For those who don't beleave in internal energy, let someone who has trained in one of the internal arts strike you through a (thick) telephone book. This will resolve your disbeleaf.
@gespilk personally I don't know anybody that cares about putting you into an armbar on the streets. it's kill or be killed out here, and I'll take an internal style over MMA anyday of the week when my life is on the line. no one fights fair where I'm from so all the getting out of chokes and armbars don't save you out here, now with that said.......you do learn how to evade such techniques when studying arts like these but you can't expect to see everything any style has in only 8 minute vids
@gespilk A way to get off the armbar is to bite the leg ;) Still nobody uses jiu jitsu in the street, and this art wasn´t created to fight MMA fighters.
@jorgebeltran True, the closest thing to grappling techniques that can be used on the street is standing head chokes and arm locks but trying to take some down to the ground isn't a logical thing to do especially in real violent encounter. The context of the situation is everything when you want to use certain techniques.
@gespilk Being a Blue Belt in BJJ (Gracie School) I asked myself a similar question once when I approached an old school master. He told me to take him to the mat. I tried to take him down - one leg, two leg, and then finally I tried just picking him up off the floor. He stood there like a freakin stone statue with a big grin on his face. For the first time in my life I entertained the thought that against this guy my grappling and groundfighting skills were shit!
To take someone down you have to be aware,at all times,where is their Projected Centre Of Gravity (PCOG) on the ground (in the direction of the normal earth gravity).Also you have to be aware of the imaginary flat shape created between the points of the opponents body touching the ground (that would usually be some quadrilateral with vertices the tips of his toes and heels).Your task is to keep his PCOG outside the imaginary shape,then he falls. It's Easy-peasy once u feel it.
@gespilk You're preaching to the chior dude. No secrets here. Sometimes science just can't account for everything. I'll give you the guy's phone number if you'd like to load up and go to China and see for yourself! Oh by the way Rorion once gave me a similar talk. (Don't get me wrong Rorion is bad shit!)
Enough talk about fat martial artists. Wang Shu-Jin did bagua and xingyi and was pretty portly. And he could knock your ass across a room. Skill and eating habits have nothing to do with each other.
@eutheria xinyiliuhequan predates xingyiquan, and while inspired xingyiquan, it's quite different. I'd say it has more in common with bajiquan than modern xingyi. It's very linear like xingyi and some of the fajin principles are the same, but one of the places it most obviously differs is its multitude of body strikes, most famously with the elbows, shoulders and head. The basic goal of xinyiliuhe is to step inside the opponents center of gravity, disrupt their footwork, and slam into them hard
This is the martial arts of fatties, at least bagua has a cardio element to it. Although I will give some of the forms a fair amount of requisite flexibility.
tonglong you're right but this is chilling...I'm walking around like most people in the west with a paunch. if what i see here is the manifestation and summoning of chi then i can honestly say i have only enough to stay alive...there is none save basic function...
many people think that MMA or other external martial arts are "the real deal", they think muscles = power, plus they don't understand why the old masters don't fight themselves in the MMA if they were able to kick ass. the think is most old masters could break most MMA fighers in half and see fighting only as a last resort. so they do not believe in it so it seems fake to them. to all those people: forget MMA, taekwondo or kickboxing, this is the highest level of self defence efficiency.
A true master. its hard to find martial artists with this type of skill! amazing jing! and great internal power! much praise to you and your style my friend!!
What a waste, teaching Chinese arts to Japanese... As if they have not owed the Chinese enough... Unlike German attitude towards the Jews, the Japs don't even feel guilty about their atrocities in China. Furthermore, Chinese today are still discriminated by them. What a waste... what have the Japs given this man to sell his ancestors?
He is true master, but i agree, why has he teaching the japanese? They will just end up using it against the chinese again.. like they always have .. ungrateful and disrespectful..
that section from what I remember represents the synthesis of xing yi and baqua. the idea of all ba qua learning straight line xing yi, and all primary xingyi users learning circular ba qua.
Hi, Bastion! Shifu told me that, actually, many internal style schools teach all 3 major internal styles, and men learn them in this order: XingYi, BaGua, TaiJi. After that, in the Wudang system, they can learn a very advanced style called LiangYi, also known as TaiYi. I've also read that some monk created a style called LiuXing Quan, only for people who already know all 3 internal styles well.
Still, I've never heard of the synthesis of XingYi and BaGua. Would you be kind to explain to me?
its more a legend really that a xingyi and baqua master met and dueled for three days, stopping 3 times to debate chat whatnot. and that at the end of the third match, the baqua master won out but was so impressed by the narrow margin of his win and the masters character that he pledged to teach him ba qua and learn xing yi while the other man said the same. Hence some schools of xingyi and baqua have elements of each other within their arts.
the version i had learn both masters conceded to each other, Hsing I bowing to the Pa Qua's footwork and the Pa Qua master bowing to Hsing I explosive power. they then agreed to combine their art and teach it together allowing students to choice which art to lean toward.
interesting. Thanks for the comment. I suspect that your version may be closer to concrete or there were mulitiple duels with teachers of the same line *bows* Live well, train well.
this is a xingyi exercise called pangu walking (I think thats the name) its in some branches of shanxi style xingyi. Its xingyi's version of bagua circle walking, but its not bagua. :D
Still confused, why would xingyi make its own version of circle walking? Which style did circle walking first? (I'm guessing Xingyi, because it's much older) Do you have any literature on this?
I think too few martial arts, books, videos, or schools focus on rooting - except Yi Chuan, and some old-school Tai Chi.
I think rooting is the most important skill, because it builds up a very high level of chi/jing/energy/momentum (whatever you're comfortable with calling it).
I would like to practice as many internal chinese styles but man, think about paying monthly you know. I would do it if someone teaches it to me for free and teaches it to me so I can learn the style and not because they want money and I know there are good schools out there that do teach well. still though, money issues. if people in the ancient world can develop styles, then we can too in this modern world so we don't have to go to dojos or so, do it as a family or a community thing.
and I believe, it's not just the internal strength that we can rely on. there are other choices, we can rely on brute force too. I think we have to fashion these skills to make it better and more effective, both internal strength, and brute force and any other sets skills that the human body can use.
I agree. I've been practicing hsing yi for 15 years, but I have also practiced boxing, thai boxing and kick boxing and I did some match. When I started with kick boxing and boxing, I was sure that I was improving my force. But now I understand that hsing yi is more effective, even if I respect all the other styles and I have got to say that they really helped me. Sorry for my bad english.
Thank you very much my friend, you are a very kind person. Do you practice Hsing Yi too? I have to say that the last time I wrote I forgot to say that I have started to study even Silat and Kali (but only 4 years ago), but Hsing Yi is always by my side and in my mind and even in my heart and it's a beautiful art.
I am just beginning to study it. I'm trying to learn the common elements of Taijiquan, Xingyi, Bagua and Yiquan to deepen my understanding of the Chinese Internal martial arts. My time is limited, but I hope to focus on one of those arts soon.
If you have limited tine work on your Zhan Zhuang to develop rooting power. Once you learn to connect to the Earth everything makes more sense. That is what I have done trying to work on those same four arts you mentioned. :)
@SQNBM Amen.Just look at most of these misinformed comments based upon what their untrained eye sees as opposed to what they have LIVED.No one EXPERIENCES anything anymore,they are too busy playing video games.And think that is "real"
has anyone ever noticed all these internal masters are extremely large, larger than the average man. doesn't that make it easier for them to fa jin and defeat everyone around them. i thought internal martial arts were supposed to be for the smaller guy but i have never seen one small master with convincing fajin or power. all their fajin demonstrations are on much smaller guys, look at bruce kumar, wang shu jin, hung i hsiang and the gompa guy.
so exactly what sort of muscle building are internal masters allowed to undertake without causing tension, can they do regular weights or do they have other means of developing muscle.
Well, standing in San Ti Shi, and any othe real stance, would strongly develop muscles, the actual movements would as well. Doing a move like Beng over and over again, with lots of Fa Jing would most definatly develop muscles.
and if the training incorporates weapons, then you have that as well, and the chinese are quite notorious for training with ridiculously sized weapons, suchas baguazhang's dao's and the like
thanks for that, i have noticed my muscles getting stronger since training xing yi movements fast and explosively but i can't imagine such training giving me larger arms. maybe the heavy weapon training would do it. anyway thanks for the info, i'm going to start looking into bagua now anyway.
Bone, ligament, and tendon strength are developed by internal martial arts, as well as "secondary" muscle groups...but intense muscular conditioning is generally not advised to coincide with internal training, as it puts a lot of strain on the joints and can cause the student to try and muscle their way through techniques subconsciously. As for the size of some masters, there are plenty of smaller masters (Wang Ji Wu and Sun Lu Tang were both pretty small, and Sun Zhi Jun is as well).
Also remember that a large number of internal masters trained in external arts for a period of time as well, and likely went through a good amount of muscular conditioning prior to practicing the internal styles.
Yeah San Ti Shi and all the real stances do develope strong legs. Ive just started doing a alittle XingYiQuan and Ive noticed defferences in in my muscular build already.
Some internal masters even do countless pushups and pullups, stand in horse stance for hours, and do core work that rivals the L-sit. Start with muscle, and work your way up from there.
Not to make a joke, but as you can by the 30 through 40 seconnds mark, we can tell he knows how to fuck, an american girl would go crazy with those thrusts.
well nearly every school of baqua and xingyi have some overlapping, even mention in lineage adn legend. Always best to know both the straight line and the circle.
acaully if you read dr.yang jwingmings book on xing yi , it is stated that xing yi isnt soft/or hard. its more of a bridge between the two. much like a rattin staff, it is hard yet pliable. it coils, being soft at the beggining (internal) and ending the strike with the (external) to deliver the internal power.
What I find really interesting is that when you compare it to Chen style tai chi demonstrastions of fajin, a lot of the principles are the same. Body alignment, breathing, and the way the motion "ripples" throughout the body, as in you can see it travel and how every muscle is involved, all coordinated. It really goes to show that, as far as internal styles are concerned, the principles are all really the same and no matter what style you study, the ened result is the same.
some many pawns in chinese m a's,"My master said","his lineage is","you can't see his power cause its internal". ahh Feng Zheng Bao,I love it. I wish there were open minded internal artists to do some ground training and step into the mma world. I think most of the internal arts world is in serous decay. weak funtion, and nonprgressive techs, you got to train to fight what popular. not let your teacher show his ability while you let him give it to you up the ass. train to better your teacher
I acually agree with you. Im an open minded martial artist who is heavily involved in gung fu, both internal/external,shuai jiao,and san shou. Practicing my tai chi grappling with bjj guys helped me alot,and acually sparring using techniques. On the other hand, MMA guys can be closed minded, when I go to grappling tourneys wearing my kung fu uniform, people seem offended or something.
First of all how are mma guys closed minded....i happen to be very open to all martial arts. Some forms i like an will use others i dont. but i dont see how you going to a grappling tournament whereing a kung fu uniform (obviously ppl are going to look at you, you were probly the only one with a kung fu uniform there)....how does that make them close minded.
The last guy I hit didn't want to be hit anymore. He made sure to hug me rest of the fight, but I hit him 4 times or sth without noticing it, I only tried to use beng quan, but he said later (we made friends later ;p) that I hit him several times. He said after the very first beng quan to his chest, he didn't want to box me anymore... hehe
I don't blame him. I *hate* getting hit with a beng quan. The last time I received a beng quan in the ribs in light sparring I bounced back 6 yards and was TKOed. :p
Someone here trying to dismiss xingyiquan? Please. At least spell it correctly so you don't look like a moron. After you can at least spell xingyiquan correctly, then perhaps, perhaps you may "criticize" it. Preferably you should have practiced it, perhaps for at least a few years. I'm going on my sixth year.
There is, because internal arts are incredibly widespread and are often practiced together. There must be millions of people practicing Tai Chi, Xing Yi and/or Bagwa in China.
Um, that's because China has been opening slowly to the world in the last ten years. Just because you have never heard of a style or master before, doesn't mean it's not good.
That might have a bit to do with the fact that China was pretty much a closed society until about 30 years ago, smart guy. Many people have emigrated from China since then, and many Westerners have visited and become exposed to Chinese martial arts. Think about it. Japan opened up to us in the 50's, then in the 80's karate was everywhere... Rub your two braincells together, you'll figure it out.
I study gao style bagua and my instructor told me that we need to be good at the basic linear, 8-directional forms (which is basically xingyi) to do ba gua properly. The reason being that these forms put a lot of attention into the static stances and their structure. The bagua stance is basically the xingyi stance but with the body twisted to the side.
No, actually it isn't. Some lines of xingyi practice a type of circle walking that is tighter and more square in nature, but looks much like bagua. Of course, some people have said that historically that bit was added after xingyi encountered bagua, which is probably accurate.
was going to say nearly all the old legends of the style i know talk to two masters meeting, fighting and incorporating each others systems somewhere down the line .
It's called "pan gen." It's quite a famous form in xingyiquan, but is only present in certain styles. Still, it almost certainly came from baguazhang.
I like to point out the "Pan Gen" is actually a form from Xin Yi Liu He Chuan, I saw Xing Yi adopted the name, though the movments are very different.
The version they are practicing now is a mix of Ba Gua and Xing Yi.
So there was an original xinyiliuhe form of that name, and later it was adopted as the name of a xingyi bagua-style form? That's interesting - I wonder what similarity those two forms might have. This form has an obvious baguazhang influence - in fact, it looks identical to bagua in every sense. Very beautiful though.
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endion12 3 months ago
uno de los maestros mas aguerridos de la actualidad
MrLeaFox 4 months ago
fuuuuuckkk...this guy is amazing.
voneinemkindgefict 5 months ago
For those who don't beleave in internal energy, let someone who has trained in one of the internal arts strike you through a (thick) telephone book. This will resolve your disbeleaf.
sandman4084 6 months ago
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Dwslassls 1 month ago
How do you defend a triangle choke with this or a take-down or arm-bar?
Any martial art should incorporate MMA as basis of its technique and then take it from there and explore.
It is so obvious that work on the ground is a huge part of fighting.
gespilk 7 months ago
@gespilk personally I don't know anybody that cares about putting you into an armbar on the streets. it's kill or be killed out here, and I'll take an internal style over MMA anyday of the week when my life is on the line. no one fights fair where I'm from so all the getting out of chokes and armbars don't save you out here, now with that said.......you do learn how to evade such techniques when studying arts like these but you can't expect to see everything any style has in only 8 minute vids
therealkamui 6 months ago
@gespilk A way to get off the armbar is to bite the leg ;) Still nobody uses jiu jitsu in the street, and this art wasn´t created to fight MMA fighters.
jorgebeltran 6 months ago
@jorgebeltran True, the closest thing to grappling techniques that can be used on the street is standing head chokes and arm locks but trying to take some down to the ground isn't a logical thing to do especially in real violent encounter. The context of the situation is everything when you want to use certain techniques.
papertiger7 6 months ago
@gespilk Being a Blue Belt in BJJ (Gracie School) I asked myself a similar question once when I approached an old school master. He told me to take him to the mat. I tried to take him down - one leg, two leg, and then finally I tried just picking him up off the floor. He stood there like a freakin stone statue with a big grin on his face. For the first time in my life I entertained the thought that against this guy my grappling and groundfighting skills were shit!
TakgeyonBlackbelt 4 months ago
@TakgeyonBlackbelt
To take someone down you have to be aware,at all times,where is their Projected Centre Of Gravity (PCOG) on the ground (in the direction of the normal earth gravity).Also you have to be aware of the imaginary flat shape created between the points of the opponents body touching the ground (that would usually be some quadrilateral with vertices the tips of his toes and heels).Your task is to keep his PCOG outside the imaginary shape,then he falls. It's Easy-peasy once u feel it.
gespilk 4 months ago
@gespilk You're preaching to the chior dude. No secrets here. Sometimes science just can't account for everything. I'll give you the guy's phone number if you'd like to load up and go to China and see for yourself! Oh by the way Rorion once gave me a similar talk. (Don't get me wrong Rorion is bad shit!)
TakgeyonBlackbelt 4 months ago
Remember I was here.Thai 5:30PM 5/1/2011
universetechnique 10 months ago
This looks like a bad ass teacher.
dpthinker 10 months ago
Outside music is loud and I can't hear anything, but I know this gentleman is a real master. Power punch, powerful move, etc.
YawmZajlaug 10 months ago
I can tell this is a real master.
YawmZajlaug 10 months ago
Enough talk about fat martial artists. Wang Shu-Jin did bagua and xingyi and was pretty portly. And he could knock your ass across a room. Skill and eating habits have nothing to do with each other.
bamboosera 1 year ago
For sure. correct practice over time.
ringfive 1 year ago
im now learning this style and i think the last style was yan am i right?
shanegx2009 1 year ago
why japanese language?
wbn70 1 year ago
What's the diffrent between xinyi and xinyiliuhe ?
emanresu81 1 year ago
@emanresu81 Xingyiliuhe is the named used by one branch of Xingyi for itself. It is a bit different from some of the others.
eutheria 1 year ago
@eutheria xinyiliuhequan predates xingyiquan, and while inspired xingyiquan, it's quite different. I'd say it has more in common with bajiquan than modern xingyi. It's very linear like xingyi and some of the fajin principles are the same, but one of the places it most obviously differs is its multitude of body strikes, most famously with the elbows, shoulders and head. The basic goal of xinyiliuhe is to step inside the opponents center of gravity, disrupt their footwork, and slam into them hard
TheHobophobic 9 months ago
@eutheria It's pretty neat stuff, I've always been fond of this video watch?v=aGqthW049qA
TheHobophobic 9 months ago
This is the martial arts of fatties, at least bagua has a cardio element to it. Although I will give some of the forms a fair amount of requisite flexibility.
godlameroso 1 year ago
@godlameroso I can assure you I have seen a fair few fat Bagua people too !
ukguy 1 year ago
@godlameroso i practice tai chi but this video is good youtube.com/watch?v=eNCvn2-rp8o shows its not for fatties.
marsopilami187 1 year ago
1:26 do the hustle!
insaneoffoe 1 year ago
tonglong you're right but this is chilling...I'm walking around like most people in the west with a paunch. if what i see here is the manifestation and summoning of chi then i can honestly say i have only enough to stay alive...there is none save basic function...
rendlesham 1 year ago
this is bullshit
MageAtYou 1 year ago
many people think that MMA or other external martial arts are "the real deal", they think muscles = power, plus they don't understand why the old masters don't fight themselves in the MMA if they were able to kick ass. the think is most old masters could break most MMA fighers in half and see fighting only as a last resort. so they do not believe in it so it seems fake to them. to all those people: forget MMA, taekwondo or kickboxing, this is the highest level of self defence efficiency.
rAFiCoRe 1 year ago
@rAFiCoRe
you are watching too many kung fu movies if you actually believe that
insaneoffoe 1 year ago
@insaneoffoe and you never trained in internal arts if you do not know this.
rAFiCoRe 1 year ago
Looks like his has a lot of power. nice . Edwin
Kenjiro67 1 year ago
holy crap. His Fajing is unlike anything I have seen.
dekal1 1 year ago
has he ever stayed up beyond 9 o'clock or had a fuc*in drink i wonder
rendlesham 1 year ago
@rendlesham you would be supprised. Alot of these guys drink smoke and gamble but they train hardcore.
tonglongkid 1 year ago
Real martial world ,real martial artist
dragob732 1 year ago
best hsing I i've seen online yet!
bab4 1 year ago
A true master. its hard to find martial artists with this type of skill! amazing jing! and great internal power! much praise to you and your style my friend!!
divinehysteria07 1 year ago
many of those things I do it in bed with my girlfriend
Sellos23 1 year ago
What a waste, teaching Chinese arts to Japanese... As if they have not owed the Chinese enough... Unlike German attitude towards the Jews, the Japs don't even feel guilty about their atrocities in China. Furthermore, Chinese today are still discriminated by them. What a waste... what have the Japs given this man to sell his ancestors?
lesterado 1 year ago
He is true master, but i agree, why has he teaching the japanese? They will just end up using it against the chinese again.. like they always have .. ungrateful and disrespectful..
Terryltk 1 year ago
Best Xing Yi on the Tube
acquafredda75 1 year ago
Very good content. Thanks for sharing : )
MOUAHLOIS 1 year ago
this is a very very good video. where do we get more preferebly in chinese or english.
rekcufeht 2 years ago
Very interesting! It is said that Bagua is circles and XingYi lines. Beautiful and powerful.
solnegrolunaroja 2 years ago 2
isn't circle walking a ba-gua practice?
egglot12 2 years ago
that section from what I remember represents the synthesis of xing yi and baqua. the idea of all ba qua learning straight line xing yi, and all primary xingyi users learning circular ba qua.
Bastion83 2 years ago
Hi, Bastion! Shifu told me that, actually, many internal style schools teach all 3 major internal styles, and men learn them in this order: XingYi, BaGua, TaiJi. After that, in the Wudang system, they can learn a very advanced style called LiangYi, also known as TaiYi. I've also read that some monk created a style called LiuXing Quan, only for people who already know all 3 internal styles well.
Still, I've never heard of the synthesis of XingYi and BaGua. Would you be kind to explain to me?
AndyRaslan 2 years ago
its more a legend really that a xingyi and baqua master met and dueled for three days, stopping 3 times to debate chat whatnot. and that at the end of the third match, the baqua master won out but was so impressed by the narrow margin of his win and the masters character that he pledged to teach him ba qua and learn xing yi while the other man said the same. Hence some schools of xingyi and baqua have elements of each other within their arts.
Bastion83 2 years ago
the version i had learn both masters conceded to each other, Hsing I bowing to the Pa Qua's footwork and the Pa Qua master bowing to Hsing I explosive power. they then agreed to combine their art and teach it together allowing students to choice which art to lean toward.
christopherfisk 2 years ago
interesting. Thanks for the comment. I suspect that your version may be closer to concrete or there were mulitiple duels with teachers of the same line *bows* Live well, train well.
Bastion83 2 years ago
Well, actually, it's more a Daoist practice than strictly Bagua, asa far as I've read, but I've only seen Bagua use it in its taolu.
AndyRaslan 2 years ago
very good
dmouter 2 years ago
this is a xingyi exercise called pangu walking (I think thats the name) its in some branches of shanxi style xingyi. Its xingyi's version of bagua circle walking, but its not bagua. :D
mixjourneyman 2 years ago
Still confused, why would xingyi make its own version of circle walking? Which style did circle walking first? (I'm guessing Xingyi, because it's much older) Do you have any literature on this?
egglot12 2 years ago
its called pan gen (sorry for my mistake). Says so in the description! :D
mixjourneyman 2 years ago
I wouldn't want to have this guy go all 5-Element on me.
WingChunGeologist 2 years ago
Looks pretty hard to me.
liverqiconstraint 2 years ago
why is this an internal art when so much external chi is used?
MolumBoxer 2 years ago
Or so it appears
He is actually moving with speed and suppleness being soft and being hard at the point of impact.
gsg9ff 2 years ago
Lol, 0:38, is that how he treats his wife when they get busy? :p
thegreatestoffools 2 years ago 2
lol that's just wrong.
hardr0ck 2 years ago
全是胳膊劲儿.
laonong2 2 years ago
Does he hold seminars? How can you study with him?
cioccolatosexy 2 years ago
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darkuser999 2 years ago
I would really like too learn Xingyiquan, but there isn't such thing around where i live.
Spacelord246 2 years ago
Like Master Bruce Lee said..."Be Like Water... Take the Shape of the Glass."
wsanders787 2 years ago
I think too few martial arts, books, videos, or schools focus on rooting - except Yi Chuan, and some old-school Tai Chi.
I think rooting is the most important skill, because it builds up a very high level of chi/jing/energy/momentum (whatever you're comfortable with calling it).
tigerone1970 2 years ago
Many young people today don't understand this type of skill
SQNBM 2 years ago 25
I would like to practice as many internal chinese styles but man, think about paying monthly you know. I would do it if someone teaches it to me for free and teaches it to me so I can learn the style and not because they want money and I know there are good schools out there that do teach well. still though, money issues. if people in the ancient world can develop styles, then we can too in this modern world so we don't have to go to dojos or so, do it as a family or a community thing.
HomedudePedroski 2 years ago
and I believe, it's not just the internal strength that we can rely on. there are other choices, we can rely on brute force too. I think we have to fashion these skills to make it better and more effective, both internal strength, and brute force and any other sets skills that the human body can use.
HomedudePedroski 2 years ago
I agree. I've been practicing hsing yi for 15 years, but I have also practiced boxing, thai boxing and kick boxing and I did some match. When I started with kick boxing and boxing, I was sure that I was improving my force. But now I understand that hsing yi is more effective, even if I respect all the other styles and I have got to say that they really helped me. Sorry for my bad english.
BRANSTEF 2 years ago 2
Your English is very good. Please don't worry about it.
podmonger 2 years ago
Thank you very much my friend, you are a very kind person. Do you practice Hsing Yi too? I have to say that the last time I wrote I forgot to say that I have started to study even Silat and Kali (but only 4 years ago), but Hsing Yi is always by my side and in my mind and even in my heart and it's a beautiful art.
BRANSTEF 2 years ago
I am just beginning to study it. I'm trying to learn the common elements of Taijiquan, Xingyi, Bagua and Yiquan to deepen my understanding of the Chinese Internal martial arts. My time is limited, but I hope to focus on one of those arts soon.
podmonger 2 years ago
If you have limited tine work on your Zhan Zhuang to develop rooting power. Once you learn to connect to the Earth everything makes more sense. That is what I have done trying to work on those same four arts you mentioned. :)
ksipa 2 years ago
Thank you, ksipa. You make sense. :-)
podmonger 2 years ago
I learned it the hard way. :) lol
ksipa 2 years ago
@SQNBM ....yeah cuz it's worlds apart from their perception
Or to name it better, from west perception.
Drezon4 1 year ago
@SQNBM Amen.Just look at most of these misinformed comments based upon what their untrained eye sees as opposed to what they have LIVED.No one EXPERIENCES anything anymore,they are too busy playing video games.And think that is "real"
BushiBato 1 year ago 5
@SQNBM You're right about that for me but I'd like to understand this better as well.
Zanodia 10 months ago
dag this is in japan no lie i know kung fu is every where but i wasent expecting them to practice the internal arts all that much
ShyningStar1 3 years ago
has anyone ever noticed all these internal masters are extremely large, larger than the average man. doesn't that make it easier for them to fa jin and defeat everyone around them. i thought internal martial arts were supposed to be for the smaller guy but i have never seen one small master with convincing fajin or power. all their fajin demonstrations are on much smaller guys, look at bruce kumar, wang shu jin, hung i hsiang and the gompa guy.
xingyimaster1987 3 years ago 2
You need to take into consideration that internal martial arts strongly develop muscles and that some people might enjoy the occasional pie.
longfingernail 3 years ago 11
so exactly what sort of muscle building are internal masters allowed to undertake without causing tension, can they do regular weights or do they have other means of developing muscle.
xingyimaster1987 3 years ago
Well, standing in San Ti Shi, and any othe real stance, would strongly develop muscles, the actual movements would as well. Doing a move like Beng over and over again, with lots of Fa Jing would most definatly develop muscles.
and if the training incorporates weapons, then you have that as well, and the chinese are quite notorious for training with ridiculously sized weapons, suchas baguazhang's dao's and the like
Train Big, Use Small ^^
longfingernail 3 years ago
thanks for that, i have noticed my muscles getting stronger since training xing yi movements fast and explosively but i can't imagine such training giving me larger arms. maybe the heavy weapon training would do it. anyway thanks for the info, i'm going to start looking into bagua now anyway.
xingyimaster1987 3 years ago
Bone, ligament, and tendon strength are developed by internal martial arts, as well as "secondary" muscle groups...but intense muscular conditioning is generally not advised to coincide with internal training, as it puts a lot of strain on the joints and can cause the student to try and muscle their way through techniques subconsciously. As for the size of some masters, there are plenty of smaller masters (Wang Ji Wu and Sun Lu Tang were both pretty small, and Sun Zhi Jun is as well).
theMAG101 3 years ago
Also remember that a large number of internal masters trained in external arts for a period of time as well, and likely went through a good amount of muscular conditioning prior to practicing the internal styles.
theMAG101 3 years ago
yeah thanks for that. however, are there any videos available of a smaller master doing real fajin on someone larger.
xingyimaster1987 3 years ago
No, I haven't seen any videos of a small master "doing" fa jing on a big person lol
theMAG101 3 years ago
Look up Mike Martello on here. He recently passed away but of smaller men against larger men I have seen few better.
ksipa 2 years ago
yeah thanks for that, mike martello was very powerful. i felt sad knowing someone so talented is now dead. anyway thanks.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
Oh my, that is terrible, terrible news.
Master Martello was of the few westerners that really understood the mechanics of Chinese MA.
He and I just recently shared a couple of messages.
Truly saddens me.
Koryuhoka 2 years ago 2
Yeah San Ti Shi and all the real stances do develope strong legs. Ive just started doing a alittle XingYiQuan and Ive noticed defferences in in my muscular build already.
pmaughmer 3 years ago
Some internal masters even do countless pushups and pullups, stand in horse stance for hours, and do core work that rivals the L-sit. Start with muscle, and work your way up from there.
kingfreddys 2 years ago 6
Feng zheng Bao is my sifu he is really small but strong as hell!
you wouldn't want it with this guy....... real gung fu
manukast 2 years ago
you can be very glad to have him as your master... he is the real deal.
rAFiCoRe 2 years ago
@manukast is this a dvd where he learns this stuff?
dragob732 1 year ago
If your gonna try and teach people get you info right.
BaguazhangMaster 3 years ago
What are you talking about? Don't give people false information. God...
BaguazhangMaster 3 years ago
OK what, when who, how and why was the Xinyi created from Xingyi?
ophachew 3 years ago
Whatz the difference between Xinyi and Xingyi?
ophachew 3 years ago
great sifu!
raverhitman1 3 years ago
whoa! he generates a lot of power
1ToNJaB 3 years ago
Not to make a joke, but as you can by the 30 through 40 seconnds mark, we can tell he knows how to fuck, an american girl would go crazy with those thrusts.
phreecfrancis 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHHHHAHAH! i was saying the same!
ninjanars 3 years ago
wow xinyi have a circular walking like bagua i didn`t know
chimbilae 3 years ago
the bagua walking compliments xing yi very well. I often combine these methods in sparring. pretty cool
randyds5 3 years ago
well nearly every school of baqua and xingyi have some overlapping, even mention in lineage adn legend. Always best to know both the straight line and the circle.
Bastion83 3 years ago
It's really striking how hard the strikes look. I expected it to be more flowing/soft. It looked as if he was snapping those punches.
sullyb23511 3 years ago
it's the most agressive "internal" style
cihank86 3 years ago
acaully if you read dr.yang jwingmings book on xing yi , it is stated that xing yi isnt soft/or hard. its more of a bridge between the two. much like a rattin staff, it is hard yet pliable. it coils, being soft at the beggining (internal) and ending the strike with the (external) to deliver the internal power.
randyds5 3 years ago
someone should seriously consider translating this.
llNonFictionll 3 years ago 2
Xingyiquan is awesome
Khomradeigor 3 years ago
What I find really interesting is that when you compare it to Chen style tai chi demonstrastions of fajin, a lot of the principles are the same. Body alignment, breathing, and the way the motion "ripples" throughout the body, as in you can see it travel and how every muscle is involved, all coordinated. It really goes to show that, as far as internal styles are concerned, the principles are all really the same and no matter what style you study, the ened result is the same.
ninpomasta111 4 years ago 2
some many pawns in chinese m a's,"My master said","his lineage is","you can't see his power cause its internal". ahh Feng Zheng Bao,I love it. I wish there were open minded internal artists to do some ground training and step into the mma world. I think most of the internal arts world is in serous decay. weak funtion, and nonprgressive techs, you got to train to fight what popular. not let your teacher show his ability while you let him give it to you up the ass. train to better your teacher
picklesandwich99 4 years ago
I acually agree with you. Im an open minded martial artist who is heavily involved in gung fu, both internal/external,shuai jiao,and san shou. Practicing my tai chi grappling with bjj guys helped me alot,and acually sparring using techniques. On the other hand, MMA guys can be closed minded, when I go to grappling tourneys wearing my kung fu uniform, people seem offended or something.
randyds5 3 years ago
First of all how are mma guys closed minded....i happen to be very open to all martial arts. Some forms i like an will use others i dont. but i dont see how you going to a grappling tournament whereing a kung fu uniform (obviously ppl are going to look at you, you were probly the only one with a kung fu uniform there)....how does that make them close minded.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
Not someone you would want to bump into in a dark alley, especially as he can fight blind-folded. Awesome power.
YueFei10 4 years ago
It's the best demonstration I've seen so far, esp because you can hear his breathing.
romansampo 4 years ago
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this video is why mixed martial arts exists
Zaku49 4 years ago
Very, Very Nice.
Excellent Explosive "Ging", (Fajin).
Excellent Short Power.
Excellent "Yi" Development/Cultivation.
A Superior Practitoner.
Very Nice.
YuJinLong 4 years ago
So is this guy like the "Big Daddy" of Xingyi? I don't think I've seen anyone else do it with so much power.
NOMIND101 4 years ago
He's certainly one of the top people in Japan.
chessman71 4 years ago
Do you know where in Japan he teaches?
student72 4 years ago
He's in Tokyo.
chessman71 4 years ago
his skill in incredible. Makes me consider looking up a local master in this style that I know for lessons. My god the power is insane. Amazing.
Bastion83 4 years ago
Sweet flaming jesus. I don't know whether to be inspired, or to quit martial arts now knowing I'll never be at this level. God damn...
WarriorBoy 4 years ago
Actually, this isn't even his best art. His xinyi liu he is even better!
chessman71 4 years ago
That guy can generate some good power.
trigger1979 4 years ago
this guy is solid with a compact, in close fighting style with a lot of power. nice.
Piechickenman 4 years ago
Just take a look at 1:42. That is beng quan.
nejatarn 4 years ago
The last guy I hit didn't want to be hit anymore. He made sure to hug me rest of the fight, but I hit him 4 times or sth without noticing it, I only tried to use beng quan, but he said later (we made friends later ;p) that I hit him several times. He said after the very first beng quan to his chest, he didn't want to box me anymore... hehe
nejatarn 4 years ago
I don't blame him. I *hate* getting hit with a beng quan. The last time I received a beng quan in the ribs in light sparring I bounced back 6 yards and was TKOed. :p
eastpaw 4 years ago
Er...I meant 6 feet. 6 yards is, what? 5.5 metres? :p
eastpaw 4 years ago
He must never have been hit by xyq before... This critic.
nejatarn 4 years ago
Nice expression of fajin
mazorblock 4 years ago
Someone here trying to dismiss xingyiquan? Please. At least spell it correctly so you don't look like a moron. After you can at least spell xingyiquan correctly, then perhaps, perhaps you may "criticize" it. Preferably you should have practiced it, perhaps for at least a few years. I'm going on my sixth year.
nejatarn 4 years ago
If someone did that, they would obviously be very foolish.
ommmonet 4 years ago
Some moron did.
nejatarn 4 years ago
Xing Yi may be internal, but he makes Hung Gar look like woosies. :)
tigerone1970 4 years ago
oh...god not another Wing yi master.....10 years ago no one heard of Xing yi quan ...mow there is a grand master on every corner......
jadewillow 4 years ago
>-> where... i wanna train with the xing yi master on my corner... but i cant find him. :(
MoreChi52 4 years ago
Were you at kindergarten 10 years ago? sounds like you were!!!
paoquan 4 years ago
There is, because internal arts are incredibly widespread and are often practiced together. There must be millions of people practicing Tai Chi, Xing Yi and/or Bagwa in China.
tigerone1970 4 years ago
Um, that's because China has been opening slowly to the world in the last ten years. Just because you have never heard of a style or master before, doesn't mean it's not good.
jingwuman 4 years ago
That might have a bit to do with the fact that China was pretty much a closed society until about 30 years ago, smart guy. Many people have emigrated from China since then, and many Westerners have visited and become exposed to Chinese martial arts. Think about it. Japan opened up to us in the 50's, then in the 80's karate was everywhere... Rub your two braincells together, you'll figure it out.
NOMIND101 4 years ago 2
I think this may be one of the best videos on youtube, certainly one of the best martial arts videos. Hail to chessman71.
blackjamm 4 years ago
KOOL
mcshadow5000 5 years ago
amazing jing, simply inspirational!
nejatarn 5 years ago
cat stance anyone? >_> Thats the stance that Xing Yi focuses on, or rather, should focus on, depending on what school you learn it from.
Kittyisback 5 years ago
I study gao style bagua and my instructor told me that we need to be good at the basic linear, 8-directional forms (which is basically xingyi) to do ba gua properly. The reason being that these forms put a lot of attention into the static stances and their structure. The bagua stance is basically the xingyi stance but with the body twisted to the side.
CaptainHentai 5 years ago
thanks for the upload!. this is very informative video. wish there was a good instructor of xingyi or bagua in sydney :(
musicdisciple 5 years ago
Sun dafa is in sydney there are some good masters there.
rhan3488 5 years ago
Outstanding vid, great Xingyi! Thanks for posting it. Is the DVD still available?
chud67 5 years ago
very nice video, thanks for sharing :)
jcap11 5 years ago
This is great (just wish it was in english)
ophuchew 5 years ago
The last part of it is Baguazhang.
Capoeirista81 5 years ago
No, actually it isn't. Some lines of xingyi practice a type of circle walking that is tighter and more square in nature, but looks much like bagua. Of course, some people have said that historically that bit was added after xingyi encountered bagua, which is probably accurate.
chessman71 5 years ago
Hi Chessman71. Does this part of the practice fall under the xingyi 9 palace boxing category?
hsingstye 4 years ago
was going to say nearly all the old legends of the style i know talk to two masters meeting, fighting and incorporating each others systems somewhere down the line .
Bastion83 4 years ago
It's called "pan gen." It's quite a famous form in xingyiquan, but is only present in certain styles. Still, it almost certainly came from baguazhang.
blackjamm 5 years ago
I like to point out the "Pan Gen" is actually a form from Xin Yi Liu He Chuan, I saw Xing Yi adopted the name, though the movments are very different.
The version they are practicing now is a mix of Ba Gua and Xing Yi.
BaPanZhang 4 years ago
So there was an original xinyiliuhe form of that name, and later it was adopted as the name of a xingyi bagua-style form? That's interesting - I wonder what similarity those two forms might have. This form has an obvious baguazhang influence - in fact, it looks identical to bagua in every sense. Very beautiful though.
blackjamm 4 years ago