it was rather ridiculus that this scen was cut when they allowed bachauses servinds to be remain intact,Why ? they were attractive, that was the excuse.How hypocritcal
@mikemcgee They were attractive, so they fit in. In the other scene she is the ONE centaur that is ugly and exaggerated, which, imo, jolted the viewing experience, unlike Bachaus's servents, who pretty much reflected ancient Greece, while the one centaur reflected american racism.
Not cool that the studio even thought about putting a Black servant in their movie. Man, and they made her ugly too. Back then, they always overdid it with the lips. I'm glad they later made an adorable girl like Tiana.
@foobarbe I'm a disgruntled white man who is expressing how disappointed he is of his fellow white folk, i think a white person -or any race for that matter- who thinks of himself or herself as a higher being based purely on their skin tone, is trash, white or not.
@7Chutzpah ur an ugly pimpled face retard.it doesnt even bother me u just called me a negress.I wish i had dark skin and nice big lips.its a compliment cause it means black in spanish LOL.but u r fuking lazy,probably cant even wear bikini u look so nasty, fat ass.if u got some sun too u will be a negro too stupid dam f*k.but ur so f**ing lazy u probably dont get up from ur couch to get some sun.shedding skin all over like a freaking liguana.all u do is sit on ur couch,lazy fat piece of lard!
@7ChutzpahYou are just another usual, typical ignorant racist trash coward hiding behind a computer screen without any uploaded films of himself with little to no info talking racist sh!t cause you're not man enough to handle the real world and won't /can't do anything about it. You solve your racist hatred by posting insults online because your life is fuked up and gives you a false sense of security. You're a fuking nobody retard.
@kev95 That's a poor argument. You should do some research on 'black face' and other racial stereotypes found in such examples as the Uncle Remus stories. These stereotypes carried over to a lot of early Disney and Warner Brothers cartoons. Also, do yourself a favor and type 'Jim Crow Laws' in Google search.
@kev95 It wouldn't make sense if the roles were reversed in that particular era. I'm certain Disney would be ostracized by his audience for reversing those roles. The fact is, this short scene was deliberate. It was intended to yet again make black people appear foolish and content with racial oppression. It was the worst kind of subliminal message - one that many children probably laughed at.
@kev95 You know as well as anyone that, considering the historical context that would never be and clearly is not the case, thereby invalidating your hypothetical.
@RocketRaccon3040 And then of course, is the ongoing discussion over the definition of what racism is. You ought to clarify that as well; do you see it as institutional dominion or any act of overt racial prejudice?
@kev95 How fucking stupid can one person sound with one single comment? You sir, have raised the bar. And the fact you got 5 likes proves rednecks travel in packs.
Whilst I understand that this could just be a conspiracy, I do ask myself: "Doesn't it seem odd that Sunflower a noticeably less valued character and the only black centaur? I mean, she's a black slave to all of the beautiful, tall, graceful centaurs who are, ha ha, WHITE." Hmm, not sure what decision to make. Despite this, I don't believe in all of that subliminal crap that people claim Disney adds into their films anyway. I watched Disney loads when I was little and I'm not brain-washed. XD!
This part of the Pastoral symphony was something that should NEVER have been made in the first place. I'm white, and yes, I understand that this was during a time where making fun of a certain race was considered OK, but even I see that things like this can actually hurt people's feelings, and that, in turn, creates even more animosity and hatred between two races. I'm so tired of seeing people think that other people are the devil. We need to end the cycle of hatred, or it will destroy us all.
@foobarbe Ok granted, facsism IS something to be eradicated, but how the fuck does not being allowed to make fun of other races lead to us to be facsist?
The point I was making a month ago was, if Disney was gonna end up cutting shit out of Fantasia, why even put it there in the first place?
@Anathar88 because it was a different world back then, not something we are proud of, but that's the way it was nonetheless. Once they grew out of that mindset they took it out, realizing how awful it was. They were raised that way, sadly, you can't put all the blame on them.
I can see why people would be offended-the character is a pretty obvious racial stereotype. But I think we also need to remember the time at which this was made and the context in which it was placed. I highly doubt Walt Disney set out to deliberately insult anyone with this scene. And we should probably bare in mind that one tiny fact that ITS JUST A FREAKING CARTOON!
i think everyone's missing the point here. yeah, by removing the black characters they're basically saying: there's room for Negroes in their perfect "white" world unless they're slaves. Why am i not offended? they thought it was cute to fuck horses and breed with them. Black people need to disassociate themselves from this movie as much as possible.
eh, i'm black but honestly i'm not all that offended at this, i wish she wasn't making such a ridiculous face though. i'm more upset about the last part with the devil/satan thing, used to scare the crap out of me as a kid
God damn some people are dumb. This was NORMAL back then. African-Americans shined shoes when this was made, because nobody would give them any good jobs. That's just the way it was.
Why should we censor this? Children should know how insensitive and socially destructive we were back then. The youth will never learn if everything is censored into looking like the last 100 years were just peaches n' cream.
@SoundsOfAndromeda The problem is, white people aren't going to learn anything from leaving a scene like this in the movie because it doesn't explain anything, and black people are going to be reminded of the pain and suffering they've gone through when they would otherwise just be watching a fun movie.
@SyeraMiktayee the thing is i don't think a white kid is going to notice and isame for a black kid unless there mom or dad points it out and then thay can explain i mean im black and i watched this as a kid and did not notices untell now
@boomdoom5 I wasn't necessarily talking about younger children, but rather people who are old enough to have to deal with racism and know enough about their history to know that the significance of what's shown in this clip isn't good.
Also, are you sure you saw this particular clip when you were a kid? The scenes with Sunflower, as Disney called her, were cut out in the late 60's because people complained about the racism.
@SoundsOfAndromedaI am not sure if u have ever been around kids,but kids dont discuss history when they are w/ each other.They discuss which horse was the prettiest and which ones were the ugly ones. what do u think will happen to the little black girls watching this? white girls will pick on them everyday telling them they are ugly. Please, be realistic. This cartoons were done to praise the white race.No wonder black women have so many issues with their image,thanks to cartoons like this one
Riiiiight..."inferior". Is that what you really think? Seems like it's you who's living under a rock these days.
So yeah....get off MissArielMarie's tail and go crack some history books. If those are too "old school" for you, then search googles out stuff on Famous blacks and inventors and such things like that. There's a lot. They are not inferior, we are all the same.
@MizuUchiha "we are all the same" except that some are black, others aren't. Your sentences is so stupid, dumb and meaningless that it makes you seem pathetic.
@foobarbe "Your sentences is so stupid, dumb and meaningless that it makes you seem pathetic."
Grammar please."Sentences are" and also stupid/dumb pretty much mean the same thing. When I said "we are all the same" I mean we are all human beings who strive to survive and coexist with each other. My argument is valid, not "stupid, dumb and meaningless" as you put it.
That people here are laughing about this shows that people don't know how bad racism is. It was especially bad back in the day when "Fantasia" was made and shown.
How the black girl in the scene is shown was how a lot of people thought of African Americans back in the day. They thought of them as ugly, dirty and stupid and it was hurtful to a lot of people.
Just because some people can "brush it off" now, doesn't mean others still don't find it hurtful and those people's feelings should be respected and taken into consideration. You should also try putting yourself in the shoes of African Americans who lived during the Civil Rights movement and take into consideration how they felt when they saw this kind of imagery as the face of African Americans. It's not a nice feeling.
This movie wasn't the same without sunflower, i mean, it really wasn't. Because the third scene that showed her screwed the entire movies sound and made it completely out of sync.
Yes. I grew up in the 90's. I didn't know about Sunflower till a few months ago. Even so, I still don't see how the film is out of sync.
They didn't cut the scenes with Sunflower completely out though. They just did some zooming in so you don't see when Sunflower and the other small black centaurs come out.
so glad they got rid of this, and no, you shouldn't be "cool" with this. racism is never ok, no matter what race is involved. and just because one black guy says he's cool with it doesn't make it okay. no it's great that this kind of crud is gone so future generations of really young impressionable children get the message that we are all equal early on.
@lesliekwan80 it's not that the servant isn't white, it's that none of the girls are black. the servant is small and diminutive (yet still a woman, so why is she not included in the dress-up session?) while the beautiful tall white centaurs are being groomed for the suitors by her
@KatarraParson you're an obvious troll; go back to school. If you were so against racism you wouldn't have an icon of a white micheal jackson. ;x Btw, he was sexier when he was black, haha.
@showerpwner LMAO! your stupidity is so ridiculous that I find it hilarious. Go back to school? Troll? (name calling is so chidish). Wow, it seems like you suffer from what I call "idiocy, ignorance, and no life disease". I suggest u get some help. And please for the love of God don't have any kids. You prove yourself as ignorant already saying MJ was a "white icon". I won't even get into that. And going on my page seems stalkerish doesn't it? So low and immature. PS: He was always black.
@KatarraParson Actually you're stupid, cuz I can see your icon when you comment me. :) I wouldn't want to visit a troll's page, because they are the ones with no life. They go to videos on youtube, and try to start flame wars by bringing up unnecessary comments about race, animal abuse, etc. You're ignorant by only seeing one opinion as being right and make rude comments about people with ideas that differ from your own. have a nice, one-sided life. :)
@showerpwner LMAO! You're 2 funny. U just contradicted your very own words. I simply made a comment and U started arguing like the "troll" U are. There's no other idea to this, except the fact that it is racist. N your comments were NOT ideas, they were judgements. Oh, here's a lil' vocab. lesson for yah! :) Ignorant- unknowing, lacking knowledge, unaware. Hmm, who does that sound like? You, of course. Have a nice, ignorant (remember this word), oblivious to the real world, life. : D bye bye
Anyone trying to argue that this isn't racist is an ignorant and culturally-unaware loon.
However, I do believe there should be an uncut version. As a black female, I have read plenty of books that use the "N" word and other racial slurs and have been very careful in remembering the context of the work as I did so. That’s really the trick to enjoying classic works with some racial undertones: you have to be a little more objective and a little less personal.
@MissArielMarie Well put. I personally feel it is far more offensive for them to try and deny that they ever did anything of this sort than to openly admit that yes, they did, an it was a different time-if nothing else the original should be preserved for it's artistic value, as the editing they used to remove the bits with the Sunflower character ruined not only the animation, but in several spots the music, which causes it to jump around.
@MissArielMarie don't pretend like you black people didn't hate white folks. although i couldn't blame you since a lot of idiots kept you people slaves n' all. why does such a word even exist? seriously, but i guess it's kinda worse in my town, there are only 2 black kids so everyone basically says nigger freely. principle over heard it a few times and doesn't' even seem to care. don't u people call us "crackers"? i find that equally offensive.
@MissArielMarie no, that was you just acting like a bitch again. saying "your" is much more conveniant then saying "you're" it saves 2 characters, and everyone will understand.
@MissArielMarie hmm, i just read that first comment i made, don't remember typing that, it was either my brother, or i wasn't sober, it looks like a skipped a few sentences, i started talking about the word "nigger" without even stating it. I don't know why you gotta get your pathetic little brain all worked up over this, racism has always existed, and always will, get over it.
Yeah. I'm sure it was your brother. I concede that you're just stupid. You must be considering I wasn't getting worked up over racism. In fact, my original comment indicated the opposite. Yours, if anything, showed a lot more racial outrage than mine did.
You need to pick up a dictionary and learn to read. I did say the video was racist. Because it is. However, I also explained that this was a time period thing and then I said: "That’s really the trick to enjoying classic works with some racial undertones: you have to be a little more objective and a little less personal."
Because some people seem to think that it's not racist? Therefore, I made it clear that it was, however, it was a different time. Regardless, I've already debunked your point. Please go back to your rock.
@MissArielMarie to my rock? what do you mean by that? are you being racist? are you saying we live in rocks? shut the fuck up you nigger!!!!! you racist piece of shit!!!! yea i called you a nigger, cause your fucking provoking me, you dumbass bitch!!
@MissArielMarie english isn't my mother tongue. i wouldn't want to be from the states, bunch of lazy fat asses who have nothing better to do but eat MacDonalds and shit their pants. your seriously a fucking idiot for thinking that everyone on youtube is from the u.s.
@kwame700 you know, I don't really care about racism anymore, I'm not taking any part in it, instead of those idiot "complaining" why don't they actually do something. as long as my family is safe, I don't give a fuck about racism.
Do you realize that in a LOT of movies (cartoon or otherwises) blacks tend to be portrayed as doing more "low class" or subservient jobs like janitors, servants, maids, hair dressers, trash collectors, etc. No not as slaves as that would be considered going to far, however the payed-jobs blacks are often shown doing are based on these stereotypes (which still does seem racist). So no this cartoon (even this banned part) doesn't seem too far away from mainstream entertainment.
the fact that this footage was sketched, inked,painted AND ALMOST PUT IN is an abomination toward man, let alone the fact you can still find this footage in nearly mint condition but that's my opinion
Really, how is this racist at all? It wasn't uncommon to have handmaids do this sort of thing in the middle ages. Just palette swap the 'offending' centaur with a shade of blue or green or something and everything would be fine.
@nWoStyle Lol, it wouldn't actually. As long as the racist features would be kept the same, people would notice. It's not just that the black centaur was a servant, it's also that he/she? was also portrayed as goofy and unattractive (with the stereotypical black face features that used to be popular back then). Furthermore, this clip isn't based in the middle ages...it's fantasy.
@nWoStyle Okay so some black girl with big pink lips, and braids sticking out on the sides of her head following a white half horse/human isn't racist. You sir my youtube commenter are blinded.
I think It's kinda fun, but OFFENSIVE also! I mean... I'm not black, but I can hardly stand it, and I guess I wouldn't like my children to watch this... at least not without a previous explanation, lol.
I think it's offensive to ban this in the first place-- Why not show how far we come in society that were no longer doin this? The fact where diending something from our history, and pretend it's not there is just as bad.
i honestly don't understand what's so bad about this. how is it racist to have a black person in the movie? i think it's more racist NOT to include any blacks
@dazzle21girl it's the fact that the girl is drawn as a pickaninny caricature from the days of black face, and that unlike the other centaurs who are getting ready to find love, she is only seen as a hoof polishing lowly hand maid.
Well you have to consider the year this was made and I know racisim unfortunately is still around but I know in the yea to which this was made, its quite offensive!
Given the sterotype image being made. As to slave ownership; african american women are always portrayed within the homes of plantations. Always doing costodial needs and wearing rags and such.
So by all means I'm glad they took this out.
And it VERY offensive and humiliating! Esp for children.
i think this is fukin hilarious lol! im blak and im cool wid this. this is disney which was wel known for discrimination in the past to all kinds of peeps. the past makes the present not the future. chil peeps and get over it. the world is lot better place for diversity compared to 100 years ago. even 20 years ago.
@dragonstick18 Yea, but it's still depressing for some of us, a black girl as the servant to some stuck-up Aryan bitch I see Hitler's influence in much in Walt's old films.
Walt supported Hitler's ideals I know for a fact he did not like Jews and he only made the Anti-Nazi films so it looked good for his company and we were at war.
Walt was very much racist, sorry to break it to you people.
@FenrirSkollXxXLuna please stop being a catalyst to rumors and propaganda you don't know are true. everyone has heard those rumors, but don't go parading them as fact. i think this was just a matter of exploitation that was prevalent in the early 20th century and earlier. there was racial pride and ignorance of others which no doubt contributed to the stereotypical portrayals of blacks, asians, etc. anyway, it wouldn't lessen his impact on the animation industry.
UNCLE POPCORN!! NOOOOOO!
ThousanWhite 2 months ago
it was rather ridiculus that this scen was cut when they allowed bachauses servinds to be remain intact,Why ? they were attractive, that was the excuse.How hypocritcal
mikemcgee 2 months ago
@mikemcgee They were attractive, so they fit in. In the other scene she is the ONE centaur that is ugly and exaggerated, which, imo, jolted the viewing experience, unlike Bachaus's servents, who pretty much reflected ancient Greece, while the one centaur reflected american racism.
TheNapoleonnerd 1 month ago
@TheNapoleonnerd I think shes cute O.o
LyeLye 1 month ago
You guys should check out the super sexy black centaurs about 5 minutes later into the clip, because they blow the other centaurs out of the water!!!
MoonlightPlaylist 3 months ago
Not cool that the studio even thought about putting a Black servant in their movie. Man, and they made her ugly too. Back then, they always overdid it with the lips. I'm glad they later made an adorable girl like Tiana.
SirenSima 3 months ago
@SirenSima check out Bauchas's servents later in the film. Yeah, they're servents, but they're pretty servents.
TheNapoleonnerd 1 month ago
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white people are firewood for the hellfire
SeanX503 4 months ago
@7Chutzpah trololol :P
nelumvia 4 months ago
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@nelumvia
hehe not really...
niggers are vermin
7Chutzpah 4 months ago
This is why I work for studio Gibli
Kalbeflow 4 months ago
I personally think sunflower is super cute
MaddyRoxzLife 5 months ago
wow....that was racist, whats with all the white trash in the comments section being all racist and stupid?
Aranel1200 5 months ago
@Aranel1200 "white trash", how about you being a racist?
foobarbe 4 months ago
@foobarbe I'm a disgruntled white man who is expressing how disappointed he is of his fellow white folk, i think a white person -or any race for that matter- who thinks of himself or herself as a higher being based purely on their skin tone, is trash, white or not.
Aranel1200 4 months ago
@Aranel1200 You think that because you are white you are free to insult your fellow white people without being an anti-white racist?
The thing is, calling someone "white trash" is racist, regardless your skin color.
And by the look of things, it was unnecessary, which also makes you a raging folk.
foobarbe 4 months ago
ignorance ...
prototype1101 5 months ago
why should we censor the truth?
kids today are going to find it anyway
Look at detroit.
7Chutzpah 5 months ago
@7Chutzpah ur an ugly pimpled face retard.it doesnt even bother me u just called me a negress.I wish i had dark skin and nice big lips.its a compliment cause it means black in spanish LOL.but u r fuking lazy,probably cant even wear bikini u look so nasty, fat ass.if u got some sun too u will be a negro too stupid dam f*k.but ur so f**ing lazy u probably dont get up from ur couch to get some sun.shedding skin all over like a freaking liguana.all u do is sit on ur couch,lazy fat piece of lard!
sweetangelofpeace 5 months ago
@sweetangelofpeace So you wish you were not what you are?
How miserable your life must be.
foobarbe 4 months ago
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sweetangelofpeace 5 months ago
@sweetangelofpeace
thats what im talking about
fear your jewish master, uppity beast
7Chutzpah 5 months ago
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@7ChutzpahYou are just another usual, typical ignorant racist trash coward hiding behind a computer screen without any uploaded films of himself with little to no info talking racist sh!t cause you're not man enough to handle the real world and won't /can't do anything about it. You solve your racist hatred by posting insults online because your life is fuked up and gives you a false sense of security. You're a fuking nobody retard.
sweetangelofpeace 5 months ago
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sweetangelofpeace 5 months ago
@sweetangelofpeace
hahaha run nigger run.
7Chutzpah 5 months ago
The female centaur is HOT!
Da666ManIsBak 5 months ago
ROTFLMAO!
TheMrgoku1985 6 months ago
All 3 scenes have been edited into 1 w/audio fixed.
Guernicaman 6 months ago
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kev95 6 months ago 5
@kev95 That's a poor argument. You should do some research on 'black face' and other racial stereotypes found in such examples as the Uncle Remus stories. These stereotypes carried over to a lot of early Disney and Warner Brothers cartoons. Also, do yourself a favor and type 'Jim Crow Laws' in Google search.
SamiasCaesar 6 months ago
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kev95 6 months ago
@SamiasCaesar I know about them, rather hard not to, but my question is would you object to the roles being reversed?
kev95 6 months ago
@kev95 It wouldn't make sense if the roles were reversed in that particular era. I'm certain Disney would be ostracized by his audience for reversing those roles. The fact is, this short scene was deliberate. It was intended to yet again make black people appear foolish and content with racial oppression. It was the worst kind of subliminal message - one that many children probably laughed at.
SamiasCaesar 6 months ago
@SamiasCaesar i just laughed when i saw it in 2011 XD
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sweetangelofpeace 5 months ago
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sweetangelofpeace 5 months ago
@kev95
should someone objects by watching surreal paintings?
you can reverse the order but it will not make any sense to anyone, including niggers
7Chutzpah 5 months ago
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@kev95 You know as well as anyone that, considering the historical context that would never be and clearly is not the case, thereby invalidating your hypothetical.
RocketRaccon3040 3 months ago
@RocketRaccon3040 And then of course, is the ongoing discussion over the definition of what racism is. You ought to clarify that as well; do you see it as institutional dominion or any act of overt racial prejudice?
RocketRaccon3040 3 months ago
And yes, I am black. And yes, I find this clip painfully depressing in the way it reinforces a racially stratified caste system.
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@kev95 what if this... what if that... blah, blah, blah,
the fact is its not.
turnbacktime 3 months ago
@kev95 - .....Depends. If the white servant was short, dumpy and wanted to do nothing but please his tall, elegant, black masters, then yes.
MegaSuperOreo 3 months ago 7
@kev95 This was obviously intended to be racism and offensive in the time period it was created. Please stop talking foolishness.
whateverman181 3 months ago
@kev95 How fucking stupid can one person sound with one single comment? You sir, have raised the bar. And the fact you got 5 likes proves rednecks travel in packs.
KuzinAvi 3 months ago
Whilst I understand that this could just be a conspiracy, I do ask myself: "Doesn't it seem odd that Sunflower a noticeably less valued character and the only black centaur? I mean, she's a black slave to all of the beautiful, tall, graceful centaurs who are, ha ha, WHITE." Hmm, not sure what decision to make. Despite this, I don't believe in all of that subliminal crap that people claim Disney adds into their films anyway. I watched Disney loads when I was little and I'm not brain-washed. XD!
LondoninColouredRain 6 months ago
@dkupke
I believe it's deliberate. I mean, this isn't the only racist thing he's created as you've probably seen...
KibahinaxSasuino 6 months ago
This part of the Pastoral symphony was something that should NEVER have been made in the first place. I'm white, and yes, I understand that this was during a time where making fun of a certain race was considered OK, but even I see that things like this can actually hurt people's feelings, and that, in turn, creates even more animosity and hatred between two races. I'm so tired of seeing people think that other people are the devil. We need to end the cycle of hatred, or it will destroy us all.
Anathar88 6 months ago
@Anathar88 We should be allowed to make fun of ANY race. If we aren't then it means fascism. And as we know, fascism is something to be eradicated.
People obsessed with races are the racists.
foobarbe 4 months ago
@foobarbe Ok granted, facsism IS something to be eradicated, but how the fuck does not being allowed to make fun of other races lead to us to be facsist?
The point I was making a month ago was, if Disney was gonna end up cutting shit out of Fantasia, why even put it there in the first place?
Anathar88 4 months ago
@Anathar88 because it was a different world back then, not something we are proud of, but that's the way it was nonetheless. Once they grew out of that mindset they took it out, realizing how awful it was. They were raised that way, sadly, you can't put all the blame on them.
bowden589 3 months ago 2
I can see why people would be offended-the character is a pretty obvious racial stereotype. But I think we also need to remember the time at which this was made and the context in which it was placed. I highly doubt Walt Disney set out to deliberately insult anyone with this scene. And we should probably bare in mind that one tiny fact that ITS JUST A FREAKING CARTOON!
dkupke 6 months ago
i think everyone's missing the point here. yeah, by removing the black characters they're basically saying: there's room for Negroes in their perfect "white" world unless they're slaves. Why am i not offended? they thought it was cute to fuck horses and breed with them. Black people need to disassociate themselves from this movie as much as possible.
teeluvsjazzy04 7 months ago
"THE WHITE RACE IS THE DEVIL" - ELIJAH MUHAMMAD
SeanX503 7 months ago
@SeanX503 The devil is over a billion people. The more you know.
lobsterwithwings 7 months ago
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@SeanX503 Do you truly believe that? If you don't, why even mention it? If you do, then I feel sorry for you.
Anathar88 6 months ago
@SeanX503 Shut up you fucking racist prick.
foobarbe 4 months ago
@exposed97 YA DON'T SAY!? TELL ME MORE.
anobouzuga 7 months ago
OH LAWDY.
KaminaDies 8 months ago
eh, i'm black but honestly i'm not all that offended at this, i wish she wasn't making such a ridiculous face though. i'm more upset about the last part with the devil/satan thing, used to scare the crap out of me as a kid
otaku2otaku 8 months ago
When people ask me if I'm racist, I say, "Well, I do hate some black people, but just the same as I hate some white people."
CharlieBoneOurSeries 8 months ago
God damn some people are dumb. This was NORMAL back then. African-Americans shined shoes when this was made, because nobody would give them any good jobs. That's just the way it was.
breadbug13 8 months ago
Brilliant!!
xfrangellicax 8 months ago
Why should we censor this? Children should know how insensitive and socially destructive we were back then. The youth will never learn if everything is censored into looking like the last 100 years were just peaches n' cream.
SoundsOfAndromeda 9 months ago 21
@SoundsOfAndromeda The problem is, white people aren't going to learn anything from leaving a scene like this in the movie because it doesn't explain anything, and black people are going to be reminded of the pain and suffering they've gone through when they would otherwise just be watching a fun movie.
SyeraMiktayee 6 months ago
@SyeraMiktayee the thing is i don't think a white kid is going to notice and isame for a black kid unless there mom or dad points it out and then thay can explain i mean im black and i watched this as a kid and did not notices untell now
boomdoom5 6 months ago
@boomdoom5 I wasn't necessarily talking about younger children, but rather people who are old enough to have to deal with racism and know enough about their history to know that the significance of what's shown in this clip isn't good.
Also, are you sure you saw this particular clip when you were a kid? The scenes with Sunflower, as Disney called her, were cut out in the late 60's because people complained about the racism.
SyeraMiktayee 6 months ago
@SoundsOfAndromedaI am not sure if u have ever been around kids,but kids dont discuss history when they are w/ each other.They discuss which horse was the prettiest and which ones were the ugly ones. what do u think will happen to the little black girls watching this? white girls will pick on them everyday telling them they are ugly. Please, be realistic. This cartoons were done to praise the white race.No wonder black women have so many issues with their image,thanks to cartoons like this one
sweetangelofpeace 5 months ago
@Darklord0211
Riiiiight..."inferior". Is that what you really think? Seems like it's you who's living under a rock these days.
So yeah....get off MissArielMarie's tail and go crack some history books. If those are too "old school" for you, then search googles out stuff on Famous blacks and inventors and such things like that. There's a lot. They are not inferior, we are all the same.
MizuUchiha 9 months ago
@MizuUchiha "we are all the same" except that some are black, others aren't. Your sentences is so stupid, dumb and meaningless that it makes you seem pathetic.
foobarbe 4 months ago
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@foobarbe "Your sentences is so stupid, dumb and meaningless that it makes you seem pathetic."
Grammar please."Sentences are" and also stupid/dumb pretty much mean the same thing. When I said "we are all the same" I mean we are all human beings who strive to survive and coexist with each other. My argument is valid, not "stupid, dumb and meaningless" as you put it.
Would you kindly buzz off?
MizuUchiha 3 months ago
I'm tired of this racist bull shit, its like a mental illness, in the end we are all human.
TuSeMorta13 9 months ago
That people here are laughing about this shows that people don't know how bad racism is. It was especially bad back in the day when "Fantasia" was made and shown.
How the black girl in the scene is shown was how a lot of people thought of African Americans back in the day. They thought of them as ugly, dirty and stupid and it was hurtful to a lot of people.
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
@Bluebelle9289
Just because some people can "brush it off" now, doesn't mean others still don't find it hurtful and those people's feelings should be respected and taken into consideration. You should also try putting yourself in the shoes of African Americans who lived during the Civil Rights movement and take into consideration how they felt when they saw this kind of imagery as the face of African Americans. It's not a nice feeling.
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 Or into the shoes of an African American today. There's still so much racism that goes on it's mind-boggling.
SyeraMiktayee 6 months ago
@SyeraMiktayee
Racism and sexism. The racism seemed to pick up during the news of the London riots.
Bluebelle9289 6 months ago
Where did you get the footage for this?
TatsuraJ 10 months ago
OH HELL NO!!! these motherfuckers were fucking racist as hell!!!! >:(
halifaxx55 10 months ago
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iCharlie94 10 months ago
BUM MUCHERS
callumnen 11 months ago
This movie wasn't the same without sunflower, i mean, it really wasn't. Because the third scene that showed her screwed the entire movies sound and made it completely out of sync.
Joemamma69000 11 months ago
@Joemamma69000
How is it out of sync?
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 You watch it, cut, to see for yourself.
Joemamma69000 10 months ago
@Joemamma69000
I've watched it. I have the move "Fantasia" on DVD and I still don't see how the film is out of sync.
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 Is it cut? (As in no sunflower)
Joemamma69000 10 months ago
@Joemamma69000
Yes. I grew up in the 90's. I didn't know about Sunflower till a few months ago. Even so, I still don't see how the film is out of sync.
They didn't cut the scenes with Sunflower completely out though. They just did some zooming in so you don't see when Sunflower and the other small black centaurs come out.
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 Some prints were edited so badly that the sound went out of sync for the rest of the film. Chances are you might not have that copy.
Joemamma69000 10 months ago
@Joemamma69000
Maybe.
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
so glad they got rid of this, and no, you shouldn't be "cool" with this. racism is never ok, no matter what race is involved. and just because one black guy says he's cool with it doesn't make it okay. no it's great that this kind of crud is gone so future generations of really young impressionable children get the message that we are all equal early on.
tavigal 11 months ago
Uck! Makes me sick!
baileiso000 11 months ago
@baileiso000 What? you don't like cute little black girls in Disney films?
Joemamma69000 11 months ago
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@Joemamma69000 Not what I meant
baileiso000 11 months ago
Whenever there's a servant, and they aren't white, it has to be racist. Those are the rules.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 it's not that the servant isn't white, it's that none of the girls are black. the servant is small and diminutive (yet still a woman, so why is she not included in the dress-up session?) while the beautiful tall white centaurs are being groomed for the suitors by her
tavigal 11 months ago
@tavigal lol... technically not all the centaurs are white... I saw some blue/green/red ones.... |D
showerpwner 11 months ago
@showerpwner yet...depicted as white. don't try to justify this sickness.
KatarraParson 11 months ago
@KatarraParson you're an obvious troll; go back to school. If you were so against racism you wouldn't have an icon of a white micheal jackson. ;x Btw, he was sexier when he was black, haha.
showerpwner 11 months ago
@showerpwner LMAO! your stupidity is so ridiculous that I find it hilarious. Go back to school? Troll? (name calling is so chidish). Wow, it seems like you suffer from what I call "idiocy, ignorance, and no life disease". I suggest u get some help. And please for the love of God don't have any kids. You prove yourself as ignorant already saying MJ was a "white icon". I won't even get into that. And going on my page seems stalkerish doesn't it? So low and immature. PS: He was always black.
KatarraParson 11 months ago
@KatarraParson Actually you're stupid, cuz I can see your icon when you comment me. :) I wouldn't want to visit a troll's page, because they are the ones with no life. They go to videos on youtube, and try to start flame wars by bringing up unnecessary comments about race, animal abuse, etc. You're ignorant by only seeing one opinion as being right and make rude comments about people with ideas that differ from your own. have a nice, one-sided life. :)
showerpwner 11 months ago
@showerpwner LMAO! You're 2 funny. U just contradicted your very own words. I simply made a comment and U started arguing like the "troll" U are. There's no other idea to this, except the fact that it is racist. N your comments were NOT ideas, they were judgements. Oh, here's a lil' vocab. lesson for yah! :) Ignorant- unknowing, lacking knowledge, unaware. Hmm, who does that sound like? You, of course. Have a nice, ignorant (remember this word), oblivious to the real world, life. : D bye bye
KatarraParson 11 months ago
@KatarraParson
There are black centaurs featured later on briefly. They look nothing like the black girl in the scene here.
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
its rare that I am surprised by animation, but this seemed just random racism for the sake of it
butchdeadlift10 1 year ago
WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?
PeaceChick1097 1 year ago
Anyone trying to argue that this isn't racist is an ignorant and culturally-unaware loon.
However, I do believe there should be an uncut version. As a black female, I have read plenty of books that use the "N" word and other racial slurs and have been very careful in remembering the context of the work as I did so. That’s really the trick to enjoying classic works with some racial undertones: you have to be a little more objective and a little less personal.
MissArielMarie 1 year ago 29
@MissArielMarie
Wow stop copying in pasting this to all the videos. lighten up.
Quzina 1 year ago
@Quzina
Wait, so because I post this to two videos, I must be posting this to all the videos?
And you tell me to lighten up because I'm trying to tell people not to get so riled up about these scenes?
Did you even read the comment?
MissArielMarie 1 year ago
@MissArielMarie Good for you. KBO.
Nikifuj908 11 months ago
@Nikifuj908
Thanks ;)
MissArielMarie 11 months ago
@MissArielMarie just because blacks are lesser creatures then whites, dont make it racist.
TheDarklord0211 9 months ago
@TheDarklord0211
Right. You keep telling yourself that.
MissArielMarie 9 months ago
@MissArielMarie And you keep feeling like everyone who is not black is stalking you.
TheDarklord0211 9 months ago
@TheDarklord0211
Because that makes sense. Do you even know what you're talking about?
MissArielMarie 9 months ago
@MissArielMarie OMG U RACISST!
its all you retards can say.
TheDarklord0211 9 months ago
@TheDarklord0211
"It's" dear. "It's". And I don't know what you're talking about and you're clearly mistaken as well. Let's be careful who we call "retards" shall we?
MissArielMarie 9 months ago
@MissArielMarie You've gone off the whole racist thing to try to make fun of my grammar.
YOU'VE BEEN TROLLED, BITCH!
hahaha, blacks are so fucking stupid.
TheDarklord0211 9 months ago
@TheDarklord0211
I was never "on" the "racist thing" so no, I haven't, because I still don't know what you're talking about. I never called anyone racist.
MissArielMarie 9 months ago
@MissArielMarie Well put. I personally feel it is far more offensive for them to try and deny that they ever did anything of this sort than to openly admit that yes, they did, an it was a different time-if nothing else the original should be preserved for it's artistic value, as the editing they used to remove the bits with the Sunflower character ruined not only the animation, but in several spots the music, which causes it to jump around.
Nyghtshade409 7 months ago
@Nyghtshade409
Well at least someone on here has a bit of sense. TasteForDisaster here is acting like a crazy person.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie When the subject of racism comes up, a lot of people tend to act a bit crazy. It's rather sad.
Nyghtshade409 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie don't pretend like you black people didn't hate white folks. although i couldn't blame you since a lot of idiots kept you people slaves n' all. why does such a word even exist? seriously, but i guess it's kinda worse in my town, there are only 2 black kids so everyone basically says nigger freely. principle over heard it a few times and doesn't' even seem to care. don't u people call us "crackers"? i find that equally offensive.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
You're a dumbass. Short and sweet.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie your a fucking bitch, short and true.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
1. It's "you're."
2. What you said made no sense whatsoever in the context of my comment. That's why you're a dumbass.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie
1.this is the internet you grammar nazi. it's much quicker to type "your" then "you're" seeing how you'd understand the context.
2. you offended me, so i offended you back.
that's why your another dumbass bitch who contributes nothing to the world.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
Nothing I said was offensive. I didn't say white people were evil or wrong or anything. You're just a dumbass.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie you said "your a dumbass" which offended me. just shut the fuck up already, your a waste of my time.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
You talked to me with a barely legible comment spewing offensive and accusing nonsense. *You're* a waste of my time.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie so your a grammar nazi too?
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
It's not a grammar issue. You didn't even make any sense. That was just me being snide.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie no, that was you just acting like a bitch again. saying "your" is much more conveniant then saying "you're" it saves 2 characters, and everyone will understand.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
1. Your original comment made no sense, but you refuse to acknowlege that. It's borderline hilarious.
2. My comment is the one with 21 likes. You need to get over yourself.
3. Only dumb people makes stupid excuses for being dumb.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie hmm, i just read that first comment i made, don't remember typing that, it was either my brother, or i wasn't sober, it looks like a skipped a few sentences, i started talking about the word "nigger" without even stating it. I don't know why you gotta get your pathetic little brain all worked up over this, racism has always existed, and always will, get over it.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
Yeah. I'm sure it was your brother. I concede that you're just stupid. You must be considering I wasn't getting worked up over racism. In fact, my original comment indicated the opposite. Yours, if anything, showed a lot more racial outrage than mine did.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie you said that this video was racist, what are you talking about? you were getting worked up over stupid racism.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
You need to pick up a dictionary and learn to read. I did say the video was racist. Because it is. However, I also explained that this was a time period thing and then I said: "That’s really the trick to enjoying classic works with some racial undertones: you have to be a little more objective and a little less personal."
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
Identifying something as racist isn't "getting worked up". I made it very clear I was not offended by the video.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie what's the point of identifying something which has already been identified?
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
Because some people seem to think that it's not racist? Therefore, I made it clear that it was, however, it was a different time. Regardless, I've already debunked your point. Please go back to your rock.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie to my rock? what do you mean by that? are you being racist? are you saying we live in rocks? shut the fuck up you nigger!!!!! you racist piece of shit!!!! yea i called you a nigger, cause your fucking provoking me, you dumbass bitch!!
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
That's a snippet of American genius right there. How about you turn it down 10 notches and stop making us all look incompetent, kay?
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@MissArielMarie english isn't my mother tongue. i wouldn't want to be from the states, bunch of lazy fat asses who have nothing better to do but eat MacDonalds and shit their pants. your seriously a fucking idiot for thinking that everyone on youtube is from the u.s.
TasteForDisaster 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster
You just went from annoying to hilarious.
MissArielMarie 7 months ago
@TasteForDisaster You'd have to be retarded not to see how blatantly racist this scene is.
kwame700 6 months ago
@kwame700 you know, I don't really care about racism anymore, I'm not taking any part in it, instead of those idiot "complaining" why don't they actually do something. as long as my family is safe, I don't give a fuck about racism.
TasteForDisaster 6 months ago
Do you realize that in a LOT of movies (cartoon or otherwises) blacks tend to be portrayed as doing more "low class" or subservient jobs like janitors, servants, maids, hair dressers, trash collectors, etc. No not as slaves as that would be considered going to far, however the payed-jobs blacks are often shown doing are based on these stereotypes (which still does seem racist). So no this cartoon (even this banned part) doesn't seem too far away from mainstream entertainment.
BankaiIchigo12345 1 year ago
LOL OMG!!! i can't believe this! lol
makinitus 1 year ago
At least they had sense enough TO delete, whereas some would leave it in and then defend it. `~`
breaksystembse 1 year ago
@breaksystembse
the fact that this footage was sketched, inked,painted AND ALMOST PUT IN is an abomination toward man, let alone the fact you can still find this footage in nearly mint condition but that's my opinion
KanameTousen 1 year ago
Really, how is this racist at all? It wasn't uncommon to have handmaids do this sort of thing in the middle ages. Just palette swap the 'offending' centaur with a shade of blue or green or something and everything would be fine.
nWoStyle 1 year ago
@nWoStyle Lol, it wouldn't actually. As long as the racist features would be kept the same, people would notice. It's not just that the black centaur was a servant, it's also that he/she? was also portrayed as goofy and unattractive (with the stereotypical black face features that used to be popular back then). Furthermore, this clip isn't based in the middle ages...it's fantasy.
strtthshw 1 year ago
@nWoStyle Okay so some black girl with big pink lips, and braids sticking out on the sides of her head following a white half horse/human isn't racist. You sir my youtube commenter are blinded.
iCharlie94 10 months ago
@nWoStyle
It's the way they drew her. Not that she's serving a white centaur.
Bluebelle9289 10 months ago
I think It's kinda fun, but OFFENSIVE also! I mean... I'm not black, but I can hardly stand it, and I guess I wouldn't like my children to watch this... at least not without a previous explanation, lol.
Gina69 1 year ago
If you run this scene on a couple more seconds you would also see white children being servants to the centaurs. Is that racist too?
crazymaner2003 1 year ago
@crazymaner2003 It depends
SlyGlacier 1 month ago
WTF? When I consider the time (1941) it makes sense.
LinesOfNines 1 year ago
That I racist as shit! Hahahaha! Disney oh boy
roidz17 1 year ago
Real smooth, Disney.
*PALM*
BLACKIESBOY 1 year ago
I think it's offensive to ban this in the first place-- Why not show how far we come in society that were no longer doin this? The fact where diending something from our history, and pretend it's not there is just as bad.
RobotMice 1 year ago
i honestly don't understand what's so bad about this. how is it racist to have a black person in the movie? i think it's more racist NOT to include any blacks
dazzle21girl 1 year ago
@dazzle21girl it's the fact that the girl is drawn as a pickaninny caricature from the days of black face, and that unlike the other centaurs who are getting ready to find love, she is only seen as a hoof polishing lowly hand maid.
lilkiki141 1 year ago
@dazzle21girl
Well you have to consider the year this was made and I know racisim unfortunately is still around but I know in the yea to which this was made, its quite offensive!
Given the sterotype image being made. As to slave ownership; african american women are always portrayed within the homes of plantations. Always doing costodial needs and wearing rags and such.
So by all means I'm glad they took this out.
And it VERY offensive and humiliating! Esp for children.
Wolfsstare 1 year ago
the 2000 version is horrible, beacuse shes cutout, the music dosent match
Marxeen 1 year ago
are these scenes in the dvd release??
1mnmfan 1 year ago
i think this is fukin hilarious lol! im blak and im cool wid this. this is disney which was wel known for discrimination in the past to all kinds of peeps. the past makes the present not the future. chil peeps and get over it. the world is lot better place for diversity compared to 100 years ago. even 20 years ago.
dragonstick18 1 year ago 75
@dragonstick18 Well said.
tcstille 1 year ago
@dragonstick18 Yea, but it's still depressing for some of us, a black girl as the servant to some stuck-up Aryan bitch I see Hitler's influence in much in Walt's old films.
Walt supported Hitler's ideals I know for a fact he did not like Jews and he only made the Anti-Nazi films so it looked good for his company and we were at war.
Walt was very much racist, sorry to break it to you people.
FenrirSkollXxXLuna 1 year ago
@FenrirSkollXxXLuna please stop being a catalyst to rumors and propaganda you don't know are true. everyone has heard those rumors, but don't go parading them as fact. i think this was just a matter of exploitation that was prevalent in the early 20th century and earlier. there was racial pride and ignorance of others which no doubt contributed to the stereotypical portrayals of blacks, asians, etc. anyway, it wouldn't lessen his impact on the animation industry.
NoellVague 11 months ago
@dragonstick18 Dude that's great man. What you said gained you my respect as a person in general. Thank you.
TedLeatherJacket 1 year ago