Biblical "contradictions" #2: To kill or not to kill?

[ellimist6]

well actually the 10 commandments did change, when ppl asked jesus how to get into the kingdom of heaven its found in luke 18:18-22. theres no way of explaining y god wanted so many ppl dead. he has his ppl commit genocide just b/c the ppl where non believers. and killing someone for working on the sabbath is not a reason to kill neone

[elijah5791]

Dude, I like you. You're cool! Keep up the good work, brother! :)

[MrJetco]

Keep up the good work for Jesus Christ.

[stevebnh]

So if the 10 Commandments are the big ones...the moral laws that cannot be violated, I am wondering how failing to keep the sabbath holy, and making graven images got ranked so high. They seem rather trivial to me.

[Lightmane321]

Your argument that God needed to remove 'intentional' sinning from Isreal before Jesus would come is odd. Why would God need Isreal to be 'more pure' & 'less sinful'?

While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more. Rom 5:20

This is simply an attempt, on your part, to justify God committing sin, which He would never do.

God would NEVER tell 1 human to stone another. That's sin.

[scotzbhoy]

Corporal punishment is not sin. How do you expect the holy and perfect savior of mankind to be brought up in a sinful community? He needed to be born into a holy community so he could be brought up holy. The people God commanded the death of were endangering the salvation of the entire human race.

Here's a question for you. If God didn't command any of these things, why does it say he did in the book which he divinely inspired?

[Lightmane321]

Your question doesn't apply.

You're assuming that it's inspired before proving that it is.

If it's inspired & inerrant, then your question is valid.

I'm challenging it's inerrancy, that's all.

My points therefore, are valid.

I've already asked in another video about God killing babies so let's have a conversation in just 1 place.

You choose or I will. Thanks.

[scotzbhoy]

2 Timothy 3:16.

[Lightmane321]

Holy Crap. Are you serious?

So since the bible says that it's inspired by God, that's how you KNOW that it is?

Is that your argument???

THEN, if the Koran says the same thing, then it's also inspired by God, right???

For that matter, any book that makes such a claim, must therefore (by your logic) be the inspired word of God, because it says so in the book.

This is called circular reasoning.

Nice try.

[Lightmane321]

also, by your argument from the other video, you're saying that you believe that God DID order the death/killing of babies & you're perfectly fine with this?

What sin did the babies commit that God said to kill them?

Here's another verse you might want to look up & see if it's consistent with what God tells us about His character.

The bible says that 'God is Love'. Now compare that statement with Ezekiel 9:5-7

How about God is forgiving with Isaiah 13:15-18 & Exodus 32:26-29

Hundreds More

[Lightmane321]

If the bible is INERRANT, then you've got to deal with a God who NEVER CHANGES & I'm good with that, but then mesh that with these verses & hundreds more.

The God of PARTS of the OT is anything but Good, Loving, Merciful, Forgiving.

He's to be feared w/your very life. If you pick up sticks on the sabbath He'll have you stoned to death for doing such a horrible thing. (I know the spiritual meaning of picking up sticks on the sabbath)

The punishment however is cruel & sick.

[Lightmane321]

Look at Aaron's sons. Why did God kill them? His reasons... because He's holy. That's it. No explanation. Just because He's holy.

When you get to Heaven, if I were you, I'd check to see if there's any spears around. Wouldn't wanna find myself being run through for upsetting His Holiness. I'd be real careful living with this guy for all freaking eternity, while billions of sinners are tormented in hell forever.

What a God. He's so loving & good that He torments sinners forever.

wtg God

[Lightmane321]

Here's what I believe (feel free to call me an idiot)

God is Love, Just, Merciful, Forgiving.

God will punish everyone with perfect justice. All who die unsaved will stand before Him 'in their sins' and God will pour out His wrath on them & it will be perfect anger, perfect justice, perfect punishment.

MEANING: It won't last forever. The punishment will perfectly fit the crime & then upon repentance, God will show mercy & grace & forgiveness, because that's what God does. He's Holy.

[Lightmane321]

When people are punished, they'll naturally cry out for mercy. God will show mercy after they've completely paid for their sins. That's what I believe.

That's just

[scotzbhoy]

Wow. I cannot believe you just said that.

So if you're not willing to accept when the bible says that it is given under divine inspiration, why are you willing to accept other parts of the bible? For that matter, why are you willing to accept any historical documents?

You are arguing that because I belive the bible is true, then I must believe all books are true. That is ridiculous.

[PossiblyAsian]

@scotzbhoy you people are insane talking about pure and holy communities and the coming of jesus, captial punishment and blah blah blah you people sound like neo-nazis

[hotdoh]

Haha, in any case...we're obviously not coming any closer to agreement. I do respect you for the massive amount of time you have put into understanding your religion. Most seem to believe yet be uninterested. You are a real Christian; I respect you for that. :)

[hotdoh]

Besides, all sins are equal, right? Commit one and the chain falls?

If it was just to instantly kill that man for sinning, is it not just for us all to die today for all of our equally horrible sins...such as not telling the truth, worshiping other dieties, and being born?

[hotdoh]

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

So not murdering someone is a capital crime?

[scotzbhoy]

No, disobeying orders is. There was a war on at a time, these people could be thought of as being in the army of God. The man refused to obey God, so he was put to death. It was basically a court-martial.

[hotdoh]

Exactly, he was put to death because he did not obey. The order was to kill...does it not conflict with a previous order to not kill? He would have been put to death regardless of his decision because of conflicting commands.

[scotzbhoy]

No the order was not to kill. The order was to strike. And no, he wouldn't have been put to death regardless of his decision because God ordered him to strike the prophet.

[hotdoh]

You talked about how God needed to keep this city free from voluntary sin, but you never once addressed the process by which God circumvents his own moral law that applies to all generations forever. God broke his own law? The rock he created too heavy to lift!

[scotzbhoy]

There is a difference between murder and corporal punishment. When God gives a law, he expects it to be kept. Anyone who failed to obey the law was putting the salvation of the human race in danger, and Goed couldn't allow that.

[hotdoh]

No, I just don't understand. You said that God couldn't have voluntary sin in that area, right? I simply can't get it right in my head how those people weren't breaking the commandment not to kill if they were slaughtering people by using their free will that God had given them. Plus, the commandment is to not "kill," right; it doesn't say not to "murder," and I would even argue that the point is moot seeing as how they both involve the ending of life against the will of that life.

[scotzbhoy]

God has the authority to command the greatest punishment on those who were endangering the salvation of the human race. God commands the death penalty as a judgement on sinners for breaking the commandments. God is simply upholding the commandments.

[hotdoh]

"God commands the death penalty..."

"God is simply upholding the commandments"

"Thou shall not kill"

What? I'm sorry. It just seems so clear to me that at one point he says "don't kill" and then at another he says "kill or you're immoral." If he is the source for morality, it would be immoral to disobey his word.

If I say "eat" then I say "don't eat" there is NO way that you can perform an action that places you in a situation of having perfectly followed the my word.

[scotzbhoy]

In context, the commandment would be to not murder. In the culture of the time, and not just of the Israelites but many cultures across the world, the death penalty was an acceptable form of punishment. God regarded their sin very seriously, so he had to impose the ultimate punishment. I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand.

[hotdoh]

But you said that his moral law applies to all generations for all time, regardless of culture or any other circumstance that may apply.

It just seems so basic and simple to me. If one were to say "kill," then they were to say "dont kill," I don't grasp how this is not a contradiction at its most core sense of the idea.

[scotzbhoy]

I've already explained to you many times the differences between murder and corporal punishment and why it was so important for God to irradicate sin from Israel.

[hotdoh]

But murder IS sin!

And I don't remember reading the words "corporal punishment" in the Bible (though they very well may be there) It has always said things such as he shall surely be put to death.

To create changes in reality so that life turns to death without the will of this organism being taken into account is murder. Plain and simple.

[scotzbhoy]

Corporal punishment is simply the death penalty for a crime, i.e being put to death for sin.

That's your definition of murder. I would regard murder as simply being the killing of the innocent. The death penalty still exists today in many places. I don't think many people would consider that to be murder.

[Lightmane321]

Here's 1 for you. Do you believe that it was actually God who said that a woman who gets married & is found not to be a virgin should be stoned to death? Deut. 20 starting at verse 13.

Please explain why God would command this. If God said this, then shouldn't we do this today? I mean, if we don't then we're disobeying God aren't we? Apparently it would be a sin to not do this, since God commanded it, which means that it's right to stone a woman to death for this. Is that right????

[Lightmane321]

Of course it's not right, but you'll say that this was in the OT & that there were reasons why God gave such commands but that He no longer gives such commands, which is a lame argument. However, the question still stands. Why did God command this at that time to His people?

At this point, I would've moved

[scotzbhoy]

Yes it's right, because people who sinned in Israel were jeopardising the salvcation of the entire planet, and therefore sinners were put to death. Would you rather God allowed that sort of thing but didn't send Jesus for us?

[Lightmane321]

WHAT???!!!

Are you insane?

So you agree with God for ordering women to be stoned to death.

You agree with God for killing Aaron's sons. You agree with God when He killed babies.

Your last sentence shows how insane you are... you write 'would you rather God allowed that sort of thing but didn't send Jesus for us?'

NO! I'd rather God punished sin justly AND sent Jesus for us.

Stoning women & killing babies is SICK & EVIL.

It's not just. God NEVER would do this.

Sick men would

[Lightmane321]

You just can't accept that God is portrayed in PARTS of the OT as a sick, cruel, evil bastard, because that would shatter your worldview, so you dance around it & try to justify God's behavior, when in fact there is no justification for it. God didn't do any of this. If He did, He's an ass.

PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!

I'm listening.

[scotzbhoy]

God is a just God. God commanded sin to be eradicated in the OT because the perfect, sinless savior could not be born into a sinless community. God is just, and so is his punishment for sin.

"God didn't do any of this. If He did, He's an ass."

I guess you just called God an ass. You may want to repent of that.

Here's a question; if God didn't make any of those commandments, why does the divinely-inspired book say he did? How many other commandments might he not have given?

[Lightmane321]

Read your first 2 sentences again. They don't make any sense.

Next: If a command in the bible is said to come from God, but makes no sense & can't be justified, then pardon me for not believing that it came from God. God isn't evil enough to tell people to pick up rocks & throw them at a woman until she's dead. That's evil. How you don't understand that that's evil confuses me.

If it was done today (it is btw) would you condone it? Of course not.

[Lightmane321]

EXAMPLE: I just got married. On my wedding night I suspect my wife isn't a virgin & she admits this to be true. I'm very angry. I don't know what to do about it. Should I divorce her? Should I beat her? Should I publicly humiliate her? How should she pay for her sin? What would be the best punishment? The just punishment?

I know. I'll ask God. I'll look in God's word, the bible, since God knows better than me. I'll do what God says, then I know I'll be right.

Honey... yes dear...

[Lightmane321]

I just looked in God's Holy word the bible to see what I should do about your sin. I didn't want to punish you in the wrong way.

She's glad. She was worried I might beat her.

Unfortunately dear, even though I still love you & really want to fix this, I have to obey God. You understand right?

Yes dear.

Well, God says that I am to PICK UP ROCKS & THROW THEM AT YOU UNTIL YOU'RE DEAD!!!!!

Oh. Well, if God says that, I guess you have no choice. He must know better. Even though it'll hurt..

[Lightmane321]

and I can't stand the thought of being killed by having rocks thrown at me, it's better to obey God. After all, His ways are higher than our ways. THROWING ROCKS AT ME UNTIL I'M DEAD must be the best form of punishment for me. It must be what I truly deserve. I love you & wish there was another way, but I guess forgiveness & mercy are out of the question. A Just Holy Righteous & Merciful & Good God must know better.

So you just PICK UP ROCKS & THROW THEM AT ME UNTIL I'M DEAD.

I understand

[Lightmane321]

Forgive me scotzbhoy, BUT I DON'T!!!!!!!!!

[scotzbhoy]

Fornication is a sin. If a woman is found not to be a virgin before she gets married, then clearly she has fornicated. The punishment for sin in the OT was to be put to death. I explain all this in part 2 of my contradictions series.

[scotzbhoy]

Sorry, didn't realise that was the video we were on (didn't read my e-mail properly.) Anyway, I explain the reason for corporal punishment in the video.

[tombing111]

this god you describe must be a cruel god. The death penalty was set and carried out by the authorities at the time "in the name of God". Salvation is a great word, finding faith in jesus. try doing good instead. In heaven, you're useless, you do no good for anyone on earth. Don't bother excusing the use of barbaric killings in the Bible because you want to worship Jesus. Worship humanity and do good. If god (if he even exists) is a fair, as you claim he is, he would only expect you to do good.

[scotzbhoy]

God commanded the death penalty to prevent sin, for the salvation of humanity. I call that more than fair. We should all do good, but it is our faith that will determine our salvation, because it is in the nature of mankind to be sinful. The bible tells us 'there is none that doeth good, no not one.' (Psalm 14:3, Psalm 53:3, Romans 3:12). If we have faith in Jesus and are true Christians, then the good works should follow because we are living by his teachings.

[hunchbacked]

"If you truly are an atheist, I wouldn't trust you as my friend or as a police officer. Since you don't have a soul, you can pretty much fuck anybody and not face punishment after death"

I said I am not a fundamentalist, I didn't say I was an atheist.

And it's wrong to think that atheists are not moral; there are atheists who are extremely moral, like there are christians who are not moral at all (don't behave morally).

[hunchbacked]

" Do not let the evolutionists spoil you with their unproven THEORY of evolution. "

unproven?

There are many more proofs in favor of the evolution than there are in favor of creationism.

If I believe in evolution, it's not because I want to victimize the creationists, it's because my reason pushes me to it.

I don't want to let my mind be obscured by a blind faith.

[bensmith86]

Actually, there are no concrete proofs and several holes in the theory. What we know as evolution is really just adaptation. If one were to spray a certain fruit fly with pecsticide, eventualy that strain would become immune to the poison. That is adaptation. However, once the poison is removed, the flies revert back to their original state in a few generations. This is the accepted view of evolution as we know it. If it were true, then humans would eventually revert back to their semian state.

[bensmith86]

Since the enviormental changes that it would take to spark humans to evolve are gone, shouldn't we then, using the accepted theory, start regrowing tails at some point soon? When taken in small bites, evolutio--adaptation rather--may be plausible, but not on a scale large enough or permanent enough to produce the results you are talking about. See the holes? That's why it's just a theory. Want to talk the "big bang?"

[OttawaAnon1001]

Fruit flies do not lose their immunity to pesticides over time. The only way that would happen is if the pesticide immune flies where at a disadvantage to the non-immune flies once the pesticide was removed from the environment.

[hunchbacked]

The atheists don't hate the fundamentalist christians; they just pity them for being so deluded.

[yonoid88]

Christians feel the same way about athiests hun.

[hunchbacked]

I'm not even an atheist, I'm a christian, but not a fundamentalist one; I believe in evolution; I don't believe in the god of the creationists; my god has much more spirituality, he is more immaterial.

[scotzbhoy]

If you don't believe in the creationist God, you don't believe in the God of the bible. So how can you claim to be a Christian?

[Rythmboy]

If you truly are an atheist, I wouldn't trust you as my friend or as a police officer. Since you don't have a soul, you can pretty much fuck anybody and not face punishment after death. Atheists are dangerous animals. People beware and stay away from atheists. They're crazy beasts. Keep em in cages.

[hunchbacked]

How can I claim to be a christian?

Because I believe in the message of the christ, because I can sense the goodness in that message; I also think that, as the bible has been written by men, it is not directly god's message, so it's up to the men to find out where god's message is in it.

And I can only find this message in the new testament.

Being a christian is not literally believing the bible for me, it's before all the essence of Christ's message.

[Kingpin301]

Christ's message was also written by men in the four gospels, but they were inspired by god, which means god spoke through them the same way he spoke through every other person who wrote part of the bible. Now you also need to understand that Jesus Christ referred back to the old testament many times. So you can't simply throw it out. Read Colossians 2:8. Do not let the evolutionists spoil you with their unproven THEORY of evolution.

[hunchbacked]

Sorry, even if we admit that the bible has been inspired by God, absolutely nothing proves that parts have not been added to the bible.

Remember that God leaves his freedom to man, if you read correctly the new testament; that means that man can also add parts to the bible; it's then up to men to sort out what really may be inspired by god, and what has been added to the bible and doesn't seem inspited by God.

[sleaze2555]

basically i think this is gay as and why the fook would u ever make this video.get a life u queer.hahahahah

[BobbyxRevolution]

not trying to be mean or anything because your attempts are noble but what right does one man have over the other in regards to 'sin' murder is murder and nothing can justify murder but self defense. sin is moral dogma. if i were to deliberately steal a piece of gum from my friend then should i be put to death because 'thou shall not steal' would make me a sinner

[ShaundalynChic]

You need to study a bit more. You are confusing "kill" and "murder".

[CrucieFiction]

Here's over 400 ("supposed") bible contradictions you can play with.

tinyurl[dot]com/yu33x5

Your book is a collection of psychobabble.

[CrucieFiction]

God says, do not kill!

Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.

Exodus 23:7 The innocent and righteous slay thou not.

Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20

 Do not kill.

Matthew 19:18 Thou shalt do no murder.

[CrucieFiction]

God says kill!

Exodus 32:27

Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

(God has the people kill each other for dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf.)

[CrucieFiction]

God says kill!

Numbers 15:35

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones.

(The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him.)

[CrucieFiction]

God says kill!

1 Samuel 15:2-3

Thus saith the Lord of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare him not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

(God orders Saul to kill all of the Amalekites: men, women, infants, sucklings, ox, sheep, camels, and asses. Why? Because God remembers what Amalek did hundreds of years ago.)

[scotzbhoy]

Just as I said in this video; there could e no sin in Israel. God commands that no-one deliberately and knowingly sins in the holy place.

[CrucieFiction]

No, the books clearly contradict each other (as also demonstrated in the 405 contradictions link I posted).

What you're doing is simply accepting the twisted logic of Christian apologists whose careers (wealth & power) are on the line along with all purveyors of this sick nonsense. You dismiss all sound logic and reason when you ignore the actual & consentual meaning of words in order to make excuses for your cult's twaddle.

The bible God killed an estimated 33+ million

tinyurl[DOT]com/2aahmn

[scotzbhoy]

I wouldn't trust that website if I were you. They clearly have not read the bible.

[CrucieFiction]

Again, no, "they" clearly have read it. What isn't considered in their figures, is all the many groundless excuses and manufactured embellishments to which you cling. That is, the later additions attached to all the ridiculous fables and events by centuries of apologetics trying desperately to salvage an ancient creed that's becoming ever more irrelevant as our species and our knowledge of the universes advances, leaving your book of tripe in the ignorance and dark caves from which it emanated.

[scotzbhoy]

They have not read the bible. This is shown in their very first "contradiction".

They claim that two different verses talk about the same person killing people in battle. The first verse they give is not even the right verse. The "contradictory" verse talks about a different person killing a different amount of people in battle.

[CrucieFiction]

So you're not even talking about the link I posted today on God's killings, but rather the link I posted a day ago on contradictions.

The contradiction on the 300/800 number killed by David's chief of captains is the same person as both verses are immediately followed with

1 Chronicles 11-12 And after him was Eleazar the son of Dodo, the Ahohite, who was one of the three mighties.

2 Samuel 23-9 And after him was Eleazar the son of Dodo the Ahohite, one of the three mighty men with David

[scotzbhoy]

That doesn't say that Eleazar killed the men. The 300 killed in 1 Chron were killed by Jashobeam, an Hachmonite. The 800 of 2 Sam were killed by Adino the Eznite (in a different verse to the one given on the website.)

[CrucieFiction]

And so as each story accounts of all the same things except that David's Chief of Captains in one book gives a name with a fantastic claim of single-handed kills at one battle which differs from the name and number in the other book -- and keeping in mind that each version gives the same name of the man that is "after him" -- then it only speaks more so to a compounded contradiction of name AND number killed. The bible is a poor work -- a series of plagiarisms from previous religions' fables.

[DiMagRocks]

CF, go back to reading the intellectual pornographers that you've been reading (i.e, Achy, Icky, and Max) and leave the kid alone.

[CrucieFiction]

You mean I should not wake the kid out of his delusional coma? Unlike the purveyors of superstitious insanity who have already succeeded in neutralizing the kid's critical & logical thinking mind (as is yours) through childhood inculcation -- the last legal form of child abuse.

[DiMagRocks]

All you're doing is rambling on his comments (as am I of course, but my rambling is in spite of you, ;))

You have yet to specify what he said that was untrue or inherently flawed. It's like reviewing a book on amazon and completely forgetting about the contents of the book while also babbling about the same basic topic.

(and yes, I do use 'excrement' quite often in my posts. It fits in with the morons I talk to here.)

[DiMagRocks]

And you clearly have not demonstrated any flaw in his video thus far. All you've done is put the excrement you call intellect on display.

The kid may be a Creationist, but when he's right he's right.

[CrucieFiction]

Defeat is tough to accept, no doubt. But one who considers the intellect to be as excrement (as you've also commented elsewhere), your mind is a vast wasteland of fantasy and therefore cannot deal with, or even recognize, reality.

[DiMagRocks]

Uh, no, I said your intellect was the rough equivilant to excrement because your posts are a virtual wasteland.

The fact the you endorse Acharya S. (bullshitter extraordinaire) should really make you stop before you try to determine fantasy from fact.

[DiMagRocks]

And you clearly have not specified any flaw in his reasoning/video thus far. All you've done is put the excrement you call intellect on display.

The kid may be a creationist, but when he's right he's right.

[DiMagRocks]

I would recommend Tektonics, it goes on to refute every single one of those under Pico Search.

[CrucieFiction]

It may TRY to refute, and may even convince those who want & NEED to believe so, but the crooked game of apologetics is incapable of pulling the wool over those who recognize the actual & consentual meaning of words & sentences from that of doublespeaking con artists. Apologetics is the means to effectuate the triumph of intentional deceit and imaginative excuses over sound critical reasoning and plain common sense within the minds of dimwitted and credulous fans.

[DiMagRocks]

So by the same logic, your website may TRY to point out bible contradictions you may fail as well.

[DiMagRocks]

LOL!

Apologists are accused of twisted logic, when the moron you read can't get peer-reviewed if her life depended on it, and basically feels obligated to dine 150 year old sources while snubbing anything after the first World War?

[CrucieFiction]

ROFLMAO!

You're a pathetic waste and not worth my time.

Get down on your filthy knees you worthless slave, and clasp your hands together as if bound by rope, then pray, and plead, and beg of your imaginary slave master in the sky to heal your mashed brain or miraculously send you a new one via angel delivery.

[DiMagRocks]

Very clever. :)

Still waitin' for you to refute any one thing he said in the entire video, tweety.

[CrucieFiction]

As your silly and weak little god suggests, eat dung!

/watch?v=usivhvOhOV4

[DiMagRocks]

You just stay that way forever, Forest. :)

[coonkiller92]

CrucieFiction you are p ethic

[CrucieFiction]

When you encounter reason and logic, you can't handle it, and so all you can attack me with is I'm, "p ethic(?)".

Nor can you tolerate evidence that your silly book is nonsense, full of contradictions, and wrong about nearly everything it claims to be true about our world/universe. That's why you had to BLOCK ME -- just stick you fingers in your ears and cover your eyes to protect yourself from everything that dares to challenge your inculcated delusion of a universe rooted in make-believe.

[DiMagRocks]

We've heard it before ya dumb jackass. Now shoo. Go back to TruthBeKnown where intellect runs low and mental masturbation high. :)

[CrucieFiction]

This is for you, Bud...

/watch?v=MSoM2_LBbXc

Oh, and be sure to buy D. M. Murdock's new book out soon, "Christ in Egypt: "The Horus-Jesus Connection".

[DiMagRocks]

That's nice. :)

Yes, I've heard of Achy's book. If I hear it's as horrendous as SoG, (I bought that and not the Christ Conspiracy because apparently it was *expanding* on the shit presented in the first one) then you'll have me take a rain check there.

[ShaundalynChic]

Deut 5:17 "You shall not murder."

Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder."

Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery,....'"

Luke 18:20 "You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, ..."

Still waiting for "do not kill".

[howdoiusername]

I think I can hear the sound of barrels being scraped...

[jitterycoffeedrinker]

Where in the bible does it say that biblical law is partitioned into three general categories: moral, ceremonial and civil?

Not bashing, I'm genuinely curious where you got your information from.

[scotzbhoy]

It's not actually in the bible. However, from careful study, biblical scholars have been able to look at what God says about the laws and divide them up into these categories.

[jitterycoffeedrinker]

They made things up because they didn't want to obey the teachings of what you consider the word of God, in other words.

[scotzbhoy]

Sorry, are you an experienced bible scholar? If not, then what gives you the authority to question those who are?

[jitterycoffeedrinker]

Oh, an appeal to authority.

You do not want a simple sentence to mean what it actually states so you want "scholars" to interpret that for you?

Which ones? The Vatican scholars? The Protestant scholars? The Mormon scholars?

According to your belief, the bible was written under God's direct inspiration, whereas biblical interpretations are not.

Their interpretations are flawed because they are not divinely inspired, unlike the bible.

[DiMagRocks]

How do you interpret this? (hehehe.)

But seriously, his point is clearly true. It's agreed upon by both secular and religious scholars.

[ScottishAtheist]

Scotz people tend to get annoyed when you insult their intelligence. When you post religious nonsense you must expect a critical response. If you didn't want to receive negative comments, close your comments sections!

You'll notice that is what other creationists do, mostly because they cannot stand being corrected.

If you have received nasty comments then obviously that doesn't help, but don't confuse "hateful" comments with honest correction. It may sting just the same, if not more.

[scotzbhoy]

When did I insult anyones intelligence? If you actually look at the comments for my videos you will see how much hate (not critical responses or honest corrections) I actually get. Because the usually hateful atheists have actually been quite positive in my previous video, I simply felt the need to address this and thank them.

[ScottishAtheist]

Pretty much every video you've made "proving" the bible creation story with science. You claim authority on this matter and the validity of your sources. Clearly you do not expect viewers to look for a 2nd opinion because even a cursory check on the actual science leaves your proofs sorely lacking in merit.

My advice to you is continue believing in your faith by all means, but don't rely on science to back your position, you'll come a cropper every time. Pope John Paul II accepted evolution!

[scotzbhoy]

And Darwin renounced it, does that make it untrue?

I have never claimed authority over anyone, I have just tried to turn others to the lord as much as possible. I am always willing to accept the possibility that evolution might be real if conclusive evidence is shown.

[ScottishAtheist]

Darwin did not renounce his theory on his death bed, this is a creationist urban myth. Nice try but very old.

It was known for many years before Darwin that animals had changed over time, what Darwin did was propose the reason why, Natural Selection.

Regardless, if Darwin had never even discovered it, another man Alfred Wallace was hot on his heels, in fact it was this man that forced Darwin's hand (Darwin had asked for his book published after his death for the sake of his wife)

[ScottishAtheist]

Evolution as it is understood today is vastly more complex than Darwin could have known. Still the theory he proposed has stood the rigors of science. It is the bedrock of modern biology. Whether you like it or not, humans share a common ancestor with the great apes.

What testify's so strongly to this is the relationship we share at a DNA level. Through molecular biology we have the strongest proof. Forget fossils(they're nice though!), we have DNA evidence.

Science uses it and it works.

[PineMartinAmerican]

To be honest, I think you have never sinned. I cannot imagine you ever committing a sin.

[PineMartinAmerican]

Would you like to debate Christopher Hitchens? In fact, would you like to read his works? Who wrote the Bible? Did the early Jews think the Bible was without error?

[doctorh2005]

well done bro!! keep it up! :)

Brother Dave from Wales :P