Good comparison however some constructive comments if I may. I'd suggest you use a GPS based system, so the measurement is made from when the lever is applied, not when you "judge" you are near the "white line" or witches hat. Dare I say - borrow a system from the 4 wheel guys and you'll see what I mean to obtain very accurate figures. Great work MCN - please keep all videos coming!
I get what people are saying when they talk smack about the abs version of the bike, frankly it's a stupid idea if you want something safe why are you riding a motorcycle? But at the same time stfu if you want a bike without abs go buy the non abs version it doesn't make you any more of a man though.
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a very stupid question: once the brake by wire is engaged and for some reason i release the brake lever the system will stop and go to normal operation ? for example on a wet trackday i get scared and panic on the brakes then I slow down to a speed which im confident to take a corner the system will allow me to do that or do i have to make a full stop ?
@a6km pretty certain even if you engage abs, if you remove your brake application at the lever, braking would stop. Also the ABS can be turned off if you like. It will always be engaged when you turn the bike on initially. I don't have this bike, but it's what I'm wanting once I can afford it.
Is there anyone that's having problems with the c-abs system? It seems 1 problem is that sometimes the system drains the battery and another problem with the front brake feeling mushy.
@supmariob You have to start your engine as soon as possible or it will drain the battery, all the Honda dealers tell you that when you get a C-ABS version and it's perfectly normal.
@minutemanqvs Thanks for reply, so this means you have to check each time you park the bike if the system is still active :-( And if you start the engine again, does the system shut down the second time?
And what about the secondiary problem of the front brake somethimes feeling mushy, this could result in a mayor accident.
I find it hard to believe that Honda doesn't have a sollution for these problems.
@supmariob I mdon't really see where you have a problem...either your key is on the "lock"/"off" position and you are good or it's on the "on" position and you have to start your engine. That's it.
@minutemanqvs in the next video you can see how the system doen't shut down even when the key is off: just search for: Honda CBR C-ABS malfunction.MOV
The professional riders said it's better with ABS... PERIOD! I'm sick and tired with all these utube ''Valentino Rossis'' trolling about how new safety systems make the bike bad or not manly enough... JUST DON'T BY IT!!!!
@dobi1983 You are right but even the worst abs is better than nothing.There is no way for an average rider to brake better than that system.Whoever claims that is ...... Even professional riders have wheel locks and ''oh shit'' situations.
The brake experts should take a lesson from the racer so he can do his job better and the other dude should take a lesson from both the brake tester and the racer and learn to ride!
@o0jun0o ABS systems are self diagnostic. If there is a fault in the system the system will shut off and ABS light will illuminate to let you know it needs servicing.
Interesting results, though it would need to be determined they were all doing exactly the same speed, weighed the same, and braked at exactly the same point for total accuracy.
Notice the racer that posted the shortest stopping distance with non-ABS at 59m, also made the biggest improvement with over 28% shorter. This would indicate he's simply applying the brakes harder than the other two riders. You'd expect the less able rider to improve the most, and the best rider, the least.
Great Video. I rode a 2001 CBR600F4i and now a 2009 CBR600RR. Highly recommend ABS if you do a lot of commuting on both freeway and sidestreets. Especially in So. Cali, where there are a lot of drivers (cars, bikes, semi's, buses) on the streets no matter what day or what time. It does take away the gained riding experiences such as applying adequate brake pressure and having your wheels lock. So for new riders that have an abs bike, be careful riding your buddies gixxer, r1 or kawa.
@djolepowertube he just said that there is no physical connection between the brake lever and the oil/piston, its all electronic. but considering car abs almost never fail, i would assume the same for bikes.
@michaelxcx ok. i have abs failure on my car and i did not lose brakes i just lose abs function.. it would be apsourd to lose brakes if abs computer fails to work.. sory for bad english.. greetings from serbia
@michaelxcx No, the demonstrator said the bike uses fully electronic control during emergency stops, not during normal riding. There are two valves that are controlled by the ECU. In the event of ECU failure, the brake levers are still linked by fluid to the calipers and function just like a non-ABS bike. You can learn more about Honda technology at world.honda.com.
Im new to Honda, do they sell that black and grey fireblade in the U.S.?, because from what I see on the websites they only have black or red. Thanks.
I have the C-ABS version and I've completed just over 4400 miles on it in 4 months. The ABS system is amazing. Riding in the wet and slimy british winters are no problems when hard braking. In fact I can just now pull and forget about lock ups completely. Don't even need to use rear brake at all in the wet as the system will add rear brake for you. I highly recommend the ABS bike.
The people talking tough about how they have the talent to ride without ABS blah blah... truth is if people don't need ABS, guess what, it wouldn't be invented. In a controlled condition, i'm sure there are people in the world that can match or beat the ABS's braking distance. But it's made for emergencies in the real world where shit comes at you when you least expect it and it's made so when you panic(and you will) you won't lock up the brakes.
without reading all of that comments and with my bad english i would say that this test ist not ok, cause if it was a good test in my opinion everey rider has to break 5 times or more from 80 to 0 with the abs bike and then without abs. and then you take the middle values from the results. and woh says that they all 3 were driving exactly 80 in the hole 6 tests?? but i think that the test was not planed as such seriously.
jus wanted to know,does ABS brake do play an important role when it comes to emergency braking,do u think it is that important to have ABS on a sport bikes.please someone answer because i wanted go for a gsxr but unfortunately they are not ABS eqipped bikes.only HONDA offers ABS for fairning bikes.and do you think they can really prevent a far worse accident,whats ur opinions regarding this
@franian77 well, it depends on the rider.. an average rider are betta off with ABS since they r most likely to slam on the brakes in emergency not considering bout the road surface if it was wet or dry.. a pro wld b able to judge the amount of force they put on the brakes w/o locking it.. for me, i set my rear brakes pedals so its unlikely to lock my rear wheel (sometime it does). Make quick downshift a habit (if ur bike is equip wit slipper clutch) is the best way to prevent it from locking.
@franian77 but u need to half clutch wen u made a quick downshiftin if its not equip wit slipper clutch. btw i ride a K8 750. hard braking in the wet is still the scariest thing to do..
@phogelbice Without ABS they have to carefully measure how hard to pull the brake lever / stamp on the lever to make sure the front wheel doesn't lock - which would in most cases lead to a crash if he doesn't release the brake immediately and thus sacrifices the front brake. It's not as grievous if the rear wheel locks as long as the direction is straight ahead - if the driver's just taking the turn the rear wheel will break out and a crash or brake release is the consequence.
@Kendoka05 WITH ABS however, they can just slam the brakes without fear of crashing the bike due to locks. Also, a sliding, blocked wheel is less effective at reducing the speed than a still rolling one.
What i ment was they have like 30 meters between them breaking with the abs bike.. But thinking about it they must have been doing it in different speeds.
@phogelbice ah, i see^^ well maybe they weren't really confident enough to go all in the first time. Even with ABS there is a difference between pulling the brakes quite hard and really hard.
This is the most retarded video about motorbike ABS.In a top danger situation you will pull and press both brakes at full action.ABS wil save a lot of lives.I won`t buy a bike without ABS.Never ever
@protocol2048 isn't that in the UK? it always rains there, nasty nasty weather I feel so bad for those poor poor brits, must suck driving in the rain, just like it sucks riding in the cold (alberta, Canada) :( sucky sucky
@odracirseraoseia1999 well considering most ABS aren't put on the track i would say thats innaccurate. Your better of buying Non-ABS and putting traction control module on it. Yes this would be great for street purposes only.. nice to avoid accidents. But considering the weight of the ABS system it takes one of the lightest bikes in its class and makes it one of the heavier ones.
@odracirseraoseia1999 ok the ONLY problem is in the weight.... But if you dont want the bike for a track USE its not an actual problem. I heard that BMW has an only 2kg ABS btw.... :)
@LongoGabriele u did well....ABS is for pussy riders,real rider ride without all those fancy new aged electornic controls...thats where your skill is tested
@odracirseraoseia1999 When you are in a real life emergency situation, the ABS could be a HUGE differene, even if it is just 7% less (and that is for the professional driver).
The average driver would take a better benefit from the ABS.
@odracirseraoseia1999 - First you should get on a bike and realize that stopping ONE CENTIMETER before hiting ANYTHING is PERFECT. Stoping 5-17m short of an obstacle is even better.
Especially if your a beginner and suffer from "targer/threat fixation" the ABS may save you ass/bike.
Stop writing on 'tube as a time-wasting method.... someone could actually believe the shit your writing.
Tested the ABS for the first time @ Cadwell, wow! I am very pleased I chose the ABS version. Check out an old copy of MCN. Ron Haslam says you can brake in the apex using the ABS!
@TheM104, don't confuse being full on the brakes and turn to dodge an obstacle with applying full brakes while in the middle of a turn ;) I was referring to the first.
The first ABS fitted to a motorcycle was BMW K series in fact I have a 1992 K75s with ABS. Fireblade was NOT the first in the world...Ajays. Fantavox.
If the rear locks in a corner your front wheel already has more grip and braking power and the abs will stop it locking up. Better off spinning the back and braking the front otherwise you'll high side.
So if the rear locks up the front brake is automatically applied?? That doesn't sound to good. Braking while in a turn is hazerdous. breaking with the front in a turn is almost suicide. Thefore locking up the rear while in a turn is almost suicide. If the rear locks up in a turn, i'd probably rather low side then have the front applied and, well, you know...
It's a nice system and I would buy such bike. (I do have a CBR600F) however, look at that complicated intricate mombo-jombo. An electronic system to measure then commands an electric pump that actuate a hydraulic system bypassing the hydraulic manually actuated circuit. Sheesh... why not a fully electric system? Press the lever and say stop. The bike stops by an electric engine put in reverse... much as the electric scooters. Can't be more elegant, faster and safe.
Because it's an supersportsbike... in an normal bike you could just stop but for a supersportsbike you wouldn't be able to drive with your bike on the track like you do it without abs.
Because when a fully electric system fails you have no brakes least on this system if the abs fails brakes work. Similar system on cars for many years
This video is great. The only thing I think could be better is the fact that it seems that the several riders apparently reach the mark at different speeds, and some brake at the line while others apparently brake later, but I'm not sure... But great video nonetheless. I wish I could mount ABS on my 08 fireblade but I've been told it's not possible.
you full of shit mate .... that professional from MCN was way over that racing guy so if they both slam on brakes with full power how come the MCN pro was 20 meters over the racing guy ? just because the MCN guy chickened out and only the racing pro hit the brakes with no brains as hard as he could, but yea he is full of theory how to do it .......
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well this is fake test ,the bikes obviously dont brake at the same time and some enter much faster.what kind of tst is it!I think betttr without abs and if is wet condition...THEN GO SLOW OR DONT TAKE THE BIKE !
are you dumb or something???? they arnt testing the brakes for people that ride in the wetness they did that cuz its slipperier and abs in the rain shouldnt skid cuz its wet and the normal non abs should skid in the rain by going full force but yea... thats why they did it cuz of the wet conditions they even say why its perfect in the beggining because you can test the abs bike to non abs bike more truely cuz of GRIP CONDITIONS ... and if you get caught in the rain or have to ride in it.......
its not your choice to ride or not and going slow its the answer cuz what if your on a highway you cant ride 50 kph... you dumb ass and no one takes back roads AKA GRAVEL OR DIRT!!!!!!!
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Any abs system will only brake at it's best if you press full on the brakes. That's the only way you're going to get the shortest brake distance possible. But I admit I doubt I would have the balls to do that without some training first ;)
Neeves told earlier in other video that this abs system doesn't allow the bike to endo
In -theory-, no. If you manually manage to brake right under the skidding threshold, then you will have a shorter braking distance. The problem is, that this is incredibly hard to do. So, the computer oscillates the brakes from skidding to non skidding really quickly.
i hope i don't put myself off as a "youtube expert"
I won't dispute that some riders will be able in a track for example and within reasonable stress conditions to beat the abs system, but the problem is, even if you have that amazing braking capability, it is very difficult for you to use it in a scenario where things go from perfectly safe to completely out of control in a split of a second, or in a wet road. Besides, Abs allows you to turn the bike while you're full on the brakes. And most important: even these excellent riders make mistakes.
@euheide You should not be full on brakes in the middle of a turn. ABS isn't meant to that. Read the specs. I only say this becuase you can't expect ABS to save the situation in limit situations.
@TheM104 I actually didn't imply you could apply full brakes in the middle of a turn, but now that you mention that. Which turn? At what speed? Don't forget that when you apply strong braking in a turn, even if the ABS does it's job, you're not only braking but also disturbing the cornering stability and direction.
But even in those situations, a rider using ABS will always have a better chance
If, in any situation, ABS can't save the day, the possibility to do so without it is even less.. ;)
@Koener the only thing that can stop you from turning the bike while the ABS is activated is the grip of the asphalt. If it has a high grip then it may be very hard because of the force of the braking itself against your capacity to turn, but if it's wet for example the bike won't stop abruptly even with the ABS and you can turn it to avoid crashing because the wheels are not locked
@euheide If you look at the video they did all their brake testing on the straight. If you slam the brakes on on an ABS machine when it is leant over hard, your tire may not lock up in the normal sense but it will still break lateral traction therefore still spill from under you. This test is very limited and I think more in depth testing in "real" riding conditions will prove if it works as well in all sceanarios. Don;t get me wrong I think all safety features should be considered - I ride ABS
@markjrobbins if you have a point about the lateral traction but how do you know this wasn't taken into account when making this system. Remember that lateral traction loss also affects the wheel spin, which is how the system acts and it's probably enough for the system to block further braking.
But that's in the event of someone on the worse case scenario, which is completely leaned over at a considerable speed (to be at the limit of lateral traction) and a surprise.
@euheide you can breal lateral traction without wheel spin or lock-up. Ever seen a racer go past the limits of lateral traction when leant over too hard without even touching the brakes? They just spill off when the traction breaks and the wheel has not been stopped from spinning i.e: locked-up. You have extra forces at work when cornering which I don't think the ABS system can work around.
@markjrobbins ... Anyway, it's still true that you can apply full brakes on event of a surprise and turn to avoid it, even if you have to relief the brakes momentarily to muscle the bike around. Not so without abs. I'm glad that we agree that this system is the way to go. If you have any confirmation or if you are really sure about that lateral traction impossibility in this ABS, please tell me. Thanks!
@euheide Not 100% sure, but I would place a bet that if you were leant over hard and slammed on the brakes, lateral traction would break and the bike would break from under you even if your wheels did not lock-up in the traditional sense. Braking in linear direction whilst upright is best case scenario which is what they tested. I am not privy to what was taken into account by designers, its just laws of phisics. Still better than nothing though.
@markjrobbins I know what you're saying about breaking lateral traction without breaking, usually they loose the front if they go in too hot for a turn (including some front brake) or they loose the rear if they accelerate too hard while in that turn. But yeah. Yeah, in a situation like that (a limit or even racing situation) you either crash without even touching the brakes, or there's possibility you're referring to which is being on the very limit of grip (but still with grip) and then
@markjrobbins and then the use of the brakes braking that already very precarious grip. I actually believe in a possibility of the ABS being able to brake the bike without disrupting that balance by detecting any microscopic change in wheel spin and not letting you brake too much (there's always microscopic differences in speed when a tire is about to loose grip in whatever way because the road and the engine always stop supplying that coordinated speed. But you may probably be right :)
@markjrobbins what gives me hope in a situation like that is the fact that this ABS doesn't act like normal ABS (with those pulses). It's rather smooth. But I would never risk it, unless, of course someone would offer me a bike to test it lol
@euheide I mean, there's a possibility that the system isn't sensible enough not to brake that fine balance, or that the difference between wheel spin and engine speed in a situation like that isn't enough for the system to realize the precarious grip you're at
@euheide Agreed. ABS is really useful when e.g. it's wet and something happens that you need to stop in a hurry. Take it from one who has had occasion to wipe-out because of hard braking in the rain...
@saladofpotatoes thanks dude! I can't believe that there are people who actually think this shouldn't be a part of any road bike ;)
Another thing I wish for (and that already exists in the beamer) is the traction control. Also very useful in the rain (those feared highsides and lowsides heheh) :)
I'm not selling this abs system but I really believe it's an important feature to have in a sportbike. It's just a shame it's so heavy, and also that there isn't a button to turn it off for track use :)
HA HA cant do stoppies? last time i checked u dont lock up the front wheel when u do a stoppie? and obviously it does take skill to ride becasue everyone was getting different distances. Not fun at all?
I don't think I could ever trust this style of ABS. There is no hydraulic/cable device connected to the brakes at all. What would you do if the ABS pump motor ever lost a ground or if the fuse blew to it?? That would mean total loss of brakes.
Good comparison however some constructive comments if I may. I'd suggest you use a GPS based system, so the measurement is made from when the lever is applied, not when you "judge" you are near the "white line" or witches hat. Dare I say - borrow a system from the 4 wheel guys and you'll see what I mean to obtain very accurate figures. Great work MCN - please keep all videos coming!
XenonOzHID 2 weeks ago
I get what people are saying when they talk smack about the abs version of the bike, frankly it's a stupid idea if you want something safe why are you riding a motorcycle? But at the same time stfu if you want a bike without abs go buy the non abs version it doesn't make you any more of a man though.
namtehesahc 1 month ago
are all cbr1000's fireblades old and new?
kaalakaikoa 1 month ago
@kaalakaikoa If you're asking if the 1000's have always been called fireblades than yes
namtehesahc 1 month ago
@kaalakaikoa the cbr1000F wasnt a fireblade the 1000RR is the blade
peebass 5 days ago
thank you for taking the time to share this. looking to get the 2011 fireblade later this month... WITH ABS!
blackphosphor 1 month ago
Thanks for sharing. Please see my epic 1st videos and donate to my cause if you feel bold and brave enough.
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8wealthyone8 2 months ago
5:02 run, why did he slowed down before the cones?
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wilsonhwt2 3 months ago
a very stupid question: once the brake by wire is engaged and for some reason i release the brake lever the system will stop and go to normal operation ? for example on a wet trackday i get scared and panic on the brakes then I slow down to a speed which im confident to take a corner the system will allow me to do that or do i have to make a full stop ?
a6km 3 months ago
@a6km pretty certain even if you engage abs, if you remove your brake application at the lever, braking would stop. Also the ABS can be turned off if you like. It will always be engaged when you turn the bike on initially. I don't have this bike, but it's what I'm wanting once I can afford it.
icemako 3 months ago
@icemako ABS can not be turned off on this bike
a6km 3 months ago
Is there anyone that's having problems with the c-abs system? It seems 1 problem is that sometimes the system drains the battery and another problem with the front brake feeling mushy.
supmariob 4 months ago
@supmariob You have to start your engine as soon as possible or it will drain the battery, all the Honda dealers tell you that when you get a C-ABS version and it's perfectly normal.
minutemanqvs 4 months ago
@minutemanqvs Thanks for reply, so this means you have to check each time you park the bike if the system is still active :-( And if you start the engine again, does the system shut down the second time?
And what about the secondiary problem of the front brake somethimes feeling mushy, this could result in a mayor accident.
I find it hard to believe that Honda doesn't have a sollution for these problems.
supmariob 4 months ago
@supmariob I mdon't really see where you have a problem...either your key is on the "lock"/"off" position and you are good or it's on the "on" position and you have to start your engine. That's it.
minutemanqvs 4 months ago
@minutemanqvs in the next video you can see how the system doen't shut down even when the key is off: just search for: Honda CBR C-ABS malfunction.MOV
supmariob 4 months ago
The professional riders said it's better with ABS... PERIOD! I'm sick and tired with all these utube ''Valentino Rossis'' trolling about how new safety systems make the bike bad or not manly enough... JUST DON'T BY IT!!!!
BKstrained 4 months ago 30
@BKstrained
ABS on Bikes is great when it works like the one of Hondas Fireblade. Unfortunately most ABS Systems do not work that good..
dobi1983 5 days ago
@dobi1983 You are right but even the worst abs is better than nothing.There is no way for an average rider to brake better than that system.Whoever claims that is ...... Even professional riders have wheel locks and ''oh shit'' situations.
BKstrained 5 days ago
abs for people who don't know how to ride lol
2secondman 5 months ago
your a fucking idiot lol
222nightfox 4 months ago
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222nightfox 4 months ago
who puts there gloves on before there helmet?
IornDog91 6 months ago 2
The brake experts should take a lesson from the racer so he can do his job better and the other dude should take a lesson from both the brake tester and the racer and learn to ride!
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Madness990Sm 7 months ago
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achidoki21 7 months ago
@achidoki21 - yes, MJ rules, even beyond death, but you, my froind, totally suck.
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g1g4h3rtz 5 months ago
I can see the salt monster licking his lips at those goldy coloured sensors...
ginganz13 8 months ago
chk for 92m .. the bike is in top gear .. vs 75 m is in lower gear
59m .. the bike in semitop gear (4th or 5th) ... 42m in high gear
69m ..bike in same gear after 1 gear change to stop .. same thing with 61m
that is using engine breaking n abs braking ..
i ride a non abs bike .. n i use engine, front & rear brakes same time .. in an @most emergency .. front n rear n legs :P
soundsecure 8 months ago
lol how do u know whether abs malfunctions or not
o0jun0o 8 months ago
@o0jun0o ABS systems are self diagnostic. If there is a fault in the system the system will shut off and ABS light will illuminate to let you know it needs servicing.
jklsd 8 months ago
All sounds good accept what happens when the wire fails?
mbsnyderc 8 months ago
Interesting results, though it would need to be determined they were all doing exactly the same speed, weighed the same, and braked at exactly the same point for total accuracy.
Notice the racer that posted the shortest stopping distance with non-ABS at 59m, also made the biggest improvement with over 28% shorter. This would indicate he's simply applying the brakes harder than the other two riders. You'd expect the less able rider to improve the most, and the best rider, the least.
CodeTwo2 9 months ago
NO....THE IDIOT ARE YOU...BECAUSE YOU DON´T KNOW DRIVE BIKE..
magarupa111 9 months ago
Great Video. I rode a 2001 CBR600F4i and now a 2009 CBR600RR. Highly recommend ABS if you do a lot of commuting on both freeway and sidestreets. Especially in So. Cali, where there are a lot of drivers (cars, bikes, semi's, buses) on the streets no matter what day or what time. It does take away the gained riding experiences such as applying adequate brake pressure and having your wheels lock. So for new riders that have an abs bike, be careful riding your buddies gixxer, r1 or kawa.
c12ack 10 months ago
no you don t lose brakes,you only lose abs function..
djolepowertube 11 months ago
@djolepowertube he just said that there is no physical connection between the brake lever and the oil/piston, its all electronic. but considering car abs almost never fail, i would assume the same for bikes.
michaelxcx 11 months ago
@michaelxcx ok. i have abs failure on my car and i did not lose brakes i just lose abs function.. it would be apsourd to lose brakes if abs computer fails to work.. sory for bad english.. greetings from serbia
djolepowertube 11 months ago
@michaelxcx No, the demonstrator said the bike uses fully electronic control during emergency stops, not during normal riding. There are two valves that are controlled by the ECU. In the event of ECU failure, the brake levers are still linked by fluid to the calipers and function just like a non-ABS bike. You can learn more about Honda technology at world.honda.com.
cheezgrated 10 months ago
What if the computer fails and you lose the brakes?
lErssikeke 11 months ago
change tha cameraman...
exchange86 11 months ago
Im new to Honda, do they sell that black and grey fireblade in the U.S.?, because from what I see on the websites they only have black or red. Thanks.
apomiller12 1 year ago
@apomiller12 yes they do im looking at one on craigslist right now :)
lynette1953 11 months ago
does that mean you cant do burn outs? AWWWWWW!
lykenth08 1 year ago
'no longer a physical connection between leaver and caliper'
i dont know how happy i am about that.
crocie 1 year ago
I have the C-ABS version and I've completed just over 4400 miles on it in 4 months. The ABS system is amazing. Riding in the wet and slimy british winters are no problems when hard braking. In fact I can just now pull and forget about lock ups completely. Don't even need to use rear brake at all in the wet as the system will add rear brake for you. I highly recommend the ABS bike.
rhancill 1 year ago 2
The people talking tough about how they have the talent to ride without ABS blah blah... truth is if people don't need ABS, guess what, it wouldn't be invented. In a controlled condition, i'm sure there are people in the world that can match or beat the ABS's braking distance. But it's made for emergencies in the real world where shit comes at you when you least expect it and it's made so when you panic(and you will) you won't lock up the brakes.
op3l 1 year ago 2
@op3l I have to totally agree.. good point
g0fvt 3 months ago
I think that a fireblade is for experienced drivers only, they should be able to stop without abs ;)
DomZang 1 year ago
without reading all of that comments and with my bad english i would say that this test ist not ok, cause if it was a good test in my opinion everey rider has to break 5 times or more from 80 to 0 with the abs bike and then without abs. and then you take the middle values from the results. and woh says that they all 3 were driving exactly 80 in the hole 6 tests?? but i think that the test was not planed as such seriously.
misswatson17 1 year ago
Propio non riuscite a venderlo sto abs ve'??
ivanspeedtriple 1 year ago
jus wanted to know,does ABS brake do play an important role when it comes to emergency braking,do u think it is that important to have ABS on a sport bikes.please someone answer because i wanted go for a gsxr but unfortunately they are not ABS eqipped bikes.only HONDA offers ABS for fairning bikes.and do you think they can really prevent a far worse accident,whats ur opinions regarding this
franian77 1 year ago
@franian77 well, it depends on the rider.. an average rider are betta off with ABS since they r most likely to slam on the brakes in emergency not considering bout the road surface if it was wet or dry.. a pro wld b able to judge the amount of force they put on the brakes w/o locking it.. for me, i set my rear brakes pedals so its unlikely to lock my rear wheel (sometime it does). Make quick downshift a habit (if ur bike is equip wit slipper clutch) is the best way to prevent it from locking.
mojorossi 1 year ago
@franian77 but u need to half clutch wen u made a quick downshiftin if its not equip wit slipper clutch. btw i ride a K8 750. hard braking in the wet is still the scariest thing to do..
mojorossi 1 year ago
I have the 2009 CBR600RRABS. They are great to have in wet weather, just like a car, but I say f*ck the panic stop, I throttle through.
TJones701 1 year ago
Can someone explain how they get such difference in braking distance with the abs bike? Didnt they ride at the same speed? Are they complete morons?
phogelbice 1 year ago
@phogelbice Without ABS they have to carefully measure how hard to pull the brake lever / stamp on the lever to make sure the front wheel doesn't lock - which would in most cases lead to a crash if he doesn't release the brake immediately and thus sacrifices the front brake. It's not as grievous if the rear wheel locks as long as the direction is straight ahead - if the driver's just taking the turn the rear wheel will break out and a crash or brake release is the consequence.
Kendoka05 1 year ago
@Kendoka05 WITH ABS however, they can just slam the brakes without fear of crashing the bike due to locks. Also, a sliding, blocked wheel is less effective at reducing the speed than a still rolling one.
Kendoka05 1 year ago
@Kendoka05
What i ment was they have like 30 meters between them breaking with the abs bike.. But thinking about it they must have been doing it in different speeds.
phogelbice 1 year ago
@phogelbice ah, i see^^ well maybe they weren't really confident enough to go all in the first time. Even with ABS there is a difference between pulling the brakes quite hard and really hard.
Kendoka05 1 year ago
This is the most retarded video about motorbike ABS.In a top danger situation you will pull and press both brakes at full action.ABS wil save a lot of lives.I won`t buy a bike without ABS.Never ever
Gallone112 1 year ago
@Gallone112 thats very true man.ABS is mandatory for bikes
franian77 1 year ago
Man, it's always raining at MCN
protocol2048 1 year ago
@protocol2048 isn't that in the UK? it always rains there, nasty nasty weather I feel so bad for those poor poor brits, must suck driving in the rain, just like it sucks riding in the cold (alberta, Canada) :( sucky sucky
fcarabat 1 year ago
brembos are better than abs!!!
rama6maiden 1 year ago
@rama6maiden But if you had a Brembo abs system that would be even better again
TheDelianLeague 1 year ago
92m vs 75m (18,5% less)
59m vs 42m (28,8% less)
66m vs 61m (7,6% less)
So, if you buy the non-ABS version you are an idiot.
odracirseraoseia1999 1 year ago 63
@odracirseraoseia1999
if you have ABS - you dont make stoppy, stupid! :))
gotrevoga 1 year ago
@gotrevoga Hmm?
odracirseraoseia1999 1 year ago
@odracirseraoseia1999 well considering most ABS aren't put on the track i would say thats innaccurate. Your better of buying Non-ABS and putting traction control module on it. Yes this would be great for street purposes only.. nice to avoid accidents. But considering the weight of the ABS system it takes one of the lightest bikes in its class and makes it one of the heavier ones.
Royalty403 8 months ago
@odracirseraoseia1999
you are not neceseraly an idiot because on the non-abs it's all about the driver 92 vs 66 vs 59
and from 92 to 59 it's a big diference. my advice practice - practice....... braking.
gaby0i 7 months ago
@odracirseraoseia1999 ok the ONLY problem is in the weight.... But if you dont want the bike for a track USE its not an actual problem. I heard that BMW has an only 2kg ABS btw.... :)
nasLB 7 months ago
@odracirseraoseia1999 I purchased the non-ABS version, the most wrong choise in my life...
LongoGabriele 6 months ago 17
@LongoGabriele u did well....ABS is for pussy riders,real rider ride without all those fancy new aged electornic controls...thats where your skill is tested
cpartyReborn 6 months ago
@LongoGabriele why? did you crash or something ? as opposed to with abs, you wouldnt have had?
o0jun0o 2 weeks ago
@odracirseraoseia1999 When you are in a real life emergency situation, the ABS could be a HUGE differene, even if it is just 7% less (and that is for the professional driver).
The average driver would take a better benefit from the ABS.
csanctis 6 months ago
@odracirseraoseia1999 NON ABC are better if you like sliding like me.
HENZEK1 5 months ago
@odracirseraoseia1999 - First you should get on a bike and realize that stopping ONE CENTIMETER before hiting ANYTHING is PERFECT. Stoping 5-17m short of an obstacle is even better.
Especially if your a beginner and suffer from "targer/threat fixation" the ABS may save you ass/bike.
Stop writing on 'tube as a time-wasting method.... someone could actually believe the shit your writing.
g1g4h3rtz 5 months ago
@odracirseraoseia1999 Don't forget he does this for a living, so he knows how much to apply the brake. The average person does not
Hyeclasscomps 4 months ago
amateur video.
wesintx 1 year ago
I love the red white and blue paint job on that CBR, beautifull
buckwheat40 1 year ago 9
this bike is ugly as hell. it looks like a cicada
fatony26 1 year ago
@fatony26 It's colour sensitive, yes, but it doesn't look like a cicada at all.
odracirseraoseia1999 1 year ago
Tested the ABS for the first time @ Cadwell, wow! I am very pleased I chose the ABS version. Check out an old copy of MCN. Ron Haslam says you can brake in the apex using the ABS!
alrismorg 1 year ago
@TheM104, don't confuse being full on the brakes and turn to dodge an obstacle with applying full brakes while in the middle of a turn ;) I was referring to the first.
euheide 1 year ago
worth spending the money, could easily save your life!
aaronc608 1 year ago
The first ABS fitted to a motorcycle was BMW K series in fact I have a 1992 K75s with ABS. Fireblade was NOT the first in the world...Ajays. Fantavox.
ajays401 1 year ago
@ajays401 He said 1. super bike with abs.
acer1966 1 year ago
@ajays401 he said first Superbike with abs in the world. not the first bike wit abs
mojorossi 1 year ago
Lamaj96
If the rear locks in a corner your front wheel already has more grip and braking power and the abs will stop it locking up. Better off spinning the back and braking the front otherwise you'll high side.
Redoralive 1 year ago
So if the rear locks up the front brake is automatically applied?? That doesn't sound to good. Braking while in a turn is hazerdous. breaking with the front in a turn is almost suicide. Thefore locking up the rear while in a turn is almost suicide. If the rear locks up in a turn, i'd probably rather low side then have the front applied and, well, you know...
Lamaj96 1 year ago
It's a nice system and I would buy such bike. (I do have a CBR600F) however, look at that complicated intricate mombo-jombo. An electronic system to measure then commands an electric pump that actuate a hydraulic system bypassing the hydraulic manually actuated circuit. Sheesh... why not a fully electric system? Press the lever and say stop. The bike stops by an electric engine put in reverse... much as the electric scooters. Can't be more elegant, faster and safe.
zaelu 2 years ago
Because it's an supersportsbike... in an normal bike you could just stop but for a supersportsbike you wouldn't be able to drive with your bike on the track like you do it without abs.
risingchucky 2 years ago 4
Because when a fully electric system fails you have no brakes least on this system if the abs fails brakes work. Similar system on cars for many years
wheeliehome 2 years ago 2
thx for sharing!
5/5
theviolence667 2 years ago
These videos are still very clever, unique or original, so no matter if they have minimal flaws, they are very welcome :)
euheide 2 years ago 3
This video is great. The only thing I think could be better is the fact that it seems that the several riders apparently reach the mark at different speeds, and some brake at the line while others apparently brake later, but I'm not sure... But great video nonetheless. I wish I could mount ABS on my 08 fireblade but I've been told it's not possible.
euheide 2 years ago
3:39 (non-abs bike) did he use front brakes only?
euheide 2 years ago
mcn's camera men are terrible at changing focus..
MxGoliath 2 years ago
Its bs man..Cause they both stops at the same damn spot..Just depends on when you brake..
89powerup 2 years ago
Video's Alright Just Need Better Mic Set Ups
BoldMorin 2 years ago 3
u need a omnidirectional mic
BoldMorin 2 years ago
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on the abs blade is no full acceleration,my opinion
r3kin 2 years ago
you full of shit mate .... that professional from MCN was way over that racing guy so if they both slam on brakes with full power how come the MCN pro was 20 meters over the racing guy ? just because the MCN guy chickened out and only the racing pro hit the brakes with no brains as hard as he could, but yea he is full of theory how to do it .......
a6km 2 years ago
yp i thing the same
Burzibg 2 years ago
wao!wao!
MrHondax4 2 years ago
I love MCN , but these videos are very very poorly produced.
kirbienstien 2 years ago 70
there prolly not funded well, but its still nice to see guys doing them you know
musiclovr2 2 years ago 3
@kirbienstien
actually this video is pretty good....it's missing the usual wind noise..xD
203132 1 year ago
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well this is fake test ,the bikes obviously dont brake at the same time and some enter much faster.what kind of tst is it!I think betttr without abs and if is wet condition...THEN GO SLOW OR DONT TAKE THE BIKE !
massycori 2 years ago
are you dumb or something???? they arnt testing the brakes for people that ride in the wetness they did that cuz its slipperier and abs in the rain shouldnt skid cuz its wet and the normal non abs should skid in the rain by going full force but yea... thats why they did it cuz of the wet conditions they even say why its perfect in the beggining because you can test the abs bike to non abs bike more truely cuz of GRIP CONDITIONS ... and if you get caught in the rain or have to ride in it.......
zymuur 2 years ago
its not your choice to ride or not and going slow its the answer cuz what if your on a highway you cant ride 50 kph... you dumb ass and no one takes back roads AKA GRAVEL OR DIRT!!!!!!!
zymuur 2 years ago
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look dick head i didn t insult nobody like you did to me for free so i even dont want to spend time to discuss with you because i have to fuck your girlfriendnow.
FUCK YOU by the way
massycori 2 years ago
you dont know where i live so come and find me o ya also tell me were i live and all that and describe what my girlfriend looks like.... you need that info ill give her to you that means you get sloppy seconds and a loose vag you bitch
zymuur 2 years ago
the middle guy be slowing down this abs shit doesnt make one diffrent man thats the kind of dhit u use for the track
not the streets
MrDwayneg 2 years ago
I wonder if you can do endo's on the abs fireblade.
razer338 2 years ago
Stoppies...? And prolly not!
Stella8907 2 years ago
sorry I forgot stoppies are not the same thing, yeah I mean't stoppies, my bad lol..
ray1kzxr 2 years ago
You just said the same thing twice... but you said " Mean't " instead of ment... this time :S
naitzirc 2 years ago
abs rules
cambiljamaica 2 years ago 4
Good to know
SaberFTW 2 years ago
The ABS cannot be turned On and Off. Agree with masserby, the middle guy did slow down before while approaching the gates.
usart2008 2 years ago 3
ya he let off the throttle early
abluefuzz 2 years ago 2
lol bmw's also , not superbikes but, have abs
fireoil 2 years ago
abs
yes please
traction control too thanks!
this type of technology will allow anyone to ride harder and faster and that is a good thing, FACT!
henrymarkstewart10 2 years ago 7
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ABS on a super-sport bike??? no comment...
GernotDiver 2 years ago
You just commented.
littleguy136 2 years ago 5
little guy has a point
abluefuzz 2 years ago
Any abs system will only brake at it's best if you press full on the brakes. That's the only way you're going to get the shortest brake distance possible. But I admit I doubt I would have the balls to do that without some training first ;)
Neeves told earlier in other video that this abs system doesn't allow the bike to endo
euheide 2 years ago
In -theory-, no. If you manually manage to brake right under the skidding threshold, then you will have a shorter braking distance. The problem is, that this is incredibly hard to do. So, the computer oscillates the brakes from skidding to non skidding really quickly.
i hope i don't put myself off as a "youtube expert"
olsonr 2 years ago
I won't dispute that some riders will be able in a track for example and within reasonable stress conditions to beat the abs system, but the problem is, even if you have that amazing braking capability, it is very difficult for you to use it in a scenario where things go from perfectly safe to completely out of control in a split of a second, or in a wet road. Besides, Abs allows you to turn the bike while you're full on the brakes. And most important: even these excellent riders make mistakes.
euheide 2 years ago 41
Exactly haha I agree, man. It is a good thing, although it still has some quirks, like you said. It'll only get better with time too, so yea.
olsonr 2 years ago 2
@euheide i agree
bolzi2010 1 year ago
@bolzi2010 thanks! :)
euheide 1 year ago
@euheide You should not be full on brakes in the middle of a turn. ABS isn't meant to that. Read the specs. I only say this becuase you can't expect ABS to save the situation in limit situations.
TheM104 1 year ago
@TheM104 I actually didn't imply you could apply full brakes in the middle of a turn, but now that you mention that. Which turn? At what speed? Don't forget that when you apply strong braking in a turn, even if the ABS does it's job, you're not only braking but also disturbing the cornering stability and direction.
But even in those situations, a rider using ABS will always have a better chance
If, in any situation, ABS can't save the day, the possibility to do so without it is even less.. ;)
euheide 1 year ago
@TheM104 No one can expect ABS to do more than just prevent wheels from locking
euheide 1 year ago
@euheide : No, you cannot turn the bike out of trouble while the ABS is working. you just go straight or crash
Koener 1 year ago
@Koener the only thing that can stop you from turning the bike while the ABS is activated is the grip of the asphalt. If it has a high grip then it may be very hard because of the force of the braking itself against your capacity to turn, but if it's wet for example the bike won't stop abruptly even with the ABS and you can turn it to avoid crashing because the wheels are not locked
euheide 1 year ago
@Koener it depends on your ability of course
euheide 1 year ago
@euheide If you look at the video they did all their brake testing on the straight. If you slam the brakes on on an ABS machine when it is leant over hard, your tire may not lock up in the normal sense but it will still break lateral traction therefore still spill from under you. This test is very limited and I think more in depth testing in "real" riding conditions will prove if it works as well in all sceanarios. Don;t get me wrong I think all safety features should be considered - I ride ABS
markjrobbins 1 year ago
@markjrobbins if you have a point about the lateral traction but how do you know this wasn't taken into account when making this system. Remember that lateral traction loss also affects the wheel spin, which is how the system acts and it's probably enough for the system to block further braking.
But that's in the event of someone on the worse case scenario, which is completely leaned over at a considerable speed (to be at the limit of lateral traction) and a surprise.
euheide 1 year ago
@euheide you can breal lateral traction without wheel spin or lock-up. Ever seen a racer go past the limits of lateral traction when leant over too hard without even touching the brakes? They just spill off when the traction breaks and the wheel has not been stopped from spinning i.e: locked-up. You have extra forces at work when cornering which I don't think the ABS system can work around.
markjrobbins 1 year ago
@markjrobbins ... Anyway, it's still true that you can apply full brakes on event of a surprise and turn to avoid it, even if you have to relief the brakes momentarily to muscle the bike around. Not so without abs. I'm glad that we agree that this system is the way to go. If you have any confirmation or if you are really sure about that lateral traction impossibility in this ABS, please tell me. Thanks!
euheide 1 year ago
@euheide Not 100% sure, but I would place a bet that if you were leant over hard and slammed on the brakes, lateral traction would break and the bike would break from under you even if your wheels did not lock-up in the traditional sense. Braking in linear direction whilst upright is best case scenario which is what they tested. I am not privy to what was taken into account by designers, its just laws of phisics. Still better than nothing though.
markjrobbins 1 year ago
@markjrobbins I know what you're saying about breaking lateral traction without breaking, usually they loose the front if they go in too hot for a turn (including some front brake) or they loose the rear if they accelerate too hard while in that turn. But yeah. Yeah, in a situation like that (a limit or even racing situation) you either crash without even touching the brakes, or there's possibility you're referring to which is being on the very limit of grip (but still with grip) and then
euheide 1 year ago
@markjrobbins and then the use of the brakes braking that already very precarious grip. I actually believe in a possibility of the ABS being able to brake the bike without disrupting that balance by detecting any microscopic change in wheel spin and not letting you brake too much (there's always microscopic differences in speed when a tire is about to loose grip in whatever way because the road and the engine always stop supplying that coordinated speed. But you may probably be right :)
euheide 1 year ago
@markjrobbins what gives me hope in a situation like that is the fact that this ABS doesn't act like normal ABS (with those pulses). It's rather smooth. But I would never risk it, unless, of course someone would offer me a bike to test it lol
euheide 1 year ago
@euheide I agree - we need a test pilot! Any volunteers at MCN maybe?
markjrobbins 1 year ago
@markjrobbins heheh I would love to see that test in an MCN video!
euheide 1 year ago
@markjrobbins Gimme a Blade and a track and some new leathers when I'm done and I'll do it LOL!
markjrobbins 1 year ago
@euheide I mean, there's a possibility that the system isn't sensible enough not to brake that fine balance, or that the difference between wheel spin and engine speed in a situation like that isn't enough for the system to realize the precarious grip you're at
euheide 1 year ago
@euheide Agreed. ABS is really useful when e.g. it's wet and something happens that you need to stop in a hurry. Take it from one who has had occasion to wipe-out because of hard braking in the rain...
saladofpotatoes 1 year ago
@saladofpotatoes thanks dude! I can't believe that there are people who actually think this shouldn't be a part of any road bike ;)
Another thing I wish for (and that already exists in the beamer) is the traction control. Also very useful in the rain (those feared highsides and lowsides heheh) :)
euheide 1 year ago
I'm not selling this abs system but I really believe it's an important feature to have in a sportbike. It's just a shame it's so heavy, and also that there isn't a button to turn it off for track use :)
euheide 2 years ago 2
The middle guy Rhys DEFINITELY slowed on his second run before reaching the gate.
masserby 2 years ago 4
can u turn the abs on and off cause that would be good for track days because the abs stops the nose from diving as much and makes turning in slower
nachospole1 2 years ago
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please shut all the mouth! Yamaha R1 is the best bike in the world! It´s the fastest and it´s very cheap!
JAJAVITO1 2 years ago
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suzuki pv kills all
theblackbull55 2 years ago
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no hanks.....i dont like abs on bikes
LetSRedLiNe 2 years ago
How do you know if you haven't tried it?
glanzbo 2 years ago 3
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reasons why i dont like abs.......
1. Cant do stoppies
2. bike does not stop as fast
3. takes no skill to ride, any noob riding abs can stop without learning the full technique
4. Not fun at all....my opinion
LetSRedLiNe 2 years ago
HA HA cant do stoppies? last time i checked u dont lock up the front wheel when u do a stoppie? and obviously it does take skill to ride becasue everyone was getting different distances. Not fun at all?
TRUEDON4EVER 2 years ago 2
Excellent work with one BIG complaint: change your cameraman!!!!!!! Please!!!! I could do it better!!
juansolares1969 2 years ago 4
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is he gay? look how he stands at 2:48 hhahahha
VituMV 2 years ago
who cares
rassmith78 2 years ago
I don't think I could ever trust this style of ABS. There is no hydraulic/cable device connected to the brakes at all. What would you do if the ABS pump motor ever lost a ground or if the fuse blew to it?? That would mean total loss of brakes.
ProspeedCTR 2 years ago