Yes i'm belgian and i speak french. French speaking belgium? Once again it's NOT correct. there are differences like soldiers who carry out the duty with valor (i speak about great valor) but now i understand u better...u just do mixture with everything..like you say "idealist" in a video about waffen ss..idealists for a machine of death and destruction and society which advocates the annihilation of people (and his own society) I think that it is no more ideology..it's madness..
@Zonnewende88 Ho and one thing..what do you now about sacrifice for a cause? Biggot and a lowlife...for somebody who confuses fundamental it's very interresting to see you giving lessons of morality..once again u give me reason with sentences like "now piss off french frog....my god you aren't only young, u are also an poignant asshole...Keep courage little boy.
@MultiJanche I think I can understand sacrifice more then you ever can comprehend. The sad thing is, argueing with you, you don't get into the arguements ion anyway. You just shout something and you then are trying to make it valid by claiming you are a historian. You are a sad, cognitively challenged idiot.
@Zonnewende88 HOooooooouuu same player play for the second time...Hardly well to say the same bullshit(again and again)..If I was you, I would take time to study the History Instead of believing that you are right..
@MultiJanche You sad gullible idiot, still claiming he studied and knows history. You ever studied the SS? Algemeine SS/ Waffen SS or Totenkopfverbande/ Einsaztzgruppe? And the difference between them?
@Zonnewende88 If u read books i give u in the previously conversation...You can understand that your questions about all "kinds" of SS do not take place to be..But I see that it 's easier for you to think that you are right and to offend people...like a little boy of...12? 14 old? However keep this kind of energy....to back to school. Full of french shit? Hooooo at least you learn fast the insults for lack of the History...as i pity u...
@Zonnewende88 "take a good hard look at myself"?..form a small racist who knows nothing about History or who refuses to know what it really happened(And especially the waffen ss it's really...really grave) But I believe its too late and you are too stupid so that I made you an boosted History course..
@olegsher According to Soviet criminals' propaganda that is. Nonsense of course. The citizens were killed in the artillery of both armies. This video shows Ukrainian men and Ukrainian policemen fighting alongside the Wehrmacht troops against the Soviet Army. So much for your mythology. I know a Dutch-German veteran who was drafted into the Reichsbahn as a technician in the Eastern Front. He was captured by the Soviets at Kowel. Only 4 % of the German POWs turned home. He survived hell in USSR!
I am from Belarus.. My grandmother and grandfather where in occupation zone. They told me everything. Most of German-Nazi solders was murders and during occupation hundreds of thousands civilians was killed more was taken as slaves to Germany for work. All the Jews and other small nations was killed.After every partisan attack , Germans killed hundreds of civilians. Hundreds !!!! of villages was burned with all citizens alive .
@olegsher Your grandmother and grandfather cannot have seen the 'murder of Jews', as the Jews were all in the Minsk ghetto and other concentration camps (Maly Trostinec etc.). You repeat the established view from Soviet media. Many Belarussians went to work in Germany as volunteers in fact, but they could not admit this after the Red Army had defeated the Axis Powers. Partisan warfare and reprisals were brutal from both sides.
@olegsher The German anti-partisan warfare was brutal and had hostage reprisals indeed against vast numbers of prominent male civilians. But 'all citizens were burnt alive' is a typical Soviet myth. Males would be shot if taken hostages and suspect of pro-Soviet partisan activity. But there was also a Bialorusskaya Rada in Minsk with million supporters. And women and children were mostly spared in reprisal actions against partisan villages even. I am a critical historian, nót Soviet propagandist
Raping , killing and in best situation stilling was everywhere.. And in 1944 during retreating Germans Burned everything … By the way millions of soviet prisoners died after they were captured by Germans. In western Ukraine was big anti-soviet movement. They helped Germans to fight partisans and kill Jews and communists. So what? They totally wasn’t good guys )) And by the way 4 % is too good for Nazis after what they did during 4 years of occupation..
@olegsher You finely repeat Soviet anti-German propaganda. In reality, in 1941, 'German'-uniformed Soviet secret police units set fire to all villages stormishly abandoned by the retreating (invasion-preparing advanced) Red Army. Not by Germans. And partisan warfare by the Soviet partisans (among whom Jews) can hardly be blamed upon the Germans alone. You honestly legitimate the mass-murder of German POWs by the Soviet Union? Most Soviet POWs in 1941 survived, although many indeed starved.
I am repeat nothing.. I know cause i know peoples that passed occupation and fouth agains Germans.. I talked to them personnaly.. They my family and freinds.. Also i talked ti partizans.. All of them patriots that loved thier homeland.. And ""'German'-uniformed Soviet secret police "" -are you serious?? Me repeat propoganda???? ))))
@olegsher You repeat Soviet propaganda. Soviet partisans were not patriots, but recruited agents. All people that stayed neutral were liquidated randomly. The NKVD units of 1941 in false German uniforms are historically documented, even if you deny it. Of course the Eastern Front and the partisan war was very harsh. But please look to the first video at my channel for a different view from Western Europe. If you understand French. Anti-communist Russian witnesses are still persecuted....
All the snivelling and whining little girls snivelling about germans getting their asses kicked: the germans started the war of aggression and then they lost. Too fucking bad.
Give up your dreams of deutscheland arising again: TO THIS DAY there are large segments of Britain, France, Russia and even America that distrust germans and any signs of german belligerence would end in a British, French, American or Russian nuclear bomb on deutscheland and the germans know it.
All these men who lived were probably sent to a German POW Death camps in West Germany or Siberia....FUCK America and Russia, Heil Hitler und Der Deutsches Reich!
I m not a german or a nazi..........but i have great respect 4 wehrmacht and waffen -ss as they r the best ever fighting unit in the history of warfare
Only 2,4 millions Jews existed? Poland alone had around 3 million. With the USSR having around 2 million.
Auschwitz-Birkenau - 1,1 millions Jews
Treblinka - 700,00 Jews
Belzec - 434,500 Jews
Sobibor - 167,000 Jews
Chelmno - 152,000 Jews
Majdanek - 78,000
6 purpose built extermination camps killed nearly 2,5 million Jews alone. And these numbers were verified by the Soviets who liberated all the extermination camps as they were in Poland except one of them.
@thestaggie In the territory captured by the germans only 2.4. in all world 15 Millons. and 16 Millons in 1949!!! The Miracle of the resurecction of the Jew People for the invasion in Palestine, The Fraud of "Treblika" have the lie of 870.000 jews in the mass grave but the GPR shows the Real Total of ZERO. All Jew tale of the Holocaust have Defects but why learn of this in detail? Wiki-jew tell you the Truth? LoL
@Theaxe999 As I've said, as a history student, I have NO time for history revisionists. In my opinion, in this case, history revisionsim is a manifestation of anti-Semitism and/or social & political opposition to the state of Israel. The 1936 Polish population census put total population at 36.1 million with 8.6% Jewish. That's around 3.01 million Jews in Poland alone before the war.
@thestaggie Right whatever, in other words you're too scared to look into it. There are lots of history students on the CODOH forums so don't try to make yourself sound special.
@Theaxe999 Scared of what? The great, big Jewish conspiracy. And that site doesn't even talk about revising it, they go as far as denying it. I've done my research. Official goverment censuses carried out by the Polish & Soviet goverments show that there were easily at least 4 million Jews that came under German control, then add the other countries of occupation.
@thestaggie obviously this propaganda has short circuited your ability to reason. You're completely brainwashed and on top of that you refuse to READ the information. I challenge you to register to the CODOH forum and completely crush holocaust revisionism. Or keep making excuses not to, that just proves that holocaust believers are too scared to debate.
@Theaxe999 Yeah, I am totally incapable of thinking for myself. Now, why would I join a discussion where I'll be met with the same response as what you've just given me? Telling me I've been brainwashed by Jewish propaganda. That response right there shows me you are more inclined to denialism than revisionism. Not interested.
Too scared, ah that's why there are laws stopping debate at academic level. Let's see, many academics have produced mountain of evidence, yet they have had their careers and families ruined simply for trying to talk and discuss this topic. Also they have been put in jail
LOL and you talk about them being afraid to speak about it, jesus christ, it is precisely bcoz they have NOT been afraid to speak out, EVEN when the law will and HAS put them in jail.
@Theaxe999 My grandfather was part of the British unit that liberated Belsen - where thousands of prisoners had been murdered, most dying from hunger, dehydration and sickness. He told me that and he certainly didn't lie. I'm sick of hearing this rubbish about "it never happened". Sure, and the war never happened. Was that propaganda?
Maybe u should take into consideration that during the last 2 years of war there was not enough supplies for the german population, not to speak of prisoners in camps. This was mainly due to US und UK bombardements by the way which killed millions of germany civilians.
Of course there weren't enough supplies - there was a war on. The treatment of prisoners in camps was not justified by Allied bombing campaigns. Are you seriously suggesting that the gas chambers were a means to reduce the demand for supplies buy the civilian population and not part of the ethnic and social programme?
@blueray1969 I am not German, and my grandfather (still alive, 90 years old) fought against them during three weeks after surrendering at Duinkerke protecting with others the retreath of theBrittish allies (the 4 days!). No problem with your post here but what are you and Theaxe999 fighting here. I tought that this film is about Kovel and the Eastern front. Btw don't pay attention about deniers, they aren't wurth your time.
Your gfather may not have lied, as in he told you what he was told himself, which is a false account of what happened. In Belsen, as in all the other internment camps, there was no gassing of the Jews etc. Gas was for the sole purpose of de-lousing. Lice carried typhus which was a real massive problem. It was typhus which killed about 200-300,000 people in the camps.
The bodies your gfather found were killed by that, even though he was lied to also, by the higher ups.
During the final months of the war, tens of thousands of Jews were evacuated to Belsen from Auschwitz and other eastern camps threatened by the advancing Soviets. Belsen became severely overcrowded as the number of inmates increased from 15,000 in December 1944 to 42,000 at the beginning of March 1945, and more than 50,000 a month later.
Many of these Jewish prisoners had chosen to be evacuated westwards with their German captors rather than remain in eastern camps to await liberation by Soviet forces
Disease was kept under control by routinely disinfecting all new arrivals. But in early February 1945 a large transport of Hungarian Jews was admitted while the disinfection facility was out of order. As a result, typhus broke out and quickly spread beyond control
When SS chief Heinrich Himmler learned of the typhus outbreak at Bergen-Belsen, he immediately issued an order to all appropriate officials requiring that "all medical means necessary to combat the epidemic should be employed ... There can be no question of skimping either with doctors or medical supplies." However, the general breakdown of order that prevailed on Germany by this time made it impossible to implement the command. -->
As British forces approached Bergen-Belsen, German authorities sought to turn over the camp to the British so that it would not become a combat zone. After some negotiation, it was peacefully transferred, with an agreement that "both British and German troops will make every effort to avoid battle in the area."
By negotiations between British and German officers, British troops took over from the SS and the Wehrmacht the task of guarding the vast concentration camp at Belsen, a few miles northwest of Celle, which contains 60,000 prisoners, many of them political. This has been done because typhus is rampant in the camp and it is vital that no prisoners be released until the infection is checked.
@Theaxe999 The Soviet Union had a Jewsih population around 2.2 million as well, with the highest concentration in the European half of the USSR, the piece Germany invaded. And don't tell me they all fled Europe.
Uh, no. Germany has never denied nor questioned the facts of the Holocaust. The Holocaust as a whole took around 12 million lives from Jews, Gypsies, Romas, Slavs, ethnic Poles, physically & mentally handicapped, political opponents, social opponents and mixed-race "bastards".
Either the DAS REICH or TOTENKOPF. This is one of the great battles the waffen ss had fought. the russians had more tanks and weapons. the attempt to retake kharkov failed.
Waffen SS = a big waste of material and resources, and all the manpower and material should have been used to strengthen and expand Heer units instead. Hitler craeted a disorganized mess, and leaders such as Speer and Guderian etc. were stifled in much of their attempts to rectify the disoraganization created by Hitler, Goring, etc.
At the start of the war the SS was a disaster. The Heer took Poland, Denmark, Norway, France. The Heer executed the early war Blitzkriegs. Only once the SS relaxed their stringent recruitment policies (You had to be tall, blonde or light haired with blue or green eyes and had to have firm National Socialist ideologies) was there an improvement in their abilities.
And they were more specialised in Armoured/Mechanized fighting units hence they received superior equipment than the Heer.
Read again. "Only once the SS relaxed their stringent recruitment policies. . ."
I know the SS used foreign nationals. By the end of the war, 60% of SS soldiers were non-Germans. I said in the early days of the war they tried to keep it all German, meeting tough selection criteria but that changed. And no. only the "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" started out as a bodyguard unit. The rest were all raised for combat. Leibstandarte is "bodyguard" in German after all.
@Eleanorfan1992 Absolutely not....Waffen ss was composed by fanatics and fight with an insane sens of duty...the ss divisions were "famous" with propaganda but they were even destroyed in combat because of their..."crazy minded"..but never better than the soldiers of Heer.. If you take fallschirmjagers and landser or panzergrenadiers of Grossdutchland, or Afrika Korps there is no comparaison..
@MultiJanche Insane? Crazy minded? Mind your language, I have talked to dozens of Waffen-SS soldiers who were not even 18 when they "joined" the Waffen-SS. Those were not fanatics or crazy, you have to learn a lot more about World War Two and the armed forces of Germany during the war.
@Eleanorfan1992 Ho no stress with the WWII i'm historian and if u read just one book about ss( i talk about great book with a good job of investigation and documentation)....you must use words like "crazy minded, insane(sens of duty) or fanatic. If you know the book "Hitlerjungen: the baby division" or "Last days of SS Götz Von Berlichingen" and perhaps a last one "1942, first step in the Florian Geyer". And,please...if u don't know a man..don't use "u have to learn more about..."
@MultiJanche If you are an historian you should know better.The Waffen SS soldiers were political soldiers, first and foremost. They were the elite of the National Socialist movement. Formed with a true belief in NS and a will to die for it. There is notthing crazy about these soldiers, other then they had a cause and an ideology which was worth dying for.Read books like "From Leningrad to Berlin", Felix Steiners book etc.If you dont agree with the ideology , thats one thing (you French f*ck)
@Zonnewende88 AHAHAHAHAHA u proov my answer with yours...tank you!!!! But you confuse "bravery" and ''madness"..beetween soldiers who carry out the duty and a dangerous ideology with fanatical executioners.. Ho and sorry my poor little boy but...i m not french..but with Insults so distressing like "french f.ck" You have to be a young idiot for sure..
@Eleanorfan1992 I think u can see my previously message..ok just last few great(in french) historical books from Jean-Luc Leleu, La Waffen-SS, soldats politiques en guerre, Perrin, 2007, or from Daniel J. Goldhagen, Les bourreaux volontaires de Hitler. Les Allemands ordinaires et l'Holocauste, Paris, Seuil, 1997 and a great one from Charles W. Sydnor, La division SS Totenkopf, Revue d'histoire de la Seconde Guerre mondiale, Paris. "Bonne lecture mon petite"! ^^
The Axis (and non-Axis) countries that helped Germany on the Eastern Front are Rumania, Italy, Hungary, Finland, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, and Spain.
The SS also recruited from both Axis and non-Axis countries (and occupied countries).
Some of the Panzer IV's shown were from 3rd Panzer Division With the Berlin Bear markings. This was not a SS division and was raised in Berlin. It was quite a division though.
Not True. The only countries that truly helped Germany was Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, and Finland. Though foreign volunteers did join various SS units.
these guys all died. The entire 7th Army was encircled and the Luftwaffe couldn't deliver supplies. They were starving, freezing, and running out of ammo. Their last letters home were intentionally never mailed. They fought to the death, knowing surrender would only get them executed.
That's incorrect. If you read the book "hell on earth", which is the real story about an Norwegian SS voulenteer, which served in "Wiking" 4. Kompani, you'll see that many died, but 25%n made it through or something...
Im not saying your inferior compared to me...but according to the NAZI state,you are. I can trace my bloodline back to the 1600...and even further back.
My grandfather served in the Waffen-ss(to become a memeber you had to prove your pure blood back to the 1600)
I dont support the racial view of the Nazi state...people who look down on others are the inferior once.
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man you suck
i can also trace my bloodline to 1400 i'm moorish my grandfathers kicked the ass of ur father(viking) in 969 in the battle of sevilla (many of ur woman were captured
the black moorish race is the master race? What a joke! What would nazis (which you admire - a second joke!)say about your race? The considered your race a subhuman diversion
Im glad few Norwegians volunteered for the nazis, and im also fed up with those young stupid Norwegian nazi wannabees invading the internet with their stupid views and history falsification. Like pretending Norwegians fought for the Nazis on the Eastern Front in vast numbers and with huge military influence on any outcome.
Unlike the German conscripts who eventually served on the Eastern Front hardly with any leaves off, most Norwegians SS-volunteers only served for a 6 months period, untill they went back home and got high positions in the Quisling-regime and with the nazi police (Stapo) and nazi militia (Hirden), spending most of their war time harassing their common Norwegians, and doing all the dirty jobs for the Gestapo.
My grandfather was Norwegian was a proud holder of the Iron Cross II. He is not listed since no one have approved using his name...his brother even changed identity after the war.
My GF best friend was KIA in 1943.
you dont know for sure if any Norwegians got the knights cross for sure..or not...or if they had deserved one. takk!
Why he should want call him self as Wehrmarcht after he served in SS? Joining to Elite ss divions was difficult. There was high Requirement for that. Backwarded germans served in Wehrmacht or in poor SS divisions like NORD only small % was decent to join in one of those 4 elite divisions.
my grandfather served in the 5.SS in a motorized unit. It was considered to be elite.
And he had to prove his race back to 1600's and the training was hard.
And yes..he was a grenadier in the wehrmacht. Waffen-ss was under the wehrmacht.
I think you mix whermacht with the heer(army).
The Wehrmacht = Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and the Waffen-SS. They were all controlled by the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht. But they each had their own Oberkommando.
Agony of the third Reich
Vanyaaynav 3 months ago
Yes i'm belgian and i speak french. French speaking belgium? Once again it's NOT correct. there are differences like soldiers who carry out the duty with valor (i speak about great valor) but now i understand u better...u just do mixture with everything..like you say "idealist" in a video about waffen ss..idealists for a machine of death and destruction and society which advocates the annihilation of people (and his own society) I think that it is no more ideology..it's madness..
MultiJanche 5 months ago
The Waffen SS soldiers (the true Germanic Waffen SS (not the French, Ukranian, Turkmenistan etc) were firm believers in the cause.
You are a biggot and a lowlife to call them crazy while they were prepared to die for what they believed in.
Now piss off French frog.
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Zonnewende88 Ho and one thing..what do you now about sacrifice for a cause? Biggot and a lowlife...for somebody who confuses fundamental it's very interresting to see you giving lessons of morality..once again u give me reason with sentences like "now piss off french frog....my god you aren't only young, u are also an poignant asshole...Keep courage little boy.
MultiJanche 5 months ago
@MultiJanche I think I can understand sacrifice more then you ever can comprehend. The sad thing is, argueing with you, you don't get into the arguements ion anyway. You just shout something and you then are trying to make it valid by claiming you are a historian. You are a sad, cognitively challenged idiot.
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Zonnewende88 Ho..yes......i agree......keep courage little boy..
MultiJanche 5 months ago
@MultiJanche A reply I expected. Now piss off French frog.
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Zonnewende88 HOooooooouuu same player play for the second time...Hardly well to say the same bullshit(again and again)..If I was you, I would take time to study the History Instead of believing that you are right..
MultiJanche 5 months ago
@MultiJanche I have given you sources which claim otherwise. You still need to give one valid source which claims Waffen SS men were all insane......
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@MultiJanche You sad gullible idiot, still claiming he studied and knows history. You ever studied the SS? Algemeine SS/ Waffen SS or Totenkopfverbande/ Einsaztzgruppe? And the difference between them?
You are full of french sh*t
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Zonnewende88 If u read books i give u in the previously conversation...You can understand that your questions about all "kinds" of SS do not take place to be..But I see that it 's easier for you to think that you are right and to offend people...like a little boy of...12? 14 old? However keep this kind of energy....to back to school. Full of french shit? Hooooo at least you learn fast the insults for lack of the History...as i pity u...
MultiJanche 5 months ago
@MultiJanche Are you making any sense to yourself right now? I doubt it.
You could go into the "discours" and adress your arguements, you rather refuse to and just make wild assumptions about age etc.
Have a great time being pittyful, but first take a good hard look at yourself, complete idiot
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Zonnewende88 "take a good hard look at myself"?..form a small racist who knows nothing about History or who refuses to know what it really happened(And especially the waffen ss it's really...really grave) But I believe its too late and you are too stupid so that I made you an boosted History course..
"Complete idiot"? U progress..
MultiJanche 5 months ago
@MultiJanche Rest my case...You dont argue, you are just trying to find your way out of a discussion by behaving like an illiterate, not a historian.
You are full of it.
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Zonnewende88 For answer, take my last message.
MultiJanche 5 months ago
During occupation of Kovel , germans killed 3000 citizens and 11000 war prisioners...
olegsher 7 months ago
@olegsher According to Soviet criminals' propaganda that is. Nonsense of course. The citizens were killed in the artillery of both armies. This video shows Ukrainian men and Ukrainian policemen fighting alongside the Wehrmacht troops against the Soviet Army. So much for your mythology. I know a Dutch-German veteran who was drafted into the Reichsbahn as a technician in the Eastern Front. He was captured by the Soviets at Kowel. Only 4 % of the German POWs turned home. He survived hell in USSR!
IustitiaPax 7 months ago
@IustitiaPax
I am from Belarus.. My grandmother and grandfather where in occupation zone. They told me everything. Most of German-Nazi solders was murders and during occupation hundreds of thousands civilians was killed more was taken as slaves to Germany for work. All the Jews and other small nations was killed.After every partisan attack , Germans killed hundreds of civilians. Hundreds !!!! of villages was burned with all citizens alive .
olegsher 7 months ago
@olegsher Your grandmother and grandfather cannot have seen the 'murder of Jews', as the Jews were all in the Minsk ghetto and other concentration camps (Maly Trostinec etc.). You repeat the established view from Soviet media. Many Belarussians went to work in Germany as volunteers in fact, but they could not admit this after the Red Army had defeated the Axis Powers. Partisan warfare and reprisals were brutal from both sides.
IustitiaPax 7 months ago
@olegsher The German anti-partisan warfare was brutal and had hostage reprisals indeed against vast numbers of prominent male civilians. But 'all citizens were burnt alive' is a typical Soviet myth. Males would be shot if taken hostages and suspect of pro-Soviet partisan activity. But there was also a Bialorusskaya Rada in Minsk with million supporters. And women and children were mostly spared in reprisal actions against partisan villages even. I am a critical historian, nót Soviet propagandist
IustitiaPax 7 months ago
@IustitiaPax
Raping , killing and in best situation stilling was everywhere.. And in 1944 during retreating Germans Burned everything … By the way millions of soviet prisoners died after they were captured by Germans. In western Ukraine was big anti-soviet movement. They helped Germans to fight partisans and kill Jews and communists. So what? They totally wasn’t good guys )) And by the way 4 % is too good for Nazis after what they did during 4 years of occupation..
olegsher 7 months ago
@olegsher You finely repeat Soviet anti-German propaganda. In reality, in 1941, 'German'-uniformed Soviet secret police units set fire to all villages stormishly abandoned by the retreating (invasion-preparing advanced) Red Army. Not by Germans. And partisan warfare by the Soviet partisans (among whom Jews) can hardly be blamed upon the Germans alone. You honestly legitimate the mass-murder of German POWs by the Soviet Union? Most Soviet POWs in 1941 survived, although many indeed starved.
IustitiaPax 7 months ago
@IustitiaPax
I am repeat nothing.. I know cause i know peoples that passed occupation and fouth agains Germans.. I talked to them personnaly.. They my family and freinds.. Also i talked ti partizans.. All of them patriots that loved thier homeland.. And ""'German'-uniformed Soviet secret police "" -are you serious?? Me repeat propoganda???? ))))
olegsher 7 months ago
@olegsher You repeat Soviet propaganda. Soviet partisans were not patriots, but recruited agents. All people that stayed neutral were liquidated randomly. The NKVD units of 1941 in false German uniforms are historically documented, even if you deny it. Of course the Eastern Front and the partisan war was very harsh. But please look to the first video at my channel for a different view from Western Europe. If you understand French. Anti-communist Russian witnesses are still persecuted....
IustitiaPax 7 months ago
All the snivelling and whining little girls snivelling about germans getting their asses kicked: the germans started the war of aggression and then they lost. Too fucking bad.
Give up your dreams of deutscheland arising again: TO THIS DAY there are large segments of Britain, France, Russia and even America that distrust germans and any signs of german belligerence would end in a British, French, American or Russian nuclear bomb on deutscheland and the germans know it.
lukebccb 7 months ago
Hitler was a great warrior but not a geat politician.if u are wise, you will understand my point.
ImperialAdelaar 8 months ago
4:15 that's Sherman
sniperRobert 1 year ago
Der Nachschub von der Luft war sehr effektiv zur Moral.
notaire2 1 year ago
All these men who lived were probably sent to a German POW Death camps in West Germany or Siberia....FUCK America and Russia, Heil Hitler und Der Deutsches Reich!
SSPanzer94 1 year ago
@SSPanzer94 Death camp in west germany wtf lol
Yakowlevwkoja 1 year ago
I m not a german or a nazi..........but i have great respect 4 wehrmacht and waffen -ss as they r the best ever fighting unit in the history of warfare
TheArko1490 1 year ago 5
@TheArko1490 Хаха It's better to live in lie
soldier7799 7 months ago
Hey you @ 3:32, smoking is dangerous to your health. Rauchen Sie bitte nicht mehr !
pablof59 1 year ago
@DieRotTotenkopf
Only 2,4 millions Jews existed? Poland alone had around 3 million. With the USSR having around 2 million.
Auschwitz-Birkenau - 1,1 millions Jews
Treblinka - 700,00 Jews
Belzec - 434,500 Jews
Sobibor - 167,000 Jews
Chelmno - 152,000 Jews
Majdanek - 78,000
6 purpose built extermination camps killed nearly 2,5 million Jews alone. And these numbers were verified by the Soviets who liberated all the extermination camps as they were in Poland except one of them.
thestaggie 1 year ago
DieRotTotenkopf 1 year ago
@DieRotTotenkopf
Funny hoe Germany never tried to deny the Holocaust. Funny how the Soviet Union agreed with the West.
You are clearly a history revisionist, a Holocaust denialist and quite possibly an anti-Semite, so really pointless debating this subject with you.
For the record, I'm not Jewish, American, British, French or Polish.
thestaggie 1 year ago
@thestaggie there's a forum on CODOH called "But, but, No Nazi ever Denied" - oogah boogah, read it.
Theaxe999 1 year ago
@Theaxe999 As I've said, as a history student, I have NO time for history revisionists. In my opinion, in this case, history revisionsim is a manifestation of anti-Semitism and/or social & political opposition to the state of Israel. The 1936 Polish population census put total population at 36.1 million with 8.6% Jewish. That's around 3.01 million Jews in Poland alone before the war.
thestaggie 1 year ago
@thestaggie Right whatever, in other words you're too scared to look into it. There are lots of history students on the CODOH forums so don't try to make yourself sound special.
Theaxe999 1 year ago
@Theaxe999 Scared of what? The great, big Jewish conspiracy. And that site doesn't even talk about revising it, they go as far as denying it. I've done my research. Official goverment censuses carried out by the Polish & Soviet goverments show that there were easily at least 4 million Jews that came under German control, then add the other countries of occupation.
thestaggie 1 year ago
@thestaggie obviously this propaganda has short circuited your ability to reason. You're completely brainwashed and on top of that you refuse to READ the information. I challenge you to register to the CODOH forum and completely crush holocaust revisionism. Or keep making excuses not to, that just proves that holocaust believers are too scared to debate.
Theaxe999 1 year ago
@Theaxe999 Yeah, I am totally incapable of thinking for myself. Now, why would I join a discussion where I'll be met with the same response as what you've just given me? Telling me I've been brainwashed by Jewish propaganda. That response right there shows me you are more inclined to denialism than revisionism. Not interested.
thestaggie 1 year ago
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thestaggie 1 year ago
@Theaxe999
Too scared, ah that's why there are laws stopping debate at academic level. Let's see, many academics have produced mountain of evidence, yet they have had their careers and families ruined simply for trying to talk and discuss this topic. Also they have been put in jail
LOL and you talk about them being afraid to speak about it, jesus christ, it is precisely bcoz they have NOT been afraid to speak out, EVEN when the law will and HAS put them in jail.
CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@thestaggie join the CODOH forum, it's not hard.
Theaxe999 1 year ago
@Theaxe999 My grandfather was part of the British unit that liberated Belsen - where thousands of prisoners had been murdered, most dying from hunger, dehydration and sickness. He told me that and he certainly didn't lie. I'm sick of hearing this rubbish about "it never happened". Sure, and the war never happened. Was that propaganda?
blueray1969 1 year ago
@blueray1969
Maybe u should take into consideration that during the last 2 years of war there was not enough supplies for the german population, not to speak of prisoners in camps. This was mainly due to US und UK bombardements by the way which killed millions of germany civilians.
nethead4223 1 year ago
Of course there weren't enough supplies - there was a war on. The treatment of prisoners in camps was not justified by Allied bombing campaigns. Are you seriously suggesting that the gas chambers were a means to reduce the demand for supplies buy the civilian population and not part of the ethnic and social programme?
blueray1969 1 year ago
@blueray1969 I am not German, and my grandfather (still alive, 90 years old) fought against them during three weeks after surrendering at Duinkerke protecting with others the retreath of theBrittish allies (the 4 days!). No problem with your post here but what are you and Theaxe999 fighting here. I tought that this film is about Kovel and the Eastern front. Btw don't pay attention about deniers, they aren't wurth your time.
ecrins70 1 year ago
@blueray1969
Your gfather may not have lied, as in he told you what he was told himself, which is a false account of what happened. In Belsen, as in all the other internment camps, there was no gassing of the Jews etc. Gas was for the sole purpose of de-lousing. Lice carried typhus which was a real massive problem. It was typhus which killed about 200-300,000 people in the camps.
The bodies your gfather found were killed by that, even though he was lied to also, by the higher ups.
CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@blueray1969
During the final months of the war, tens of thousands of Jews were evacuated to Belsen from Auschwitz and other eastern camps threatened by the advancing Soviets. Belsen became severely overcrowded as the number of inmates increased from 15,000 in December 1944 to 42,000 at the beginning of March 1945, and more than 50,000 a month later.
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CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@blueray1969
Many of these Jewish prisoners had chosen to be evacuated westwards with their German captors rather than remain in eastern camps to await liberation by Soviet forces
CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@blueray1969
Disease was kept under control by routinely disinfecting all new arrivals. But in early February 1945 a large transport of Hungarian Jews was admitted while the disinfection facility was out of order. As a result, typhus broke out and quickly spread beyond control
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CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@blueray1969
When SS chief Heinrich Himmler learned of the typhus outbreak at Bergen-Belsen, he immediately issued an order to all appropriate officials requiring that "all medical means necessary to combat the epidemic should be employed ... There can be no question of skimping either with doctors or medical supplies." However, the general breakdown of order that prevailed on Germany by this time made it impossible to implement the command. -->
CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@blueray1969
As British forces approached Bergen-Belsen, German authorities sought to turn over the camp to the British so that it would not become a combat zone. After some negotiation, it was peacefully transferred, with an agreement that "both British and German troops will make every effort to avoid battle in the area."
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CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@blueray1969
By negotiations between British and German officers, British troops took over from the SS and the Wehrmacht the task of guarding the vast concentration camp at Belsen, a few miles northwest of Celle, which contains 60,000 prisoners, many of them political. This has been done because typhus is rampant in the camp and it is vital that no prisoners be released until the infection is checked.
CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
@Theaxe999 The Soviet Union had a Jewsih population around 2.2 million as well, with the highest concentration in the European half of the USSR, the piece Germany invaded. And don't tell me they all fled Europe.
thestaggie 1 year ago
@thestaggie look up the NAFH challenge as well
Theaxe999 1 year ago
The world Assholes
Aclaim Bush/Obama and all
American/Zion War like "Irak Freedom"
Uhhh i can see now the Weapons of Sadam or the conection whit the 9/11?
Enjoy more Fairytales
Coming atractions in Korea , Iran , Venezuela and all Evil People who says NO to America interest.
DieRotTotenkopf 1 year ago
I like all fary tales from the War
Only exist 2.4 millons of Jews in all
territory in Germans hands but the History or Allied Story now says someting of "6" Millon of Deaths in the "Evil Camps" ,
more of 3 Millon of Survivors Jews Demand Money from Germany.
Extrange the Tale of the 90.000 poor Survivors of the Camps?
DieRotTotenkopf 1 year ago
@DieRotTotenkopf
Uh, no. Germany has never denied nor questioned the facts of the Holocaust. The Holocaust as a whole took around 12 million lives from Jews, Gypsies, Romas, Slavs, ethnic Poles, physically & mentally handicapped, political opponents, social opponents and mixed-race "bastards".
thestaggie 1 year ago
yeah the 5th ss panzer division was only breaking the encirclement.....what units were encircled?
Nebelwerfer89 2 years ago
someone know what ss division fight in this battle??
g36c1 2 years ago
Either the DAS REICH or TOTENKOPF. This is one of the great battles the waffen ss had fought. the russians had more tanks and weapons. the attempt to retake kharkov failed.
PEDROCLASSIC 2 years ago
failed?? but i know that they taked it. then they losted it again
g36c1 2 years ago
5th SS Wiking
jogeryjogo 2 years ago
thnx
g36c1 2 years ago
hitler is stupid..
Berlin wasnt prepared for a fite
in berlin there were almost no tanks !! no panzerwagens no recources no ammo.
stupid volkssturm with crappy weapons.
almost no medics NO LUFWAFFE a few men of the waffen ss and nothing but an army with no weapons !
sorry but he was stupid
MelvinMoviez 2 years ago
when you control a nation and take over europe you can call him stupid, untill then STFU
topf3ss 2 years ago 2
Waffen SS = a big waste of material and resources, and all the manpower and material should have been used to strengthen and expand Heer units instead. Hitler craeted a disorganized mess, and leaders such as Speer and Guderian etc. were stifled in much of their attempts to rectify the disoraganization created by Hitler, Goring, etc.
christof139 2 years ago
Well, in many ways the Waffen SS was way better then the Heer.
Eleanorfan1992 2 years ago 3
At the start of the war the SS was a disaster. The Heer took Poland, Denmark, Norway, France. The Heer executed the early war Blitzkriegs. Only once the SS relaxed their stringent recruitment policies (You had to be tall, blonde or light haired with blue or green eyes and had to have firm National Socialist ideologies) was there an improvement in their abilities.
And they were more specialised in Armoured/Mechanized fighting units hence they received superior equipment than the Heer.
thestaggie 2 years ago
@thestaggie
LoL
You are another Hollywood "Historian"???
Read a real Book of the SS or see youtube videos from the Multiracial SS ,
the pre-war SS are only a Squad of Protection who grews to Waffen SS Europa at the end of the War whit Arabs , Indians , Slavic and Latins Voluteers.
Learn of the real SS and Leon Degrelle
DieRotTotenkopf 1 year ago
@DieRotTotenkopf
Read again. "Only once the SS relaxed their stringent recruitment policies. . ."
I know the SS used foreign nationals. By the end of the war, 60% of SS soldiers were non-Germans. I said in the early days of the war they tried to keep it all German, meeting tough selection criteria but that changed. And no. only the "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" started out as a bodyguard unit. The rest were all raised for combat. Leibstandarte is "bodyguard" in German after all.
thestaggie 1 year ago
@Eleanorfan1992 Absolutely not....Waffen ss was composed by fanatics and fight with an insane sens of duty...the ss divisions were "famous" with propaganda but they were even destroyed in combat because of their..."crazy minded"..but never better than the soldiers of Heer.. If you take fallschirmjagers and landser or panzergrenadiers of Grossdutchland, or Afrika Korps there is no comparaison..
MultiJanche 6 months ago
@MultiJanche Insane? Crazy minded? Mind your language, I have talked to dozens of Waffen-SS soldiers who were not even 18 when they "joined" the Waffen-SS. Those were not fanatics or crazy, you have to learn a lot more about World War Two and the armed forces of Germany during the war.
Eleanorfan1992 6 months ago
@Eleanorfan1992 Ho no stress with the WWII i'm historian and if u read just one book about ss( i talk about great book with a good job of investigation and documentation)....you must use words like "crazy minded, insane(sens of duty) or fanatic. If you know the book "Hitlerjungen: the baby division" or "Last days of SS Götz Von Berlichingen" and perhaps a last one "1942, first step in the Florian Geyer". And,please...if u don't know a man..don't use "u have to learn more about..."
MultiJanche 6 months ago
@MultiJanche If you are an historian you should know better.The Waffen SS soldiers were political soldiers, first and foremost. They were the elite of the National Socialist movement. Formed with a true belief in NS and a will to die for it. There is notthing crazy about these soldiers, other then they had a cause and an ideology which was worth dying for.Read books like "From Leningrad to Berlin", Felix Steiners book etc.If you dont agree with the ideology , thats one thing (you French f*ck)
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Zonnewende88 AHAHAHAHAHA u proov my answer with yours...tank you!!!! But you confuse "bravery" and ''madness"..beetween soldiers who carry out the duty and a dangerous ideology with fanatical executioners.. Ho and sorry my poor little boy but...i m not french..but with Insults so distressing like "french f.ck" You have to be a young idiot for sure..
MultiJanche 5 months ago
@MultiJanche Well, you are a Walloon, french speaking Belgium. There really is not much difference between them really.
Furthermore,I disproved your point you made and I reacted to. Try to read it again.
Idealists aren t crazy minded, nor insane. They were loyal to the death for what they believed.
Zonnewende88 5 months ago
@Eleanorfan1992 I think u can see my previously message..ok just last few great(in french) historical books from Jean-Luc Leleu, La Waffen-SS, soldats politiques en guerre, Perrin, 2007, or from Daniel J. Goldhagen, Les bourreaux volontaires de Hitler. Les Allemands ordinaires et l'Holocauste, Paris, Seuil, 1997 and a great one from Charles W. Sydnor, La division SS Totenkopf, Revue d'histoire de la Seconde Guerre mondiale, Paris. "Bonne lecture mon petite"! ^^
MultiJanche 6 months ago
The Axis (and non-Axis) countries that helped Germany on the Eastern Front are Rumania, Italy, Hungary, Finland, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, and Spain.
The SS also recruited from both Axis and non-Axis countries (and occupied countries).
tacotony24 2 years ago
and bulgaria
PEDROCLASSIC 2 years ago
and they all lived happy ever after :)
isnt that nice?
TheOioink 2 years ago
Some of the Panzer IV's shown were from 3rd Panzer Division With the Berlin Bear markings. This was not a SS division and was raised in Berlin. It was quite a division though.
GordonForgives 2 years ago
kovel was in poland.......now part of belraus :)
Nebelwerfer89 2 years ago
wow, pretty incredible fight.
Vicksburg63 2 years ago
FUCK U PARTIZANS I m NOT A GERMAN BUT I LOVE SS THEY PROOVED THAT THEY ARE THE BEST FIGHTING UNITS IN WHOLE HISTORY OF WARFARE
SrbinSam01 3 years ago 2
too fucking bad
fortunantly for you...youre serb untermensch
SS13E3 2 years ago
Count yourself lucky they weren't good enough to win. As a non-German you would have been born into slavery you dope.
cristop5 2 years ago
Serbs and 20 other nations fought with Germany. !
FinalWar1444 2 years ago
And they beat the evil cunts. They are true heroes.
cristop5 2 years ago
Not True. The only countries that truly helped Germany was Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, and Finland. Though foreign volunteers did join various SS units.
CommanderofUNSC777 2 years ago
if your not german, then you would be a slave now if they won, or not even born as they would have killed your mother and farther.
binboyuk 2 years ago
I agree
Szczurable 2 years ago
these guys all died. The entire 7th Army was encircled and the Luftwaffe couldn't deliver supplies. They were starving, freezing, and running out of ammo. Their last letters home were intentionally never mailed. They fought to the death, knowing surrender would only get them executed.
Shittywaffles 3 years ago
hahaha this was 1944 retart haha xD
g36c1 3 years ago
That's incorrect. If you read the book "hell on earth", which is the real story about an Norwegian SS voulenteer, which served in "Wiking" 4. Kompani, you'll see that many died, but 25%n made it through or something...
You described Stalingrad I think:P
Ruben1994OL 3 years ago 2
hi hitler seig heil
fibonaci75 3 years ago
I count 5 elite SS divisions 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 12th all inflicted heavy casulties on the enemy.
2dSSDasReich 3 years ago
3rd SS was that good of a unit. I think 4th SS Polizei was better then 3rd SS.
Kubelwagen 3 years ago
i'm an algerian nazi hi hitler & seg hell from algeria fuck u.s.a
viva ss waffen viva heynrich himmler .kannaris.keitel....
fibonaci75 3 years ago
idiot
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
suck my dick bastard
fibonaci75 3 years ago
? what the fuck...
Your gay??
trailertrash and gay...
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
fuck ur mother
fibonaci75 3 years ago
no thanx..
how old are you..
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
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you bastard don't talk with your master
you belong to the inferior race
fibonaci75 3 years ago
lol...SHUT THE FUCK UP DIPSHIT!
Im not saying your inferior compared to me...but according to the NAZI state,you are. I can trace my bloodline back to the 1600...and even further back.
My grandfather served in the Waffen-ss(to become a memeber you had to prove your pure blood back to the 1600)
I dont support the racial view of the Nazi state...people who look down on others are the inferior once.
But im proud of being arian and viking by race
Barbraossa85 3 years ago 3
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man you suck
i can also trace my bloodline to 1400 i'm moorish my grandfathers kicked the ass of ur father(viking) in 969 in the battle of sevilla (many of ur woman were captured
fibonaci75 3 years ago
I doubt your of arian pure race...
And the only nation that gave my grandfather and his unit a real assbeating was the USSR's Red army.
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
the black moorish race is the master race? What a joke! What would nazis (which you admire - a second joke!)say about your race? The considered your race a subhuman diversion
apofit 3 years ago
haha! crazy guy
nickie2011 3 years ago
OK but Canaris was in the Stauffenberg plot to Bump of Hitler
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago
Is this in the Western Ukraine? When in 1944 does this Kessel Battle occur. Is it around the time of Kamenets Poldolsk or Korsun and Cherkassy?
1546592 3 years ago
Mein ganzer Respekt für diese Leistung!
Mein Opa war in der Waffen-SS, ein Kesselsprenger.
Ich bin sehr stolz auf ihn :-)
Wiker74 3 years ago
my GF was there kicking ass and saving the german army. WIKING!
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
well thank god for that!
jbonham978 3 years ago
even though im not german, i do respect the german forces.
eguil52 3 years ago 10
14/88
Kampfsport 3 years ago 5
heil dir !
123Jhoira 3 years ago
they dropped bombs on them that dont explode?!
shortskater444 4 years ago
They dropped "support-bombs" with ammo inside.
Not explosive ones...
slythesusly 4 years ago 7
my grandfather was there...
WIKING!!!
Cozorax 4 years ago 6
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u r NOT and never will be one of us,only ppl of pure german stock can call themselves WEHRMACHT
u r second class lackies
acx123 3 years ago
one reason you'll never win a war
those that help you,you still insult
ah well the german why i suppose
24165897 3 years ago
say dude who mark homeland as United states of america.
pelipom 3 years ago
i can show you my family bloodline on both sides back to the 1600's . my GF served in the 5th SS Panzergrenadier Division Wiking.
Im not german, but Norwegian...even better than German ;P
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
loll
In2Infinity 3 years ago
a true arian...a true viking.
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
they tell us in this video that the Wiking division broke the German army out...they did one hell of a job!
And they were Scandinavians....hahaha...not German
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
it was a mix
germans and scandinavians.
panzermatt 3 years ago
Wiking peaked at 19.000, and of those only 700 were Norwegians.
90% of the Wiking were non-scandinavians, mostly Germans.
Most Scandinavian with Wiking was probably its name and insignia.
Only 6.000 Norwegians volunteered for the SS. At most only 1.500 Norwegians served at same time on the Eastern Front.
12.000.000 germans served in the East, to put those very cracked up 6.000 into a perspective.
No Norwegian were ever decorated with the Knights Cross, unlike 8.000 germans and other axis.
JARLIKSEN 3 years ago
Im glad few Norwegians volunteered for the nazis, and im also fed up with those young stupid Norwegian nazi wannabees invading the internet with their stupid views and history falsification. Like pretending Norwegians fought for the Nazis on the Eastern Front in vast numbers and with huge military influence on any outcome.
JARLIKSEN 3 years ago
Unlike the German conscripts who eventually served on the Eastern Front hardly with any leaves off, most Norwegians SS-volunteers only served for a 6 months period, untill they went back home and got high positions in the Quisling-regime and with the nazi police (Stapo) and nazi militia (Hirden), spending most of their war time harassing their common Norwegians, and doing all the dirty jobs for the Gestapo.
JARLIKSEN 3 years ago
some of what your saying is correct.
My grandfather was Norwegian was a proud holder of the Iron Cross II. He is not listed since no one have approved using his name...his brother even changed identity after the war.
My GF best friend was KIA in 1943.
you dont know for sure if any Norwegians got the knights cross for sure..or not...or if they had deserved one. takk!
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
Why he should want call him self as Wehrmarcht after he served in SS? Joining to Elite ss divions was difficult. There was high Requirement for that. Backwarded germans served in Wehrmacht or in poor SS divisions like NORD only small % was decent to join in one of those 4 elite divisions.
pelipom 3 years ago
my grandfather served in the 5.SS in a motorized unit. It was considered to be elite.
And he had to prove his race back to 1600's and the training was hard.
And yes..he was a grenadier in the wehrmacht. Waffen-ss was under the wehrmacht.
I think you mix whermacht with the heer(army).
The Wehrmacht = Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and the Waffen-SS. They were all controlled by the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht. But they each had their own Oberkommando.
your welcome:)
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
When did he joined waffen ss? After 1940 there was no need to prove aryan birth, just 175 long, good teeth was criterion. for nordic volunteers.
pelipom 3 years ago
1940 and he was 17. 193cm and blond and he proved his family back to the 1600
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
Have you nerver asked why he joined wiking not like some others joined norwegian volunteer skitroops and served in finland under germans comander.
pelipom 3 years ago
he was in Finland when he was 16 in 1939. When he was 17 in 1940 he joined the WAffen-SS
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
im sorry...your talking about ss divisions. Waffen-SS divisions??
Barbraossa85 3 years ago
Leibstandarte,Das Reich,Wiking,Totenkoph.
pelipom 3 years ago
really?? cool you must be proud of him
g36c1 3 years ago
Nice clip!
zipper81 4 years ago 5