For the purpose of breaking things, I'm for 7.62X39. The material density stops it from fragmenting, thus being able to puncture a larger variety of objects. I'd recommend 5.56 for long range. If I had to recommend any cartridge though, I'd go for a much stronger round like .30-06, .270, or .308, with my favorite round being .375 H&H magnum.
Sorry but those cards were confusing at first, was "fps" for feet per second or lbs/ft? I figured it was how nutn said it verses what I saw but to me, fps = feet per second, not lbs/ft. Great vids!
My thoughts are if the military used or could use a 5.56 or .223 bullet that didn't over-penetrate ( hollow-point, soft point, etc), the noticed difference in stopping power between the two calibers would be alot smaller.
@huntkiller. I guess it comes down to preference, accuracy over power. If someone can hit a man between 25 and 300 yards faster than he can hit you with a wall of 7.62 rounds then the 5.56 is their round of choice. If you,re in a city environment and feel you can let off a bunch of rounds and hit a man between 25 and 300 yards faster( Close quarter combat is not 300 yards) then 7.62 is your round. I am a 5.56 round, but respect the destruction the 7.62 delivers even through "car doors" - Fact
@leongaines thats a common misconception. the 5.56 will leave a cavity many times larger than 7.62x39 in soft tissue within fragmentations velocity threshold. look at a ballistic wound profile chart. yes the 7.62x39 does a better job of defeating hard cover, but 5.56 steel core has no problem, as well as rounds like the M855A1
Guys, keep in mind, MOST gun fights our soldiers are facing in Iraq and Afganistan are within 100 Yards. Military teaches infantry to shoot 300 yards w 5.56. Anything beyond that is the job for scout snipers, many times using .308. 5.56 great round I think, for accuracy out to distance. However, 7.62 rounds WITHIN 100 YARDS can hit a driver car door, travel through the car, bust out the passenger door and hit the target hiding behind it. 5.56- accuracy; 7.62 - more stopping power
i hate how the 5.56 is offten under rated. the 5.56, like most high speed small caliber bullets, will fragment shortly after impact if the velocity is hight enough. about 500m (like MrDarkwolf1995 said) this fragmenting destroys a lot of tissue. the 7.62 will just pass strait thru with little to no tumble/frag. leving a clean wound. Its how that bullet reacts and dumps its energy into its target, not just how much energy it has.
I can tell u first hand all Army Infantry guys use m4's. Only soldiers that dont leave the wire have the old m16's .Although I have seen Marine Infantry using both.
nice comp, but the bullet design for the 5.56 was designed for a 20 inch barrel and data is writen for that. so unless you chronoed the 5.56 ammo out of a 16 inch barrel it would be wrong. while the AK round was designed for a 16 inch barrel.
the marine do NOT use the m16 they use the m4 carbine i know because 5 of my techers and family friends were/are in the marines and they all say they were/are issued with the m4 carbine
@tradbowhunter53 i know for a fact they still issue the m16 variant of the ar 15 platform. My best friend who was in Korea, and is now in Afghanistan was issued an M16/ with 20 inch barrel. The US Army also issues the standard, plain jane, run of the mill M16. they also issue M4's, they issue both, and much is based on the operators skills/job he or she required to complete. they also issues things like the M240/ M249's, SBR AR 15, various Springfield m21/m14 models.
@horsevet20 Im not saying that they dont still issue it in some cases, im just saying that its not the preferred assault rifle for the U.S. Military any more, they replaced it with the m4 because its lighter, better for close quarters combat(CQC) while still being able to maintain great accuracy nd reliability. It also is improved to be very reliable compared to the m16.
@tradbowhunter53 most marines are issued m16's sorry bud. ur quite mistaken. there even trained in m16's in basic almost exclusively (infantry gets m4's same as army)
@slcslobalt im sorry i did not mean to say that they are completely issued with the m4 BUT the m16 has started being replaced by the m4 for the us marines in 2010 and will be completely replaced by the end of 2012 like the army already has. a good family friend of mine that was in the marines (not infantry or army) told me this and he told me that he was trained with and was issued the m4 when he was deployed overseas. im not trying to be disrespectful but i know this personaly.
The accuracy of the AK is based mostly on what is needed. There was a study done (can't remember if it was before or after the AK's development) that said that the majority of engagements occurred within 300 m. The design was during a time that combat optics were mostly non-existent and the individual soldier had only iron sights. Soldiers would also be receiving support from MGs, DMRs, and vehicles, filling the AK's range deficiency. As an opticless weapon, I give it to the AK. With optics, AR.
ar or m4s were designed to fit better through doors and still use the m16 round to save cost. the ak was made to dilliver a more powerfull automatic round. the ar will always be more accurate and the ak will always be more powerfull at close range. i've shot thousands of rounds out of both the m4 and the m16 and the m16 is far more accurate but less mobile and mobility is a huge factor when riding in trucks. the m249 with optional short barrel actually compares best to an ak because of full auto
@allenhane wrong, an AK round will go straigth through you, a 5.56 will fragment inside you, creating greater cavitation and multiple wound tracks, especially at close range
@doktorstolat thats exactly why i have a 5.45 upper for my AR15, it has a piston system so its really reasy to clean after shooting all that 7n6 corrosive shit with my Slide Fire bump stock
Again great video. I liked the video. Theres alot of people not around anymroe because of these two specific rounds. Wish I knew the ballistics of the new US M885A1 5.56x45 EPR
Where I am located, its almost impossible to find anything but mil surplus 7.62x39mm. It is also almost impossible to find 5.56NATO... So the comparison for me would be a mil spec round vs a civilian round. I am sure many others are in my boat as well. I prefer mil spec rounds because of the pricing and ability to buy in tins or small crates.
The Hague Conventions (which we never signed by the way) are what delt with the use of expanding or flattening bullets. It's under Decleration III. And it only applies when two powers who signed the convention are fighting. If one of the powers brings in another country to fight with them that didn't sign the document it becomes null. We follow it because we are the "good guys". IMO we should use whatever is the most effective.
@jeepinbanditrider Well that's why the MK318 SOST (OTM) round was developed.. Special forces use it in SBR's, and the Marines are adopting it to supplement their standard M855 round. Everybody but the Army seems to want it.. Funny how they're just BTHP rounds that are renamed to "abide" by the Hague Convention. That crap is expensive though, over 2x the price of M193 or M855 rounds (at least for civilians)
I have been looking in to 20" barrels for my ar now their are a few differences like 1/7, 1/8, and 1/9 twist which would be ideal for best accuracy if setting up a distance ar.
@Hincesti07 simply a correction from my phone i typed 1/7 but it autocorrected and put 1/9 for whatever reason i dont know. i know tons about ar10's and ar15's i have 4 ar15's only 1 of them isnt modified
@acevoodoo This all depend on bullet weight you want to use, rate of twist is regulated to bullet weight not just for accuacry with all weights of bullets.
When you see 1/7 that means the bullet rotates 1 turn for every 7 inches of the barrel.
1/7 is for heavy bullets as is 1/8, 1/9 does well with most bullets but can loose some stalbility with 70 grain bullets and up in weight weights .
Remember the lower the number in rate of twist the heavier the bullet you may use.
I once saw an inline 100 round mag (ie not a drum) for an AK at an R&K Gun show that extended all the way to the muzzle and had a hook that went over the barrel. That has got to be so akward to hold.
I want to build my own AR 15,but I don't know how long my handgaurds should be.i want to have the carry handle sight on my AR so I need some room for that.I was thinking about a 12.5" or 14.5" barrel.Any advice for a newbie??
@KennyKrabbs Try M&A Parts. They will talk to you about your handguard and other questions and sell entire kits (minus the lower of course) in all different configs and barrel types. At least they used to and the parts are the same name brand builders buy. I got my 20inch stainless steel AR kit from them with some fancy accesories, put it together and have no problems with it. Some short barrel lengths might be illegal in your area but for practical sakes also I would go with a longer barrel.
@KennyKrabbs You should know if you build an AR with a 12.5 or 14.5 barrel you must apply to the ATF and have a police department sign off on your paper work for the license for a short barrel weapon, do you really want to do this then make your self open to the ATF and local Police ?
@KennyKrabbs 16'' ARs and M4s have shit ballistic next to a 20'' or 24''
a standard 55gr FMJ needs about to be traveling at about 1200 fps to fragment, thats only about 150 yards out of a 16'' barrel of course you go with higher grain shit and you get greater distance. that same 55gr will fragment out to 500 meters with a 20'' barrel
EVER WONDER WHY THE MARINES STILL USE FULL LENGTH M16'S?
He said I'm sorry for not using the metric system. If anything I would be saying get the fuck over it. Were America the world revolves around us not the other way around
@potatojuice321 And what country in the world does every foreign knuckle heads like you all wish to move to ?
Its the United States which I'm beting your just dreaming to immagrate to New York to live the easy life of free immagrant government hand outs, like your own free convientent 7-11 shopping mart and free money every month because your a immagrant living off American tax payer money !
@Hincesti07 i'm very happy to live in finland... i don't really care too much about america... and we also hate immigrants moving to finland, living with finnish people's money. isn't it fair that the government makes us pay to raping and murdering niggers?
Is this ballistic data taken by shooting from these guns?
I haven't heard from you (maybe I was not enough attentive), that ballistics depends not only on round itself, but also on barrel (=gun itself), so if you give advices for buyers, you should notice, that they need test each gun for accuracy very carefully
Narcos in Mexico prefer the AK-47 vs Military and Federal Police's AR-15. Is it reason why more narcos than federal forces die when they face to shot due to better accuracy and scope of AR-15's???
@bicimario now the military and federal police are changing foreign rifles for a mexican named fx 05 i. it is a mexican rifle with similar shape to a g 36
@SuperHectortilla Yeah in fact in the last independence parade in Mexico City a TV commentator talked about those Mexican rifles, but do you think they prefer to manufacture their own rifles because of lower expenses or because ths fx 05 has new and better features?. by the way, what ammo do they shoot?
@bicimario they shoot 5.56 and it is mainly because the g36 are to expensive , now they can get more rifles more easily and with a lower price ( fx05)
I agree with this very much. The AK is too often labelled as being the high "damage" type of gun. The fact is a bullet is a bullet and 5mm type bullets happen to be better in the grand scheme.
I do wish you mentioned that many, if not most, AK variants were made to use the 5mm types of ammo for these very reasons in the video. At least the comparison was in the ammo itself and not the guns, so that does help even out the argument.
@7graywolf7 Better. That's subjective. The 5.56x45 is very limited in bullet weight. The projectile is more easily influenced by wind. It's more easily deflected by brush, and not as effective against barriers. The round arguebally lacks lethality. There are many reports of the round doing very minimal wounds, rather then devastating.
Panther makes a .308 with the M16 or AR15 platform. My opinion is if we would have stuck with the M14 we would have saved a lot of ammo & if they would have developed the M16 around the .308 round the AK 47 would have never compared to it . And we still could have made a shorter polymer stock version that would have been far superior to either of the M16 or the AK 47. To me it would have struck fear into every enemy at the receiving end.
The 5.56X45mm is a fragmentation round. If it doesn't have enough velocity, it will go straight through just like the 7.62X39mm. Now the 5.45X39mm is a tumbler, because it is unstable.
1 of these rifles is great for unskilled guerilla/militant/hastily trained conscript. The other rifle is the means for a highly skilled professional shooter i.e. warfighters & LEO to maximize his/ her skills. Basically it's a tractor vs a formula 1 car.
Yeah Obama has not touched the subject. He is a dem, and a lib, but really the hype is over stated on the gun control issue. The biggest reason ammo is more expensive is because we have 2 wars suckin up the ammo!
we may want to start thinking more like the israelis,galil,steal the best of both worlds,rather than fall in love w/ one,warts & all (7 micro locking lugs/recesses,caked by the mid-barrel carbon-blast?krikey)
also,i think geneva conv outlaws exposed lead only (as softnose was the hollowpoint of that day),& so would'nt prohibit solidcopper hollowpoints
also,what about offcentering noses w/ a file or the sidewalk?i heard the israelis have done that for decades;the ak74/5.45R tumbles to the max
I know this video was made in 2009, but even then, I was shooting 69-75gr soft points/hollow points out of my AR-15. Granted, I went out of my way to obtain a 1:7 twist rate quality barrel. GREAT video, but, even in 2009, I don't know any of my shooting buddies that load a 55gr FMJ when they care about ballistic performance. This is not criticism just an observation about the "average" .223/5.56 cartridge that most people I personally know use :)
In the Finnish forest most antagonists will be using the same 7,62x39R caliber for some weird reason dating back to WW2. And a heavier round just works better in a dense forest. :)
I'd like to talk about the controversy mentioned briefly here concerning Wounding the Enemy and Killing the enemy. I know I may catch some flack for saying this, but I do agree that in a military battlefield situation, evacuating multiple enemy soldiers vs killing one of them is greatly advantageous. Now, modern warfare does not always allow for this, as terrorists often can act without regard to their comrades, but as an overall strategy, it is one that I proudly support.
I knew nothing about any gun, now I understand what the ballistics mean, I understand the gradients, now I feel like I know something and this is just the 2nd video, Can I please rate this video? lol
@marinedddrrr Wrong.... The 5.56 is slightly thicker thus increasing the pressure the round will cause in the chamber. While close, they are not the same round. Before you go posting on youtube that you can fire a 5.56 through a .223 you should probably google SAAMI specs for both rounds and that will prove what Im saying if you dont believe me. While yes you can fire 5.56 through a .223 its is STRONGLY discouraged. It only takes one round to blow in the chamber to fuck your day up.
@juggernautiscool There are differences. You CAN NOT use 5.56 in a gun chambered for .223. This can cause the gun to explode and cause serious injury. There are several factors that are to complex to go into here but it is not safe to use 5.56 in a gun made for .223.
and before I go maybe its time to educate you on another thing. the marines still use those old rifles becouse they get the old hand me downs from the army, and the army gets all the new updated equipment. Its not fair and I hate that we dont all get the same equipment but thats just how it is. you sir need to learn what the hell it is your talking about before you open your mouth.
wow man you need to look at your own info, or info of someone who knows what there doing. the 5.56 is a harder hitting round. it makes more energy on impact than the 7.62 weather you or anyone else likes it that is the facts. more impact energy is a harder hit.
big factor is wound cavity and damage dealt. When you study the 7.62X39mm round, it does better forcing through heavy objects many times over a 5.56mm, however the 762x39mm round goes into a soft target and often out very clean. The 5.56 does massive damage, even the size of soft balls when it exits.
When you read a boo called reflections of a warrior by medal of honor winner frank D miller, he was hit 3 times by an AK. took one in the chest. He swears had it been a 5.56, he would be dead.
@dialn911 The 5.56x45 can end up doing as much as a .22 LR if it doesn't have enough velocity.David Petraeus got shot in the chest with a M16 and survived.
if you get the chance go rabbit hunting with the ar and the ak when you hit the rabbit it destroys it with both rounds the ar cuts it open and the ak knocks it down. Regardless if you take either of these to the chest your ganna die haha.
during my time over seas i had the experince of getting hit by a 7.62x39 and i have also seen the differences of the power it holds in close range having said that, it just doesn't go where you want it to after about 150 yards, plane and simple further more the 5.56 round is simply to small it cant go threw mud walls which became a huge problem in towns full of mud buildings. it also more times then not takes more then one round to take a target down.
You should look into the 6.5mm grendel, it overpowers the 6.8 SPC in many aspects - Has virtually the same kinetic energy (more than the 6.8 at 200 yards +), slightly less speed at ranges of 0 - 150 yards but is able to retain speed and bullet trajectory more constant up to significantly longer ranges and is still supersonic up to 1000 yards.
Dude love all your videos, just bought a Stag AR-15 stripped lower, can't wait to start the build. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into things.
That observation is correct but my comment was directed to what Nutnfancy said about the fire power is equal (between the two) but I think it's easier to use that fire power more accurately (in full/semi auto) with an AR15 than an AK47 and therefore should the AR come up on top in that subject.
I would anyways like to see that comparison taht you and others are suggesting, ;)
ya if u can make a video of the ak74 and the AR that whould be awsome..because the 74 and the AR have much more in common and whould have alot more topics to contrast with eachother> THanx
First love the vids BUT dude you used junk amm for the AK I know people say wolf is junk but it hits alot harder and cones in hollows with also still being sleel lined so hitting say a person behind a wall is no problem.2 and this is the real ? if the 556 is so good why are they using a bigger round makes no sence ???
at about the 6 minute mark u mention how the m16 has more energy at 25 yards but the AK actually does more damage. Its physics, the 5.56 round is zipping so fast and has so much less mass/width than the ak, that less energy is going to dissipate into the object that is hit. the ak, is going so much slower that it transfers more energy into the object hit at closer rounds
The huge air bubble in the narrow tip of wolf 7.62x39mm will generally promises consistent yawing with a unjacketed base also there seems to be more cheap HP's loaded in still for 7.62x39mm. The standard 55 fmj grain 5.56 NATO also tumbles very well and is available from cheap steel case ammo companies like Tul, Grizzly, and Wolf ammo with the air pocket in nose and a hollow base.(Not that a 5.56 needs help tumbling). Also I can't wait to get some Hornady Steel Match loaded with V-max ammo.
The only reason why I shoot the AK round or 7.62x39mm is because its illegal to hunt with a 223 or 5.56. I would really like it if they would lift some of the caliber restrictions where I live. Also the AK round seems to penetrate more then the 5.56 but the 5.56 tumbles (or Yaws) better in fmj ammo and is superior at close ranges in terms of wound channels and much easier to place at longer ranges.
Because of its high velocity and lighter round the .223 cal or 5.56 mm is that the bullet will start to tumble as it enters the body so that the entry wound is small and the exit wound is very large. It could potentially remove an arm....It is a very devastating round. The down side is that it could be easily stopped by body armor or vehicle doors...
i think on the ballistics you used a 20in or longer, barrel for the 5.56....not many people use a long barrel on there ar's... now.with a 16in barrel the 223 is a whole different story...and a lot less energy then what you have on your video...just helping others
Loving the videos, just note that it is the Hague Convention 1899 which bans the military use of expanding ammo bellow the calibre of 40mm, not the Geneva Convention.
I can hit a torso sized target all day long without a scope at 500 yards without even hardly trying. I can't say that for the AK. However, the AK is a good "end of the world" weapon because it can take so much abuse and neglect and still function. It does have a take down advantage w/ the bigger projectile but what good is that if you can't hit your enemy because there is medium wind and he is 350 yards away ? Again, both excellent weapons built for different objectives.
No matter how much data you throw at it, it's a ridiculous question to begin with. It's like asking "which is better, a Ford F-150 or a Ferrari ?" It's a stupid question because they are so completely different and are designed with different objectives. An AK is designed so that a 12 year old can pick it up and hit something with it at 100 to 200 yards and rarely if ever clean it. It is built for abuse and neglect. An AR 15 is a finely engineered work of precision. 500 yards w/ iron sights easy
inside of 300yrd ill take the ak-47, no brainer!!!!!! +unstoppable reliability;) if i was trying to reach out and touch somone ill take the .308 thank you! AR=FAIL!!! to much BS for me(proper barral length+twist rait+bullit waight) fuck all that. plus i alread have a mini30(yes it uses the ak's 7.62x39 round) lightly modified, shots 2'' group at 150yrds and hits man size targets out to 300yrds all day long.....
For the purpose of breaking things, I'm for 7.62X39. The material density stops it from fragmenting, thus being able to puncture a larger variety of objects. I'd recommend 5.56 for long range. If I had to recommend any cartridge though, I'd go for a much stronger round like .30-06, .270, or .308, with my favorite round being .375 H&H magnum.
mikeb1444 35 minutes ago
basically 7.62x 39 kicks ass close range
Andylopez172285 6 days ago
I'll go with the 5.56 x 45. Who else agrees?
FlyTour69 1 week ago
I'm with the 5.56 x 45. Who agrees and who disagrees?
FlyTour69 1 week ago
They started calling them high capacity magazines when Clinton put a ten round limit on all guns.
ccsrey14 1 week ago
@ccsrey14 hillary or bill?
USMCmazac 1 week ago
@ccsrey14 Bill
ccsrey14 1 week ago
good info on both guns. you sound very educated on all of your videos. keep up the good work
dakotaluvserin 1 week ago
You are such a yankee dude, I can barely understand you
DontTreadOnMe19D 2 weeks ago
any way you can do some reviewing of the ar 15 platform chambered in 7.62x39mm with a 20in barrel?
danthehippie 2 weeks ago
id like to see the ak74 5.45 compared to the ar
androgenix 2 weeks ago
@androgenix in my opinion that would be a better rifle to compare against the AR because it is a closer related round
0vinnie9 1 week ago
Sorry but those cards were confusing at first, was "fps" for feet per second or lbs/ft? I figured it was how nutn said it verses what I saw but to me, fps = feet per second, not lbs/ft. Great vids!
dgallegos4201 2 weeks ago
My thoughts are if the military used or could use a 5.56 or .223 bullet that didn't over-penetrate ( hollow-point, soft point, etc), the noticed difference in stopping power between the two calibers would be alot smaller.
NormNip 3 weeks ago
@huntkiller. I guess it comes down to preference, accuracy over power. If someone can hit a man between 25 and 300 yards faster than he can hit you with a wall of 7.62 rounds then the 5.56 is their round of choice. If you,re in a city environment and feel you can let off a bunch of rounds and hit a man between 25 and 300 yards faster( Close quarter combat is not 300 yards) then 7.62 is your round. I am a 5.56 round, but respect the destruction the 7.62 delivers even through "car doors" - Fact
leongaines 3 weeks ago
@leongaines thats a common misconception. the 5.56 will leave a cavity many times larger than 7.62x39 in soft tissue within fragmentations velocity threshold. look at a ballistic wound profile chart. yes the 7.62x39 does a better job of defeating hard cover, but 5.56 steel core has no problem, as well as rounds like the M855A1
HunterKiller308 2 weeks ago
Guys, keep in mind, MOST gun fights our soldiers are facing in Iraq and Afganistan are within 100 Yards. Military teaches infantry to shoot 300 yards w 5.56. Anything beyond that is the job for scout snipers, many times using .308. 5.56 great round I think, for accuracy out to distance. However, 7.62 rounds WITHIN 100 YARDS can hit a driver car door, travel through the car, bust out the passenger door and hit the target hiding behind it. 5.56- accuracy; 7.62 - more stopping power
leongaines 3 weeks ago
@leongaines thats a gross over simplification
HunterKiller308 3 weeks ago
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tradbowhunter53 4 weeks ago
i hate how the 5.56 is offten under rated. the 5.56, like most high speed small caliber bullets, will fragment shortly after impact if the velocity is hight enough. about 500m (like MrDarkwolf1995 said) this fragmenting destroys a lot of tissue. the 7.62 will just pass strait thru with little to no tumble/frag. leving a clean wound. Its how that bullet reacts and dumps its energy into its target, not just how much energy it has.
youthanasia70 1 month ago
I can tell u first hand all Army Infantry guys use m4's. Only soldiers that dont leave the wire have the old m16's .Although I have seen Marine Infantry using both.
22BStan 1 month ago
nice comp, but the bullet design for the 5.56 was designed for a 20 inch barrel and data is writen for that. so unless you chronoed the 5.56 ammo out of a 16 inch barrel it would be wrong. while the AK round was designed for a 16 inch barrel.
gonzosc1 1 month ago
the marine do NOT use the m16 they use the m4 carbine i know because 5 of my techers and family friends were/are in the marines and they all say they were/are issued with the m4 carbine
tradbowhunter53 1 month ago
@tradbowhunter53 i know for a fact they still issue the m16 variant of the ar 15 platform. My best friend who was in Korea, and is now in Afghanistan was issued an M16/ with 20 inch barrel. The US Army also issues the standard, plain jane, run of the mill M16. they also issue M4's, they issue both, and much is based on the operators skills/job he or she required to complete. they also issues things like the M240/ M249's, SBR AR 15, various Springfield m21/m14 models.
horsevet20 1 month ago
@horsevet20 Im not saying that they dont still issue it in some cases, im just saying that its not the preferred assault rifle for the U.S. Military any more, they replaced it with the m4 because its lighter, better for close quarters combat(CQC) while still being able to maintain great accuracy nd reliability. It also is improved to be very reliable compared to the m16.
tradbowhunter53 1 month ago
@tradbowhunter53 most marines are issued m16's sorry bud. ur quite mistaken. there even trained in m16's in basic almost exclusively (infantry gets m4's same as army)
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tradbowhunter53 4 weeks ago
@slcslobalt im sorry i did not mean to say that they are completely issued with the m4 BUT the m16 has started being replaced by the m4 for the us marines in 2010 and will be completely replaced by the end of 2012 like the army already has. a good family friend of mine that was in the marines (not infantry or army) told me this and he told me that he was trained with and was issued the m4 when he was deployed overseas. im not trying to be disrespectful but i know this personaly.
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tradbowhunter53 1 month ago
The accuracy of the AK is based mostly on what is needed. There was a study done (can't remember if it was before or after the AK's development) that said that the majority of engagements occurred within 300 m. The design was during a time that combat optics were mostly non-existent and the individual soldier had only iron sights. Soldiers would also be receiving support from MGs, DMRs, and vehicles, filling the AK's range deficiency. As an opticless weapon, I give it to the AK. With optics, AR.
lulzfarmer 1 month ago
ar or m4s were designed to fit better through doors and still use the m16 round to save cost. the ak was made to dilliver a more powerfull automatic round. the ar will always be more accurate and the ak will always be more powerfull at close range. i've shot thousands of rounds out of both the m4 and the m16 and the m16 is far more accurate but less mobile and mobility is a huge factor when riding in trucks. the m249 with optional short barrel actually compares best to an ak because of full auto
allenhane 1 month ago
@allenhane wrong, an AK round will go straigth through you, a 5.56 will fragment inside you, creating greater cavitation and multiple wound tracks, especially at close range
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
so if I got a ak47 chambered in 5.56 I could have comparable ballistic results
toddbunn 1 month ago
@toddbunn terminal ballistics yes, as long as the barrels are the same length
accuracy no, the AR is a far more accurate platform
AKs in 5.56/5.45 are 4 to 3 MOA
ARs are 1 MOA- 0.5 MOA
thats a big differance
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
7.62x39 has shit ballistics, wound profiling and transfer of energy
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
7:45 Damn bro Thats what my cabinet needs to look like
lancasterpremium 1 month ago
sorry , but the russian lead will win
and it is cheap and easy to get anywhere on planet
real AK is the most reliable , high lead delivery machine
all this balistic talk is worth shit when it comes to real life
just check at Aimammo.com
doktorstolat 1 month ago
@doktorstolat your a dumbass
russian lead is shit corrosive garbage
"real" AK is a crude bullet hose next to the AR
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@HunterKiller308
still it is cheaper to shoot and with full auto the amount of lead is what does the job
doktorstolat 1 month ago
@doktorstolat thats exactly why i have a 5.45 upper for my AR15, it has a piston system so its really reasy to clean after shooting all that 7n6 corrosive shit with my Slide Fire bump stock
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
Your ballistc are way off
TheCaptonZ 2 months ago
@TheCaptonZ no, actually they are spot on.
differant loadings and barrel lengths will give you differant ballistics
HunterKiller308 2 months ago
Again great video. I liked the video. Theres alot of people not around anymroe because of these two specific rounds. Wish I knew the ballistics of the new US M885A1 5.56x45 EPR
HighSpeedPFC 2 months ago
Where I am located, its almost impossible to find anything but mil surplus 7.62x39mm. It is also almost impossible to find 5.56NATO... So the comparison for me would be a mil spec round vs a civilian round. I am sure many others are in my boat as well. I prefer mil spec rounds because of the pricing and ability to buy in tins or small crates.
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AK47 wins at close to mid range
AR15 wins at mid to long range
AK74 wins if you want a SBR
i like 20''-24''inch free floated heavy match grade barrels barrels on my ARs and folding stocks on my AKs
APPLICATION IS EVERYTHING!!!
MrDarkwolf1995 2 months ago
Nutnfancy
Keep the numbers metric... Mitres /sec
baldbollocks 2 months ago
The Hague Conventions (which we never signed by the way) are what delt with the use of expanding or flattening bullets. It's under Decleration III. And it only applies when two powers who signed the convention are fighting. If one of the powers brings in another country to fight with them that didn't sign the document it becomes null. We follow it because we are the "good guys". IMO we should use whatever is the most effective.
jeepinbanditrider 2 months ago
@jeepinbanditrider Well that's why the MK318 SOST (OTM) round was developed.. Special forces use it in SBR's, and the Marines are adopting it to supplement their standard M855 round. Everybody but the Army seems to want it.. Funny how they're just BTHP rounds that are renamed to "abide" by the Hague Convention. That crap is expensive though, over 2x the price of M193 or M855 rounds (at least for civilians)
Cosmo1093 1 month ago
I have been looking in to 20" barrels for my ar now their are a few differences like 1/7, 1/8, and 1/9 twist which would be ideal for best accuracy if setting up a distance ar.
acevoodoo 2 months ago
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paintch3ck 2 months ago
@paintch3ck Sorry to say your thinking was wrong here, 1/9 rate of twist means the bullet rotates 1 turn in 9 inches of the barrel lenght .
1/7 rate of twist means the bullet rotates 1 turn for every 7 inches of barrel lengh .
Rate of twiste in rifling has absolutly no affect on range a bullet will travel .
I hope this helps you in understand barrels and rate of twist for bullet weights .
If you want the best AR's they are custom made with custom made barrels.
Hincesti07 2 months ago
@Hincesti07 simply a correction from my phone i typed 1/7 but it autocorrected and put 1/9 for whatever reason i dont know. i know tons about ar10's and ar15's i have 4 ar15's only 1 of them isnt modified
paintch3ck 2 months ago
@acevoodoo This all depend on bullet weight you want to use, rate of twist is regulated to bullet weight not just for accuacry with all weights of bullets.
When you see 1/7 that means the bullet rotates 1 turn for every 7 inches of the barrel.
1/7 is for heavy bullets as is 1/8, 1/9 does well with most bullets but can loose some stalbility with 70 grain bullets and up in weight weights .
Remember the lower the number in rate of twist the heavier the bullet you may use.
Hincesti07 2 months ago
7:54 Read my mind
smorz17 2 months ago
I once saw an inline 100 round mag (ie not a drum) for an AK at an R&K Gun show that extended all the way to the muzzle and had a hook that went over the barrel. That has got to be so akward to hold.
logipi79 3 months ago
one of the best video.good job men
arianis99 3 months ago
@sklipknot98 okay... but that didn't really seem like a joke to me
potatojuice321 3 months ago
Sooo dragged out but very informative thanks!
weslegna 3 months ago
I want to build my own AR 15,but I don't know how long my handgaurds should be.i want to have the carry handle sight on my AR so I need some room for that.I was thinking about a 12.5" or 14.5" barrel.Any advice for a newbie??
KennyKrabbs 3 months ago
@KennyKrabbs Try M&A Parts. They will talk to you about your handguard and other questions and sell entire kits (minus the lower of course) in all different configs and barrel types. At least they used to and the parts are the same name brand builders buy. I got my 20inch stainless steel AR kit from them with some fancy accesories, put it together and have no problems with it. Some short barrel lengths might be illegal in your area but for practical sakes also I would go with a longer barrel.
logipi79 3 months ago
@logipi79 Thanks man, I'll Check it out!
KennyKrabbs 3 months ago
@KennyKrabbs You should know if you build an AR with a 12.5 or 14.5 barrel you must apply to the ATF and have a police department sign off on your paper work for the license for a short barrel weapon, do you really want to do this then make your self open to the ATF and local Police ?
Hincesti07 2 months ago
@Hincesti07 Yeah..I thinks I'll just get a 16" AR!Thanks for the comment
KennyKrabbs 2 months ago
@KennyKrabbs 16'' ARs and M4s have shit ballistic next to a 20'' or 24''
a standard 55gr FMJ needs about to be traveling at about 1200 fps to fragment, thats only about 150 yards out of a 16'' barrel of course you go with higher grain shit and you get greater distance. that same 55gr will fragment out to 500 meters with a 20'' barrel
EVER WONDER WHY THE MARINES STILL USE FULL LENGTH M16'S?
THATS WHY!
MrDarkwolf1995 2 months ago 13
@MrDarkwolf1995 Okay,thanks for the reply!Learning new things every day!haha
KennyKrabbs 2 months ago
@MrDarkwolf1995 very well said
HunterKiller308 2 months ago
@KennyKrabbs a 20'' would give you far better ballistic preformance.
HunterKiller308 2 months ago
The 7.62 round does better out of a longer barrel like a sks.
nebulaunfolding 3 months ago
AK -47the best weapon in the world
zzvalgass 3 months ago
He said I'm sorry for not using the metric system. If anything I would be saying get the fuck over it. Were America the world revolves around us not the other way around
AssassinSteven 3 months ago
@AssassinSteven Typical Amerikwan chauvinism
Catalysis24 3 months ago
@AssassinSteven that is exactly what i hate in americans, you douches think that you're the center of the world!
potatojuice321 3 months ago
@potatojuice321 You're too stupid to realize that was a joke.
Slipknot808 3 months ago
@potatojuice321 And what country in the world does every foreign knuckle heads like you all wish to move to ?
Its the United States which I'm beting your just dreaming to immagrate to New York to live the easy life of free immagrant government hand outs, like your own free convientent 7-11 shopping mart and free money every month because your a immagrant living off American tax payer money !
Hincesti07 2 months ago
@Hincesti07 i'm very happy to live in finland... i don't really care too much about america... and we also hate immigrants moving to finland, living with finnish people's money. isn't it fair that the government makes us pay to raping and murdering niggers?
potatojuice321 2 months ago
@potatojuice321 Well we at least agree about the Niggers !
Hincesti07 2 months ago
@AssassinSteven lol win a war on your own first
Tonyvsa96 3 months ago 2
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Is this ballistic data taken by shooting from these guns?
I haven't heard from you (maybe I was not enough attentive), that ballistics depends not only on round itself, but also on barrel (=gun itself), so if you give advices for buyers, you should notice, that they need test each gun for accuracy very carefully
VitILS 4 months ago
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VitILS 4 months ago
Narcos in Mexico prefer the AK-47 vs Military and Federal Police's AR-15. Is it reason why more narcos than federal forces die when they face to shot due to better accuracy and scope of AR-15's???
bicimario 4 months ago
@bicimario
Or the fact that the Feds are actually you know...Trained?
kop4321 4 months ago
@bicimario now the military and federal police are changing foreign rifles for a mexican named fx 05 i. it is a mexican rifle with similar shape to a g 36
SuperHectortilla 4 months ago
@SuperHectortilla Yeah in fact in the last independence parade in Mexico City a TV commentator talked about those Mexican rifles, but do you think they prefer to manufacture their own rifles because of lower expenses or because ths fx 05 has new and better features?. by the way, what ammo do they shoot?
bicimario 4 months ago
@bicimario they shoot 5.56 and it is mainly because the g36 are to expensive , now they can get more rifles more easily and with a lower price ( fx05)
SuperHectortilla 4 months ago
I agree with this very much. The AK is too often labelled as being the high "damage" type of gun. The fact is a bullet is a bullet and 5mm type bullets happen to be better in the grand scheme.
I do wish you mentioned that many, if not most, AK variants were made to use the 5mm types of ammo for these very reasons in the video. At least the comparison was in the ammo itself and not the guns, so that does help even out the argument.
7graywolf7 4 months ago
@7graywolf7 Better. That's subjective. The 5.56x45 is very limited in bullet weight. The projectile is more easily influenced by wind. It's more easily deflected by brush, and not as effective against barriers. The round arguebally lacks lethality. There are many reports of the round doing very minimal wounds, rather then devastating.
esh325 4 months ago
Panther makes a .308 with the M16 or AR15 platform. My opinion is if we would have stuck with the M14 we would have saved a lot of ammo & if they would have developed the M16 around the .308 round the AK 47 would have never compared to it . And we still could have made a shorter polymer stock version that would have been far superior to either of the M16 or the AK 47. To me it would have struck fear into every enemy at the receiving end.
tyrannynotever 4 months ago
The 5.56X45mm is a fragmentation round. If it doesn't have enough velocity, it will go straight through just like the 7.62X39mm. Now the 5.45X39mm is a tumbler, because it is unstable.
tukcdohman 4 months ago
very informative good job
itlivesin 4 months ago
1 of these rifles is great for unskilled guerilla/militant/hastily trained conscript. The other rifle is the means for a highly skilled professional shooter i.e. warfighters & LEO to maximize his/ her skills. Basically it's a tractor vs a formula 1 car.
oeyesea 4 months ago
@oeyesea I am more efficient with my AK at 300 yards in and 900 yards in with my PSL than I am with my AR15, and I am trained in both.
BabsControl 4 months ago
Yeah Obama has not touched the subject. He is a dem, and a lib, but really the hype is over stated on the gun control issue. The biggest reason ammo is more expensive is because we have 2 wars suckin up the ammo!
nmhornd 4 months ago
@nmhornd 2 wars? I thought it was just Afghanistan.
cdwb88 4 months ago
@cdwb88 we still have about 50,000 troops and "security forces" (private contractors, they need ammo too) in Iraq.
nmhornd 4 months ago
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fragmeister2000 4 months ago
LOL @ obama comment
Omone 4 months ago 9
we may want to start thinking more like the israelis,galil,steal the best of both worlds,rather than fall in love w/ one,warts & all (7 micro locking lugs/recesses,caked by the mid-barrel carbon-blast?krikey)
also,i think geneva conv outlaws exposed lead only (as softnose was the hollowpoint of that day),& so would'nt prohibit solidcopper hollowpoints
also,what about offcentering noses w/ a file or the sidewalk?i heard the israelis have done that for decades;the ak74/5.45R tumbles to the max
aptcmpasion 4 months ago
I know this video was made in 2009, but even then, I was shooting 69-75gr soft points/hollow points out of my AR-15. Granted, I went out of my way to obtain a 1:7 twist rate quality barrel. GREAT video, but, even in 2009, I don't know any of my shooting buddies that load a 55gr FMJ when they care about ballistic performance. This is not criticism just an observation about the "average" .223/5.56 cartridge that most people I personally know use :)
mattman704 4 months ago
In the Finnish forest most antagonists will be using the same 7,62x39R caliber for some weird reason dating back to WW2. And a heavier round just works better in a dense forest. :)
KekkonenKalasti 4 months ago
@KekkonenKalasti 7.62x54R
BigTuna762 4 months ago
I still like the 5.56 ammo because I can carry more.
SuperRip7 4 months ago
"about..." sir, there is no "about in marksmanship
TyrantChimera 4 months ago
there is no one better than the other they are 2 completly different loads for different uses
caseyray33 5 months ago in playlist AR-15
Inter Ordinance CASAR or Smith & Wesson M&P 15 is my question...
AceHound46 5 months ago
this isn't right, the AR-15 should be compared with the 74 not 47 because look at the production date
TheSpecOpsAirsoft1 5 months ago
@TheSpecOpsAirsoft1 the 74 uses 5.45 x39 while the 47 uses 7.62 x39.
every ak in 7.62x39 is called a 47
choopdewoot 5 months ago
@TheSpecOpsAirsoft1 Their the same gun except the flash hider and ammo
nathanial41 5 months ago
"if i have an icepick, and i stab a... a watermelon..." you would make a great science teacher
gotstabbedbyalex123 5 months ago
I'd like to talk about the controversy mentioned briefly here concerning Wounding the Enemy and Killing the enemy. I know I may catch some flack for saying this, but I do agree that in a military battlefield situation, evacuating multiple enemy soldiers vs killing one of them is greatly advantageous. Now, modern warfare does not always allow for this, as terrorists often can act without regard to their comrades, but as an overall strategy, it is one that I proudly support.
twentyninerooks 5 months ago
I knew nothing about any gun, now I understand what the ballistics mean, I understand the gradients, now I feel like I know something and this is just the 2nd video, Can I please rate this video? lol
sk8m4f14 5 months ago
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nutnfancy is the best
weerasak012 5 months ago
u wouldnt wanna stand in front of me with a 9mil let alone a 5.56 77 grain.
rossimarsh 5 months ago
i think you ment 6.5 grendal not 6.5
liberalprisoner 5 months ago
i think you ment 6.5 grendal
liberalprisoner 5 months ago
@moshnet1 The M855 is a 62 grain FMJ not a 190 grain FMJ.
matthewlhouser 5 months ago
Or How about the Magpaul Masada(ACR) could you do a video about that gun?
TheNorwiegenAmerican 5 months ago
hey nutn i got a question, are the 5.56 and 223 EXACTLY the same like you can mix and match or is there a very slight difference?
juggernautiscool 6 months ago
@juggernautiscool
you can mix and match, any 223 rifle will fire 5.56.
marinedddrrr 6 months ago
@marinedddrrr awsome, thanks
juggernautiscool 5 months ago
@marinedddrrr Wrong.... The 5.56 is slightly thicker thus increasing the pressure the round will cause in the chamber. While close, they are not the same round. Before you go posting on youtube that you can fire a 5.56 through a .223 you should probably google SAAMI specs for both rounds and that will prove what Im saying if you dont believe me. While yes you can fire 5.56 through a .223 its is STRONGLY discouraged. It only takes one round to blow in the chamber to fuck your day up.
topher81807 5 months ago
@marinedddrrr That's not safe though...
MajorMalphunction 5 months ago
@juggernautiscool There are differences. You CAN NOT use 5.56 in a gun chambered for .223. This can cause the gun to explode and cause serious injury. There are several factors that are to complex to go into here but it is not safe to use 5.56 in a gun made for .223.
shananagans5 5 months ago
AK is better unless u have an immaculate logistics and support. AR is good for military. bad for me.
subzerofication 6 months ago
Don't use metal jackets on the 5.56, the end result will be much more devastating since it has a high tendency of fragmenting.
ApocalypticMike 6 months ago
and before I go maybe its time to educate you on another thing. the marines still use those old rifles becouse they get the old hand me downs from the army, and the army gets all the new updated equipment. Its not fair and I hate that we dont all get the same equipment but thats just how it is. you sir need to learn what the hell it is your talking about before you open your mouth.
mattc1683 6 months ago in playlist AR-15
wow man you need to look at your own info, or info of someone who knows what there doing. the 5.56 is a harder hitting round. it makes more energy on impact than the 7.62 weather you or anyone else likes it that is the facts. more impact energy is a harder hit.
mattc1683 6 months ago in playlist AR-15
Ah Ha ha....Sorry European Buddies We Don't Do The Metric System...
catfood440 6 months ago
.223 is just a glorafied .22.
but .223 costs more (i dont have an exact number) than .22
masterman467 6 months ago
17:34 so true!
fontanaman13 6 months ago
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fontanaman13 6 months ago
what the hell is wrong with this guy like we get it, we get u talk alot but i wana see some AK47 n AR15 shooting like holy shit bro FIRE SOME WEPONS
randomfathotdog 6 months ago
with all due respect, it's 6.5 Grendal.
JBLyon 6 months ago
big factor is wound cavity and damage dealt. When you study the 7.62X39mm round, it does better forcing through heavy objects many times over a 5.56mm, however the 762x39mm round goes into a soft target and often out very clean. The 5.56 does massive damage, even the size of soft balls when it exits.
When you read a boo called reflections of a warrior by medal of honor winner frank D miller, he was hit 3 times by an AK. took one in the chest. He swears had it been a 5.56, he would be dead.
dialn911 6 months ago
@dialn911 The 5.56x45 can end up doing as much as a .22 LR if it doesn't have enough velocity.David Petraeus got shot in the chest with a M16 and survived.
esh325 4 months ago
if you get the chance go rabbit hunting with the ar and the ak when you hit the rabbit it destroys it with both rounds the ar cuts it open and the ak knocks it down. Regardless if you take either of these to the chest your ganna die haha.
dtfdtf06 6 months ago
Cool Vid on the stats.
profsat5 6 months ago
during my time over seas i had the experince of getting hit by a 7.62x39 and i have also seen the differences of the power it holds in close range having said that, it just doesn't go where you want it to after about 150 yards, plane and simple further more the 5.56 round is simply to small it cant go threw mud walls which became a huge problem in towns full of mud buildings. it also more times then not takes more then one round to take a target down.
leoarmy88 6 months ago
Just a thought, wouldn't a .243 Winchester with 85 or 100 grain bullet work great?
foofightersrule100 6 months ago
@foofightersrule100 YES they make ar's in .243 and theyre nasty!!
dtfdtf06 6 months ago
you could host your own radio show nut your a great commentator
darksamuari 6 months ago
but wouldn't changing round ssizes on the AK be as simple as a change of Bolt, Return Spring, Barrel, And Magazine? Or am i trippin?
SonyFoLife 6 months ago
Hallo, wich ammo brand you prefer? can you make a review about diffrent ammo brands?
Messerschmitt1981 6 months ago
i would rather not get shot by any caliber bullet.
maggot457 6 months ago
You should look into the 6.5mm grendel, it overpowers the 6.8 SPC in many aspects - Has virtually the same kinetic energy (more than the 6.8 at 200 yards +), slightly less speed at ranges of 0 - 150 yards but is able to retain speed and bullet trajectory more constant up to significantly longer ranges and is still supersonic up to 1000 yards.
porrsmurfen 6 months ago
he should include if its a 1:9 or a 1:7 twist
kolinmartz 6 months ago
good quote here... "all i need to know.. is where they areeeee.. ;)" .... YEAHHHHHH
yougotkained 7 months ago
@yougotkained Hell yea, I would so marry Vasquez!
srj1934 6 months ago
@srj1934 haha(:
yougotkained 6 months ago
@yougotkained Any lady who can pull-up for pull-up with me is one after my own heart.
srj1934 6 months ago
Dude love all your videos, just bought a Stag AR-15 stripped lower, can't wait to start the build. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into things.
lilcritchy 7 months ago 14
@lilcritchy Thank you for watching and commenting, critchy. -- Veri (Nutn's sister)
nutnfancy 7 months ago
@ Equal firepower I disagree: Try shoot an AK47 at the same RPM as an AR15 and be as accurate as the AR with the AK, why soo hard? Answer: recoil ;)
HxMstrzforu 7 months ago
@HxMstrzforu
Why are you comparing the 47 and the AR, the AK74 and the AR are most alike to compare, the recoil on an AK74 feels like a .117 air rifle.
RyanR3volution 7 months ago
@RyanR3volution
That observation is correct but my comment was directed to what Nutnfancy said about the fire power is equal (between the two) but I think it's easier to use that fire power more accurately (in full/semi auto) with an AR15 than an AK47 and therefore should the AR come up on top in that subject.
I would anyways like to see that comparison taht you and others are suggesting, ;)
HxMstrzforu 7 months ago
ya if u can make a video of the ak74 and the AR that whould be awsome..because the 74 and the AR have much more in common and whould have alot more topics to contrast with eachother> THanx
ianchesney 7 months ago
First love the vids BUT dude you used junk amm for the AK I know people say wolf is junk but it hits alot harder and cones in hollows with also still being sleel lined so hitting say a person behind a wall is no problem.2 and this is the real ? if the 556 is so good why are they using a bigger round makes no sence ???
snipervictim 7 months ago
But in Florida laws you can go hunting with a SKS (7.62x39) but is not legal to go hunting with a 223 for beein unefficient at stopping game.
fireline6 7 months ago
i watched the entire series in one night :D great job, very good detail
tootter52 7 months ago
at about the 6 minute mark u mention how the m16 has more energy at 25 yards but the AK actually does more damage. Its physics, the 5.56 round is zipping so fast and has so much less mass/width than the ak, that less energy is going to dissipate into the object that is hit. the ak, is going so much slower that it transfers more energy into the object hit at closer rounds
goalieslayer 7 months ago
hey did you use missionspec camo to do your durocoat. in murrary utah. cuz im in west valley ut and i want to do a digital pattern in desert colors
Goldbeed12 8 months ago
The hague convention outlaws hollow points not geneva. Geneva does not touch on small arms ammunition.
saari09 8 months ago
The huge air bubble in the narrow tip of wolf 7.62x39mm will generally promises consistent yawing with a unjacketed base also there seems to be more cheap HP's loaded in still for 7.62x39mm. The standard 55 fmj grain 5.56 NATO also tumbles very well and is available from cheap steel case ammo companies like Tul, Grizzly, and Wolf ammo with the air pocket in nose and a hollow base.(Not that a 5.56 needs help tumbling). Also I can't wait to get some Hornady Steel Match loaded with V-max ammo.
smartguy104 8 months ago
The only reason why I shoot the AK round or 7.62x39mm is because its illegal to hunt with a 223 or 5.56. I would really like it if they would lift some of the caliber restrictions where I live. Also the AK round seems to penetrate more then the 5.56 but the 5.56 tumbles (or Yaws) better in fmj ammo and is superior at close ranges in terms of wound channels and much easier to place at longer ranges.
smartguy104 8 months ago
Because of its high velocity and lighter round the .223 cal or 5.56 mm is that the bullet will start to tumble as it enters the body so that the entry wound is small and the exit wound is very large. It could potentially remove an arm....It is a very devastating round. The down side is that it could be easily stopped by body armor or vehicle doors...
TampaCary 8 months ago
i think on the ballistics you used a 20in or longer, barrel for the 5.56....not many people use a long barrel on there ar's... now.with a 16in barrel the 223 is a whole different story...and a lot less energy then what you have on your video...just helping others
TRUTHandANSWERS 8 months ago
Loving the videos, just note that it is the Hague Convention 1899 which bans the military use of expanding ammo bellow the calibre of 40mm, not the Geneva Convention.
aransingh 8 months ago
I can hit a torso sized target all day long without a scope at 500 yards without even hardly trying. I can't say that for the AK. However, the AK is a good "end of the world" weapon because it can take so much abuse and neglect and still function. It does have a take down advantage w/ the bigger projectile but what good is that if you can't hit your enemy because there is medium wind and he is 350 yards away ? Again, both excellent weapons built for different objectives.
ptrosclair1775 8 months ago
No matter how much data you throw at it, it's a ridiculous question to begin with. It's like asking "which is better, a Ford F-150 or a Ferrari ?" It's a stupid question because they are so completely different and are designed with different objectives. An AK is designed so that a 12 year old can pick it up and hit something with it at 100 to 200 yards and rarely if ever clean it. It is built for abuse and neglect. An AR 15 is a finely engineered work of precision. 500 yards w/ iron sights easy
ptrosclair1775 8 months ago
@jordandavis1997 a widowmaker is a term that can be used for any firearm. I recall it being coined in old western classics.
MiThThArEeL 8 months ago
why debate? i think both would get the job done. if you have any doubt with either gun or caliber, get a m1a in 308 and cover your bases.
Hip48Xn3 8 months ago
imperial is shitt. 12in in a foot and 3feet in a yard aproks.
and nice vids by the way
surplusdriller 8 months ago
inside of 300yrd ill take the ak-47, no brainer!!!!!! +unstoppable reliability;) if i was trying to reach out and touch somone ill take the .308 thank you! AR=FAIL!!! to much BS for me(proper barral length+twist rait+bullit waight) fuck all that. plus i alread have a mini30(yes it uses the ak's 7.62x39 round) lightly modified, shots 2'' group at 150yrds and hits man size targets out to 300yrds all day long.....
mini30mach 8 months ago
What's a Civilian Sheep Dog?
lifesaucks6 8 months ago
@lifesaucks6 Look it up
OhDarnIWin 8 months ago
The 7.62x39 mm is a lot slower than the 5.56x45 mm!
Range, accuracy and penetration are what really matter!
rebelq1 8 months ago
My favorite AR-15 round is the .308, god bless DPMS firearms!
BDSMmask 8 months ago