Evidence that the Constitution Is Hanging by a thread!

[LDS4Life71]

It is a volume of scripture relating God's dealings with ancient people in the Americas, in much the same way that the Bible is a record of God's dealing with people in one region of the Old World. With the Bible, the Book of Mormon is a second witness, confirming the validity of Biblical doctrine and verifying the divinity of Jesus Christ through the inspired words of other sheep in Christ's fold (see John 10:16).

[TrueSaintsLDS]

WAKE UP!

[tfwaters]

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [second coming of Christ] shall not come, except there come a falling away first [APOSTASY], and that man of sin [OBAMA] be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who aopposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God [WHITE HOUSE], shewing himself that he is God.

[LonnyFrank]

George Washington exalted himself above all that is called God. Look up the Apotheosis... It is painted in the dome of the Capitol. The anti-christ has been here for a while now.

[LonnyFrank]

Those who do not believe Yeshua was the son of God are the Anti-christ.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

I find this very interesting. the Constitution hanging by a thread.

Two hundred years ago Joseph Smith made this announcement that the "Constitution would one day hang by a thread."

And they laughed at him, but this is when Christ would come according to Smith. He truly communed with Jehovah.

[LonnyFrank]

Yeah, so where in the hell is the mormon church now that the contitution has been hanging by a thread for a while now? And is the church talking about the Illuminati and other secret societies? No! Because the church is a part of the plan to bring about the false prophet and new world order... That was the point of the mormon church. To get enough people to believe that the church prophet is real so when the false messiah comes, the prophet will lead his people to believe it is Jesus.

[LonnyFrank]

That is why mormonism is a rip off of masonry, and why most all the witnesses to the B.O.M. were masons as well as Joseph and his brother and father. Satans plan is strong, and meant to fool those at the end. "When the prophet speaks, the thinking has been done." This is the real reason mormons are taught this. To be fooled in the end. The churches prophets never talk about whats really going on because they are going to lead it's people into the deception.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: 'prophet speaks, thinking has been done.' Source? More like "rip off of early Christianity," the greater parallel. Why don't Christians ever make this charge? Because it would contradict their charge that LDS are "so far away from historic biblical Christianity." Jesus & his apostles went to Temple in ancient times, even though they knew it was corrupt by money changers, etc. If early LDS became masons, so did early founding fathers of this nation. No big deal! But it's always made into 1.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: JS' prophecy says Elders in Church would rally people to up hold & defend constitution. They're many web sites by LDS Elders that are doing this. Church leaders warnings from 1830 on, can still be read & heard. Glen Beck is currently doing many radio shows to warn & rally the world against NWO. Your charges about what you allege is "plan" of church is wrong, cause many Elders have been warning about Illuminati & New World Order for years now. Where's & what's your sources, anti-Mormons?

[LonnyFrank]

The LDS don't need a website to bring its members to rally! lol. THey have a prophet, or did you forget. And christians do not claim to have a living prophet. Glen Beck is a traitor you fool. He only wishes he could be an honest mormon. Show me evidence of the prophet talking about the illuminati. Go get on your FAIR website and find all the nonsense answers you cannot answer on your own. It is a problem lds members were masons. You just don't understand the occult. And obviously you wont search

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: Part A: What I've heard from Beck, shows he's done his home work & if he's wrong about something, will admit it & do more research. You seem to be ignorant about a lot of things, angry, hate filled & assume too much about what you think I know & don't know. It's "obviously you wont search" cause you've already made up your mind. So, the following is not so much for you, but for those interested in doing some of their own research.

You tube: Glen Beck On New World Order Warnings

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: Part B: "Show me evidence of the prophet talking about the illuminati."

Illuminati agents infiltrated Russian Government, set up an Atheistic testing grounds of depopulation through starvation & mass murder, through Stalin's purge, & 1930s Collectivization. Lenin, spoke of NWO. KGB documents also have all seeing eye triangle symbols in micro dots. Adam Weisphaupt is also praised & credited for Karl Marx's, Lenin's & Stalin's Communist revolution. Of which LDS prophets warn against.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: Part C: Sources for B: Justin Martyr Jr's playlists, You Tube: Angels & Demons Revealed (Documentary about Illuminati)

YT: The Bloody History of Communism

Lenin says their revolution was helping to establish a NWO. The Great War, Prod. by Carl Byker, Akcet Production, aired on KBYU, TV channel 11, July 1998).

Jerreld L. Newquist, Prophets, Principles & National Survival, Pub. Press, SLC., Utah, 1964.

Richard Vetterli, The Constitution By A Thread, SLC UT, Paramount Press, 1967.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: Part D: Ezra Taft Benson, 12 Apostle, Conference Reports, Sept. 1961, April 1965, Prophet David O McKay's talks, Oct. 1959 & Oct 1964, admonish everybody to read:

Book of Mormon warns about secret combinations. Gary Allen, 1971-72, None Dare Call It Conspiracy. Benson's comments on back cover. Gary Allen, introduction by W. Cleon Skousen, Communist Revolution in the Streets. Skousen, The Naked Communist 1958, 60, 61. Jerreld L. Newquist, Prophets, Principles & National Survival, 1964.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: Part E: Benson, Gen. Con. April 1965, Warnings of Threats to Freedom: Last conference [Oct 1964] I spoke of a book embodying much of the prophets' warnings on freedom from Joseph Smith to David O. McKay, which I commend to you. It is entitled Prophets, Principles, and National Survival. Benson on back cover of Gary Allen's None Dare Calls It Conspiracy, said that he wish every person & every slave behind the iron curtain could read Gary's book, which warns about Illum.

I got more!

[LonnyFrank]

Ok then go watch a video "glen beck threatened by NWO". He talks about the fema camps saying he cannot debunk them. He made it clear he could not debunk them. Then later in the show he comes back with a totally different story. If you can't see that is shady you need to quit drinkin the kool-Aid. Don't worship Glen Beck just cause hes Mormon. Thats like black people seeing no wrong in Obama. Think for yourself. I'm not gonna change your faith. My family is mormon. I was married in the church.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: Glen Beck sometimes admits that he's been wrong about different things he thought he had solid research on. He encourages people to do their own home work. I mentioned him, because you seem to think that LDS people & prophets aren't warning anybody about the Illum., you wanted "proof," I'm giving it to you! I also accept the good research, but don't agree with every conclusions that non LDS offer too, such as Alex Jones, Terry Cook, Anthony J. Hilder, Anthony Sutton, Bob Salter, etc.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: Here's a question for you: Are the Boy Scouts of America occultic?

[LonnyFrank]

Alex Jones is a fear mongerer. Boy Scouts of America are masonic in nature. But I'll tell you like this. Just bcuz you are Catholic does not mean you know what is really going on with the pope. Just bcuz you are mormon does not mean you really know whats goin on with the prophet. Just bcuz you are a mason, does not mean you know what the real higher up Worshipfull Masters are doing. I left the church because I prayed and feel I was led to the truth of this whole Matrix. Thats my testimony.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: "Alex Jones is a fear mongerer." Well I don't see you producing any well documented documentaries exposing the New World Order, or sticking your neck out to expose those seeking to take away our freedoms, like he has.

"Boy Scouts of America are masonic in nature." Of course they are, the founder was a mason! But are they learning satanic rituals, & are they satanists? You make a lot of claims, but don't back them up with evidences. Thus, not too impressed with your "testimony."

[LonnyFrank]

Look dude, I don't have hours to explain my "testimony" to you. Their are evil forces at work and they want war/revolution whatever you want to call it. The truth of what is going on with this world and secret societies is obvious at this point for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. You believe what you want. I obviously wont change your views whatsoever. If you really cared for truth you would search for it yourself. But you are obviously main stream as it is. Good luck to you.

[LonnyFrank]

You should realize that most all wars are ran by the same side..Freemasonry... When the revolutionary war was going on, Masons on both oposing sides would throw up their distress signal to spare the fellow brethrens life. And what distress call did Joseph Smith throw up when the masons killed him, but did not spare him? He said, "Oh lord my god is there no help for the widows son". The widows son is Hiram Abiff, he is Masonrys way of salvation, not Jesus Christ.

[LonnyFrank]

Hiram Abiff has a death and resurection story as well. This is why it is important to realize why Joseph Smith and his dad and brother were all masons, as well as Brigham young and most of the others. It is not Jesus who is the means of salvation. This substitutes faith for imitation and Hiram for Jesus. Go research. The truth is there, you either will find it or you will continue to ignore it. Sorcery is at work by the hierarchy of these groups and that which is hidden is now revealed!

[JustinMartyrJr]

That hand grips are connected with Hiram Abiff resurrection drama in masonry, comes as no surprise when we take into account hand & wrist grips carved in stone by masons, who illustrated Christ's resurrection, called the Anastasis, harrowing of hell, descent & ascension of Christ, lifting Adam up out of his grave. Many Christian tomb stones that show hand grips, symbolic of God lifting up, resurrects, greets & guides souls to heaven. Masonry knew these grips, fraternalized them. J.S. restored em

[JustinMartyrJr]

You seem sold on the lore that "it's one big masonic conspiracy!" Like how the Nazis blamed the "Zionist Jews." Or that it's all the Illuminati. When wars & world orders are made up of different people from different back grounds. In it for different reasons, greed, power, wealth, control, etc. There were Jews helping the Nazis, Nazi helping Jews in the I.G Farben war machine. There's been Baptists, like the Rockefellers have roots with, helping to bring about a NWO. It's not just masonic driven

[LonnyFrank]

Who said it was just masonic driven? My whole point has been about masons and mormons. Glad you see the connection though. Go do a search for how many babtist ministers are masons. You still don't have much to say about the Hiram Abiff salvation story. You seem afraid to do some digging in the history of Smith and others.Try to ignore the connection and tell yourself it can't be. But you know the truth is now revealed. You need to understand sorcery is real. And we have all been under its spell.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: #1 "My whole point has been about masons and mormons." My whole point is to put into perspective how that early LDS leaders looked upon masonry as an apostate fraternalized left over fragment of "the mysteries." Which was then restored, & we know know it was restored because of how we find every aspect of it, have traced it through the centuries down to how different versions of it were fraternalized in Knight Orders, Monk Orders, & eventually masonry & freemasonry.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: #2: Different masonic lodges, said mason & 1st Pres. George Washington, were infiltrated by Illuminati agents, who then proceeded to introduce Atheistic & luciferian doctrines. Other versions of blends of masonry, chivalry, occult teachings, became retrogressed further in what Hitler & Himmler did, in their New Order in Europe. Aliester Crowley blended masonry with satanic worship, because that's what satanists do, reverse things of Christ & God to mock them, in praise to lucifer.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: #3. Versions of masonry inspired blends that became secret society Orders, in 1832, Scull & Bones at Yale University was founded by a mason. Bringing with him their death symbols, the scull & bones; which is an early Christian symbol for Adam's grave under cross. Hand grip are seen in art works reaching down to clasp Adam's hand in an open pit under Christ on Cross, thus he's resurrected, lifted up out of his grave. Scull & Bones have a raising up from a coffin ritual thus fraternalized

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: #4: "You still don't have much to say about the Hiram Abiff salvation story." What I've see in this story is evidence that masonry has faded away from its earlier Christian roots, to were Christ is taken out of picture, while there's still left over fragments of what it once was. There's hints to it being resurrection drama by hand grips. Historic Christian versions center on Christ in these grips to resurrect. Hints to becoming perfected are clearer Christ center, in masonry taken out.

[LonnyFrank]

You are like researching as I'm telling you these things. You have not even searched the things I've told you to back up claims. I'm done telling you things. You do not care to take the time to actually see if what I'm saying matches up. If you did. you would agree to most of what I have said with the connection of masons and Joe smith. You cannot deny the history of Hiram Abiff, and the bloodline of Cain. If you cannot see the connection to all, you are blind and just a sheep. Good luck!

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: To use your words: "You cannot deny the history of Hiram Abiff, & the bloodline of Cain." No doubt there's a counterfeit "mystery of iniquity already at work," as Paul says, but JS, like Paul, taught Christ centered mysteries. JS & Paul knew that lucifier had set up his own counterfeits. Your words: "If you cannot see the connection" to evidence of masonry having some of its' roots in early Christian mysteries too, "you are blind & just a sheep" following ancient & modern critics!

[LonnyFrank]

Trust me I have studied many religions and see the mysteries in it all. Christianity is just as involved and corrupted in the occult as Mormons, Masons, etc. We are living in the time where Lucifers minions have infultrated most all of the worlds churches/temples whatever you wanna call it. Mormons and Masons and Christians all have good people in its community. But every coin has 2 sides. much like symbolism has 2 sides/meanings. Mormonism is just another church in the system.

[JustinMartyrJr]

I suspect that you're like some people, when they see similar symbols, & misinterpret them. The occult, satanism, steals Christ's symbols, rituals, & sayings, to reverse them in mockery of God & in honor to Lucifer. This is what I've seen in historic Christianity & the restoration. White garments in both are reversed to black in Satanic mockings of both. Prayers said backwards, symbols mocked, churches infiltrated, agents of influence plotting. I see your point, but from different perspectives.

[LonnyFrank]

I'm sorry that you have put so much faith into Joesph Smith while discrediting Jesus on what he said. i know the mormon church teaches the the bible is only truth as to if it is translated correctly. Yet so many mormons believe only what they want to of it to try and make their own claims of JSmith correct. Jesus was against oaths. Salvation was not through babtism which John the babtist taught but through Christ's word. He taught that anything secret was of sin. Gods word needs no secrets!

[LonnyFrank]

Ok, you keep overlooking everything I said. Stick to the subject and connection. I Know all about George Washington.I have already learned the connection. Do you think God gave JSmith the revelation of polygomy only for a shor period of time? The BOM already states it is a sin so how does his revelation come into play? Dont overlook truth. His visions were from halucinogens.Read the church doctrine and find out how others recieved "visions" after taking his sacreament. It is all occult ritual.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: What are your sources for all these charges & claims. I'd be interested in seeing what your reading, or vids you've watched. I've spent over 30 years researching & reading anti-Mormon books, etc. But have you ever read early anti-Christian writings? The claims against Jesus parallel the charges against the restoration. The same types of methods & reasons "why not to believe," are basically the same. Ever read Atheistic writings? Same tactics against all religions, as AM contra LDS!

[LonnyFrank]

Zionism is real. And you need to understand that not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists. " I know the blasphemy of them which say they are jews and are not, but are the synagogue of satan" Rev. 2:9...Jesus was refering to the Zionists who infultrated the Jews. They were the ancient Khazars that originated in ancient times in the heart of Asia. Now go research Hiram Abiff and see why Josephs connection to masonry is nothing to just blow over. I bet you won't do it.

[JustinMartyrJr]

Lon.: I've been researching Hiram Abiff, it would help if you offer sources too. But you need to also be willing to check out sources, videos & research I'm suggesting to, thus, please watch:

You tube: New World Order, Christian Orders, Masons & Mormons

Blog: FREEDOM SHOULD BE FOR FREE

Early Anti-Christianity Restored in Modern anti-Mormon Christians' Demonizations of Mormons

YT, my play list: LDS Polemical Issues & Apologetics

YT: Christ As Cosmic Cruiser: Christ Went To Other Nations

[LonnyFrank]

The password to get into the Masons lodge is "tubal-cain". Tubal is 7th generation of Cains bloodline(gen. 4:22). Tubal instructed Hiram Abiff in Alchemy. Cains bloodline is a wicked bloodline ("witches blood", witchcraft).All of this is important to seeing the big picture. To see the connection of all of this history. On another note. Methusael 6th generation of cains bloodline was the 1st polygamist in the bible. Gen. 4:19. You starting to see the picture? I hope so. You cannot deny it now.

[LonnyFrank]

Correction: Methusails son Lamech had the two wives. 1st mention of Polygamy in bible. Gen. 4:19. From the descendants of Cains bloodline.