gravity filters are the best, have always and always will use them, fill it up strap it to a tree and take a break from the hike. water+no extra work= a good thing
there is only 1 filter that I know of that will take out the lot, bacteria, cysts and viruses, giardia and cryptosporidia, pesticides and herbicides, it filters down to 0.1 microns, and flows nearly 2 litres a minute, it's the First Need XL, but like your MSR it blocks easy, but it's back flushable.
I've used a PUR Hiker in the past but the bulk and weight has caused me to use it at a base camp vs. backpacking. I currently use chemical treatment and/or boiling. I've had pretty good success with rubber banding multiple layers of cut up pantyhose over a Nalgene bottle or 2 liter bladder to filter out particulates. I did the same pantyhose thing on the PUR Hiker pre-filter and helped limit clogging. I've had people suggest cheese cloth but I can carry a lot more pantyhose squares @ less ounces
Hey Tinny just stopped by and watched a few videos, and I think your spot on. We have and use the hyperflow which is great. Also I saw the vid on Neo Air. I just wanted to suggest you let everyone know the cost. I am a firm believer in spending money in the right places and believe you have. The products your showing aren't cheap, so I thought you might want to mention it.
Great video by the way, but I think this is on of those things that it is where your at. For example if you are above 11,000 feet in the CO rockies you can drink out most steams without having to worry about getting anything. On the other hand if you are in northern MN wood you have to really worry about how to treat your water.
katadyn paper filter with carbon core cant beat it. its all i use. i know ppl say it doesnt kill viruses but america doesnt normaly have viruses so im good. ive used it all over the east and never got sick never had a bad tast.
Get a reverse osmosis filter. Now that is slow and expensive. It's also my only option besides packing all my water because I live in an island with pretty much no water or rain.
Hi Tinny. I have a steripen myself but i don't really like it. Have you ever checked out the "Lifesaver systems"? Not only can it filter out Cryptosporidium(300nm), but it can filter out the smallest virus(polio at 25nm). Filter last up to 6000 liters. Just a thought. Its like 150 us dollars. But its a tad big(size of sports bottle). I might consider getting one but i just don't have time for backpacking.
Good stuff! Water PURIFICATION as opposed to just filtering is what I'm looking for. To remove chemicals, such as petroleum and heavy metals not to mention pesticides, one must filter or distill the water. Reverse osmosis will do the trick too but I don't know of an ultralight product that uses R.O. technology. Nasty tastes can be removed with a filter utilizing activated charcoal. Boiling will kill all organisms including viruses but that takes time and fuel. Filter/Steripen.
@Rocksterrr I am wondering where you guys hike. In Maine ,if you are in the wilderness or on the AT-- pesticides --heavy metals--and chemicals, are not a problem. This area is a true wilderness with no polution other than what the rain delivers--note--rain water is distilled.
check out Drink safe I believe that their products kill crypto instantly and i belive it destroys viruses and and will also filter out chemical spills
New to the market is the Lifesaver bottle, it promises to take care of virusses also. The filter is very good, but also slow and can take limited amounts of water every time. I am still looking around for a good filter that also has active carbon against chemicals.
I run the Katadyn Hiker Pro and carry a few coffee filters to prefilter particulates. If going into an area know for "murky" water I carry an extra paper filter. I have never had to change filters in the field but I am carfeful what I put into the filter.
If I am out with others I bring the MSR Miniworks EX (does not filter viruses) and if solo or maybe one company, tablets. I am curious about the SteriPen but at the moment not prepared to spend the money.
I use the MSR Sweetwater. I like it because it pumps on the up and the down stroke. It uses the ceramic filter and is very easy to clean. I clean mine every time I use it and have never had any issues with it. For an extra $20 you can add a felt prefilter with replaceable elements. I don't have one of those as I haven't found a need for it.
I ditched the filter years ago for Aqua Mira. No taste, kills everything, no moving parts, no field maintenance, I have a gallon of water ready in 20 minutes. I pre-mix a dropper that takes care of multi-day trips with around an ounce of solution.I don't worry about pre-filtering, particulates settle at the bottom of my hung bladder, and flush themselves out. Slight yellow tinge sometimes, that's the only drawback I can see.
I carry chemical treatment on many trips as well. Aquamira is clorine dioxide, and according to the label it takes at least 4 hours (at 70F ) to deactivate, not kill, cysts like giardia or cryptosporidium, longer in cold water. It will kill bacteria or parasites in a few minutes. Filters on the other hand remove them from the water altogether provided the filter pore size is smaller than the bug. I like chemical treatments as well as filtering, but both must be done properly.
I love my Katadyn MyBottle With a Exstream ViruStat microbial purification cartridge (kills waterborne bacteria and viruses).....Just dip it into any water source (mine has seen some pretty nasty stagnate Beaver ponds in it's day)... And squeeze.... The water taste so good I never wanted anything else And I have yet to Plug it up.... It comes in at just over 7 Oz. and stays in my hand All trip :) You can use it to fill larger 2l Bladders Just by Squeezing the water thru As well
@Bauks420 I have used this bottle and the water flow is very small and slow. It will work as an emergency backup but is too too slow for any practical everyday filtering of any volume. Too bad because it would be a neat setup if it did have a better volume of flow.
@minibulldesign Indeed it can't hold a match to larger pumps in terms of volume it can process But then again even with the limited flow rate It's never put me in a situation where It didn't hydrate me and Get me some water to cook with when I needed it Just have to plan for a couple minutes to do some squeezing . Thanks for the Response, Tinny.. I really Enjoy your Videos Been watching then Nearly forever seems now :) I'll Be hiking, With My Friend. And your Ideas running threw my head :)
One fairly cheap option is that Berkey makes a squeeze water bottle. I use one as a backup because they weigh nothing and it's a neat little filter with Berkey quality.
Some of your science is wrong. The steripen only works on organic living material - basically killing it dead so it can't multiply in your gut. It's not that the UV can't penetrate the particulate, it's that the particulate isn't living. You need a filter not just for particulate, but for inorganic material (heavy metals, etc.) in the water supply. Only way to getting rid of inorganics is filtering - and that requires a high quality filter. You'll need to pre-filter for silt anyway.
@mrmonkeyman50 No my science is correct--any particals that trap bugs will not get treated because they will block the UV, and allow it to be ingested. The water MUST be very clear for the UV to do it's job. So you must prefilter the water to a clear level before treating it. And finally, I just don't like the idea of drinking dead bugs--LOL---
@minibulldesign The UV is absorbed in the water that is dirty. It's not about being blocked by particles. That's why the water needs to be clear. But either way, inorganic contaminants won't be dealt with by UV light. The steripen assumes that the only contamination are bugs, not heavy metals and detergents.
Hyperflow is not for me. Not freeze/thaw stable. Get it down to 30 degrees and it cannot be trusted. For every 8 liters filtered you have to take one of those and back flush. That is the spec. Actual use is much worse.
I use and like the katadyn hiker pro. Great pre filter. Takes the same cartridge as the katadyn basecamp gravity filter. I own both. Basecamp filters 3.5 gallons in about 20 minutes with no pumping. When the cartridge begins to plug I move it over to the hiker pro and I still h
I use a Katadyn Hiker & Guide (2 different filters) they work well. Once clogged you are correct, the filter must be replaced although you can clean the filter somewhat in the field, enough to finish the trip. Another way to avoid clogging for any filter, is to fill a container with the cleanest water you can, then allow the sediment to settle before filtering the water from the container. You can also pour through a bandanna, or tie a coffee filter around your pre-filter.
gravity filters are the best, have always and always will use them, fill it up strap it to a tree and take a break from the hike. water+no extra work= a good thing
boomer00000 1 year ago
there is only 1 filter that I know of that will take out the lot, bacteria, cysts and viruses, giardia and cryptosporidia, pesticides and herbicides, it filters down to 0.1 microns, and flows nearly 2 litres a minute, it's the First Need XL, but like your MSR it blocks easy, but it's back flushable.
deanznz 1 year ago
or you just boil the water, if all possible, get a fire going
pyroman675 1 year ago
I've used a PUR Hiker in the past but the bulk and weight has caused me to use it at a base camp vs. backpacking. I currently use chemical treatment and/or boiling. I've had pretty good success with rubber banding multiple layers of cut up pantyhose over a Nalgene bottle or 2 liter bladder to filter out particulates. I did the same pantyhose thing on the PUR Hiker pre-filter and helped limit clogging. I've had people suggest cheese cloth but I can carry a lot more pantyhose squares @ less ounces
mcraw4d 1 year ago
Hey Tinny just stopped by and watched a few videos, and I think your spot on. We have and use the hyperflow which is great. Also I saw the vid on Neo Air. I just wanted to suggest you let everyone know the cost. I am a firm believer in spending money in the right places and believe you have. The products your showing aren't cheap, so I thought you might want to mention it.
Keep up the great videos
SixtyAteOutdoors 1 year ago
Great video by the way, but I think this is on of those things that it is where your at. For example if you are above 11,000 feet in the CO rockies you can drink out most steams without having to worry about getting anything. On the other hand if you are in northern MN wood you have to really worry about how to treat your water.
MrStugelmayer 1 year ago
i use katadyn hiker pro and their base camp gravity flow... never had a problem....
these are the videos of yours i like tinny...
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
katadyn paper filter with carbon core cant beat it. its all i use. i know ppl say it doesnt kill viruses but america doesnt normaly have viruses so im good. ive used it all over the east and never got sick never had a bad tast.
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
@FixedByDoc I agree fully--this is a great choice
minibulldesign 1 year ago
Get a reverse osmosis filter. Now that is slow and expensive. It's also my only option besides packing all my water because I live in an island with pretty much no water or rain.
agun17 1 year ago
Hi Tinny. I have a steripen myself but i don't really like it. Have you ever checked out the "Lifesaver systems"? Not only can it filter out Cryptosporidium(300nm), but it can filter out the smallest virus(polio at 25nm). Filter last up to 6000 liters. Just a thought. Its like 150 us dollars. But its a tad big(size of sports bottle). I might consider getting one but i just don't have time for backpacking.
TGsauce 1 year ago
@TGsauce That life saver would be good in a really nasty situation but would be overkill for my area. What is it about the steripen you don't like?
minibulldesign 1 year ago
Hey Tinny,
Good stuff! Water PURIFICATION as opposed to just filtering is what I'm looking for. To remove chemicals, such as petroleum and heavy metals not to mention pesticides, one must filter or distill the water. Reverse osmosis will do the trick too but I don't know of an ultralight product that uses R.O. technology. Nasty tastes can be removed with a filter utilizing activated charcoal. Boiling will kill all organisms including viruses but that takes time and fuel. Filter/Steripen.
Rocksterrr 1 year ago
@Rocksterrr I am wondering where you guys hike. In Maine ,if you are in the wilderness or on the AT-- pesticides --heavy metals--and chemicals, are not a problem. This area is a true wilderness with no polution other than what the rain delivers--note--rain water is distilled.
minibulldesign 1 year ago
check out Drink safe I believe that their products kill crypto instantly and i belive it destroys viruses and and will also filter out chemical spills
gingerscout 1 year ago
Tinny, What do you think about the Platypus CleanStream?
eley48 1 year ago
@eley48 This is the same technology as my hiper flow just not pressurized. If you have the time should be good
minibulldesign 1 year ago
New to the market is the Lifesaver bottle, it promises to take care of virusses also. The filter is very good, but also slow and can take limited amounts of water every time. I am still looking around for a good filter that also has active carbon against chemicals.
Trailtraveller 1 year ago
I run the Katadyn Hiker Pro and carry a few coffee filters to prefilter particulates. If going into an area know for "murky" water I carry an extra paper filter. I have never had to change filters in the field but I am carfeful what I put into the filter.
gassmasher 1 year ago
tapeworm eggs aren't taken out by chemical treatments.
ThePackeagle 1 year ago
+1 for Katadyn Hiker
YTExplorer904 1 year ago 2
Cryptosporidium, sounds like a Harry Potter spell.
TheAmishking 1 year ago 2
If I am out with others I bring the MSR Miniworks EX (does not filter viruses) and if solo or maybe one company, tablets. I am curious about the SteriPen but at the moment not prepared to spend the money.
phr1sk37 1 year ago
@phr1sk37 get a lifestraw, they are originally made for the people of Africa, but you can get them for 5 bucks. They kill Mostly everything.
futuredirectorwanna 1 year ago
I use the MSR Sweetwater. I like it because it pumps on the up and the down stroke. It uses the ceramic filter and is very easy to clean. I clean mine every time I use it and have never had any issues with it. For an extra $20 you can add a felt prefilter with replaceable elements. I don't have one of those as I haven't found a need for it.
SavageOutdoors 1 year ago
I ditched the filter years ago for Aqua Mira. No taste, kills everything, no moving parts, no field maintenance, I have a gallon of water ready in 20 minutes. I pre-mix a dropper that takes care of multi-day trips with around an ounce of solution.I don't worry about pre-filtering, particulates settle at the bottom of my hung bladder, and flush themselves out. Slight yellow tinge sometimes, that's the only drawback I can see.
fzdx7n 1 year ago
@fzdx7n
I carry chemical treatment on many trips as well. Aquamira is clorine dioxide, and according to the label it takes at least 4 hours (at 70F ) to deactivate, not kill, cysts like giardia or cryptosporidium, longer in cold water. It will kill bacteria or parasites in a few minutes. Filters on the other hand remove them from the water altogether provided the filter pore size is smaller than the bug. I like chemical treatments as well as filtering, but both must be done properly.
40xmyke 1 year ago
@40xmyke Thank you for the accurate info--many people do not know about the 4 hour detail.
minibulldesign 1 year ago
Great info
PACER2320 1 year ago
I love my Katadyn MyBottle With a Exstream ViruStat microbial purification cartridge (kills waterborne bacteria and viruses).....Just dip it into any water source (mine has seen some pretty nasty stagnate Beaver ponds in it's day)... And squeeze.... The water taste so good I never wanted anything else And I have yet to Plug it up.... It comes in at just over 7 Oz. and stays in my hand All trip :) You can use it to fill larger 2l Bladders Just by Squeezing the water thru As well
Bauks420 1 year ago
@Bauks420 I have used this bottle and the water flow is very small and slow. It will work as an emergency backup but is too too slow for any practical everyday filtering of any volume. Too bad because it would be a neat setup if it did have a better volume of flow.
minibulldesign 1 year ago
@minibulldesign Indeed it can't hold a match to larger pumps in terms of volume it can process But then again even with the limited flow rate It's never put me in a situation where It didn't hydrate me and Get me some water to cook with when I needed it Just have to plan for a couple minutes to do some squeezing . Thanks for the Response, Tinny.. I really Enjoy your Videos Been watching then Nearly forever seems now :) I'll Be hiking, With My Friend. And your Ideas running threw my head :)
Bauks420 1 year ago
One fairly cheap option is that Berkey makes a squeeze water bottle. I use one as a backup because they weigh nothing and it's a neat little filter with Berkey quality.
mrmonkeyman50 1 year ago
Some of your science is wrong. The steripen only works on organic living material - basically killing it dead so it can't multiply in your gut. It's not that the UV can't penetrate the particulate, it's that the particulate isn't living. You need a filter not just for particulate, but for inorganic material (heavy metals, etc.) in the water supply. Only way to getting rid of inorganics is filtering - and that requires a high quality filter. You'll need to pre-filter for silt anyway.
mrmonkeyman50 1 year ago
@mrmonkeyman50 No my science is correct--any particals that trap bugs will not get treated because they will block the UV, and allow it to be ingested. The water MUST be very clear for the UV to do it's job. So you must prefilter the water to a clear level before treating it. And finally, I just don't like the idea of drinking dead bugs--LOL---
minibulldesign 1 year ago
@minibulldesign The UV is absorbed in the water that is dirty. It's not about being blocked by particles. That's why the water needs to be clear. But either way, inorganic contaminants won't be dealt with by UV light. The steripen assumes that the only contamination are bugs, not heavy metals and detergents.
mrmonkeyman50 1 year ago
Good topic for a video. Have you ever used any of the katadyn filters?
biguy525 1 year ago
Hyperflow is not for me. Not freeze/thaw stable. Get it down to 30 degrees and it cannot be trusted. For every 8 liters filtered you have to take one of those and back flush. That is the spec. Actual use is much worse.
I use and like the katadyn hiker pro. Great pre filter. Takes the same cartridge as the katadyn basecamp gravity filter. I own both. Basecamp filters 3.5 gallons in about 20 minutes with no pumping. When the cartridge begins to plug I move it over to the hiker pro and I still h
hikerbiker32 1 year ago
@hikerbiker32 I think winter hiking is another subject that requires a different batch of equipment and directions.
minibulldesign 1 year ago
Good topic Tinny.
I use a Katadyn Hiker & Guide (2 different filters) they work well. Once clogged you are correct, the filter must be replaced although you can clean the filter somewhat in the field, enough to finish the trip. Another way to avoid clogging for any filter, is to fill a container with the cleanest water you can, then allow the sediment to settle before filtering the water from the container. You can also pour through a bandanna, or tie a coffee filter around your pre-filter.
40xmyke 1 year ago
Thanks Tinny, you've given me some idea's as to what to look for in a filter. As always, good to see your video's, thanks.
69Grunden 1 year ago