The Epistemological Necessity of an Inerrant and Infallible Bible (Persuasive Speech)

[sirdelrio]

Also, like some atheist said, you need to realize, pal, that for you fundamentalist christians, the bible IS god, you just cannot concieve that god can exist but the bible be wrong. what if the muslims are right? all your assertions would stand, but the bible would be wrong.

[MaharlikaAWA]

@sirdelrio What if you are wrong and are just listening to stupid things completely made up by people that have no basis in fact? Seriously get a clue about the bible and stop saying nonsensical things. The point is HoParoikos IS NOT WRONG and YOU ARE.

[sirdelrio]

@MaharlikaAWA ok, what are the stupid things with no basis in fact? please, teach me. I need arguments and not assertions. You just gave a typical fundamentalist response: censure. Because, sweetie, you'd be surprised how much i know about biblical history. I was just point out an evident flow of biblical fundamentalism. God and the bible are not identical. And i can see you JUST CAN'T see any posibility of the bible being wrong. What are your 'facts' about the reed sea, the exodous, genesis?

[MaharlikaAWA]

@sirdelrio "what are the stupid things with no basis in fact? please, teach me. I need arguments and not assertions."

Yeah like you gave facts and arguments and certainly not assertions right? You are a joke. Christians dont believe the Bible is God you just made that claim with no facts and just said it. You are a contradiction. You just came to be an idiot and troll this video im sure.

[sirdelrio]

@MaharlikaAWA What?? i said what if!!!! i didn't assert ANYTHING, other than biblical fundamentalist cannot see god existing and the bible be wrong (and didn't your reply support this?). You, on the other hand, did assert many things: that i was listening to people who "have no idea what they're talking about", "have no basis in fact". And when asked about something, just threw another insult (how christian! hypocrits) and didn't give any. What topic do you want to discuss, do not run away.

[sirdelrio]

@MaharlikaAWA ok, let's discuss about the bible, let's see who has 'a clue'!!!! what do you want: christian origins, historical reliability, inerrancy, its 'humanitarian' morality, paul, the disciples, the gospels? let's see who has 'a clue'!!!

[MaharlikaAWA]

@sirdelrio ok...

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio ahhhh I see your motivations now. It seems you are not interested in any rational or even dialogue. You want to come here to let me know how ignorant I am, as if I have never heard your arguments before.

[sirdelrio]

@HoParoikos ok, you've heard them, answer them.

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio it is no abundantly evident you are just an arrogant troll commenting here to condescend on me. you know what I meant by "as if I've never heard them before." I meant that i'm not ignorant like most evangelicals and the basic bart ehrman or richard dawkins crap isn't going to stump me. i've debated this a lot and I've heard all kinds of arguments, but you act like i'm naive and stuck in my little world. you're blocked because you're just wasting my time.

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio Don't call me pall; I can tell you're being condescending. I'm not a fundamentalist, and you don't know what I believe. I am a conservative evangelical and there's a big difference. The fact that I make a philosophical argument ought to be a clue to you that I am not a fundamentalist. Telling me what I believe is ignorant. "what if the muslims are right?" Well what if Christians are right? you come to me with nothing but empty rhetoric. No one believes the bible is God.

[sirdelrio]

@HoParoikos i know no christian would say the bible is god. But when you think that a particular book, not others, this one, the one of your religion, must be inerrant and infallible, means, that for you, god can only be known through scripture. In other words, you are asserting that unless your holy book IS indeed the word of god, then we COULDN'T know god and what he wants. Your video isn't titled "the epistemological necessity of an inerrant and infallible HOLY SCRIPTURE".

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio I believe in the innerrancy of 66 books collected together as one library (ergo: "bible"). You can know from nature that there is a designer/God, but you cannot know God's will unless he reveals it you idiot. That argument doesn't even make sense.

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio You know, If you could just have commented on here and treated me with respect like a normal human being instead of being condescending, I would have loved to continued in dialogue with you. All you had to do was ask the questions, and I would have offered my best answers to the best of my ability. Yet instead you saw fit to refer to me by condescending pet names and act as if you are superior. I'm not going to tolerate people treating me like this anymore on the stupid internet.

[sirdelrio]

What if we found that ONLY the new testament is reliable, historical and inerrant, but the OT isnt. Would all these things you say still stand? because i dont think you realize that a sacred text written by many authors and compiled at whim on a council, can be expected to be like some kind of long letter from god to humanity. You MUST be opened to the possibility that SOME parts of the bible CAN be wrong.

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio Textual Criticism and Archaeology has continually demonstrated the general reliability of the Old Testament. Everyone must be open to reality--the possibility that the bible is wrong--but that would mean it's not the word of God. So far it has proved reliable, and It seems to me to be the word of God. So far as I've studied it, I have found no error, and I am justified in believing so. I am not some fideist king james only fundamentalist moron.

[sirdelrio]

@HoParoikos archeology?? are you serious?? the exodous, the conquer of canaan??? (for that last one you just have to read the text well to realize it was allegory)

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio Yes archaeology. Get your head out of the liberal trash you've been reading. Don't tell me how to read the bible. Canaan was real and it was extremely wicked; and the bible is so accurate about archaeology that archaeologists have used it look for lost nations. It has proven trustworthy time and time again. I think you are confused. Just because they haven't found evidence for a few of the events, does not mean they didn't happen.

[sirdelrio]

@HoParoikos you've found no error??? please compare the four resurrection narratives and tell me: how many women went to the tomb? was the stone already rolled? who did they find inside? two men, one man, or did an angel come down from the sky and rolled the rock with a thunder? who told the women (or magdalene, depends) what to tell the disciples, the angel or jesus? did they tell? Did jesus die before of after passover? please, since you've sorted out this 'apparent' contradictions.

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio You're an idiot. It is evident you were never interested in the truth in the first place. You just wanted to get on my videos to treat me like dirt. You're throwing out all kinds of red-herrings. I can't possibly answer all these questions in these stupid little text boxes. All these issues have been dealt with in detail by great Christian apologists. Evidently you're too much of a lazy ignoramus to go out and make a fair look at the other side, though.

[sirdelrio]

@HoParoikos ok, the word of god. Did god support slavery, genocide, death penalty, infanticide, social segregation and discrimination, child molestation, spousal abouse, child abuse, abortion, incest, and all of a sudden changed his timeless-changeless mind???? Is god a god of love that wants us to be saved, or does he send lying spirits in the mouth of profets (as in 2nd kings) or strong delusion so we believe lies and be damned as in 2nd thesalonians.

[HoParoikos]

@sirdelrio ha. attempting theology are we? now this is funny.

[DanBowenTV]

Keep your bullshit religious views to yourself dumbass

[HoParoikos]

@DanBowenTV I'm not the one who believes in chi, danblow. FYI, this is a public domain. I can do whatever the heck I want. Why don't you keep your bogus views to yourself?

[shaggzm4]

You should have put some details into the description. I could have given you some very good advice. Instead I'm left a bit lost on this, is it a constructive or an argumentative speech maybe persuasive? These claims are exclusive to Christians? Seems to be well worded though.

[HoParoikos]

@shaggzm4 it is a persuasive speech. the audience is supposed to be comprised of Christians, but I have to post it public on youtube for school so it can be graded. inerrancy and infallibility of scriptures shows up in a few other religions. my point here is to show how a Christian worldview crumbles if they no longer trust the bible's reliability.

[nextluther12]

Grat Stuff!

[HoParoikos]

@nextluther12 thanks!