@waz00z Thank you for taking the time to watch, and even your words. A Sunday law is truly coming. I have heard some interesting things around the Israeli government and that, but, I do not know much at this moment about it.
Funny, I was reading the EXACT verse last night. I wondered about it and knew it had a part in God's seal.
So by keeping his SEVENTH DAY sabbath (along with the faith of Jesus) we will be granted the seal of God? But we will still sin in the flesh (which our Spirit is now dead to the flesh along w/ the crucification of Jesus on the cross)?
Also, my mom always tries to back out of the keeping of the Sabbath by saying, but God wants us to keep all days holy. I understand what she means...
@MamaRosenBush Well, its not keeping the Sabbath commandment only. All 9 are to be kept by God's people, but this is not a burden, it is for our own good :)
Well, we do still sin, and fall short of the glory of God. But, one day is coming, where those sealed, will not sin. There will be no Intercessor in the heavenly Sanctuary so by this time, well... a careful study of the sanctuary and Revelation is very interesting.
About every day holy, what verse of the Bible says that?
@RemixtLatino I dont know. She just keeps telling me that God wants us to keep everyday holy. I am trying to show her what I feel is truth. But she has no verse to explain
@MamaRosenBush ...i understand what she means but i know that we can only truly keep the sabbath holy by setting aside daily labors, worries, and struggles.
That's what I was going to finish with. Guess it didnt get posted
@MamaRosenBush sometimes yt is tricky w/ the comments. Thanks for sharing that other part 2.
The Sabbath really is a special day. It is sanctified, which means separated from the other six days. We cannot treat the Sabbath as we do the other days because God says we need to keep that day Holy. No where in the Bible does God say this about another day.
It is not only to set aside worldly things, but to do God's will, and to call His Sabbath a delight :) I can share some verses w/ u, if u like
@RemixtLatino Ya they made the comments all funny. I also wanted to ask about baptism and the yearly sabbaths, what do we do with them? Do we still honor Passover? Is baptism a must, or is it more of a symbol of our cleansing?
@MamaRosenBush The yearly sabbaths were shadows. Think about what they did in these events. This all pointed forward to the cross, and came in after sin, not before it. We are not asked to keep those anymore.
Passover is also done away with.
Baptism, is still important. If conditions allow it to be possible, I would say that yes it is a must. It is symbolic of how you have died to the old life, and have risen again, like Jesus rose from death, to walk as He walked. Theres more to it.
How so? I do not know what or where to go to get baptised. I was baptised as a child but it did not matter bc i did not understand the truth of jesus then.
@MamaRosenBush You got it. Well, the sabbaths outside the 4th commandment, the feasts or ceremonial sabbaths, those=no.
As for baptism, well there is quite a bit to it. If its ok with you, I'd like to send you a link to some more information about it. I think you'll get a lot from it and enjoy it much. Its not long to go through :)
It would be good to hear what you thought of it as well.
Exd 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
It mentions that they are to keep it by an ordinance forever. What are your thoughts on the term "forever" used in this verse?
@Myhopeisinhim Yes, and the Bible also says that the fire Jerusalem went through was to be forever. This is where line upon line studies come in to clarify :)
Christ was the final passover, so anyone still taking part of that "ordinance" is saying that the death of Jesus did not cover their sins, because they are stuck in the type, failing to understand the antitype.
Hope this helps :)
Thanks, hope you and family are well as well. Back at ya, God bless.
Do you relate the breaking of bread that we celebrate today with the passover, considering the Lord celebrated this with the disciples on the passover.
@Myhopeisinhim I have no reason to believe that breaking bread started at or is exclusive to passover. Not right now anyway. So I do not connect the two.
@Myhopeisinhim Thats not passover. Thats the Lord's Supper, you are now referring to. Different from passover, with a different purpose. Different meaning.
Back to breaking bread, ppl did that more days than not.
@MamaRosenBush Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. | John 17:17
It needs to be found in the word of God, if such a statement is to be true. Thats what we have. We need to have a "Thus saith the LORD" or an "It is written" to defend our faith.
I understand it may be a little difficult, her being your mother.
I can tell you from reading the Bible that God does not say to treat every day as holy. God only blessed one day.
@RemixtLatino Yes it is VERY difficult. Ok then that is what i will use to defend my statements. I will always back up what I say with verse. Then she may start to understand.
@MamaRosenBush I understand. I hope all can go as well as it can go :)
If something cannot be defended by the Bible, then that should be worthy to note.
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: | 1 Peter 3:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. | 2 Timothy 2:15
@RemixtLatino Im sorry I dont know what I said before bc I erased it. I realize we are not under the law, though, through the blood of jesus. And yes, now I understand, we should still obey the law out of love and not as grievous.
@MamaRosenBush I can't remember the exact wording, but you may have said something like "anymore", or something else I was curious about.
The reason I had asked was cuz I wanted to also say that the law was never a Saviour. Not in the Old Testament, and not in the New Testament. Yet in both the 10Cs were observed by God's ppl, and that law has applied to all throughout the generations the same way, as it has not changed.
Thats cool you do get that :) Some here will try to confuse this topic.
@MamaRosenBush I mean that the law was never a way to save ourselves. We never could save ourselves, that was and still is impossible. From the beginning, the only way to be saved was through Jesus. It was that way in the Old Testament, as it was in the New, and still is.
The law has never changed, it cannot change even still. It is the way God governs His creation. It indeed does show us our sins, and also shows us how to love God with all our might, and how to love our fellow neighbor too.
There is no false "day" of worship ergo, all days belong to God. All days were created by God and the God of heaven and earth can be worshiped on any and all days. Why do you think the disciples gathered every day, and why daniel and the others prayed three times a day.
They didn't just praise and worship God on saturday. They praised and worshiped him on a daily basis. I do agree there is false worship, but that isn't decided by what day you worship.
I guess to keep it simple, tho I'm not trying to speak for ergotrof, only one day is blessed and sanctified. Thats it. Just one. For that special blessing, well, you already know ;) Theres really no disputing at least that little bit.
I'm jus saying.. much rather ergotrof answer for themself from here :) I'm really not trying to spend as much time commenting anymore, but rather writing blogs and producing videos instead.
@theonewillcome Thanks. Do appreciate the time you took to stop by and watch. My Sabbath was good. Different, yet what made it different made it even better this time around :) Hope yours was blessed in a great way as well.
I worship, pray to, sing with, and praise Messiah every minute of everyday, but on His Holy LORD'S Day, the 7th day, I give Him all of me, and leave all of my worldly burdens aside for those 24 hrs.
I OBEY CHRIST'S COMMANDS, He's my Father in heaven and Father knows best for me, for satan wants to steal us away from God!
Shabbat Shalom to all of God's children! Rest in His LOVE!
And this has absolutely nothing to do w/ the Sabbath ;) It is talking about fasting, not worship. If you can't tell by about the 6 to 7 references on eating, then I'd have to seriously question your study habits.
Its a force, and you do not have a point with Romans 14:5. Thats a fact.
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@RemixtLatino So I guess when Jesus says "Take, Eat,Drink, This is my body & blood. It's not about worship because he talks about food and drink. When Jesus says "I am the bread of Life", he can't be speaking about worship either.
@sweetwarriors Thanks for stopping by sweetwarriors. Long time no talk, hows all? Hope well.
I like how you made reference to everyday, that you do what you do. Some of our critics think we think there is something wrong with that, without reason. Now they have this testimony :)
A little in advance (my time zone anyway lol) Happy Sabbath :)
No remix that is not biblical, infact the bible states clearly repent and be baptized for the remission of sins in the Name of Jesus and you shall recieve the promise. this promise is the Holy Spirit, this Spirit is the Seal of God, again your preaching works. if my works of rightousness is needed first then everyone is lost none will be saved
@protochris 2 Cor. 3 is talking about the MINISTRATION of the law. Taking the law from the tables of stone and writing it on our hearts - 2 Cor. 3:3. This is the New Covenant - Jer. 31:31-33, Heb.8:10, Heb.10:16.
The 10 commandments will NEVER pass away - PS.111:7,8, ISA:51:6,7, LUKE 16:17.
@Acerrak Cain was permitted to live after killing his brother, because the ceremonial law was not in effect yet. That was the law that "was added because of transgressions" - Gal.3:19. The book of the law - Gal.3:10. The law that was 430 years after - Gal.3:17.
Do we in modern society immediately kill someone who has taken another's life? How about stone someone for adultery. This happened to the Hebrews because they were under a THEOCRACY.
@strivetoenterin The law is the law it either is or it isnt, one cannot seperate and actually yes they already were offering sacrifices at his time, so that analogy goes out the window. they tithed to God and offered sacrifices. again the law is always whole and is never seperated into groups
Jesus asked the rich young ruler to keep THE TEN - MT19, MK10, LK18. To enter into life - MT19 or to enter into the city (New Jerusalem). I believe I'll do as my Master says. Must sign off now. You'll have to keep SPAMMING.
@RemixtLatino I too have found the ten commandments in GEN & EX before they were codified at Mt. Sinai. Yeah, the 3rd commandment must be there somewhere.
@Acerrak I keep God's commandments out of love - Just as Jesus asks us to do.
@strivetoenterin i dont doubt your sincerity tword God at all, but there more commandments than just ten and there is one that is already condeming this world and it is not of any of the ten that was given at my sinai. The pharasees kept the ten, but pride greed which is not of the ten overcame them in.
@strivetoenterin again the bible clearly states the these sabbaths and holydays and feast were all the substance of Christ, now im not knocking your keeping of it. dont get me wrong your keep the sabbath how you see fit, but it cannot be used as a bases of salvation or you have made Christ of no effect. cause then there is no grace, and now salvation is in my hands. Jesus clearly said no man can save themselves
@Acerrak Celebrate. The Catholic "church" uses that term quite often, with SUNday being their chiefest celebration. You seem to be familiar with that term.
@strivetoenterin if you follow my church and its birth my apostolic fathers were ex communicated by the church because of conflicting views of baptism and many other doctrines of orthodoxy that isnt in the bible
@Acerrak "yesterday was pentacost sunday" I guess so if you observe the Pagan Ishtar. I follow the bible - No Christ-mass, Ishtar, or SUNday observance.
it was a celebration. it was 50 days after the exodus that God gave Israel the TenC, from that shadow we get 50 days after the crucifiction of Christ God poured out His Spirit.
@Acerrak Actually I have found 9 out of the 10 commandments before Mt Sinai and the tables of stone. It seems I'm struggling to find the 3rd one, but it may be that you know where it is (before Exodus 20).
So yeah, those aren't shadows, thats impossible because they are perfect, Holy, good, etc and are forever to add to all that.
That it happened to fall in the first day of the week does not mean much. They still kept the Sabbath, not the day of the sun. Church was held on the 7th day still.
@RemixtLatino if the ten commandments was given to abraham how do you think he would have reacted to the Voice saying go and sacrifice your son? dont you think that the voice would had contridicted the word? also why was cain permited to live. God spared Him, when clearly the law said he should have been put todeath.
Galations state the law came 400 years after abraham.
There is no command to celebrate Jesus' birthday in the Bible, however I will not tell you that you should not be thankful our Saviour came to be born of the same human nature we have, to die for our sins. It is a great thing to remember every day. Same with His resurrection, same with praising Him. All are great to be acknowledged every day of the week.
When it comes to corporate worship, only one day is sanctified. Just 1 day is blessed. Want that special blessing? Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy.
Sunday, will not do, for it is a commandment of men. God says remember the Sabbath. Going to church on the day of the sun is a mere human tradition with no Biblical support whatsoever. This has been proven many times Acerrak. You as an intelligent person should have acknowledged this long long ago.
@RemixtLatino brother, you know as well i as i do no certain of worship wil ever save you. if that is so then my salvation is dependant upon me, and if salvation is dependant on man for anything. then no man will ever see the inside of heaven. i mean you can defend the day till you die, i am going to defend Christ everyday. everyday.
@Acerrak I have reason to believe that in the last days, worship will be a main issue, or the main issue. A day will not save you, but allow me to translate that into obedience to our Creator, which btw the 4thC identifies.
Why would I defend myself. I could not die for myself, I've sinned. Only One could do that, and He did. And because this One could, I will at least try to follow Him, and not man. Did you know the term first day never even came out of the mouth of Jesus? Consider that.
the term first never came out of Jesus mouth. cause it was never a concern infact the words that Did was Love God with all your heart and Soul. now can you do that, while taking away a day of worship, on anyday that He created. one of these days ill send you a indepth view of this saturday that you hold on to. again nothing wrong with worshiping God on saturday , but dont knock it on sunday either
@Acerrak The term never came out of His mouth because it would never be significant in worship to Him.
Taking away something blessed and sanctified (Gen 2:2,3), to call a delight (Isa 58:13), the day Jesus is LORD (Matthew 12:8) over, is a good thing? I will not agree with that. Especially as its a day we will keep in heaven & new earth (Isa 66:22,23).
I do as I do w/ the day of the sun, because there is no command to remember it via the Bible. Am I wrong? If so, find me the command.
And if it is a good thing that God would remove or demote a day, to be like any other, well that too I need Bible proof for.
And also, a simple question. Try then, working 7 days a week, continuously. Do you consider yourself superhuman so that you will not burn out? As I am human, I understand I will in fact, at some point, burn out.
I am thankful God has given separated a day to His people, 2 break from the other 6 days, & to remember our Creator. That, friend, can b defended w/ the Bible
Lastly, we were always free to praise and worship God on any day of the week. That is not new. But one thing has remained consistent. Only one day is blessed.
@RemixtLatino the levitical priesthood made sacrifices daily, were not they blessed in the work they did everyday. did not they work on the sabbath. it is time to move away from the bond woman and become free. You can treat anyday as a sabbath, cause the sabbath is the substance of Christ just as the passover, now Christ is your passover
You asked: Do you consider yourself superhuman so that you will not burn out?
The rest of my body is not the rest that the bible is speaking about in the new covenant. When the new testament speaks of resting in God, it is not speaking of resting from our weekly labour. I have roughly 2-3 days a week off from work a week, but I don't consider that my rest in God.
1) you're still forcing a blend in Matt 11:28 and Exodus 20:8-11, Heb 4:9 etc.
2) God says 6 days are for working purposes (4thC)
3) God says 1 day is sanctified as His). "But the seventh day is the sabbath OF THE LORD THY GOD).
4) I understand especially these days not everyone is working 6 days a week. However, if one did, they would need 1 to recover. Its clear which one. The Sabbath, there is no other.
I really dont know what more to say, I'm repeating the same things.
@RemixtLatino what will condem you. the ten commandments or not knowing His Son. God delights more in His Son than anything. Yet while we were a evil abomination in the sight of God He loved us to send His Only Begotten. Christ my dear brother is My sabbath rest. and again since you use isaiah 66 tell me plainly do you honor the new moons stil today? please dont say you dont honor the new moon then say you honor the sabbath, cause then you will make yourself out for contridictions
@Acerrak@Acerrak :) Both, actually. It would be worse to not know His Son, but, the everlasting Gospel is to go to the world before the end comes. Everyone will have their chance to know HIm, whether they care for it or not.
Christ is your "Sabbath" rest? Prove it then. You are not allowed to use Matt 11:28,29 cuz we both know that that rest is no where near what the Sabbath means. So go ahead, please, remove my doubts about Christ being a "sabbath" rest. Show me the verse.
Also, where is the commandment to observe New moons? Will it be done in heaven? Yes, cuz the Bible says so. You shared the verse yourself.
Well the 7th day Sabbath be kept too? Yes. You shared the verse yourself. So why not start that practice again now, as you'll be doing it anyway.
Is the Sabbath commandment to be observed? Yes. In the NT? Yes, at least 3 times.... at least. Hebrews 4:9 is clear. Yet some here, rather stretch verses to say what they don't say like Rom 14:5 or Matt 11:28
Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
Its interesting that in these two verses you find two of the terms used in Colossians 2, yet people still deny that....
Colossians 2 means the seventh day sabbath. In regards to worshiping on the new moon in heaven, I happen to disagree, there will be no sun, or moon, so there will be no knowledge of days as such. There will be no going down of the sun to mark a new day, no new moon to start a new month.
The bible even speaks of the nations which are left will go up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of the tabernacles
@Myhopeisinhim There are 2 types of Sabbaths. And I can find reference using Col 2 terms that point to the book of the law, not the moral law. At least 7 or more references that prove it. Its not my fault others won't listen.
From month to month Hope. Thats all, and yes, we will also gather from month to month to worship because it is written. That you choose to disregard that is your choice.
Col 2 does not mean the 4th C. Whether you believe me or not, one day you'll know it doesn't.
Allow me to clarify when I say "no where near what the Sabbath means"
As I see potential to be misunderstood, I will add a little more to that.
Simply put, I mean by definition. Rest in Matt 11:28,29 does not mean the same as "rest" in Hebrews 4:9.
Its like trying to convince me that a square is now also a circle. Jus going by definition, and can you blame me? Am I wrong? Look it up ;) I know you can.
@RemixtLatino i know people of similar faith they have a service on saturday and on sunday. what is it? they have the mark on sunday but there ok on saturday everyweek? You tell me is it the sabath day that saves them or is it Jesus. it either is or it isnt.
Dont decieve yourself and think any kind of work wil ever grant you ascess to heaven, even rightous deeds will not do it. titus 3:5.
@Acerrak There is a condition to meet, in order to get the seal of God. The condition is as God has a government, and laws set up, as do nations here on earth, is to adhere to these laws. They are ten, and they do not change. This is not a confusing video. I like simplicity, and thats what I aimed to keep it at, simple :)
When have I said that I am saved by my works? Please show me where.
I've heard this too many times, w/o reason. Simply put... John 14:15, Revelation 22:14.
@Acerrak SO WHAT if these things "happened" on a SUN-day. I stand on "Thus saith the Scriptures." Jesus died on a Friday. Do we observe that day because of it? Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper on a Thursday. What about that? God rested on, blessed, and sanctified the 7th day. That settles it for me and just about any other honest-hearted person. What's your problem? (I have some good ideas about that).
@protochris Gal.3:15 / Heb.9:15 -17. Nothing can be added to or taken away from the New Covenant after the death of Christ. SUN-day observance began LONG after the death of Jesus.
I looked at your channel. I see that you're in league with myhopeisinhim - anti - Sabbath, anti - SDA, anti - TRUTH!
@strivetoenterin yesturday was pentacost sunday, that was the day when God in Heaven poured out His Holy Spirit on Those disciples in the upper room. The Church was Born on a sunday. The Holy Ghost came on sunday Jesus rose on a sunday . we can praise and Go to Church on sunday. its you that needs to look at your doctrine and your motives are they really of God or are they a outward expression of your beliefs
@Acerrak Then how come the church was held on the Sabbath?
You're ignoring the point strive made, that it was simply too late for the day of the sun to be anything special to the Christian. Theres no way around those 2 verses he provided, u kno...
Jesus rising on SUNday is no proof of needing to keep it. And it would have been too late anyway.
Why exactly do "protestants" keep their members observing SUNday? I know why Catholics do, but why "protestants"?
@RemixtLatino brother church was held everyday, do not confuse church with sabbath keeping. sabbath means rest. sacrifices were daily. scripture reading was daily, fellowship was daily. praise and worship in the synagogue and the temple was daily.
church can be daily praise God should be daily. dont get physical rest confuced with church. sabbath does not mean going to church
since the bible says that the new moons ( not ceremonial) was used for time keeping holy days feast and sabbaths all were the subastance of Christ why do you deny him? why do you choose to honor the shadow and not the one who cast the shadow. since the substance of all this is Christ why then do you deny your Holyday your feast and sabbaths which now is Christ. why do you deny your true sabbath which is Christ jesus= rest in the holy spirit?
Please show me from the Scriptures that church was held every day consistently. If this is something you have come to believe, why exactly do you go to church on the day of the sun?
Why have you not considered pushing for a weekly tuesday observance?
Friend, via the Scriptures, I have very strong evidence for remember the Sabbath post resurrection.
Only one day is blessed, theres nothing you can show using the Bible that has changed.
Do u know what a new moon is? Its a new month. That is all. Nothing complicated.
What have I said to lead you to believe I deny Christ? If anything, I walk as the LORD of the Sabbath walked, and I observe the commandments as He did (John 15:10) and asks us to do (John 14:15) because they have not gone anywhere (Luke 16:17).
The Sabbath is not a shadow. You know why it is not by now. Next.
Christ does not equal the Sabbath. Thats been shown unBiblical more than once as well. Next.
On the new moon, the first day of a new month, they had a celebration, and worshiped God on that day, as well as other things. They also did no buying or selling on this day as well.
Amo 8:5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
Worship was also done on the new moon:
Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
There are many things scattered throughout the bible regarding the new moon, this is why we often comment on whether or not you keep the new moon, and why we know it was a festival, too, one in which worship occurred.
@Myhopeisinhim So a trumpet was blown in the new moon. Thats fine too :) I am not opposed to that worship happened in the new moon. The Sabbath day was not the only day worship happened.
But my question remains. Where is the new moon in the ten commandments?
You said: But my question remains. Where is the new moon in the ten commandments?
My question remains: where are the two greatest commandments in the ten commandments?
Another question: Where are the meat laws in the ten commandments?
You seem to stick to the specific words of the ten commandments, and ask, where is the new moon in the ten commandments; but, how come you don't ask the same thing of the two greatest commandments or the meat laws?
I'm afraid your logic confuses me. You stick to the ten when it suits your purpose, and make comments such as, but its not written in the ten so its not part of God's law; but then when we point out other things you stick to that aren't written in the ten, you somehow try to integrate it such as the two greatest commandments.
You also believe that the health laws are still in effect today, but I don't see them in the ten commandments. so this is another incident of God's law.....
Your own logic, and your own understanding of various things, shows me that God's law extends past the ten commandments, as much as you don't want to admit it.
Your own teachings, and the teachings of the bible prove to me that the law of God is the entire book of the law in its entirety, and doesn't just belong to one group of commandments, but ALL of them. You only stick to the ten when it suits your purpose.
I don't mean to be rude, but either you have to accept only the words of the ten commandments as God's law, which means the two greatest, and meat laws aren't included in the laws of God, or you accept the law of God extends past the ten and encompasses the entire book of the law.
But to be honest and this is how I see it, God's law is whatever is part of the specific covenant at the given time. The law of Moses contained laws that Abraham never had, and the new covenant contains laws that....
@Myhopeisinhim As I've shown them to all be in harmony with one another, it appears you are only creating a problem that does not exist.
Thats not exactly entirely true. All 10 commandments were shown and in effect before Moses. Actually, I think you can find each of them at least twice, before Moses' time :)
Even if you read them though, for yourself, based on history, I feel that even with the plainest of words, you would still not change your mind.
@Myhopeisinhim Have you seen all my videos? Are they only teaching about the 10?
Your answer gives strong reason to understand that you haven't. Why then do you make such a statement not having the whole picture? I only have 9 videos up currently, not THAT time consuming ;)
Its not just the 10 I try to teach. I may place emphasis because people forgot about them, and pretend thats a good thing, and then deceive others to think its ok to not follow them.
@Myhopeisinhim Its late, I'm never up this late. I'll try answer simple, as your question was short. If my answer was not relating to your question, I ask that you rephrase it. I'll probably head to bead shortly after this.
I would say the very words determine what we are to keep, of the 10Cs. Its not hard to understand. Don't kill, don't lie, don't worship other gods, keep His Holy day, etc.
Also the fact that they are kinda forever (Psalm 111:7,8; Luke 16:17; Revelation 11:19 ;)
I know the feeling*lol* most of the time I'm writing to you after I've gotten home from a night shift. Hard to put two coherent thoughts together, let alone spell properly*lol*
I try to respond in the morning when I get home. I have one more night shift then I'm off for three nights *woot*
@Myhopeisinhim I've answered the question you presented about Jesus' rest. please see comments. The two rests are the same, don't be tricked on a word switch.
@protochris You know, you are still faced with this reality.
Matt 11:28 / rest / anapauō / From G303 and G3973; (reflexively) to repose (literally or figuratively (be exempt), remain); by implication to refresh: - take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest
Heb 4:9 / rest / sabbatismos / From a derivative of G4521; a "sabbatism", that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.
NOT the same. You need to acknowledge this.Or not, but then its obvious you're deceiving
@RemixtLatino You are obviously quoting from a publication, because the construction of your argument makes no sense. Let me make it simple, straight from the bible, Exodus 31:17 " In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and on the 7th day he rested "katapavse" and returned to rest "Anapavse". The same two words used to describe God's day of rest. Jesus uses the same verb "anapavo" as that used to describe God's rest. Don't pretend to know the language, that's your deception.
I think another important thing is the fact that God didn't rest because it was the seventh day,and I think this is what others forget. He didn't rest to observe the sabbath, but rather because his work was done.
They tend to look back and believe that God observed the sabbath when it wasn't even about the sabbath back then. The word doesn't even appear. And we to can rest because our work is done, we no longer have to seek to be accepted by works, he accepts us in Jesus.
@Myhopeisinhim That's what the "Sabbatismos" means in the book of Hebrews ch4, because we enter this rest in Christ. Now we have a higher standard of conduct, because we're in the spirit and must bear fruit to show it. We have to "truly" exceed the righteousness of the law in our obedience to Christ.
Exactly, and if we're in the Spirit, the fruits will be born, especially as we learn more about him and grow in him. The Spirit creates a desire in us to bring glory to his name, and what better way to do that then present his love to the world.
1Jo 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren
@Myhopeisinhim Yes, it is disturbing when you hear terms like God "kept" the Sabbath-as though it was an institution that existed before Him. God didn't "keep" anything, because he created everything.
@protochris Biblos. com, live. esword. net, Bible. logos. com, and others agree. To my knowledge, none are SDA which speaks actually now rather loudly.
Maybe it makes no sense because you have made your mind up to continue believing something that is not backed by Scripture, and have no intention of ever changing your mind no matter how many times its disproven.
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@RemixtLatino What are you speaking about ? You mention the word "Sabbatismos", but I don't know what discussion you're refering to. I do know you were wrong on Anapavsis vs Katapavsis. I base my facts on the Greek language and the word of God. If it's not according to the word, there is no light in it.
@RemixtLatino Let's set aside the Greek Language and interpretations of scripture. Do you ever wonder why in the NT Paul addresses the problems of: idolatory, fornication, incest, covetousness, back-biters, forsaking assembly, theft, laziness, lust, and every conceivable sin under heaven, but never mentions the Sabbath as a problem, only to say not to judge a brother about it. Do you think the early church had all these issues, but still kept the Sabbath so Paul wouldn't have to rebuke them 1x !
@RemixtLatino i can definatly stand on matthew 11:28 that is rest for your soul! what else should we hope for? and i also want you to look up lunar sabbaths very interesting stuff on that. and we are people of faith and we are justified by faith and so because of my faith in Christ i have entered His rest Because of belief, simply resting on saturday wont do that, but you can still give that day to the Lord as you do.
@Acerrak Now you said rest for your soul. You've switched up your words. If this is how you choose to leave it, then I am fine with that. Jesus does after all provide a rest. However, He is NOT a substitute for the Sabbath, otherwise, a different Greek word would have been in place ;)
I've been through that topic (not with you). Nothing about lunar sabbaths concerns me, only that it is a false doctrine.
Simply resting on the Sabbath won't do. You're right. Its more than that you know.
See, what I'm getting from you, as I do w/ most others, is that you seem to believe that I think keeping the Sabbath alone is what is going to save me, when in fact, I may be keeping the Sabbath, and forgetting the LORD of the Sabbath.
It seems you think I believe that I can save myself by keeping the Sabbath.
To put plainly, I keep the Sabbath because God asks us to. Thats enough for me ;) And I've proven God asks us to do that more than once. I have nothing left to prove, its been done.
@RemixtLatino no the word for rest there is not sabbaton, but when you get into the greek in col 2:16-17 it is sabbaton and he is (paul) talking about the weekly sabbath, He had already stated the passover was a like figure as well. Paul wrapps it all up and stated the substanse of those days are now in Christ and that my dear brother goes hand in hand with matt 11:28-29
@Acerrak Which comment are you referring to? I don't see that I've used the word "sabbaton" in the posts above. You made a claim that I used that word, yet I don't see it.
You know, you should know how Col 2:16,17 DOES NOT mean the weekly Sabbath better than me now, considering all the times you must have heard it properly explained now.
Compare words like "handwriting of ordinances" , "against us", "sabbath days" ect to texts like Deut 31:24-26; 2 Chron 35:6,11-13 and plenty others.
@Myhopeisinhim Have you seen all my videos? Are they only teaching about the 10?
Your answer gives strong reason to understand that you haven't. Why then do you make such a statement not having the whole picture? I only have 9 videos up currently, not THAT time consuming ;)
Its not just the 10 I try to teach. I may place emphasis because people forgot about them, and pretend thats a good thing, and then deceive others to think its ok to not follow them.
@Myhopeisinhim No more reason for you to be confuse :) I've answered your Qs by the 10, while you could not do the same for me.
I do believe health laws are still in effect. God wants us to live as long and as healthy as we can :) After all, His original intention was for us to live for eternity.
See, I'm not picking and choosing to my convenience :) Only sticking to the Bible, thats all :)
Sometimes its hard to answer all of them because it would make my post too long, or I might miss one along the way, but I do my best to answer them all. If you have specific questions I've missed, and I'll look back over to ensure I haven't missed any, but I do answer the ones I find, you may not like the answer, but I do try to answer.
How do you continue telling people that Jesus is our Sabbath rest when the verse does not say Sabbath, first of all, and then the Greek word used for rest does not mean the Sabbath rest either? (an example of that would be Hebrews 4:9)
Q1 simplified. Why do you keep saying something there is no proof of?
@RemixtLatino That's absolutely not correct about the use of the Greek word "Anapavo" vs Katapavo. It's the same word used to describe the Sabbath rest in Exodus 16:23 "Anapavsis", also, the word Anapavsis is used to describe God's 7th day rest in other scripture. They're virtually identical in meaning. One just means to resume rest, the other means simply to cease or rest.
@protochris It absolutely IS correct, and I've proven it. Why go round and round? Its starting to bore me quite a bit honestly. It seems no one here is interested in listening, only throwing out opinions of texts and personal interpretations which are inconsistent with the rest of the Bible.
Jesus is NOT a Sabbath 2 any1 cuz NOWHERE in the Bible is such a statement made. No 1 has been able to prove it, & no 1 will, cuz its not there.
Jesus does not equal Sabbath. He is LORD of it. Different.
1 is to be refreshed from something. I can provide that kind of rest, you can too. You may be hot in a summer day, stop by my street, and I may offer you refreshments.
2 Then there is the Sabbath, a day that has a special blessing, different from the day of the sun and the other 5 days of the week. A day to remember our God as Creator, to do His will, to gather for Holy convocations etc. His Holy day.
When you come to Jesus, He does provide rest for your soul. A sense of calm. Given.
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@RemixtLatino no i didnt say u used the word sabbaton. I am talking about col 2:16-17 uses the word sabbaton which is the weekly sabbath. and the weekly sabbath(sabbaton) was a shadow.
@Acerrak I apologize then for misunderstanding you. I thought you had meant that I had used it. Now I know that is not what you meant.
Next, the Sabbath cannot be a shadow. Man sinned Gen 3. Sabbath sanctified and blessed Gen 2. So as it was already in play, before sin, it cannot then point to something after sin. It was not God's intention that man sin. The line upon line references I shared above makes this a case closed. Sabbath is not a shadow. The weight of evidence is clear.
@RemixtLatino did you ever do a study on the lunar sabbath, brother it will blow your mind. until the days of roman rule israel did not have a calender as we do today, and sabbaths very differently based on the new moon pretty interesting stuff. and yes again even in the greek the word sabbaton is the sabbath, It is between you and God on that brother it was a shadow.
@Acerrak Yes, I have studied the lunar sabbath. It did not blow my mind, rather, showed me how much Satan hates the truth of the Sabbath. Its one of his doctrines.
Forget the Romans, lets stick to the Bible. In the beginning, God created. For 6 literal days, God created. And on the seventh day, He rested. God did not rest based on the moon's activity.
Neither Did God mention the moon in the 4th commandment.
@RemixtLatino ill have to get you a greek outline, i dont feel like doing it today. I just skimmed over the material but i dont have time to Pm it to you Church starts soon and i must be getting ready God Bless
@Acerrak I read that when Constantine was setting the new Roman calendar, he tried to determine the date for Passover but had a difficult time because there were so many Jewish calendars and all were unreliable. He created a committe just to reconstruct the calendar in order to determine the day & date of Christ's resurrection.
@RemixtLatino The Sabbath "commandment" came after sin, never before. Abraham didn't keep it, and is was from him that we received the "promise". Animals existed before sin, but the "commandment" to sacrifice them didn't come until after sin.
I agree, God prepared certain things before the commands were given. He knew that he would prepare for them clothes to cover them. He knew animals would be used for sacrifices. And he knew what plans he had for the sabbath, along with the entire law before sin even entered the world.
It was already decided that Jesus would die even before sin came into the world, so it doesn't surprise me that he set things up the way he did at the beginning.....
Three elements are not present in Genesis about the Sabbath: that it was a commandment, that it was "made for man", and it that was meant for worship.
It was entirely set aside for God for "His" works that "He" had made. It meant nothing else until Exodus 16 when God revealed it to Israel so that YHWH could be their "God".
@RemixtLatino@RemixtLatino He is Lord of the Sabbath, but not "The Lord" that would be used as a direct connection between Jesus and the Sabbath, see Mark ch 12:9 where it talks about the "Lord" of the vineyard. This has the definite article "the" in front of Lord to show a direct connection to the subject (vineyard). Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, just as in Acts ch10:36 God is described as Lord of All.
Where in the ten commandments are the health laws? You argue against circumcision, and other feast days because they aren't mentioned in the ten commandments, yet you willingly accept the health laws, which aren't in the ten commandments either.
Which person decides what laws outside the ten to keep, and which not to keep? I see a lack of consistency.
@Myhopeisinhim I've already covered the health laws in the 10Cs. Its around here somewhere :)
There is no lack of consistency. I've addressed it.
Yet, and not for the first time, I would like to remind you and everyone else, there are 66 books in the Bible. I regard the 10 as very important, but as you've noticed, I quote from a variety of the 66 books ;)
@Myhopeisinhim So you're not going to even attempt to answer my question. Thats fine. You didn't have to put it this way for me to know that you wouldn't. I do not doubt your intelligence. I say this because there is no answer. Hey, I can't find new moon in the 10Cs either, so its ok :)
To answer your Q while you cannot answer mine, again...
1st greatest commandment is found in the first 4 commandments. Thats how you love God, as it deals with Him keeping those 4. Do you love Him? Keep those
@RemixtLatino 2nd greatest commandment. Easy again, and not the first time I answer this for you either. By keeping the last 6 commandments you show your love to your neighbor. If you love them you will not steal, kill, cheat on, etc. Easy, right?
Next.
Health laws. Ok, y not, here goes. You know, to kill someone it does not have to happen quickly. Slowly still applies, even if its to yourself. Eating foods that'll shorten your life would fall in there too. It does make sense, you know this.
My dear friend, the last six may be things you do your best to keep "if" you love someone, but they are NOT the love command. You tell me, but where is this command or that command in the ten commandments. When I bring up circumcision, you say where is that command in the ten commandments, the same goes with the love your neighbor command.
God NEVER wrote the words of the greatest commandment, you can try to work around this by claiming those mean the love command, but.....
@Myhopeisinhim After this one I'm going to bed, so as of now I'll plead guilty if I leave some comments unanswered. I'm just going in order, not picking any special way.
Yes, they are. If I love you, I won't hurt you by taking something thats yours, when its not mine. I won't try to hurt you physically. I won't misrepresent you, and bear false witness, etc. See, if I cared not for you, then why not do the above?
When you bring up circumcision I have given you verses showing its no longer..
important to keep. I'm too tired to look it up again, but would you like me to find it for you? I will, under the condition that you stop bringing it up, I've answered for it via Scripture :)
I'm telling you plainly that the 2nd greatest commandment is within the last 6. And the 1st, within the first 4. You're the one going around things.
Not only that, but both 1 & 2 can be found in the Old Testament. Now does that make those shadows too?
You said: Ok, y not, here goes. You know, to kill someone it does not have to happen quickly. Slowly still applies, even if its to yourself.
Nearly every command can somehow be fit in to the ten commandments, for example, God says to perform circumcision. If you disobey, then you fail to follow the command to honor your father and mother, do you not? At least that is what people say of Adam who disobeyed and ate the fruit;)
right on point brother !
the world needs to know this - a sunday law is coming and people need to make an informed choice
god bless u
waz00z 7 months ago
@waz00z Thank you for taking the time to watch, and even your words. A Sunday law is truly coming. I have heard some interesting things around the Israeli government and that, but, I do not know much at this moment about it.
RemixtLatino 7 months ago
Amen! God Bless you!
RudeAwakning 1 year ago 6
Funny, I was reading the EXACT verse last night. I wondered about it and knew it had a part in God's seal.
So by keeping his SEVENTH DAY sabbath (along with the faith of Jesus) we will be granted the seal of God? But we will still sin in the flesh (which our Spirit is now dead to the flesh along w/ the crucification of Jesus on the cross)?
Also, my mom always tries to back out of the keeping of the Sabbath by saying, but God wants us to keep all days holy. I understand what she means...
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush Well, its not keeping the Sabbath commandment only. All 9 are to be kept by God's people, but this is not a burden, it is for our own good :)
Well, we do still sin, and fall short of the glory of God. But, one day is coming, where those sealed, will not sin. There will be no Intercessor in the heavenly Sanctuary so by this time, well... a careful study of the sanctuary and Revelation is very interesting.
About every day holy, what verse of the Bible says that?
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 3
@RemixtLatino I dont know. She just keeps telling me that God wants us to keep everyday holy. I am trying to show her what I feel is truth. But she has no verse to explain
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush ...i understand what she means but i know that we can only truly keep the sabbath holy by setting aside daily labors, worries, and struggles.
That's what I was going to finish with. Guess it didnt get posted
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush sometimes yt is tricky w/ the comments. Thanks for sharing that other part 2.
The Sabbath really is a special day. It is sanctified, which means separated from the other six days. We cannot treat the Sabbath as we do the other days because God says we need to keep that day Holy. No where in the Bible does God say this about another day.
It is not only to set aside worldly things, but to do God's will, and to call His Sabbath a delight :) I can share some verses w/ u, if u like
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
@RemixtLatino Ya they made the comments all funny. I also wanted to ask about baptism and the yearly sabbaths, what do we do with them? Do we still honor Passover? Is baptism a must, or is it more of a symbol of our cleansing?
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush The yearly sabbaths were shadows. Think about what they did in these events. This all pointed forward to the cross, and came in after sin, not before it. We are not asked to keep those anymore.
Passover is also done away with.
Baptism, is still important. If conditions allow it to be possible, I would say that yes it is a must. It is symbolic of how you have died to the old life, and have risen again, like Jesus rose from death, to walk as He walked. Theres more to it.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 3
@RemixtLatino okay so sabbaths = no, baptism = yes.
How so? I do not know what or where to go to get baptised. I was baptised as a child but it did not matter bc i did not understand the truth of jesus then.
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush You got it. Well, the sabbaths outside the 4th commandment, the feasts or ceremonial sabbaths, those=no.
As for baptism, well there is quite a bit to it. If its ok with you, I'd like to send you a link to some more information about it. I think you'll get a lot from it and enjoy it much. Its not long to go through :)
It would be good to hear what you thought of it as well.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 4
@RemixtLatino i would like that very much
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush k, check your inbox in a few minutes.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
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@RemixtLatino
You said: Passover is also done away with
What are your thoughts on this verse:
Exd 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
It mentions that they are to keep it by an ordinance forever. What are your thoughts on the term "forever" used in this verse?
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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I hope you and your family are doing well:) May God bless you on this day!
Patricia
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim Yes, and the Bible also says that the fire Jerusalem went through was to be forever. This is where line upon line studies come in to clarify :)
Christ was the final passover, so anyone still taking part of that "ordinance" is saying that the death of Jesus did not cover their sins, because they are stuck in the type, failing to understand the antitype.
Hope this helps :)
Thanks, hope you and family are well as well. Back at ya, God bless.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 7
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@RemixtLatino
Do you relate the breaking of bread that we celebrate today with the passover, considering the Lord celebrated this with the disciples on the passover.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim its seems like that is a yes to me but I do not remember the verse to back up my claim, so it is just an opinion.
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim I have no reason to believe that breaking bread started at or is exclusive to passover. Not right now anyway. So I do not connect the two.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 9
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What about the first time that it is mentioned in accordance with the passover that Jesus wished to celebrate with his disciples?
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim breaking bread?
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@RemixtLatino
ya. Where Jesus took bread and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, and likewise with the wine.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim Thats not passover. Thats the Lord's Supper, you are now referring to. Different from passover, with a different purpose. Different meaning.
Back to breaking bread, ppl did that more days than not.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 12
@MamaRosenBush Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. | John 17:17
It needs to be found in the word of God, if such a statement is to be true. Thats what we have. We need to have a "Thus saith the LORD" or an "It is written" to defend our faith.
I understand it may be a little difficult, her being your mother.
I can tell you from reading the Bible that God does not say to treat every day as holy. God only blessed one day.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino Yes it is VERY difficult. Ok then that is what i will use to defend my statements. I will always back up what I say with verse. Then she may start to understand.
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush I understand. I hope all can go as well as it can go :)
If something cannot be defended by the Bible, then that should be worthy to note.
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: | 1 Peter 3:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. | 2 Timothy 2:15
:)
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
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MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush Can you briefly explain what you mean by "still under the law"?
Those who follow and obey Christ fully out of love are sealed. Everyone is going to have a choice to make.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino Im sorry I dont know what I said before bc I erased it. I realize we are not under the law, though, through the blood of jesus. And yes, now I understand, we should still obey the law out of love and not as grievous.
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush I can't remember the exact wording, but you may have said something like "anymore", or something else I was curious about.
The reason I had asked was cuz I wanted to also say that the law was never a Saviour. Not in the Old Testament, and not in the New Testament. Yet in both the 10Cs were observed by God's ppl, and that law has applied to all throughout the generations the same way, as it has not changed.
Thats cool you do get that :) Some here will try to confuse this topic.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino Hmm I honestly cant remember.
What did you mean by it was never a Saviour? That it is only a law (a way to see our sins)?
MamaRosenBush 1 year ago
@MamaRosenBush I mean that the law was never a way to save ourselves. We never could save ourselves, that was and still is impossible. From the beginning, the only way to be saved was through Jesus. It was that way in the Old Testament, as it was in the New, and still is.
The law has never changed, it cannot change even still. It is the way God governs His creation. It indeed does show us our sins, and also shows us how to love God with all our might, and how to love our fellow neighbor too.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 3
@RemixtLatino ok i understand then
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@ergotrof
There is no false "day" of worship ergo, all days belong to God. All days were created by God and the God of heaven and earth can be worshiped on any and all days. Why do you think the disciples gathered every day, and why daniel and the others prayed three times a day.
They didn't just praise and worship God on saturday. They praised and worshiped him on a daily basis. I do agree there is false worship, but that isn't decided by what day you worship.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim
I guess to keep it simple, tho I'm not trying to speak for ergotrof, only one day is blessed and sanctified. Thats it. Just one. For that special blessing, well, you already know ;) Theres really no disputing at least that little bit.
I'm jus saying.. much rather ergotrof answer for themself from here :) I'm really not trying to spend as much time commenting anymore, but rather writing blogs and producing videos instead.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 6
Great video my friend, have a blessed Sabbath.
Shalom!
theonewillcome 1 year ago 21
@theonewillcome Thanks. Do appreciate the time you took to stop by and watch. My Sabbath was good. Different, yet what made it different made it even better this time around :) Hope yours was blessed in a great way as well.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 3
Simply beautiful, and the TRUTH of GOD'S WORD.
I worship, pray to, sing with, and praise Messiah every minute of everyday, but on His Holy LORD'S Day, the 7th day, I give Him all of me, and leave all of my worldly burdens aside for those 24 hrs.
I OBEY CHRIST'S COMMANDS, He's my Father in heaven and Father knows best for me, for satan wants to steal us away from God!
Shabbat Shalom to all of God's children! Rest in His LOVE!
sweetwarriors 1 year ago 30
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@sweetwarriors Romans 14:5 "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems EVERY day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind".
We can each celebrate the Lord's day on different days. We have this liberty in Christ.
protochris 1 year ago
@protochris
And this has absolutely nothing to do w/ the Sabbath ;) It is talking about fasting, not worship. If you can't tell by about the 6 to 7 references on eating, then I'd have to seriously question your study habits.
Its a force, and you do not have a point with Romans 14:5. Thats a fact.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 14
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@RemixtLatino So I guess when Jesus says "Take, Eat,Drink, This is my body & blood. It's not about worship because he talks about food and drink. When Jesus says "I am the bread of Life", he can't be speaking about worship either.
protochris 1 year ago
@sweetwarriors Thanks for stopping by sweetwarriors. Long time no talk, hows all? Hope well.
I like how you made reference to everyday, that you do what you do. Some of our critics think we think there is something wrong with that, without reason. Now they have this testimony :)
A little in advance (my time zone anyway lol) Happy Sabbath :)
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 14
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@sweetwarriors
oh hey:) Long time no talk. I hope you are doing well. Glad to see you online, haven't seen you around for a while.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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No remix that is not biblical, infact the bible states clearly repent and be baptized for the remission of sins in the Name of Jesus and you shall recieve the promise. this promise is the Holy Spirit, this Spirit is the Seal of God, again your preaching works. if my works of rightousness is needed first then everyone is lost none will be saved
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak It is written:
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. | Matt 26:28
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. | Acts 5:32
A seal identifies someone. Its a royal thing. Kings had them. God has one. Its pin pointed in the Bible backed video we're commenting on ;)
Who said one could save themselves by their own works? Not me.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 3
Yes, He sent the Holy Spirit. This was necessary. However, no one is sealed. No one yet has the mark of the beast.
People may have the Holy Spirit abiding in them. However, the time of God's sealing and the counterfeit, mark, has not yet come.
The issue will be worship. Will you keep the laws of men, and worship God in vain? Or keep the 10Cs of a God who changes not?
Yes, I can tell you this much. When the time comes, those who do not keep the 10, will not have neither the Spirit or seal.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
But hey, you and whomever may choose as they wish. Telling people the Sabbath is abolished though, that is what is not Biblical.
Can you or anyone else really write back and say I and others have not provided dozens of verses proving its still in effect?
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
@protochris 2 Cor. 3 is talking about the MINISTRATION of the law. Taking the law from the tables of stone and writing it on our hearts - 2 Cor. 3:3. This is the New Covenant - Jer. 31:31-33, Heb.8:10, Heb.10:16.
The 10 commandments will NEVER pass away - PS.111:7,8, ISA:51:6,7, LUKE 16:17.
strivetoenterin 1 year ago 2
@Acerrak Cain was permitted to live after killing his brother, because the ceremonial law was not in effect yet. That was the law that "was added because of transgressions" - Gal.3:19. The book of the law - Gal.3:10. The law that was 430 years after - Gal.3:17.
Do we in modern society immediately kill someone who has taken another's life? How about stone someone for adultery. This happened to the Hebrews because they were under a THEOCRACY.
strivetoenterin 1 year ago 2
@strivetoenterin The law is the law it either is or it isnt, one cannot seperate and actually yes they already were offering sacrifices at his time, so that analogy goes out the window. they tithed to God and offered sacrifices. again the law is always whole and is never seperated into groups
Acerrak 1 year ago
Jesus asked the rich young ruler to keep THE TEN - MT19, MK10, LK18. To enter into life - MT19 or to enter into the city (New Jerusalem). I believe I'll do as my Master says. Must sign off now. You'll have to keep SPAMMING.
strivetoenterin 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino I too have found the ten commandments in GEN & EX before they were codified at Mt. Sinai. Yeah, the 3rd commandment must be there somewhere.
@Acerrak I keep God's commandments out of love - Just as Jesus asks us to do.
strivetoenterin 1 year ago
@strivetoenterin i dont doubt your sincerity tword God at all, but there more commandments than just ten and there is one that is already condeming this world and it is not of any of the ten that was given at my sinai. The pharasees kept the ten, but pride greed which is not of the ten overcame them in.
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak "leave your theology, get a relationship with Christ"
I too also have a wonderful relationship with Jesus Christ, Lord of the Sabbath.
strivetoenterin 1 year ago
@strivetoenterin again the bible clearly states the these sabbaths and holydays and feast were all the substance of Christ, now im not knocking your keeping of it. dont get me wrong your keep the sabbath how you see fit, but it cannot be used as a bases of salvation or you have made Christ of no effect. cause then there is no grace, and now salvation is in my hands. Jesus clearly said no man can save themselves
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak Celebrate. The Catholic "church" uses that term quite often, with SUNday being their chiefest celebration. You seem to be familiar with that term.
strivetoenterin 1 year ago
@strivetoenterin if you follow my church and its birth my apostolic fathers were ex communicated by the church because of conflicting views of baptism and many other doctrines of orthodoxy that isnt in the bible
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak "yesterday was pentacost sunday" I guess so if you observe the Pagan Ishtar. I follow the bible - No Christ-mass, Ishtar, or SUNday observance.
strivetoenterin 1 year ago
do you know what pentacost is?
it was a celebration. it was 50 days after the exodus that God gave Israel the TenC, from that shadow we get 50 days after the crucifiction of Christ God poured out His Spirit.
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak Actually I have found 9 out of the 10 commandments before Mt Sinai and the tables of stone. It seems I'm struggling to find the 3rd one, but it may be that you know where it is (before Exodus 20).
So yeah, those aren't shadows, thats impossible because they are perfect, Holy, good, etc and are forever to add to all that.
That it happened to fall in the first day of the week does not mean much. They still kept the Sabbath, not the day of the sun. Church was held on the 7th day still.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino if the ten commandments was given to abraham how do you think he would have reacted to the Voice saying go and sacrifice your son? dont you think that the voice would had contridicted the word? also why was cain permited to live. God spared Him, when clearly the law said he should have been put todeath.
Galations state the law came 400 years after abraham.
Acerrak 1 year ago
only thing that makes anything pagen is some one calling it pagen.
hey everyday we can celebrate Jesus Birthday, praise the Lord a savior is Born
Everyday is a day we can celebraate His ressurection. praise the Lord He has risen
we can praise God for washing away My sin!! everyday. leave your theology, get a relationship with Christ
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak
There is no command to celebrate Jesus' birthday in the Bible, however I will not tell you that you should not be thankful our Saviour came to be born of the same human nature we have, to die for our sins. It is a great thing to remember every day. Same with His resurrection, same with praising Him. All are great to be acknowledged every day of the week.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
When it comes to corporate worship, only one day is sanctified. Just 1 day is blessed. Want that special blessing? Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy.
Sunday, will not do, for it is a commandment of men. God says remember the Sabbath. Going to church on the day of the sun is a mere human tradition with no Biblical support whatsoever. This has been proven many times Acerrak. You as an intelligent person should have acknowledged this long long ago.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
@RemixtLatino brother, you know as well i as i do no certain of worship wil ever save you. if that is so then my salvation is dependant upon me, and if salvation is dependant on man for anything. then no man will ever see the inside of heaven. i mean you can defend the day till you die, i am going to defend Christ everyday. everyday.
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak I have reason to believe that in the last days, worship will be a main issue, or the main issue. A day will not save you, but allow me to translate that into obedience to our Creator, which btw the 4thC identifies.
Why would I defend myself. I could not die for myself, I've sinned. Only One could do that, and He did. And because this One could, I will at least try to follow Him, and not man. Did you know the term first day never even came out of the mouth of Jesus? Consider that.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
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the term first never came out of Jesus mouth. cause it was never a concern infact the words that Did was Love God with all your heart and Soul. now can you do that, while taking away a day of worship, on anyday that He created. one of these days ill send you a indepth view of this saturday that you hold on to. again nothing wrong with worshiping God on saturday , but dont knock it on sunday either
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak The term never came out of His mouth because it would never be significant in worship to Him.
Taking away something blessed and sanctified (Gen 2:2,3), to call a delight (Isa 58:13), the day Jesus is LORD (Matthew 12:8) over, is a good thing? I will not agree with that. Especially as its a day we will keep in heaven & new earth (Isa 66:22,23).
I do as I do w/ the day of the sun, because there is no command to remember it via the Bible. Am I wrong? If so, find me the command.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
And if it is a good thing that God would remove or demote a day, to be like any other, well that too I need Bible proof for.
And also, a simple question. Try then, working 7 days a week, continuously. Do you consider yourself superhuman so that you will not burn out? As I am human, I understand I will in fact, at some point, burn out.
I am thankful God has given separated a day to His people, 2 break from the other 6 days, & to remember our Creator. That, friend, can b defended w/ the Bible
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
Lastly, we were always free to praise and worship God on any day of the week. That is not new. But one thing has remained consistent. Only one day is blessed.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino the levitical priesthood made sacrifices daily, were not they blessed in the work they did everyday. did not they work on the sabbath. it is time to move away from the bond woman and become free. You can treat anyday as a sabbath, cause the sabbath is the substance of Christ just as the passover, now Christ is your passover
Acerrak 1 year ago
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@RemixtLatino
You asked: Do you consider yourself superhuman so that you will not burn out?
The rest of my body is not the rest that the bible is speaking about in the new covenant. When the new testament speaks of resting in God, it is not speaking of resting from our weekly labour. I have roughly 2-3 days a week off from work a week, but I don't consider that my rest in God.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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1) you're still forcing a blend in Matt 11:28 and Exodus 20:8-11, Heb 4:9 etc.
2) God says 6 days are for working purposes (4thC)
3) God says 1 day is sanctified as His). "But the seventh day is the sabbath OF THE LORD THY GOD).
4) I understand especially these days not everyone is working 6 days a week. However, if one did, they would need 1 to recover. Its clear which one. The Sabbath, there is no other.
I really dont know what more to say, I'm repeating the same things.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 5
@RemixtLatino what will condem you. the ten commandments or not knowing His Son. God delights more in His Son than anything. Yet while we were a evil abomination in the sight of God He loved us to send His Only Begotten. Christ my dear brother is My sabbath rest. and again since you use isaiah 66 tell me plainly do you honor the new moons stil today? please dont say you dont honor the new moon then say you honor the sabbath, cause then you will make yourself out for contridictions
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak @Acerrak :) Both, actually. It would be worse to not know His Son, but, the everlasting Gospel is to go to the world before the end comes. Everyone will have their chance to know HIm, whether they care for it or not.
Christ is your "Sabbath" rest? Prove it then. You are not allowed to use Matt 11:28,29 cuz we both know that that rest is no where near what the Sabbath means. So go ahead, please, remove my doubts about Christ being a "sabbath" rest. Show me the verse.
Thanks.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
Also, where is the commandment to observe New moons? Will it be done in heaven? Yes, cuz the Bible says so. You shared the verse yourself.
Well the 7th day Sabbath be kept too? Yes. You shared the verse yourself. So why not start that practice again now, as you'll be doing it anyway.
Is the Sabbath commandment to be observed? Yes. In the NT? Yes, at least 3 times.... at least. Hebrews 4:9 is clear. Yet some here, rather stretch verses to say what they don't say like Rom 14:5 or Matt 11:28
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
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Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
Its interesting that in these two verses you find two of the terms used in Colossians 2, yet people still deny that....
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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Colossians 2 means the seventh day sabbath. In regards to worshiping on the new moon in heaven, I happen to disagree, there will be no sun, or moon, so there will be no knowledge of days as such. There will be no going down of the sun to mark a new day, no new moon to start a new month.
The bible even speaks of the nations which are left will go up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of the tabernacles
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim There are 2 types of Sabbaths. And I can find reference using Col 2 terms that point to the book of the law, not the moral law. At least 7 or more references that prove it. Its not my fault others won't listen.
From month to month Hope. Thats all, and yes, we will also gather from month to month to worship because it is written. That you choose to disregard that is your choice.
Col 2 does not mean the 4th C. Whether you believe me or not, one day you'll know it doesn't.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 4
Allow me to clarify when I say "no where near what the Sabbath means"
As I see potential to be misunderstood, I will add a little more to that.
Simply put, I mean by definition. Rest in Matt 11:28,29 does not mean the same as "rest" in Hebrews 4:9.
Its like trying to convince me that a square is now also a circle. Jus going by definition, and can you blame me? Am I wrong? Look it up ;) I know you can.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino i know people of similar faith they have a service on saturday and on sunday. what is it? they have the mark on sunday but there ok on saturday everyweek? You tell me is it the sabath day that saves them or is it Jesus. it either is or it isnt.
Dont decieve yourself and think any kind of work wil ever grant you ascess to heaven, even rightous deeds will not do it. titus 3:5.
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak There is a condition to meet, in order to get the seal of God. The condition is as God has a government, and laws set up, as do nations here on earth, is to adhere to these laws. They are ten, and they do not change. This is not a confusing video. I like simplicity, and thats what I aimed to keep it at, simple :)
When have I said that I am saved by my works? Please show me where.
I've heard this too many times, w/o reason. Simply put... John 14:15, Revelation 22:14.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@Acerrak SO WHAT if these things "happened" on a SUN-day. I stand on "Thus saith the Scriptures." Jesus died on a Friday. Do we observe that day because of it? Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper on a Thursday. What about that? God rested on, blessed, and sanctified the 7th day. That settles it for me and just about any other honest-hearted person. What's your problem? (I have some good ideas about that).
strivetoenterin 1 year ago
@protochris Gal.3:15 / Heb.9:15 -17. Nothing can be added to or taken away from the New Covenant after the death of Christ. SUN-day observance began LONG after the death of Jesus.
I looked at your channel. I see that you're in league with myhopeisinhim - anti - Sabbath, anti - SDA, anti - TRUTH!
strivetoenterin 1 year ago
@strivetoenterin yesturday was pentacost sunday, that was the day when God in Heaven poured out His Holy Spirit on Those disciples in the upper room. The Church was Born on a sunday. The Holy Ghost came on sunday Jesus rose on a sunday . we can praise and Go to Church on sunday. its you that needs to look at your doctrine and your motives are they really of God or are they a outward expression of your beliefs
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak Then how come the church was held on the Sabbath?
You're ignoring the point strive made, that it was simply too late for the day of the sun to be anything special to the Christian. Theres no way around those 2 verses he provided, u kno...
Jesus rising on SUNday is no proof of needing to keep it. And it would have been too late anyway.
Why exactly do "protestants" keep their members observing SUNday? I know why Catholics do, but why "protestants"?
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino brother church was held everyday, do not confuse church with sabbath keeping. sabbath means rest. sacrifices were daily. scripture reading was daily, fellowship was daily. praise and worship in the synagogue and the temple was daily.
church can be daily praise God should be daily. dont get physical rest confuced with church. sabbath does not mean going to church
Acerrak 1 year ago
since the bible says that the new moons ( not ceremonial) was used for time keeping holy days feast and sabbaths all were the subastance of Christ why do you deny him? why do you choose to honor the shadow and not the one who cast the shadow. since the substance of all this is Christ why then do you deny your Holyday your feast and sabbaths which now is Christ. why do you deny your true sabbath which is Christ jesus= rest in the holy spirit?
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak
Please show me from the Scriptures that church was held every day consistently. If this is something you have come to believe, why exactly do you go to church on the day of the sun?
Why have you not considered pushing for a weekly tuesday observance?
Friend, via the Scriptures, I have very strong evidence for remember the Sabbath post resurrection.
Only one day is blessed, theres nothing you can show using the Bible that has changed.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
Do u know what a new moon is? Its a new month. That is all. Nothing complicated.
What have I said to lead you to believe I deny Christ? If anything, I walk as the LORD of the Sabbath walked, and I observe the commandments as He did (John 15:10) and asks us to do (John 14:15) because they have not gone anywhere (Luke 16:17).
The Sabbath is not a shadow. You know why it is not by now. Next.
Christ does not equal the Sabbath. Thats been shown unBiblical more than once as well. Next.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino
On the new moon, the first day of a new month, they had a celebration, and worshiped God on that day, as well as other things. They also did no buying or selling on this day as well.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim Can you please share the verse where there was no buying and selling on the first day of each month?
Another question. Can you identify a new moon ceremony in the ten commandments?
Thanks.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino
Amo 8:5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
Worship was also done on the new moon:
Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
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Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
Trumpets was also blown on the new moon:
Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
There are many things scattered throughout the bible regarding the new moon, this is why we often comment on whether or not you keep the new moon, and why we know it was a festival, too, one in which worship occurred.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim So a trumpet was blown in the new moon. Thats fine too :) I am not opposed to that worship happened in the new moon. The Sabbath day was not the only day worship happened.
But my question remains. Where is the new moon in the ten commandments?
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino
You said: But my question remains. Where is the new moon in the ten commandments?
My question remains: where are the two greatest commandments in the ten commandments?
Another question: Where are the meat laws in the ten commandments?
You seem to stick to the specific words of the ten commandments, and ask, where is the new moon in the ten commandments; but, how come you don't ask the same thing of the two greatest commandments or the meat laws?
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
I'm afraid your logic confuses me. You stick to the ten when it suits your purpose, and make comments such as, but its not written in the ten so its not part of God's law; but then when we point out other things you stick to that aren't written in the ten, you somehow try to integrate it such as the two greatest commandments.
You also believe that the health laws are still in effect today, but I don't see them in the ten commandments. so this is another incident of God's law.....
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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which isn't in the ten commandments.
Your own logic, and your own understanding of various things, shows me that God's law extends past the ten commandments, as much as you don't want to admit it.
Your own teachings, and the teachings of the bible prove to me that the law of God is the entire book of the law in its entirety, and doesn't just belong to one group of commandments, but ALL of them. You only stick to the ten when it suits your purpose.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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I don't mean to be rude, but either you have to accept only the words of the ten commandments as God's law, which means the two greatest, and meat laws aren't included in the laws of God, or you accept the law of God extends past the ten and encompasses the entire book of the law.
But to be honest and this is how I see it, God's law is whatever is part of the specific covenant at the given time. The law of Moses contained laws that Abraham never had, and the new covenant contains laws that....
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
the old covenant never had.
I wish I could, in all honesty, say you were right:(
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim As I've shown them to all be in harmony with one another, it appears you are only creating a problem that does not exist.
Thats not exactly entirely true. All 10 commandments were shown and in effect before Moses. Actually, I think you can find each of them at least twice, before Moses' time :)
Even if you read them though, for yourself, based on history, I feel that even with the plainest of words, you would still not change your mind.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim Have you seen all my videos? Are they only teaching about the 10?
Your answer gives strong reason to understand that you haven't. Why then do you make such a statement not having the whole picture? I only have 9 videos up currently, not THAT time consuming ;)
Its not just the 10 I try to teach. I may place emphasis because people forgot about them, and pretend thats a good thing, and then deceive others to think its ok to not follow them.
Sad.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
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What determines what we are to keep today in regards to commandments?
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim Its late, I'm never up this late. I'll try answer simple, as your question was short. If my answer was not relating to your question, I ask that you rephrase it. I'll probably head to bead shortly after this.
I would say the very words determine what we are to keep, of the 10Cs. Its not hard to understand. Don't kill, don't lie, don't worship other gods, keep His Holy day, etc.
Also the fact that they are kinda forever (Psalm 111:7,8; Luke 16:17; Revelation 11:19 ;)
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
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I know the feeling*lol* most of the time I'm writing to you after I've gotten home from a night shift. Hard to put two coherent thoughts together, let alone spell properly*lol*
I try to respond in the morning when I get home. I have one more night shift then I'm off for three nights *woot*
God bless:)
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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@Myhopeisinhim I've answered the question you presented about Jesus' rest. please see comments. The two rests are the same, don't be tricked on a word switch.
protochris 1 year ago
@protochris You know, you are still faced with this reality.
Matt 11:28 / rest / anapauō / From G303 and G3973; (reflexively) to repose (literally or figuratively (be exempt), remain); by implication to refresh: - take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest
Heb 4:9 / rest / sabbatismos / From a derivative of G4521; a "sabbatism", that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.
NOT the same. You need to acknowledge this.Or not, but then its obvious you're deceiving
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 4
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@RemixtLatino You are obviously quoting from a publication, because the construction of your argument makes no sense. Let me make it simple, straight from the bible, Exodus 31:17 " In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and on the 7th day he rested "katapavse" and returned to rest "Anapavse". The same two words used to describe God's day of rest. Jesus uses the same verb "anapavo" as that used to describe God's rest. Don't pretend to know the language, that's your deception.
protochris 1 year ago
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I think another important thing is the fact that God didn't rest because it was the seventh day,and I think this is what others forget. He didn't rest to observe the sabbath, but rather because his work was done.
They tend to look back and believe that God observed the sabbath when it wasn't even about the sabbath back then. The word doesn't even appear. And we to can rest because our work is done, we no longer have to seek to be accepted by works, he accepts us in Jesus.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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@Myhopeisinhim That's what the "Sabbatismos" means in the book of Hebrews ch4, because we enter this rest in Christ. Now we have a higher standard of conduct, because we're in the spirit and must bear fruit to show it. We have to "truly" exceed the righteousness of the law in our obedience to Christ.
protochris 1 year ago
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Exactly, and if we're in the Spirit, the fruits will be born, especially as we learn more about him and grow in him. The Spirit creates a desire in us to bring glory to his name, and what better way to do that then present his love to the world.
1Jo 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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@Myhopeisinhim Yes, it is disturbing when you hear terms like God "kept" the Sabbath-as though it was an institution that existed before Him. God didn't "keep" anything, because he created everything.
protochris 1 year ago
@protochris Biblos. com, live. esword. net, Bible. logos. com, and others agree. To my knowledge, none are SDA which speaks actually now rather loudly.
Maybe it makes no sense because you have made your mind up to continue believing something that is not backed by Scripture, and have no intention of ever changing your mind no matter how many times its disproven.
Heb 4:9, Sabbatismos. Enough said.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
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@RemixtLatino What are you speaking about ? You mention the word "Sabbatismos", but I don't know what discussion you're refering to. I do know you were wrong on Anapavsis vs Katapavsis. I base my facts on the Greek language and the word of God. If it's not according to the word, there is no light in it.
protochris 1 year ago
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@RemixtLatino Let's set aside the Greek Language and interpretations of scripture. Do you ever wonder why in the NT Paul addresses the problems of: idolatory, fornication, incest, covetousness, back-biters, forsaking assembly, theft, laziness, lust, and every conceivable sin under heaven, but never mentions the Sabbath as a problem, only to say not to judge a brother about it. Do you think the early church had all these issues, but still kept the Sabbath so Paul wouldn't have to rebuke them 1x !
protochris 1 year ago
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@RemixtLatino i can definatly stand on matthew 11:28 that is rest for your soul! what else should we hope for? and i also want you to look up lunar sabbaths very interesting stuff on that. and we are people of faith and we are justified by faith and so because of my faith in Christ i have entered His rest Because of belief, simply resting on saturday wont do that, but you can still give that day to the Lord as you do.
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak Now you said rest for your soul. You've switched up your words. If this is how you choose to leave it, then I am fine with that. Jesus does after all provide a rest. However, He is NOT a substitute for the Sabbath, otherwise, a different Greek word would have been in place ;)
I've been through that topic (not with you). Nothing about lunar sabbaths concerns me, only that it is a false doctrine.
Simply resting on the Sabbath won't do. You're right. Its more than that you know.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
See, what I'm getting from you, as I do w/ most others, is that you seem to believe that I think keeping the Sabbath alone is what is going to save me, when in fact, I may be keeping the Sabbath, and forgetting the LORD of the Sabbath.
It seems you think I believe that I can save myself by keeping the Sabbath.
To put plainly, I keep the Sabbath because God asks us to. Thats enough for me ;) And I've proven God asks us to do that more than once. I have nothing left to prove, its been done.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
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@RemixtLatino no the word for rest there is not sabbaton, but when you get into the greek in col 2:16-17 it is sabbaton and he is (paul) talking about the weekly sabbath, He had already stated the passover was a like figure as well. Paul wrapps it all up and stated the substanse of those days are now in Christ and that my dear brother goes hand in hand with matt 11:28-29
Acerrak 1 year ago
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@Acerrak In acts 16:13 when Paul goes down to the river on the Sabbath, the same word "Sabbaton" is used as in Col 2:16-17.
protochris 1 year ago
@Acerrak Which comment are you referring to? I don't see that I've used the word "sabbaton" in the posts above. You made a claim that I used that word, yet I don't see it.
You know, you should know how Col 2:16,17 DOES NOT mean the weekly Sabbath better than me now, considering all the times you must have heard it properly explained now.
Compare words like "handwriting of ordinances" , "against us", "sabbath days" ect to texts like Deut 31:24-26; 2 Chron 35:6,11-13 and plenty others.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 4
A line upon line, precept upon precept study, pierces right through the heart of that false doctrine you are trying to impose.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 4
@Myhopeisinhim Have you seen all my videos? Are they only teaching about the 10?
Your answer gives strong reason to understand that you haven't. Why then do you make such a statement not having the whole picture? I only have 9 videos up currently, not THAT time consuming ;)
Its not just the 10 I try to teach. I may place emphasis because people forgot about them, and pretend thats a good thing, and then deceive others to think its ok to not follow them.
Sad.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim No more reason for you to be confuse :) I've answered your Qs by the 10, while you could not do the same for me.
I do believe health laws are still in effect. God wants us to live as long and as healthy as we can :) After all, His original intention was for us to live for eternity.
See, I'm not picking and choosing to my convenience :) Only sticking to the Bible, thats all :)
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
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Sometimes its hard to answer all of them because it would make my post too long, or I might miss one along the way, but I do my best to answer them all. If you have specific questions I've missed, and I'll look back over to ensure I haven't missed any, but I do answer the ones I find, you may not like the answer, but I do try to answer.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim Ok, heres one.
How do you continue telling people that Jesus is our Sabbath rest when the verse does not say Sabbath, first of all, and then the Greek word used for rest does not mean the Sabbath rest either? (an example of that would be Hebrews 4:9)
Q1 simplified. Why do you keep saying something there is no proof of?
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
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@RemixtLatino That's absolutely not correct about the use of the Greek word "Anapavo" vs Katapavo. It's the same word used to describe the Sabbath rest in Exodus 16:23 "Anapavsis", also, the word Anapavsis is used to describe God's 7th day rest in other scripture. They're virtually identical in meaning. One just means to resume rest, the other means simply to cease or rest.
protochris 1 year ago
@protochris It absolutely IS correct, and I've proven it. Why go round and round? Its starting to bore me quite a bit honestly. It seems no one here is interested in listening, only throwing out opinions of texts and personal interpretations which are inconsistent with the rest of the Bible.
Jesus is NOT a Sabbath 2 any1 cuz NOWHERE in the Bible is such a statement made. No 1 has been able to prove it, & no 1 will, cuz its not there.
Jesus does not equal Sabbath. He is LORD of it. Different.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 11
1 is to be refreshed from something. I can provide that kind of rest, you can too. You may be hot in a summer day, stop by my street, and I may offer you refreshments.
2 Then there is the Sabbath, a day that has a special blessing, different from the day of the sun and the other 5 days of the week. A day to remember our God as Creator, to do His will, to gather for Holy convocations etc. His Holy day.
When you come to Jesus, He does provide rest for your soul. A sense of calm. Given.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 8
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@RemixtLatino no i didnt say u used the word sabbaton. I am talking about col 2:16-17 uses the word sabbaton which is the weekly sabbath. and the weekly sabbath(sabbaton) was a shadow.
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak I apologize then for misunderstanding you. I thought you had meant that I had used it. Now I know that is not what you meant.
Next, the Sabbath cannot be a shadow. Man sinned Gen 3. Sabbath sanctified and blessed Gen 2. So as it was already in play, before sin, it cannot then point to something after sin. It was not God's intention that man sin. The line upon line references I shared above makes this a case closed. Sabbath is not a shadow. The weight of evidence is clear.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 7
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@RemixtLatino did you ever do a study on the lunar sabbath, brother it will blow your mind. until the days of roman rule israel did not have a calender as we do today, and sabbaths very differently based on the new moon pretty interesting stuff. and yes again even in the greek the word sabbaton is the sabbath, It is between you and God on that brother it was a shadow.
Acerrak 1 year ago
@Acerrak Yes, I have studied the lunar sabbath. It did not blow my mind, rather, showed me how much Satan hates the truth of the Sabbath. Its one of his doctrines.
Forget the Romans, lets stick to the Bible. In the beginning, God created. For 6 literal days, God created. And on the seventh day, He rested. God did not rest based on the moon's activity.
Neither Did God mention the moon in the 4th commandment.
Yet again, proven, Sabbath isn't a shadow.
Done.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 11
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@RemixtLatino ill have to get you a greek outline, i dont feel like doing it today. I just skimmed over the material but i dont have time to Pm it to you Church starts soon and i must be getting ready God Bless
Acerrak 1 year ago
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@Acerrak I read that when Constantine was setting the new Roman calendar, he tried to determine the date for Passover but had a difficult time because there were so many Jewish calendars and all were unreliable. He created a committe just to reconstruct the calendar in order to determine the day & date of Christ's resurrection.
protochris 1 year ago
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@RemixtLatino The Sabbath "commandment" came after sin, never before. Abraham didn't keep it, and is was from him that we received the "promise". Animals existed before sin, but the "commandment" to sacrifice them didn't come until after sin.
protochris 1 year ago
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I agree, God prepared certain things before the commands were given. He knew that he would prepare for them clothes to cover them. He knew animals would be used for sacrifices. And he knew what plans he had for the sabbath, along with the entire law before sin even entered the world.
It was already decided that Jesus would die even before sin came into the world, so it doesn't surprise me that he set things up the way he did at the beginning.....
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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....even though things wouldn't play out in full until later on.
Sin didn't need to exist for him to start on his plan. He knew sin was coming.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
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Three elements are not present in Genesis about the Sabbath: that it was a commandment, that it was "made for man", and it that was meant for worship.
It was entirely set aside for God for "His" works that "He" had made. It meant nothing else until Exodus 16 when God revealed it to Israel so that YHWH could be their "God".
protochris 1 year ago
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protochris 1 year ago
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@RemixtLatino @RemixtLatino He is Lord of the Sabbath, but not "The Lord" that would be used as a direct connection between Jesus and the Sabbath, see Mark ch 12:9 where it talks about the "Lord" of the vineyard. This has the definite article "the" in front of Lord to show a direct connection to the subject (vineyard). Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, just as in Acts ch10:36 God is described as Lord of All.
protochris 1 year ago
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@RemixtLatino
Where in the ten commandments are the health laws? You argue against circumcision, and other feast days because they aren't mentioned in the ten commandments, yet you willingly accept the health laws, which aren't in the ten commandments either.
Which person decides what laws outside the ten to keep, and which not to keep? I see a lack of consistency.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim I've already covered the health laws in the 10Cs. Its around here somewhere :)
There is no lack of consistency. I've addressed it.
Yet, and not for the first time, I would like to remind you and everyone else, there are 66 books in the Bible. I regard the 10 as very important, but as you've noticed, I quote from a variety of the 66 books ;)
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 3
@Myhopeisinhim So you're not going to even attempt to answer my question. Thats fine. You didn't have to put it this way for me to know that you wouldn't. I do not doubt your intelligence. I say this because there is no answer. Hey, I can't find new moon in the 10Cs either, so its ok :)
To answer your Q while you cannot answer mine, again...
1st greatest commandment is found in the first 4 commandments. Thats how you love God, as it deals with Him keeping those 4. Do you love Him? Keep those
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
@RemixtLatino 2nd greatest commandment. Easy again, and not the first time I answer this for you either. By keeping the last 6 commandments you show your love to your neighbor. If you love them you will not steal, kill, cheat on, etc. Easy, right?
Next.
Health laws. Ok, y not, here goes. You know, to kill someone it does not have to happen quickly. Slowly still applies, even if its to yourself. Eating foods that'll shorten your life would fall in there too. It does make sense, you know this.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago
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My dear friend, the last six may be things you do your best to keep "if" you love someone, but they are NOT the love command. You tell me, but where is this command or that command in the ten commandments. When I bring up circumcision, you say where is that command in the ten commandments, the same goes with the love your neighbor command.
God NEVER wrote the words of the greatest commandment, you can try to work around this by claiming those mean the love command, but.....
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim After this one I'm going to bed, so as of now I'll plead guilty if I leave some comments unanswered. I'm just going in order, not picking any special way.
Yes, they are. If I love you, I won't hurt you by taking something thats yours, when its not mine. I won't try to hurt you physically. I won't misrepresent you, and bear false witness, etc. See, if I cared not for you, then why not do the above?
When you bring up circumcision I have given you verses showing its no longer..
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
important to keep. I'm too tired to look it up again, but would you like me to find it for you? I will, under the condition that you stop bringing it up, I've answered for it via Scripture :)
I'm telling you plainly that the 2nd greatest commandment is within the last 6. And the 1st, within the first 4. You're the one going around things.
Not only that, but both 1 & 2 can be found in the Old Testament. Now does that make those shadows too?
Goodnight hope :)
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
typo typo, did I mention its late? Lol.. this is really my last one. I said:
" See, if I cared not for you, then why not do the above? "
I meant to say:
See, if I cared not for you, then why should I follow that part of the law?
Hmm, maybe the 1st answer made sense kinda too, Idk. I think you know what I meant though :)
Ok, I'm done, night.
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 2
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@RemixtLatino
You said: Ok, y not, here goes. You know, to kill someone it does not have to happen quickly. Slowly still applies, even if its to yourself.
Nearly every command can somehow be fit in to the ten commandments, for example, God says to perform circumcision. If you disobey, then you fail to follow the command to honor your father and mother, do you not? At least that is what people say of Adam who disobeyed and ate the fruit;)
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
@Myhopeisinhim Clever. But you're forgetting that I have shown you verses that make it clear that circumsi..... you know what, here it is, again.
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. | 1 Cor 7:19
Now you cant use that excuse anymore, right? So the answer is no, you do not fail to keep the commandment, now you know why :)
You also have to admit, that is a Bible answer to your question. Don't let that slip by you ;)
RemixtLatino 1 year ago 13