We see so many of our competitors throwing products on the market with little research on their durability or safety. Sure they are cheap, but they seem to be the ones not interested in results. We could sell many more if we would cheapen the product and just sell them without care for the reefs or the long term effectiveness. Your candor is appreciated.
Truth is profits will eventually allow us to develop more and better tools and methods that are safe and reliable. Instead of speaking of what you don't know about, why not join in in solving this problem.
@reefprotectionbob It seems to me that you are perhaps a little too defensive. I think the tool is great and the control of lionfish is vital to the health of he reef. I was simply baffled why there would be a $180 training course for this tool. There are other tools, like Randy's mini spear that are just as effective, yet do not require a BS training certificate. I think many divers will agree that PADI has gone nuts with certifications designed more for profit than actual education.
At the same time are protecting the reef is expensive, and creating a tool that works on thousands of dives is expensive, using the most expensive methods and equipment and material is expensive, giving tools away to organizations and individuals that cannot afford them is expensive. Doing the right thing in a measured manner is costly. While the marine parks that require its use are thrilled with the results and the professional results yet you say it is shameless profiteering.
@reefprotectionbob I don't oppose making a buck, I was simply observing that the tool seems very expensive, especially when there are simple spears that will do the job for a fraction of the cost. I appreciate that a lot of time and money went into development, and I wish you well in your business. I guess what really struck me is that some folks seem focused more on making a buck rather than controlling lionfish invasion (PADI and others). If you don't fit this this profile, then no problem.
sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting, and making sure that can use it safely and at the same time are protecting the reef is expensive.
sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting, and making sure that can use it safely and at the same time are protecting the reef is expensive,
sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting, and making sure that can use it safely and at the same time are protecting the reef is expensive
I checked out the ELF website. This seems to me to be little more than shameless profiteering. The tool costs over $200, all accessories are overpriced, and to top it off, they require every user to take a course for $180! It also appears that the diving cartel PADI has jumped on the wagon to offer a certification for lionfish hunting. No surprise there, I understand the need to make a buck, but this seems excessive.
@zc406 sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting.
I think you are not acquainted with our tool. and clearly you do not understand our goal. We want to kill lionfish. We are glad you like your equipment and hope you use it a lot. We know for a fact that the reefs where divers have daily worn the ELF on Cozumel they rarely see lionfish. The problem is much bigger than our ELF or any weapon . Before you analyze equipment, thrust, and accuracy ,we recommend you talk to divers who have extensively used both.
One more thing.. You might want to also remove the disinformation about "controlling the invasion" here in Cozumel. We can limit it in some ways but there is going to be no controlling it, no matter how many spears are in DM's hands, as evidenced by the 1904 lionfish nailed in the last lionfish tournament. This number goes up each tournament despite more and more divers hunting them.
Bring it to Puerto Rico soon!!!. It will be a good idea if you people make an arregement with the government to make a tournamet for lionfish reduction because sadly erradication is impossible.
@NolbertNFM thanks for the suggestion, we are planning on coming soon. If you know contact information for a premier dive shop or the right government officials we will follow up and keep you informed. We continue to have great success on the coast of Mexico, and where we are operating daily we are controlling the invasion. Bob
There is no way this shoots faster than a spear... I understand you wanting to promote your product but let's be serious.. A banded spear is going to be much faster and more accurate in most cases. You can clearly see more than once the divers in the video doing a pre-release flinch, which often causes the lionfish to bolt or move before the rod is deployed.
There is no way this shoots faster than a spear... I understand you wanting to promote your product but let's be serious.. A banded spear is going to be much faster and more accurate in most cases. You can clearly see more than once the divers in the video doing a pre-release flinch, which often causes the lionfish to bolt or move before the rod is deployed.
@DrBlueBop thanks, one of the options is a paralyzer tip,but divers like the ELF because of it size and power, keep your ten and thanks for the advice.
We see so many of our competitors throwing products on the market with little research on their durability or safety. Sure they are cheap, but they seem to be the ones not interested in results. We could sell many more if we would cheapen the product and just sell them without care for the reefs or the long term effectiveness. Your candor is appreciated.
reefprotectionbob 10 months ago
Truth is profits will eventually allow us to develop more and better tools and methods that are safe and reliable. Instead of speaking of what you don't know about, why not join in in solving this problem.
reefprotectionbob 10 months ago
@reefprotectionbob It seems to me that you are perhaps a little too defensive. I think the tool is great and the control of lionfish is vital to the health of he reef. I was simply baffled why there would be a $180 training course for this tool. There are other tools, like Randy's mini spear that are just as effective, yet do not require a BS training certificate. I think many divers will agree that PADI has gone nuts with certifications designed more for profit than actual education.
zc406 10 months ago
At the same time are protecting the reef is expensive, and creating a tool that works on thousands of dives is expensive, using the most expensive methods and equipment and material is expensive, giving tools away to organizations and individuals that cannot afford them is expensive. Doing the right thing in a measured manner is costly. While the marine parks that require its use are thrilled with the results and the professional results yet you say it is shameless profiteering.
reefprotectionbob 10 months ago
@reefprotectionbob I don't oppose making a buck, I was simply observing that the tool seems very expensive, especially when there are simple spears that will do the job for a fraction of the cost. I appreciate that a lot of time and money went into development, and I wish you well in your business. I guess what really struck me is that some folks seem focused more on making a buck rather than controlling lionfish invasion (PADI and others). If you don't fit this this profile, then no problem.
zc406 10 months ago
sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting, and making sure that can use it safely and at the same time are protecting the reef is expensive.
reefprotectionbob 10 months ago
sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting, and making sure that can use it safely and at the same time are protecting the reef is expensive,
reefprotectionbob 10 months ago
sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting, and making sure that can use it safely and at the same time are protecting the reef is expensive
reefprotectionbob 10 months ago
I checked out the ELF website. This seems to me to be little more than shameless profiteering. The tool costs over $200, all accessories are overpriced, and to top it off, they require every user to take a course for $180! It also appears that the diving cartel PADI has jumped on the wagon to offer a certification for lionfish hunting. No surprise there, I understand the need to make a buck, but this seems excessive.
zc406 10 months ago
@zc406 sorry you are misinformed and we would be glad to invite you to discover why divers and governments have chosen the ELF tool. No other tool has a fraction of the R and D in the field as does the ELF tool. Without a doubt, traveling to various sites is costly and waiting for approval before selling it is costly and making sure the diver is qualified to use it is limiting.
reefprotectionbob 10 months ago
I think you are not acquainted with our tool. and clearly you do not understand our goal. We want to kill lionfish. We are glad you like your equipment and hope you use it a lot. We know for a fact that the reefs where divers have daily worn the ELF on Cozumel they rarely see lionfish. The problem is much bigger than our ELF or any weapon . Before you analyze equipment, thrust, and accuracy ,we recommend you talk to divers who have extensively used both.
reefprotectionbob 1 year ago
One more thing.. You might want to also remove the disinformation about "controlling the invasion" here in Cozumel. We can limit it in some ways but there is going to be no controlling it, no matter how many spears are in DM's hands, as evidenced by the 1904 lionfish nailed in the last lionfish tournament. This number goes up each tournament despite more and more divers hunting them.
frisk151 1 year ago
Bring it to Puerto Rico soon. We need a couple of tournaments each year to protect our coral reefs and our fish from the lionfish invasion.
NolbertNFM 1 year ago
Bring it to Puerto Rico soon!!!. It will be a good idea if you people make an arregement with the government to make a tournamet for lionfish reduction because sadly erradication is impossible.
NolbertNFM 1 year ago
@NolbertNFM thanks for the suggestion, we are planning on coming soon. If you know contact information for a premier dive shop or the right government officials we will follow up and keep you informed. We continue to have great success on the coast of Mexico, and where we are operating daily we are controlling the invasion. Bob
reefprotectionbob 1 year ago
Can it be put inside the sleeve of the wet suit?
guacacuda 1 year ago
I use spearguns to kill lionfish, but I use a meat cutting cissors underwater. So , I cut the spines underwater. Is very easy to do it !!!
guacacuda 1 year ago
@guacacuda
Great idea, the ELF might make it easier to reload and is more powerful and faster than anyone can thrust or shoot a spear.
It is very easy to carry with you as a diver as it has rings that easily attach to your BC
reefprotectionbob 1 year ago
@reefprotectionbob,
There is no way this shoots faster than a spear... I understand you wanting to promote your product but let's be serious.. A banded spear is going to be much faster and more accurate in most cases. You can clearly see more than once the divers in the video doing a pre-release flinch, which often causes the lionfish to bolt or move before the rod is deployed.
frisk151 1 year ago
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@reefprotectionbob,
There is no way this shoots faster than a spear... I understand you wanting to promote your product but let's be serious.. A banded spear is going to be much faster and more accurate in most cases. You can clearly see more than once the divers in the video doing a pre-release flinch, which often causes the lionfish to bolt or move before the rod is deployed.
frisk151 1 year ago
Is amazing how people unite to a cause. I see divers in all the carib` hunting lionfish. We (divers) can be call heroes!!
guacacuda 1 year ago
@guacacuda
Thanks we hope to bring the ELF to PR before the end of the year.
reefprotectionbob 1 year ago
awesome video!
POPCORNgirlz 1 year ago
is this in grand cayman?? if so can u tell me where to purchase one of those spears.
TheFishaman 1 year ago
@TheFishaman
reefprotectionbob 1 year ago
it would be easyer to use a pole spear with a paralyzer tip but i would buy a elf if it was under 10 bucks
DrBlueBop 1 year ago
@DrBlueBop thanks, one of the options is a paralyzer tip,but divers like the ELF because of it size and power, keep your ten and thanks for the advice.
reefprotectionbob 1 year ago
where can we get one?
lazanyizsolt 1 year ago
@lazanyizsolt email
reefprotectionbob 1 year ago
How do I get one?
Seasportsdiving 1 year ago
WOW!!! great success, the fish are removed, corals are not damaged, & meat is not harmed.... Now, we eat them Very delicious
talbixby 1 year ago