I'm just not big on anger and insults, that's all. My "cunt of a cunt" was a bit of irony. If some are fortunate to be more intelligent, knowledgeable, shouldn't they help those others that aren't so lucky? Don't you want to spread this good stuff? Then it's got to be love, not anger.
not to mention that all this music sounds very much the same. theres really no difference from listening from one song to the next. this music dont go anywhere from beginning to the end. if you say it does you're really just putting meaning into something that has none because you want it to. im not saying its bad because im not used to it for dont understand it, but because it doesn't go anywhere or have meaning other than "this music is creepy". not that that's terrible... it's only an effect.
@miniatureface I think getting involved in youtube comment debates about music is kind of pointless, it's just personal preference. But I want to weigh in saying that I genuinely enjoy this music. I have listened to tons of atonal music, and there really are huge differences from piece to piece and composer to composer, this music sounds COMPLETELY different from other atonal composers like xenakis, fernyhough, whatknot, there are very real differences in the sound.
@miniatureface Like any kind of music that at first seems unfamiliar (I had the same experience getting used to metal style vocals) It can seem abrasive and worthless at first, but you can totally get used to it. I don't think its creepy. To me this music is relaxing, I get the same feeling of tranquility that I get from debussy from this music. I'm not trying to sound sophisticated, I really like it. Also, all music is only "an effect" people always impose meaning on music they like.
@miniatureface this piece is "gorgeous" or "heart wrenching" or "makes me think of my girlfriend", are all as much "effects" as "this is creepy". I'm not trying to tell you you are wrong, just that there are people who really get something out of this music and other music like it, and you shouldn't say that they are putting in something that isn't there, because all music listening is just interpretation. sorry for the rant.
seriously? why is everyone saying this mess of notes is a masterpiece. it's not, it's an effect. similar to abstract art as phillyt2020 put it. how could anyone consider this person a genious? all of his music has the same eerie, disgusting sounds of notes that go everywhere. i'm not saying it's terrible as an effect, but thats all it is, an effect. not a master piece. a masterpiece implies that everything about it is perfect and it could be done no other way. this is definately not the case
It does not matter that he used Messiaen's modes of limited transportation. Does that mean every single piece created in the past couple of hundred years that use modes or well-tempered tuning are repeticious garbage ?
Anybody who compares this to abstract art is a fucking moron. I love Takemitsu, he creates these pure textures with a hint of french impressionism. I don't like his music because it is "artsy". This is not the video to be posting your rants because you don't understand something.
As far as this being "something someone else has done"...no. It is not by any means. Takemitsu is his own beast, even Stravinsky knew that.
PhillyT2020; the less a person understands something the more angry they become at those who do understand. There's no big secret here, you simply have to throw away any preconceptions or expectations and listen to the music on its own terms. If you are unable to do this, fine-go and listen to some country music or read a comic. But please don't put up posts suggesting that everyone who likes what you don't is fake or pompous because that is unfair. Cunt.
@swirls999.... hahaha for your information swirls... I'm a classically trained singer... been a part of professional opera groups...performed in countless musicals and stage productions... and play the piano (albeit not amazingly)... I absolutely hate country music for different reasons that I won't get into here... saying that I do not understand this type of music is also wrong... i've taken multiple university level music theory classes as well as music appreciation courses.
@swirls999 I've studied and heard atonality musicians before... as well as any music style you can imagine for that matter including Gregorian monk style.... I DO understand this music and STILL it is terrible... I do not like music that in my mind any single person could recreate/produce something similar without having any musical background... my 5 yr old cousin could churn this crap out.... just like cut and paste hip hop music or rap can apparently be made by anyone 'Friday song'.no talent
@PhillyT2020 If you can't hear the difference between this and what your 5 year old cousin improvises, then you don't know what you're talking about, no matter how much you protest that you do.
@PhillyT2020 Atonality musicians? Atonal music is a part of the standard repertoire for all instruments in the symphony orchestra. Do you think all composers that worked with serialism managed to bluff past us all? Hiphop and Rap.. Breakbeat is the word youre looking for i think, look up some of the more experimental stuff for example DJ Shadow, J Dilla (his last album, donuts), MF Doom.
Which composerts of the 20th and 21st century do you enjoy listening to?
@PhillyT2020 Each artist has its own right. At least you acknowledge it as music, but generally atonality is not something a singer understands. There is an essence here, use the title and imagine the trunk, limbs and how it sprawls around the tree, he is drawing it with notes. (I am a singer as well, but i focus in Piano, and I know for a fact that my singer counterparts do not enjoy atonal music nearly as much as I do.)
@PhillyT2020 What the fuck are atonality musicians and what the fuck is Gregorian monk style? InsertName125 is bang on; if you really are a trained musician you will, no doubt, have been trained in writing pastiches as part of your composition training - try writing 4 bars of piano music in this style and put it up on youtube, go on - I dare you. Oh, and while you're at it why don't you write a rap and perform it on youtube - now there's a much easier offer; apparently anyone can do it. Tool.
@bluepianopoet Oh, do fuck off. Swirls' comment is letter perfect.
It's no mystery why certain people don't understand certain things: they lack certain cognitive capacities. No exploratory effort need be made to flesh out one's theory of mind on this score.
Some of us who *do* possess uncommon faculties are quite sick of maudlin levelers and their emetogenic admonitions that we tactfully pretend intelligence has been evenly distributed.
Ok I will classify this piece as similar to abstract art (or now abstract modern art)... Just because a famous person backs up this garbage doesn't mean it has any merit... I've seen artwork that contains a bunch of small discolored dots and people love that shit... mainly because they think they are sooo artistic... when in reality its being pompous, smug and just fucking worthless... If you actually enjoy listening to this... you are probably in an insane asylum.... FUCK
Ok I will classify this piece as similar to abstract art (or now abstract modern art)... Just because a famous person backs up this garbage doesn't mean it has any merit... I've seen artwork that contains a bunch of small discolored dots and people love that shit... mainly because they think they are sooo artistic... when in reality its being pompous, smug and just fucking worthless... If you actually enjoy listening to this... you are probably in an insane asylum.... FUCK
Ok I will classify this piece as similar to abstract art (or now abstract modern art)... Just because a famous person backs up this garbage doesn't mean it has any merit... I've seen artwork that contains a bunch of small discolored dots and people love that shit... mainly because they think they are sooo artistic... when in reality its being pompous, smug and just fucking worthless... If you actually enjoy listening to this... you are probably in an insane asylum.... FUCK
I am generally very irritated at dissonance, but this piece engenders in me that same odd sensation one feels when some small but painful poke or prod upon our bodies creates an almost pleasurable and addictive sensation within the pain.
This is the perfect alliance between the East conception of the floating worlds and Debussy's aesthetic. It is also true the french composer was fascinated by far Asian musics. Takemistu is definitly a great master in refined simplicity.
The title is a nice aperture into the piece, as it references undulating patterns in a larger form. The word "sketch" denotes something unfinished, music meditation process in practice.
Hermoso ♥
FiatObscuritas 1 day ago
And I'm going to play this, this semester! And that makes me so HAPPY!
pianocanival 2 weeks ago
I'm just not big on anger and insults, that's all. My "cunt of a cunt" was a bit of irony. If some are fortunate to be more intelligent, knowledgeable, shouldn't they help those others that aren't so lucky? Don't you want to spread this good stuff? Then it's got to be love, not anger.
bluepianopoet 4 months ago
This is really frightfully beautiful... the ability to paint pictures and portray moods with notes in an unorthodox way is something special...
PaulSims99 4 months ago
Oh, and not that saying ALL singers don't understand, just a majority of them prefer more relief in their music.
christophbell2 6 months ago
From what I know, this Rain Tree Sketch is far more difficult to play than the Rain Tree Sketch II.
Both are beautiful, evocative works that sound like wind chimes stirring in unstable weather.
Vook 6 months ago
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Samnjl 9 months ago
I play this music not so slow. But it's played in a sooo good way that it really doesn't matter here... Takemitsu ♥
Syliam86 10 months ago
not to mention that all this music sounds very much the same. theres really no difference from listening from one song to the next. this music dont go anywhere from beginning to the end. if you say it does you're really just putting meaning into something that has none because you want it to. im not saying its bad because im not used to it for dont understand it, but because it doesn't go anywhere or have meaning other than "this music is creepy". not that that's terrible... it's only an effect.
miniatureface 10 months ago
@miniatureface I think getting involved in youtube comment debates about music is kind of pointless, it's just personal preference. But I want to weigh in saying that I genuinely enjoy this music. I have listened to tons of atonal music, and there really are huge differences from piece to piece and composer to composer, this music sounds COMPLETELY different from other atonal composers like xenakis, fernyhough, whatknot, there are very real differences in the sound.
Samnjl 9 months ago
@miniatureface Like any kind of music that at first seems unfamiliar (I had the same experience getting used to metal style vocals) It can seem abrasive and worthless at first, but you can totally get used to it. I don't think its creepy. To me this music is relaxing, I get the same feeling of tranquility that I get from debussy from this music. I'm not trying to sound sophisticated, I really like it. Also, all music is only "an effect" people always impose meaning on music they like.
Samnjl 9 months ago
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@miniatureface this piece is "gorgeous" or "heart wrenching" or "makes me think of my girlfriend", are all as much "effects" as "this is creepy". I'm not trying to tell you you are wrong, just that there are people who really get something out of this music and other music like it, and you shouldn't say that they are putting in something that isn't there, because all music listening is just interpretation. sorry for the rant.
Samnjl 9 months ago
@miniatureface "theres really no difference from listening from one song to the next. this music dont go anywhere from beginning to the end."
That's because you're not used to this kind of music, so it all blurs into one. Once you've get accustomed to it, your ears become more finely tuned.
And for example, there IS development in this piece. Just listen around 1:29. That's a significant point in the work.
RogueRotting360 9 months ago
seriously? why is everyone saying this mess of notes is a masterpiece. it's not, it's an effect. similar to abstract art as phillyt2020 put it. how could anyone consider this person a genious? all of his music has the same eerie, disgusting sounds of notes that go everywhere. i'm not saying it's terrible as an effect, but thats all it is, an effect. not a master piece. a masterpiece implies that everything about it is perfect and it could be done no other way. this is definately not the case
miniatureface 10 months ago
The picture looks like he lacks sleep and this couples with the music. Sorry if this sounds offensive to anyone. Just saying this for fun....>.<
Asdatale 11 months ago
I like this ... some of the most 'dream-like' musc I've ever heard . Intriguing
salcarusomusicvideo 1 year ago
It does not matter that he used Messiaen's modes of limited transportation. Does that mean every single piece created in the past couple of hundred years that use modes or well-tempered tuning are repeticious garbage ?
Theuniverse053211 1 year ago
Anybody who compares this to abstract art is a fucking moron. I love Takemitsu, he creates these pure textures with a hint of french impressionism. I don't like his music because it is "artsy". This is not the video to be posting your rants because you don't understand something.
As far as this being "something someone else has done"...no. It is not by any means. Takemitsu is his own beast, even Stravinsky knew that.
Theuniverse053211 1 year ago
@Theuniverse053211 "Takemitsu is his own beast, even Stravinsky knew that." Game recognizes game.
TinAnchor 9 months ago 2
PhillyT2020; the less a person understands something the more angry they become at those who do understand. There's no big secret here, you simply have to throw away any preconceptions or expectations and listen to the music on its own terms. If you are unable to do this, fine-go and listen to some country music or read a comic. But please don't put up posts suggesting that everyone who likes what you don't is fake or pompous because that is unfair. Cunt.
swirls999 1 year ago 22
@swirls999 You're so deep.
amorpaz1 10 months ago
@amorpaz1 Thankyou
swirls999 4 months ago
@swirls999.... hahaha for your information swirls... I'm a classically trained singer... been a part of professional opera groups...performed in countless musicals and stage productions... and play the piano (albeit not amazingly)... I absolutely hate country music for different reasons that I won't get into here... saying that I do not understand this type of music is also wrong... i've taken multiple university level music theory classes as well as music appreciation courses.
PhillyT2020 8 months ago
@swirls999 I've studied and heard atonality musicians before... as well as any music style you can imagine for that matter including Gregorian monk style.... I DO understand this music and STILL it is terrible... I do not like music that in my mind any single person could recreate/produce something similar without having any musical background... my 5 yr old cousin could churn this crap out.... just like cut and paste hip hop music or rap can apparently be made by anyone 'Friday song'.no talent
PhillyT2020 8 months ago
@PhillyT2020 If you can't hear the difference between this and what your 5 year old cousin improvises, then you don't know what you're talking about, no matter how much you protest that you do.
InsertName125 7 months ago 3
@PhillyT2020 Atonality musicians? Atonal music is a part of the standard repertoire for all instruments in the symphony orchestra. Do you think all composers that worked with serialism managed to bluff past us all? Hiphop and Rap.. Breakbeat is the word youre looking for i think, look up some of the more experimental stuff for example DJ Shadow, J Dilla (his last album, donuts), MF Doom.
Which composerts of the 20th and 21st century do you enjoy listening to?
KunkkaFart 7 months ago
you are a disgrace to humanity and art, you hold up the stereotype of stupid vocalists
13irdo 6 months ago
@PhillyT2020 Each artist has its own right. At least you acknowledge it as music, but generally atonality is not something a singer understands. There is an essence here, use the title and imagine the trunk, limbs and how it sprawls around the tree, he is drawing it with notes. (I am a singer as well, but i focus in Piano, and I know for a fact that my singer counterparts do not enjoy atonal music nearly as much as I do.)
christophbell2 6 months ago
@PhillyT2020 What the fuck are atonality musicians and what the fuck is Gregorian monk style? InsertName125 is bang on; if you really are a trained musician you will, no doubt, have been trained in writing pastiches as part of your composition training - try writing 4 bars of piano music in this style and put it up on youtube, go on - I dare you. Oh, and while you're at it why don't you write a rap and perform it on youtube - now there's a much easier offer; apparently anyone can do it. Tool.
swirls999 4 months ago
@PhillyT2020 Where is the inauthenticity in experiencing this work positively?
bungleminge 1 month ago
@swirls999 shouldn't you try to understand why others don't understand. Cunt of a cunt.
bluepianopoet 4 months ago
@bluepianopoet Not when some pompous cretin tries to imply that I'm somehow a pretentious fake because I like Takemitsu's music.
swirls999 4 months ago
@bluepianopoet Oh, do fuck off. Swirls' comment is letter perfect.
It's no mystery why certain people don't understand certain things: they lack certain cognitive capacities. No exploratory effort need be made to flesh out one's theory of mind on this score.
Some of us who *do* possess uncommon faculties are quite sick of maudlin levelers and their emetogenic admonitions that we tactfully pretend intelligence has been evenly distributed.
Unapologetic elitism is a good thing.
polymath7 4 months ago
@swirls999 Hear, here.
polymath7 4 months ago
@swirls999 i think the cunt was unnecessary o-o
UrExC3pT1oN 3 months ago
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Ok I will classify this piece as similar to abstract art (or now abstract modern art)... Just because a famous person backs up this garbage doesn't mean it has any merit... I've seen artwork that contains a bunch of small discolored dots and people love that shit... mainly because they think they are sooo artistic... when in reality its being pompous, smug and just fucking worthless... If you actually enjoy listening to this... you are probably in an insane asylum.... FUCK
PhillyT2020 1 year ago
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Ok I will classify this piece as similar to abstract art (or now abstract modern art)... Just because a famous person backs up this garbage doesn't mean it has any merit... I've seen artwork that contains a bunch of small discolored dots and people love that shit... mainly because they think they are sooo artistic... when in reality its being pompous, smug and just fucking worthless... If you actually enjoy listening to this... you are probably in an insane asylum.... FUCK
PhillyT2020 1 year ago
Ok I will classify this piece as similar to abstract art (or now abstract modern art)... Just because a famous person backs up this garbage doesn't mean it has any merit... I've seen artwork that contains a bunch of small discolored dots and people love that shit... mainly because they think they are sooo artistic... when in reality its being pompous, smug and just fucking worthless... If you actually enjoy listening to this... you are probably in an insane asylum.... FUCK
PhillyT2020 1 year ago
@PhillyT2020 its experimentation mann, moving on from the conventions, whats so good about doing what someone else has done?
Robbledinooo 1 year ago
@PhillyT2020 ok?! lol
asemanasa 1 year ago
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The98thPsalm 1 year ago
This is very interesting. It doesn't sound strange at all.
velyogendra108 1 year ago
I usually love the performances you post, but this one is way off the mark when it comes to pacing. It's way too slow.
BachRocks314 1 year ago
this music is very scary for me
bornneya 1 year ago
Toru Takemitsu.....feels like saturday night after a windy afternoon storm has passed through town........
ZJProz 1 year ago
I am generally very irritated at dissonance, but this piece engenders in me that same odd sensation one feels when some small but painful poke or prod upon our bodies creates an almost pleasurable and addictive sensation within the pain.
sacredrage 2 years ago 2
Gorgeous piece
RLBscoring 2 years ago
This is the perfect alliance between the East conception of the floating worlds and Debussy's aesthetic. It is also true the french composer was fascinated by far Asian musics. Takemistu is definitly a great master in refined simplicity.
RADIOKLOW 2 years ago 13
this is awesome...
EMG1992 2 years ago 2
The title is a nice aperture into the piece, as it references undulating patterns in a larger form. The word "sketch" denotes something unfinished, music meditation process in practice.
audiovisuality 2 years ago
Nice music.
emilygclarinet 2 years ago
great post!
PiaNonuTT 2 years ago 2
i wish i knew the thinking behind this piece... this guy and messian blow me away harmonicly
joebassplayer 2 years ago 2
brilliant, amazing posts
tvdeathhour 2 years ago 2
this piece is great and so is rain tree sketch II
TheEarlOfDublin 2 years ago