Karajan conducts Mozart Symphony 41 'Jupiter' iv

[kuribohkrazy]

this is definatly not karajan. Karajan concducted pieces as if he was the composer who composed the piece. Mozart was a delicate composer and Karajan would surely took note of that. This piece just sounds like a normal non-trained concductor. Definatley not kARAJAN

[Timrath]

@kuribohkrazy Gah... I hate it when amateurs speak as if they were experts. This is indeed Karajan.

That's the way they used to play Mozart back in the 40s and 50s. If it sounds awful, then that's partly due to what the taste of those times were, and partly due to the primitive recording techniques. We're talking grammophone technology here.

[1hanamoon]

i love it as much as i love marybeth

[maxreger100]

If I didn't know who this was, I would immediately have thumbed it down. Harsh, bombastic, manic and out of control in many sections. Those who wish to criticize von Karajan need only listen to this.

[igorvragovic]

Another good example of classical symphonic counterpoint is Sinfonia per la chiesa by Joseph Martin Kraus (1765-1792).

[vkoracx]

listen,people ,what is all this fight about?

I have heard Karajan's interpretation of Mozart's 40 now and there is absolutely no mistake-this is Karajan too

same qualities-densely packed,a lot of energy and tension,fast tempo,same orchestra as the 40 recording

this is what happens when one genius meets another-you get a really great and interesting music

[jezmuff]

God, how awful does the woodwind section sound in these recordings? At least, in its relation to the Strings, which are overwhelming. This is certainly the most innovative and complex movement of Sym. 41.; so many subjects/countersubjects/theme­s etc...

[plouw09]

Of course it's Karajan! Most of his recorded music dates from 1960 onward. This is 1940, which means it's early Karajan, and thus quite a bit different. Just like early Beethoven, which could very easily be mistaken for Mozart, and then of course the late Beethoven, which is very characteristic.

[polymath7]

1940? Ah, thanks; you answered my question before I asked it.

This sounds quite different from the 1975 recording I used to have on CD.

[jezmuff]

@plouw09 Early Beethoven is absolute trashy horseshit; worse than Salieri. No comparison to Mozart please.

[plouw09]

Mozart was a genius, yes. But Beethoven equally, and his music possesses a passion Mozart could never match.

[ininacsot]

@plouw09 oui c'est ptrop tard

[muesk3]

@jezmuff Oh please... The first piano sonata already showed glimpses of Beethoven's brilliance. As did the first symphony and the early string quartets. Early Beethoven is no worse than early Mozart, but were rough, but one could definitely see where these men were going.

[Timrath]

@muesk3 The first sonata isn't really "early Beethoven". He was already 25 whe he wrote it.

And while it is indeed a masterpiece, he did follow up on it with some really trashy sonatas, like the numbers 2, 3, 6 and 10.

[muesk3]

@Timrath That's still early Beethoven. He started late with his publishing, agreed, but it is correct to label it early Beethoven. Though that hardly matters, what does matter however, is that you seem to call good pieces of music trash? They're surely not up there with his finest works, but trashy, really? On what grounds?

[vkoracx]

@Timrath

trashy sonatas?

not his mature works but certainly not trashy

to call them "trashy" shows ignorance and stupidity

[Timrath]

@vkoracx My, my, aren't we charming today.

No, it doesn't show ignorance or stupidity. At best, it shows arrogance, which I don't deny. I'm neither stupid nor ignorant for disliking something that is so unbearably mediocre, compared to all the other masterpieces Beethoven wrote. They may sound exciting to someone who doesn't know a lot of music, but to me they're just bland. Call me a spoiled brat, if you must.

But tell me, have you actually played those sonatas I mentioned?

[vkoracx]

@Timrath

it is not mediocre it is a composer -genius at the beginning of his way and ,let's talk about op2 n3 - it already has many of the romantic elements that are new to music and revolutionary

even better-I analyzed these sonatas ,not only played them

some of Beethoven works are less successful but I would never include there his piano sonatas ,or at least not all of the numbers you mentioned.. op2 n2 is less successful and Beethoven might have deliberately put them among two more succ.

[vkoracx]

@Timrath

two more successful op2 n1 and op2 n 3

I especially like op2 n3 and I really think that person who calls it "trashy " or "mediocre" do not know a lot about music or is just here to provoke

[princessebrune]

this is certainly NOT KARAJAN !!! stop making this kind of stupid jokes !!!

[deandusk]

it is you who should check before saying something embarrasing for yourself only !

buy the recording, listen it, and be amazed. yes this is h von karajan.

p.s.: it's from the first recordings of karajan (1930-40s)

[PraiseH]

I concur. This does not sounds like Karajan at all.

[Mozafunkula]

Its Pure Karajan, The Tempo, The Furiosity in it, The Power of The Strings, It cant be BUT Herbert Von Karajan.

[werewethere]

Thank you!

[sosamuera]

Y como músico te digo que este movimiento en concreto ha provocado el asombro de todos los sinfonistas posteriores.

[steel74bis]

Gracias por subir ésta sinfonía, en general esta bien, se nota la mano de Karajan en la dirección.

[sosamuera]

Que es lo que está bien (así, sin más) la sinfonía o la dirección? Si te refieres a la sinfonía, te informo de que se trata de una de las mayores creaciones musicales de la historia.