For me the essence of music has always been and will always be sound. Keeping this in mind Riverrun has been the most extreme musical experience I ever heard in my life.
Congratulations.
It is aan amazing piece of real music. A masterpiece.
I don't agree with this approach to granular synthesis, why go for such a high number of grains that the individual sound quality of each grain is going to have to necessarily be shit due to hardware limitations? I mean the amount of aliasing and other compression artefacts in the sound is so huge as to completely undermine the beauty of any sound you could conceivably create.
@GiovanniTancrediChan No, it's the limitations imposed by the hardware he's using. You can't have (or couldn't actually, cos now thousands of grains can be achieved) thousands of grains and also have good quality audio, so the audio quality has been sacrificed. It's like a photographer wanting to do a portrait but then using a lens that is so blurred that you cant make out a single feature on the person's face.
@DCioccoloni That's what I am saying, but if you still want to do a portrait and only have a blurred lens you will take a blurred portrait. Of course 1986's calculators were shit compared to ours; good composers such as Truax were aware of the limitations of the vehicles they used. Yet if what he wanted was a thousands of grains he could do nothing but to have them. Should he have modified the structure of the piece just cause he wasn't born 50 years later? :\
@GiovanniTancrediChan No, he could have simply broken up the composition into smaller groups so that he was only recording, say, 100 grains (in hi-def) at a time and then bring them all together in a collage. Your objection is like saying that Stockhausen should just have done music for individual sine waves when all he could record was one sine at a time. Instead he recorded each sine individually and then brought them all together to create his studies 1 and 2. It's not rocket science reallyXD
@DCioccoloni Lol but Stockhausen used cheats for infinite patience, e.g. he ALWAYS wrote the fucking score :S I don't blame other people for not being as patient as he was XD
@GiovanniTancrediChan I don't see what's so strange about always writing a score, and also if the composer doesn't have the patience to work on his music properly I don't see why I should have the patience to listen to it properly. This isn't some rock musician we're talking about, a certain degree of excellence is expected form classical composers, and excellence is not achieved by cutting corners, this is not the level one would expect from a composer who wants to be taken seriously.
@DCioccoloni It's not writing a score itself, it's making it readable and avaible for others, which is not really necessary and might take a lot of time. And I would understand your point of view if you weren't the only one complaining about the quality of the grains in a piece generally considered a masterpiece and - imo - very beautiful, which is - I think - far from the original since youtube manages to ruin every single audio file :\
@GiovanniTancrediChan If you think that making a score accessible to others is not necessary I can only presume you have never come across Alvise Vidolin's writings on the lack of sustainability in electroacoustic music. If the only way you have to defend your position that this track is a masterpiece is that many other people say so, I am unimpressed. If I go to a Beatles video I will find thousands of people saying that it's the greatest music ever written, does that mean they are right?
@GiovanniTancrediChan Also, the compression isn't due to youtube's encoding (i'm an audio engineer, i can tell the difference), in fact the compression here is so bad that if this was a recording of a piano many notes would be indistinguishable one from the other even though they are separated by many degrees (so you can't blame yt, there's some pretty good sounding pianos on here, it clearly doesnt mess up this bad). The real problem with yt is the comment limit, making me reply in 2 comments!
@DCioccoloni Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the piece saying it's generally considered a masterpiece (if I was then I should be listening to lady gaga), nor saying you are saying nonsense, I'm just saying I THINK it is and you are the only one complaining, and I think the problem here is the audio quality! I have heard a better recording b4 and I didn't notice low quality of the sounds! Doesn't anyway yt ruin audio files? All of the music I downloaded for trash cds for my car are lame :/
very special sound inside my HD800 headphones - presumably, this is a dowmix of an original that would have been played live on stage for an audience.
This piece changed my life, for real.
KDMAnderson 1 week ago
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izumski 2 months ago
For me the essence of music has always been and will always be sound. Keeping this in mind Riverrun has been the most extreme musical experience I ever heard in my life.
Congratulations.
It is aan amazing piece of real music. A masterpiece.
Albert Michels
Belgium
amic43 2 months ago
I don't agree with this approach to granular synthesis, why go for such a high number of grains that the individual sound quality of each grain is going to have to necessarily be shit due to hardware limitations? I mean the amount of aliasing and other compression artefacts in the sound is so huge as to completely undermine the beauty of any sound you could conceivably create.
DCioccoloni 2 months ago
@DCioccoloni I suppose that's what the composer wanted O_o
GiovanniTancrediChan 2 months ago
@GiovanniTancrediChan No, it's the limitations imposed by the hardware he's using. You can't have (or couldn't actually, cos now thousands of grains can be achieved) thousands of grains and also have good quality audio, so the audio quality has been sacrificed. It's like a photographer wanting to do a portrait but then using a lens that is so blurred that you cant make out a single feature on the person's face.
DCioccoloni 2 months ago
@DCioccoloni That's what I am saying, but if you still want to do a portrait and only have a blurred lens you will take a blurred portrait. Of course 1986's calculators were shit compared to ours; good composers such as Truax were aware of the limitations of the vehicles they used. Yet if what he wanted was a thousands of grains he could do nothing but to have them. Should he have modified the structure of the piece just cause he wasn't born 50 years later? :\
GiovanniTancrediChan 2 months ago
@GiovanniTancrediChan No, he could have simply broken up the composition into smaller groups so that he was only recording, say, 100 grains (in hi-def) at a time and then bring them all together in a collage. Your objection is like saying that Stockhausen should just have done music for individual sine waves when all he could record was one sine at a time. Instead he recorded each sine individually and then brought them all together to create his studies 1 and 2. It's not rocket science reallyXD
DCioccoloni 2 months ago
@DCioccoloni Lol but Stockhausen used cheats for infinite patience, e.g. he ALWAYS wrote the fucking score :S I don't blame other people for not being as patient as he was XD
GiovanniTancrediChan 2 months ago
@GiovanniTancrediChan I don't see what's so strange about always writing a score, and also if the composer doesn't have the patience to work on his music properly I don't see why I should have the patience to listen to it properly. This isn't some rock musician we're talking about, a certain degree of excellence is expected form classical composers, and excellence is not achieved by cutting corners, this is not the level one would expect from a composer who wants to be taken seriously.
DCioccoloni 2 months ago
@DCioccoloni It's not writing a score itself, it's making it readable and avaible for others, which is not really necessary and might take a lot of time. And I would understand your point of view if you weren't the only one complaining about the quality of the grains in a piece generally considered a masterpiece and - imo - very beautiful, which is - I think - far from the original since youtube manages to ruin every single audio file :\
GiovanniTancrediChan 2 months ago
@GiovanniTancrediChan If you think that making a score accessible to others is not necessary I can only presume you have never come across Alvise Vidolin's writings on the lack of sustainability in electroacoustic music. If the only way you have to defend your position that this track is a masterpiece is that many other people say so, I am unimpressed. If I go to a Beatles video I will find thousands of people saying that it's the greatest music ever written, does that mean they are right?
DCioccoloni 2 months ago
@GiovanniTancrediChan Also, the compression isn't due to youtube's encoding (i'm an audio engineer, i can tell the difference), in fact the compression here is so bad that if this was a recording of a piano many notes would be indistinguishable one from the other even though they are separated by many degrees (so you can't blame yt, there's some pretty good sounding pianos on here, it clearly doesnt mess up this bad). The real problem with yt is the comment limit, making me reply in 2 comments!
DCioccoloni 2 months ago
@DCioccoloni Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the piece saying it's generally considered a masterpiece (if I was then I should be listening to lady gaga), nor saying you are saying nonsense, I'm just saying I THINK it is and you are the only one complaining, and I think the problem here is the audio quality! I have heard a better recording b4 and I didn't notice low quality of the sounds! Doesn't anyway yt ruin audio files? All of the music I downloaded for trash cds for my car are lame :/
GiovanniTancrediChan 2 months ago
@DCioccoloni And anyway no, I begun studying a year ago, so i gladly accept pieces of advice about books to read :D
GiovanniTancrediChan 2 months ago
I love the little C Major joke at 15:35 (right after)
a1s2d3f4g5q1w2e3 2 months ago
very special sound inside my HD800 headphones - presumably, this is a dowmix of an original that would have been played live on stage for an audience.
a1s2d3f4g5q1w2e3 2 months ago
wow....beyond words.
rezmogm 2 months ago
It is a nice feeling to be finally back (by a commodius vicus of recirculation) at the beginning again. What an awesome trip!
Thanks for the upload, as always. :)
MrHippasus 2 months ago
a nationalistic cheer for a Canadian composer, thanks!
mondriaandesign 2 months ago
Beautiful journey, that one is.
Kloxboy 2 months ago
Fantastic upload. Thanks!
TheCUBOP 2 months ago
Quite the piece of music...
(As always) Thank you for sharing.
stanchinsky 2 months ago
NewMusicXX, best fuckin channel in YouTube, greetings from Mexico
copacolegial 2 months ago 11
I love this tune! Cheers!
johnnyclemz 2 months ago
Thank you.
AOYIKSED 2 months ago
Simply sensational,your upload! in fact,rare works of composers,like these canadian
genius,Truax,are posting,here! So,thank you,for the very good sense of choice,and, I
beg you: Please,don´t stop your fabulous work! Bravo! Accept my greetings!
khantarya 2 months ago 4
@khantarya Thank you very much! So glad you're enjoying the uploads!
NewMusicXX 2 months ago