While this is an old video, I have to point out: even people who are poor can't always get Medicaid. Nowadays they have giant wait lists and many people sit for years uninsured on said wait lists. Just a little tidbit.
See, my mum had really bad stomach aches for a while. And was quite thin. Eventually her aches got so bad she needed to be taken to the hospital, and turns out she was a coeliac. My brother had bad pains near his kidneys and was given medication. I just don't see why you would pay for that.
@SeanTheOriginal only 29 countries have universal healthcare? Something is surely wrong with the world.
Also, both my brothers have epilepsy (an incredibly expensive illness, requiring an emergency medicine that costs around £80 for about 2ml) and, if the NHS didn't pay for it, my family would literally be living on the street, or both my brothers would be dead because we couldn't afford the medicine. That is why universal healthcare is a brilliant idea, and the main reason I love living in En
As a teen who has/had Ulcerative Colitis, I definitely feel for Hank in this matter and am so glad that this Health Care reform was passed! Now if we could just get specialized medical expenses to be covered for families who work in corporate companies i.e. Lowe's.
Right, and this is all great and stuff for Hank, but doesn't it put other people at a disadvantage? Or more of a disadvantage than they are at now? (sorry if I'm wrong, I just wanna know.)
amazing, I am not rich poor old or young, don't work for a big company (self employed) and have ALWAYS had good health insurance. So you my friend are ignorant. Most people work for small business and most have health care
@beckmansgrandpa The notion that "most" people having health insurance is a good thing is ridiculous. Why do we spend the most on health care per capita but still have the 37th best healthcare system in the world?
The Left's arguments for a public option or some form of socialized care completely omit the fact that American HC is comparatively more expensive simply because of exorbitant insurance pool risk due to an INSANELY unhealthy population. In America, the poorer you are, the more obese you are, contrary to any other developed country. Forcing public liability for personal irresponsibility is yet another recipe for a bankrupt entitlement program, and could only perpetuate increasing costs.
@thereinliestherib You wear the cost one way or another anyway, if someone goes to the emergency ward and dies or goes bankrupt from the care they receive the cost gets passed onto everyone else anyway and that sort of treatment is far more expensive than preventative measures that people could take if they had insurance.
@BlackLabelEric Then why does good health never get any play as the only and best "preventative measure"? The healthy carry FAR lower systemic risk than the overall population, and microscopic risk levels compared with the 40%+ of obese, smoking Americans. Why should they be forced into an overtly discriminatory scheme? It's like saying good drivers should pay for the coverage of drunks because it's their "right" to drive, responsibility be damned. You would support such a system.
@BlackLabelEric Your point is fallacious because it forces the assumption that all those who consume health care or require insurance are equal in terms of risk, which is blatantly false given the distribution of cost/risk in America. Many who are uninsured can't afford insurance ONLY because we are priced out of the market by mandates and rising pool risk because of fatasses and smokers--we COULD afford insurance at our own risk level, but we aren't allowed to.
@thereinliestherib Are you done yammering about levels of risk yet? that was not and still is not my point.
You pay for high risk people - public option, regulations or otherwise - due to the fact that deceased estates and bankruptcies that lead to unpaid medical bills are costs passed onto others.
@BlackLabelEric So what? You're still assuming that within this market of transactions, all people carry the same risk, which is patently absurd. The primary reason the US spends so much on HC is because we are an insanely unhealthy country. Another effect of this is a radically disproportional distribution of risk which forces the healthy and responsible to endlessly pay more and more at unreasonable rates to offset the added cost of the obese, addicted, and unhealthy. Its ridiculous.
@thereinliestherib I'm not assuming that at all, it just makes no difference if people carry different levels of risk because you'll wear the costs one way or another if they can't afford to pay.
So once again I say: you've missed the point, try again.
@BlackLabelEric Now the difference in risk, "makes no difference"? There's a contradiction in terms. Its open knowledge that the healthy and responsible in this country carry FAR lower risk than the unhealthy majoirty--that's why Obamacare is so dependent on the mandate and other buying restrictions. Many, like myself, could afford insurance at our own risk level, but others have driven costs to unaffordable extremes. Would you pay for some drunk's car insurance??
@BlackLabelEric Uh, you've haven't addressed a single on of my points. Fact is, the primary reason US HS is expensive is because of skyrocketing pool risk due to an obscenely unhealthy country. The result? A radically disproportional distribution of risk under which the healthy and responsible are required to pay more and more to offset the inherent risks of a 34% national obesity rate. That's why all Obamacare does is spread liability, and VERY much to the "evil" industry's advantage.
As opposed to spreading the liability the way you currently are, by increasing health costs for everyone due to deceased estates and bankruptcies not paying. The current situation is that the costs are a huge risk for small business owners and employees - which is the source of job growth in America - it's a good economic move to make it possible for these people to get health insurance.
@BlackLabelEric "As opposed"? Except that Obamacare's primary practical function is to spread liability. You're still ignoring the fact that abyssmal US health stats, and thus skyrocketing insurance pool risk, are the biggest reason for increasing HC costs. If you want to play the macroeconomic card, then such an analysis is wholly incomplete if you don't account for the loss of productivity, marketshare, and other effects of an unhealthy workforce. Its a primary cause of outsourcing, so...
ou share the risk by a universal healthcare system or you share it by paying more than the procedures actually cost because the providers never see their payment due to deceased estates, bankruptcies, etc.
The risk is getting shared so long as emergency rooms treat people without proof they can afford to pay, emergency room care is way more expensive than if the problems leading to it are treated. Of course without insurance people won't seek preventative care due to $.
@BlackLabelEric Preventative care is BS. Its just code for doctors being able to make double their money by finding more problems and requiring more coverage. Its no different than trial lawyers who argue that the amount and overall economic costs of lawsuits will somehow decrease if we just loosen up the requirements for filing lawsuits. Once again, the only real, proven "preventative care" out there is good, responsible health, and I don't see any trade groups lobbying for that--do you???
You assume a lot about something you don't understand, preventative care is things like screening for cancer, blood tests to show mineral deficiencies and a bunch of other activities that allow for diseases to be dealt with before they become a big problem - emergency surgery is usually far more expensive than elective.
With a lot of illnesses you can appear healthy and be getting more sick.
Also I don't see why you bring up what trade groups lobby for, it's irrelevant.
@BlackLabelEric You're citing an unrepresentative example in order to make an overall claim about the efficacy of "preventative medicine" in reduction of costs. Needless exams are a significant administrative source of unnecessary HC costs, and all you're really suggesting is that we should have more exams. Like I said, I don't see or hear any talk of good, responsible health being preventative medicine, even though it is the only really successful form of it.
You're assuming that cutting expenditure is the only goal in health care if you're legitimately arguing against things like prostate exams and pap smears. May as well not have cancer treatment at all if we're going to do away with early detection mechanisms given how ineffective late stage cancer treatment is.
It's also very short sighted, if people get serious illnesses detected early they can go back to work after and keep paying taxes, which will easily cover the costs.
@BlackLabelEric You're assuming mathematical advantages that aren't even readily provable. Like I said, the ONLY proven form of "preventative medicine" is good diet and regular exercise. If these were required, then yes, I would support what you're saying, because the costs of the unhealthy FAR outweigh the costs of rare, congenital illnesses. I don't see any Rx's lobbying for what would effectively reduce their marketshare, do you???
@BlackLabelEric A root problem lies with the theoretical perspective taken by empirical, epidemiological studies. In the Rx view, we are all presumed to be ill; the only phenomena within its scope of inquiry is illness, which pre-empts their ability to even see or define "good" health despite its enormous influence. This is why we tend only to treat the effects of illness, rather than illness itself; an illness that for most Americans is simply poor health and crappy choices.
What alternative position you're actually supporting is highly unclear; you've completely missed the boat on what preventative care is meant to be about (things like cancer checks, blood tests, blood pressure and weight) if you're against that sort of thing but want a healthy populace then what do you propose?
Do you assume people are going to look after their own health with no assistance?
That's the current plan, and with 16% of GDP spent on health it's not working.
@BlackLabelEric I'm defending my rights, not venturing some ideological plan. Claims about the cost efficacy of preventative medicine are purely theoretical, and rarely supported by any statistical data. IOW, its just another way for the industry to require more coverage and more cost to the consumer. All I want is more awareness of the reality of poor personal health and its direct effect on others health costs--the economic collectivism inherent in our HC scheme obscures reality.
@thereinliestherib No... that is wrong. Preventative care is cheaper, and is better for you, so this probably is a HUGE part of explaining why Europe pays less yet gets more. Because our doctors don't care about profit. its all about whats best for the patient. if you sell health as a product, then you want your customers to be in your doors more, paying more, using all your equipment... this I believe simply explains the problem with the USA system. It doesnt care about preventing sisease
@TheSelfishAltruist What a stupid statement--Europe pays less specifically because Europeans are healthier, which highlights my point. You are absurdly misled--preventative care is the INDUSTRY's argument for increasing costs and spreading risk, rather than constraining it. No doctor is going to bang down your door, kick the cig out of your hand, and tell you to get off your fat butt. "Preventative care" is forcing people to take responsibility for themselves, not a fucking poster campaign.
@thereinliestherib You've got it the wrong way around. The health system as a whole is responsible for overall public health, if the people are unhealthy its because the system is failing. We are healthier because our family doctor keeps on top of things, such as weight, smoking, hormones, immunisations etc... This is all a part of health. But even so, the UK is the fattest nation in Europe, and we still manage to provide 100% coverage for free, for half the price. Theres more to it then obesity
@thereinliestherib No.... you are not so unhealthy that you need to pay double the UK. These are the facts...a nd boy do they hit home obvious points. Im not here with an ideological agenda, I just want what works. The UK pays 8% and covers everybody for free. You pay 8% from gov, 8% from your pockets... 85% insured only, and you need to pay, meaning obviosuly the poor will miss out.
Our system is cheaper, fairer, and delivers better. We are a fat smoking country as well so thats not the issue
@TheSelfishAltruist Actually, overall UK rates of poor health are just over half those of the US--your point? You pay less for healthcare because your country is healthier (though hardly as healthy as the rest of europe), not because of your "system". Now compare your natl health/costs to Scandinavia--see a trend? I would actually support more socialized care in the US if the country was healthy. But here, you're the exception if you can see your toes over your belly. It's gross.
@thereinliestherib No! you pay more for healthcare, because the system is so inefficient and does not actually make you healthy, it means you are more likely to get chronic conditions, and therefore require expensive treatment. Don't you see that the system is responsible for your health, so if your health is shit... its because the system failed. I think we disagree on a important principle here... I think the health system is responsible for your overall health, including how fat you are.
@thereinliestherib Here's the rub: In our system, there is a direct correlation between wealth and health, because care is so expensive, as well as other health-promoting things like nutritious food, belonging to a gym, etc. We need to do a better job of preventative, primary care, which will reduce the cost burden of disease complications. In other words, it's a lot cheaper to help grandma take care of herself than to wait till she winds up in the hospital; it's also better for grandma.
@caprafan Total, absolute bullshit. I've been poor my whole life, which has made me healthier because of work and because of the fact that nutritional foods is CHEAPER than junk, both in terms of quality and quantity. Your argument is total garbage without any facts. Your argument is the industry's argument, so they can get more money, more consumer leverage, and more power, when personal health is directly tied to personal choice, plain and simple.
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
America's health system is just strange for me. A lot of Americans say they don't want a system like the British one (NHS which ROCKS btw. It has helped me a load of times) as they don't want socialism. BUT YOU HAVE SOCIALIZED EDUCATION, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND POSTAL SERVICES! This throughly confuses me and the rest of the world. As much as I love you America, you can be damn stupid.
@MsIdontmakevideos I can assure, not all of America is like that. In my opinion (as a Democrat, mind you) that the real problem is that the Republican politicians are more focused on themselves and as most of them are of the richest 2% they are opposed to something like this that require them to pay their fair share. I agree on this point, but I don't think it'll be changing any time soon. :/
@MsIdontmakevideos As an American who wants the British system, thank you so much! Socialism needs to be less of a scary conservative buzzword and more of a real thing that people should understand and hold complex opinions on.
@MsIdontmakevideos The NHS does not rock -- I am a US citizen living here in the UK and the quality of the healthcare over here definitely inferior to that of the United States.
That said, I fully advocate socialized healthcare because the potential drop in quality is mostly irrelevant... The point is that a person's wealth should not determine whether or not they are allowed to receive care; care that is, in many cases, essential to their pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
@sileb13 Surely the fact that as an American in the UK, you still have the same rights and healthcare available to you as a British citizen. The NHS is by no means perfect, but how many things that are over 60 years old are? The point is we need to improve on it, not just say "It's broke! Next plan please!"
I know this is an old video, but I wanted to comment anyway. I know how it is to be stuck in the middle like Hank. I come from a Middle Class family, but I myself do not make enough money to support independent health care, do not wish to work for a big corporation in order to obtain health care, but do not qualify for the government stuff. My medication and expenses are WAY to costly to come out of pocket...and there are a lot of people in this situation. Whats the right answer???
Finally someone who actually explained this shit to me. Thank you. I've always been against the whole government healthcare thing partly because no one would ever really explain anything about it to me. You did and thank you! Finally I understand!
first off montana IS a liberal state. it wasnt thirty years ago. but because land is so cheap there and because land is so expensive in california. many californians have taken over the state and started enacting california style laws. ie no smoking in bars. open container laws. lowered the speed limit etc. 2nd off poor hank. now that he is a business owner he has to pay for the health insurance of all 30 of his employees. as per the new health care bill. or fire ten employees. or take the fine.
I'd consider myself a libertarian but I also feel that socialized health care is a form of national defense and thus not properly handled commercially. Good video. My wife also has colitis but up here in Canada her generic pills are $36/mo and her insurance pays 100% of it. If she had the public insurance it would be 80%
State Government partnering with Private Insurance companies = Private Insurance Companies assuming non-profitable risks because any 'losses incurred' will be subsidized (wholly or in-part) by the Government . Hank sounds great but but I still don’t want to front his insurance premiums. I could tuck away an extra $100 a month toward my ‘business dreams’ too if the Government would cover my outrageous Car insurance premiums; but I don’t see, or expect that to happen any time soon.
very well said! I do hate to say that even though this is great for the people who "need" it...it will still get abused like every other government funding (welfare, food stamps, unemployment) They were created to help the people who needed help getting out of a bad situation, but instead "some" people use it to become lazy and then get into a downward spiral that never ends and keeps them under government funding for their entire life...and keeping us "hard workers" paying for their laziness.
Well there's a slight problem with that argument. There are federal regulations that state a business must be XX members (in CA is 17) then they are within the federal window. There was also a push by insurance companies to have a mandate put in that a company has to be (in CA again its 25) XX people working before a business can get a discount on selling insurance. If congress can get rid of those then your brother and anyone building a job can get health care at a business rate.
if he lived in Denmark, the hospital would not see him as a investment, buy as the poor guy he is who needs help. im not saying the way we do it in Denmark is the right way, but im pretty glad that i know im save no matter how ill i get, because all treatment is free
I'm an American and I like a lot of things about this country, but this is ridiculous. More money moves in and out of this country than any other, yet we have the health care system of a 2nd tier industrialized nation. Canada's unemployment rate is usually double that of the US, but they have a population that doesn't feel stifled by the high tax rate there and yet the the government still has enough tax dollars for public health care. Health insurance companies have held us down long enough.
@juju52291 what they should do is just abolish the whole idea of insurance and pay out of pocket. prices would have to come down. the only reason they are as high as they are is because insurance pays without questioning. and doctors charge too much because they run EVERY conceivable test to avoid being sued. if a mechanic tried to do that he would be thrown in prison for thirty years.
I'm terribly late commenting on this video, but I will anyway. This is a great video. Informative, to the point, presenting the case in an easy-to-understand manner for everyone.
Thanks for making this video, John! I love that I get to broaden my knowledge of the world thanks to you guys.
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Ok now I really like the Vlog Brothers but life is about choices my grandfather has gotten cancer three times and he has health care so hank you could have health care as well you need to dish out some cash but you can get it. Hank you can also get a job in a company that has health insurance because now almost 80% of businesses have health insurance. It’s all about choices and sacrifices. You chose not to work for someone else but it is not like you could not get health care.
@WaterChick70 You're absolutely right. Hank can go work for a big company. But because our health care system evolved to encourage people to work for big companies, we've stifled the kind of economic growth through entrepreneurship that has for so long driven the growth of jobs in the US. As long as our system discourages small businesses by making it impossible for people with preexisting conditions to start them, we'll slow economic growth unnecessarily. -John
@WaterChick70 Whoa,you are not absolutely right because Hank RUNS Ecogeek. "Small businesses is the engine that drives job growth in America..they're talking about Hank." So:
A. Hank is doing something very important by providing jobs to people in our bad economy
B. Jobs in big businesses are not always available
c. Also, you forgot to address the idea if the statistic that '80 % of business have health insurance' include big and/or small business for you point to be valid to John's video
@WaterChick70 yes the only problem is that alot of companies lay you off if you are sick for more than what would require you to be a "full time worker"
Instead of a government option, wouldn't government oversight and regulations on the insurance companies be a better idea? Doctors can deny medicare and medicaid patients so they would be able to do the same with a government program if the reimbursement was just as crappy as those two programs.
Instead make it illegal for insurance companies to drop people simply because they get sick, eliminate lifetime caps, stop pre-existing conditions from preventing coverage.
@freedomunrestricted Well, this is functionally what the health care bill that passed will do. (It also subsidizes some people's insurance coverage, which should actually save the gov't money, because gov't ends up paying for tons of emergency care after bankruptcies and stuff.) The problem with this strategy is pre-existing condition clauses, which are the only reason health insurers are profitable...
@freedomunrestricted So if you don't have to have health insurance, and there are no preexisting condition clauses, you can just wait until you get some extravagantly expensive disease and THEN sign up for health insurance. This is a huge problem that the bill that passed congress actually doesn't deal with very effectively, so we'll see whether that puts a strain on the financing of health care. -John
@freedomunrestricted Stop Insurance companies from being able to discriminate against applicants based on pre-existing conditions? Well, that would solve that problem; except that every insurance company would go bankrupt by next Monday! How about we initiate a government plan where: if you are looking for a baby sitter; you have to accept the application of any/all convicted, violent felons who want the job? Do you think we’d have more people employed; or less people hiring?
The health insurance lobby is one of the largest lobbies in Washington, right along with the pharma industry. One issue that came up is for the PHI industry to compete across state lines. I know for a fact that if they had wanted to do that, they would have. As long as their is profit for in healthcare, healthcare will be a complete failure. They have lobbied extensively on issues that would cut in to their massive profits. The CEO of BC/BS makes $200,000 a day. Death to them all!
YAY it got passed not lets fight to keep it. stop the republican from tryin to repeal it VOTE for anyone with good morals and who stands for the healthcare bill
At a recent staff meeting, the hospitol I work for outlined health-care for us and announced the budget cuts to come. They went step-by-step and showed how
'health care reform" is going to cost them 75 billion dollars. The question is, who is going to suffer as a result?
I had UC. Had because I had surgery to remove my bowl. I have access to both public and private healthcare. During the many years I had specialist and doctors visits they were all covered by health insurance. Medication was subbed by the government. When I needed surgery I had the option of private or public. It turned out to go public the wait was the SAME as private. So instead of paying for the same surgeon to do the same op I went public! Oh and my insurance is only $30 a month!
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Oh ma Gawd! Barrok Obama is a durty comminist tryin to get helth care to por peoples oh shit we better pray to Sarah Palin and hope Ronald Reagan comes back as a super zombie to save us or we iz all doomed!
I'm not going to pay for insurance. I'm trying to grow my business and I'm negotiating hiring about 3 people. Guess what? Not gonna hire 3 people and not gonna pay for insurance because I can't afford it. I'm not poor enough to get aid, but i'm not wealthy enough to afford forced insurance. They're gonna come after me with fines. How did we end up like this?
A regional service manager for a small business service company stood up and said, that due to taxes a huge percentage of small business undercapitalize and put a cap on their own gross earnings, SO THEY WON'T GO INTO THE NEXT TAX SLOT. That means, they don't hire people... etc. So as not to go into the next tax slot. And she said this is widespread.
How do you think this bill will reflect in small businesses. They have already said businesses will start firing people.
@iown5fags Okay, wow. I think, along with most sane people, that it's the government job to maintain a person's health, because they're job is to care for our rights and health care shouldn't be a priviledge.
I saw your comments on the ShaneDK video and was impressed by how well you were doing. He kept throwing insults and CAPITALIZED WORDS at you and you keep your cool and keep coming back with intelligent answers.
Well I'll bite and sub, hope to hear more from you.
Also I'm an American suffering from a lot of health insurance issues and Shanes video offended me somewhat because health insurance even with his changes wouldn't help me.
I think the answer is to take away government health care from the old and poor. It is unconstitutional. I don't want to pay for you brother's health or anyone elses. That is thievery! How about your family does that.
Hank should move to a different state. In my state we have more than 600 health care insurers fighting for customers. My wife has had cancer a number of times, I've had ongoing problems that cost more than Hank's...
And we both were able to shop around and get good coverage...she's self-employed, and I chose a coverage other than what my employer offered.
A lot of states "regulate" insurers to the point that nothing is available...let's do away with that and compete across state lines.
I meant, allow the 1,600 plus insurance companies to compete nation-wide instead of allowing states to create artificial monopolies in trade for lobbying dollars. That is allowed in my state and we have great coverage options...even pre-existing conditions. The more they are forced to compete...the better the deals...like any product or service. Get rid of artificial barriers and we won't need so-called "reform." But it's hard to do.
@professorofliberty - I hope you are kidding! If the PHI industry had wanted to compete across state lines, they would have done so long ago. I don't think you know how powerful they are, both in your state and in Washington.
Again, they have been murdering people for profit for WAY too long. I don't know how anyone working for a PHI company can sleep at night! Don't shed any tears for them, they make billions of dollars profit.
From your tone, and your use of childish and overused leftist cliches, I would guess you're beyond rational discussion of an issue...the seeking of facts...and the pervue of logic to come to rational conclusions.
I was on the board of a large public health hospital for some years, and oversaw a number of research studies on medical insurance affordability and competition. My view of the issue is based on reality and experience...not on repeating what I'm told by an assortment of dope heads.
All I know for sure is that my son-in-law pays $750.00 for him and my daughter. Ford pays the other $750.00. And I guarantee you if one of them got really sick we would have to hire an attorney to have the insurance company pay. I also guarantee that they would raise their rates if one of them got sick. Again, PHI companies have been murdering people for profit for WAY too long now. They murdered my brother. (I don't sugar coat anything, they are murderers!)
And I know my spouse and I are self-insured. I pay under $200/mos and she is under $400.
15 years ago her cancer cost our insurance carrier over $800 thousand...and they paid out. Her doctors put her odds of surviving at 15%...and they still paid out. I'm sure they weren't tickled about it...but it was what they contracted to do.
A point of semantics: not paying for someone's health care is not murder. You need to learn English...and your son-in-law needs to shop around.
@phillipmarch22 There are many people who think the insurance companies are the saviors of all. they don't want Government health care. I suggest you make it a point to tell your story to the tea parties and Christians.
To urban! You know your stuff! Private health insurance companies are the biggest lobbyists in Washington and they have been murdering people for profit long enough. My oldest brother died because his private health insurance company refused to pay for treatment. My brother was too proud to ask the rest of the family for help. Don't think it can happen to you? Think again!
CBO stats its totally UNSUSTAINABLE just like this administration..Unsustainable.....
The dude showed his hand and has no more street cred...Its not just about stupid blummercare, but all the socialist policies that are CLOWARD PIVEN 15 years outdated....
That's why all those DEMS keep doin the SCOTT BROWN SCATTER like they started after the coak croaked in mass w/ scott brown victory haunting them rite out the door
Hank! move to canada and take your business with you... create jobs in Canada! it's cheep plus you don't have to provide healthcare for your employees caus the gov does that for you...
Taiwan and Singapore has best medical care system in the world, 99% coverage, high quality, and they are government run with less than 5% GDP budget. Do some research other than Canada and Brits. Come on my fellow American, let us fix the healthcare for our children sakes!!
Health care should NOT be provided by a for profit company. Get rid of the greedy insurance companies with their extravagant CEO salaries and preexisting condition.
You DO NOT WANT to be paying for my million dollar HC issues or my byotches wid all dem kids wid all their drug & alcohol issues as they wud bankrupt you overnight...YOU THINK YOUR PREMIUMS ARE HIGH NOW! just wait till the gubbment gits a hold of whats left in your skinny wallets chumps.....
I am Canadian and have experienced our health care system..I want to see more market based reforms in the system, and would like to see the USA move away from greater government health care and towards the market more.
Does that by default make me a racist in your eyes as you slandered your fellow countryman...?
The vast majority of people do pay taxes. Or pay through the lost oppurtunity that high taxes create.
There is nothing moral about making someone else pay for your health care if you can your self...
Run by the people? You mean bureaucrats who have very little fear of losing their job and have little to no incentive to increase efficiency and plug money leaks, because they know any mistake they make will be covered up and forgotten come election year.
theres nothing moral in keeping for yourself what other people need because of your own greed and pompous ego.and theres no bureaucrats running private enterprize?
cant government employed people care for the work they do,give them a break, just because a doctor or teacher isnt motivated by having more than others doesnt mean they are bad persons..
if you dont like the idea of humans taking care of one and another, theres lots of independence and freedom(from giving) in the jungle somewhere
No one said anything about denying the people who need help. Nice try, no and no there are no bureaucrats protected by the state running private businesses.
No the point isn't that they don't care. As was pointed out the problem is that there is no incentive to innovate or take risks in creating new services if there is no incentive to save money or of reward..
You can help other people you know with out the state deciding how...god...hard concepts I know...
do you want any buisness taking risks with your healthcare? healthcare by profit maximization doesnt sound appealing to me, i dont care about service if i just get treated when i fall sick and get saved when in an accident, i really dont care if i can get a free hot cocoa in the waiting room
You know how the health industry buys patents so noone can develop further if they have the best products out there is that moral? Do you want those protectionists in charge of your health?
What kind of question is that, taking risks in what way?
Profit is by definition is what's left over after expenses. Profits are maximized by cutting down on costs. private companies do it better then governments. Medicare denies more claims then private companies..
The health care industry buys patents to then market them. Private industry invented about 80% of all medical technology, drugs, and procedures around the world today. So yes they do a better jobs at bringing me innovation
yeah private industry assisted by taxpayer subsidies.. well, where im from noone gets denied.. yeah "Profits are maximized by cutting down on costs" and costs in healthcare is treatment
If your government has a list of procedures it will perform and ones it will not pay for. The newest technology, drugs and procedures that may increase your chance of survival and greatly increase your quality of life, which are available in the USA, or at a very high price may not be on that list.. therefore you are being denied some form of health care.
An insurance company may also deny you care but in a different way..You still can get it you just have to pay for it eventually.
well i cant even afford what my government pays for me, even though they (big bad government) pay me 1200$ a month for attending our free universities, so should i be denied care because im a "poor" student? or the guy who is carrying my trash away every morning should he be denied?
most people cant afford the best anyways... theres a market for private clinics for rich superpeople anyways
This is the problem you have your government give you free education and 1200$ to go to school..why should other people pay for what is an investment in your self?
You Europeans are too hooked on government freebees..when the retirement boom comes and it will it will be a shock to get into the real world..
I went to school paid my own way and went into debt.. I also bought health insurance through the school to cover what Canada wouldn't. Made me a better person..
ulcerated colitis can be simply cured with nutrition like a healthy diet, PURPLE CABBAGE JUICE & Sangre de Drago
in fact there is a study that gave cabbage juice to inmates with this issue and solved the problem in weeks....you must drink the cabbage juice within the first minute of juicing as a certain enzyme dies of quick.
Hypocrites said: let thy food be thy medicine...humanity has simply lost their way :-[
Hank needs to get a part time job and buy some expensive insurance. Maybe a change in diet too. How many people does hank employ? His entrepreneur(ship) will take a hit broadside if he wants to grow his business. He will have to insure the emplolyees. How does that encourage growth?
Expensive insurance? And after you buy that policy do you think your covered? Just wait till you need by-pass surgery or chemotherapy! They will drop you like a bad transmission!
I have Dystonia (dystonia is like the baby of MS and Parkinsons) and I went from working for a big company because 1.I ENJOYED my job 2. I wanted to have money saved when I retired unlike my parents. For 3 years I worked hard and got my "life plan" in order. House,Car,Furniture...Then BOOM a progressive neurological disorder that for a year they could not diagnose and cost ME OUT OF POCKET WITH INSURANCE 22K.
Yeah, the Case for Killing Granny showed just what the government wants for this shitty health care and chipping us like animals. Fuckin pathetic. I'm so happy I deployed 3 times as an Infantryman for our government to turn us into a Socialistic Society. We're terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, but since we're the military the sheep don't see it that way; even though it's the definition.
So who the eff IS hank?
He's the engine that drives economic and job growth in America.
PykohYT 1 day ago
I learn more from John Green than I do from half my classes in school.
piglatin123 4 days ago
While this is an old video, I have to point out: even people who are poor can't always get Medicaid. Nowadays they have giant wait lists and many people sit for years uninsured on said wait lists. Just a little tidbit.
EmberMaye 6 days ago
See, my mum had really bad stomach aches for a while. And was quite thin. Eventually her aches got so bad she needed to be taken to the hospital, and turns out she was a coeliac. My brother had bad pains near his kidneys and was given medication. I just don't see why you would pay for that.
sandstormxx 2 weeks ago
Hank was a brony before the rest of us.
thespianwaffles 3 weeks ago 13
Poor Hank. :(
Caprinae 1 month ago
Hee hee hee, John! The fact remains, they were YOUR little ponies.
TheInspirationExpert 1 month ago in playlist More videos from vlogbrothers
It should have been called "EcoGeeko"
finbob83 1 month ago
@SeanTheOriginal only 29 countries have universal healthcare? Something is surely wrong with the world.
Also, both my brothers have epilepsy (an incredibly expensive illness, requiring an emergency medicine that costs around £80 for about 2ml) and, if the NHS didn't pay for it, my family would literally be living on the street, or both my brothers would be dead because we couldn't afford the medicine. That is why universal healthcare is a brilliant idea, and the main reason I love living in En
CoolPplEatDoughnuts 2 months ago
I love your tee shirt.
FuzzCutieNerd 3 months ago in playlist Vlogbrothers 2009 part 2
wait wait, you make fun of him for liking my little pony when he was young, and yet.... you obviously own a my little pony now...
rosie3lessthan3 4 months ago
May I just say that this is a wonderful video.
More importantly, DRACO AND THE MALFOYS SHIRT!
sitbunnynow 6 months ago 34
OMFG.
Hank is a /b/rony.
Welcome to the club.
GoFloatOnAPontoonxD 6 months ago
@GoFloatOnAPontoonxD The Herd, sir. The Herd
SchitzophreniaE 2 months ago
As a teen who has/had Ulcerative Colitis, I definitely feel for Hank in this matter and am so glad that this Health Care reform was passed! Now if we could just get specialized medical expenses to be covered for families who work in corporate companies i.e. Lowe's.
WolfSeer16 6 months ago
Have the NHS like we do Britain.
LHASOAPSOLOVER 6 months ago
Right, and this is all great and stuff for Hank, but doesn't it put other people at a disadvantage? Or more of a disadvantage than they are at now? (sorry if I'm wrong, I just wanna know.)
reeedingfoool 7 months ago
I have Crohns Disease and Ulcerative Colitus. I loved your explination. I watch this video whenever I'm in the hospital :-) Thank you.
LunaLaboratory 7 months ago
I'm most than sure it'd be cheaper just to have moved to Canada. Or England. Or any of the other 29 counties with universal healthcare.
SeanTheOriginal 7 months ago
amazing, I am not rich poor old or young, don't work for a big company (self employed) and have ALWAYS had good health insurance. So you my friend are ignorant. Most people work for small business and most have health care
beckmansgrandpa 8 months ago
@beckmansgrandpa this guy knows a hell of a lot more than you judging by your grammar.
sethboy66 8 months ago
@beckmansgrandpa The notion that "most" people having health insurance is a good thing is ridiculous. Why do we spend the most on health care per capita but still have the 37th best healthcare system in the world?
pnggolfer9 6 months ago
It's video's like these that make me glad, that I live in Europe.
SazzyRazzy 8 months ago
Reasons I love John and his videos:
*Intellectual
*Puffy hair
*Cool graphic tees
DRACO AND THE MALFOYS!!
BeatrixNemesis 8 months ago 2
Draco and the Malfoys!!!!!!
HarrryPotterRocks 9 months ago
You make fun of Hank for playing with My Little Ponies when he was little, yet you have one today? ;)
pugluvingurrrl 9 months ago
OFF TOPIC: I love your shirt! Draco and the Malfoys!
Silverballoons 9 months ago
The Left's arguments for a public option or some form of socialized care completely omit the fact that American HC is comparatively more expensive simply because of exorbitant insurance pool risk due to an INSANELY unhealthy population. In America, the poorer you are, the more obese you are, contrary to any other developed country. Forcing public liability for personal irresponsibility is yet another recipe for a bankrupt entitlement program, and could only perpetuate increasing costs.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib You wear the cost one way or another anyway, if someone goes to the emergency ward and dies or goes bankrupt from the care they receive the cost gets passed onto everyone else anyway and that sort of treatment is far more expensive than preventative measures that people could take if they had insurance.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric Then why does good health never get any play as the only and best "preventative measure"? The healthy carry FAR lower systemic risk than the overall population, and microscopic risk levels compared with the 40%+ of obese, smoking Americans. Why should they be forced into an overtly discriminatory scheme? It's like saying good drivers should pay for the coverage of drunks because it's their "right" to drive, responsibility be damned. You would support such a system.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib You totally to address my point, and then you went ahead and made a completely bogus analogy. Try again.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric Your point is fallacious because it forces the assumption that all those who consume health care or require insurance are equal in terms of risk, which is blatantly false given the distribution of cost/risk in America. Many who are uninsured can't afford insurance ONLY because we are priced out of the market by mandates and rising pool risk because of fatasses and smokers--we COULD afford insurance at our own risk level, but we aren't allowed to.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib Are you done yammering about levels of risk yet? that was not and still is not my point.
You pay for high risk people - public option, regulations or otherwise - due to the fact that deceased estates and bankruptcies that lead to unpaid medical bills are costs passed onto others.
Try again.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric So what? You're still assuming that within this market of transactions, all people carry the same risk, which is patently absurd. The primary reason the US spends so much on HC is because we are an insanely unhealthy country. Another effect of this is a radically disproportional distribution of risk which forces the healthy and responsible to endlessly pay more and more at unreasonable rates to offset the added cost of the obese, addicted, and unhealthy. Its ridiculous.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib I'm not assuming that at all, it just makes no difference if people carry different levels of risk because you'll wear the costs one way or another if they can't afford to pay.
So once again I say: you've missed the point, try again.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric Now the difference in risk, "makes no difference"? There's a contradiction in terms. Its open knowledge that the healthy and responsible in this country carry FAR lower risk than the unhealthy majoirty--that's why Obamacare is so dependent on the mandate and other buying restrictions. Many, like myself, could afford insurance at our own risk level, but others have driven costs to unaffordable extremes. Would you pay for some drunk's car insurance??
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib
And the point keeps whooshing over your head at 500 miles per hour.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric Uh, you've haven't addressed a single on of my points. Fact is, the primary reason US HS is expensive is because of skyrocketing pool risk due to an obscenely unhealthy country. The result? A radically disproportional distribution of risk under which the healthy and responsible are required to pay more and more to offset the inherent risks of a 34% national obesity rate. That's why all Obamacare does is spread liability, and VERY much to the "evil" industry's advantage.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib
As opposed to spreading the liability the way you currently are, by increasing health costs for everyone due to deceased estates and bankruptcies not paying. The current situation is that the costs are a huge risk for small business owners and employees - which is the source of job growth in America - it's a good economic move to make it possible for these people to get health insurance.
Also the US rate is only about 25% at the moment.
Try again.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric "As opposed"? Except that Obamacare's primary practical function is to spread liability. You're still ignoring the fact that abyssmal US health stats, and thus skyrocketing insurance pool risk, are the biggest reason for increasing HC costs. If you want to play the macroeconomic card, then such an analysis is wholly incomplete if you don't account for the loss of productivity, marketshare, and other effects of an unhealthy workforce. Its a primary cause of outsourcing, so...
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib Y
ou share the risk by a universal healthcare system or you share it by paying more than the procedures actually cost because the providers never see their payment due to deceased estates, bankruptcies, etc.
The risk is getting shared so long as emergency rooms treat people without proof they can afford to pay, emergency room care is way more expensive than if the problems leading to it are treated. Of course without insurance people won't seek preventative care due to $.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric Preventative care is BS. Its just code for doctors being able to make double their money by finding more problems and requiring more coverage. Its no different than trial lawyers who argue that the amount and overall economic costs of lawsuits will somehow decrease if we just loosen up the requirements for filing lawsuits. Once again, the only real, proven "preventative care" out there is good, responsible health, and I don't see any trade groups lobbying for that--do you???
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib
You assume a lot about something you don't understand, preventative care is things like screening for cancer, blood tests to show mineral deficiencies and a bunch of other activities that allow for diseases to be dealt with before they become a big problem - emergency surgery is usually far more expensive than elective.
With a lot of illnesses you can appear healthy and be getting more sick.
Also I don't see why you bring up what trade groups lobby for, it's irrelevant.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric You're citing an unrepresentative example in order to make an overall claim about the efficacy of "preventative medicine" in reduction of costs. Needless exams are a significant administrative source of unnecessary HC costs, and all you're really suggesting is that we should have more exams. Like I said, I don't see or hear any talk of good, responsible health being preventative medicine, even though it is the only really successful form of it.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib
You're assuming that cutting expenditure is the only goal in health care if you're legitimately arguing against things like prostate exams and pap smears. May as well not have cancer treatment at all if we're going to do away with early detection mechanisms given how ineffective late stage cancer treatment is.
It's also very short sighted, if people get serious illnesses detected early they can go back to work after and keep paying taxes, which will easily cover the costs.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric You're assuming mathematical advantages that aren't even readily provable. Like I said, the ONLY proven form of "preventative medicine" is good diet and regular exercise. If these were required, then yes, I would support what you're saying, because the costs of the unhealthy FAR outweigh the costs of rare, congenital illnesses. I don't see any Rx's lobbying for what would effectively reduce their marketshare, do you???
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric A root problem lies with the theoretical perspective taken by empirical, epidemiological studies. In the Rx view, we are all presumed to be ill; the only phenomena within its scope of inquiry is illness, which pre-empts their ability to even see or define "good" health despite its enormous influence. This is why we tend only to treat the effects of illness, rather than illness itself; an illness that for most Americans is simply poor health and crappy choices.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib
What alternative position you're actually supporting is highly unclear; you've completely missed the boat on what preventative care is meant to be about (things like cancer checks, blood tests, blood pressure and weight) if you're against that sort of thing but want a healthy populace then what do you propose?
Do you assume people are going to look after their own health with no assistance?
That's the current plan, and with 16% of GDP spent on health it's not working.
BlackLabelEric 9 months ago
@BlackLabelEric I'm defending my rights, not venturing some ideological plan. Claims about the cost efficacy of preventative medicine are purely theoretical, and rarely supported by any statistical data. IOW, its just another way for the industry to require more coverage and more cost to the consumer. All I want is more awareness of the reality of poor personal health and its direct effect on others health costs--the economic collectivism inherent in our HC scheme obscures reality.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib No... that is wrong. Preventative care is cheaper, and is better for you, so this probably is a HUGE part of explaining why Europe pays less yet gets more. Because our doctors don't care about profit. its all about whats best for the patient. if you sell health as a product, then you want your customers to be in your doors more, paying more, using all your equipment... this I believe simply explains the problem with the USA system. It doesnt care about preventing sisease
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist What a stupid statement--Europe pays less specifically because Europeans are healthier, which highlights my point. You are absurdly misled--preventative care is the INDUSTRY's argument for increasing costs and spreading risk, rather than constraining it. No doctor is going to bang down your door, kick the cig out of your hand, and tell you to get off your fat butt. "Preventative care" is forcing people to take responsibility for themselves, not a fucking poster campaign.
thereinliestherib 2 months ago
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@thereinliestherib You've got it the wrong way around. The health system as a whole is responsible for overall public health, if the people are unhealthy its because the system is failing. We are healthier because our family doctor keeps on top of things, such as weight, smoking, hormones, immunisations etc... This is all a part of health. But even so, the UK is the fattest nation in Europe, and we still manage to provide 100% coverage for free, for half the price. Theres more to it then obesity
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@thereinliestherib No.... you are not so unhealthy that you need to pay double the UK. These are the facts...a nd boy do they hit home obvious points. Im not here with an ideological agenda, I just want what works. The UK pays 8% and covers everybody for free. You pay 8% from gov, 8% from your pockets... 85% insured only, and you need to pay, meaning obviosuly the poor will miss out.
Our system is cheaper, fairer, and delivers better. We are a fat smoking country as well so thats not the issue
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Actually, overall UK rates of poor health are just over half those of the US--your point? You pay less for healthcare because your country is healthier (though hardly as healthy as the rest of europe), not because of your "system". Now compare your natl health/costs to Scandinavia--see a trend? I would actually support more socialized care in the US if the country was healthy. But here, you're the exception if you can see your toes over your belly. It's gross.
thereinliestherib 2 months ago
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@thereinliestherib No! you pay more for healthcare, because the system is so inefficient and does not actually make you healthy, it means you are more likely to get chronic conditions, and therefore require expensive treatment. Don't you see that the system is responsible for your health, so if your health is shit... its because the system failed. I think we disagree on a important principle here... I think the health system is responsible for your overall health, including how fat you are.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@thereinliestherib Here's the rub: In our system, there is a direct correlation between wealth and health, because care is so expensive, as well as other health-promoting things like nutritious food, belonging to a gym, etc. We need to do a better job of preventative, primary care, which will reduce the cost burden of disease complications. In other words, it's a lot cheaper to help grandma take care of herself than to wait till she winds up in the hospital; it's also better for grandma.
caprafan 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@caprafan Total, absolute bullshit. I've been poor my whole life, which has made me healthier because of work and because of the fact that nutritional foods is CHEAPER than junk, both in terms of quality and quantity. Your argument is total garbage without any facts. Your argument is the industry's argument, so they can get more money, more consumer leverage, and more power, when personal health is directly tied to personal choice, plain and simple.
thereinliestherib 1 month ago
Thank god I live in Canada....
clairebennetrules 1 year ago 3
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Allen West 2012
Twilightifyable 1 year ago
I'm glad that I am European.
Adavur 1 year ago
hey, can I have your shirt?
I just realized my entire thoughts on this educational video were, "Oh, my god, that shirt is amazing." I feel like a bad person now.
HPwrocks 1 year ago
America's health system is just strange for me. A lot of Americans say they don't want a system like the British one (NHS which ROCKS btw. It has helped me a load of times) as they don't want socialism. BUT YOU HAVE SOCIALIZED EDUCATION, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND POSTAL SERVICES! This throughly confuses me and the rest of the world. As much as I love you America, you can be damn stupid.
MsIdontmakevideos 1 year ago 47
@MsIdontmakevideos I'd be offended if it wasn't SO very true sometimes. =)
xyaoixanimexfanx 2 months ago
@MsIdontmakevideos I can assure, not all of America is like that. In my opinion (as a Democrat, mind you) that the real problem is that the Republican politicians are more focused on themselves and as most of them are of the richest 2% they are opposed to something like this that require them to pay their fair share. I agree on this point, but I don't think it'll be changing any time soon. :/
Longrun8687 2 months ago
@MsIdontmakevideos As an American who wants the British system, thank you so much! Socialism needs to be less of a scary conservative buzzword and more of a real thing that people should understand and hold complex opinions on.
PeaceGeek316 1 month ago in playlist More videos from vlogbrothers
@MsIdontmakevideos aqwesrftyguhi you have no idea how much I wish American Congress would listen to your arguement, and do the logical thing!!
FlargTheKitty 1 month ago
@MsIdontmakevideos The NHS does not rock -- I am a US citizen living here in the UK and the quality of the healthcare over here definitely inferior to that of the United States.
That said, I fully advocate socialized healthcare because the potential drop in quality is mostly irrelevant... The point is that a person's wealth should not determine whether or not they are allowed to receive care; care that is, in many cases, essential to their pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
sileb13 1 month ago
@sileb13 Surely the fact that as an American in the UK, you still have the same rights and healthcare available to you as a British citizen. The NHS is by no means perfect, but how many things that are over 60 years old are? The point is we need to improve on it, not just say "It's broke! Next plan please!"
stu10leadhead 2 weeks ago
@MsIdontmakevideos trust me these things in which have mentioned are all mainly power grabs by our more liberal government.
MrWundrful 1 week ago
I know this is an old video, but I wanted to comment anyway. I know how it is to be stuck in the middle like Hank. I come from a Middle Class family, but I myself do not make enough money to support independent health care, do not wish to work for a big corporation in order to obtain health care, but do not qualify for the government stuff. My medication and expenses are WAY to costly to come out of pocket...and there are a lot of people in this situation. Whats the right answer???
sashaandmujo 1 year ago
I would suggest moving to Canada. We have Free Health Care.
Good luck on the Health Care Hank! Please don't die from your expensive disease!
ryuuk96 1 year ago
I'm moving to Canada for the health insurance.
I'm not kidding.
flipfloppery 1 year ago 2
@flipfloppery That is really quite amazing!
ryuuk96 1 year ago
Finally someone who actually explained this shit to me. Thank you. I've always been against the whole government healthcare thing partly because no one would ever really explain anything about it to me. You did and thank you! Finally I understand!
mindthreat44 1 year ago
first off montana IS a liberal state. it wasnt thirty years ago. but because land is so cheap there and because land is so expensive in california. many californians have taken over the state and started enacting california style laws. ie no smoking in bars. open container laws. lowered the speed limit etc. 2nd off poor hank. now that he is a business owner he has to pay for the health insurance of all 30 of his employees. as per the new health care bill. or fire ten employees. or take the fine.
markbotv3 1 year ago
No one cares about your health as much as YOU care about your health. Take care of it yourself, do NOT give that power to the government.
RagingBearVideos 1 year ago
I'd consider myself a libertarian but I also feel that socialized health care is a form of national defense and thus not properly handled commercially. Good video. My wife also has colitis but up here in Canada her generic pills are $36/mo and her insurance pays 100% of it. If she had the public insurance it would be 80%
goclick 1 year ago
This is why the NHS rocks.
TheFatLombax 1 year ago
I wish I could cite this for my paper.
But I don't think colleges will be too happy to see that I've cited YouTube as one of my sources.
snaliger 1 year ago
@snaliger I would ask your teacher about it.
xtutorxheartx 1 year ago
State Government partnering with Private Insurance companies = Private Insurance Companies assuming non-profitable risks because any 'losses incurred' will be subsidized (wholly or in-part) by the Government . Hank sounds great but but I still don’t want to front his insurance premiums. I could tuck away an extra $100 a month toward my ‘business dreams’ too if the Government would cover my outrageous Car insurance premiums; but I don’t see, or expect that to happen any time soon.
mdstalla 1 year ago
very well said! I do hate to say that even though this is great for the people who "need" it...it will still get abused like every other government funding (welfare, food stamps, unemployment) They were created to help the people who needed help getting out of a bad situation, but instead "some" people use it to become lazy and then get into a downward spiral that never ends and keeps them under government funding for their entire life...and keeping us "hard workers" paying for their laziness.
sterlingsilver02 1 year ago
he should become a british citizen.... health care is a lot easier
mf9196 1 year ago
Why don't you just start an NHS like we do in Brtitian?
Korathelovebug 1 year ago
Well there's a slight problem with that argument. There are federal regulations that state a business must be XX members (in CA is 17) then they are within the federal window. There was also a push by insurance companies to have a mandate put in that a company has to be (in CA again its 25) XX people working before a business can get a discount on selling insurance. If congress can get rid of those then your brother and anyone building a job can get health care at a business rate.
avdquick 1 year ago
if he lived in Denmark, the hospital would not see him as a investment, buy as the poor guy he is who needs help. im not saying the way we do it in Denmark is the right way, but im pretty glad that i know im save no matter how ill i get, because all treatment is free
stoffthegreat 1 year ago
Just when the footage of Hank dancing played, my Uncle started playing "Limelight" by Rush, and I actually thought he was dancing to that.
It took me a few seconds to figure that out. =P
DFTBA
pseudogenesis 1 year ago
HUMILIATION KILL
fallonsky12 1 year ago
I'm an American and I like a lot of things about this country, but this is ridiculous. More money moves in and out of this country than any other, yet we have the health care system of a 2nd tier industrialized nation. Canada's unemployment rate is usually double that of the US, but they have a population that doesn't feel stifled by the high tax rate there and yet the the government still has enough tax dollars for public health care. Health insurance companies have held us down long enough.
juju52291 1 year ago
@juju52291 what they should do is just abolish the whole idea of insurance and pay out of pocket. prices would have to come down. the only reason they are as high as they are is because insurance pays without questioning. and doctors charge too much because they run EVERY conceivable test to avoid being sued. if a mechanic tried to do that he would be thrown in prison for thirty years.
markbotv3 1 year ago
*GASP! you did one on my b-day! I thank you!
seaseaful 1 year ago
I'm terribly late commenting on this video, but I will anyway. This is a great video. Informative, to the point, presenting the case in an easy-to-understand manner for everyone.
Thanks for making this video, John! I love that I get to broaden my knowledge of the world thanks to you guys.
loserontheloose 1 year ago
yes some actaly get how this bill will help the econemy
bijyhgvuijkol 1 year ago
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Ok now I really like the Vlog Brothers but life is about choices my grandfather has gotten cancer three times and he has health care so hank you could have health care as well you need to dish out some cash but you can get it. Hank you can also get a job in a company that has health insurance because now almost 80% of businesses have health insurance. It’s all about choices and sacrifices. You chose not to work for someone else but it is not like you could not get health care.
WaterChick70 1 year ago
@WaterChick70 You're absolutely right. Hank can go work for a big company. But because our health care system evolved to encourage people to work for big companies, we've stifled the kind of economic growth through entrepreneurship that has for so long driven the growth of jobs in the US. As long as our system discourages small businesses by making it impossible for people with preexisting conditions to start them, we'll slow economic growth unnecessarily. -John
vlogbrothers 1 year ago 80
@WaterChick70
Not all jobs offer health benefits.
You can't put all your eggs in one basket.
Many people want to work, but look at the state of thne economy.
Its wrong to suggest Republicans do all the work while everyone else slacks.
And it sounds to me, you like paying a lot of your hard earned cash to Insuranc e Companies. They are the ones winning my friend, not you.
Try a Health Savings Account so you can keep most of the profit that would have gone to Insurance. Think.
pluto4847 1 year ago 2
@WaterChick70 Whoa,you are not absolutely right because Hank RUNS Ecogeek. "Small businesses is the engine that drives job growth in America..they're talking about Hank." So:
A. Hank is doing something very important by providing jobs to people in our bad economy
B. Jobs in big businesses are not always available
c. Also, you forgot to address the idea if the statistic that '80 % of business have health insurance' include big and/or small business for you point to be valid to John's video
LandLockedBlues4 11 months ago
@WaterChick70 yes the only problem is that alot of companies lay you off if you are sick for more than what would require you to be a "full time worker"
jack16895 8 months ago
Sounds like Hank needs some medical cannabis.
ZacksEnder 1 year ago
I also got Ulcerative Colitis but i'm also Swedish.
So drugs and treatment is free, if i get cancer i also don't need to pay a dime. If i die im fucked just like everyone else.
Robbaz 1 year ago
Instead of a government option, wouldn't government oversight and regulations on the insurance companies be a better idea? Doctors can deny medicare and medicaid patients so they would be able to do the same with a government program if the reimbursement was just as crappy as those two programs.
Instead make it illegal for insurance companies to drop people simply because they get sick, eliminate lifetime caps, stop pre-existing conditions from preventing coverage.
freedomunrestricted 1 year ago
@freedomunrestricted Well, this is functionally what the health care bill that passed will do. (It also subsidizes some people's insurance coverage, which should actually save the gov't money, because gov't ends up paying for tons of emergency care after bankruptcies and stuff.) The problem with this strategy is pre-existing condition clauses, which are the only reason health insurers are profitable...
vlogbrothers 1 year ago 6
@freedomunrestricted So if you don't have to have health insurance, and there are no preexisting condition clauses, you can just wait until you get some extravagantly expensive disease and THEN sign up for health insurance. This is a huge problem that the bill that passed congress actually doesn't deal with very effectively, so we'll see whether that puts a strain on the financing of health care. -John
vlogbrothers 1 year ago 10
@freedomunrestricted Stop Insurance companies from being able to discriminate against applicants based on pre-existing conditions? Well, that would solve that problem; except that every insurance company would go bankrupt by next Monday! How about we initiate a government plan where: if you are looking for a baby sitter; you have to accept the application of any/all convicted, violent felons who want the job? Do you think we’d have more people employed; or less people hiring?
mdstalla 1 year ago
The health insurance lobby is one of the largest lobbies in Washington, right along with the pharma industry. One issue that came up is for the PHI industry to compete across state lines. I know for a fact that if they had wanted to do that, they would have. As long as their is profit for in healthcare, healthcare will be a complete failure. They have lobbied extensively on issues that would cut in to their massive profits. The CEO of BC/BS makes $200,000 a day. Death to them all!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
YAY it got passed not lets fight to keep it. stop the republican from tryin to repeal it VOTE for anyone with good morals and who stands for the healthcare bill
canedupre 1 year ago
Why do you keep look away? It's distracting me from whatever you are talking about
x0xHalebopx0x 1 year ago
I'm glad we have the NHS.
DarkRw1995 1 year ago
At a recent staff meeting, the hospitol I work for outlined health-care for us and announced the budget cuts to come. They went step-by-step and showed how
'health care reform" is going to cost them 75 billion dollars. The question is, who is going to suffer as a result?
rain2298 1 year ago
John! I have that shirt!!
purebloodedmagic 1 year ago
I had UC. Had because I had surgery to remove my bowl. I have access to both public and private healthcare. During the many years I had specialist and doctors visits they were all covered by health insurance. Medication was subbed by the government. When I needed surgery I had the option of private or public. It turned out to go public the wait was the SAME as private. So instead of paying for the same surgeon to do the same op I went public! Oh and my insurance is only $30 a month!
01mclaren 1 year ago
I had to watch this video twice because the first time I was transfixed by the holy awesomeness of his t-shirt.
ScarlettTwilight 1 year ago
America's messages need to be heard!!! Do you support Barak Obama's latest health care plan?? Go over to my you tube profile to learn precisely why Y0UR opinons are important !!!
Wilone328 1 year ago
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Oh ma Gawd! Barrok Obama is a durty comminist tryin to get helth care to por peoples oh shit we better pray to Sarah Palin and hope Ronald Reagan comes back as a super zombie to save us or we iz all doomed!
TheForkliftsOfNair 1 year ago
well we're all fubarred.
I'm not going to pay for insurance. I'm trying to grow my business and I'm negotiating hiring about 3 people. Guess what? Not gonna hire 3 people and not gonna pay for insurance because I can't afford it. I'm not poor enough to get aid, but i'm not wealthy enough to afford forced insurance. They're gonna come after me with fines. How did we end up like this?
shakaama 1 year ago
except you only have to buy insurance for these people if you have more than 50 employees. >_>
jknoll2002 1 year ago
you make my point.
A regional service manager for a small business service company stood up and said, that due to taxes a huge percentage of small business undercapitalize and put a cap on their own gross earnings, SO THEY WON'T GO INTO THE NEXT TAX SLOT. That means, they don't hire people... etc. So as not to go into the next tax slot. And she said this is widespread.
How do you think this bill will reflect in small businesses. They have already said businesses will start firing people.
shakaama 1 year ago
It was passed!! =D
I'm not american, so this doesn't apply to me at all, but the first thing I though was "yay! Hank can get insurance now."
nathpollen 1 year ago 74
@nathpollen Than your opinion is worth jack shit.
andrewelamlee 1 year ago
@nathpollen Ya he also has to rely on the gov't now. Fuck off
iown5fags 1 year ago
@iown5fags Okay, wow. I think, along with most sane people, that it's the government job to maintain a person's health, because they're job is to care for our rights and health care shouldn't be a priviledge.
nathpollen 1 year ago
Great - so now he'll be FORCED BY LAW to get 'Health Insurance', or face $1000.- fines.
Try silver water - I was just talking to a friend who's Grandfather suffered from colitis, and cured it within weeks using silver water.
Listen to Dr. Stan and other shows on Radio Liberty, there are many other old cures that can be pursued.
beggarz 1 year ago
@beggarz
Is there any scientific research that proves silver water cures colitosis
becuase honestly I would be surprised if their was. wouldn't hanks doctor have proposed this?
If "old cures" were actually effective in curing diseases then doctors would actually use them.
Plus their are a ton of risks that come with drinking colloidal silver water
xojaiserxo 1 year ago
I saw your comments on the ShaneDK video and was impressed by how well you were doing. He kept throwing insults and CAPITALIZED WORDS at you and you keep your cool and keep coming back with intelligent answers.
Well I'll bite and sub, hope to hear more from you.
Also I'm an American suffering from a lot of health insurance issues and Shanes video offended me somewhat because health insurance even with his changes wouldn't help me.
Otokogoroshi 1 year ago
I know this is WAY late, but I think the perfect video to use for Hank's humiliation would be the HANK ROLL'D video! XD
JoePSU87 1 year ago
I think the answer is to take away government health care from the old and poor. It is unconstitutional. I don't want to pay for you brother's health or anyone elses. That is thievery! How about your family does that.
ericso333 1 year ago
Hank should move to a different state. In my state we have more than 600 health care insurers fighting for customers. My wife has had cancer a number of times, I've had ongoing problems that cost more than Hank's...
And we both were able to shop around and get good coverage...she's self-employed, and I chose a coverage other than what my employer offered.
A lot of states "regulate" insurers to the point that nothing is available...let's do away with that and compete across state lines.
professorofliberty 1 year ago
Compete across state lines? A race to the bottom!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
Hmmm...I assume you're being light-hearted.
I meant, allow the 1,600 plus insurance companies to compete nation-wide instead of allowing states to create artificial monopolies in trade for lobbying dollars. That is allowed in my state and we have great coverage options...even pre-existing conditions. The more they are forced to compete...the better the deals...like any product or service. Get rid of artificial barriers and we won't need so-called "reform." But it's hard to do.
professorofliberty 1 year ago
@professorofliberty - I hope you are kidding! If the PHI industry had wanted to compete across state lines, they would have done so long ago. I don't think you know how powerful they are, both in your state and in Washington.
Again, they have been murdering people for profit for WAY too long. I don't know how anyone working for a PHI company can sleep at night! Don't shed any tears for them, they make billions of dollars profit.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
From your tone, and your use of childish and overused leftist cliches, I would guess you're beyond rational discussion of an issue...the seeking of facts...and the pervue of logic to come to rational conclusions.
I was on the board of a large public health hospital for some years, and oversaw a number of research studies on medical insurance affordability and competition. My view of the issue is based on reality and experience...not on repeating what I'm told by an assortment of dope heads.
professorofliberty 1 year ago
All I know for sure is that my son-in-law pays $750.00 for him and my daughter. Ford pays the other $750.00. And I guarantee you if one of them got really sick we would have to hire an attorney to have the insurance company pay. I also guarantee that they would raise their rates if one of them got sick. Again, PHI companies have been murdering people for profit for WAY too long now. They murdered my brother. (I don't sugar coat anything, they are murderers!)
phillipmarch22 1 year ago 27
And I know my spouse and I are self-insured. I pay under $200/mos and she is under $400.
15 years ago her cancer cost our insurance carrier over $800 thousand...and they paid out. Her doctors put her odds of surviving at 15%...and they still paid out. I'm sure they weren't tickled about it...but it was what they contracted to do.
A point of semantics: not paying for someone's health care is not murder. You need to learn English...and your son-in-law needs to shop around.
professorofliberty 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 There are many people who think the insurance companies are the saviors of all. they don't want Government health care. I suggest you make it a point to tell your story to the tea parties and Christians.
delbard1 1 year ago
Big companies are not required to offer their employees health insurance.. Also, if health care reform fails, employer based coverage will collapse.
urbanverificationist 1 year ago
To urban! You know your stuff! Private health insurance companies are the biggest lobbyists in Washington and they have been murdering people for profit long enough. My oldest brother died because his private health insurance company refused to pay for treatment. My brother was too proud to ask the rest of the family for help. Don't think it can happen to you? Think again!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
We want HC Reform,,but nothin bomacare that has been shown and neither does anyone else want that garbage...
hadenufnow 1 year ago
How many times does blomacare have to die??
Nobody wants ANY version of it..
CBO stats its totally UNSUSTAINABLE just like this administration..Unsustainable.....
The dude showed his hand and has no more street cred...Its not just about stupid blummercare, but all the socialist policies that are CLOWARD PIVEN 15 years outdated....
That's why all those DEMS keep doin the SCOTT BROWN SCATTER like they started after the coak croaked in mass w/ scott brown victory haunting them rite out the door
hadenufnow 1 year ago
Hank! move to canada and take your business with you... create jobs in Canada! it's cheep plus you don't have to provide healthcare for your employees caus the gov does that for you...
Isn't that sweet!
alpha0710 1 year ago
OPT OUT of blomacare...
Its poison..
Nobody wants it...
hadenufnow 1 year ago
@hadenufnow Nobody wants healthcare reform. They are going to decide who gets and who does not get healthcare and decide how you will be cared for.
bogvisu 1 year ago
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Taiwan and Singapore has best medical care system in the world, 99% coverage, high quality, and they are government run with less than 5% GDP budget. Do some research other than Canada and Brits. Come on my fellow American, let us fix the healthcare for our children sakes!!
noformstyle 1 year ago
I OWN THAT DRACO AND THE MALFOYS SHIRT. They came and played a show with Harry and the Potters really near me in Chicago. It was awesome.
converseart29 1 year ago
Move to Canada we all get Health Care
evangelinewest 1 year ago
Health care should NOT be provided by a for profit company. Get rid of the greedy insurance companies with their extravagant CEO salaries and preexisting condition.
KarenGardener1 1 year ago 3
Hey you chumps,
You DO NOT WANT to be paying for my million dollar HC issues or my byotches wid all dem kids wid all their drug & alcohol issues as they wud bankrupt you overnight...YOU THINK YOUR PREMIUMS ARE HIGH NOW! just wait till the gubbment gits a hold of whats left in your skinny wallets chumps.....
hadenufnow 2 years ago
isn't Hank an employee of his own company, which should be required to provide health insurance to its employees?
pete275 2 years ago
your argument fails because it involves the ooh boo terrible terrible socialism, and a black man as president, no neocon can see through that
mollen19 2 years ago
I am Canadian and have experienced our health care system..I want to see more market based reforms in the system, and would like to see the USA move away from greater government health care and towards the market more.
Does that by default make me a racist in your eyes as you slandered your fellow countryman...?
EasyEs 2 years ago
no that makes you a Canadian... and my fellow countrymen are danish and we got free healthcare, education (all the way) etc. etc.
mollen19 2 years ago
It isn't free, you pay for it through taxes, call it by the real name government run..
EasyEs 2 years ago
and everyone pays taxes? so what, and actually its run for the people by the people because the people are the taxpayers
mollen19 2 years ago
The vast majority of people do pay taxes. Or pay through the lost oppurtunity that high taxes create.
There is nothing moral about making someone else pay for your health care if you can your self...
Run by the people? You mean bureaucrats who have very little fear of losing their job and have little to no incentive to increase efficiency and plug money leaks, because they know any mistake they make will be covered up and forgotten come election year.
EasyEs 2 years ago
theres nothing moral in keeping for yourself what other people need because of your own greed and pompous ego.and theres no bureaucrats running private enterprize?
cant government employed people care for the work they do,give them a break, just because a doctor or teacher isnt motivated by having more than others doesnt mean they are bad persons..
if you dont like the idea of humans taking care of one and another, theres lots of independence and freedom(from giving) in the jungle somewhere
mollen19 2 years ago
No one said anything about denying the people who need help. Nice try, no and no there are no bureaucrats protected by the state running private businesses.
No the point isn't that they don't care. As was pointed out the problem is that there is no incentive to innovate or take risks in creating new services if there is no incentive to save money or of reward..
You can help other people you know with out the state deciding how...god...hard concepts I know...
EasyEs 2 years ago
do you want any buisness taking risks with your healthcare? healthcare by profit maximization doesnt sound appealing to me, i dont care about service if i just get treated when i fall sick and get saved when in an accident, i really dont care if i can get a free hot cocoa in the waiting room
You know how the health industry buys patents so noone can develop further if they have the best products out there is that moral? Do you want those protectionists in charge of your health?
mollen19 2 years ago
What kind of question is that, taking risks in what way?
Profit is by definition is what's left over after expenses. Profits are maximized by cutting down on costs. private companies do it better then governments. Medicare denies more claims then private companies..
The health care industry buys patents to then market them. Private industry invented about 80% of all medical technology, drugs, and procedures around the world today. So yes they do a better jobs at bringing me innovation
EasyEs 2 years ago
yeah private industry assisted by taxpayer subsidies.. well, where im from noone gets denied.. yeah "Profits are maximized by cutting down on costs" and costs in healthcare is treatment
mollen19 2 years ago
If your government has a list of procedures it will perform and ones it will not pay for. The newest technology, drugs and procedures that may increase your chance of survival and greatly increase your quality of life, which are available in the USA, or at a very high price may not be on that list.. therefore you are being denied some form of health care.
An insurance company may also deny you care but in a different way..You still can get it you just have to pay for it eventually.
EasyEs 2 years ago
well i cant even afford what my government pays for me, even though they (big bad government) pay me 1200$ a month for attending our free universities, so should i be denied care because im a "poor" student? or the guy who is carrying my trash away every morning should he be denied?
most people cant afford the best anyways... theres a market for private clinics for rich superpeople anyways
mollen19 2 years ago
This is the problem you have your government give you free education and 1200$ to go to school..why should other people pay for what is an investment in your self?
You Europeans are too hooked on government freebees..when the retirement boom comes and it will it will be a shock to get into the real world..
I went to school paid my own way and went into debt.. I also bought health insurance through the school to cover what Canada wouldn't. Made me a better person..
EasyEs 2 years ago
No the subsidies are a very small part of the funding for new drugs. I think 4% of all drugs are from tax payer subsidized programs. ..
No cost in health care is as varied as every other business. That is a very wrong view that the only way to cut cost is to cut treatment...
Is that how Laser eye surgery got cheaper by cutting the number of eyes done?
EasyEs 2 years ago
ulcerated colitis can be simply cured with nutrition like a healthy diet, PURPLE CABBAGE JUICE & Sangre de Drago
in fact there is a study that gave cabbage juice to inmates with this issue and solved the problem in weeks....you must drink the cabbage juice within the first minute of juicing as a certain enzyme dies of quick.
Hypocrites said: let thy food be thy medicine...humanity has simply lost their way :-[
Health is a Choice!...that one must choose!
certifiedhealthnut 2 years ago
Hank needs to get a part time job and buy some expensive insurance. Maybe a change in diet too. How many people does hank employ? His entrepreneur(ship) will take a hit broadside if he wants to grow his business. He will have to insure the emplolyees. How does that encourage growth?
fattymc20 2 years ago
Expensive insurance? And after you buy that policy do you think your covered? Just wait till you need by-pass surgery or chemotherapy! They will drop you like a bad transmission!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
I have Dystonia (dystonia is like the baby of MS and Parkinsons) and I went from working for a big company because 1.I ENJOYED my job 2. I wanted to have money saved when I retired unlike my parents. For 3 years I worked hard and got my "life plan" in order. House,Car,Furniture...Then BOOM a progressive neurological disorder that for a year they could not diagnose and cost ME OUT OF POCKET WITH INSURANCE 22K.
ShakeyAmy 2 years ago
and thats why i <3 the nhs, you all know that its really the only way to go.
superHICMAN 2 years ago
Damn, he buys a new car in pills in little over two years.
Ouch.
trapjohnson 2 years ago
Save Hank, save the world.
Heroes reference, anyone?
No?
regularguy5mb 2 years ago
Yeah, the Case for Killing Granny showed just what the government wants for this shitty health care and chipping us like animals. Fuckin pathetic. I'm so happy I deployed 3 times as an Infantryman for our government to turn us into a Socialistic Society. We're terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, but since we're the military the sheep don't see it that way; even though it's the definition.
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