a doctrine to fit Pagan beliefs, which Constantine accepted to make his people happy.
jonn86 1 year ago
@jonn86 : I called you no names. Though you claim I am childish. Hmm...
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HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
@HARLANGENEPARROTT You and I KNOW God is 3 in one. But to be fair about what?
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@HARLANGENEPARROTT You are a rather confusing person. You are so correct on the trinity, but the rest? No so clear. The Bible says lest ye become like a child...Don't be so confusing.
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