Wat the fuck is wrong with u people? its a movie, i can happily say i believe in a God and laugh at this funny and fun movie. Invoking discussion is great, it allows people to look at things through alot of perspectives, but when you go around just being arrogant in your views and attacking others it just looks rude and stupid.
This goes to athiests, religious people and all people out there.
"Christianity is the belief that a cosmic jewish carpenter zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so that he can remove an evil from your soul that is present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense". XD
This explains why religion was made. It was made to give people hope. I don't belive in the holiness behind christianity, however I do think that Jesus or whoever tried to improve peoples lives and 2000 years ago people were probably a lot more gullible than they are today. Think about it. Religon encourages people to be good through fear. The bible was written by a lot of people over time and I think that it has been greatly altered.
@Xrox122 I'd argue we're arguably more gullible today. I say this since we should know better yet despite the facts, despite the odds, the science and lack of serious bodily harm for NOT believing, the majority still believe this stuff. There is little to no excuse for that. I give em a pass 2000 years ago. Not today.
I want to see this movie, it looks hilarious. And guys, everyone's view on what one calls "God" is different. If I believed God was some man in the sky being a tyrannical bastard, hell, I'd be atheist too. You can't argue theism vs atheism if one's perception on what you're arguing about is that narrow.
@EpicFaggotory Totally agree. Atheists think if they disprove the Man in the Sky or Jesus myth then they've solved the big question. That just goes to show that their understanding of the god question is just as conservative and narrow as the theists they are supposedly arguing against. People say agnostics are somewhere b/w theists and atheists but I disagree. We are alone on one end of the spectrum, while the other two duke it out pretending to be polar opposites. Both are guilty of certitude.
@knifeofspaghetti I don't see how. seems pretty retarded to be an atheist actually. See if I believe in god and everything and I end up being right, then I go to heaven. But if I am an atheist and there ends up being a god then I go to hell. But if I end up being right about there being no god then I still gain nothing. I just rot in the ground. So it seems like a much smarter thing to do to go with the side that actually has something to gain.
you follow a religion out of fear? doesnt that seem wrong to you? and how do you know which religion is the "right" one? I mean, if you pick the wrong one you go to hell/whatever bad place that religion believes in, and there are literally hundreds of religions to pick from. why not just do what YOU feel is right throughout life. no one can ask anything more of you than that.
@burntoastvideos According to your logic god must be a real gullible idiot. Wouldn't you fear that God could see through your bullshit, that you never really believed in him. You just claimed to so as to be on the "safe side". Dont you think an all seeing all knowing God would spot that a mile away and call you out on it? It's a matter of belief. You could claim to believe in God just to be safe but obviously in your heart of hearts you're not believing anything. Just being political.
That god can see through one's petty attempts to pretend to believe in him when in reality it's just what he thinks is his best bet of getting into heaven (if there really is an afterlife, that is). Well said. And i believe you said that you're agnostic? Please tell me, if you don't mind, what it is exactly that agnostics believe. I've heard various things but nothing from an actual agnostic (or is it agnost?) Is it that proving/disproving god is impossible? Or something else?
@noURstupid100 you can see my explanation of an agnostic sort of in my response to EpicFaggotry below. But basically there are two types of agnostic I'd say. The middle of the road type that is unsure of the God thing or they might not even give a damn either which way. Or you have what I'd consider myself which is like a devout agnostic. Meaning that the scope and scale of the God question is so vast anyway that it is unobtainable to us either which way. So just enjoy life. Or hate it. Either.
(CONTINUED) An interesting theory, and I would buy it, but the fact of the matter is that there either is a god or there isn't a god. I hope you'll agree that if one does exist, he/she/it only had anything to do with the initial creation of the universe (because something from nothing, like the big bang, still sounds impossibly unlikely, I admit), and certainly NOT anything to do with the creation of earth, and if one doesn't exist, then the universe must have simply existed.....
@noURstupid100 Sure the Big Bang is to me just as preposterous as creationism but the scientific method is designed so as to make "guesses" until proven otherwise. Just goes to show that the human ego whether scientific or religious is incapable of fathoming the notion that "Alwaysness" exists. Things must be created musn't they? God/The Big Bang, are just reflections of the human ego's insatiable need to explain shit that we're not qualified to really explain. It's a dog and pony show.
......Is that there has to be an answer. Maybe we don't know for sure which one is right and which one is wrong, but the fact of the matter is that either god DID create the universe, or he DIDN'T create the universe. There is no hazy in between; It's a black and white question with a black and white answer. That said, isn't it OK for someone to pick a side and stick with it instead of remaining undecided even though we don't know which side is right?
@noURstupid100 That's a bit of binary thinking. The actual truth of the matter is if you are prepared for the concept of "alwaysness" then it's possible the universe never was "created", therefor asking whether a God created it or not is not only irrelevant, it's the wrong fundamental question in the first place. Maybe it's a western mode of argument but oversimplified black or white calls for truth, are just assumptions. You're assuming it's down to black or white. There are other games in town
@EjkoUSC hoo boy, so much to say, but I'll try to keep it brief....
1.)Why is it that if there is a POSSIBILITY that the universe was never "created" then asking if there is a god is irrelevant?
2.)Yes, life is suddenly easier because we don't have people constantly killing each other over whose god to believe in when in reality most religions preach the same basic principles (with a few exceptions, of course).
@noURstupid100 1) You can ask all the live long day, best of luck getting the answer. 2) And how is life easier? Not sure if you got the memo, but whatever conclusions you happen to come to have no bearing on the rest of the world's religious strife. And you might want to read Joseph Campbell, a leading expert on the world religions. This assumption that the religions all basically teach the same thing is really a hippy liberal assumption. They teach totally different things fundamentally.
not easier for me, maybe, but if everyone was atheist/agnostic/didn't care so goddamn much about religion, then I bet we wouldn't have as many problems as we do now.
@noURstupid100 Well thats tha whole other kettle of fish. I assume you're strictly talking about how you'd be on a daily basis. Or me myself. If you want to speak on behalf of how humanity wakes up in the morning.... That's some heady postulation there :)
@noURstupid100 Sure you can pick a side and stick with it but once you've picked a side what are you gonna do with it anyway? Is life easier suddenly? I bet you there are some alien cultures out there who never even conceived of God or never conceived of the notion that the universe was specifically created in the first place. If that is possible (and it is) then your black and white reduction theory holds no water. That is the litmus test. Indecision is a decision. As is agnosticism.
3.)If there are alien cultures out there (which there probably are) why is it that if they've never conceived of "creation" that the idea of creation is then impossible?
4.)What do you mean by universal questions? Questions that can only have one answer? Please explain because I really am confused.
5.)Even if a god were found that has no persona or reward system, it would still mean that there is a god (which is, again, doubtful to me. I believe in "alwaysness").
@noURstupid100 3./4.) Not saying creation isn't possible. I'm just saying that you're assuming the origin of it all boils down to two and only two possibilities. Universal questions so to speak. I'm saying its human bias/ego to assume those are the only two options at the end of the day. It's a question and an answer you're purporting to argue on behalf of the entire universe. 5.) I'd argue if such a god were found people would re-label it/him and strip of of its God title. Haha.
btw, its nice to have someone who at least presents thought provoking arguements in a non-arrogant tone. Or worse, use no logic whatsoever like those angry christians who just keep using bible quotes to prove that the bible is right (wtf is up with that, anyway?)
@noURstupid100 That's cause they're not conditioned to resort to silly things like logic in defending themselves or even asking questions. In fact they are blackmailed into feeling like they are cheating on their hell-bent lord for even second guessing or conducting the dialogue in the first place. And they are encouraged to fuck up anyone who has the nerve to not sign on the dotted line at the mere mention of the word Jesus. or Muhammad.
@noURstupid100 So that's the thing. If you endeavour to start asking and answering UNIVERSAL questions you need to budget universal possibilities. I'm not trying to call you an egomaniac but it's human conditioning to ASSUME the questions we are asking are universal and simple. I'm saying if you take that God question to a culture that never conceived of that question and ask their own "universal" questions we never conceived of then the question you're asking isn't so universal after all is it.
6.)Your idea of "god" is too narrow and, in my opinion, wrong. "God" doesn't have to be thought of in a religious sense. To me, the idea of a "god" is that he/she/it can act outside the boundaries of physical possibility. See, for every effect, there must be a cause (Please, don't tell me that this isn't true). What, then, is the "initial cause"? This question can only be answered with two equally impossible answers: "There was no cause", or "god did it".
@noURstupid100 Narrow? Please explain. My concept of God transcends all traditional religious modes of consideration. Everything I've been writing has been in discussion of a god concept without religious borders. Besides what if God did it but did it for no cause? Theres an entirely third option you didnt even contemplate.
If you're so open to alwayness then I am surprised why you still are dead set on boiling it down to either God having created us, or nothing having created us.
thats not really a third option, that falls under "something created it." And from now on, instead of saying "god", im just going to say, "something that can act outside the realms of physical possibility", or STCAOTROPP, for short. haha
@noURstupid100 Also that let's say we somehow absolutely disproved conclusively that Jesus is a myth, Mohammed, reincarnation, buddah, heaven, hell - disproved them all and more, you still have not really disproved at all whether "God" exists. God may exist but has no gender, no rules or regulations, no punishment or reward system. The concept is so vague and stupifying that it's arrogant to even pretend to understand it let alone argue for or against it (you listening atheists?). Thats the idea
I see. And just to clarify, I wasn't trying to be condescending, if that's how you took it. I really am simply curious as to what agnostics believe. So basically, the idea is that the concept of god is so ridiculously vague and unknowable (which I agree with) that it's foolish to try to take an absolute side of "yes, one does exist" or "no one doesn't"?
(CONTINUED) .....then there is, again, absolutely no evidence that a god exists. My point is this: In a choice between two equally likely yet still impossible to prove options, there really is no point to a debate. That won't change anything. What WILL change something is proving to people that no man can or ever will do what jesus supposedly did (or any other idols for that matter). I feel that because some still vigorously follow such beliefs, we will never have a perfect world.
(CONTINUED) ....since the beginning of time itself, which, admittedly, makes even less sense. But really, aren't these the only two options? And isn't it the case that one MUST be true and the other MUST be false? If the universe was created by a god, then that must be the only thing god has ever done, which means that it's pretty much unprovable, since there is no (known) way to figure out what happened before the universe began. And if the universe has always existed,....
@noURstupid100 Not really. It's like this. Let's say you come to me with a couple sparse and speculative pieces of information regarding a murder case then you demand I make a decision as to whether the man is guilty or innocent of murder. To which I say 1) Well you havent given me enough information either which way and 2) There is nothing at stake anyways with my conclusion. The truth will be whatever it will be with or without my input. We live with a binary pressure to make a "choice". So?
Well, I personally don't have a problem with "alwaysness", as you put it, but many people do. And the preason that you NEED to make a decision is that there is MUCH at stake in your conclusion, even in the example you gave. Someone's freedom is on the line in your example, and an entire population's freedom from crazed religious teachings is on the line in the real world. You want examples of how bad religion can be? Again, ask and ye shall receive.....
@noURstupid100 No, if you re-read my example, it's like someone ASKING your conclusion whether person X is guilty of murder or not and arbitrarily making you feel as if you must make a choice. I never said my opinion would convict or release the person. Maybe I didnt explain that clearly. Someone tries to make me feel as if I must decide that there is or isn't a god is dumb cause it's not like anything is at stake. There is this egomaniacal assumption that the fate of the world is at stake.
OK, with your example maybe there isn't anything at stake, but with religion there most certainly is. Yeah, you can argue that religion motivates people to do some nice things like set up soup kitchens for the homeless or do missionary work in impoverished countries, but to me, it ultimately comes down to one thing: it segregates people in ways that they really shouldn't be segregated. Look at the middle east. Why the hell is there soooo much unrest? Because the people there.......
@noURstupid100 Besides this obsession with origin could go on forever. You're saying that there are only TWO possibilities and that God creating the universe is one of them. Since you're assuming that creation/initiation is inherent in the process. Alright well then what's to stop you from asking who created God? Suddenly not interested in asking that? Alright then who created the thing that created God? Whose god's grandpa? See? The question is so vast you are taking it for granted.
@noURstupid100 See people have trouble grasping "alwayness" so they say god did it. But suddenly they have no trouble accepting that God always existed? See religion and science alike are programmed to assume creation is involved at all. And the extent and name for that creation is either God or Big Bang. Both explanations are equally childlike and preposterous.
...... can't come to terms with the fact that other people around them pray to a different deity. And so they fight. And I feel that that's wrong. To me, it shouldn't matter what other people believe in. You want to pray to Allah or Yaweh(I think that's how they're spelled)? Great. More power to you. But when people start trying to kill each other over it, I draw the line. And as for that whole elaborate explanation about the beginning of the universe, all I'm trying to say....
@EjkoUSC And this I ask as well: Let's say somehow we were able to prove beyond a doubt that "God exists". So congrats to all you believers out there, you have your god. Only thing is we find out this god has no persona, punishment or reward system, oversees nothing, and in fact isn't even aware it/he created anything at all. We would reject it. God may exist, but it wasn't the thing we needed it to be when we needed it.
"If god created man in his image, man certainly returned the favor."
In the end, all I'm saying is that religion, in it's current state, is detrimental to the human race. I say "in it's current state" because I really do believe that if people would 1.) stop forcing there beliefs on one another and 2.) admit that they don't have all the answers, then religion would be a pretty darned good thing. But that's not how it is, unfortunately, so I must continue to oppose it. But again, I have nothing against religion, only the way it's being practiced.
@burntoastvideos What are you ten years old? BTW I've seen what you have to offer comment wise on this board and you have shit to bring. Can't believe you still practice troll slang. So 1999.
@EjkoUSC this board? It's a freakin comment page on youtube hahaha which has really become quite awful. just gross people like you on here now. But alas, trolls were trolls years ago and still, they are trolls my friend. But I must go back to the real world now. Have fun carrying on conversations on here for the next few months lmao. loser.
@burntoastvideos Wow cause a board is so much more noteworthy than a comment page. I'm sure internet dorks like you do lament "the glory days" of youtube (as if there was such an era). Have fun living in the past eschewing retarded and juvenile sentiments and looking for trolls. Haha. loser.
@burntoastvideos You strike me as a person with an inordinate desperation for attention. But its, okay. I'd be desperate for attention too if I were you. I'm sure you're heavily neglected and overlooked in real life.
@dan11009 It's simply pointing out you can't choose the good things that happen in life and say "God did those" and avoid the bad things that also happen. People fly planes into buildings because of their religion, that's probably slightly more disrespectful than a comedy movie.
@Raithor83 deep down, you know its a lie too my friend. but u should never admit it. just keep trying to believe.its wot makes us happy. glory to the man in the sky!
@Raithor83 Which god are u glorying? I know muslims who sound just like u. are they deceived? if so, are u saying that humans can feel absolutely sure about a spiritual conviction and be wrong? We can be so sure that a belief is true that we devote our life to it, and we can still b wrong??? Surely that strong 'feeling' is proof. god wouldn't allow that type of innocent mistake???
This is the best bit in the whole film. I always look forward to Gervais's films but get let down. Cemetery junction wasn't very good in my opinion, it was really predictable. I loved The Office and Extras though. I wish they would do something where Merchant is the main character.
"I say fuck the man that lives in the sky! Yeahhhhh yeahhhhh yeahhhhhh! Yeah that guy is evil! That guy is a coward, hiding up there doing bad things to us. Why didn't he do it to our faces? We have to stop that evil bastard before he kills us all! Yeah yeahhh yeahhhh!" - excerp from the movie "the invention of lying" - a brutally honest movie about ourselves.
if i heard that for the first time, and i was as broke as i am now, nothing would stop me from just killing myself. thats a pretty vital flaw he forgot to mention not to do.
@ism822 That's what I thought, too, but I'm pretty sure suicide is considered a sin. Still, under these rules, you could exit the mortal coil with a murder-suicide and still get the greatest mansion you could ever think of.
@rader1540 Hah, that's partly why I love this movie so much. It's so entertaining, and I knew it would have an atheistic base as soon as I saw the director -- Gervais is atheist, and therefore my idol haha.
lawl all the people are atheists. sweet, being an atheist, I'd like to live there. hey theists, they don't believe in god and religion no longer exists. yet civilization still exists, order still exists, and morality still exists.
Even though I do not agree with the depiction of God (understandable since the Character has no clue/ lying), the film does bring up interesting issues on God, fear of death + the After-life. This film just affirms the reality of God + his perfect justice rather undermines it. Even though 'believing in God' was presented as a 'Lie/ Comforting fairytale' I think there is truth that many people have faith for this reason ; of course, that is not/should not be the reason for believing in God.
lol, q: "is cursing bad?" a: "No" . . . well, only if thats all you know how to say, I mean please people can you think of nicer words to say than just s*** and f***?
@supermax1998 wow ..I'm amazed ..he seems to have given it a hollywood treatment, perhaps under pressure to do so...Not like him to pander to the masses though. Do you agree that it is a little sickly sweet or is it just me?
@supermax1998 wow ..I'm amazed ..he seems to have given it a hollywood treatment, perhaps under pressure to do so...Not like him to pander to the masses though. Do you agree that it is a little sickly sweet or is it just me?
As a youtuber once said.
Athiesm AND Religion AND most beliefs about anything is like a penis.
its ok to have one and be proud of it.
Just dont shove it down children's throats.
mugthepoor22 1 year ago
Wat the fuck is wrong with u people? its a movie, i can happily say i believe in a God and laugh at this funny and fun movie. Invoking discussion is great, it allows people to look at things through alot of perspectives, but when you go around just being arrogant in your views and attacking others it just looks rude and stupid.
This goes to athiests, religious people and all people out there.
mugthepoor22 1 year ago
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I feel like posting this again. Something that everyone should hear:
Religion is like a penis.
It's ok to have one.
It's ok to be proud of it.
Just don't go whipping it out and waving it around in public.
And whatever you do, DON'T try to shove it down childrens' throats.
(only a joke, of course ;))
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Or to quote Noel Gallagher "I don't believe in magic. Life is automatic."
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
or how about:
"Christianity is the belief that a cosmic jewish carpenter zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so that he can remove an evil from your soul that is present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense". XD
noURstupid100 1 year ago 2
I laughed my ass off when put the commandments on the pizza boxes. And when I heard the phrase "Fuck the man who lives in the sky" :)).
sinam84 1 year ago
This explains why religion was made. It was made to give people hope. I don't belive in the holiness behind christianity, however I do think that Jesus or whoever tried to improve peoples lives and 2000 years ago people were probably a lot more gullible than they are today. Think about it. Religon encourages people to be good through fear. The bible was written by a lot of people over time and I think that it has been greatly altered.
Xrox122 1 year ago 2
@Xrox122 I'd argue we're arguably more gullible today. I say this since we should know better yet despite the facts, despite the odds, the science and lack of serious bodily harm for NOT believing, the majority still believe this stuff. There is little to no excuse for that. I give em a pass 2000 years ago. Not today.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
whats the song that begins at 0:47
ThePokeyPictures 1 year ago
I want to see this movie, it looks hilarious. And guys, everyone's view on what one calls "God" is different. If I believed God was some man in the sky being a tyrannical bastard, hell, I'd be atheist too. You can't argue theism vs atheism if one's perception on what you're arguing about is that narrow.
EpicFaggotory 1 year ago
@EpicFaggotory Totally agree. Atheists think if they disprove the Man in the Sky or Jesus myth then they've solved the big question. That just goes to show that their understanding of the god question is just as conservative and narrow as the theists they are supposedly arguing against. People say agnostics are somewhere b/w theists and atheists but I disagree. We are alone on one end of the spectrum, while the other two duke it out pretending to be polar opposites. Both are guilty of certitude.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC that is what i thought as well. I just didn't know how to put it til now.
Bilbo490 1 year ago
Religion is like a penis.
It's ok to have one.
It's ok to be proud of it.
Just don't go whipping it out and waving it around in public.
And whatever you do, DON'T try to shove it down childrens' throats.
noURstupid100 1 year ago 2
@noURstupid100 Greatest quote EVER!!!! I'm just letting you know that i'll be using it a lot from now on... hehehe Wonder who's it is though...
ricardofortuny 1 year ago
@ricardofortuny
Go for it! and i have no idea who said it, i just found it on a facebook page ("the thinking atheist", if youre interested)
noURstupid100 1 year ago
That was a great movie. Religion isn't actually retarded though. As the guy with the highest rated comment says.
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos Actually it IS retarded.
knifeofspaghetti 1 year ago
@knifeofspaghetti I don't see how. seems pretty retarded to be an atheist actually. See if I believe in god and everything and I end up being right, then I go to heaven. But if I am an atheist and there ends up being a god then I go to hell. But if I end up being right about there being no god then I still gain nothing. I just rot in the ground. So it seems like a much smarter thing to do to go with the side that actually has something to gain.
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos
you follow a religion out of fear? doesnt that seem wrong to you? and how do you know which religion is the "right" one? I mean, if you pick the wrong one you go to hell/whatever bad place that religion believes in, and there are literally hundreds of religions to pick from. why not just do what YOU feel is right throughout life. no one can ask anything more of you than that.
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos According to your logic god must be a real gullible idiot. Wouldn't you fear that God could see through your bullshit, that you never really believed in him. You just claimed to so as to be on the "safe side". Dont you think an all seeing all knowing God would spot that a mile away and call you out on it? It's a matter of belief. You could claim to believe in God just to be safe but obviously in your heart of hearts you're not believing anything. Just being political.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
Excellent explanation. Hadn't thought of it like that, so thumbs up for you.
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 sorry in regard to which comment? youtube comment boards arent clearly organized if you ask me.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
That god can see through one's petty attempts to pretend to believe in him when in reality it's just what he thinks is his best bet of getting into heaven (if there really is an afterlife, that is). Well said. And i believe you said that you're agnostic? Please tell me, if you don't mind, what it is exactly that agnostics believe. I've heard various things but nothing from an actual agnostic (or is it agnost?) Is it that proving/disproving god is impossible? Or something else?
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 you can see my explanation of an agnostic sort of in my response to EpicFaggotry below. But basically there are two types of agnostic I'd say. The middle of the road type that is unsure of the God thing or they might not even give a damn either which way. Or you have what I'd consider myself which is like a devout agnostic. Meaning that the scope and scale of the God question is so vast anyway that it is unobtainable to us either which way. So just enjoy life. Or hate it. Either.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
(CONTINUED) An interesting theory, and I would buy it, but the fact of the matter is that there either is a god or there isn't a god. I hope you'll agree that if one does exist, he/she/it only had anything to do with the initial creation of the universe (because something from nothing, like the big bang, still sounds impossibly unlikely, I admit), and certainly NOT anything to do with the creation of earth, and if one doesn't exist, then the universe must have simply existed.....
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Sure the Big Bang is to me just as preposterous as creationism but the scientific method is designed so as to make "guesses" until proven otherwise. Just goes to show that the human ego whether scientific or religious is incapable of fathoming the notion that "Alwaysness" exists. Things must be created musn't they? God/The Big Bang, are just reflections of the human ego's insatiable need to explain shit that we're not qualified to really explain. It's a dog and pony show.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
......Is that there has to be an answer. Maybe we don't know for sure which one is right and which one is wrong, but the fact of the matter is that either god DID create the universe, or he DIDN'T create the universe. There is no hazy in between; It's a black and white question with a black and white answer. That said, isn't it OK for someone to pick a side and stick with it instead of remaining undecided even though we don't know which side is right?
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 That's a bit of binary thinking. The actual truth of the matter is if you are prepared for the concept of "alwaysness" then it's possible the universe never was "created", therefor asking whether a God created it or not is not only irrelevant, it's the wrong fundamental question in the first place. Maybe it's a western mode of argument but oversimplified black or white calls for truth, are just assumptions. You're assuming it's down to black or white. There are other games in town
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC hoo boy, so much to say, but I'll try to keep it brief....
1.)Why is it that if there is a POSSIBILITY that the universe was never "created" then asking if there is a god is irrelevant?
2.)Yes, life is suddenly easier because we don't have people constantly killing each other over whose god to believe in when in reality most religions preach the same basic principles (with a few exceptions, of course).
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 1) You can ask all the live long day, best of luck getting the answer. 2) And how is life easier? Not sure if you got the memo, but whatever conclusions you happen to come to have no bearing on the rest of the world's religious strife. And you might want to read Joseph Campbell, a leading expert on the world religions. This assumption that the religions all basically teach the same thing is really a hippy liberal assumption. They teach totally different things fundamentally.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
"and how is life easier?"
not easier for me, maybe, but if everyone was atheist/agnostic/didn't care so goddamn much about religion, then I bet we wouldn't have as many problems as we do now.
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Well thats tha whole other kettle of fish. I assume you're strictly talking about how you'd be on a daily basis. Or me myself. If you want to speak on behalf of how humanity wakes up in the morning.... That's some heady postulation there :)
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Sure you can pick a side and stick with it but once you've picked a side what are you gonna do with it anyway? Is life easier suddenly? I bet you there are some alien cultures out there who never even conceived of God or never conceived of the notion that the universe was specifically created in the first place. If that is possible (and it is) then your black and white reduction theory holds no water. That is the litmus test. Indecision is a decision. As is agnosticism.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
3.)If there are alien cultures out there (which there probably are) why is it that if they've never conceived of "creation" that the idea of creation is then impossible?
4.)What do you mean by universal questions? Questions that can only have one answer? Please explain because I really am confused.
5.)Even if a god were found that has no persona or reward system, it would still mean that there is a god (which is, again, doubtful to me. I believe in "alwaysness").
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 3./4.) Not saying creation isn't possible. I'm just saying that you're assuming the origin of it all boils down to two and only two possibilities. Universal questions so to speak. I'm saying its human bias/ego to assume those are the only two options at the end of the day. It's a question and an answer you're purporting to argue on behalf of the entire universe. 5.) I'd argue if such a god were found people would re-label it/him and strip of of its God title. Haha.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
btw, its nice to have someone who at least presents thought provoking arguements in a non-arrogant tone. Or worse, use no logic whatsoever like those angry christians who just keep using bible quotes to prove that the bible is right (wtf is up with that, anyway?)
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 That's cause they're not conditioned to resort to silly things like logic in defending themselves or even asking questions. In fact they are blackmailed into feeling like they are cheating on their hell-bent lord for even second guessing or conducting the dialogue in the first place. And they are encouraged to fuck up anyone who has the nerve to not sign on the dotted line at the mere mention of the word Jesus. or Muhammad.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 So that's the thing. If you endeavour to start asking and answering UNIVERSAL questions you need to budget universal possibilities. I'm not trying to call you an egomaniac but it's human conditioning to ASSUME the questions we are asking are universal and simple. I'm saying if you take that God question to a culture that never conceived of that question and ask their own "universal" questions we never conceived of then the question you're asking isn't so universal after all is it.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
6.)Your idea of "god" is too narrow and, in my opinion, wrong. "God" doesn't have to be thought of in a religious sense. To me, the idea of a "god" is that he/she/it can act outside the boundaries of physical possibility. See, for every effect, there must be a cause (Please, don't tell me that this isn't true). What, then, is the "initial cause"? This question can only be answered with two equally impossible answers: "There was no cause", or "god did it".
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Narrow? Please explain. My concept of God transcends all traditional religious modes of consideration. Everything I've been writing has been in discussion of a god concept without religious borders. Besides what if God did it but did it for no cause? Theres an entirely third option you didnt even contemplate.
If you're so open to alwayness then I am surprised why you still are dead set on boiling it down to either God having created us, or nothing having created us.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
"what if god did it but for no cause?"
thats not really a third option, that falls under "something created it." And from now on, instead of saying "god", im just going to say, "something that can act outside the realms of physical possibility", or STCAOTROPP, for short. haha
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Why dont you just call it Jean-Claude then.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
lol. I think "Bruce" would be more accurate..... Jean-Claude is kind of a puss.
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
sweet jesus! and i thought I sounded mad! lol, only joking. Btw, a good quote I stumbled across:
"To most people, religion is like a software license. No one really understands it, they just scroll to the bottom and select, "I accept"."
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
By the way, I realize I took a LOT of things as fact, and if you wish me to explain anything, "ask and ye shall receive"
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Also that let's say we somehow absolutely disproved conclusively that Jesus is a myth, Mohammed, reincarnation, buddah, heaven, hell - disproved them all and more, you still have not really disproved at all whether "God" exists. God may exist but has no gender, no rules or regulations, no punishment or reward system. The concept is so vague and stupifying that it's arrogant to even pretend to understand it let alone argue for or against it (you listening atheists?). Thats the idea
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
I see. And just to clarify, I wasn't trying to be condescending, if that's how you took it. I really am simply curious as to what agnostics believe. So basically, the idea is that the concept of god is so ridiculously vague and unknowable (which I agree with) that it's foolish to try to take an absolute side of "yes, one does exist" or "no one doesn't"?
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
(CONTINUED) .....then there is, again, absolutely no evidence that a god exists. My point is this: In a choice between two equally likely yet still impossible to prove options, there really is no point to a debate. That won't change anything. What WILL change something is proving to people that no man can or ever will do what jesus supposedly did (or any other idols for that matter). I feel that because some still vigorously follow such beliefs, we will never have a perfect world.
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
(CONTINUED) ....since the beginning of time itself, which, admittedly, makes even less sense. But really, aren't these the only two options? And isn't it the case that one MUST be true and the other MUST be false? If the universe was created by a god, then that must be the only thing god has ever done, which means that it's pretty much unprovable, since there is no (known) way to figure out what happened before the universe began. And if the universe has always existed,....
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Not really. It's like this. Let's say you come to me with a couple sparse and speculative pieces of information regarding a murder case then you demand I make a decision as to whether the man is guilty or innocent of murder. To which I say 1) Well you havent given me enough information either which way and 2) There is nothing at stake anyways with my conclusion. The truth will be whatever it will be with or without my input. We live with a binary pressure to make a "choice". So?
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
Well, I personally don't have a problem with "alwaysness", as you put it, but many people do. And the preason that you NEED to make a decision is that there is MUCH at stake in your conclusion, even in the example you gave. Someone's freedom is on the line in your example, and an entire population's freedom from crazed religious teachings is on the line in the real world. You want examples of how bad religion can be? Again, ask and ye shall receive.....
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 No, if you re-read my example, it's like someone ASKING your conclusion whether person X is guilty of murder or not and arbitrarily making you feel as if you must make a choice. I never said my opinion would convict or release the person. Maybe I didnt explain that clearly. Someone tries to make me feel as if I must decide that there is or isn't a god is dumb cause it's not like anything is at stake. There is this egomaniacal assumption that the fate of the world is at stake.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
OK, with your example maybe there isn't anything at stake, but with religion there most certainly is. Yeah, you can argue that religion motivates people to do some nice things like set up soup kitchens for the homeless or do missionary work in impoverished countries, but to me, it ultimately comes down to one thing: it segregates people in ways that they really shouldn't be segregated. Look at the middle east. Why the hell is there soooo much unrest? Because the people there.......
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 Besides this obsession with origin could go on forever. You're saying that there are only TWO possibilities and that God creating the universe is one of them. Since you're assuming that creation/initiation is inherent in the process. Alright well then what's to stop you from asking who created God? Suddenly not interested in asking that? Alright then who created the thing that created God? Whose god's grandpa? See? The question is so vast you are taking it for granted.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@noURstupid100 See people have trouble grasping "alwayness" so they say god did it. But suddenly they have no trouble accepting that God always existed? See religion and science alike are programmed to assume creation is involved at all. And the extent and name for that creation is either God or Big Bang. Both explanations are equally childlike and preposterous.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
...... can't come to terms with the fact that other people around them pray to a different deity. And so they fight. And I feel that that's wrong. To me, it shouldn't matter what other people believe in. You want to pray to Allah or Yaweh(I think that's how they're spelled)? Great. More power to you. But when people start trying to kill each other over it, I draw the line. And as for that whole elaborate explanation about the beginning of the universe, all I'm trying to say....
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC And this I ask as well: Let's say somehow we were able to prove beyond a doubt that "God exists". So congrats to all you believers out there, you have your god. Only thing is we find out this god has no persona, punishment or reward system, oversees nothing, and in fact isn't even aware it/he created anything at all. We would reject it. God may exist, but it wasn't the thing we needed it to be when we needed it.
"If god created man in his image, man certainly returned the favor."
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC
In the end, all I'm saying is that religion, in it's current state, is detrimental to the human race. I say "in it's current state" because I really do believe that if people would 1.) stop forcing there beliefs on one another and 2.) admit that they don't have all the answers, then religion would be a pretty darned good thing. But that's not how it is, unfortunately, so I must continue to oppose it. But again, I have nothing against religion, only the way it's being practiced.
noURstupid100 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC Well I don't really follow out of fear. I'm just saying that religion is logical too. I do believe.
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos Well it's also logical to fantasize about some prettier chick whilst banging your hand. Doesnt mean you're not banging your hand.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC first off, I don't masterbait because it's for losers who need it. second, obvious troll is obvious. Get back under your bridge.
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos What are you ten years old? BTW I've seen what you have to offer comment wise on this board and you have shit to bring. Can't believe you still practice troll slang. So 1999.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC this board? It's a freakin comment page on youtube hahaha which has really become quite awful. just gross people like you on here now. But alas, trolls were trolls years ago and still, they are trolls my friend. But I must go back to the real world now. Have fun carrying on conversations on here for the next few months lmao. loser.
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos Wow cause a board is so much more noteworthy than a comment page. I'm sure internet dorks like you do lament "the glory days" of youtube (as if there was such an era). Have fun living in the past eschewing retarded and juvenile sentiments and looking for trolls. Haha. loser.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC you sure like replying to me. Do you want to be my pretty little girlfriend? Or do you just have something to prove here hehe
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos You strike me as a person with an inordinate desperation for attention. But its, okay. I'd be desperate for attention too if I were you. I'm sure you're heavily neglected and overlooked in real life.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC lol umad?
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos No. I heart you.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC lol
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos Lets hug it out bitch.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
@EjkoUSC I feel like this is a magical moment right here.
burntoastvideos 1 year ago
@burntoastvideos
Why would something so powerful care so much about whether or not you believe in it?
Why is that one god guaranteed to be the real one?
knifeofspaghetti 1 year ago
4:48 is that comedian that often appears on Ellen Show. Gosh, what's his name...? Joe Wong! search him on youtube!
PoetPanda 1 year ago
i hate how detremental this is to religion, is so disrespectful
dan11009 1 year ago
@dan11009 It's simply pointing out you can't choose the good things that happen in life and say "God did those" and avoid the bad things that also happen. People fly planes into buildings because of their religion, that's probably slightly more disrespectful than a comedy movie.
JanineRobin 1 year ago
@dan11009 Detrimental? I guess you dont suppose your religion can survive attacks like this.
EjkoUSC 1 year ago
i was thinking of a horrible mansion
jrhomer100 1 year ago 2
"I say say fuck the man that lives in the sky!"
nikoszpp 1 year ago
i just thought the chocolate sauce was diarrhea
well dont put that on the ice cream then :) love this entire scene
thesimpsons17 1 year ago
"we have to stop that evil bastard before he kills us all" XDXD :P
ilikejustinbieber12 1 year ago
everything you need to know is written on THESE pizza boxes.
noahzuniga 1 year ago
Ugh, nothing like an expensive soap box for a smug atheist to spew his rhetoric -_-. We get it Gervais, you don't believe, now move on.
Raithor83 1 year ago
@Raithor83 deep down, you know its a lie too my friend. but u should never admit it. just keep trying to believe.its wot makes us happy. glory to the man in the sky!
ibizajoey 1 year ago
@ibizajoey not even a little bit... Glory be to God, from whom all blessings flow.
Raithor83 1 year ago
@Raithor83 Which god are u glorying? I know muslims who sound just like u. are they deceived? if so, are u saying that humans can feel absolutely sure about a spiritual conviction and be wrong? We can be so sure that a belief is true that we devote our life to it, and we can still b wrong??? Surely that strong 'feeling' is proof. god wouldn't allow that type of innocent mistake???
ibizajoey 1 year ago
i was thinking of a horrible mansion!!
AndTroest 1 year ago
i could get onboard with this religion, it sounds pretty sweet
happyx420x 1 year ago
lol, "I say FUCK the man in the sky!"
Andyrolled 1 year ago
We have to stop that evil barsted b4 he kills us all lol
cruiseylee 1 year ago
Does anyone know what the song is that plays at the begining of this
wosco3 1 year ago
I loved this whole part in the movie I laughed so hard XD
Katoi5 1 year ago
Ahh, I was thinking of a HORRIBLE mansion! xD
ffgtfgtr 1 year ago 3
This is the best bit in the whole film. I always look forward to Gervais's films but get let down. Cemetery junction wasn't very good in my opinion, it was really predictable. I loved The Office and Extras though. I wish they would do something where Merchant is the main character.
ElvisLivesUpstairs 1 year ago
Fascinating! Look for Desteni to find out what really happens after you die -
MarlenLife 1 year ago
"I say fuck the man that lives in the sky! Yeahhhhh yeahhhhh yeahhhhhh! Yeah that guy is evil! That guy is a coward, hiding up there doing bad things to us. Why didn't he do it to our faces? We have to stop that evil bastard before he kills us all! Yeah yeahhh yeahhhh!" - excerp from the movie "the invention of lying" - a brutally honest movie about ourselves.
ouroboros28 1 year ago
We have to stop that evil bastard before he kills us all!
awesomessful 1 year ago
People want to be lied to. Rob Reiner movie said it best "You can't handle the truth!"
ASABIO623 1 year ago
Christians and Muslims ought to see this movie. This portion of the movie is so true.
ofcelticblood 1 year ago 4
@ofcelticblood
i think you should actually learn about this stuff than learn everything from movies and tv
BeyondLame 1 year ago
This movie is intellectually shallow. It had an interesting premise but I feel it attempted something it couldnt quite pull off
themi90 1 year ago
Chinese Guy: Like Baseball
Audience: Ohhhhhhh!
LOL
92Fishman92 1 year ago
lol, this was the funniest part of the movie.
SpongeSebastian 1 year ago
The Invention of Religion
akidearest 1 year ago
4:01 - what is the matter wit u people!?
SKULLRED2010 1 year ago
@SKULLRED2010 whot is the matta with you peeeplee
Drizzle4Ever 1 year ago 2
religion in a nutshell.
ms9809 1 year ago 2
if i heard that for the first time, and i was as broke as i am now, nothing would stop me from just killing myself. thats a pretty vital flaw he forgot to mention not to do.
ism822 1 year ago
@ism822 That's what I thought, too, but I'm pretty sure suicide is considered a sin. Still, under these rules, you could exit the mortal coil with a murder-suicide and still get the greatest mansion you could ever think of.
johnedwarddowney 1 year ago
We gotta stop that evil bastard before he kills us all. ROFL. That was my favorite part of the movie
TonyGuinnTV 1 year ago 5
I KNOW THAT GUY!
Bambamyd 1 year ago
4:43 dont buy a dog to starve it for a laugh
thedestruction66 1 year ago 4
lol dont buy a dog just to starve it for a luagh one of the best parts
jeffhardyultimte 1 year ago
somebody knows a page where i can download this movie in good quality?
ms701 1 year ago
Yup yup! Great LOL part...
MikeeBimmerman 1 year ago
just a great example of how retarded religion is!
rader1540 1 year ago 52
@rader1540 Hah, that's partly why I love this movie so much. It's so entertaining, and I knew it would have an atheistic base as soon as I saw the director -- Gervais is atheist, and therefore my idol haha.
Unicyclist90210 1 year ago
love it
MrBazjones 1 year ago
i woulda told all those people to STFU. they ask questions after every damn fact. lol.
retroxkid89 1 year ago
"Ah, I was thinking of a horrible mansion!"
PaulDenton14 1 year ago
@PaulDenton14: I loved that part lol! :D
RockyBalboa211 1 year ago
ahhhhhhhrrrrrrggggggggg i was thinking of a horrible mansion lmao
2tonetouch 1 year ago
7:00 is the best part.
Although Gervais is an atheist, what he actually comes up with to parody in the film seems to have more common with Mormonism than religion itself.
PaulDenton14 1 year ago
@PaulDenton14: Are all british people atheist lol?
RockyBalboa211 1 year ago
@RockyBalboa211 The majority of them are. Look at Sweden -- more than 80% of the Swedish are atheist.
Unicyclist90210 1 year ago
The bad mansions and skunk icecream is a counter-proof of St. Anselm’s Ontological Argument. Neat.
EmmeJayKay 1 year ago
Wait, what religion is he parodying?
falconnate 1 year ago
@falconnate, all of them
levelate 1 year ago
lolz @ well i say fuck the man that lives in the sky. lol but i luvs god so ya
michelle6angelo8 1 year ago
"Don't do it on purpose...don't buy a dog just to starve it for a laugh, but..." LEWL
OrdinaryTrite 1 year ago
lawl all the people are atheists. sweet, being an atheist, I'd like to live there. hey theists, they don't believe in god and religion no longer exists. yet civilization still exists, order still exists, and morality still exists.
ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz 1 year ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz Yes but they has no soul LULZ. why wud u wanna live without lies.
IMMAATHIEST 1 year ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz: Yet, it's a horribly cold rude place don't you think..
RockyBalboa211 1 year ago
whats the guitar tune that starts at :48
ThePokeyPictures 1 year ago
fuck the man in the sky! lol, wow, this awesome...gotta watch this movie.
Tunazap 1 year ago
who here would go to church every sunday if they had free icecream for everyone.. Thumbs up for yes
OkThatsGhey 1 year ago
FUCK the man in the sky~! LOL
TimesNuRoman 1 year ago
"oh no, i just thought of vanilla and skunks!"
XD hahaha!
SlashGashJokerWhore 1 year ago
@ 3:39 the bit on ice cream makes me ROFL ...
3:53 "Oh no, I just thought of vanilla and skunks." and
3:56 "I just thought the chocolate sauce was diarrhea." Best line ever.
iheartm20 1 year ago
Even though I do not agree with the depiction of God (understandable since the Character has no clue/ lying), the film does bring up interesting issues on God, fear of death + the After-life. This film just affirms the reality of God + his perfect justice rather undermines it. Even though 'believing in God' was presented as a 'Lie/ Comforting fairytale' I think there is truth that many people have faith for this reason ; of course, that is not/should not be the reason for believing in God.
StePani10 1 year ago
fuck your god asshole. may he strike me dead if you're not a moron
silversamuraix 1 year ago
... The only difference is that Moses wasn't wearing a suite ;-)))))))))))
bersa888 1 year ago 20
@bersa888 also there is a free pizza!
albeanmagz19 1 year ago
@bersa888 and that his were on roundtable boxes, not pizza hut
myid9876543 1 year ago
Saw this on a transpacific flight and had to stifle my laughing so people could sleep. It takes a lot to make me laugh too!!!!
ryansanfran 1 year ago
I want to see this movie!
amandamadd 1 year ago
ahh i was thinking of a horrable mansion !
paul3075 1 year ago
single worst case of product placement I have ever seen...
videogamenostalgia 1 year ago
lol, q: "is cursing bad?" a: "No" . . . well, only if thats all you know how to say, I mean please people can you think of nicer words to say than just s*** and f***?
gregory1411 1 year ago
LOL! All Falvors Plus Bad Favors! Ha HA! Vinallia and Skunks! Chocolate Syurp is dierrea.
ErockvsBowser02 1 year ago
'I say fuck the man who lives in the sky!'
Ha!
plusplusplusplusp 1 year ago
ricky gervais is so astute and biting...shame the movie is a little sickly sweet in places ...but that is the directors fault as always!!
thomasbryn1 1 year ago
@thomasbryn1 Ricky Gervais was the director.....
supermax1998 1 year ago
@supermax1998 wow ..I'm amazed ..he seems to have given it a hollywood treatment, perhaps under pressure to do so...Not like him to pander to the masses though. Do you agree that it is a little sickly sweet or is it just me?
thomasbryn1 1 year ago
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@supermax1998 wow ..I'm amazed ..he seems to have given it a hollywood treatment, perhaps under pressure to do so...Not like him to pander to the masses though. Do you agree that it is a little sickly sweet or is it just me?
thomasbryn1 1 year ago
What is the song they're playing right before he gives the big speech?? i cant find it anywhere.
Webskey 1 year ago
@Webskey
The music playing is from the score and was written by Tim Atack
Timiboy100 1 year ago
This part still leaves me stitches...!!
SculigoXC2 1 year ago