open dust cover on an AK would allow far more dirt etc. + the AK looked like it had issues with initial testing? mag not seating properly? don't think this test proves much, you even took the time to blow the bolt off instead of running it on the AR. when people want to compare a 400$ AK to a 1500$ AR is silly.
I'm sick of these "throw a little dirt on my gun" tests... if you wanna do a real torture test, drag both of them behind your truck for a few miles AND THEN do a function test... bet your ak works a hell of a lot better then!
All I need to know about the AK is that soldiers in Vietnam recovered them from mud where they had been sitting for months even years and they still fired.
My BCM 14.5" chf midy dd rail with a Spikes NiB m16 BCG on a spikes lower with t1 buffer has gone 2000+ rnds in one go without a hiccup. 400 wolf .223 underpowered crap to see if the t1 would cycle and 1600 m855 green tip to check for lock time and bolt bounce. with a drop of EWL every 300-800 rds it was fine way past combat load.
@MajorThrobbit the ar 15 you said are for Noveske rifles, spikes run about $600 to $1000 wasr 10's run from $400 to $600 bucks so the price range isn't extreme
@Hatinonthehaters your just a nasty hater i love both rifle my next rifle is a russian AK74m which is about $1000 and my DPMS AR is with everything on it about $1700
I love these guys on here. Commenting on these rifles as if they know from personal experience, when they are largely just repeating the same couch commando myths and internet garbage that has circulated for decades. Get off your couch or computer chair, hang your biased ego and ignorance by the door and learn something for yourselves, guys, but repeating what you've been told or heard only shows your inability to learn for yourself and be objective.
Any video comparing an Ak47 and an ar-15 is pointless.... A more fair comparison would be the M14/ak47 or ar/ak74, the American 7.62x39 would fucking destroy the Russian 7.62x39 any day. And the ar-15 is far superior to an ak74.
@MsKillermetal american 7.62x39? You mean the 7.62x51? Whole lot of difference there. As far as the Ak-74 I believe the 5.45x39 actually has better penetration than the 5.56x45. Shooting in combat is a whole lot different than shooting at a bench. I would rather trust my life to an ak-74 which i know is going to pretty much work all the time no matter how much I beat the shit outta it. It's great to have pinpoint accuracy but if it doesnt go bang when you want it to your screwed.
@DrKorn5 yeah I meant American 7.62 don't know why i added the x39 on there. And when you're in combat you clean your rifle every single day. M16 and Ar-15 platformed rifles really don't jam as much as people think, unless you don't know how to take care of a rifle that is. And Ak-74 type rifles may have more penetration, but the majority of terrorist organizations that we're fighting don't really wear body armor so penetration isn't really a factor in what type of rifles we use.
lmao , i have left an ak47(norinco) outside for over 3 months in Oregon, and it fired fine poured dirt into it wasted in the creek for 15 secs, fired worked great yeah it had rust spots and was not looking good but I would carry it into battle anytime. I have had many ar15's including colt, dpms, Cmmg, essential arms, rock river arms lar4, none of which I would do this to and expect to work or carry into battle. sand will foul any firearm and is a truely bad testing medium.
bro ur ak is broke haha my P.O.S. wasr 10 will hold up to that all day iv put pool sand mud water just about everything louisianas got in it and she runs good run it dry.
I have some range time behind both... In my experience, after a thousand rounds or so of no cleaning, the AR will get enough curd in the firing pin channel that you get failures to fire if you don't oil it properly.
The AK will start failing to extract after about the same length of time if the chamber doesn't get scrubbed/rinsed out, and will tear rims off of casings.
The moral of the story is clean your rifle before 1000 rounds and they both work great.
I see these "torture" tests quite regularly. They usually are done by proponents of the AR feeling the need to defend the AR. Shoveling sand on top of a rifle is not a really good test. What I would love to see is a large fan blowing dust and sand onto the rifles while they are being fired for a prolonged period. The problems that would start to surface with the AR is that the fine dust would start to "stick" to the carbon that gets built up in the upper receiver and around the bolt carrier.
@TheAnomalos The AR does not have any way of keeping the debris out of its action while it is being fired. The AK does not need to because it does not dump carbon back into its action and its primitive design allows for more dust and debris to build up in the trigger mechanism before it becomes a problem. Shoveling sand into the action really does not simulate much at all in the way of real world scenarios.
@TheAnomalos "What I would love to see is a large fan blowing dust and sand onto the rifles while they are being fired for a prolonged period"...how long? Couple hours? I cleaned my M4 once a day and it was good as new. Anyone that does NOT clean their weapon out in the field, no matter the platform, is a fool.
good job..HE HE everyone is I own an ishmash ak and I dont own a ar..And I think you did a great job.The thing that makes me laugh is most people that put down the ar and praises a ak owns a century or nothing so I would say this test was adequate..
@egsampson1989 That would defeat the purpose of the test for both guns.....you want the dust to get in there otherwise why bother doing this test ? You could just close the dust covers on both guns...well close the dust cover on the AR, the AK really doesn't have one. Even with the safety/dust cover closed on an AK its still open to dust and debris.
@esh325 If you own one take a look at an AK, even with the safety in the up and closed position there's still a little space in front of it that's open. On the AR with the dust cover closed nothing gets in at all. The AK is designed with loose tolerances so it can run Dirty more than most other guns, the draw back is you lose accuracy at distance, heck even at close range lol.. I guess the Commys figured they had more men to die than money to spend on precision machining.
@pac6010 I've got many AK's. There is a little gap with the safety up in the bolt area, I don't really really see a significant amount of junk getting in there though. You're splitting hairs. An AR can get crap in it too if the bolt is open. That's malarkey. The AK is a lot more accurate then you think. Look at my Saiga at 200 yards video.
Make it an even better test, after subjecting the rifles to dirt shoot a lightbulb placed 200 meters away & see which rifle hits it first, or maybe it would be better to say, see which rifle is capable of hitting it.
What does nationality have to do with the quality of the rifle? Russian doesn't inherently mean better. I'd much prefer the Bulgarian and Yugoslavian variants AKs than Russian AKs.
@AGeekWithAShotgun The Soviet Union was not a nation. But, if you must be technical. It was created in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.
General Kalashnikov is Russian Born, was wounded in the Battle of Bryansk in Russia (and went to a hospital on foot), designed the AK in Russia, and had them built in Izhevsk in Russia.
The AK is Russian, Period.
That said, Bulgarian AK's are considered the best made, followed by Russian and Yugoslavian manufactured AKs.
The Soviet Republic was a single party republic collectively made up of Soviet States. There were not a nation? The term nation can be used as the majority of the Soviet Union composed of Slavic ancestry.
"The AK is Russian, Period."
The design is, the individual rifle in of that itself varies.
I'd like to see you compare an AR with a FailZero BCG to a normal AR. With no lube the sand and dust is not attracted to the BCG and so it should be a lot more reliable. I have a FailZero BCG and it really does not require lube and it is very slick feeling.
Well congrats, in a interview with a Russian spetsnaz, he claimed that his aks74 never malfunctioned during his five years in afghan. And his squad often went days hiking in mountains without cleaning their weapons once. Another claimed to have seen aks shoot mag after mag on 30 round bursts after months without cleaning. But hey, you and your wasr-10 obviously know more about AKs than the Russians :D
Lol, all the AK-fans are pissed. Both are fine weapons. The AK is simple, robust, and reliable. I'd preferr the AR (not because I'm a yank, but) because the AR is lightwieght, accurate, and has little recoil.
Inwanna know how much u had to do to the wasr 10 before the video for it to stop feeding reliable ur function test was a fail cuz it didnt return to battery And plus I can tell that ur an ar fanboy also..... One more thing I don't want to see u touch another ak again ak's are strictly for the ALPHA MALE
ak is much more reliable. i have owned many of both platforms. ar is very very picky and likes to stay lubed. i currently own a dpms ar15 and a bushmaster ar15. also own a yugo ak47. ar were over 2k. yugo was about 200 bucks. for what i shoot 100 yards. i can shoot the ak more accuratly than both ar's with iron sights. ak is far superior in reliability. only thing i like the ar for is the ergonomics(mag release/safety/bolt lock)
Shitty Romanian AK Clone vs Premium American AR Clone Sand Test should be the name.
Dump a Cup of sand into the lower of STOCK Colt AR and into the trigger group of a Stock Izhmash AK. Bury both in 6 inches of wet soil and let sit for one month. Dig them both up, chamber a round and fire.
@Reynard13Fuchs I wouldn't recommend burying any firearm in 6 inches of wet soil and letting them sit for a month... both would probably be rusted to hell, AK's arent indestructable, I've seen both systems jam, they are just like anything else mechanical it's not if anything can go wrong, it's when. I also like and own both weapons. Also good luck getting a stock Izhmash AK here in the USA... converting a saiga is the closest option but it's not the same thing.
@txsky50 I own an Izhmash made Saiga, plan to convert it to the AK-103 standard sans full auto.
I know AK's are not indestructible, but pitting a romanian clone to a custom american ar clone isn't too fair. My suggestion is over the top, but a legitimate abuse test. The AR will only rust on it's steel components, the aluminum will not be phased. The AK might rust closed, but you'd likely be able to kick the bolt with your boot and fire away.
You'd want to punch the barrel beforehand on both.
To me the AK-47 and the AR-15 are stal the sick's gun's.I shoot a AK-47 and a AR-15 alot of time's.But the AK-47 is stal the own lee gun i would buy.The AK-47 is stal the king of all gun's.AK-47 for life.mean as hell.just like his brother mosin nagant 91/30 sniper rifle!
i hate how every one thinks ak`s hardly jam and ar`s jam all the time and most of these people don`t know eney thing about guns. the ak has lose tolerances allowing more dirt to go in and ar15`s have tight tolerances allowing very little dirt in. and the ar15 does not need to be well oiled and clean or it will jam i shot 1000 rounds in my ar and never jammed and when i did clean it it had carbon fowling all in the bolt.
@MrDistancenow The thing is, is that you're kinda wrong. Google the Filthy 14 sometime. 26k rounds through a M16 with no cleaning. But the biggest problem with your argument is that you're thinking you can get away with not cleaning the AK and it will be fine. Even the Mujadeen cleaned their rifles every chance they got even with motor oil. Far away from a gunsmith they knew the AK could jam permanently in their environment if not maintained.
@brainplay I have seen it, but thats not that same situation, they are in a more controlled environment, yes with nature surrounding them. But one added bonus of the 7.62/5.45x39mm rounds, is they are bottle necked, less worries. The direct attachment of the charging handle means even though there are failures, atleast you can slam the bolt back in the battery and fire a few more shots. Once you have the same bolt problem with the AR-15, it is much hard to fix. For me atleast.
@MrDistancenow "The direct attachment of the charging handle means even though there are failures, atleast you can slam the bolt back in the battery and fire a few more shots. Once you have the same bolt problem with the AR-15, it is much hard to fix. For me atleast."
That's what the forward assist is for on the M16. Are you rocking some Bushmaster that doesn't have one?
@pac6010 That's an ignorant statement. They are many mechanical differences between the two. The spring is housed in the stock on the STG44. It's not in the AK. The STG44 has a tilting bolt. The AK has a rotating bolt. The safety is different. The STG44 receiver hinges like a break open shot gun, where the AK's doesn't. The STG44 has a spring loaded dust cover. AK doesn't. Hmm know we know where the M16 got the dust cover from.
@esh325 He didn't just make up the gun outta thin air, he was so impressed with the STG44 that he basically tweaked the design and that was the AK. I'm not saying anything about him personally or how smart he was or how well he made guns. Just stating the facts of the matter. To hear all you AK fan boys talk about it saying all this shit like its the best design ever and 100% Russian ingenuity is just not true.
@pac6010 Of course the Russians were influenced by the STG44, just like the Beligians, and Americans. There wouldn't be a M16 or FAL without the STG44. Kalashnikov wasn't the first Russian to design an assault rifle. When Kalashnikov's prototype was failing the assault rifle trials, he and his codesigner copied things from his compeitors like the Bulkin rifle, redesigned the rifle as the AK-47, and won the trials.
@pac6010 The M16 got the dust cover from the STG44. The raised carrying handle from the EM2 rife. The receiver hinges just like the STG44 does. I'm sure they got the idea of straight line construction with the stock from the Germans with their FG42.
The thing is, when the AR has its dust cover closed, the gun is pretty sealed shut, whereas the AK has a 2 inch slot behind the bolt where the dust cover doesn't block. It's all about how much dirt you get into each system. I believe both of them are reliable to an extent.
@MJLai85 That slot doesn't exist if the rifle is on safe. Only when the safety lever is in auto/semi is that opening exposed.
To the people talking about the Romanian being an "AK clone" what exactly is your point? They are made to the same dimensions, same material, and same capabilities of nearly any other AKM. A WASR is no less of a "real" AK than any other civilian AK imported to the US.
@wysoft Sorry, didn't notice him putting the safety back on when he loaded a round in the chamber. While I don't agree with the reason why it jammed is because it's a Romanian, I disagree with the statement that the WASR is equivalent to nearly any other AKM. The WASRs out on the civilian market are generally, some of the lowest quality AK variants available. There are numerous things that separate a WASR from an Arsenal, and while they may not necessarily prevent a jam, they can't be ignored.
@wysoft "That slot doesn't exist if the rifle is on safe. Only when the safety lever is in auto/semi is that opening exposed."
And the bolt isn't exposed on the M16 when the bolt cover is closed. In combat conditions, both the AK and AR will have exposed chambers. And it's under these conditions where the rifle will generally have to deal with debris entering the chamber.
ok i think you think this was fair but iv seen dirt put directy in to the ak and it still ran so... but like my dads ak jams like every 4 shots but thats probly becuz thers a problem with it not all aks thers a reason aks hav such a good rep
I find these videos really confusing, considering how there is a video on youtube of a guy pouring dirt INSIDE the ak, the putting the dust cover back on. The gun has no malfunctions.
Its called something like reliably test at blackwater
I can't speak for all AR's, but I know the Bushmaster has great ability in taking dirt/mad etc and operating well. The bad wrap came from the fact that the original M16 was put directly into combat, so the kinks weren't worked out well.
The modern M16 stands up to a lot more than the original M16's did. Not to mention, original M16's weren't commonly cleaned because it had a reputation for not needing it.
@fwahoovaghad It didn't need that much cleaning. Before they sent the M-16 to Nam they used a diff. kind of powder. When it got sent over they switched back to the same powder used in the M-14 which is where the problem came in. Once they switched it back toward the end of nam to the powder designed just for it, the jamming issue dropped significantly.
@fwahoovaghad The old M16a1s were fine they were however advertised as "self-cleaning", which wasn't the case as no rifle in this world is "self cleaning" and after thousand of full auto fire, not surprisingly, the gun started to have issues. This was rectified later on with education and and a good set of cleaning kit and no problems ever since.
grab an Arsenal or Kreb's AK and throw that and your AR15 in some mud, water, and u midas well throw some dirt in the operation, see what happens... and y don't you clean and lube both guns an equal amount as well and not use the crappiest AK you can get...
using my all mighty powerz... i predict that water = AR explosion... high quality AK is unaffected , mud = ARexplosion/ jam... high quality AK has a low possibility of jam, and dirt = definite jam in AR... high quality AK is unaffected...
Were you maybe running the AK too wet, and gummed the parts all up immediately, an AK is designed to run with minimal lube bro, apposed to the AR's wet and the AK was designed with looser tolerances to let all the dirt and shit back out... if you were to put sand directly into the working parts on the AR like you did with the AK it would stop and not run until fully cleaned. trust me a DI AR wont run dry or gritty period, Idk about the piston guns.
I own two IZMASH made AK´s, one AK-104 and 1 AK-101 i tested both in worst conditions than sand,i used mud and whater and nothing like these Romanian piece of shit.
But i personally know that no AK is better than russian made,maybe the Polish TANTALS but WASR and NORINCO are crap, a friend of mine here in Norway told me not to buy any used TANTAL because the first 5000 produced were really low cualty too.
@OyvindHallvard the country its made in has little to do with how well it will hold up in a dirt torture test. an Ak is an AK. Now where it will make a difference is in things like barrel metallurgy, milled vs stamped receiver, overall finish. Things to consider, but means very little as far as this test is concerned.
Hmmmm, I can open the dust cover on my personal MAK90 and dump a whole handful of beach sand into it then dump a full mag without a hitch.Here's some fat guy doing the same with a 5.45 gun at Blackwater /watch?v=1QbZWg4lRkg I don't know how you get those results when I couldn't even when I tried to on purpose but something doesn't jive here..
I've seen a ton of these AR v. AK videos and I've got to say, the ones were the AK fails it seems like it's these cheapy Romanian models that retail in the $400~$500 range. He also makes a big deal about the failure to feed. Problem with the mag maybe? Try another. You can also see at 2:28 the ejection port cover open up. Maybe if that was open there would be different results, maybe?
High dollar AK's have a tighter headspace. If anything it would have even worse. Theres videos of someone doing a torture test on a arsenal (the best aks atm) and it jammed also with dirt.
@Premier112 Then go watch a Bulgarian AK74 jam in a much harsher test, whilst a 600 dollar AR with the same test didn't jam at all even when buried and ran over by a truck.
AR test = watch?v=e8SSQ_wIG4o&feature=related
Bulgarian AK74 test = watch?v=gRRUuXyspT0&feature=channel_video_title
On a different note Bushmaster AR15s are about 700 bucks and not 1500 and in fact one of the cheapest ARs out there.
Having both an AR and a Russian made AK74 (Arsenal SGL31) I can attest to the fact.
@mini14gb also note the tapco shittastic magazine which would explain the feeding issue. i got an idea. if the ar isnt as unreliable as people say, why dont most (like in this vid) actually open the dust cover first then toss grime into the action? or compare it to something more high end. i see alot of top notch ar variants up against the cheapest built aks ppl can find. try a bulgy ak or arsenal. then try it again.
@yourredcomrade717 Because tossing grime into an open dust cover isn't a realistic comparison. Dirt and grim only enters into the open spaces on a gun. In the case of an AK it's going to accumulate on one side and along a rail. Where as tossing the dirt on an open receiver spreads it out and covers non-essential areas. The same rule applies to the AR as the ejection port is the only place dirt will enter. If you run through a swamp or dust storm the ports are where the gunk floods in.
@brainplay i took my egyptian maadi arm, and filled it with rocks and sand, mudd etc. and as long as the bolt closed, she fired. only once or twice did the trigger not reset, due to the fact that a large rock was wedged in the shepards hook. but a tap on the trigger made it reset. lets see an ar15 handle that?
it is a realistic comparison. combat is dirty. if your crawling in mud on your belly shits going to get in your gun. if you have to baby your rifle it could cost you your life.
@yourredcomrade717 Umm, the AR-15 jamming has nothing to do with the firing mechanism. It can in fact handle the same you threw at the AK. The AR-15 series suffers from issues with bolt lock becoming jammed, straight walled ammo jamming fine particles while loading, and the largest issue, poor magazines.
Alot of AKs are built very cheaply, If its not a Russian, Bulgarian, Yugo with matching parts, arsenal aks....probably not worth it. watch out for WASR10/Century arms...not a real AK.
@TheThedot when your in the sandbox, a foxhole, or in the woods for months at a time. with little or no lubrication to spare, i think your opinion will change when you have to fieldstrip your gun with bullets flying overhead. ak74 is everything the m16 wished it could be.
i wouldnt trust a gun (aka my lifeline) on a system that has its soldiers memorize acronyms solely for stoppages.
AR is made in a space age technology and AK is a simple one, the closely fitted part in the AR jammed when soil particles stuck between its parts but it is also really reliable while the AK simple bigger parts needs a bigger object like stone to jammed its moving parts which made AK extremely reliable, i choosed AR for urban combat and AK for jungle and desert combat, they both are one of the best small fire arms for a real gun battle
I wouldn't touch one of those Romanian AK's with a 10 foot pole, they are substandard weapons. A DECENT quality AK that was put together properly will pass any endurance test. You have impressed me with that AR though, I didn't know they were reliable at all.
@JKFeathers The ak doesn't need an excuse. When you get drafted that is probably the weapon that kill you. Every US war and conflict since Vietnam has proven the ak to be the most reliable automatic rifle, still in use after decades of extreme conditions and poor maintenance. Right now rebels and militia across the global have these things hidden in rice patties, in dirt under farms, sand dunes... I've personally shot a trophy ak. The bolt was so rusty I had to kick it open! Shot until empty.
@aaronscrewme There are so many misconceptions about AK and AR rifles that are created today based off of rifles built decades ago. In a follow-up test with a better AK, it had a malfunction and then it performed flawlessly. The point is that an AK is not indestructible and ARs are not jamtastic. The both have their strengths and weaknesses such as bullet fall-off and penetration whereas reliability is a non-issue. A non-issue that is unless using bottom-barrel rifles of either type.
@aaronscrewme AK is used across the world by 3rd groups and militias because it is cheap and because Russia will sell to anyone. Do you see the improved AK-74's no used by Russia itself in those groups hands? Nope.
Also calling BS on your trophy AK. Having to kick the bolt open will lead to an FTF from failure to engage in battery. A rusty bolt has knocked plenty of AK's out of service. Firing a gun with that much rust is also a great way to make your rifle go boom.
@brainplay You have no idea what you're talking about. You need to read and listen to those who have come across this subject in real life. Your last sentence of your first paragraph doesn't even make any sense.
"Calling BS?" It's my life faggot. I don't give a fuck about you. You don't count for anything. You don't even know who Col. Hackworth is... Your brain ain't playing!
AR fanboy. The AK would have jammed all night long in Vietnam if your little test was accurate.There is a reason why the AK has the reliabilty reputation, your little video is not going to replace decades of history. Either you don`t know what the hell you are doing, or something is wrong with your AK.
Lol did you just put some dirt on an AK and it jammed? Either you were using extremely bad ammo or that AK was like 50 dollars. Cause even the real sword type-56 (an AK AIRSOFT GUN a frikin toy) fired perfectly after being completely buried in snow and dirt, blasted by an airsoft grenade, and crushed by a Toyota twice. Nice try AR fanboy
Lol did you just put some dirt on an AK and it jammed? Either you were using extremely bad ammo or that AK was like 50 dollars. Cause even the real sword type-56 (an AK AIRSOFT GUN a frikin toy) fired perfectly after being completely buried in snow and dirt, blasted by an airsoft grenade, and crushed by a Toyota twice. Nice try AR fanboy
The Ass-Kickers were already proven in hundreds of battles by millions of soldiers, this is why US Army (and Marine Corp) is seeking for new stuffs such as SCAR from belgium to replace the M16 and M4. The lucky Russkies only need to do minor improvements to their Ass-Kickers(The AN94 is too expensive for Russian military). If you don;t believe, just remind yourself: a lot of Americans love the AK, but it is almost impossible to find a Russky love Stoner's dumb ARs.
@USAFBuster socom hasnt adopted the scar light ( which would replace the m4) because they said it doesnt offer enough of an advantage over the m4 to start placing offers, so not everyone is seeking new "stuff".
@USAFBuster socom hasnt adopted the scar light ( which would replace the m4) because they said it doesnt offer enough of an advantage over the m4, so not everyone is seeking new "stuff".
@hondamx518 That's because SCAR is a FN design, the US Army will be pissed by Senate if their standard AR is no longer American. The political issue matters. US Navy Seal was pissed by Senate before, just because they used copies of AK47. Trust me, I have seen too many M4 with bull shit relability. The rate for them to jam is much higher than any Ass-Kicker47 or 74 I seen. Even the T-91 can do much better in reliability issue.
Seems like right from the jump he wanted to AR to win...not to mention its a Spikes Tactical..blows some sand outta the action on the AR, but when it comes to the AK after the first bury he didnt fully pull back and let go..so of course it not gonna go into battery...yeah your going to feel sand in your face...the AK is blowing all that nasty shit out of it..
This has nothing to do with what kind of AK used, its a design problem, debris gets into the firing mechanism, same would happen to an arsenal. AR vs. AK dirt/dust test does this test with a SAR3 which is considered by most a "quality" AK...and the outcome is worse. I use to own a Arsenal, traded it to a guy in my gun club for two WASR10/63s...i have no regrets, but the guy wanted to trade back a month later.
try a fucking bulgarian SA85 or slr107 or a yugo or something that isn't the fucking cheapest ak you can buy of corse a wasr10 is going to fail they were literally thrown together
open dust cover on an AK would allow far more dirt etc. + the AK looked like it had issues with initial testing? mag not seating properly? don't think this test proves much, you even took the time to blow the bolt off instead of running it on the AR. when people want to compare a 400$ AK to a 1500$ AR is silly.
Mattdawgish 1 week ago
@Mattdawgish Spike's ARs are $1500? Ummmmm..... nope. You can buy a Spike's M4 for $700. It's not like a $1200 Arsenal would make a difference.
HatrXx78 1 week ago
wtf that ak wasnt even a kalashnikov that ak probably costed him 200
ESPecial123ful 2 weeks ago
compare the AR to a Russian AK not that piece of crap.
5093329225 3 weeks ago 2
Yeah we need more extreme torture test.
InfidelOpsSniper 1 month ago
@InfidelOpsSniper check out my AR and AK vs Twinkie test, that will settle it once and for all.
FireControlGroup 1 week ago
@FireControlGroup im pretty sure the twinkie will win
InfidelOpsSniper 1 week ago
@InfidelOpsSniper twinkie lost against the AK
FireControlGroup 1 week ago
Sorry - don't live in a desert nor do I plan to. lol!!
redlegagent 1 month ago
THERE is also the WASR bias there
rrr223 1 month ago
Ak ran out of bullets. Next time load it up nicely. Then, take a shovel and put some dirty inside the spring.
filmftw3 2 months ago
Ha. The Romanian guns suck. Go Hungary!
jackal10127 2 months ago
Why would you drag your rifle begin a truck?
elox02 2 months ago
@elox02 Exactly, how is that real world? I was in the Army for 8 years. I never had a situation where my M-16 was dragged behind a truck. lol
DOHC66 3 weeks ago
AK toughest gun in the world!
MagicCaliber 2 months ago
I'm sick of these "throw a little dirt on my gun" tests... if you wanna do a real torture test, drag both of them behind your truck for a few miles AND THEN do a function test... bet your ak works a hell of a lot better then!
smasci 2 months ago 2
how many moveing parts in an ar15 and ak47
thebtrlife 2 months ago
its just fuckin sand
hahahaha awsome made me laugh
potymouf1 3 months ago
All I need to know about the AK is that soldiers in Vietnam recovered them from mud where they had been sitting for months even years and they still fired.
Freakof5FDP 3 months ago
I'd never purposely dump crap in either my sgl21 or m4gery. I take care of them both
elox02 3 months ago
My BCM 14.5" chf midy dd rail with a Spikes NiB m16 BCG on a spikes lower with t1 buffer has gone 2000+ rnds in one go without a hiccup. 400 wolf .223 underpowered crap to see if the t1 would cycle and 1600 m855 green tip to check for lock time and bolt bounce. with a drop of EWL every 300-800 rds it was fine way past combat load.
elox02 3 months ago
You keep you ar and I'll keep my Saiga 223...
TheJaxonj 3 months ago
you cant put a wasr 10 against Spike Tac...
Wasr 10 $399.00 P.O.S ak47 variant.
Spike Tac ar15, upper mid rang $899.00-$2400.00.
You get what you pay for.
MajorThrobbit 3 months ago
@MajorThrobbit the ar 15 you said are for Noveske rifles, spikes run about $600 to $1000 wasr 10's run from $400 to $600 bucks so the price range isn't extreme
bhouse1545 3 months ago
Are you fuckin retarded.... Why do you think American Security Companies (Black Water etc. etc.) in Iraq all use Russian made weapons???
Hatinonthehaters 3 months ago
you are hilarioussssssssss........ if apocalypse happens tomorrow.... i want an AK.
Hatinonthehaters 3 months ago
you are hilarioussssssssss........
Hatinonthehaters 3 months ago
@Hatinonthehaters your just a nasty hater i love both rifle my next rifle is a russian AK74m which is about $1000 and my DPMS AR is with everything on it about $1700
bhouse1545 3 months ago
I love these guys on here. Commenting on these rifles as if they know from personal experience, when they are largely just repeating the same couch commando myths and internet garbage that has circulated for decades. Get off your couch or computer chair, hang your biased ego and ignorance by the door and learn something for yourselves, guys, but repeating what you've been told or heard only shows your inability to learn for yourself and be objective.
RavenZ27 4 months ago
Any video comparing an Ak47 and an ar-15 is pointless.... A more fair comparison would be the M14/ak47 or ar/ak74, the American 7.62x39 would fucking destroy the Russian 7.62x39 any day. And the ar-15 is far superior to an ak74.
MsKillermetal 4 months ago
@MsKillermetal american 7.62x39? You mean the 7.62x51? Whole lot of difference there. As far as the Ak-74 I believe the 5.45x39 actually has better penetration than the 5.56x45. Shooting in combat is a whole lot different than shooting at a bench. I would rather trust my life to an ak-74 which i know is going to pretty much work all the time no matter how much I beat the shit outta it. It's great to have pinpoint accuracy but if it doesnt go bang when you want it to your screwed.
DrKorn5 3 months ago
@DrKorn5 yeah I meant American 7.62 don't know why i added the x39 on there. And when you're in combat you clean your rifle every single day. M16 and Ar-15 platformed rifles really don't jam as much as people think, unless you don't know how to take care of a rifle that is. And Ak-74 type rifles may have more penetration, but the majority of terrorist organizations that we're fighting don't really wear body armor so penetration isn't really a factor in what type of rifles we use.
MsKillermetal 3 months ago
I rather beleive what I see then people telling me obvious bullshit.
SugarFreeTargets 4 months ago
are you one of the contestants on top shot 3?
thuynh022 4 months ago
I think a water test is in order.
triffin 4 months ago
lmao , i have left an ak47(norinco) outside for over 3 months in Oregon, and it fired fine poured dirt into it wasted in the creek for 15 secs, fired worked great yeah it had rust spots and was not looking good but I would carry it into battle anytime. I have had many ar15's including colt, dpms, Cmmg, essential arms, rock river arms lar4, none of which I would do this to and expect to work or carry into battle. sand will foul any firearm and is a truely bad testing medium.
TheFunkmon 4 months ago
bro ur ak is broke haha my P.O.S. wasr 10 will hold up to that all day iv put pool sand mud water just about everything louisianas got in it and she runs good run it dry.
HYPOspeed 4 months ago
I have some range time behind both... In my experience, after a thousand rounds or so of no cleaning, the AR will get enough curd in the firing pin channel that you get failures to fire if you don't oil it properly.
The AK will start failing to extract after about the same length of time if the chamber doesn't get scrubbed/rinsed out, and will tear rims off of casings.
The moral of the story is clean your rifle before 1000 rounds and they both work great.
lamarbrog 5 months ago
I see these "torture" tests quite regularly. They usually are done by proponents of the AR feeling the need to defend the AR. Shoveling sand on top of a rifle is not a really good test. What I would love to see is a large fan blowing dust and sand onto the rifles while they are being fired for a prolonged period. The problems that would start to surface with the AR is that the fine dust would start to "stick" to the carbon that gets built up in the upper receiver and around the bolt carrier.
TheAnomalos 5 months ago
@TheAnomalos The AR does not have any way of keeping the debris out of its action while it is being fired. The AK does not need to because it does not dump carbon back into its action and its primitive design allows for more dust and debris to build up in the trigger mechanism before it becomes a problem. Shoveling sand into the action really does not simulate much at all in the way of real world scenarios.
TheAnomalos 5 months ago
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@TheAnomalos "What I would love to see is a large fan blowing dust and sand onto the rifles while they are being fired for a prolonged period"...how long? Couple hours? I cleaned my M4 once a day and it was good as new. Anyone that does NOT clean their weapon out in the field, no matter the platform, is a fool.
damiion666 5 months ago
@TheAnomalos thats right, if a test is being conducted, it should be done fairly.
kolishnikov74 4 months ago
no one likes it when the AR wins lol. get over it.
dawnmarko1 5 months ago
your not suppose to shake them a true ak you wouldnt have to do that
commander990 6 months ago
good job..HE HE everyone is I own an ishmash ak and I dont own a ar..And I think you did a great job.The thing that makes me laugh is most people that put down the ar and praises a ak owns a century or nothing so I would say this test was adequate..
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runninonempiy 6 months ago
The thing that gets me is that they always bury the ak selector side up. If your going to bury one, you bury it selector side down.
egsampson1989 6 months ago
@egsampson1989 That would defeat the purpose of the test for both guns.....you want the dust to get in there otherwise why bother doing this test ? You could just close the dust covers on both guns...well close the dust cover on the AR, the AK really doesn't have one. Even with the safety/dust cover closed on an AK its still open to dust and debris.
pac6010 6 months ago
@pac6010 How is it more open to dust and debris with the safety on? Well, the AR can get dust and debris in it when the bolt is held back.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325 If you own one take a look at an AK, even with the safety in the up and closed position there's still a little space in front of it that's open. On the AR with the dust cover closed nothing gets in at all. The AK is designed with loose tolerances so it can run Dirty more than most other guns, the draw back is you lose accuracy at distance, heck even at close range lol.. I guess the Commys figured they had more men to die than money to spend on precision machining.
pac6010 5 months ago
@pac6010 I've got many AK's. There is a little gap with the safety up in the bolt area, I don't really really see a significant amount of junk getting in there though. You're splitting hairs. An AR can get crap in it too if the bolt is open. That's malarkey. The AK is a lot more accurate then you think. Look at my Saiga at 200 yards video.
esh325 5 months ago
Make it an even better test, after subjecting the rifles to dirt shoot a lightbulb placed 200 meters away & see which rifle hits it first, or maybe it would be better to say, see which rifle is capable of hitting it.
oeyesea 6 months ago
They leave the dust cover open on the ak
tvcrank1 6 months ago
this fukin pisses me off...come back with a real RUSSIAN AK47, then we'll see
olgamikha 6 months ago
@olgamikha
What does nationality have to do with the quality of the rifle? Russian doesn't inherently mean better. I'd much prefer the Bulgarian and Yugoslavian variants AKs than Russian AKs.
AGeekWithAShotgun 4 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun Russia was where it was made, it should stay that way
olgamikha 4 months ago
@olgamikha
Why?
Just because champagne was originally made in Champagne of France doesn't mean it can't be made elsewhere at higher levels of quality.
Let's face it, The Cubans roll a better cigar and the Bulgarians and Yugoslavians make a better AK. the
AGeekWithAShotgun 4 months ago
@olgamikha
Actually, the AK wasn't even made in Russia, technically it was invented in the Soviet Union.
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olgamikha 4 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun anything to prove me wrong ,huh? : )
olgamikha 4 months ago
@olgamikha
Other than the blatant fact that the best AKs are built in former Yugoslavia and Bulgaria?
AGeekWithAShotgun 4 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun The Soviet Union was not a nation. But, if you must be technical. It was created in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.
General Kalashnikov is Russian Born, was wounded in the Battle of Bryansk in Russia (and went to a hospital on foot), designed the AK in Russia, and had them built in Izhevsk in Russia.
The AK is Russian, Period.
That said, Bulgarian AK's are considered the best made, followed by Russian and Yugoslavian manufactured AKs.
Reynard13Fuchs 3 months ago
@Reynard13Fuchs
The Soviet Republic was a single party republic collectively made up of Soviet States. There were not a nation? The term nation can be used as the majority of the Soviet Union composed of Slavic ancestry.
"The AK is Russian, Period."
The design is, the individual rifle in of that itself varies.
AGeekWithAShotgun 3 months ago
I'd like to see you compare an AR with a FailZero BCG to a normal AR. With no lube the sand and dust is not attracted to the BCG and so it should be a lot more reliable. I have a FailZero BCG and it really does not require lube and it is very slick feeling.
FriendofCat 6 months ago
Well congrats, in a interview with a Russian spetsnaz, he claimed that his aks74 never malfunctioned during his five years in afghan. And his squad often went days hiking in mountains without cleaning their weapons once. Another claimed to have seen aks shoot mag after mag on 30 round bursts after months without cleaning. But hey, you and your wasr-10 obviously know more about AKs than the Russians :D
logan470qzy 6 months ago
Lol, all the AK-fans are pissed. Both are fine weapons. The AK is simple, robust, and reliable. I'd preferr the AR (not because I'm a yank, but) because the AR is lightwieght, accurate, and has little recoil.
..........I am so dead! Lol
aabceacba 7 months ago 6
you need a quality izhmash ak, not a shitty clone.
Ruckalaz 7 months ago
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Inwanna know how much u had to do to the wasr 10 before the video for it to stop feeding reliable ur function test was a fail cuz it didnt return to battery And plus I can tell that ur an ar fanboy also..... One more thing I don't want to see u touch another ak again ak's are strictly for the ALPHA MALE
akproductions7447 7 months ago
the moment you said wasr 10 and a COSTUME AR i knew this video was bunch of crap
beethovenmetalhead 7 months ago
ar gayr
kevenjordan1 7 months ago
try this with a siaga 5.45. its made in russia and inexpensive at $300
silentbob71420 7 months ago
ak is much more reliable. i have owned many of both platforms. ar is very very picky and likes to stay lubed. i currently own a dpms ar15 and a bushmaster ar15. also own a yugo ak47. ar were over 2k. yugo was about 200 bucks. for what i shoot 100 yards. i can shoot the ak more accuratly than both ar's with iron sights. ak is far superior in reliability. only thing i like the ar for is the ergonomics(mag release/safety/bolt lock)
tqadir007 7 months ago 2
@tqadir007
You lying. There is no AK47 that is more accurate then a AR, maybe the variants of the AK, but not an AK47.
comotose762 4 months ago
@tqadir007 "i currently own a dpms ar15 and a bushmaster ar15" There you have your answer as far as why you have been having issues with your AR's.
RogaDanar1701 3 months ago
Shitty Romanian AK Clone vs Premium American AR Clone Sand Test should be the name.
Dump a Cup of sand into the lower of STOCK Colt AR and into the trigger group of a Stock Izhmash AK. Bury both in 6 inches of wet soil and let sit for one month. Dig them both up, chamber a round and fire.
THAT would be a fair and un-biased test.
Reynard13Fuchs 7 months ago 9
@Reynard13Fuchs I wouldn't recommend burying any firearm in 6 inches of wet soil and letting them sit for a month... both would probably be rusted to hell, AK's arent indestructable, I've seen both systems jam, they are just like anything else mechanical it's not if anything can go wrong, it's when. I also like and own both weapons. Also good luck getting a stock Izhmash AK here in the USA... converting a saiga is the closest option but it's not the same thing.
txsky50 3 months ago
@txsky50 I own an Izhmash made Saiga, plan to convert it to the AK-103 standard sans full auto.
I know AK's are not indestructible, but pitting a romanian clone to a custom american ar clone isn't too fair. My suggestion is over the top, but a legitimate abuse test. The AR will only rust on it's steel components, the aluminum will not be phased. The AK might rust closed, but you'd likely be able to kick the bolt with your boot and fire away.
You'd want to punch the barrel beforehand on both.
Reynard13Fuchs 3 months ago
@Reynard13FuchsThey did the same test with an old soviet union ak47 and it also jammed.
FreemanFPS 2 months ago
@FreemanFPS link it if you would, please.
Reynard13Fuchs 2 months ago
@Reynard13Fuchs It was on tv but will try and find it on u tube
FreemanFPS 2 months ago
"custom AR" What's custom about it?
DallasfuckingTT 7 months ago
To me the AK-47 and the AR-15 are stal the sick's gun's.I shoot a AK-47 and a AR-15 alot of time's.But the AK-47 is stal the own lee gun i would buy.The AK-47 is stal the king of all gun's.AK-47 for life.mean as hell.just like his brother mosin nagant 91/30 sniper rifle!
redneckman211 8 months ago
i hate how every one thinks ak`s hardly jam and ar`s jam all the time and most of these people don`t know eney thing about guns. the ak has lose tolerances allowing more dirt to go in and ar15`s have tight tolerances allowing very little dirt in. and the ar15 does not need to be well oiled and clean or it will jam i shot 1000 rounds in my ar and never jammed and when i did clean it it had carbon fowling all in the bolt.
groundzero94 8 months ago
Russian weapons are the best supporting evidence; stupid that all the soldiers of the world want an AK-47
sportlsn82 8 months ago
Test this supporting evidence; stupid the beat the ak47 vietnam
sportlsn82 8 months ago
The thing is, is that in a true failure of society, the AK will last much longer without cleaning.
MrDistancenow 8 months ago
@MrDistancenow The thing is, is that you're kinda wrong. Google the Filthy 14 sometime. 26k rounds through a M16 with no cleaning. But the biggest problem with your argument is that you're thinking you can get away with not cleaning the AK and it will be fine. Even the Mujadeen cleaned their rifles every chance they got even with motor oil. Far away from a gunsmith they knew the AK could jam permanently in their environment if not maintained.
brainplay 8 months ago
@brainplay I have seen it, but thats not that same situation, they are in a more controlled environment, yes with nature surrounding them. But one added bonus of the 7.62/5.45x39mm rounds, is they are bottle necked, less worries. The direct attachment of the charging handle means even though there are failures, atleast you can slam the bolt back in the battery and fire a few more shots. Once you have the same bolt problem with the AR-15, it is much hard to fix. For me atleast.
MrDistancenow 8 months ago
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@MrDistancenow "The direct attachment of the charging handle means even though there are failures, atleast you can slam the bolt back in the battery and fire a few more shots. Once you have the same bolt problem with the AR-15, it is much hard to fix. For me atleast."
That's what the forward assist is for on the M16. Are you rocking some Bushmaster that doesn't have one?
brainplay 7 months ago
"you can actually feel the dirt shooting out of the action back onto my face"
GLORIOUS SELF CLEANING RIFLE OF SOVIET PRODUCTION PROVEN SUPERIOR ONCE AGAIN TO PIG-CAPITALIST RIFLE OF SHITTING WHERE EATS
tearsinrain86 8 months ago 21
@tearsinrain86 OOoh my GOD I can so feel the russian accent..especcially at "eats"
ProbesandPylons 6 months ago
@tearsinrain86 LoL, you know your proud soviet Rifle is a carbon copy of a German design from world war two right ?
pac6010 6 months ago
@pac6010 That's an ignorant statement. They are many mechanical differences between the two. The spring is housed in the stock on the STG44. It's not in the AK. The STG44 has a tilting bolt. The AK has a rotating bolt. The safety is different. The STG44 receiver hinges like a break open shot gun, where the AK's doesn't. The STG44 has a spring loaded dust cover. AK doesn't. Hmm know we know where the M16 got the dust cover from.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325 He didn't just make up the gun outta thin air, he was so impressed with the STG44 that he basically tweaked the design and that was the AK. I'm not saying anything about him personally or how smart he was or how well he made guns. Just stating the facts of the matter. To hear all you AK fan boys talk about it saying all this shit like its the best design ever and 100% Russian ingenuity is just not true.
pac6010 5 months ago
@pac6010 Of course the Russians were influenced by the STG44, just like the Beligians, and Americans. There wouldn't be a M16 or FAL without the STG44. Kalashnikov wasn't the first Russian to design an assault rifle. When Kalashnikov's prototype was failing the assault rifle trials, he and his codesigner copied things from his compeitors like the Bulkin rifle, redesigned the rifle as the AK-47, and won the trials.
esh325 5 months ago
@pac6010 The M16 got the dust cover from the STG44. The raised carrying handle from the EM2 rife. The receiver hinges just like the STG44 does. I'm sure they got the idea of straight line construction with the stock from the Germans with their FG42.
esh325 5 months ago
@tearsinrain86 since when dose jaming first make a fire arm superior LOL you need a gun to self clean with the dumb asses using them (;
xsnakemandougx 3 months ago
thats an ak clone fool a real one would work drowned in mud
fatdonkay 8 months ago
The thing is, when the AR has its dust cover closed, the gun is pretty sealed shut, whereas the AK has a 2 inch slot behind the bolt where the dust cover doesn't block. It's all about how much dirt you get into each system. I believe both of them are reliable to an extent.
MJLai85 8 months ago
@MJLai85 That slot doesn't exist if the rifle is on safe. Only when the safety lever is in auto/semi is that opening exposed.
To the people talking about the Romanian being an "AK clone" what exactly is your point? They are made to the same dimensions, same material, and same capabilities of nearly any other AKM. A WASR is no less of a "real" AK than any other civilian AK imported to the US.
wysoft 8 months ago
@wysoft Sorry, didn't notice him putting the safety back on when he loaded a round in the chamber. While I don't agree with the reason why it jammed is because it's a Romanian, I disagree with the statement that the WASR is equivalent to nearly any other AKM. The WASRs out on the civilian market are generally, some of the lowest quality AK variants available. There are numerous things that separate a WASR from an Arsenal, and while they may not necessarily prevent a jam, they can't be ignored.
MJLai85 8 months ago
@wysoft "That slot doesn't exist if the rifle is on safe. Only when the safety lever is in auto/semi is that opening exposed."
And the bolt isn't exposed on the M16 when the bolt cover is closed. In combat conditions, both the AK and AR will have exposed chambers. And it's under these conditions where the rifle will generally have to deal with debris entering the chamber.
brainplay 8 months ago
Bury them BOTH !!!
mba2ceo 8 months ago
A gun will malfunction when filled with dirt...even if it's your favorite one. Who knew?
10rupeejezail 8 months ago
your a cheating lying fagot
himbobbo 8 months ago
Now go buy a real ak47 then test them.
sowrdoo1 8 months ago
ok i think you think this was fair but iv seen dirt put directy in to the ak and it still ran so... but like my dads ak jams like every 4 shots but thats probly becuz thers a problem with it not all aks thers a reason aks hav such a good rep
kangaroobob1995 8 months ago
I find these videos really confusing, considering how there is a video on youtube of a guy pouring dirt INSIDE the ak, the putting the dust cover back on. The gun has no malfunctions.
Its called something like reliably test at blackwater
1232shooter2 9 months ago
Well guys what was this myth of all ak's being some unstoppable gun that never jams????
alto141 9 months ago
I can't speak for all AR's, but I know the Bushmaster has great ability in taking dirt/mad etc and operating well. The bad wrap came from the fact that the original M16 was put directly into combat, so the kinks weren't worked out well.
The modern M16 stands up to a lot more than the original M16's did. Not to mention, original M16's weren't commonly cleaned because it had a reputation for not needing it.
fwahoovaghad 9 months ago
@fwahoovaghad It didn't need that much cleaning. Before they sent the M-16 to Nam they used a diff. kind of powder. When it got sent over they switched back to the same powder used in the M-14 which is where the problem came in. Once they switched it back toward the end of nam to the powder designed just for it, the jamming issue dropped significantly.
crawford229 8 months ago
@fwahoovaghad The old M16a1s were fine they were however advertised as "self-cleaning", which wasn't the case as no rifle in this world is "self cleaning" and after thousand of full auto fire, not surprisingly, the gun started to have issues. This was rectified later on with education and and a good set of cleaning kit and no problems ever since.
adobo777 8 months ago
It's amazing how many dislikes and angry comments are thrown up if an AK is ever thrown in a bad light.
John234pwns 9 months ago
grab an Arsenal or Kreb's AK and throw that and your AR15 in some mud, water, and u midas well throw some dirt in the operation, see what happens... and y don't you clean and lube both guns an equal amount as well and not use the crappiest AK you can get...
using my all mighty powerz... i predict that water = AR explosion... high quality AK is unaffected , mud = ARexplosion/ jam... high quality AK has a low possibility of jam, and dirt = definite jam in AR... high quality AK is unaffected...
ELITEWAFFLES9 9 months ago
Were you maybe running the AK too wet, and gummed the parts all up immediately, an AK is designed to run with minimal lube bro, apposed to the AR's wet and the AK was designed with looser tolerances to let all the dirt and shit back out... if you were to put sand directly into the working parts on the AR like you did with the AK it would stop and not run until fully cleaned. trust me a DI AR wont run dry or gritty period, Idk about the piston guns.
nowthisis2stupid 10 months ago
dear propaganda...
Gurubashy 10 months ago
I wish somebody would test the HK416 in the sand with the dust cover open.....but I already know the result.
mormonmilitia 10 months ago
i was looking all over for my cellphone and when i found it i didnt have any messages >:(
AtomicAtari 11 months ago
I own two IZMASH made AK´s, one AK-104 and 1 AK-101 i tested both in worst conditions than sand,i used mud and whater and nothing like these Romanian piece of shit.
But i personally know that no AK is better than russian made,maybe the Polish TANTALS but WASR and NORINCO are crap, a friend of mine here in Norway told me not to buy any used TANTAL because the first 5000 produced were really low cualty too.
OyvindHallvard 11 months ago 2
@OyvindHallvard the country its made in has little to do with how well it will hold up in a dirt torture test. an Ak is an AK. Now where it will make a difference is in things like barrel metallurgy, milled vs stamped receiver, overall finish. Things to consider, but means very little as far as this test is concerned.
Alexn1067 10 months ago
Hmmmm, I can open the dust cover on my personal MAK90 and dump a whole handful of beach sand into it then dump a full mag without a hitch.Here's some fat guy doing the same with a 5.45 gun at Blackwater /watch?v=1QbZWg4lRkg I don't know how you get those results when I couldn't even when I tried to on purpose but something doesn't jive here..
FromanMD 11 months ago
@FromanMD agreed.. this seams rigged somehow.... ive watched plenty of vids that support what you say
MrAsundstrom 10 months ago
good one champ soo fair
gunnerzz100 11 months ago
I've seen a ton of these AR v. AK videos and I've got to say, the ones were the AK fails it seems like it's these cheapy Romanian models that retail in the $400~$500 range. He also makes a big deal about the failure to feed. Problem with the mag maybe? Try another. You can also see at 2:28 the ejection port cover open up. Maybe if that was open there would be different results, maybe?
b0bzm00s3 11 months ago
A poorly inspected wasr sucks.
stadon88 11 months ago
"This is the worst possible model, of an ak, modified crudely for civilian use, 5th hand, bought it for 50 bucks... dry...
and this is a custom ar with bell and whistles I oil daily."
"Let's sprinkle some dust on them once... practical representation of field experience of course"
"Obviously this is a purely unbiased test, real fair. We see both systems fail in sand."
What's truly sad is a 1500 dollar gun malfunctions after a spoonful of sand lands on it, not a 200 dollar wasr "AK".
Premier112 11 months ago 29
@Premier112 and the dust cover was closed on the ar
Mr420pot420 11 months ago
@Premier112
High dollar AK's have a tighter headspace. If anything it would have even worse. Theres videos of someone doing a torture test on a arsenal (the best aks atm) and it jammed also with dirt.
m4a1jason 10 months ago
@m4a1jason Ya, arsenals suck. Plain and simple.
1232shooter2 9 months ago
@m4a1jason Sorry, I meant Arsenal SGLs suck.
1232shooter2 9 months ago
@Premier112 If the gun fails, why does price even matter? It's your life depending on that gun. What price do you stick on that?
John234pwns 9 months ago
@Premier112 Then go watch a Bulgarian AK74 jam in a much harsher test, whilst a 600 dollar AR with the same test didn't jam at all even when buried and ran over by a truck.
AR test = watch?v=e8SSQ_wIG4o&feature=related
Bulgarian AK74 test = watch?v=gRRUuXyspT0&feature=channel_video_title
On a different note Bushmaster AR15s are about 700 bucks and not 1500 and in fact one of the cheapest ARs out there.
Having both an AR and a Russian made AK74 (Arsenal SGL31) I can attest to the fact.
adobo777 8 months ago
No wonder people think your video is crap. Your running a WASR-10 which is junk (generally) to begin with.
mini14gb 1 year ago
@mini14gb also note the tapco shittastic magazine which would explain the feeding issue. i got an idea. if the ar isnt as unreliable as people say, why dont most (like in this vid) actually open the dust cover first then toss grime into the action? or compare it to something more high end. i see alot of top notch ar variants up against the cheapest built aks ppl can find. try a bulgy ak or arsenal. then try it again.
yourredcomrade717 1 year ago
@yourredcomrade717 Because tossing grime into an open dust cover isn't a realistic comparison. Dirt and grim only enters into the open spaces on a gun. In the case of an AK it's going to accumulate on one side and along a rail. Where as tossing the dirt on an open receiver spreads it out and covers non-essential areas. The same rule applies to the AR as the ejection port is the only place dirt will enter. If you run through a swamp or dust storm the ports are where the gunk floods in.
brainplay 10 months ago
@brainplay i took my egyptian maadi arm, and filled it with rocks and sand, mudd etc. and as long as the bolt closed, she fired. only once or twice did the trigger not reset, due to the fact that a large rock was wedged in the shepards hook. but a tap on the trigger made it reset. lets see an ar15 handle that?
it is a realistic comparison. combat is dirty. if your crawling in mud on your belly shits going to get in your gun. if you have to baby your rifle it could cost you your life.
yourredcomrade717 5 months ago
@yourredcomrade717 Umm, the AR-15 jamming has nothing to do with the firing mechanism. It can in fact handle the same you threw at the AK. The AR-15 series suffers from issues with bolt lock becoming jammed, straight walled ammo jamming fine particles while loading, and the largest issue, poor magazines.
brainplay 5 months ago
@brainplay i wouldnt know. i decided to buy a kalasnikov instead so i dont have any of those issues.
yourredcomrade717 5 months ago
Alot of AKs are built very cheaply, If its not a Russian, Bulgarian, Yugo with matching parts, arsenal aks....probably not worth it. watch out for WASR10/Century arms...not a real AK.
japimportssuck 1 year ago
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It does not matter the AK is shit no mater who makes them. You should had saved your money and bought a real weapon like the M16.
TheThedot 1 year ago
@TheThedot when your in the sandbox, a foxhole, or in the woods for months at a time. with little or no lubrication to spare, i think your opinion will change when you have to fieldstrip your gun with bullets flying overhead. ak74 is everything the m16 wished it could be.
i wouldnt trust a gun (aka my lifeline) on a system that has its soldiers memorize acronyms solely for stoppages.
yourredcomrade717 1 year ago
AR is made in a space age technology and AK is a simple one, the closely fitted part in the AR jammed when soil particles stuck between its parts but it is also really reliable while the AK simple bigger parts needs a bigger object like stone to jammed its moving parts which made AK extremely reliable, i choosed AR for urban combat and AK for jungle and desert combat, they both are one of the best small fire arms for a real gun battle
gegenls 1 year ago
AR is made in a space age technology and AK is a simple one, the closely fitted part in the AR jammed when soil particles stuck
gegenls 1 year ago
I wouldn't touch one of those Romanian AK's with a 10 foot pole, they are substandard weapons. A DECENT quality AK that was put together properly will pass any endurance test. You have impressed me with that AR though, I didn't know they were reliable at all.
CharlieColt45 1 year ago
You compared the cheapest of cheap AKs to a nice AR.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 1 year ago
my norinco ak47 would beat both these guns at this test any day at any time
1991jarhead 1 year ago
SO MANY AK EXCUSES
JKFeathers 1 year ago
@JKFeathers The ak doesn't need an excuse. When you get drafted that is probably the weapon that kill you. Every US war and conflict since Vietnam has proven the ak to be the most reliable automatic rifle, still in use after decades of extreme conditions and poor maintenance. Right now rebels and militia across the global have these things hidden in rice patties, in dirt under farms, sand dunes... I've personally shot a trophy ak. The bolt was so rusty I had to kick it open! Shot until empty.
aaronscrewme 1 year ago
@aaronscrewme There are so many misconceptions about AK and AR rifles that are created today based off of rifles built decades ago. In a follow-up test with a better AK, it had a malfunction and then it performed flawlessly. The point is that an AK is not indestructible and ARs are not jamtastic. The both have their strengths and weaknesses such as bullet fall-off and penetration whereas reliability is a non-issue. A non-issue that is unless using bottom-barrel rifles of either type.
JKFeathers 1 year ago
@aaronscrewme AK is used across the world by 3rd groups and militias because it is cheap and because Russia will sell to anyone. Do you see the improved AK-74's no used by Russia itself in those groups hands? Nope.
Also calling BS on your trophy AK. Having to kick the bolt open will lead to an FTF from failure to engage in battery. A rusty bolt has knocked plenty of AK's out of service. Firing a gun with that much rust is also a great way to make your rifle go boom.
brainplay 1 year ago
@brainplay You have no idea what you're talking about. You need to read and listen to those who have come across this subject in real life. Your last sentence of your first paragraph doesn't even make any sense.
"Calling BS?" It's my life faggot. I don't give a fuck about you. You don't count for anything. You don't even know who Col. Hackworth is... Your brain ain't playing!
aaronscrewme 1 year ago
what the fuck did you do to that AK?
556forlunch 1 year ago
AR fanboy. The AK would have jammed all night long in Vietnam if your little test was accurate.There is a reason why the AK has the reliabilty reputation, your little video is not going to replace decades of history. Either you don`t know what the hell you are doing, or something is wrong with your AK.
Allante715 1 year ago
Wasr 10 says it all...
jrpd373 1 year ago
lets try an Arsenal AK comparable in price to the Ar...WASR is lowest budget AK ever made. great gun but not a true representation of the original AK
xxwes997xx 1 year ago
Lol did you just put some dirt on an AK and it jammed? Either you were using extremely bad ammo or that AK was like 50 dollars. Cause even the real sword type-56 (an AK AIRSOFT GUN a frikin toy) fired perfectly after being completely buried in snow and dirt, blasted by an airsoft grenade, and crushed by a Toyota twice. Nice try AR fanboy
cheetok1ng470 1 year ago 3
Lol did you just put some dirt on an AK and it jammed? Either you were using extremely bad ammo or that AK was like 50 dollars. Cause even the real sword type-56 (an AK AIRSOFT GUN a frikin toy) fired perfectly after being completely buried in snow and dirt, blasted by an airsoft grenade, and crushed by a Toyota twice. Nice try AR fanboy
cheetok1ng470 1 year ago
The Ass-Kickers were already proven in hundreds of battles by millions of soldiers, this is why US Army (and Marine Corp) is seeking for new stuffs such as SCAR from belgium to replace the M16 and M4. The lucky Russkies only need to do minor improvements to their Ass-Kickers(The AN94 is too expensive for Russian military). If you don;t believe, just remind yourself: a lot of Americans love the AK, but it is almost impossible to find a Russky love Stoner's dumb ARs.
USAFBuster 1 year ago
@USAFBuster socom hasnt adopted the scar light ( which would replace the m4) because they said it doesnt offer enough of an advantage over the m4 to start placing offers, so not everyone is seeking new "stuff".
hondamx518 1 year ago
@USAFBuster socom hasnt adopted the scar light ( which would replace the m4) because they said it doesnt offer enough of an advantage over the m4, so not everyone is seeking new "stuff".
hondamx518 1 year ago
@hondamx518 That's because SCAR is a FN design, the US Army will be pissed by Senate if their standard AR is no longer American. The political issue matters. US Navy Seal was pissed by Senate before, just because they used copies of AK47. Trust me, I have seen too many M4 with bull shit relability. The rate for them to jam is much higher than any Ass-Kicker47 or 74 I seen. Even the T-91 can do much better in reliability issue.
USAFBuster 1 year ago
Seems like right from the jump he wanted to AR to win...not to mention its a Spikes Tactical..blows some sand outta the action on the AR, but when it comes to the AK after the first bury he didnt fully pull back and let go..so of course it not gonna go into battery...yeah your going to feel sand in your face...the AK is blowing all that nasty shit out of it..
618Bdown 1 year ago
This has nothing to do with what kind of AK used, its a design problem, debris gets into the firing mechanism, same would happen to an arsenal. AR vs. AK dirt/dust test does this test with a SAR3 which is considered by most a "quality" AK...and the outcome is worse. I use to own a Arsenal, traded it to a guy in my gun club for two WASR10/63s...i have no regrets, but the guy wanted to trade back a month later.
ftf1987 1 year ago
everyone raves about the design of the ak47 but as soon as he uses a wasr10 it dosent matter yall bitch its to cheap!
this is a gas impingement ar15 so its not the most expensive or reliable ar15 either!!!
get ur stupid fuckin RUSSIAN ak up against a damn lwrc top of the line ar15 and see who wins!!!
it was an even match with good results so stop bitchin!
bobwatters 1 year ago
@bobwatters the wasr10 is not a very good gun to begin with...
Darkhunter218 1 year ago
that ak mag seemd like it was too weak. bolt over base malfunction. ar woud have done the same thing with a weak mag spring.
TacticalTuckFard 1 year ago
Mr. Kalashnikov doesn't even approve of other AKs from other countries other than mother russia.
MrGunman11 1 year ago
try a fucking bulgarian SA85 or slr107 or a yugo or something that isn't the fucking cheapest ak you can buy of corse a wasr10 is going to fail they were literally thrown together
ChazOneZeroSeven 1 year ago