I thought Garrosh was gonna be killed either by Sylvannus or Vol' Jin but after hearing the Panda Bear announcement who the hell knows what's gonna happen.
I don't see what all the fuss is about! She is simply recycling dead bodies Lol she's not exactly going to do what the Lich King did and send them trampling through Azeroth is she?
I sell a civil war in the horde in the not to distant future. I think Garrosh will try to ran sack the horde and steal it from Thrall when he comes back, Garrosh has already killed a horde leader, told off 2 other horde leaders, and killed the other ones father. He's screwed when the new and all powerful Thrall returns.
i think thats the first time i've heard 'bitch' said in the game. Garrosh is usually an ass, but he's smart in this one. Sylvanas has always been a bitch.
well you all know that the forsaken can not have da babies and that they originaly came for regaining control over them self after the LK left lorderon so inorder for the forsake to continue exsistin as a whole they have to be brought back
@andron47 But she's not suggesting bringing back fallen Forsaken. She's suggesting raising the bodies of fallen enemies. EXACTLY what the Lich King did. Sylvanas basically wants to bolster her ranks the same way Arthas bolstered his. The only difference is that these new Forsaken will have free will - though I reckon any who don't wish to be loyal to her will just be killed a second time. Don't get me wrong, I love Sylvanas she's a great character. But she IS starting to follow his path.
Guys have yall noitced what Garrosh is doing....he kicked out the trolls and Vol'jin is done, He pissed off Sylvanas, shes done, he killed taruen leader, their done, and the blood elfs, he just doesnt like them period, hes going to be the downfall of the Horde.
@Tensho14 Varian's flaw is that he's VERY short-sighted. He's so obsessed with war that he let his own people suffer for it. Had there not been so many homeless flooding Westfall, the Defias reemerging never would have worked because they would never have found so much support. The Ulduar trailer's another example. Any talks fall apart the moment Varian sees Garrosh and he refuses to aid in any way. Not realizing Saron would have eventually threatened SW. Neither appear to be very good rulers
IF i was Sylvanas i would've taken an arrow and friggin shot garrosh in the back of his friggin neck and let the forsaken gnaw on his bones for callinger her a bitch.... i HATE the horde i mean HATE but he is a dick.... wit a small head
@RaGeRDaT sylvanyas is really a bitch now... she only cares about the scourge many people see garrosh has an brainless murderer but he is a wise ruler, the grimtotem poisoned his wep he did the killing blow to cairne not on purpose but the grimtotemdid it on purpose then you guys say thrall is the best what are you going to do with a warchief befriending everyone? he eventually gets betrayed...
@realkndman Sylvanas needed to take the Horde, she has what it takes to rule, Garrosh is a midless warthirsty orc like his father, he only wants to kill alliance, he cares nothing of the actual problem and he only divides the horde more and more. Sylvanas NEEDS the val'kir thats the only way the horde will hold onto Northern lorderon since Garrosh only sent her a small fleet of reinforcements, Hes causing the horde to fall apart, and distrust and betrayal is so predominant (ex:1k needles chain)
@JacquesVontoui Well that is true, Garrosh ( i can't believe i'm going to say this) but he has a point. What is the difference between Sylvanas and the Lich King. I mean this is not a fair way of retrieving lands, no this is against everything the Horde and the Alliance stands for. In my humple opinion the only leader within the horde with a normal brain is Vol'jinn. He is the only one that can lead the Horde!! I think that is pretty obvious.
You are all saying how the horde is the baddies and that when u dont realise Varian is a bigger douche that Garrosh or any horde :D. plus The alliance didnt give the citizens time to escape taurojo do the questline. Not to say Horde havent done things also but i dont think the humans are honorable by any strech
@MegaWowification I completely agree with you. I actually think the Alliance is more evil than the Horde. I think the Alliance is more elitist and views the Horde races as inferior savages, aside from the Blood Elves. I see it as similar to the Pilgrims coming to America, where the Pilgrims are the Alliance and the Native Americans are the Horde. The Alliance just has a (justified) sense of superiority. They're "racists" lol. The Horde LOOKS evil, but I think the Alliance is more evil.
@TommyAK13 You lost your mind didn't you. Exept King Varian who is short-sighted all the leaders of the Alliance can lead there people like the supposed to do. While the horde is on the moment of death, Baine is not experienced enough, Garrosh also ( he is getting better, but he isn't a true warchief yet), Sylvanas has no life purpose anymore since the Lich King is dead, Lorthemar is a Blood-Elf those are outsiders anyway, Voljinn is the only one whith experience enough to lead the horde.
@TheRakanow "Evil" is an overstatement, but I definitely think the Alliance is the more arrogant/supremacist side, definitely more elitist. That's why I roll Alliance, because I like that. I would also compare it to Star Wars, where The Alliance is the Empire and the Horde are the rebels... or the wookies lol. It's for the same reason that I loved the Empire more than the rebels, that I love the Alliance more than the Horde. I just find the Horde to be dumb savages (besides the Blood Elves).
@TheRakanow and also besides the Forsaken. I think they're smart too. The only two Horde races I like are the Blood Elves and the Forsaken. I think the rest are dumb, savages. I really like Sylvanas and Kael. I wish Kael was still leading the Blood Elves and didn't side with Kil'Jaeden and turn into a wretched or a demon or whatever the hell he is.
It's truly amazing. You youtube commentators relive the conflict of the Alliance and the Horde in a simple comments section. Both sides say that they have right to the land and that the other side is the aggressor. No agreement can ever be reached and Horde and Alliance are doomed to fight for eternity.
Hi guys....question there , Sylvanas somehow said that the undead(forsaken) were unable to proquiate....why is that so? they were always able(since wc3) to take the death into their ranks...?
@bubabi Not really. Only a very small amount of undead who rose from the grave after WC3 had their minds intact and joined the Forsaken. And since udead cannot procreate through mating, using the val'kyr necromantic powers to increase the number of undead rising from the graves is the best and possibly only way to ensure a new generation of Forsaken.
@Ultimaton100 But how did tey became so huge in numbers? I mean Undercity and all those armies...plus the abomination ...they are creating those arent they?
And when you start a new undead character ..where are we comming from?
@bubabi The vast majority of Forsaken prior to Cataclysm were the Forsaken who were freed from the Scourge. A handful, infected with the plague of undeath like the others, rose from the grave later. This minority is where Forsaken players before Cataclysm came from. The Forsaken has considerably smaller numbers before Cataclysm, as evidenced by the orc guards in Undercity.
@bubabi Contrary to popular belief, the orc guards in the Undercity were not stationed there after the Wrathgate. They were in the city for some time before and their dialogue says "While the bulk of Forsaken troops are up in Northrend, the Warchief has sent us here to maintain the city's defense.". It shows the Forsaken had such a lack of numbers before they couldn't keep their capital defended while on the offensive without help.
@bubabi As for the abominations, those are created by sewing chunks of flesh, from both people and animals, together into a single big rotting golem. They aren't risen undead like the Forsaken themselves, but created from pieces of corpses and reanimated through science. As such, the corpses they are made from are just corpses, not risen undead.
and else do you think there will happen something to the forsaken? garrosh seems to build up a misstrust towards all the other horde faction leader...espescially sylvanas,
@bubabi I seriuosly doubt it. The Horde cannot afford to lose the Forsaken. Without the Forsaken, the Horde would lose their hold on Lordaeron and most of their other territory in the Eastern Kingdoms. They would lose the now massive Forsaken military as well, which would be a serious blow to Horde forces.
My point is, no one is forced to serve as Forsaken. It is a choice. A prime example of this is Galen Trollbane. He willingly joined the Forsaken after being risen because he knew his former comrades in Stromguarde would only see him as an aberration, not their prince. He sided with the only people who would accept him.
@Ultimaton100 Not all forsaken are given free will though and any forsaken with a brain knows that attacking former comrades will only confirm their thought s about you being a monster.
@Visser0x All Forsaken have free will. This has been proven. Blizzard has stated it and numerous quests back it up.They had no free will as part of the Scourge, but they do now. And it doesn't matter if Forsaken attack their former comrades or not. Eiether way, they will still be hated and hunted simply for being undead. That is a fact. Look at the Alliance and the Scarlet Crusade. And I played WC3. There is nothing at all of Sylvanas having mental powers.
@Ultimaton100 Their is, death knights were able to rejoin with their faction and they're dead, why not forsaken? sylvanas is a banshee she and her fellow banshees can posses people so for all we know banshees could be possing the new forsaken soilders.
@Visser0x Sylvanas is a banshee no longer. She posessed her corpse. She is now what Blizzard calls an unique undead. And if you play the new Forsaken starter quests, or the new Silverpine quests, it is shown, like here in this video, it is shown that the val'kyr raise new Forsaken. Forsaken are not posessed corpses, they are risen undead, like the Scourge. The difference is they can think for themselves.
@Visser0x The death knight arguement seems to hold little ground. The difference is the undead risen Forsaken have no means to rejoin their old nation. The Kingdom of Lordaeron is gone, destroyed in the Third War. They united under Sylvanas' leadership to reclaim their homeland from the Scourge and the Dreadlord undead. As for these new Forsaken, If they sought to rejoin the Alliance, they would be slaughtered. They side with their fellow undead, because they are accepted with them.
@Ultimaton100 Most of the death knights are humans from lorderon, they wouldn't be slaughered if they had gone and joined the argent dawn like leonid and its not like the din't give reasion to be feared and hunted they were killing there own people before they were redeamed, and sylvanas is making no effort to convince the humans that they are no longer monsters.
@Visser0x Actually, the majority of human death knights are from Stormwind. Only a few, like Thassarian, are from Lordaeron. And I believe the main reason Sylvanas and the Forsaken are not making an effort to prove they are not monsters to the Alliance is because, as shown in the Silverpine and Hillsbrad quests, the Alliance is trying to take their land from them. There is nothing practical in improving your image to invaders.
@Ultimaton100 after they joined the horde, so forsaken land = horde land they allaince just wants to get its peoples land back if the foresaken never joined the horde and worked on regaining the humans trust they would never try to "invade" their land, at the most they'd just rebuild it.
@Visser0x You have to understand the simple truth, no matter what the Forsaken do, they will always be hated and hunted by the Alliance. It is because the Alliance believes if you're undead, then you are evil and must die. And the vast majority of Lordaeron's former citizens are now Forsaken. The Alliance is not reclaiming any land for anyone, they are trying to conquer it for themselves.
@Ultimaton100 Not true argent dawn and the argent crusade both favored the allaince and still let the forsaken join their ranks, it wouldn't be hard to let the allaince know these are redeemed fosaken, the thing is they have to make an effort to change that image. Don't forget about the lordaeron citizens that escape with jainal, they're still alive and they are on the allaince, they should be able to return home, and the alliance plans to allow them to return.
@Visser0x Those few in the Argent Crusade are still despised by the Alliance. The only reason the Alliance hasn't tried to kill them is because they want to remain on good terms with the Crusade. And the Lordaeron citizens who escaped with Jaina are now citizens with Theramore. From what I've seen and read, they have no real desire to return home after spending years in Kalimdor. To them, Theramore is their home now.
@Ultimaton100 The allaince does not despise the undead crusaders they are the only undead that are redeemed in their eyes, they're not going around kill their former commrades.As for theramore who would want to return to a land that is cursed and full of HOSTILE undead? If the fosaken had worked with the alliance and allowed the alliance to rebuild lorderon then im 100% theramores people will be happy to return.
@Visser0x The Alliance does despise the Argent Crusade's undead. As shown by numerous Alliance personalities, including General Marcus Johnathan, the belief that all undead are evil and any good they do is a deception meant to fool the living is prevailant in the Alliance. This belief has only spread further amongst the Alliance since the return of King Varian.
@Visser0x Perhaps, but noit likely. As numerous lore sources have stated and shown, soon after the Forsaken were formed, they were attacked by the humans, all of whom mistook them for Scourge. This early conflict, caused by a lack of understanding, has led to the current Forsaken-Alliance war in Lordaeron.
@Ultimaton100 I recall the foresaken forming right after they killed the only humans who truested them in the slightest, they brought it on themselves.
@Visser0x You are speaking of WC3, I am speaking of comics showing what happened after. And besides, Garithos and his troops did not trust the Forsaken at all. Even if they had left them to rule Lordaeron, the humans would still hunt them. The Forsaken did not bring anything upon themselves. Rather, it is the Alliance bringing their losses in Lordaeron today on themselves.
@Ultimaton100 If they had not killed garithos and all his men then they would be able to agrue that they are redeemed undead and the arguement would still hold water, but no they only prooved that there was no such thing as redeemed forsaken.
@Visser0x Like I said, it doesn't matter if Garithos and his troops had been spared or not. Human bigotry and intolerance will always lead them to conflicts with other races who don't see eye to eye with them. No matter what, Alliance humans will always try to murder all undead until they are stopped.
@Ultimaton100 Not true the humans in argent dawn and the argent crusade are very tolerant of the undead in their ranks, the fact the forsaken attack someone they made a promise to displays them as monsters, if Garithos had attempted to kill sylvanas then maybe then would the forsaken have a reasion to join the horde, but she attacked him first, killing all hopes of alliance trust towards them with him.
@Visser0x It is true, whether you admit it or not. The humans of the Alliance are argueably the most racist people in Warcraft. It is fact, the Alliance, no matter what the circumstance, will always look to destroy all undead. They seek to genocide the Forsaken and would certainly like to kill the undead in the Argent Crusade. The Argent Dawn is now defunct, reorganized into the Crusade. The Alliance, blind by its hatred of non-Alliance, is becoming as evil as the Burning Legion, in my opinion.
@Ultimaton100 No they only have a hate for the undead because they've been attacked by scourge undead and forsaken undead, so why should they think the forsake are some how better than the scourge? Arthas and Sylvannas are sitting side by side in the mind of people who lost their family to the scrouge and the forsaken.
@Visser0x The only thing the Forsaken and the Scourge have in common is that they are both undead. The Scourge seek to destroy ALL life. The Forsaken only seek to destroy those who would do them harm. The Scourge enslaves undead, while the Forsaken serve by choice. The two groups are very different.
@Ultimaton100 Both the scourge and the forsaken attack unprovoked, both the scourge and the forsaken have caused harm to the horde and the alliance, both disturb the dead, and both have work to accomplish dark deeds.
@Visser0x The Forsaken have never attacked the Horde, and the Forsaken attacked the Alliance to answer the Alliance's aggression. The Forsaken respect the dead, and treat each other like brothers, as said by Blizzard. The Scourge disturb the dead and use them as slaves. The Scourge's evil is unprovoked, while Forsaken evil is caused by the hate and intolerance of others.
@Ultimaton100 Forsaken attacked the horde at the wrathgate, forsaken attacked the alliance first so of course they're going to hate them and be intolerant.
@Visser0x The Forsaken did not cause the tragedy at the Wrathgate, as I grow tired of explaining. What Putress did was of his own accord. He and his master were traitors to the Forsaken. Also, this is the last time I am saying this, because I have told you over and over, even if the Forsaken had not attacked the Alliance first, they would still be bitter enemies. The Alliance would have eventually attacked the Forsaken regardless, because they hate all undead.
@Ultimaton100 They may not have been sylvanna's forsaken but they were forsaken. Putress was a forsaken exstremist, but still forsaken, alliance only hates people who attack them unprovoked.
@Visser0x Putress was not just an extremist, he was a traitor, who would have been executed for his crime like Varimathras had the Alliance not killed him first. And really? The Alliance only hates those who attack them unprovoked? Look at what they are doing in the Southern Barrens. Invading a foreign territory that isn't theirs for no reason other than the fact they want to destroy the Horde, which makes them the aggressor.
@Visser0x A little town full of innocent, unarmed men women and children. Its buildings burned to the ground and people massacred, and the Alliance dares to call what they do justice? Did the families who were butchered there provoke the human and dwarf soldiers who hacked them to pieces? No, they didn't.
@Ultimaton100 If your referring to stratholme then tell me what else were they supposed to do? the undead were controlled by the scourge and attack on sight, taking the lives of few to attempt to save many is an act of justice.
@Visser0x I am reffering to Taurajo. It is like the Horde's Alamo now. A rallying cry to bring an end to the Alliance's reign of terror. Human and dwarf soldiers hacked innocent unarmed tauren and orc men, women, and children to pieces or burned them alive. That was not justice. That was a massacre.
@Visser0x Can you really defend such an act of outright murder? And to add insult to injury, the Alliance troops looted the town's ruins and mistreated the corpses of their victims.
@Visser0x It is alot different from Southshore. That town was a supply port and military staging ground for the Alliance military. And there were ALOT more survivors there than at Taurajo. Taurajo was just a small hunter camp. Hardly relevant to the war at all. Southshore was a battle. Taurajo was a massacre.
@Ultimaton100 Taurajo is were they'd train horde soilders, its them same there was less survivors in taurajo because it was unexspected, Tarren mill isn't far from southshore. But unlike Taurajo the dead arent being raised as ghouls.
@Visser0x There aren't any dead humans being risen as ghouls in Southshore. What happened at the Sludge Fields, those ghouls were not created from human prisoners. The insane warden turned his own guards into ghouls. The Sludge Fields was intended to be just a prison camp, and when the insane warden's true workings were revealed, he was executed. The Alliance didn't bother to try and take the people of Taurajo prisoner. They just killed them.
@Ultimaton100 I saw a southshore farmer ghoul. Atleast the dead in Taurajo are resting in peace and not being raised, and at least taurajo can be taken back, southshore not so much.
@Visser0x There are no Southshore farmer ghouls. All the dead from Southshore, which isn't much as alot of them survived, are resting in the ground. What the Alliance did at Taurajo was unforgiveable. Such a complete act of unprovoked violence. The butchering of little children cannot be called justice.
@Ultimaton100 considering all the alliance has been through taurajo is just a wine stain, compared to what the horde did to gilneas,ashenvile,south shore, and the hillsbrad fields. So it is justice.
@Visser0x You actually approve of the slaughter of families? The murder of little children? That is just wrong in so many ways. The Horde has never gone out of their way to murder innocents, but the Alliance did just that at Taurajo. They werent attacking Taurajo for tactical reasons. They wanted revenge. The Alliance was mad that they lost on several fronts and decided to take it out on a vulnerable town while its best defenders were away. It was not justice. It was cold-blooded murder.
@Ultimaton100 Oh that bombing of thal'darah grove city tottally wasn't the hordes doing, And I guess all those dryads that where killed defending the balance of nature din't mean jack, and there is no way there could be families, and children in southshore and hillsbrad. Taurajo isn't a tactical area? is it not the settlement closest to thunderbluff? a horde capital?
@Visser0x The bombing of Thal'darah Grove was done by an extremist who Garrosh executed. He was acting of his own accord. And all the dryads I've seen killed were using nature to attack the Horde. And the vast majority of the people in Southshore and Hillsbrad escaped. And Taurajo was not in a tactical position at all. That is just a crude excuse that was used to massacre innocents. The Horde understands how to fight with honor, while the Alliance fights only to feed their lust for domination.
@Visser0x I'm sorry, but the fact that you can defend the Alliance's murder of innocents is really sickening. All the supposed proof of Horde war crimes you have presented me with thus far are flawed. They were caused by extremist and insane minds that do not represent the Horde's intentions, and you have left out important facts. For example, while the dryads are trying to preserve nature, the are doing so while attacking the orcs. Any dryad deaths by orcs have been in self-defense.
@Visser0x Just accept the truth. The Alliance is guilty of war crimes, including a terrible massacre. There is no shame in admiting your side has done wrong.
@Visser0x The Horde admits when it is wrong. I admit it too. But the Alliance has done wrong as well and refuses to aknowledge it. Admit it. The Alliance is guilty. What they did at Taurajo was simply awful.
@Ultimaton100@Ultimaton100 closest camp to thunder bluff makes it a tatical position no matter how you slice it, horde extremist is still horde, dryads attacked the horde because they're destroying their homes. There are 3 alliance settlements in the area and only southshore had the most survivors most of whom are hiding in the forest from the forsaken. compared to every thing the horde has done Taurajo was nothing, the horde lost its honnor when thrall left.
@Visser0x Taurajo was nothing? The slaughter of entire familes, the butchering of little children was nothing?! The Horde has never done anything compared to the scale of that unprovoked massacre. The orcs are the victims in Ashenvale, the night elves are attacking them simply for wanting a better life. Look at the Alliance extremists. Look at that warmongering bigot of a king, Varian. The Horde has more honor than anyone in the Alliance ever will.
@Visser0x No matter how you word it, it is fact. Innocent, helpless people have been hacked and burned to death by Alliance killers. The Alliance started this war, Varian is a monster, and the heroes of the Horde will stop his madness eventually. When it comes to this war the Alliance started, the real forces of justice are the Horde's armies. How you can actually applaud the butchering of babies is something I don't want to understand.
@Visser0x The humans of Stormwind believe it is their right to slaughter and steal from anyone who doesn't agree with them, the dwarves of Ironforge think it is okay to butcher people and drive them from their lands so they can blow it all up in the name of science, the night elves think its good to murder anyone who harms a plant, and the worgen see nothing wrong with trying to genocide an entire nation. The Alliance has no sense of honor at all. I see a nation of monsters that must be stopped.
@Ultimaton100Stormwind humans never stole anything from anyone, dwarfs din't drive anyone from their lands, they don't blow things up in the name of science, the only seek to know more about the titans, worgen are victoms of genocide, night elves are trying to maintain the balance of nature.
Orcs on the other hand love war, forsaken are nuking people left in right, goblins have little to no sense of moral if money is involved, blood elves only care about their magic.
@Visser0x Really? Look at the Southern Barrens and Durotar. Humans murdering orcs and tauren and stealing their land. Dwarves burned a tauren town and drove them from their land so they could excavate it, and the night elves are too overzealous in their methods. Cutting down a few trees does not screw the enviorment. People who harvest lumber to provide for their nation and family do not deserve to be murdered. The worgen are not victims of genocide, but victims of an invasion.
@Visser0x The humans of Stormwind love war. Look at this war they and their king started. The Forsaken are securing their land and their right to exist. The humans and worgen would love to murder them all and steal their land. The dwarves think it is okay to blow into the earth without regards for anyone but themselves and ruin sacred sites. If they night elves really cared for nature, they would oppose that. But no, they condone the devastation of nature as long as it isn't done by the Horde.
@Ultimaton100 Garrosh started the war, he charged at varian during thbe meeting about yogg-saron, Forsaken don't own hillsbrad, the forsaken don't own gilneas, forsaken just want others to suffer. Worgen aren't stealing they're trying to keep gilneas safe from the forsaken, humans want lordaron back, because if the its ruled by an undead elf not an undead human, dwarves aren't the only one to destroy sacred sites goblins do it too. Night elves never harm nature the protect it.
@Visser0x Varian started the war. He declared war on the Horde at the Battle for the Undercity, which was weeks before Garrosh attacked him. The Forsaken do own Hillsbrad, because it is part of Lordaeron, which is their land. Yes, they want the Alliance to suffer, to make them feel the pain they have brought upon others. Darius Crowley made it well known he intends to wipe out the Forsaken and steal their land. The Alliance wants to steal Lordaeron from its rightful owners.
@Ultimaton100 You're an Idiot? Varian didn't start the war you fucktards. Lordaeron was attacked by Forsaken, it was originally a human settlement. And Orcs started the war between the Horde and the Alliance YEEAARRSS before all this! Back whenever the Orcish people were enslaved by the Legion!
@Fallenearth777 It is amazing how ignorant you are. Lordaeron fell in the war against the Scourge, and the Forsaken took it from the Scourge. Now the Alliance wants to steal Lordaeron from the Forsaken, who earned it for themselves. The last war between the Old Horde and the Alliance was the Second War, which ended years ago. This current war between the New Horde and the Alliance, was started by the Alliance. They attacked first whether you admit it or not.
@Visser0x I'm finished here. Bottom line, there are two sides to every conflict. Its not all black and white. The Alliance is just as guilty of wrongdoings as the Horde is. War is hell, and death is inevitable. Only time will tell how this all ends. I am a staunch supporter of the Horde, while you defend the Alliance. Lets just agree to disagree and end this, because its going nowhere.
@Visser0x Yeah, the Forsaken have done wrong, but at least they are honest about it. They don't mask their evildoings by calling it justice, like the Alliance does.
I think that Blizz too it too far when they the put "bitch" into the dialogue....
This is the same Blizz that the Christians had a pow wow about pally armor when they wanted to put a cross on the chest plate. Cuz it was "blasphemy"....so they redid the armor. (contradictory...yes)
The undead risen as Forsaken have free will. They can choose whether or not to serve the Forsaken nation, or go off on their own. The undead risen as Scourge have no free will and are bound to the will of the Lich King. And for everyone saying the Forsaken look out only for themselves, that may have been true at the start of their alliance with the Horde, but numerous sources say more Forsaken now see themselves as genuine members of the Horde
@Ultimaton100 Sylvanas is rasing an army of people she killed in order to boost her numbers, but they have a choice to join or not .... Im I the only one who sees a huge flaw in this?
@Visser0x This is fact. Unlike the Scourge, undead risen as Forsaken are given a choice of whether or not to serve. The new Forsaken starter quests prove it and Blizzard has confirmed it. And who's to say Sylvanas killed those humans? They could just be corpses removed from their graves.
@Ultimaton100 They're wearing gilnean armor and dalaran robes and they had swords in their hand, they were clearly fight the forsaken before death. So her forces did kill them and yet they now want to serve? She my give free will to some but not all.
@Visser0x That is how you see it, but that doesn't make it so. Unlike the Lich King, Sylvanas has no great mental power to force over her subjects. She cannot force anyone to serve her. Its game mechanics that most of those newly risen serve the Forsaken without a word of convincing, not mind control. And I think it is probable that if these humans died in battle, then they did so attacking the Forsaken. This deep in Silverpine, the Alliance was on the offensive, for a bit.
Though Garrosh is right in one position here: What difference is now between the Lich King and the Banshee Queen. And Taurens.. well Cairne got killed by Garrosh during the duell (due to Magathas poison) and nearly every Tauren in Thunderbluff was killed after Cairne lost. They are not really into Garrosh too. And Bloodelves might have the best relationship with the forsaken due to Lorth'remar being under command of sylvannas when she was General of Quel'Thalas
well as a forsaken garrash just set a death sentince for calling the qween a bitch and saying hes gunna kill her lol well sorta cant wait for his death
@danbuga69 a cival war between the factions of the Horde seems to be likely. the Forsaken only have self interest as their main goal which clashes with the Hordes ideals, Garrosh is now the Warchief which Vol'jin is completely against and has no respect for him. Not sure where the Blood Elves stand in this as well as the Goblins and the Taurens.
Well the problem is that Garrosh has still lots of thing to learn, and well I didnt like him as a warchief at first because of how he spoke to Vol'jin and well he called Sylvannas Bitch, also he didnt kill Cairne on purpuse you know that shit about the grimtotems any ways I started to regain respect for him when he dismissed one of his commander in stonelaton mountains because of blowing a bomb in the area so what I say?...give him time
btw nice warchief, a warchief who kills another king of the horde, Thrall wouldn t accept this at all and would allready smashed doomhammer in his ugly face
@forerunner93 excuse me a faggy mage? Have you any idea what power rhonin has? He smokes garrosh dumbass with his ugly face and crap gear(exept shoulder) in 1 hit, and yeah right douche king i dont know if you can remember it, but at the trailer of ulduar garrosh was getting his ass kicked if not for rhonin you wouldn t have a warchief at all
Go Garrosh! Go Garrosh! Go Garrosh! Hes come a long way since Nagrand, and I am proud to call him my Warchief! Screw Thrall! Garrosh gets the job done faster, and is a bad ass doing it, plus atleast he learned alot from Northrend. I want to see a battle between the human king douche and Garrosh and how Garrosh will win without some faggy mage interfering.
For the better part of a decade Sylvanas hated Arthas for killing her and turning her into his slave, and now she's doing the same thing to others.
Between this and her defiant use of the plague despite both Thrall and Garrosh forbidding it I can't help but feel that Sylvanas is becoming more and more of a rouge agent, which spells trouble for the Horde. Given her actions and the amount of ill will Garrosh's leadership is brewing, I fear the Horde is at risk of tearing itself apart.
Strange that the Forsaken val'kyr can only raise humans, yet the scourge could raise any dead race...but still, worth it to scare the shit outta garrosh :p
IF you ask me Vool'jin, Sylvanas, Tauren leader and Goblin trade prince should do a new horde without a ugly brown 107m hp idioot in it and btw the bloodelfs are ugly so they can't join eithier:) // TRollover
did Garrosh really say "bitch"to Sylvanas ?
Darknessfalls003 2 weeks ago 3
how can i get to silverpine forest is it a hero's call questline?
tofy700 1 month ago
I thought Garrosh was gonna be killed either by Sylvannus or Vol' Jin but after hearing the Panda Bear announcement who the hell knows what's gonna happen.
TheXXLethal 1 month ago
I wonder what thrall would have said
poopsdf 2 months ago
How can this be a lvl 10-20 zone? as far as i know Lich king is not starting at lvl 10-20 ....
tofy700 2 months ago
O my god garrosh said Bitch to sylvannas Verry cool
Demon2732 3 months ago
Ooh, Garrosh's heavy words to this "Bitch" could mean in something terrible ^^)
Habbarapapp 3 months ago
I don't see what all the fuss is about! She is simply recycling dead bodies Lol she's not exactly going to do what the Lich King did and send them trampling through Azeroth is she?
xxcrazylukexx 4 months ago
@xxcrazylukexx If it was only that recycling dead body. Remember that her troops killed them before raising them as forsaken...
xgentis 4 months ago
2:53 <3
Arzange 6 months ago
hmm the plot thickens reguarding the situation of sylvannas
wreed843 6 months ago
i cant find this fucking forest. HELP SOMEONE !
I m druid lvl 20 and i have quest here and i cant find it !!!
mihailo343 6 months ago
@mihailo343 It's near Tirisfal Glades
SuperRofltank 6 months ago
I sell a civil war in the horde in the not to distant future. I think Garrosh will try to ran sack the horde and steal it from Thrall when he comes back, Garrosh has already killed a horde leader, told off 2 other horde leaders, and killed the other ones father. He's screwed when the new and all powerful Thrall returns.
MrBobbyhill39 6 months ago
God Sylvanas, you make me tingle. And we all know Sylvanas would kite Garrosh to Africa and beyond!
n0s3pick3r 6 months ago
Garrosh vs Sylvanas?
Hahaha, Garrosh has no chance, Sylvanas would kite him to Africa.
UtkuTheMagnificent 7 months ago 2
i think thats the first time i've heard 'bitch' said in the game. Garrosh is usually an ass, but he's smart in this one. Sylvanas has always been a bitch.
Chiefsplayr17 7 months ago
well you all know that the forsaken can not have da babies and that they originaly came for regaining control over them self after the LK left lorderon so inorder for the forsake to continue exsistin as a whole they have to be brought back
andron47 7 months ago
@andron47 Your completely correct . Thats what the Sylvanas haters don't get . Thank you Andron .
RaiRoiMusouKaraoke 7 months ago
@andron47 But she's not suggesting bringing back fallen Forsaken. She's suggesting raising the bodies of fallen enemies. EXACTLY what the Lich King did. Sylvanas basically wants to bolster her ranks the same way Arthas bolstered his. The only difference is that these new Forsaken will have free will - though I reckon any who don't wish to be loyal to her will just be killed a second time. Don't get me wrong, I love Sylvanas she's a great character. But she IS starting to follow his path.
belad0nna 4 months ago
garrosh-watch your clever mouth bitch
sylvanas-...well i used to be a belf...
greekdevil100 7 months ago
@greekdevil100 sylvanas was not belf,she was high elf
TheEvoletro 7 months ago
@TheEvoletro Belf's are High elf's you fool
Runeshot654 7 months ago
AHAHAH 2:56 BITCH YO NIGGA ASS!
jPaulsson 7 months ago
so scary X_x
Zyxeed 8 months ago
if they did fight sylvanas will die easy :P
meneerikownje 8 months ago
2:57 bitch
crabclaw1997 9 months ago
garrosh is big as fuck!
AAlford32 9 months ago
Garrosh VS Sylvannas? 20 second fight. Garrosh hands down.
Rocklinrat 9 months ago
I don't know is Sylvanas a bitch? I hope she will be worth over 500$ :D
paismovicard 9 months ago
Guys have yall noitced what Garrosh is doing....he kicked out the trolls and Vol'jin is done, He pissed off Sylvanas, shes done, he killed taruen leader, their done, and the blood elfs, he just doesnt like them period, hes going to be the downfall of the Horde.
JacquesVontoui 9 months ago
Isn't it obvious, Warchief... I serve the horde!
Spenxaz 9 months ago 2
@Tensho14 Varian's flaw is that he's VERY short-sighted. He's so obsessed with war that he let his own people suffer for it. Had there not been so many homeless flooding Westfall, the Defias reemerging never would have worked because they would never have found so much support. The Ulduar trailer's another example. Any talks fall apart the moment Varian sees Garrosh and he refuses to aid in any way. Not realizing Saron would have eventually threatened SW. Neither appear to be very good rulers
belad0nna 9 months ago
OOOOOOH HE SAID BITCH!!!
TreeMuncher99 9 months ago
Garrosh is a noob. Forsaken = Horde + more horde > alliance. simple
Felfire90 9 months ago
IF i was Sylvanas i would've taken an arrow and friggin shot garrosh in the back of his friggin neck and let the forsaken gnaw on his bones for callinger her a bitch.... i HATE the horde i mean HATE but he is a dick.... wit a small head
RaGeRDaT 10 months ago
@RaGeRDaT sylvanyas is really a bitch now... she only cares about the scourge many people see garrosh has an brainless murderer but he is a wise ruler, the grimtotem poisoned his wep he did the killing blow to cairne not on purpose but the grimtotemdid it on purpose then you guys say thrall is the best what are you going to do with a warchief befriending everyone? he eventually gets betrayed...
realkndman 10 months ago
@realkndman Sylvanas needed to take the Horde, she has what it takes to rule, Garrosh is a midless warthirsty orc like his father, he only wants to kill alliance, he cares nothing of the actual problem and he only divides the horde more and more. Sylvanas NEEDS the val'kir thats the only way the horde will hold onto Northern lorderon since Garrosh only sent her a small fleet of reinforcements, Hes causing the horde to fall apart, and distrust and betrayal is so predominant (ex:1k needles chain)
JacquesVontoui 9 months ago
@JacquesVontoui Sylvanas only cares about the lich king nor horde nor alliance
realkndman 9 months ago
@JacquesVontoui Well that is true, Garrosh ( i can't believe i'm going to say this) but he has a point. What is the difference between Sylvanas and the Lich King. I mean this is not a fair way of retrieving lands, no this is against everything the Horde and the Alliance stands for. In my humple opinion the only leader within the horde with a normal brain is Vol'jinn. He is the only one that can lead the Horde!! I think that is pretty obvious.
TheRakanow 9 months ago
You are all saying how the horde is the baddies and that when u dont realise Varian is a bigger douche that Garrosh or any horde :D. plus The alliance didnt give the citizens time to escape taurojo do the questline. Not to say Horde havent done things also but i dont think the humans are honorable by any strech
MegaWowification 10 months ago
@MegaWowification I completely agree with you. I actually think the Alliance is more evil than the Horde. I think the Alliance is more elitist and views the Horde races as inferior savages, aside from the Blood Elves. I see it as similar to the Pilgrims coming to America, where the Pilgrims are the Alliance and the Native Americans are the Horde. The Alliance just has a (justified) sense of superiority. They're "racists" lol. The Horde LOOKS evil, but I think the Alliance is more evil.
TommyAK13 9 months ago
@TommyAK13 You lost your mind didn't you. Exept King Varian who is short-sighted all the leaders of the Alliance can lead there people like the supposed to do. While the horde is on the moment of death, Baine is not experienced enough, Garrosh also ( he is getting better, but he isn't a true warchief yet), Sylvanas has no life purpose anymore since the Lich King is dead, Lorthemar is a Blood-Elf those are outsiders anyway, Voljinn is the only one whith experience enough to lead the horde.
TheRakanow 9 months ago
@TheRakanow "Evil" is an overstatement, but I definitely think the Alliance is the more arrogant/supremacist side, definitely more elitist. That's why I roll Alliance, because I like that. I would also compare it to Star Wars, where The Alliance is the Empire and the Horde are the rebels... or the wookies lol. It's for the same reason that I loved the Empire more than the rebels, that I love the Alliance more than the Horde. I just find the Horde to be dumb savages (besides the Blood Elves).
TommyAK13 9 months ago
@TheRakanow and also besides the Forsaken. I think they're smart too. The only two Horde races I like are the Blood Elves and the Forsaken. I think the rest are dumb, savages. I really like Sylvanas and Kael. I wish Kael was still leading the Blood Elves and didn't side with Kil'Jaeden and turn into a wretched or a demon or whatever the hell he is.
TommyAK13 9 months ago
@TheRakanow What point are you trying to make anyway?
TommyAK13 9 months ago
It's truly amazing. You youtube commentators relive the conflict of the Alliance and the Horde in a simple comments section. Both sides say that they have right to the land and that the other side is the aggressor. No agreement can ever be reached and Horde and Alliance are doomed to fight for eternity.
I can live with that fate. :) FOR THE HORDE!
Mjsmecha 10 months ago
I bet Sylvanas likes being called a " bitch ".
shaylene2000 10 months ago
2:50 and 2:57 "Isn't it obvious Warchief? I serve the Horde" "Watch your clever mouth, BITCH!!" ROFLMAO
moret25 11 months ago
Bitch!
whitelaw28 1 year ago
Hi guys....question there , Sylvanas somehow said that the undead(forsaken) were unable to proquiate....why is that so? they were always able(since wc3) to take the death into their ranks...?
bubabi 1 year ago
@bubabi Not really. Only a very small amount of undead who rose from the grave after WC3 had their minds intact and joined the Forsaken. And since udead cannot procreate through mating, using the val'kyr necromantic powers to increase the number of undead rising from the graves is the best and possibly only way to ensure a new generation of Forsaken.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 But how did tey became so huge in numbers? I mean Undercity and all those armies...plus the abomination ...they are creating those arent they?
And when you start a new undead character ..where are we comming from?
cheers
bubabi 1 year ago
@bubabi The vast majority of Forsaken prior to Cataclysm were the Forsaken who were freed from the Scourge. A handful, infected with the plague of undeath like the others, rose from the grave later. This minority is where Forsaken players before Cataclysm came from. The Forsaken has considerably smaller numbers before Cataclysm, as evidenced by the orc guards in Undercity.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
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Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@bubabi Contrary to popular belief, the orc guards in the Undercity were not stationed there after the Wrathgate. They were in the city for some time before and their dialogue says "While the bulk of Forsaken troops are up in Northrend, the Warchief has sent us here to maintain the city's defense.". It shows the Forsaken had such a lack of numbers before they couldn't keep their capital defended while on the offensive without help.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@bubabi As for the abominations, those are created by sewing chunks of flesh, from both people and animals, together into a single big rotting golem. They aren't risen undead like the Forsaken themselves, but created from pieces of corpses and reanimated through science. As such, the corpses they are made from are just corpses, not risen undead.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Ok thx for youre time, man!
and else do you think there will happen something to the forsaken? garrosh seems to build up a misstrust towards all the other horde faction leader...espescially sylvanas,
cheers
bubabi 1 year ago
@bubabi I seriuosly doubt it. The Horde cannot afford to lose the Forsaken. Without the Forsaken, the Horde would lose their hold on Lordaeron and most of their other territory in the Eastern Kingdoms. They would lose the now massive Forsaken military as well, which would be a serious blow to Horde forces.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
hold your tongue Garrosh! you've no right to call the Queen Banshee a bitch. You who is a mere substitute and frightened of the wrath of Bairne!
bryanbogz 1 year ago
My point is, no one is forced to serve as Forsaken. It is a choice. A prime example of this is Galen Trollbane. He willingly joined the Forsaken after being risen because he knew his former comrades in Stromguarde would only see him as an aberration, not their prince. He sided with the only people who would accept him.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Not all forsaken are given free will though and any forsaken with a brain knows that attacking former comrades will only confirm their thought s about you being a monster.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x All Forsaken have free will. This has been proven. Blizzard has stated it and numerous quests back it up.They had no free will as part of the Scourge, but they do now. And it doesn't matter if Forsaken attack their former comrades or not. Eiether way, they will still be hated and hunted simply for being undead. That is a fact. Look at the Alliance and the Scarlet Crusade. And I played WC3. There is nothing at all of Sylvanas having mental powers.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Their is, death knights were able to rejoin with their faction and they're dead, why not forsaken? sylvanas is a banshee she and her fellow banshees can posses people so for all we know banshees could be possing the new forsaken soilders.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x Sylvanas is a banshee no longer. She posessed her corpse. She is now what Blizzard calls an unique undead. And if you play the new Forsaken starter quests, or the new Silverpine quests, it is shown, like here in this video, it is shown that the val'kyr raise new Forsaken. Forsaken are not posessed corpses, they are risen undead, like the Scourge. The difference is they can think for themselves.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Visser0x The death knight arguement seems to hold little ground. The difference is the undead risen Forsaken have no means to rejoin their old nation. The Kingdom of Lordaeron is gone, destroyed in the Third War. They united under Sylvanas' leadership to reclaim their homeland from the Scourge and the Dreadlord undead. As for these new Forsaken, If they sought to rejoin the Alliance, they would be slaughtered. They side with their fellow undead, because they are accepted with them.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Most of the death knights are humans from lorderon, they wouldn't be slaughered if they had gone and joined the argent dawn like leonid and its not like the din't give reasion to be feared and hunted they were killing there own people before they were redeamed, and sylvanas is making no effort to convince the humans that they are no longer monsters.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x Actually, the majority of human death knights are from Stormwind. Only a few, like Thassarian, are from Lordaeron. And I believe the main reason Sylvanas and the Forsaken are not making an effort to prove they are not monsters to the Alliance is because, as shown in the Silverpine and Hillsbrad quests, the Alliance is trying to take their land from them. There is nothing practical in improving your image to invaders.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 after they joined the horde, so forsaken land = horde land they allaince just wants to get its peoples land back if the foresaken never joined the horde and worked on regaining the humans trust they would never try to "invade" their land, at the most they'd just rebuild it.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x You have to understand the simple truth, no matter what the Forsaken do, they will always be hated and hunted by the Alliance. It is because the Alliance believes if you're undead, then you are evil and must die. And the vast majority of Lordaeron's former citizens are now Forsaken. The Alliance is not reclaiming any land for anyone, they are trying to conquer it for themselves.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Not true argent dawn and the argent crusade both favored the allaince and still let the forsaken join their ranks, it wouldn't be hard to let the allaince know these are redeemed fosaken, the thing is they have to make an effort to change that image. Don't forget about the lordaeron citizens that escape with jainal, they're still alive and they are on the allaince, they should be able to return home, and the alliance plans to allow them to return.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x Those few in the Argent Crusade are still despised by the Alliance. The only reason the Alliance hasn't tried to kill them is because they want to remain on good terms with the Crusade. And the Lordaeron citizens who escaped with Jaina are now citizens with Theramore. From what I've seen and read, they have no real desire to return home after spending years in Kalimdor. To them, Theramore is their home now.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 The allaince does not despise the undead crusaders they are the only undead that are redeemed in their eyes, they're not going around kill their former commrades.As for theramore who would want to return to a land that is cursed and full of HOSTILE undead? If the fosaken had worked with the alliance and allowed the alliance to rebuild lorderon then im 100% theramores people will be happy to return.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x The Alliance does despise the Argent Crusade's undead. As shown by numerous Alliance personalities, including General Marcus Johnathan, the belief that all undead are evil and any good they do is a deception meant to fool the living is prevailant in the Alliance. This belief has only spread further amongst the Alliance since the return of King Varian.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Visser0x Perhaps, but noit likely. As numerous lore sources have stated and shown, soon after the Forsaken were formed, they were attacked by the humans, all of whom mistook them for Scourge. This early conflict, caused by a lack of understanding, has led to the current Forsaken-Alliance war in Lordaeron.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 I recall the foresaken forming right after they killed the only humans who truested them in the slightest, they brought it on themselves.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x You are speaking of WC3, I am speaking of comics showing what happened after. And besides, Garithos and his troops did not trust the Forsaken at all. Even if they had left them to rule Lordaeron, the humans would still hunt them. The Forsaken did not bring anything upon themselves. Rather, it is the Alliance bringing their losses in Lordaeron today on themselves.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 If they had not killed garithos and all his men then they would be able to agrue that they are redeemed undead and the arguement would still hold water, but no they only prooved that there was no such thing as redeemed forsaken.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x Like I said, it doesn't matter if Garithos and his troops had been spared or not. Human bigotry and intolerance will always lead them to conflicts with other races who don't see eye to eye with them. No matter what, Alliance humans will always try to murder all undead until they are stopped.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Not true the humans in argent dawn and the argent crusade are very tolerant of the undead in their ranks, the fact the forsaken attack someone they made a promise to displays them as monsters, if Garithos had attempted to kill sylvanas then maybe then would the forsaken have a reasion to join the horde, but she attacked him first, killing all hopes of alliance trust towards them with him.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x It is true, whether you admit it or not. The humans of the Alliance are argueably the most racist people in Warcraft. It is fact, the Alliance, no matter what the circumstance, will always look to destroy all undead. They seek to genocide the Forsaken and would certainly like to kill the undead in the Argent Crusade. The Argent Dawn is now defunct, reorganized into the Crusade. The Alliance, blind by its hatred of non-Alliance, is becoming as evil as the Burning Legion, in my opinion.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 No they only have a hate for the undead because they've been attacked by scourge undead and forsaken undead, so why should they think the forsake are some how better than the scourge? Arthas and Sylvannas are sitting side by side in the mind of people who lost their family to the scrouge and the forsaken.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x That just proves humans in Warcraft act out of ignorance. Blind zealotry will be their undoing.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 No it just proves the very thin line that seperates the forsaken from the scourge.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x The only thing the Forsaken and the Scourge have in common is that they are both undead. The Scourge seek to destroy ALL life. The Forsaken only seek to destroy those who would do them harm. The Scourge enslaves undead, while the Forsaken serve by choice. The two groups are very different.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Both the scourge and the forsaken attack unprovoked, both the scourge and the forsaken have caused harm to the horde and the alliance, both disturb the dead, and both have work to accomplish dark deeds.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x The Forsaken have never attacked the Horde, and the Forsaken attacked the Alliance to answer the Alliance's aggression. The Forsaken respect the dead, and treat each other like brothers, as said by Blizzard. The Scourge disturb the dead and use them as slaves. The Scourge's evil is unprovoked, while Forsaken evil is caused by the hate and intolerance of others.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Forsaken attacked the horde at the wrathgate, forsaken attacked the alliance first so of course they're going to hate them and be intolerant.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x The Forsaken did not cause the tragedy at the Wrathgate, as I grow tired of explaining. What Putress did was of his own accord. He and his master were traitors to the Forsaken. Also, this is the last time I am saying this, because I have told you over and over, even if the Forsaken had not attacked the Alliance first, they would still be bitter enemies. The Alliance would have eventually attacked the Forsaken regardless, because they hate all undead.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 They may not have been sylvanna's forsaken but they were forsaken. Putress was a forsaken exstremist, but still forsaken, alliance only hates people who attack them unprovoked.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x Putress was not just an extremist, he was a traitor, who would have been executed for his crime like Varimathras had the Alliance not killed him first. And really? The Alliance only hates those who attack them unprovoked? Look at what they are doing in the Southern Barrens. Invading a foreign territory that isn't theirs for no reason other than the fact they want to destroy the Horde, which makes them the aggressor.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Visser0x A little town full of innocent, unarmed men women and children. Its buildings burned to the ground and people massacred, and the Alliance dares to call what they do justice? Did the families who were butchered there provoke the human and dwarf soldiers who hacked them to pieces? No, they didn't.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
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Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 If your referring to stratholme then tell me what else were they supposed to do? the undead were controlled by the scourge and attack on sight, taking the lives of few to attempt to save many is an act of justice.
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x I am reffering to Taurajo. It is like the Horde's Alamo now. A rallying cry to bring an end to the Alliance's reign of terror. Human and dwarf soldiers hacked innocent unarmed tauren and orc men, women, and children to pieces or burned them alive. That was not justice. That was a massacre.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Visser0x Can you really defend such an act of outright murder? And to add insult to injury, the Alliance troops looted the town's ruins and mistreated the corpses of their victims.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Its really no diffirent from southshore, but still a wrong of the alliance. I blame varian and garrosh
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x It is alot different from Southshore. That town was a supply port and military staging ground for the Alliance military. And there were ALOT more survivors there than at Taurajo. Taurajo was just a small hunter camp. Hardly relevant to the war at all. Southshore was a battle. Taurajo was a massacre.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Taurajo is were they'd train horde soilders, its them same there was less survivors in taurajo because it was unexspected, Tarren mill isn't far from southshore. But unlike Taurajo the dead arent being raised as ghouls.
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x There aren't any dead humans being risen as ghouls in Southshore. What happened at the Sludge Fields, those ghouls were not created from human prisoners. The insane warden turned his own guards into ghouls. The Sludge Fields was intended to be just a prison camp, and when the insane warden's true workings were revealed, he was executed. The Alliance didn't bother to try and take the people of Taurajo prisoner. They just killed them.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 I saw a southshore farmer ghoul. Atleast the dead in Taurajo are resting in peace and not being raised, and at least taurajo can be taken back, southshore not so much.
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x There are no Southshore farmer ghouls. All the dead from Southshore, which isn't much as alot of them survived, are resting in the ground. What the Alliance did at Taurajo was unforgiveable. Such a complete act of unprovoked violence. The butchering of little children cannot be called justice.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 considering all the alliance has been through taurajo is just a wine stain, compared to what the horde did to gilneas,ashenvile,south shore, and the hillsbrad fields. So it is justice.
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x You actually approve of the slaughter of families? The murder of little children? That is just wrong in so many ways. The Horde has never gone out of their way to murder innocents, but the Alliance did just that at Taurajo. They werent attacking Taurajo for tactical reasons. They wanted revenge. The Alliance was mad that they lost on several fronts and decided to take it out on a vulnerable town while its best defenders were away. It was not justice. It was cold-blooded murder.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Oh that bombing of thal'darah grove city tottally wasn't the hordes doing, And I guess all those dryads that where killed defending the balance of nature din't mean jack, and there is no way there could be families, and children in southshore and hillsbrad. Taurajo isn't a tactical area? is it not the settlement closest to thunderbluff? a horde capital?
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x The bombing of Thal'darah Grove was done by an extremist who Garrosh executed. He was acting of his own accord. And all the dryads I've seen killed were using nature to attack the Horde. And the vast majority of the people in Southshore and Hillsbrad escaped. And Taurajo was not in a tactical position at all. That is just a crude excuse that was used to massacre innocents. The Horde understands how to fight with honor, while the Alliance fights only to feed their lust for domination.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Visser0x I'm sorry, but the fact that you can defend the Alliance's murder of innocents is really sickening. All the supposed proof of Horde war crimes you have presented me with thus far are flawed. They were caused by extremist and insane minds that do not represent the Horde's intentions, and you have left out important facts. For example, while the dryads are trying to preserve nature, the are doing so while attacking the orcs. Any dryad deaths by orcs have been in self-defense.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Visser0x Just accept the truth. The Alliance is guilty of war crimes, including a terrible massacre. There is no shame in admiting your side has done wrong.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 if there is shame in it why doesn't the horde do it?
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x The Horde admits when it is wrong. I admit it too. But the Alliance has done wrong as well and refuses to aknowledge it. Admit it. The Alliance is guilty. What they did at Taurajo was simply awful.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 @Ultimaton100 closest camp to thunder bluff makes it a tatical position no matter how you slice it, horde extremist is still horde, dryads attacked the horde because they're destroying their homes. There are 3 alliance settlements in the area and only southshore had the most survivors most of whom are hiding in the forest from the forsaken. compared to every thing the horde has done Taurajo was nothing, the horde lost its honnor when thrall left.
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x Taurajo was nothing? The slaughter of entire familes, the butchering of little children was nothing?! The Horde has never done anything compared to the scale of that unprovoked massacre. The orcs are the victims in Ashenvale, the night elves are attacking them simply for wanting a better life. Look at the Alliance extremists. Look at that warmongering bigot of a king, Varian. The Horde has more honor than anyone in the Alliance ever will.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Visser0x No matter how you word it, it is fact. Innocent, helpless people have been hacked and burned to death by Alliance killers. The Alliance started this war, Varian is a monster, and the heroes of the Horde will stop his madness eventually. When it comes to this war the Alliance started, the real forces of justice are the Horde's armies. How you can actually applaud the butchering of babies is something I don't want to understand.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Visser0x The humans of Stormwind believe it is their right to slaughter and steal from anyone who doesn't agree with them, the dwarves of Ironforge think it is okay to butcher people and drive them from their lands so they can blow it all up in the name of science, the night elves think its good to murder anyone who harms a plant, and the worgen see nothing wrong with trying to genocide an entire nation. The Alliance has no sense of honor at all. I see a nation of monsters that must be stopped.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100Stormwind humans never stole anything from anyone, dwarfs din't drive anyone from their lands, they don't blow things up in the name of science, the only seek to know more about the titans, worgen are victoms of genocide, night elves are trying to maintain the balance of nature.
Orcs on the other hand love war, forsaken are nuking people left in right, goblins have little to no sense of moral if money is involved, blood elves only care about their magic.
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x Really? Look at the Southern Barrens and Durotar. Humans murdering orcs and tauren and stealing their land. Dwarves burned a tauren town and drove them from their land so they could excavate it, and the night elves are too overzealous in their methods. Cutting down a few trees does not screw the enviorment. People who harvest lumber to provide for their nation and family do not deserve to be murdered. The worgen are not victims of genocide, but victims of an invasion.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Visser0x The humans of Stormwind love war. Look at this war they and their king started. The Forsaken are securing their land and their right to exist. The humans and worgen would love to murder them all and steal their land. The dwarves think it is okay to blow into the earth without regards for anyone but themselves and ruin sacred sites. If they night elves really cared for nature, they would oppose that. But no, they condone the devastation of nature as long as it isn't done by the Horde.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Garrosh started the war, he charged at varian during thbe meeting about yogg-saron, Forsaken don't own hillsbrad, the forsaken don't own gilneas, forsaken just want others to suffer. Worgen aren't stealing they're trying to keep gilneas safe from the forsaken, humans want lordaron back, because if the its ruled by an undead elf not an undead human, dwarves aren't the only one to destroy sacred sites goblins do it too. Night elves never harm nature the protect it.
Visser0x 11 months ago
@Visser0x Varian started the war. He declared war on the Horde at the Battle for the Undercity, which was weeks before Garrosh attacked him. The Forsaken do own Hillsbrad, because it is part of Lordaeron, which is their land. Yes, they want the Alliance to suffer, to make them feel the pain they have brought upon others. Darius Crowley made it well known he intends to wipe out the Forsaken and steal their land. The Alliance wants to steal Lordaeron from its rightful owners.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 You're an Idiot? Varian didn't start the war you fucktards. Lordaeron was attacked by Forsaken, it was originally a human settlement. And Orcs started the war between the Horde and the Alliance YEEAARRSS before all this! Back whenever the Orcish people were enslaved by the Legion!
Fallenearth777 11 months ago
@Fallenearth777 It is amazing how ignorant you are. Lordaeron fell in the war against the Scourge, and the Forsaken took it from the Scourge. Now the Alliance wants to steal Lordaeron from the Forsaken, who earned it for themselves. The last war between the Old Horde and the Alliance was the Second War, which ended years ago. This current war between the New Horde and the Alliance, was started by the Alliance. They attacked first whether you admit it or not.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Fallenearth777 Like Warlord Bloodhilt said, the Alliance is "a band of theives, liars, and killers, with no regard for life or honor."
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
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Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Visser0x I'm finished here. Bottom line, there are two sides to every conflict. Its not all black and white. The Alliance is just as guilty of wrongdoings as the Horde is. War is hell, and death is inevitable. Only time will tell how this all ends. I am a staunch supporter of the Horde, while you defend the Alliance. Lets just agree to disagree and end this, because its going nowhere.
Ultimaton100 11 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Thats what I was trying to get at both sides do wrong things.
Visser0x 11 months ago
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@Visser0x Yeah, the Forsaken have done wrong, but at least they are honest about it. They don't mask their evildoings by calling it justice, like the Alliance does.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
haha ''Watch your mouth BITCH!''
I love Garrosh from now on! xD
Animechannel29able 1 year ago
GAHAHAHA i lold at bitch!!
lorden95 1 year ago
Sylvanas would fucking kill garrosh
zwap12 1 year ago
@zwap12 XD
Visser0x 1 year ago
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lazersify 1 year ago
I think that Blizz too it too far when they the put "bitch" into the dialogue....
This is the same Blizz that the Christians had a pow wow about pally armor when they wanted to put a cross on the chest plate. Cuz it was "blasphemy"....so they redid the armor. (contradictory...yes)
midnull 1 year ago
@midnull Problem, internet?
MrMacSpiffy 1 year ago
Rezzing: the new way to make babies!
Warning: When rezzing, use protection if babies are not wanted.
FinalFayt1 1 year ago
The undead risen as Forsaken have free will. They can choose whether or not to serve the Forsaken nation, or go off on their own. The undead risen as Scourge have no free will and are bound to the will of the Lich King. And for everyone saying the Forsaken look out only for themselves, that may have been true at the start of their alliance with the Horde, but numerous sources say more Forsaken now see themselves as genuine members of the Horde
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 Sylvanas is rasing an army of people she killed in order to boost her numbers, but they have a choice to join or not .... Im I the only one who sees a huge flaw in this?
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x This is fact. Unlike the Scourge, undead risen as Forsaken are given a choice of whether or not to serve. The new Forsaken starter quests prove it and Blizzard has confirmed it. And who's to say Sylvanas killed those humans? They could just be corpses removed from their graves.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 They're wearing gilnean armor and dalaran robes and they had swords in their hand, they were clearly fight the forsaken before death. So her forces did kill them and yet they now want to serve? She my give free will to some but not all.
Visser0x 1 year ago
@Visser0x That is how you see it, but that doesn't make it so. Unlike the Lich King, Sylvanas has no great mental power to force over her subjects. She cannot force anyone to serve her. Its game mechanics that most of those newly risen serve the Forsaken without a word of convincing, not mind control. And I think it is probable that if these humans died in battle, then they did so attacking the Forsaken. This deep in Silverpine, the Alliance was on the offensive, for a bit.
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
@Ultimaton100 If you played warcraft 3 you'd know sylvanas does have mental power, not as much as the lich king but some.
Visser0x 1 year ago
Though Garrosh is right in one position here: What difference is now between the Lich King and the Banshee Queen. And Taurens.. well Cairne got killed by Garrosh during the duell (due to Magathas poison) and nearly every Tauren in Thunderbluff was killed after Cairne lost. They are not really into Garrosh too. And Bloodelves might have the best relationship with the forsaken due to Lorth'remar being under command of sylvannas when she was General of Quel'Thalas
RealEscado 1 year ago
well as a forsaken garrash just set a death sentince for calling the qween a bitch and saying hes gunna kill her lol well sorta cant wait for his death
danbuga69 1 year ago
@danbuga69 a cival war between the factions of the Horde seems to be likely. the Forsaken only have self interest as their main goal which clashes with the Hordes ideals, Garrosh is now the Warchief which Vol'jin is completely against and has no respect for him. Not sure where the Blood Elves stand in this as well as the Goblins and the Taurens.
ipsilon160 1 year ago
Well the problem is that Garrosh has still lots of thing to learn, and well I didnt like him as a warchief at first because of how he spoke to Vol'jin and well he called Sylvannas Bitch, also he didnt kill Cairne on purpuse you know that shit about the grimtotems any ways I started to regain respect for him when he dismissed one of his commander in stonelaton mountains because of blowing a bomb in the area so what I say?...give him time
Pokemonkantomaster 1 year ago
@Pokemonkantomaster Yeah i think he makes allot of mistakes but just needs time to learn.
dardo1201 1 year ago
This is so weird :D
im playing a rogue as well !! :)
YoMamaEFaaat 1 year ago
btw nice warchief, a warchief who kills another king of the horde, Thrall wouldn t accept this at all and would allready smashed doomhammer in his ugly face
Cleonization 1 year ago
@forerunner93 excuse me a faggy mage? Have you any idea what power rhonin has? He smokes garrosh dumbass with his ugly face and crap gear(exept shoulder) in 1 hit, and yeah right douche king i dont know if you can remember it, but at the trailer of ulduar garrosh was getting his ass kicked if not for rhonin you wouldn t have a warchief at all
Cleonization 1 year ago
Garrosh Hellscream : Great Warchief or Greatest Warchief ?
HwK89 1 year ago
@HwK89 more like failchief :P
danbuga69 1 year ago
Go Garrosh! Go Garrosh! Go Garrosh! Hes come a long way since Nagrand, and I am proud to call him my Warchief! Screw Thrall! Garrosh gets the job done faster, and is a bad ass doing it, plus atleast he learned alot from Northrend. I want to see a battle between the human king douche and Garrosh and how Garrosh will win without some faggy mage interfering.
Forerunner93 1 year ago
@Forerunner93 loser Thrall is better in every way, Garrosh is a hot-headed ass hole...
YoMamaEFaaat 1 year ago
@YoMamaEFaaat Im waiting for varian to kill garrosh
Atreyufolife 1 year ago 2
For the better part of a decade Sylvanas hated Arthas for killing her and turning her into his slave, and now she's doing the same thing to others.
Between this and her defiant use of the plague despite both Thrall and Garrosh forbidding it I can't help but feel that Sylvanas is becoming more and more of a rouge agent, which spells trouble for the Horde. Given her actions and the amount of ill will Garrosh's leadership is brewing, I fear the Horde is at risk of tearing itself apart.
ThatGUY666666 1 year ago
Garrosh is a bitch....
venom2294 1 year ago
Gamon for Warchief
cmainer 1 year ago
Garrosh deserves to be gutted by lady Sylvannas herself. Long live Thrall. Go to hell Garrosh, you lumbering oaf.
Xllzii 1 year ago
@Xllzii Would Thrall not agree with Garrosh's reasoning of how disgusting Sylvanas' act is?
jhnj92 1 year ago
Strange that the Forsaken val'kyr can only raise humans, yet the scourge could raise any dead race...but still, worth it to scare the shit outta garrosh :p
insideous57 1 year ago
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U CANt CALL SYLVANNAS A BITCH THE FORSAKEN WILL GUT YOU AND TURN U INTO A CLOTH MERCHANT IN THE UNDERCITY LONG LIVE THRALL
WOWfan800 1 year ago
U CAN CALL SYLVANNAS A BITCH THE FORSAKEN WILL GUT YOU AND TURN U INTO A CLOTH MERCHANT IN THE UNDERCITY LONG LIVE THRALL
WOWfan800 1 year ago 2
VOL'JIN FOR WARCHIEF....! YES?!?
DiJone 1 year ago
IF you ask me Vool'jin, Sylvanas, Tauren leader and Goblin trade prince should do a new horde without a ugly brown 107m hp idioot in it and btw the bloodelfs are ugly so they can't join eithier:) // TRollover
PixlaTeamPro 1 year ago
Watch my video of Garrosh and Varian Wrynn! its funny!
iam1in1 1 year ago
Watch your clever mouth... BITCH!!! that made me lol so hard
GuitarMaster6567 1 year ago
dude garrosh is a straight A doucher! lol
TheNinjarocks 1 year ago