Stephen Harper: Death Toll

[lucy9359]

the guy on the bus who chopped off someones head under our current legal system got off because they said he hadn't taken his medication and he was crazy...this is worse than bringing back the death penalty...in cases where someone has raped and or killed someone in these extreme cases where children are taken like in the Torry Staford case I am all for the death penalty what was done to that little girl was the death penalty what was done to the inocent man on the bus was the death penalty..

[fuckyou334]

Im tired of paying unseen taxes on my scotch bottles for immigrant explusions, prisons, stuff like that - And the fucking stupid queen or pope coming dates. stupid fucking country of stupid world order horsecrap.

[fuckyou334]

I don't want death for some1 like Robert pickton that killed 49 womans. I want Heavy sadistic torture without stop - and pay per view on television to see them been tortured - the rules are: the one that put the most money on a murderer wins , but He can't kill him - Just torture, as long as he wants, on pay per view, than, another rich man switch to torture him.

[canada4life1944]

We cannot allow death pentaly, well police practice the reid technique, atleast 27% of guilty pleas turn out to be innocent, that includes rape/murder charges, theyd all be dead before being able to be proved innocent, all because police interrogate them for hours, and worse yet, lie about evidence that does not exist. disgusting.

[canada4life1944]

Murder, does not justify, murder, besides, the rest of your life in prision is WAAAY more brutal than being sentenced to death, thats like what 2 weeks of agony compared to how many years of just rotting behind bars... wasting, doing absolutely nothing but thinking of what you did, for years, untill you die. The law is meant to rehabilitate, not put down disgusting criminals, whats more rehabilitating then rotting in prison till your death.

[pizzy1032]

Another Canadian value that is in danger of extinction under our present inept government. Let's get rid of the bums!

[Loonieburger]

Yes, it is perfectly acceptable for Canadians to be executed in other countries where the death penalty exists. You break the law, you pay the price. Should we, by extension, allow other nationals to do what they want here (think 'honour' killings amongst others) without fear of punishment?

Give your collective moronic heads a shake.

Oh, and bring back the death penalty in Canada!

[MGman800]

No one is going to vote Liberal over the death penalty. Besides, they wouldn't do anything like the Conservative party is doing now.

Vote for the runner up instead.

[PhilipJFry72]

This video is disgusting.

The LIBERALS allowed the same thing to happen many times, and the names are available...

Do some research on Atif Ratay and Glen Burns...

Also, the Conservatives are saying that clemency is not automatic. That is ALL. If you murder two natives for a thrill, you don't deserve clemency.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

Or are the lives of two natives not equal to the lives of two white people?

[denonbladedododo]

so what? you only shoot people when there is full proof.

[scottyross00]

First there can never be full proof, video can be edited, witnesses can be wrong and dna could be mistaken. Second execution is wrong.

[denonbladedododo]

sjur ther ken and nou its not

[estesoyojajaja]

@scottyross00 why is it wrong?Because you are executing a criminal, a murder? Stop protecting Murderers, the have to pay, in the name of all those who have been victims of a crime or who have had a relative killed....BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNSHMENT TO CANADA!!!! Vote Conservatives.

[teradsaionoanion]

@estesoyojajaja What? Please leave our country. We are trying to end violence in all of its forms. We refuse to use our tax dollars to kill each other by firing squad. It is 2011, let's move beyond the Middle Ages.

[estesoyojajaja]

@teradsaionoanion why should i? Because i say teh true? Because io am not an ignorant like those liberals6 The Harper government is doing the right thing. Bring back the Gallows and whit it...the Rope!!!!

[teradsaionoanion]

@estesoyojajaja That's funny, but seriously we do not need to execute people. The Liberals aren't great but Harper's a disaster.

[BoredomCorner]

@denonbladedododo That's funny, the RCMP has shot and killed people for no reason, and tried to bury the proof of that.

[ItsKKs]

Well you know what. If you screw up in an other country you better pay up for it.

Just cause you belong to Canada doesnt make you excemt from others laws.

Hell some places you'd get shot on spot if you did somthing wrong.

[scottyross00]

No it doesn't make you exempt, but Canada used to get those sentences commuted, now under Harper, Canada let's canadians get executed.

[one199]

"used to get those sentences commuted"- not always.. we FOUGHT to get them commuted, now we aren't fighting anymore IN DEMOCRATIC countries(we still fight for canadians trapped in crazy countries). this is more of a foriegn policy than a domestic one. I am very much against the death penalty, but if you go down south or to Japan, and do something stupid, we should't stick up for you if you were convicted.

[scottyross00]

Yes always. Democratic countries make mistakes. If we don't give the authority to kill us to the Canadian government why should we let other governments?

[hetman11]

i hate liberals

[scottyross00]

That's sad that you are so blindly partisan you don't use reason.

[mikefastener]

Actually, due to proven liberal corruption, he has a very solid reason on his side. We do need to Stand up for Canada!

[scottyross00]

Regardless of the fact you're now repeating arguments I showed wrong, your putting words in this guys mouth as well. Where is the reason in saying you know his motivations? And what can justify hate?

[mikefastener]

Again, twisting the points to your own partisan point-of-view. Please s_l_o_w_l_y re-read my post--I said he had a reason...not that this was his reason.

Apology awaiting...

(Also-I have yet to see anything from you except tired old liberal slogans attempting to defend a corrupt party.)

[scottyross00]

Yes you said he had a reason, yet it certainly is possible he had no reason, so who are you to say he had one and you know what it is? Again, where did I say one Liberal slogan?

[mikefastener]

Apology....?

[scottyross00]

What was the insult?

[scottyross00]

Mikefastener: You resort to name calling over and over again. You can't seem to discuss what this video is actually about but decide to rant about the Liberal Party. In future occurances, try to be civil and rational.

[scottyross00]

Mikefastener: If you say lie-bral one more time I'm blocking you. It's not against free speech, I'm all for it, that's why I allowed it, but it hasn't contributed to rational discussion, and it's clear your doing it for pure sophistry.

[ultradumbass]

execution is wrong, at no time should someone be executed, not worth taking alife for wrong doings especially since it can be an innocent man.

[scottyross00]

Since 1972 Canada has stood up for Canadians abroad who have faced the Death Penalty. Liberal and Conservative Prime Ministers did what they thought was right. Stephen Harper has changed almost 40 years of Canadian tradition, providing no reason other then political spin. I dare anyone to find one reason why the Conservatives broke 40 yrears of tradition of doing whats right.

[scottyross00]

Vote Liberal not because you should stand up for Canada; vote Liberal because it's the best party for Canada. If you want a Party that gives you no reasons for it's decisions then expects you to agree with them because you should 'stand up for Canada' then vote Conservative. But asking to agree with them because you should stand up for Canada is like asking you to agree with them because you're breathing.

[mikefastener]

Sadly, lie-berals were always screaming in the House of Commons that they represented "Canadian Values". When Canadians saw how corrupt the party was, they were in shock and wanted someone to Stand up for Canada. Luckily, they made the right choice.

[scottyross00]

So Librals, oh and by the way, Conservatives and the NDP have all shouted Canadian values, you know why? Because Canadian values weren't used to justify anything, they aren't an end to themselves, no one says agree with us because of Canadian values. Canadian values differs to each party, "Stand Up For Canada" isn't open to interpretation, because its universally true. Using it in an argument is false support.

[mikefastener]

Obviously, I've hit a nerve here (happens everytime someone peels back the layers of the onion of liberal political motives). Stand Up for Canada resonated with Canadians because they saw the liberals helping themselves to tax payer money. If only the liberals loved Canada as much as they loved themselves--they would still be in power.

[scottyross00]

Obviously? You hit what nerve? Here's a little comment purely from myself, you are whats wrong with politics. You argue (which can be very productive) but you do so with no substance. So YOU think sponsership was a big deal and I think it was wrong, okay so what? You can keep blaming a Party for a past mistake, or you can blame your own for its current one.

[mikefastener]

I blame a Party for lying, coverups, bribes, corruption, thief...and wasn't our current (so called) leader of the opposition a member of that gov't? (Excuse me...but, if you don't think the sponsorship scandal was a big deal--you need to seriously think about where your loyalties are--Canada or the liberal party.

[scottyross00]

So? So was 140 other individuals, that has no rational connection of any consequence. Again, you are just talk. No substance.

Sponsership was fully investigated into. If you still have a problem, then you're doubting our legal system. It's you who should question you're own loyalties.

[scottyross00]

I don't think Stephen Harper is evil or has bad intentions, I believe he's misguided either by members in his party or by perhaps a belief to do something that believes is right at all costs; the problem arises when such a belief is rationally and morally wrong.

[ludvikaus]

The recent decision on the part of the government simply makes it clear that if you break a law in another country such as the USA, you face the consequences. Regarding the murderer in Montana, there's no doubt about his guilt.

[scottyross00]

As opposed to Canada's stance for 40 years, that Canadians don't get executed period. Executing Canadians goes against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, if this is left standing, what's to stop other countries from abusing Canadians rights? And What the US doesn't make mistakes?

[ludvikaus]

The problem with many people is that they want to extend numerous rights to criminals such as the right to vote in elections yet they seem to have no concern for innocent victims. I'm not a supporter of the death penalty, but I know that many countries around the world have it and must respect their laws whenever I visit them. For example, if a Canadian is convicted of drug trafficking in a country such as Malaysia or Singapore, he/she needs to know that the death penalty is a possibility.

[scottyross00]

Yes they need to know such laws, but just because there are those laws, doesn't mean they are right. The death penalty isn't right in Canada, just as it isn't in Malaysia, legal doesn't equal right.

[scottyross00]

Our citizenship does not end when we leave our country. Canada protects its citizens aroud the world, you are suggesting we don't. I believe that to be wrong.

[truthmongeror]

A reminder of what a monster Stephen Harper is, and a reminder that Cons poster boy Diefenbaker would be just as disgusted at his actions just like the rest of Canada.

[ouraprat90]

Evangelists say they're pro-life, but most of them are in favour of the death penalty. it's called hypocrisy. Harper would love to turn Canada into a mirror- image of the U.S. That's why he's so obsessed with winning a majority.

[ma7799]

There is a difference between good and evil. Protecting murderous scum is hypocrisy, because you are preserving evil hidden behind a human body. Support the death penalty and quit hiding behind rhetorical arguments.

[scottyross00]

Yeah what were we thinking of backing our conclusion with logical arguments? You are so right ma7799. What we should do is what you do and just say "evil, scum, bahh, support death penalty, evil, bahhh."

[scottyross00]

How about you actually have a little bit of reason in your comments instead of sophistry.

[mikefastener]

Very interesting.... so if you oppose the death penalty---you must be pro-life--right? Otherwise it would be called hypocrisy. No one was ever more obsessed with winning a majority than Paul Martin under the lie-berals--you could even see his eyes bugging out during his speeches!

[scottyross00]

No, pro-life is actually a position in reference to the debate over abortion. Being against the death penalty has nothing to do with being for or against abortion.

Really is that why Paul Martin resigned after the election? Show me one picture of Paul Martin's eyes "bugging out."

Your really grasping at straws. It's pathetic.

[mikefastener]

Explain your reference to your friend ouraprat90 above, he/she tried to tie abortion to the death penalty. I simply pointed out their hypocrisy by switching the point-of-view.

Pictures of Paul in the election-with arms waving that everything was a priority. Terrifying to see--I thought he might have a heart attack any minute!

Grasping at straws is what lib-erals have been doing as Canadiasn now see an honest gov't. "Pathetic" actually summarizes lie-beral hypocrisy fairly well-thank you.

[scottyross00]

So you direct a statement to me, of which has nothing to do with me, and expect me to respond to it?

Then when pressed about providing any evidence to support you're Paul Martin accusation, you change your story, now it's his arms waving scarily.

Not only that but you resort to calling names, "Lie-bral", which is anything but rational. That is beyond pathetic.

[3846232]

HARPER IS DANGEROUS TO OUR COUNTRY.

[mikefastener]

Lie-beral corruption is dangerous to our country!!! Let us make sure that someone, "Stands up for Canada" rather than standing up for their bank account!

[scottyross00]

Yes, I agree the Conservatives in their election fraud scheme deserve to be kicked out of office. It's disgusting how they transferred money between the National office to local campaigns to exceed election financing laws.

[mikefastener]

My-oh-my...all transferred funds were recorded, audited and available for CRA review. It is not disgusting, but, simply a dispute with the Elections Officer (a liberal appointee by-the-way).  What is disgusting are liberals giving away taxpayer money behind to closed doors for bribes. You cannot compare the two situations.

[scottyross00]

The Conservatives openly tried to collect money illegally from Canadian Taxpayers through collecting rebates from their election fraud. I don't know what bribes your talking about, I think you're referring to Sponsership, but it wasn't bribes it was illegal patronage. So I agree you can't compare the two. One incident is happening under our current gov, while the other was investigated and happened over 12 years ago.

[mikefastener]

You are right, you can't compare the two. One incident happened in darkened restaurants, was hidden, was criminal and became the greatest corruption scandal in Canadian history. The other was handled above board, records kept and available for public scrutiny.

I can't imagine how any fair minded individual could compare the two!

[scottyross00]

I don't mean to point to any ignorance or hyperbole on your part, but the Pacific Scandal was the greatest political scandal in Canadian History, and that was done by the Conservative Party in the 19th Century. Fact- Two non-government liberals were found guilty in sponsership. Fact- Over 70 Conservative Candidates, among whom 30 are MPs are being investigated for fraud.

[mikefastener]

I believe it is debatable on which scandal was the greatest--how about a compromise--anyone in the governing party who was in gov't at the time of either of these scandals immediately resign? Sounds fair and would be standing up for Canada. By-the-way, even spin doctors differentiate between lie-beral "found guilty" and Conservative "being investigated" (not even charged). Surely we agree on that!

[scottyross00]

Actually it's not debatable. Pick up a Canadian History Text book.

Standing up for Canada isn't a reason to do anything, unless you think people are unpatriotic and don't care about Canada. Instead of motivating people by a vague useless statement how about using a little reason? And yes they differentiate, but those Conservatives admit to the acts that are illegal.

[mikefastener]

Please tell me which Canadian History Text book performs a comparison of the two scandals. If "those Conservative admit"...why is the issue still in dispute? Easy question for you: Was Paul Martin standing up for Canada by flying foreign flags to avoid Cdn taxes? (Hint-Yes or No is all that is needed.)

[scottyross00]

Every Canadian textbook makes the comparison by saying the Pacific scandal is the greatest scandal in history, period. You can keep changing the story by adding your partisan digs at the Liberal Party but you are just a blind partisan, who has no concept of reason.

[mikefastener]

The vast majority of textbooks were written before this disgusting lie-beral corruption shame. So again, which book performs the comparision?

Did you forget my question about Paul Martin or just ignoring facts?--a typical left-winger tactic.

[scottyross00]

Here's a tip, google "greatest scandal in canadian history" tell me what you find there huh buddy?

[mikefastener]

My friend--"every textbook" as you said and I am still waiting....

(You will soon tell me you saw it written on a washroom wall!)

Hint: Don't get angry--you made the statement and now are back-tracking. Look in the mirror before you blame anyone.

[scottyross00]

Where did I back track? I said every History Text book had it it, and they do. Find me one history textbook that doesn't. But I bet you searched though didn''t you? Isn't funny when your wrong?

[LaUniePassion]

The greatest scandal in Canadian history would be the CPR Kickbacks aka Pacific Scandal under the MacDonald (Conservative) Government in the late 19th century.

[mikefastener]

"statement to me"--don't get excited since it was directed to your friend above...please relax.

I haven't changed my story (a claim often used by left-wingers losing auguements)--I simply added that bug-eyed was also waving his "everything is a priority" arms.

"lie-beral" is actually pretty accurate based on them voting down the own campaign Red Book---your response? (Take a deep breath first.)

[scottyross00]

Two words about lying, Income Trusts.

Now your changing the focus on the Red Book and Liberals voting against it, all this from an earlier rant you did on Paul Martin, which itself was predicated on a previous rant. Do you have Attention Deficit Disorder? This is a video on the death penalty, not a soap box that you so desperatly need.

[mikefastener]

Obviously you are dancing on the head of a pin (and, frankly, you keep slipping off). Let's see--your def'n of "lying" is Income Trusts in 2 words; yet, I could say Sponsorship Scandal, GST, FTA, DayCare, etc, etc.---say the 1000's of words in the Red Book. You challenged my phase "lie-berals" and I have now justified it. End of story?

[scottyross00]

The Liberal Party never lied with Sponsership, Paul Martin is the one who wanted an investigation. Again, as I've said before, just as Canada changes with every different government, so does a Party. The Liberal arty has changed Leadership. The Conservative Party has the same liars it had leading it as it did a year ago.

[mikefastener]

Excuse me...but Dion was in cabinet during the liberal corruption and claimed he knew nothing (as did Martin). Martin and Dion were either lying or incompetent--it has to be one or the other. Martin called for the investigation as Canadians were "screaming" for answers--he had no choice. By-the-way, nice fumble--you never addressed the GST, FTA, DayCare, Red Book--it appears you agree they were lying on those issues.

[scottyross00]

It has to be one or the other? Do you know what "reason" is? It does not have to be one or the other. No one can know everything that happens in a government. If you are saying Dion or Martin are guilty of anything, call the cops. I agree IN THE PAST the Liberal Party renagged on certain promises, just as I agree the current Conservative Party is renagging on promises now.

[mikefastener]

Again, please read your own postings--you are the one that specifically labelled it one or the other (ie. a Conversative definition).  My goodness, try to stay on track (or re-read the posting history each time before you respond).

[scottyross00]

Yeah I said Conservative definition ie a poor definition.

[scottyross00]

FYI, because you lack the ability to provide any evidence, I said: "Really? That is a Conservative definition. I'll leave you to your shallow definition of patriotism built on partisanship." How does that even imply I sanction or apporove of such a definition?

[mikefastener]

Simple question--Do you think liberal corruption and a liberal millionaire PM flying foreign flags to avoid income taxes so other, poorer Canadians, have to pay more is Standing up for Canada?

Yes or No.--(Still dancing on the head of that pin and slipping off?)

[scottyross00]

How about responding to my comment instead of going off on a tangent. If you want a place to rant, this isn't it.

[mikefastener]

Please keep the insults down (typical liberal tactical when backed into a corner).

Are you going to answer the question?

(By-the-way, check the posting history--I asked you this a week ago and you still have not answered.)

[scottyross00]

Where did I insult you? I won't answer you when you go off topic, as you did a week ago. If you want to rant go write a blog.

[mikefastener]

Are you going to answer the question!!!???

[scottyross00]

If you want to talk about what this video is about, or even discuss politics rationally, anyone can write here. If you want to rant and accuse people, go make a blog.

[mikefastener]

Please don't make fun of the subject of ADD--it is not a laughing matter!

You use the typical lie-beral "drive-by smears" tactical and then call them rants and off subject if someone challenges them. Suggestion: Take a course in debating if you intend to continue to attempt to defend the lie-beral party (certainly a failing cause).

[scottyross00]

I never made fun. It was a legitimate query. I needed to know so I could shorten my sentences for you to understand.

Please review every comment I've made. I always responded, it is you who keeps bringing up items outside the scope of this very video.

I am a person first, I'm a Liberal because of my liberal philosophy.

I warned you about saying "lie-bral" but you just kept calling names.

[mikefastener]

Rather than shorter sentences, I suggest you lengthen your attention span. Deliberately forgetting liberal corruption doesn't make it go away. Please, think about the country and not your entrenched ideological beliefs. The liberals have the same old boys that were in during the corruption days where Canadians became ashamed of their government.

[scottyross00]

No actually they don't. Stephane Dion-New. Michael Ignatieff-New. Bob Rae-New. Gerard Kennedy-New. Then look at all the MPs and senators that have retired and stepped down in the last year. Compared to the Conservatives where Harper trained under Mulroney.

[mikefastener]

Uhhhhhh....Dion new?

Very Simple Question: Was Dion in the government when the proven liberal corruption occurred? (In fact, I believe he was in cabinet--tell me, was he?)

[scottyross00]

He was. Was Dion Leader? No. Was Dion in any way connected to sponsership? No.

[mikefastener]

I believe Dion was the Quebec Lieutenant in Cabinet during this time. So he must have been incompetent not to know what was going on.

I noticed he consistently supported the actions of Chretien and Martin and did not resign—so there is no way you can call him, "New". He is part of the same old-guard.

[scottyross00]

Stephen Harper was in government, indeed you think the Conservatives would have or should have known about sponsership as they are the opposition and their job is to scrutinize, yet they aren't even the ones who wanted an investigation, it was Paul Martin.

[mikefastener]

Bad fumble here....Conservatives did not have access to the books that Dion would have had.

Paul Martin was forced into the investigation by Canadian "screaming" for one--don't give him credit for doing something he had no choice but to do.

(I think they call this Check and Mate.)

[scottyross00]

Yes the Conservatives did, everyone in Canada actually does, it's called freedom of information. Canadians weren't calling for an investigation. Paul Martin did have a choice, and he chose an investigation. The guilty were found.

[mikefastener]

I only wish liberal supporters would drop the insults and get angry at the own party and demand the liberal party change from their tired old buddy system ways. These supporters should not lash out at other, less partisan individuals who point out the liberals' failings and that another party is showing is it better.

[scottyross00]

Where did I insult anyone? If you can not provide me insulting you, I will block you. I do not like someone accusing me of misdeeds.

[mikefastener]

Maybe you should block me--I have very easily out-debated you. Don't feel badly, you are defending the indefensible. (Note that I describe liberal supporters--are you one? I thought you were balanced!)

[scottyross00]

Again you don't respond. I always said I was a Liberal party member. I also said I value reason above everything. I repeat, please state the insult I laid against you.

[Gillhoolee]

Yup! it's that time of year ..."Tory Time", please set your clocks back 50 years.

[mikefastener]

Remember, when it was "lib-eral time", the lib-erals stole our clocks!!!!

Time to stand up for Canada (not lie-berals).

[scottyross00]

I don't even know what that means.

What does it mean that Liberals stole your clocks? What does it mean to stand up for Canada? Every Canadian stands up for Canada, regardless of party affiliations. You can use vague truisms all you want, but I actually base my decisions on reason not pointless statments.

[mikefastener]

"stole our clocks"--see Gillhoolee comment.

What does it mean to stand up for Canada?--Glad you asked--no passing of envelopes full of my money for lie-beral causes, no flying of foreign flags on ships to avoid Cdn taxes, doing what is right for Canada, not necessarily the lie-beral party. Understand now?

[scottyross00]

Really? That is a Conservative definition. I'll leave you to your shallow definition of patriotism built on partisanship. Standing up for Canada is defending it from those who threaten to weaken our democracy, standing up by being an example to the world in every industry and sphere, like the economy and environment. It's doing whats right in any circumstance. But you are a sad individual, that sees Canada as a means for your Party.

[mikefastener]

I'm glad you clarified your point-of-view. So, passing of illegal funds, avoiding Cdn taxes and doing what is right for Canada (not the party) is specifically a Conservative definition of Standing up for Canada! My goodness, give your head a shake--are you telling everyone here that lie-berals are saying all of these acts are okay??!!

[scottyross00]

What are you talking about, read my comment. Do you know what rationality is? Please point to where I said that the Liberals said those acts were okay?

[mikefastener]

Simple, I wrote about a few liberal acts that Conservatives found shameful and were not Standing up for Canada. You pointedly say that this was specifically only a Conservative def'n of Standing up..., meaning not a liberal one.

[scottyross00]

No I didn't. I said Standing up for Canada is a general truism, and I quote, " "Stand Up For Canada" isn't open to interpretation, because its universally true. Using it in an argument is false support." Yet you continue to use it....Need all the 'false support' you can get huh?

[xtremeleafan]

The death penalty is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment. It violates the right to life. It is irrevocable and can be inflicted on the innocent. It has never been shown to deter crime more effectively than other punishments.

[12233445566abc]

Question: Since Harper's party is full of Evangelicals, why do they like the death penalty? What about the commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill"?

[quexalcoatl]

This isn't an issue that is party-sensitive though conservatives tend to be a bit more sneaky and everything they do has a motive that you don't see at first. It makes no sense for us to allow people to be killed by other countries while we ourselves don't practice this. be on the lookout for a hushed change in that policy.