Lost Arts Part 7: 20 Gauge Waxers and Long term Wax Slug Storage

[deltaomegaable]

holy shit. one of my best buds has a bolt action 20 just like that. he still hasent let me shoot it yet :(

[teb0atoz]

was tha shotgun smooth bore or riffled. I have a mossberg 20 that is rifled.  I am assuming this would not be safe to do with my shorgun. Thanks for the info.

[kduck1009]

What's the point of a wax slug? If the manufactured slug has more power than why stick with that? I'm not being sarcastic.

[veldshpay420]

@kduck1009 about 5 times less expensive.... slugs are about 1 dollar a piece. Wax slugs cost about 15-25 cents to produce each, so it is a much more cost effective alternative to practice with a form of slug, and to see what kind of damage it can do.

[rajvader]

@kduck1009 There could come a time when you can't buy proper slugs. Then cut shells and waxers become a handy thing to know how to do.

[mikeb1444]

I have some old shotgun shells. Winchester. The box is shiny and says "New, plastic shell" Any idea on how old they are?

[kweek45]

@mikeb1444 pre-60's

[heckathornmike86]

hay i mad 6 12ga ones and only 5 went off. but the 5 was the bust i shot

[CelticODST]

would the wax's work for magnum gauges?

[trev0666]

This guy and FPS Russia should do a battle.

[fuvkyougoogification]

ronpaul 2012!!!!!!

[jossi166]

It would be awesome to see these waxslugs in ballistics gel! I wonder if it would split up or remain in one piece.

[Stigstigster]

@jossi166 It would be cool to test that. One thing looks certain is that it looks entirely able to make a potentially lethal wound. It has the energy that's for sure.

[SpanishBogatyr]

Whats the name of the weapon? i dont speak so much english sorry.

[AmericaStandsStrong1]

@SpanishBogatyr Mossberg.

[Thorbob57]

Ya know I never will understand some people who wanna know if you can cycle these after ya tell them not to and they still want to. Kinda like me telling my teenage friend George not to poke the barrel tip of the gun in the water when he saw a catfish swimming in the creek. He did it anyway and pulled the trigger to boot! It split the shotgun in half! And his dad tanned his hide. When he says don't cycle them but shot as singles. He means it!. Luckly George is still alive. Darwin I guess...?

[brainplay]

Those shells look like they have some serious power. But is there any chance of ever doing a gelatin test? Would like to know if this is going to hit them like a hammer and not penetrate or blow holes in them.

[MrTahoe32]

Can waxer shells be crimped or would the wad have problems exiting the shell.

[SmoovSnag]

Cut shells and waxers are for zombies !!!

[locknloadvideo]

Way to flip me off barry.

[pyrotek85]

Yeah I'm not sure why some discredit 20ga shotguns, it's not that they're weak, 12ga is just stronger. I think they're a good balance between recoil and power personally.

[celestialobserver]

Why doesn't Barry ever use hearing protection? Not a complaint, just curiosity.

[Lonewolf6565]

@celestialobserver probably already half deaf

[rdnk72182]

i have a couple quick questions iraqveteran will the shells cycle through my pump action shotguns? is there any danger shooting them out of choked barrels

[RAHMX145]

@rdnk72182 Cut shells will not cycle properly.

[rdnk72182]

@RAHMX145 thank you rahmx145, i'm not concerned about the cut shell's, i am about the wax slugs though.

[flamedrag18]

@rdnk72182 neither will safely cycle since the process of making them weakens the shell's integrity. the cut shell will likely break in half in the action while you pump to chamber the shell and the wax slugs can be crushed during the same process since the crimp would usually protect it from this. as for chokes, no problems for either.

[76malibuman]

how bout the ol' non lethal oatmeal load?

[Five00700]

O'doyle rules. & so do your videos.

[Thorbob57]

So where's the video showing the young folks how to make the wax slug? We were doing these a long time ago.

[Fordfanforlife777]

Saw a .410 bolt action the other day. was very cool looking. Almost bought it too.

[EFG44]

That has got to be the most extraordinary shotgun i've ever seen.

[Jesses001]

@EFG44 They used to be very common actually, but fell out of fashion and the auto loaders and pump actions took over. You can still get these on the used market though if you really want one.

[EFG44]

@Jesses001I'm an Australian in melbourne, so pump shotguns aren't allowed, and auto loaders are the price of a small car, How much did that shotgun set you back?

[Jesses001]

@EFG44 Oh, Australian...good luck with those gun laws. Anyway, I bought two bolt action shotguns with box detachable mags, 18" barrels. One 12Ga for $105 and a 20Ga for $75. That is in the US though. They are cheap here because there is not a large demand for them. A double barrel barrel of some kind may be a good option for you as well.

[mjr350]

@EFG44 Don't forget primary producers with a Category C licence. They can own pump action shotguns and pump action centrefires.

[EFG44]

@mjr350 Not in victoria, their attitude is, why need a pump shotgun when a double barrel does the same job? It's bullshit because I love pump shotguns ;_;

[gamma420]

I have a old Hawthorne m149. It was the very first gun i shot( about 8 yrs old). I just need to find a new stock :(

[AmericaStandsStrong1]

What's more accurate, a cutshell or a waxslug?

[Iraqveteran8888]

@AmericaStandsStrong1 Waxers are more accurate.

[njmvermont]

@AmericaStandsStrong1 wax slug. and cutshells shouldn't be used unless in an emergency because they have to squeeze past the chamber.

[georgeevans18]

poor milk jugs

[SinghofKings]

Damn man those act like frag round in the milk cartons!!!

[greedkiller]

A bolt action shotgun man that is awesome. Didn't know they made such fun guns.

[SinghofKings]

@greedkiller I've got an H&R 16 gauge bolt action from the late thirties. I love it. Don't even want another shot gun!

[deeisneat]

so what's the point of a wax slug? cheaper reloading?

[FurchtsameTraume]

@deeisneat

lets one turn a game load into a slug, if one needed. Same with cutshells..

If I knew I was gunna need a slug, and didn't have any, a wax-slug would be my go-to.

If I was out-and-about, and only had gameloads, a cutshell will do in a pinch, and only takes a jiffy to do.

[Bathory20Seven]

@deeisneat Slugs, when bought usually around $1 each, you can make 25 wax slugs for around $7.

[quimbyt]

I have a J.C. Higgens bolt action shotgun that Sears sold during the 1950s. I inherited it.

[therealcarbine15]

you guys have the most fun!

[darbycrash55]

I wish I could go out in January with a tee shirt and jeans on and shoot.

[coa4auto]

Ballistics Gel PLEASE!!!! 12 gauge wax slugs..

[aiko48]

I own this same gun and its amazing, after i put in a little work restoring it. and i only payed 100 bucks for mine from a good friend. such a fun gun.

[cayochr]

My grandfather has a stevens bolt action .410. The only problem is when you shoot it the spring tube comes out. The little nub on it that locks it in is in good shape as is the slot it fits it. Any ideas how to correct this problem? Thanks and thanks for making these entertaining and educational videos

[monsterman27]

ive got many deer with a 20 gauge, many rabbit, squrrel, and doves. Pretty much anythinng a 12 can do a 20 can do just about as good

[ultimatehistorybuff1]

P.S. - u r going to have to use a dowel to remove spent hulls! Just fyi! Haha!

-ultimate

[ultimatehistorybuff1]

Hey iraqvet! I love the lost arts and expediant shot shell vids! I myself have loads of (safe) fun with expediant shells. Recently i was thinking what to do with a few 16ga shells that had no box and where at the moment useless as my model 12 16ga is OUt of action. I thought about how to use it in a 1913 vintage 12ga stevens single shot w/full choke. Answer, Duck Tape!!! Wrap the sucker up and stick her in flush to the ejector and snap her shut! Boom! Patterned beautifuly too!!! Maby u can try

[AngeredKabar]

Savage just came out with a line of some nice looking slug guns.

[Chris090883]

I've been trying to pick up some bolt actions but the one caliber I want no one seems to have I'm looking for one chambered in 308 Winchester, but I'm looking for an older one and not a newer one.

[109268]

@Chris090883

That's because 308 winchester is a newer cartridge.You're not gonna find one that's made before 1952, because that's when the cartridge was introduced. Just pick up a 30-06 if you're looking for something with more age on it.

[Chris090883]

@109268 Yea I know about the dating on the cartridge, I'm more or less looking for a older bolt action from the 60's to the late 70's not something brand new out of the box. I've got a few 30-06, got a few other bolt actions as well. But I like newer weapons don't get me wrong, but theres something that the older bolt actions that can't be beat.

[shaunpisk]

My first gun was a bolt action Mossberg in .410. Sucker has a box magazine!

[umulius71]

I loaded one 12ga with rolled up VHS tape , Paperwad almost on topp, and wax.

The VHS tape was moulded in the wax so it got pulled out...

It went not so far, but alittle confetti effect :)

[thegreatsamon]

nice gun, the only bolt action shotgun I've seen was a .410 webely and it was a nice little gun. didn't get to shoot it though. are wax slugs and cut shells particularly lethal? will they penetrate a persons body etc?

[bf2lover42]

@thegreatsamon The wax's purpose is to hold the lead together during flight. When a wax slug impacts a target, the pellets "collide" with each other and share the kinetic energy of the slug by themselves.

This leads to them spreading after penetration. Think of a "improvised" Glaser Safety bullet.

[GoGreenMan]

How in the world have you not shot thoes shells in the last 15 yrs?

[scooby311]

can the wax slugs be used as a less leathal option?

i.e just load the wax and not the bb's

[DaytonaRoadster]

@scooby311 much better off using beanbags, those wax ones would still probably waste ya

[bf2lover42]

@scooby311 You would have to lower the amount of powder in the shell because in short range the wad and wax would punch into skin.

If you're planning on using it, just don't aim at humans. Creating less than lethal loads usually end up with charges of "malicious intent" instead of being considered "self-defense"

[hypertensionist]

What kind of steel are you shooting? The reason I ask is because of the close range at which you are shooting with the traditional 20 ga. slugs. If i remember correctly even with AR500 plates it is not suggested to shoot them with slugs at close range. Maybe I'm wrong.

[poppopscarvinshop]

My Dad Gave Me A 20 Gauge Pump Mossberg for My 16th Birthday in 1976. I Still Love That Gun!

[Solingen1000]

I traded for a 870 20 gauge yesterday...good little home defender IMHO.

[williamED15]

A bolt shotgun, learn something new

[jerseyemt]

@williamED15 Yeah, you don't come across bolt-action shotguns all that often. It's interesting that pump-action rifles are rare and pump-action shotguns are common, but bolt-action rifles are common and bolt-action shotguns are rare.

Both systems (as well as the lever-action) work just fine in either type of firearm.

[AK107DX]

Wax slugs have a strange report.

[1337Leva]

can you make a tutorial on how to make these?

[GHDEFIANT]

@1337Leva They already did, go through Iraqveteran uploaded videos

[naterichardson101]

@1337Leva they already have vids how to make wax shells

[Solingen1000]

@1337Leva they did

[2ndadmendmutt]

best house gun i ever saw was a 20g with number four turkey loads. was light easy to handle and hit damn hard at "inside the house" distance.

[jerseyemt]

@2ndadmendmutt Agreed. 20 gauge shotguns are plenty effective for home defense. About 2/3 the power of a 12 gauge but only about half the recoil.

Both myself and my girlfriend can handle my Mossberg 12 gauge pump just fine. I did have to cut the stock down an inch because it was a bit long for her. But if one of us could not handle the 12 gauge so comfortably, I'd happily replace it with a 20 gauge and wouldn't feel the least bit undergunned.

[survivalexpert22]

I hunt with a20 gauge with wax slugs and lead slugs

[REDFTW]

And for the next episode Barry will show some shells he made during the civil war :-)



[fatherofquadzilla]

what shotgun were you using ,like it its neet . and you guys rock .

[TheScoot44]

again barry thanks from scotland your teaching me loads and loads lol.

cheers andy

[arriscado75]

so the shelf life of shotgun shells is the same as bullets.

[darbycrash55]

goddamn Obama adds

[gunporn68]

Thank you for the lowdown on these rounds, they are amazing. And I did chamber load only. :)

[MrBuddydan]

I have a couple boxes of Imperial 12 gauge shells that my uncle left behind 30 yrs ago,I have kept them ,believing that they have a shelf life equal to rifle cartridges...are they a danger?

[huntwithairguns]

@MrBuddydan I shot about 60 or more 40 year old 12 gauge shells that were stored in an attic. They all went off perfectly.

[MrBuddydan]

@huntwithairguns Tyvm!

[invictussol]

good tricks on re weaponizing  and expediant procedures excellent

[Scorpiuszeroone]

A friend of mine hunts deer with some old bolt action 12 ga. with a scope. I think his dad originally bought it from Montgomery Ward. He won't let anyone shoot it because if you don't get your cheek weld just right it will give you a black eye. His looks a lot this this one.

[PHATTSTER]

Another great video...keep them coming guys

[Julius44bc]

Cool. Looks like fun.

[Solingen1000]

can you put a bit of wax around the primer to keep it moisture proof??

[jhensjh]

Nevermind, I see the rest of you guys don't have ear plugs either, answered my question. Not lecturing about hearing protection, was just curious.

[mdr8088]

I've been trying to make airsoft shot shells, I'm running into probelms, I think they're just to light. I've been thinking about waxing them, but I'm wondering if the wax would melt the airsoft BB's? Any ideas? Check out my vid on them.

[jhensjh]

Is that 20ga just not that loud, or is Barry the old school type who doesn't like hearing protection?

[zp1944]

I have always wondered this; but was Barry ever in the service?

[shane24nickerson]

Nice gun I wish I had a bolt action instead of my 12 gauge

[tifaandcloud1]

The video is great and I have a bolt actin 12 there are awesome guns

[DirtRider500R]

My uncle has one of those.

[ARRehar]

cool video! my grandpa has a bolt action 20 gauge also...there not somthing most people have.

[Iraqveteran8888]

@ARRehar I like bolt actions....

[creekrocker]

@Iraqveteran8888 thats what she said.

[deathrooster14]

@Iraqveteran8888 Who doesn't? :D

[ericdkillhound]

@ARRehar I have 2 20 gauge bolt action Mossbergs, beautiful pieces of work, also have the same gun in .410 and 16

[henrycems]

Thats a nice 20 gauge bolt gun you have.

[MrMunsin12]

stuff it in there and shoot it last words of a redneck

[bjizzle123]

i wonder if they would breach a door like i think they would

[cazybeast2]

@bjizzle123 that would be a cool test

[andrewvanrhoberts]

cool