Origins of Theology, Celestial Bodies, Ancient Civilizations, Solstices & Equinoxes

[trigg3r305]

cigarrete or joint? hhhmmm i dont think poeple hold cigs liek that, more like joints in the 70's

[Watchdis44]

Matt does NOT like Acharya S. GO FIGURE.

[Watchdis44]

Matt does NOT like Acharya S. Go Figure!

[Watchdis44]

Matt does NOT like Acharya S! He's an asshole!

[Watchdis44]

Matt does not like Acharya S. He's a DICK!

[Watchdis44]

Matt does not like Acharya S. Go figure! (I think he is an asshole!) (and I am an aethiest).

[Watchdis44]

Matt does not like Acharya S. Go figure! (I think he is an asshole) (and yes am an aethiest)

[jonie1515]

if nothing happens in 2012 a lot of people are gonna be really pissed off and might start making somehting happen.

[JNdigital]

Fuckin aye! one of the first things I'd like to do is loot and destroy the Atheist Experience studio and any other religious (re legion) bias propoganda.

One of the things I've noticed happening: many people are now able to communicate and connect as never b4.. peoples true nature and personalities are shinging through and many people who thought maybe they were isolated can now see there are many more people who feel and think as they do (virtually in any capacity). Access to a custom "world"

[substanse]

The program host is retard trying to sound like he knows everything. The guy on the phone is actually trying to say something.

[REAL88E]

intresting people pushing propaganda in all forms from rligeous and non religeous i choose to worship peter pan . im waiting for tinkerbell

[JNdigital]

Never Never land sounds nice.. just gotta straighten out the hook situation

if u can get on her level or vice versa, Tinkherbell's hot

[REAL88E]

pleass dont talk about my gods chosen vessel tinkerbell is holly without blimish a virgin.lol

[siddhaam]

you are a fool JN; incapable of simple research or rational discussion.

You prefer to believe whatever suits you.

I leave you to your foolishness.

all the best.

Sidd.

[JNdigital]

bye siddhaam hussein

[JNdigital]

Sidd who's sane

[TheWillwillwill]

Let all admit that we don't have all the answers. The name Procession of the equinoxes contradicts the accepted explaination of the shifting of the wobble. At the spring and fall Equinoxes the earth is vertical on its axis relative to the sun, so the changes locations of the fixed stars is due to motion, not a wobble. Our Sun is moving around a central piont in a 26000 year cycle. Is that central point in the gallactic plane? I don't Know. As above so below. As below so above.

[JNdigital]

the Earth moves in a waveform (like on a sound wave) fashion up and down through the Cosmos' galactic central plane every 26,000 years (cycle), so therefore it passes through the central plane twice (every 13,000 years) during a complete cycle (wobble occurs during that whole process).

The Galactic central point is the central location of Galaxy itself. the axis of the Earth will be aimed precisely at the central point and be lined up along the central plane winter solstice 2012 to 2013 equinox

[JNdigital]

conversely that's how I felt about you as well as your approach to the conversation

[JNdigital]

@siddhaam what you've stated here reflects how u are actually; and, it looks like your accounts closed now; and, I never got a chance to say Fuck you

[JNdigital]

the earth travels through the Galactic plane in a waveform pattern every 13,000 years, a full pattern takes 26,000 years... the wobble occurs during that progression

[siddhaam]

JN,

My points referred only to precession and the 26,000 yr cycle - which you now accept.

I never denied the solar system oscillates through the galactic plane.

It does approx every 30 million years!!

And it is not called procession.

I cant help it if your info is wrong.

It helps to get the basic science right when promoting your metaphysical views.

peace.

[JNdigital]

it takes the Galaxy 226 million years to complete a revolution, and winter solstice 2012 spring equinox 2013 also represents the culmination in alignment and evolution for that phase too, plus all the completed cosmic cycles that led up to now

[JNdigital]

look up the word procession (process) and you can see why to some people it makes/ made sense.

it only takes 26,000 years to oscillate up and down (waveform pattern/ like sound waves) through the galactic plane (once every 13,000 years and 26,000 years for a full waveform)

the longer process has to do with our solar system revolving around the center of the galaxy (central black hole/ black hole sun) and the alignment with the rest of the galactic/ celestial bodies

Peace

[nightwraith666]

The correct phrase is "precession of the Equinoxes" NOT "procession." This is true in both astrology and astronomy. Get educated before you talk about something.

[JNdigital]

thanks for your "education" some people have been pronouncing it procession regarding the 2012 alignment specifically. And I like that word. I know its usually called precession of the equinoxes.

Procession =

1The act of moving along or forward; progression.

2.Origination; emanation; rise.

3. A group of persons, vehicles, or objects moving along in an orderly, formal manner. The movement of such a group.

4. An orderly succession: the procession of the seasons.

similarly to process, to proceed

[JNdigital]

you must have failed to educate yourself about this word before making your comment.. in the sense its been used interchangeably with precession regarding the subject matter of this video by many, including me.

call it what you will

[JNdigital]

it pisses me off, after all that I've discussed in the video. your dumb fuck ass poiints out the difference between procession and precession (processions a more positive powerful word).. just so u can tag team and kiss some other atheists ass.

nightwraith666, how's kissing the devils ass coming along. are u looking forward to performing gay acts on it. how's the black magick and use of a dark image coming to try and intimidate people, does anyone realize as i do, that ur a fucking bitch tool?

[JNdigital]

nightwraith666 (Devil's bitch tool), see if you can answer my "Unanswerable Mystery Mind Fukc" question video with "Rational Logic"

[JNdigital]

@nightwraith666 I will educate u more:

Procession = going forward through the Zodiac signs

Precession = going backward through the Zodiac signs

as referenced from GnosticMedia on YT

[siddhaam]

And I have explained to you that you are wrong...completely wrong :)

[JNdigital]

u are searching Wikipedia for Procession of the Equinoxes and finding Precession correct? and then u are assuming that Procession does not exist

use Google for more results

[siddhaam]

If you look carefully you will notice that the reason PROcession comes up on google is because people (like you) misspell and missunderstand precession.

I know that "procession of equinoxes" does not mean anything - except of course to you.

[JNdigital]

that's your hypothesis huh?

well my experiments have shown/ produced different results/ conclusions

Tell me, did people accidentally give different descriptions as well

Do or do not, there is no try

[siddhaam]

it's PRECESSION not procession.

and it has nothing to do with the centre of the galaxy and heavenly or cosmic energies.

it is caused by a wobble in the earth's spin that results in a slight extension every year in the earth's position in its orbit. this means the houses of the zodiac slip backwards in the sky relative to the sun.

it takes almost 26,000 years to complete a full cycle.

i think the wobble may be an effect of a large impact - the one that killed the dinosaurs perhaps?

[JNdigital]

precession yes (for the 26,000 year cycle), procession occurs annually.

so you're saying it does not take our solar system 26,000 years to orbit the galactic center. like how it takes 365 to orbit the sun, expand that to 26,000 yrs around the galactic central Sun/ galaxy.

yeah I realize the wobble/ angle plays into it. I thought full orbit = full wobble. And we were reaching the apex point to Galactic Centre Plane.

where our galactic center's plane + the Solar Sun + the Earth r most aligned.

[siddhaam]

no such thing as PROcession.

precession (26,000) has only to do with our orbit of the sun. the wobble causes a slight shift forward each year in the position of the earth when we measure solstice/equinox. so it an eartbound effect which causes a slippage in the observed stars behind the sun (zodiac).

if we can be said to be orbiting the galactic centre it would be a much larger number of years. just consider the vast distances involved.

[siddhaam]

my opinion as to astrological systems; Mayan etc.

Astrology is properly divination which involves projection of psychic intuition of the diviner/shaman onto some suitable medium used as an iinterpretational screen - eg dice, cards, entrails, stars etc.

the meaning is in the psyche of the diviner and projected onto the material.

when fixed systems as to meaning of particular arrangements of dice, cards, stars etc are developed you no longer have real divination/shamanism, but priestcraft.

[JNdigital]

through Shamanic practices (ritual/ plant medicine/ drumming, psyche and dimensional observation) I think there were also projections and mythologies developed regarding the patterns and arrangement of the cycling celestial bodies above. The culture lasted thousands of years & they developed a very accurate calendar that charted the past & future cosmic (gestational) processes and cycles.

also Hopi, Toltec 5th Sun, Timewave zero, I-Ching & unprecedented modern science resemble similarities 2it

[siddhaam]

Again there is alot of nonsense about the wisdom of the ancients in new-age mythology. the mayan calendar is not truth or even factually real. there are hundreds of prophecies around to choose from.

we are in an age of unprecedented change and consciousness evolution. that is fact. projecting it onto stars or ancient myths etc is sort of missing the point.

the point of evolution is in you. in your awareness and consciousness. look to That - to what you truly are - not to new age myths.

peace.

[JNdigital]

the Mayan Calendar was scientifically viable

and it makes sense to me that the whole cosmos evolves integrally. The precise cycles of the cosmos are integrated/ interconnected as evolutionary phases.. evolution and change actually culminate not gradual consistent change

[JNdigital]

currently, the distance/ time it takes us/ the Planet/ Moon/ Sun/ Solar System to cycle/ repeat our position would be 26,000 years (the Solar Sun's birthday). We're in a 26,000 year orbit at present. So (a little less than) 26,000 years ago we were in a similar relative position to all the rest of the cosmos/ galaxy that we're in NOW. & in Dec. 21 2012 through March 21 2013 our Solar System will be in an optimum proximity/ alignment with the primordial heartbeat/ galactic plane of the Milky Way.

[JNdigital]

the number of years it takes our Solar system to orbit the Galactic Central Sun/ Galactic central PLANE takes 26,000 years and has been referred to as the:

Procession of the Equinoxes (big brother of Precession so to speak) u will find results doing a keyword search online

[siddhaam]

Hi JN.

your information and understanding of precession etc is completely wrong. so wrong i could not debate it with you.

check out "precession of the equinoxes" on wikipedia and proper astronomy sites and you will see what I mean.

A solar orbit of the galaxy takes 225-250 million years - check "galactic year".

there is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about this kind of stuff on new-agey sites and blogs on the net.

[JNdigital]

U like to speak in absolutes 'completely wrong' etc.

try understanding it

the Galactic PLANE

Galactic Plane

the Solar System actually passes through it twice in 26,000 years. every 13,000 try looking it up

the galaxy spinning around/ the Central Sun's Birthday may be the 225-250 million years

[siddhaam]

what can i say.

my comment is factually correct.

i have given you precise search terms for wikipedia for instance.

but it is up to you to actually look at the facts.

i think you prefer to just think about it in any way that pleases you. and that is your right.

peace.

[JNdigital]

maybe, but its not encompassing the full picture that's been presented here. which is factually correct (discussion/ communication helps to refine of course), yet all must subjectively interpret 'objective' fact (the public social review/ peer sharing helps to refine).

your judgement of me/ others makes a nice window/ mirror into/ to yourself

[siddhaam]

well if my comments have seemed to be judgements i regret that i was clumsy in how i expressed myself. i do not mean to an asshole :)

[JNdigital]

"but it is up to you to actually look at the facts.

i think you prefer to just think about it in any way that pleases you. and that is your right."

what I'm pointing out are these ideas apply and reflect back to u too.

[siddhaam]

Amazing. I have actually done as you yourself suggest and looked at the facts.

they clearly contradict what you have said about precession.

You are smoking too much methinks :)

[JNdigital]

I think u were too hopped on coffee and caffeine to analyze the facts accurately, your minds racing too fast for your heart to catch up

[siddhaam]

you know, just because you uploaded the video, doesn't mean you have to defend it to the point of dispensing with reason.

perhaps one day you will put aside your defensiveness and have a look at the facts of astromical precession. I think you will find it interesting.

[JNdigital]

I said 'try to look it up' however

as Yoda said "Do or Do Not, there is no try"

hope that's not too new agey for you ;)

[siddhaam]

i have looked it up JN - on real astronomy sites - and you are simply wrong . fin.

[JNdigital]

like which astronomy sites did u use?

[siddhaam]

the article on wikipedia is a good place to start, and check out 'galactic year' too :)

[JNdigital]

in my initial statement I meant to say

precession refers to the annual behavior of the Seasons

and procession refers to the 26,000 year Galactic plane orbit our Solar System takes which culminates with an apex alignment/ proximity to the Central Sun as its been deemed

[JNdigital]

I admit precession does deal with the 26,000 year wobble of the Earth.

will u admit u have found Procession yet, as a way of describing the Solar Systems repeated voyage through the Galactic Plane?

after all, that's what 'scientific' objective minds do,

to make the information/ understanding more accurate

we fluctuate like the frequency of a wavelength with its peaks and valleys (a wavy line) which goes up and down passing through the Galactic Plane twice every 26,000 years, as galaxy spins 2.

[JNdigital]

"frequency of a wavelength" can also be similarly understood as a waveform, which gets created by sound vibration

[ScottishAtheist]

See when 2012 comes to an end, can someone please remember to e-mail me and tell me what was supposed to happen?

TIA

[JNdigital]

sure thing TIA but I'll just mind-mail it to u instead and then I can teleport over and we'll chat about nirvana and such

[JNdigital]

out of curiosity, what's your interpretation of what's supposed to happen on Dec. 21 2012 and why? if it resembles what History Channel 'dooms Day' has told u, I can appreciate your skepticism

[ScottishAtheist]

"what's your interpretation of what's supposed to happen on Dec. 21 2012"

It'll be four days until Christmas, and eleven days until 2013. Beyond that, I don't expect anything to happen that might be expected to happen at any other arbitrary time you can imagine. Sorry to be a let down.

"TIA" Means "Thanks In Advance" and you can mind-mail me if you want; my area might be upgraded by then; we only recently got Broadband. I haven't seen that history channel program.

When "it" happens; call me!

[JNdigital]

"I don't expect anything to happen that might be expected to happen at any other arbitrary time you can imagine"

it is not an arbitrary date whatsoever,

annually 4 days before Christmas is the winter solstice,

the lowest point the Sun dips to and the darkest 3 days of the year, before the Sun starts to rise again and the days get longer till June 21 (then starts descending again).

That solstice remains particularly important because its the day when our planet, moon, and Solar Sun align with

[JNdigital]

Earth, Moon and our Solar Sun align precisely with our Galaxies central Sun (large celestial energy providing gigantic black hole). Our solar system orbits this Black hole every 26,000 years and on Dec. 21 2012 our Sun will be in a position to transmit that energy onto planet directly. that celestial alignment's the "IT" your referring to.

[ScottishAtheist]

I would also add that the alignments are interesting and clearly dates are important for solar eclipses and such. What I have a little problem with is the ... rather more creative aspects people have been assigning said dates.

The whole "transmitting knowledge and energy blah blah"? Um... no sorry that's when I lose you. Predictions of future events are fun, I wish people were as vocal after the date passes and whatever they thought would happen inevitably doesn't.

lol, but we'll shall see.

[JNdigital]

basically, I've had peak experiences in my life that the powers that be shun and lie about (propoganda) and knowledge comes through first hand experience and guidance. our brains interact with electromagnetic frequencies. the schumann resonance of the planet's changing in an unprecedented way. new brain wave frequencies could make us more perceptive somehow.

you're funny too. and if Nothing happens then I'm going to much more apatheist

[JNdigital]

after the date passes and whatever they thought would happen 'inevitably' doesn't

inevitable huh, how do u know? answer u don't, just like I don't know for sure, but to say inevitably seems close minded

remember a mind's like a parachute, works best when open

[JNdigital]

the Dec. 21 2012 Solstice in particular represents the point of the 26,000 orbit around the Black Holed Sun when our Solar System reaches the apex of proximity & alignment to our Galactic Center with Planet, Moon, Sun. The changes effect the whole cosmos.

Great calendars such as the Mayan & Chinese I-Ching, which closely synced up with Terence Mckenna's timewave zero calculations, measure cyclical, fractal patterns that have hypothetically/theoretically been repeating since the Universes dawn

[JNdigital]

clarification:

the Solar System/ Sun/ Earth/ Moon orbits the Galactic Central Plane around every 26,000 years in what's been called the Procession of the Equinoxes

we're reaching a culmination of the orbit Dec. 21 2012 through March 21 2013 (my 33rd birthday)

this may lead to 'evolutionary' phase shifts/ energy transformation, novel consciousness & realizations/ manifestations/ 12 strand DNA/ time travel, becoming self aware oneness to all in all (perception of omni-potential/ infinity). :)!

[JNdigital]

nonetheless, it's not going to be an all at once event. what happens(ing) are the rate of change in various fields are increasing (knowledge, computation, communication, scientific processes/ understanding, technology, etc.) at a seemingly exponential rate. And what happens, the rate of NOVEL change continues to increase to a point where by Dec. 21 2012/ Mar. 21 2013 and beyond the NOVEL change happens quite fast and time begins to lose its linear properties. DNA evolution, ^levels of awareness.

[ScottishAtheist]

I'm aware of what the solstice is, my point though is that beyond the obvious seasonal changes you can't expect anything more to happen that wouldn't happen at any other date you choose.

The whole "black hole" thing? They don't transmit energy, they consume it. Material that orbits a black hole can emit radiation however but nothing that effects us.

Galactic sun? There's no such thing! Well, you've made predictions and I'll be keeping an eye out. When 2012 passes, make another video. ;)

[JNdigital]

black holed sun, won't u come and wash away the rain.

black holed sun, won't u come, won't u come

-Soundgarden

black holes are the birthing places of stars and galaxies

the light/ energy consumed by a black hole later gets discharged/emit as the seedling energy of stars and galaxies and me and u

[ScottishAtheist]

I wasn't going to reply again, but since I found what you said a little too nagging and daft here goes.

Would you mind citing the source for your notion that black holes are seeding anything? (Irrelevant song lyrics don't count)

It's a bit hard to take you seriously on the "2012" nonsense when you are factually wrong on one of your key issues.

Nebulae are birthing places for stars; old stars are the factories that created the heavier elements (you, me etc) It has nothing to do with black holes.

[JNdigital]

u sound like a bitch ;) (can't wait for your smart ass reply to that)

I corrected myself from saying black holes 'shit' to they emit energy that seeds galaxies

honestly, where/ r u aware there's a giant black hole at the center of our galaxy? black holes = galactic center, which means they are the originator of the galactic processes

And the gigantic black hole at the center of our galaxy has been called the Black Holed Sun. and the lyrics are completely relevant 2 the assertions in ur comment

[JackWisps]

just because there is one at the center of the galaxy does not mean that it originates the galactic process. just like our sun being at the center of our solar system does not mean it is what caused the solar system to form. it was a result of the forming of the solar system.

black holes are not the birthing places of stars, they are actually the corpse of some of the larger ones.

[JNdigital]

thanks for adding to the discussion JackWisps, u exclaimed

"black holes are not the birthing places of stars, they are actually the corpse of some of the larger ones"

so what r u saying happens to that corpse? does it not rebirth later as more elements/ matter/ galaxies/ stars/ life?

1st law thermodynamics states

energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed

and the angular momentum of Universe has evidently/ apparently been 0 (zero) since the its dawn/ inception

what's corpse = 2u

[JackWisps]

we don't know much about black holes. it seems that whatever goes in doesn't come out, it is just becomes infinitely compact.

you need to take an astronomy course at your local university/college, or read a book or wiki, about the life cycles of stars. large stars do make heavier elements, but very few end up as black holes. black holes do not seem to 'birth' anything. but as I said, little is known about them, since we can't actually see or go inside (light is captured, nothing escapes)

[JNdigital]

'infinitely compact' u say, well that's like a singularity, which has been theorized as the start of the Universe.

and guess what dude, u described in laymens terms what's said2 happen in 2012, supposedly another singularity. u can look that up i.e 2012 & singularity.

but, now we are conscious and self aware, so all will be a self realized oneness which means INFINITE possibility

its actually an awesome thing if its real. It means consciousness will have more of an impact on manifesting reality

[JNdigital]

Black Holes birthing galaxies info:

"We finally have been able to measure black-hole and bulge masses in several galaxies seen as they were in the first billion years after the Big Bang, and the evidence suggests that the constant ratio seen nearby may not hold in the early Universe. The black holes in these young galaxies are much more massive compared to the bulges than those seen in the nearby Universe," said Fabian Walter of the Max-Planck Institute for Radioastronomy (MPIfR) in Germany....

[JackWisps]

yeah it's a singularity, but it is different than the one that started the universe, since that was a singularity of space, time, everything, and a black hole is a singularity of matter/energy in space.

how exactly would a singularity occur in 2012? would one suddenly pop up nearby, to effect us? would one float by and effect us temporarily? in any case, how does things being in a singularity near earth suddenly make all you said happen? the entire universe will not suddenly go singular in 2012

[JNdigital]

the UNIverse is still singular

whole in the parts: Holographic fractal design

[JackWisps]

right, sorta, but obviously not what I meant. the universe is still one thing, but within that one thing there are singularities. those are black holes. that universe used to be a sigularity, in that all space was on itself. that obviously is not true anymore.

I only said 'go singular' because I ran out of characters for my message. the meaning was still clear.

[JNdigital]

"The implication is that the black holes started growing first."

The next challenge is to figure out how the black hole and the bulge affect each others' growth. "We don't know what mechanism is at work here, and why, at some point in the process, the 'standard' ratio between the masses is established," Riechers said.

These excerpts were quoted from:

sciencedaily(DOT)com/releases/­2009/01/090106181729.htm

I suggest that we're affected by waves of energy from primordial galactic Central Sun

[JNdigital]

some quality peer reviewed evidence examples:

sciencedaily(DOT)com/releases/­2009/02/090202175320(DOT)htm

ScienceDaily (Feb. 3, 2009) "A pair of astronomers from Texas and Germany have used a telescope at The University of Texas at Austin's McDonald Observatory together with Hubble Space Telescope and many other telescopes around the world to uncover new evidence that the largest, most massive galaxies in the universe and the supermassive black holes at their hearts grew together over time"

[ScottishAtheist]

Now you've changed your story. One minute it's a "black hole sun" (nonsense term) that seeds galaxies and emits energy (they don't); to posting real science on super massive black holes. That's not what you originally said, and that's why I asked for a source on that claim.

Now there's debate at whether the black holes are present before the galaxy forms, or the black holes form afterwards. This still doesn't help your cause because black holes destroy matter, they do not create it.

[JNdigital]

what do u think happens to the matter ScottishAtheist? does it disappear forever into another dimension of hyperspace? or does it get processed & reused as a celestial mechanism for purifying energy and then creating more galaxies/ stars/ life

like how Water soaks into the depths of the Earth and gets purified over great periods of time. for instance Natural Water Springs from the Earth make the most pure alive drinking Water

[ScottishAtheist]

"what do u think happens to the matter?"

I have literally no idea and neither do you.

Stephen Hawking suggested that given enough time, Black Holes would eventually evaporate through radiation. This process however takes an ridiculously long time (trillions of trillions of trillions of years).

When you talk about "dimensions and hyperspace". You're outside the realm of science and into your imagination.

Black holes are not analogous to ground water.

[JNdigital]

videos(DOT)howstuffworks(DOT)c­om/discovery/32431-science-of-­the-impossible-hyperspace-futu­re-video(DOT)htm

also I will give u another source on the claim of black holes/ central sun (so to speak)/ seeds galaxies

sciencedaily(DOT)com/releases/ 2009/01/090106181729.htm

also, on my 'clarification' post on this video, I make some specific presentations of transformations that could occur

[JNdigital]

I was basically joking around, while I was looking a hypothesis from you regarding what happens to the light/ energy that goes into a black hole, when I mentioned other dimensions and hyperspace; nonetheless, I sent u an interesting link discussing them

[ScottishAtheist]

On 2012, what EXACTLY will happen to you?

Please be very precise here, no "we will all be more creative" or "we will feel a new life force emerge" or some other nebulous talk.

Say: I am JNdigital, and on 2012 I expect THIS to happen and THIS.

so then when that day comes, we can all look back and see if you were right or wrong. You've made some vague predictions but I'd really like you to give a solid answer; what will happen and how will we know it's happened and how can we tell if it didn't?

[JNdigital]

At this point, each of my posts have 3 stars, 2 ratings each.

that means 1 five and 1 one on each. so it seems its different strokes for different folks, but remember as u watch, rate and comment I'm no Philip Drummond, he cannot be replaced, perhaps copied or emulated. And if you have something to say, question, let me know what u talking bout Willis and u too Arnold

[JNdigital]

and of course lets not forget:

Kimberly, Maggie, Pearl, Miss Chung, Aunt Sophia,

Charlene Duprey, Adelaide Baker, Dudley Ramsey (perhaps most of all), Ted Ramsey, Robbie Jackson, Lisa Hayes, Sam Mckinney Charlie (1985-86 fyi) and Mrs. Garret

[JNdigital]

according to the lyrics of the opening show #, remember:

the world don't move to the beat of just one drum

what might be right for you, may not be right for some

[JNdigital]

who's hotter Kimberly Drummond or Janet Jackson as Willis' girlfriend Charlene. After an argument with her father, Charlene temporarily moves in to the Drummond's place.

[MrFacet]

Thanks for the link.

I'm sorry that you are worried about the 2012 prediction. I don't think there is any foundation for fear. There have been so many apocalyptic predictions, by Jesus, by the WatchTower folks, by Hall Hartley, Moon, etc etc, and none of them came true.

Our fascination for the planets (astrology and ancient astronomy is more about planets than about the stars) is because they seem to behave oddly yet in a pattern. Now we know the solar system. Simple circles cause it.

[JNdigital]

I'm sorry u interpreted this as fearful!

I appreciate your sympathies though I suppose.

I am trying to show the correlations behind what actually would be occurring during such a phase... scientifically, theologically, historically, etc.

Being in direct alignment to our galaxies Central Sun/ the black hole emanating celestial energy may in fact cause evolutionary processes to generate. How we individually and collectively react to and understand such processes could be relevant to our species

[MrFacet]

celestial energy?

[JNdigital]

Mr. Facet,

celestial energy can mean heavenly energy, but heavens can also mean of the stars/ skies.

the celestial energy in this case would be the energy emitted from the Black Holed Sun at the center of our galaxy, transmitted through our Sun.

the Black Holed Sun at the center of the Galaxy seeded the galaxy with life affirming, star making energy and still emits energy and causes processes and effects to occur

choices still take place, but the effectiveness and efficiency increase too.