Zimbabwe - Human Rights Are For Humans Only

[smeggerss]

I'd like to buy a hout a rope and hang him from a tree.....

[candlumland2010]

just crazy...

[alg5honor]

Black people are animals and like that they must be treated

[UnjustifiedMartyrs]

how do we stop the endless hypocrisy that plagues mankind?

[7olusegun]

Whether or not Africa is saturated with mineral resources does not give any white man any right(s) to violently invade Africa to rob them of their mineral wealth and brutally kill their inhabitants (in some cases over several centuries). There is no where recorded in history where the converse occurred. The matchless ATROCITIES committed by European caucasians in places like South Africa, Rhodesia, India and U.S (on natives), WW1 and WW2 (on other whites also) was immeasurable and innumerable.

[Dezorza]

@7olusegun Sure the reverse occurs right now in Europe. Africans robbing and killing the indigenous white people.

[7olusegun]

You don't get what I am saying do you? I said has there ever been a situation in which Africans violently invade a white man's country with the sole aim of politically seizing power from him and forcefully draining or stealing his resources? If there is, let me know; a situation in which Africans invade a white man's nation, politically seize its power, put white people in jail in their own lands and brand them terrorists also? Such perversions (even as of today) are the white man's legacy.

[Rugby1989Scot]

@7olusegun Apart from Zimbabwe, that is. Political power seized? Check. Resources stolen? Check. People in jail, branded as terrorists? Check. I don't think the old ways were any better, but just wanted to point out your hypocrisy. What's weird is that in Zim, compared to say SA, the violence and injustice meted out are uncaring of race; if anything the blacks suffer more,  not having the resources to flee. Mugabe is evil, mad even, possibly due to symptoms of tertiary syphylis.

[7olusegun]

@Rugby1989Scot Let me also point out your hypocrisy: You fail to view past events which led to the problems in Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) was colonially ruled by Britain. Mugabe was tossed into jail for 11 years (in his own land, branded as terrorist) by the white man. The white man confisticated and shared most of its land amongst themselves (85% of Zimbabwe lands belonging to white farmers: something which can never occur in reverse in Britain). Mugabe simply reversed these evils done.....

[7olusegun]

@Rugby1989Scot ...(Cont'd) and took back the stolen lands, giving it to the rightful owners. Mugabe had ruled Zimbabwe since 1980. Throughout up to recently, he was never viewed as an evil man until he took back those lands. That was when he was viewed as "evil" by the western nations (especially Britain). The latter nation once wanted to attack Zimbabwe (citing b'cos of the ills Mugabe did to his people but matured people knew better). This angered Mugabe and made him more hard hearted.........

[7olusegun]

@Rugby1989Scot (cont'd).. The reason why Mugabe became hard hearted & refusing to relinquish power is b'cos if he did, the world axis powers (especially Britain) will push for the re-confistication of those lands & undo the justice he had done. You hypocrite; did you consider the whole picture before judging? All the Zimbabwe imbroglio was centered on land issues (other ills followed later). Mugabe bursted the white man's supremacy bubble, making the white man very upset. This is the truth.

[7olusegun]

Things occuring now in Zimbabwe aint overnight nor could it be taken in isolation. It is linked by past violent events brought about by violent immigrants from Europe that invaded many of the nations in Africa for selfish and sinister motives. Mugabe had ruled Zimbabwe for the last 29 years. It is now (relatively recently) that international attention (including you) are focusing negatively on him. Why aint he criticized all these while and why recently (only after taking back lands)? Think well

[7olusegun]

If you knew all these ills were occuring in other African nations, why then did you initially solely focus on Zimbabwe (when these ills are even worse in other nations)? And why do it reluctantly (claiming it opens a can of worms, but that of Zimbabwe was spuriously opened with ease by you)? Zimbabwe would have been great anyway if the whiteman did not initially invade to colonize it in the first place. The evils the white man brought laong with him overshadowed his 'civilizations' bringing.

[7olusegun]

By your own twisted mind of reasoning, you ought to have used that your brain if at all you have any I.Q. to have first known that it is one thing to migrate to a different country to settle peacefully; it is another thing to migrate violently to take over power of the host's country and commit all manner of atrocities (including confiscating political and economic powers militarily) of the host's nation. Learn to first think & use your brain numbskull. It's not your business where I am going.

[7olusegun]

There are also starving and dead children in Ethiopia, Sudan, Rwanda, India, Sierra Leone etc etc. Set your mind on those and leave Zimbabwe alone for a change. Whatever goes on in Zimbabwe aint any whiteman's business. If the whiteman did not barbarically invade Zimbabwe in the first place, annexed upto 85% of its lands and put Mugabe into prison for 11 years (even in his own land), the animousity Mugabe had for them may be less than now and these problems would not had occurred at all or ever.

[7olusegun]

Why then were you focusing incessantly on Zimbabwe? What right do you have poking your nose into another nation's business? You incessantly block out other nations performing (even worse) than Mugabe because he was a blow to your race's swollen headedness (unlke the rest of the wartorn nations). Hence you use the 'can of worms' canopy into wanting to block them out. This testifies to your dire selfishness and evilness that will stop at nothing into destroying lives for the sake of their wealth.

[7olusegun]

Look man, forget about Zimbabwe, turn your attention somewhere else (e.g. like the devastated Iraq done by US and British forces on its population and the effects of the crippling sanctions on its people or the arms sales of war weaponry by US (and Britain) to UNITA rebels in Angola with devastating wars for over 20 years on its population or the sales of US (and British) weapons to India and Pakistan, fuelling the devastating wars with untold hardships to its people). These are all far worse.

[7olusegun]

You are telling me; Your kind from Europe (Britain) invaded South Africa (for example) and MERCILESSLY SLAUGHTERED many thousands of the native inhabitants and condemned most of the rest to live in abject poverty while the ruthless intruders lived in the best places; or like your type invading what will be called 'North America' and MERCILESSLY SLAUGHTERED WITH IMPUNITY the native Indian populations of the lands. Do you think you (or your) race are saints? You merciless large hypocrite.

[7olusegun]

You typical white washed melanine impoverished skin and pointed nosed entity; why are you changing the story (like your sly kind)? What has 'who came first' got to do with what we were discussing earlier? You hypocritical liar; It's you who is wailing and crying foul b'cos of righteous justice been meted out to you or your kind b'cos the owners of stolen treasures have rightfully claimed back his goods stolen by criminal robbers (your kind). What bastard logic could you use to justify your ills?

[7olusegun]

You put 'black' in parentheses. Did Ethiopians migrate into any whiteman's country to annex their lands? Racist melanine impoverished beings invaded other lands to propagate their bigotted 'normal' ideologies with impunity and the fact that you are focussed on Zimbabwe than any other shows your true color of who you really are (a prototypical racist supremacist whose ego had been deflated by justice). The stink the whiteman propagates via wars in other nations makes him a general world enemy.

[7olusegun]

Yes I aint dispute blacks committed crimes. If you think black crimes are great, what can you say regarding crimes committed by Hitler, Stalin, Polpot, Britain, US (on other nations)? These were among the most evil men (or deeds) in world history that helped change world events negatively. Britain started the dastardly evil slave trade (taken over by the US). Tell me of any black man who violently invaded any white man's lands (with mass killings where necessary). If there are, let me know.

[7olusegun]

The whole focus of the white man on Zimbabwe aint b'cos of Mugabe's problems with Zimbabwe but b'cos he took back the stolen lands the British annexed. The whiteman sees this is a blow to his swollen headed supremacist ideology and bigotted belief of ''I can do to you anyhow I want (whether or not you like it); but you must obey and do good back to me'' (and I'll force you if necessary). You skip talking about other nations like Sudan, Ethiopia etc which suffer even worse b'cos of your bigotry.

[7olusegun]

You are telling me. Many of the wars in the world that lead to heavy genocides were covertly backed by the sales of weapon munitions by especially U.S. and Britain in connivance with the western backed rebels and warlords of those warring nations. Careful and thorough research shows this. You're focussing on Zimbabwe b'cos Mugabe rightfully took back the lands Britain annexed. Yet the same white man committed heavy genocides in U.S, South Africa, Diego Garcia, Slave trading etc. how about those?

[BigBossRell123]

darn crackers there nothing but pigs!!

[7olusegun]

The history of the early founding of South Africa (for example) and the acquisition of other sovereign lands worldwide by the white british during the collonial era testifies to the fact that white cacausians killed vast numbers of Africans and Asians during the formation of their empires.

[Znaika1]

This is not quite the case of ZImbabwe. Rhodes negotiated with Lobengula for years, and the pioneers entered Zimbabwe only after Rhodes bought mineral rights from Lobengula in 1888. Later Rhodes bough land concessions in Zimbabwe from Liepert, who had them from Lobengula. Whites drove blacks from their lands forcefully only after blacks rebelled and killed 10% of white population during the first chimurenga. Land retrubutions were commonplace at the time, also among blacks.

[7olusegun]

In South Africa, there was cordiality between the local Zulus and Dutch settlers until the british came and devastated this relationships, killed countless Zulus (in their own land) and set up heavy apatheid systems in that land. Same they did to the Indians, Diego Garcia, Nothern ireland, Jibraltar etc, etc. White man has no right whatsoever to invade another land (of blacks etc) and brutally take over power of such lands, point fingers at other people and calling them terrorists.

[7olusegun]

They (cacausians) have achieved unparalled brutality in the course of fufilling their clandestine motives that very ardent terrorists will only dream of competing with envy. Who are the monsters and who are the hypocrites? What i am saying is well known. Will you like I invade your house, slaughter you and relatives, occupy your house with force, fight with your relatives that escape and point a finger at you and branding you a TERRORIST?

Such was the white man's offensive heritage.

[whereitsat309]

So all that colonial History and War crimes by people who came from Europe is accepted and understood, there can be no doubt about it.

So... with that accepted, do you believe it is correct for Mugabe and Zanu PF to attack and torture opponents and fix an election result? Or not?

[7olusegun]

I too will ask you: is it correct for the USA and Britain to invade Iraq, kill people torture iraqi citizens and damage that nation's infrastructure and economy and help place a puppet Iraqi government under the guile of fighting terrorism?

[whereitsat309]

It certainly is not. I and millions of men and women in the UK and US opposed and continue to oppose an unprovoked and totally unjustified war of aggression in Iraq. It was not, is not and can never be right.

[whereitsat309]

So again, with the Iraq disaster accepted, do you think torture, murder and fixing elections are acceptable?

[7olusegun]

Mugabe had ruled Zimbabwe since 1980 (about 29 years ago) and for the last 26 years, nobody focussed on Mugabe being an evil man. It was after he rightfully took back the lands (about 85% of Zimbabwe's lands confisticated and owned by cacausians) in the last 3 years (or thereabout) then international focus (including you) was made on him as an evil man. Why now are you focusing on him? other nations also fixed elections (including the US on who become president). Focus on those nations to judge.

[whereitsat309]

I and others have expressed disquiet with Zanu PF and Mugabe since before Matabeleland & 5th Brigade in 1982. The farm confiscations were a DISASTER that has had terrible consequences for the economy. Mugabe could have resolved these lad issues anytime after 1980 but he only did it to try and drum up a crisis that he and his cronies could benefit from.

[whereitsat309]

The problems of the 2000 US Presidential election have been covered elsewhere and I have Bugliosi's book on the Supreme Court decision, Strange that you think that make it OK for Zanu to fix an Election.

You also willfully miss my point again. I am not talking about nations, I do not speak for the US or UK, I only speak for myself, as do we all.

Again I ask you, are torture, murder and fixing elections acceptable, TO YOU?

[whereitsat309]

What's wrong? Run out of diversions? I ask you again, Sir: Do you support TORTURE, MURDER, and FIXING ELECTIONS??

[7olusegun]

Are you a cacausian? Can I ask you why you are focusing on Zimbabwe (Mugabe in particular) why what he did was not unique (when compared with other nations of the world)? And why now? These whole chain of events centers on the land issue which he rightfully took from his collonial masters and gave to his indigenes. The reason why he (Mugabe) became brutal was because he fears whoever suceeds him might reverse his land reform policies (backed by Briton) with the latter re taking back those lands.

[whereitsat309]

I assume you are asking me if I am White? The word "Caucasian" categorises humanity based on physical type alone and is an obsolete term representing 19th Century eurocentric racism. You use of it shows ignorance of the pseudo-scientific racism that gave birth to the term. I am a white male of Scandinavian stock living in Britain, according to research members of my family has lived in western Europe for over a thousand years, I make no apology for my heritage.

I

[7olusegun]

In other words, you, Arabs, Chinese, japanese, Mongols etc and all those that are white skinned are all the same (just as you will classify all blacks (or negroes) the same through your subtle racial treatments to them. If your interests in human rights is not limited to Africa, why then have you been focussed into pestering me to answer your question regarding Zimbabwe (while what Mugabe did aint unique amongst other nations of the world) and why now? Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe... what's the problem?

[whereitsat309]

I do not need "other words" my words are my own. I don't actually classify human beings, whatever the colour of their skin, their national origin, they all deserve and are entitled to full human rights. You are the only person in this conversation who has mentioned race.

[whereitsat309]

I'm afraid that you haven't taken up that much of my time, this is pretty easy I'm afraid, I knew that you would not answer my first question and the facts are in: YOU are an apologist for TORTURE, MURDER and FIXING ELECTIONS, as long as you support the people who are doing it. You support CRIMINALS, RAPISTS and KILLERS which more importantly, makes you a fool.

[whereitsat309]

I am done with you now, sir. You have cooked your own goose.

[7olusegun]

Thou fool; you claim to behave innocent but in practice you support oppression and selfishness (i.e. you crave eating you cake and having it too). Mugabe had a personal vendetta against colonial visitors who invaded his land and jailed him in his own country for 11 years (something which is unthinkable in reverse) and branded him a terrorist in his own land. he rightfully took what these colonialist took by force and gave it to indigenous denizens, which makes you focused angered.

[7olusegun]

Like the colonialists cared when they invaded Zimbabwe and other African lands, brutally killed and oppressed the native population and provided unparalled racism in those oppressed lands. I am no advocate of injustice or wickedness in any way but your focussed motives (especialy regarding Zimbabwe) indicate your (typical) selfishness, covetousness, avarice and injustice on other lands, all of which propel your focus on Zimbabwe Just because someone did something you aint in favor of. That's it.

[whereitsat309]

My interest in Human rights abuse is not limited to Africa. In the case of Mugabe and Zanu PF, they are the authors of the disaster that has over taken Zimbabwe, of this there is no doubt. Now is obvious because the regime became more violent and more dictatorial. The land issue was a distraction and a set up, Zanu had 20 years to resolve the land issue in fact in 1980 Mugabe asked the farmers to remain, to help build the new Zimbabwe. The Colonial masters had long gone.

[whereitsat309]

Britain had no interest in reversing this policy, rather the UK's interest was the rights of people who held British passports under International law and Zimbabwean law. Your other statement is completely wrong, the land "reform" campaign was brutal and corrupt to start with, Mugabe has always been brutal, in Matabeleland in the 80s and with a fixed election in March 1990.

[whereitsat309]

As for the things that others do, is it acceptable for you to murder your children because your next door neighbour does it? What are you talking about? Again this brings us to the first question I asked you: Do you support TORTURE, MURDER, and FIXING ELECTIONS??

[Znaika1]

"white cacausians killed vast numbers of Africans"

Talking of whites killing black people is a hypocrisy to say the least. Do you know that Ndebele regularly massacred Shona before white man came? Their very capital "Bulawayo" is translated as "a place of slaughter". Their rebellion against whites was triggered by the fact that whites did not allow them to massacre Shona furhter, who hid in whites' fort. No one ever killed blacks more than other blacks. Whites account for the smallest part.

[7olusegun]

Nay, it is well documented in history. The white man not only killed millions of blacks but also other peoples of other nations in their countless millions during their spread of their collonial empires. Is there any history you know of in which blacks invaded white man's land to kill and conquer? The white man came to Zimbabwe, killed local resistance forces, imprisoned Mugabe for 10 years in his own lands (etc, etc) and plundered the mineral resources for a long time.

[Znaika1]

Google "Zulu War 1818-1828" for a start: "Shaka fought for extermination. He decimated clans; he impaled men on the stakes. By 1823 Natal was a depopulated ruin of smoking kraals. Marauding clans left 2,000,000 dead. With his mother's death Shaka became psychotic. About 7,000 Zulus were killed in his grief, and for a year no crops were planted, nor could milk be used. Pregnant women were slain with their husbands, as were thousands of milch cows, so that calves know what it was to lose a mother"

[7olusegun]

I am not doubting Shaka's evils. Shaka is relatively a 'humane saint' when compared with the likes of Hitler, Moussoulini and Stalin all cacausians that shook the world with unparalled countless millions of deaths and changing world history. Whatever black people do to themselves are their own problems and not any business of a collonial visitor to enter his (black) lands to cause more killings (as this never occured in reverse).

[guardfarce]

Don't worry about Shaka - he's dead.

Worry about Mugabe, who needs to be dead very soon.

[7olusegun]

I aint the one who brought up the Shaka history actually. Moreover even after the death of Mugabe, it is not likely the lands will be given back to the previous white confisticators (which is the crux of the Mugabe-western imbroglio).

[guardfarce]

Fair comments, but once Mugabe is gone, and gone he will be eventually, experts in agriculture, irrigation, conservation and land management must be brought in urgently to set right the damge done and get those desperately needed first crops in the ground and managed.

Its likely that the experts will be white farmers and thier stewardship and guidance will be needed until the locals are as skilled as the white and can stand alone. this will not be any time soon.

[7olusegun]

Yes that's possible and business no doubt. But hiring someone to do something aint mean the same as owning something (i.e. a tenant and a landlord are completely different).

White farmers may be called to again farm the land. I aint against that in any way. But justice had been done in taken back the lands given to them by their collonial colleagues at the forceful expense of the native inhabitants.

[nihatrou]

American blacks like southbobby need to be gone from our country. Their comments here show you how much sympathy they will have for whites if we give up power to them here in America. Whites have the power, we just need to wake up to the fact that black people are the enemy! We need to bring back the lynch mobs to protect our children from them!!!

[Fuckmugabe]

Mugabe should be negotiating a power-sharing agreement that would take into account the opposition's victory in a first round of presidential elections in March.

[DisposableName]

Could do. Should do. But will not do.

There was never any sincerity from him or his party faithful to resolve this impasse.

[moviedude111]

life expectancy below 30 there yet?

[DisposableName]

Not sure, but it must be close for an average.

[moviedude111]

Pathetic....well they voted him in..again.

[Fuckmugabe]

An honourable exit for Mugabe - After ALL that he has done,we wont let that happen.We will ensure he pays in blood for the crimes he has committed against his own black people.He will be buried in an unmarked grave.We will never,ever forgive him and his commands and atrocities he has ordered.

[DisposableName]

Thumbs up for your comment

His honorable exit should not be allowed.

But yet we know that it will probably happen, and we must ask if it is better to accept his honorable exit than to continue with more suffering and death.

Unlike many YT commenters on Zim, you are actually HERE with us & sharing our daily troubles. You know we are strong but not for much longer. He must go sooner, not later. So I am resolved now to accept the probability that he will have a soft landing as he leaves office.

[tomaluta]

western sanction killed million of irak no saddam now sanction killing zimbabwe no mugabe

[tomaluta]

I do not get pay by bob, but wittness MUGABE #

kick out pink farmer and resist to uk & us policy in africa..that make me proud,MUGABE will be my hero 4ever,

he get our land back from pink evil (system)

[tomaluta]

WHY THIS PINK FARMER DIDNT TRAIN ZIM PEOPLE,

why this pink farmer had access to word market

GABON.CAMEROON,NIGERIA,GHANA..­.NO WHITE FARMER? THANK YOU CHINA & RUSSIA TO VETO THE EVIL

[macafricascot]

The goverment are supposed to provide education you idiot. Instead they lined there own pockets.

[7olusegun]

same Britain as of now still forcefully occupying Northern island, Gibraltar (Spain), Falkland Islands (of Argentina), Diego Garcia and had bloody robbery histories relating to the occupation of other nations (which are now independent as of now). So Britain, back off Zimbabwe and mind your own business. This is the raw bitter truth. Though Mugabe is an evil man, Britain is far worse. Mugabe's evils began very recently (though he had ruled for 28 years).

[macafricascot]

The Zimbabwe president's quintessentially English identity, never more obvious than in his recent, sixth inauguration in a stiff ceremony featuring the incongruous white-wigged, red-robed judges of the colonial era, hides Mugabe's deep sense of inferiority and a disdain for his own people.

[7olusegun]

The "disdane" of Mugabe for his own people was (and is continuously being) fuelled by the continuous hounding of his regime by colonialist's allies after rightful acquisition of lands covetted by colonialists in time past. For many years past, Mugabe was not seen as a vicious man, but only recently immediately after the lands acquisition with colonialists' castigation. This continuous castigation is what fuels his viciousness on anyone against him.

[macafricascot]

Sure land needed to be redistributed but not in the manner Mugabe did it. He asked White farmers to remain in the country when he got into power! His corrupt goverment failed to educate Black farmers how to farm properly so when they were redustributed they went to ruin. A lot of the land was given to political allies so it was not really redistribution anyway.

[7olusegun]

Though I aint no mugabe fan or supporter, I support the lands forceful reacqusition from the colonialists (though this and other environmental factors like draught) conspired bringing famine to the land.

[macafricascot]

wakey wakey! dont blame drought on the collapse of the farming in zim. The new owners of the land had no clue how to farm it properly. farming is a skill! do you think when you mown land you automatically become wealthy? it's like getting a taxi driver to fly a rocket ship. you ideas are racist against whites u'd rather see zim fail than have whites in the country.

[DisposableName]

So true macafricascot.

RGM is desperate to be as British as can be, but the Brits reject and humiliate him at every opportunity currently and in history.

His behaviour at our whites and the British is very contradictory. He condemns them loudly and openly, but yet is still desperate for their approval.

I am a black Zim, you are not...and yet we agree also on the farming. It is a skill requiring training,luck, support, hard work. The land dist handover was necessary & badly managed.

[7olusegun]

Not so! I aint racist against whites in any way. I am for justice and equality. Imagine I come to your house by force, bundle you and all your households to your backyard (and kill those who resist me), take the best parts of your house and distribute your house and environs area among my folks! Will you fight me or not? That was what the whites did to those in Zimbabwe, South Africa etc, etc. Taking back the lands from them aint racism but righteous justice.

[DisposableName]

Justice ?

Yes, we MUST have our land back.

Not Negotiable.

But can you agree with me that it was utterly wrong how we did it ... and how we still do it, even right now - to this very day.

It is not right for us to behave such as this.

Not to our selfs and not to our whites either.

Our other options to reclaim our land are numerous and far better. We MUST dispatch our resposnibility to ourselves, and to our white citizens who we need more than ever at this time.

[7olusegun]

Yes I agree with you, it was taken in a wrong way; so also was it coveted by the whiteman from the blacks in a far more sinister way.

[Skelm49]

When the first white man came to this country there were about 400.000 blacks in a area bigger then France or Texas. No where in the world can 400.000 people use all this land, specialy not in the time before there were roads or transport. The land belongs to the person who cultivated and developed the land. Many people had work and were looked after. Where are the black farmers? And why do they need aid while the white farmers didn't?

[7olusegun]

Whether the land is bigger than Texas or France or not is no reason whatsoever for colonial visitors to rob it or its people. They were not invited. Overall the evils the whiteman propagated during the conquering of these black lands far exceeds any of the 'goodies' they brought with them. Mugabe was imprisoned by the whiteman in his own land for about 10 years (similarly, Mandela for 27 years in his own native South Africa). These heinous crimes cant even be rivalled by Arab terrorists.

[DisposableName]

Why not let them stay and be part of our solution. Their land holdings must fall to us in future generations. I believe in that.

But this IS their land too for now. They are the ones with the expertise and skills to help put us right. They have committed to us not from greed, but because they belong here right along side me and all of us.

Fair and lawful acquisition of the land is what is needed. Proper compensations for them, and then lease back to those who have the skill. Whites.

[Skelm49]

You are an American and not an African. What do you know about Africa?

Because of the food production of the white farmers, the African population grew from 400.000 in 1890 to 12 million in 2000. That is amazing.

[7olusegun]

On the contrary, I am African (Western part). African nations or regions were thriving autonomously long before the colonial visitors (with sinister motive agendas) forcefully intruded into these regions and committed atrocities of which ardent terrorists can only dream about. The whiteman was not invited or begged to come into these African nations to plunder them. If you were black african with your relatives killed by these collonialists, you will hate them passionately.

[Skelm49]

Ah West Africa, the slave traders...amazing.

[7olusegun]

Whatever.

[2observant]

Is that how the poor San Bushman should feel about his eviction by the Bantu in Southern Africa, and that the Mandebele people of Zimbabwe should feel about being denied their traditional killing of the Shona, by no less than Cecil John Rhodes?

[7olusegun]

Though I am no hater, but I see it via the eyes of those black people affected. The kind of brutal rule regime Hitler wanted to propagate on his white folks caused a WORLD war as no white man wants to be brutally oppressed. Yet this same type of regime was imposed by the whiteman in South Africa, Zimbabwe, U.S. America etc during the Apatheid era in those nations for a long time and it was 'normal rule' to these evil white colonial visitors.

[7olusegun]

I rather prefer black rule (in which there might be chaos) ruling black lands to white colonial rule of black lands because the reverse will never be allowed to occur. Period.

[DisposableName]

You prefer chaos ??

Well, you are not alone.

And we have your wish, but I am not enjoying it. So we can not agree so it seems.

[macafricascot]

why can't both live together? Why does it have to Black vs White? If a White man loves Africa and wants to contribute surely he should be welcomed? I'm not talking about White people who are there for some quick money (and I know there are some) but there are/were many whites who love africa and want to be apart of it.

[7olusegun]

Of course both can live together. But no matter how cordial different races seem to be, there's that unconscious fact that one race believe they are superior to other(s) and shows it either subtly or otherwise. Black tribes fighting each other are both their problems, but a white tribe coming to fight black tribes (especially for selfish motives) will raise eyebrows and bring about lasting and atavistic apathy.

[macafricascot]

Bud people have been occupying other people's land since time began. The Matabele took land form the Shonas in Zim, the Zulus from the Xhosa in South Africa etc etc. The way forward is legitimate goverments looking after the people.

[7olusegun]

power after such a long time (since 1980). I think this man would have liked to step down from power and enjoy civilian life, but for this main powerful reason, he will do anything (even barbaric to remain in power. Britain (and other European nations) has no right to interfere with Zimbabwe's political affairs (just like Zimbabwe has no rights in European national affairs). The so called "concerns" Britain is having for Zimbabwe is hypocritically idiotic; This is the

[7olusegun]

the raw truth I see.

The main reason why Mugabe is behaving badly is probably because he's afraid his next successor might reverse what he had done and give the lands back to the colonialists (though Mugabe rightfully took back the lands but with bad management follow up plans, leading to all these farming). Apart from this, I see no other reason why he wants to stay in

[7olusegun]

you badly and anyhow I like; but I expect you to return it with good to me always". Returning bad back to me will trigger me to raise an alarm against you, branding you a terrorist or an evil personality. This is the basis of the colonial mentality; "we are the superior race; all other races are inferior". This is the most entirely evil mentality propagated via subtle means (especially via legal pathways) is the prototype colonial mentality. I don't care what others say, but this is

[7olusegun]

parts of his (owner's) house and be good or honest? Exactly what the British did to Zimbabwe. Another reason why the British are hypocrites is that they covertly sell munitions weapons to Somalia, India, Pakistan etc, etc, used by the warlords to kill and make the lives of the citizens of these respective countries a great misery. Yet little or nothing is said about these evil activities; rather much is said about the activities of Mugabe. This is the colonial mentality: "I can do to

[7olusegun]

acquired via colonial rule (imagine British civilians owning 85% of the Zimbabwean lands; something which will never happen in reverse). Secondly, it might be a personal thing triggering Mugabe's rightful land acquisition: He was tossed into jail by the British colonial regime for decades as a freedom fighter, resisting colonial rule. Will a stranger enter someone's house through brute force, take the best parts of that person's house and arresting him in the less favourable

[7olusegun]

For goodness sake; why is Britain poking its nose into Zimbabwe's affairs? (Though I am not a Mugabe (an evil man) supporter; (don't get me wrong, Mugabe is an exceptional idiot), but the so-called concerns Britain have over Mugabe's running of Zimbabwe is frightening. These British's concerns are artificial. It has nothing to do with Mugabe's harsh rule, but truly rather due to unjust vengeful anger over Mugabe rightfully taking back the lands the British forcefully

[Funkfo]

Bush has nothing to do with this you uneducated prick.

[70tee]

hell is waiting for mugabe.

[ladylittles]

While this is true, if any real harm comes to British/US ambassadors/citizens, they will gather together to change the guard in Zimbabwe and wipe that country out.

[lilchocoere]

What is taking so long, for those that don't know Mugabe has cancer and is partially blind i don't think i have ever wanted anybody to die i want him to feel the suffering as well him and his cronies

[Lillypanda2]

I would love to be in the Jury if he would ever be bought to justice. Mugabe his cronies, and so called Zanu PF thugs.... when the day comes you will be very afraid!

[Rangerpjonwebx]

Agriculture is state-supported big business. Zimbabwe's old logistics systems are broken (dug up, yanked out, or busted). So Zimbabwe just has to design and develop new systems that support food security. 

Food Aid agencies are good at one thing: "begging bowl logistics". Zimbabwe should develop some real know-how so they can kick them to the curb. LOL

[Fuckmugabe]

Mugabe drove off the white farmers, but he did not give the land to their black workers; instead, he drove the black workers off too, often with worse violence than he used on the whites

[DisposableName]

Our WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO is for Mugabe to die while he still our President. If that happen, then who then is there for us ? ... they will not let MDC take over, they will not even allow an election if that happen.

NO. We must get rid of Mugabe this time for sure. Our troubles will be worse if he remains and eventually dies while still in office.

Fuck Mugabe?

YES. But not at any cost. He must NOT be killed or die while he is President. He must be forced out first, but not 'eliminated'.

[Fuckmugabe]

So all you Mugabe Zanu Pf supporters,is this then a fabrication,a somewhat figment of your imagination ?And you all say this isnt happening > Mugabe MUST be "eliminated" at all costs.